An interesting comparison test. I was thinking as I watched, that in the G9 v S1r equation should be size, weight and cost? Then the G9 comes out remarkably well, was it's maybe only a third of the size, weight, and cost of the S1r, yet can deliver images that are very close to it's much bigger brother. The S1/1r are great cameras, just that the G9 is remarkable for it's size and cost, for most users.
I have a Lumix G80 and lumix G9 and I'm absolutely in love with this cameras. Specially with the G9. We use native lens Lumix (12-35 & 50-100 2,8) and also Viltrox M2 with Sigma Lens. For sure I'd love to have the S1.. But I think right now the problem is the native lens are so so expensive!! At least Prohibitive for me. Nice greeting from Costa del Sol in South of Spain...by the way here there are a big community of Finish people!!
I enjoy the high res mode on my G9. You can almost achieve a long exposure look if you're shooting something like a waterfall, even in bright sunlight. It's an interesting tool to have in your bag.
@@A1Bokeh mine goes in the 80mp range. It's not too bad, but needs to be pretty still. I don't find the files to bad to edit either, as was a compliant by some reviews
Yay to 4K! Biggest general downside to Panasonic high-res modes is the inability to use it with flash or studio lighting. This is very disappointing since it would otherwise be ideal for product photography and macro photography. Olympus E5 and E1 models *do* permit use of flash, and even have a mode that lets you set the timing of the multiple shots in the high-res mode to give time for strobes/flashes to recharge for the next shot.
The S1R hires mode with the Leica SL APO 50mm Sumicron delivers the best image quality I have ever seen out of a full frame camera. As a visual artists, I use this mode all the time, it’s indispensable.
Well, I'm an Olympus shooter with an Pen F, which also has this hires mode. And I used it for some occasions (outdoors and still life): Results are very impressive (as long as movement doesn't ruin it), but I also found that I just don't need it and that I'm content with 20 MP throughout the board. 80 MP hires does have a use for me, though: I use it for "scanning" film negatives, and there I want to get as much detail out of the film grain as I can (it improves the end result, even if I downsample later). Works like a charm.
@@mattisulanto Not only for old films - I'm still using a bunch of film cameras from 35 mm (this way I can afford two Leicas, a IIIf and an M6 ;-)) up to 6x9, and a fast 80 MP "scanner" is very nice to have alongside those cameras … ;-)
Looking at the comparison, the S1R seems to shine in not only the extra detail, but especially the contrast range, with deeper blacks and greater gradient spectrum which you can especially notice in the shadows and the car in the foreground.
I have to say that your 4K video looked fantastic. So much so that I tried to wipe marks off my screen only to realise they were on your wall. I don't know which lens you were using but the initial part of the video looked a little distorted. Viewing on a UHD monitor I could see little or no difference in detail between the two cameras. The russet-brown colour of the tree behind the car looked better from the G9 and the sky more a pleasing blue from the S1R, although its clouds had a blue tint and the G9 was probably more the authentic slightly brown haze.
Could have been interesting to have seen a max native resolution comparison as well without the up/downscaling. On slightly other note, I have seen quite a lot of your videos and I think this is the only video I have seen where a rather mundane motive has not popped and yes, you put in a warning about it. You make splendid photographies as a rule! Bravo! :-)
@@mattisulanto, I could have been clearer, I was thinking about a comparison of the max hi-res in each body, sort of how much detail will be "lost" in the G9 comparing to the "insanity" of the S1R max hi-res. :-)
Right in time! I was just thinking of this especially S1R. My Em1.2 does well with noctilucent clouds in Hires mode. S1R has much more MPixels from a bigger sensor and mode 2 which corrects for movement. One downside I found: just 1 second exposure. I feel Pansonic should make mode 2 available on the G9 too...Now I am going to watch your review.So my experience with the EM1.2 is that HiRes mode for landscape is very very usable. Even with a lot of wind as long as your main subject does not move. I shot noctilucent clouds last week (that was quite the display) in Hires with an extremely good lens (Sigma 56 mm f1.4) and the IQ is just stunning. COmpared to the single shot with such low light. Although in The Netherlands it won't get dark and we have no official night in the may june and part of july it is a good test voor noise. The Hires file is easily three stops better. What makes the Oly iteration stan out over the G9 is that it allows for 60 second exposures. So that is 480 s for the whole shot. In this way if you want long exposure all advantages of the larger sensored cams are gone. Because with these exposure anything moving will show up in both files.Next week I will do a side by side with my D800e on one tripod and the Em1.2 on the other. I expect these clouds, since they do move slowly are a good way to test these cams…The S1R, like I said, interests me because extensive reviews have shown that its mode 2 has no real issues with movement...
So there is a part 2 coming? Look at mirrorlesscomparisons and you'll see how well it works. mirrorlesscomparison.com/stories/panasonic-g9-vs-s1r-scotland/Keith cooper has a nice review also on Hires mode1 and 2. www.northlight-images.co.uk/using-the-panasonic-s1r/But I'll await your one. My tip would be to shoot noctilucent clouds (you have them for sure too in Helsinki) but you cannot plan on them. Otherwise something else where more is tested than just detail. Noise is another thing that is strongly affected. So why not shoot ISO3200 on both in a situation where you need something like that. I bet the HiRes shot will look like a 200-400ISO single shot. But who knows.Do you agree if mode 2 is as good as it seems to be, this should really be given to G9 too in an FW update?
Very nice comparison. Thank you! I haven't used hi res as I don't yet have a camera that supports it. But I continue to keep my eye on the G9. Perhaps some day I'll pull the trigger. So far I've been happy enough with my GX85, and have been focused on getting lenses before body upgrade. Cheers!
I'm happy with the G9's normal 20 MP resolution so have not used its high res mode. I am a little leery about the high res mode since any movement in the scene potentially can ruin the shot. Not sure why the average joe needs more than 20-24 MPs. Sure, comparing shots to higher res cameras will show less detail and dynamic range but who does that besides camera reviewers? I certainly see a case for professionals needing higher res cameras, especially when cropping. So the S1R would be great for that end. Great comparison!
Zero need to be leery since the single shot is captured too! So it is without risk although on the G9 I think you need to "tell" the cam you want the single shot raw too. I am an average Joe using the EM1.2 with a very similar HiRes mode. While twice the resolution is nice it is not the biggest gain. It is better colour, better Dyanmic range and the easiest thing to spot (often considered mFT achilles heal) is the noise. It gets three stops better. But thecombination is better than my D800e. Sure it is restricted due to movement (unlike S1R) but if there isn't too much in it the resulting file is visibly better than the single shot Really quite a difference. I use very sharp lenses for it like the 56 mm f1.4 Sigma, the 20 mm f1.7. But also the f2.8 zooms by Panny get you more detail. Not as much as the primes but still it is better. For some Reason the G9 has better output in Hires (in RAW) than the Em1.2 does.
You are so right! Most images people take are put on social media, and don't need more than 20mb. Also, for books and magazine ads 20mb still does the trick.
Very interesting comparison. I am probably leaning towards a Real World comparison to make decisions around the image / cost sacrifice I would need to make. It would be really interesting to compare Regular output JPEGs and Raw files from each camera. That way I could decide what way to go......spend more on a full frame or accept the image / weight / cost trade off. I think there would be many enthusiasts like me that don’t have the time, storage or computing power to do upscaling of high resolution files. Also I rarely use this feature and try wherever possible to get the best out of my camera & lens combo. Keep up the good work! Regards Tony from Melbourne Australia.
Great review and comparison of the 2 fine Lumix cameras. I am a M 4/3rds devotee. I always shot Nikon for many years. My last Nikon is the D810. I still have all my Nikon gear that I share with my son, who is a professional "videographer". I was very ineterested in your view and comparison of the S1 and the G9. I am curious how you made yur images larger too compare. Regardless, thank you again for your work and information. Great job! I will follow you on TH-cam from now on.
Hey Aengus. Check out the prices now. I also have the g81 but bought the G9 with an olympus lens for only 670 euros together. Nearly new. That's really cheap. The upgrade is really worth it. E.g. No crop at 4k filming and high resolution picture
Nice video. I should try a sunrise over our lake on the G9 in hires . Btw no Swiss plate for every camera? That is not the idea behind a quick release plate. ;)
Dynamic range and noise would be an interesting aspect to investigate, and may be of more practical relevance for many applications. In a low light scenario, and a fixed depth of field, the g9 will be operating at two stops lower iso than the s1r. How much difference does this make? In the high-res multi-exposure mode the noise and dynamic range of both cameras should improve. But by how much in practice? Perhaps some city night-scapes might be a good test?
Thanks for your comment. I'll probably do something like that, but I have to wait for a few more weeks, because during this time of the year we don't have proper night scapes. The daylight time is about 19h and the sun barely sets.
I sometimes used the Highres Mode together with the Pasasonic Leica 50-200 for Moon Shots. Normaly i am satisfied with the native 20MP resolution. I changed from Fullframe und APS-C to MFT. I am not disappointed up to now. Love your videos....keep on going.
@@mattisulanto , it makes more pixels available for the image of the Moon after cropping. For the Earth's only natural moon, Moon is a name; hence the M. Other planets' moons have distinctive names (like Europa) or code names.
@@michaels3003 Yes, I understand what the Hi-res is for, I just didn't think it would be useful for shooting the moon. But then again, I don't take moon photos anyway😀
@@mattisulanto , this is for Moon photos themselves. Without a drastic cropping, the captured Moon's image is very, very small even with a long focal length. I tried 300 mm (600 mm equivalent). There were not many pixels left after the cropping.
Does the G9 use mechanical or electronic shutter to create the hi res 80mp photo? As I wouldn’t want to wear out the shutter to quickly etc . Love this video btw 👍
thanks for the subtitles .. I think a common glass would be more judicious, but I know you can not ... G9 will be my camera after selling my G85 ... but I do not know how G9 really behaves with high contrast, you can lift shadows without so much noise with G9? ...Thank you for your work
I cannot comment on the G85, but the G9 is much better than the G7 when dealing with shadows. I would assume it is somewhat better at it than what you currently have? I have found my custom buttons to be the real bonus, you can choice a button to turn off and on peaking, mechanical to electronic (silent) shutter, bracketing (exposure, focus or similar). It speeds up the process and makes it flow better. When I first got it I was overwhelmed by the button system, but now I get disappointed with cameras offering less. I do still use my older G7 (as it is a back-up camera and I need to stay familiar with it), but it is never such a fluid process as with the G9 (even if the results are still acceptable). Sorry I couldn't answer the query directly, maybe someone who uses you camera and the G9 can answer it directly?
How come Santos and everyone commented missed the moire artifact of the S1r on the second comparison? It is obvious that false color shown on upscaled photo of the building taken on the S1r but the hi-res G9 is free from the moire false color. Hi-Rez mode is more than hi-res. Each pixel has complete sample of red, green and blue sub pixels. It beats all the Bayer interpolation sensors as free of moire artifact. And the comparison showed the difference but no one noticed! 😞
I noticed it in the video, but maybe it CA from the lens, or due to YT video compression.-BTW I appreciate the 4k video on my big 4k monitor.I think in this case showing the images a 400% would help a lot to judge the quality better.
@@ookiemand No, it was not a CA problem. There were 2 ways CA differs from moire. First, for CA, it would have shown green or purple halo on every tile. However, it was blue on some rows and red on others. It is exactly a moire problem. Secondly, for CA, false colors would have been shown on the hi-res shot of the S1r as well since the CA is characteristic of the lens, not the sensor. However, the false vanish on the hi-res mode of S1r. So, the false color has nothing to do with CA.
You don't mention the software you used for upsizing any of the files. There are definite differences in quality of upsizing software. Could you please let us know what. you used? Thanks for a great video.
I exported from Lightroom. Another software may give better results, but I don't think that will change the outcome. But I should have mentioned what I used. Thanks for your comment.
I have G9 with Pana Leica 15mm 1.7, and the Lumix 12-60. I also have the Sony a7r2 with the 24-105 f4. For my use the Sony seems to print out better with my Canon Pixma Pro 100 printer. Could be me because I use zero cost software and refrain from using RAW files. I shoot the G9 to produce a regular jpg as well as the high res jpg. Often the intermediate 40mp jpg file looks better than the 80mp file in my useage. Many times the 80mp file has strange colors when compared to the std 20mp jpg.
Hi. I am subscribed and enjoy and appreciate your videos. Thank you for this comparison. I am watching this on my Apple 5K monitor, so I am wondering if I will see as much a difference on my monitor for the 100MP photos as when the photos are enlarged and printed. I need help understanding one thing in the comparison. What is "up sampling". I have a G9 and I am still learning how to use it. Have not tried out the hi-res mode yet. I learned when birding most of the difference between a very clear resolution shot or not is the distance I am from the bird combined with the light I have provided for me by Mother Nature (along with getting my settings right). Early evening light works best. Do you think close range photos would make a difference in the comparison?
I rarely need to go above 20mp on my G9. I have test shot a few hi res shots, but mainly I stick to 20mp as I get so much more control. It was an interesting comparison even if I have no interest in moving to full frame. I might have missed it, but a look at the new 10-25mm would be interesting?
I have use high resolution on both. I have not compared image quality, I don't see its relevance. I also use 50 megapixels high resolution on my OM-D E-M1x. I use high resolution to provide flexibility in post production. I can, and do, frame a scene and shoot it in high resolution. If 20 megapixels is enough, and there's enough fully professional 20 megapixels cameras around 20 megapixels to say it is, I have enormous flexibility in choosing parts of the full capture as separate photos in their own right.
I want to see a live video shot between these cameras in low light or night shooting. Something like people walking the park or a dance / music performance.
Great video thanks... I do love my G9 and I was thinking of going full frame but the G9 is so versatile, it just doesn't make sense for me to FF. Has anyone done a comparison between the G9 and the Olympus OM-D E 1M MK2 sensor resolution using the same lens?
Thanks. The G9 is a very versatile camera and I love mine as well. I think there are many comparisons between the G9 and M1 MK2, but I haven't done one.
Hi. I did not. From what I gathered the G9 is sharper right out of the cam. The 80MP file is also the JPG I believe. But a downside to me is that its only 1 second exposure per shot max in Hires mode so 8 seconds in total. I find that a serious limit.
Great review - I rang the bell and I subscribed - your work deserve it - And I appreciate the fact that the g9 is similar if not better than S1 and it cost 4 time less . we would appreciate if you living in Finland will make portraits to boys and girls models with red hair and freckles on the face and make the same test with G9 and S1 - it is easier to understand the power of a camera with portrait test .I watch very often Adorama photograpers making test with cameras and they are helped with the presence for their test by the presence of beautiful model male or female and it works and this photographer simply tell the name of the male or femal model to follow them on istagram and that's it writing in overlay and saying the instagram name of the model or model- it will be easier to find a beautiful face to collaborate with if they will be aware to grow they followers on instagram - and You Living in Finland you have the most beautifull faces in the world available also put theyr instagram link on the description so it will be clickable and they will be very very happy - so think about it - the most important goals for actors and models is to grow followers on instagram and by your help with your photograpy skill they will collaborate free with you I'm sure because I make the same here in italy with actors and actress and they have great movies opportunity and at the same time we make better more interesting videos when we have the presence of a beautiful face in front of the lens .
I think it's bit large for my taste, but If you like or need all in one camera with a long telephoto lens, I think it's a great solution. I once recommended it for a friend who was looking for a travel camera.
@sulantoblog Yes, that would be very helpful in my decision making. I currently have a GX9. Looking for a video centric complement. If there are major differences in video quality between the G9 and S1R, that could sway my decision. A lot of comparisons on TH-cam focus on the video comparison between the G9 and S1. Thanks.
@@11folders The S1R is a decent video camera, but the S1 is the video centric option and you should consider that if you'd like a full frame. However, if you already have MFT lenses, the G9 would make a lot of sense and it's a really good video camera after the 2.0 FW update.
6:57 Why? The only results that matter are those you would publish, and the only medium at all demanding is print. For pictures on a 4K screen, the GH5s is up to the task.
Would you like to see 2-5 min exposures shot on the S1R? Is that what you are asking? That would be hard to do right now without an ND filter, at least outside, because here in the North it really doesn't get dark at all😀 Maybe I'll do something like that in August, when we have dark evenings again.
Photography is not pixel peeping. Digital cameras have provided professional results since they had 6mp. It's amateurs who demand ever more pixels, resulting in bigger cameras and lens size. The S1/H is a great camera but with a lens it's reaching studio proportions. I own a full frame Canon but take the Panasonic M43 9 times out of 10.
Because you are comparing resolution between 2 cameras. It is difficult to see the difference since you will not crop in tight. That was the purpose of this video wasn’t it? If you want to call it pixel peeping so be it.
@@rogerbrown7659 It depends what the camera is being used for. Surveillance, medical and astronomy may require forensic levels of detail. For commercial and amateur use it's about how well a camera performs for its chosen application, print, on-line, etc.
An interesting comparison test. I was thinking as I watched, that in the G9 v S1r equation should be size, weight and cost?
Then the G9 comes out remarkably well, was it's maybe only a third of the size, weight, and cost of the S1r, yet can deliver images that are very close to it's much bigger brother.
The S1/1r are great cameras, just that the G9 is remarkable for it's size and cost, for most users.
I have a Lumix G80 and lumix G9 and I'm absolutely in love with this cameras. Specially with the G9. We use native lens Lumix (12-35 & 50-100 2,8) and also Viltrox M2 with Sigma Lens.
For sure I'd love to have the S1.. But I think right now the problem is the native lens are so so expensive!! At least Prohibitive for me.
Nice greeting from Costa del Sol in South of Spain...by the way here there are a big community of Finish people!!
Thanks for your comment. Yes. I know there is a Finnish community in Costa Del Sol. Maybe I should consider that too for the winter😀
I enjoy the high res mode on my G9. You can almost achieve a long exposure look if you're shooting something like a waterfall, even in bright sunlight. It's an interesting tool to have in your bag.
Have you done the 41mp I read some comments sayin it’s really legit
@@A1Bokeh mine goes in the 80mp range. It's not too bad, but needs to be pretty still. I don't find the files to bad to edit either, as was a compliant by some reviews
Yay to 4K!
Biggest general downside to Panasonic high-res modes is the inability to use it with flash or studio lighting. This is very disappointing since it would otherwise be ideal for product photography and macro photography. Olympus E5 and E1 models *do* permit use of flash, and even have a mode that lets you set the timing of the multiple shots in the high-res mode to give time for strobes/flashes to recharge for the next shot.
The S1R hires mode with the Leica SL APO 50mm Sumicron delivers the best image quality I have ever seen out of a full frame camera. As a visual artists, I use this mode all the time, it’s indispensable.
Thanks for sharing. The S1R delivers and the hires mode is very good.
Well, I'm an Olympus shooter with an Pen F, which also has this hires mode. And I used it for some occasions (outdoors and still life): Results are very impressive (as long as movement doesn't ruin it), but I also found that I just don't need it and that I'm content with 20 MP throughout the board. 80 MP hires does have a use for me, though: I use it for "scanning" film negatives, and there I want to get as much detail out of the film grain as I can (it improves the end result, even if I downsample later). Works like a charm.
Good tip for digitizing old films. Thanks!
@@mattisulanto Not only for old films - I'm still using a bunch of film cameras from 35 mm (this way I can afford two Leicas, a IIIf and an M6 ;-)) up to 6x9, and a fast 80 MP "scanner" is very nice to have alongside those cameras … ;-)
The G9 is a fantastic Camera indeed! But I’m tending to the EM1 mark iii. I really enjoy the smaller body, 7 stops ibis, ND, highRes handheld, etc...
Thanks, Matti. Good comparison.
Thanks, Rob.
Looking at the comparison, the S1R seems to shine in not only the extra detail, but especially the contrast range, with deeper blacks and greater gradient spectrum which you can especially notice in the shadows and the car in the foreground.
I have to say that your 4K video looked fantastic. So much so that I tried to wipe marks off my screen only to realise they were on your wall. I don't know which lens you were using but the initial part of the video looked a little distorted.
Viewing on a UHD monitor I could see little or no difference in detail between the two cameras. The russet-brown colour of the tree behind the car looked better from the G9 and the sky more a pleasing blue from the S1R, although its clouds had a blue tint and the G9 was probably more the authentic slightly brown haze.
Thank you.
Could have been interesting to have seen a max native resolution comparison as well without the up/downscaling. On slightly other note, I have seen quite a lot of your videos and I think this is the only video I have seen where a rather mundane motive has not popped and yes, you put in a warning about it. You make splendid photographies as a rule! Bravo! :-)
Thanks. The video is long enough as it is already, so I was only comparing hires.
@@mattisulanto, I could have been clearer, I was thinking about a comparison of the max hi-res in each body, sort of how much detail will be "lost" in the G9 comparing to the "insanity" of the S1R max hi-res. :-)
@@JensMHA Didn't I compare that? I have to watch the video again😀
@@mattisulanto Ehrm, I could have missed it. Watched it rather late last night. I`ll give another go. :O
Right in time! I was just thinking of this especially S1R. My Em1.2 does well with noctilucent clouds in Hires mode. S1R has much more MPixels from a bigger sensor and mode 2 which corrects for movement. One downside I found: just 1 second exposure. I feel Pansonic should make mode 2 available on the G9 too...Now I am going to watch your review.So my experience with the EM1.2 is that HiRes mode for landscape is very very usable. Even with a lot of wind as long as your main subject does not move. I shot noctilucent clouds last week (that was quite the display) in Hires with an extremely good lens (Sigma 56 mm f1.4) and the IQ is just stunning. COmpared to the single shot with such low light. Although in The Netherlands it won't get dark and we have no official night in the may june and part of july it is a good test voor noise. The Hires file is easily three stops better. What makes the Oly iteration stan out over the G9 is that it allows for 60 second exposures. So that is 480 s for the whole shot. In this way if you want long exposure all advantages of the larger sensored cams are gone. Because with these exposure anything moving will show up in both files.Next week I will do a side by side with my D800e on one tripod and the Em1.2 on the other. I expect these clouds, since they do move slowly are a good way to test these cams…The S1R, like I said, interests me because extensive reviews have shown that its mode 2 has no real issues with movement...
Thanks for the comment. I still have to test the mode 2 and see how good it is.
So there is a part 2 coming? Look at mirrorlesscomparisons and you'll see how well it works. mirrorlesscomparison.com/stories/panasonic-g9-vs-s1r-scotland/Keith cooper has a nice review also on Hires mode1 and 2. www.northlight-images.co.uk/using-the-panasonic-s1r/But I'll await your one. My tip would be to shoot noctilucent clouds (you have them for sure too in Helsinki) but you cannot plan on them. Otherwise something else where more is tested than just detail. Noise is another thing that is strongly affected. So why not shoot ISO3200 on both in a situation where you need something like that. I bet the HiRes shot will look like a 200-400ISO single shot. But who knows.Do you agree if mode 2 is as good as it seems to be, this should really be given to G9 too in an FW update?
Great post. Keep making 4K videos. So much nicer to view. Thanks!
Thank you.
Very nice comparison. Thank you! I haven't used hi res as I don't yet have a camera that supports it. But I continue to keep my eye on the G9. Perhaps some day I'll pull the trigger. So far I've been happy enough with my GX85, and have been focused on getting lenses before body upgrade. Cheers!
Thanks! The G9 is at a very nice price point right now.
I'm happy with the G9's normal 20 MP resolution so have not used its high res mode. I am a little leery about the high res mode since any movement in the scene potentially can ruin the shot. Not sure why the average joe needs more than 20-24 MPs. Sure, comparing shots to higher res cameras will show less detail and dynamic range but who does that besides camera reviewers? I certainly see a case for professionals needing higher res cameras, especially when cropping. So the S1R would be great for that end. Great comparison!
Thanks for the comment. Most of the time we only shoot with one camera, so in that sense any comparison is senseless.
Zero need to be leery since the single shot is captured too! So it is without risk although on the G9 I think you need to "tell" the cam you want the single shot raw too. I am an average Joe using the EM1.2 with a very similar HiRes mode. While twice the resolution is nice it is not the biggest gain. It is better colour, better Dyanmic range and the easiest thing to spot (often considered mFT achilles heal) is the noise. It gets three stops better. But thecombination is better than my D800e. Sure it is restricted due to movement (unlike S1R) but if there isn't too much in it the resulting file is visibly better than the single shot Really quite a difference. I use very sharp lenses for it like the 56 mm f1.4 Sigma, the 20 mm f1.7. But also the f2.8 zooms by Panny get you more detail. Not as much as the primes but still it is better. For some Reason the G9 has better output in Hires (in RAW) than the Em1.2 does.
On the G9 you can turn the normal RAW on/off and it's true, that for some reason the G9 hires is better than Oly EM1mk2.
You are so right! Most images people take are put on social media, and don't need more than 20mb. Also, for books and magazine ads 20mb still does the trick.
Very interesting comparison.
I am probably leaning towards a Real World comparison to make decisions around the image / cost sacrifice I would need to make.
It would be really interesting to compare Regular output JPEGs and Raw files from each camera.
That way I could decide what way to go......spend more on a full frame or accept the image / weight / cost trade off.
I think there would be many enthusiasts like me that don’t have the time, storage or computing power to do upscaling of high resolution files.
Also I rarely use this feature and try wherever possible to get the best out of my camera & lens combo.
Keep up the good work!
Regards
Tony from Melbourne Australia.
Thanks, Tony. Australia is one my favorite places to visit, been there four times.
Great review and comparison of the 2 fine Lumix cameras. I am a M 4/3rds devotee. I always shot Nikon for many years. My last Nikon is the D810. I still have all my Nikon gear that I share with my son, who is a professional "videographer". I was very ineterested in your view and comparison of the S1 and the G9. I am curious how you made yur images larger too compare. Regardless, thank you again for your work and information. Great job! I will follow you on TH-cam from now on.
Thank you. I just exported from Lightroom.
Interesting, but I cannot afford either camera -- much less both!!! I make do with my G85 and have fun -- for right now that satisfies me!
Hey Aengus. Check out the prices now. I also have the g81 but bought the G9 with an olympus lens for only 670 euros together. Nearly new. That's really cheap. The upgrade is really worth it. E.g. No crop at 4k filming and high resolution picture
Nice video. I should try a sunrise over our lake on the G9 in hires . Btw no Swiss plate for every camera? That is not the idea behind a quick release plate. ;)
Thanks! I have since ordered more plates, but I still need at least one more. Too many cameras😅
a valuable comparison! thx.
Thanks!
Dynamic range and noise would be an interesting aspect to investigate, and may be of more practical relevance for many applications. In a low light scenario, and a fixed depth of field, the g9 will be operating at two stops lower iso than the s1r. How much difference does this make? In the high-res multi-exposure mode the noise and dynamic range of both cameras should improve. But by how much in practice? Perhaps some city night-scapes might be a good test?
Thanks for your comment. I'll probably do something like that, but I have to wait for a few more weeks, because during this time of the year we don't have proper night scapes. The daylight time is about 19h and the sun barely sets.
Nice, I’m considering the G9 with the same 12-60 f2.8-4 lens. Found a slightly used kit for $1500 US
Thanks! Looks like a decent price for the kit.
I sometimes used the Highres Mode together with the Pasasonic Leica 50-200 for Moon Shots.
Normaly i am satisfied with the native 20MP resolution.
I changed from Fullframe und APS-C to MFT. I am not disappointed up to now.
Love your videos....keep on going.
Thank you. I've never heard someone using the Hi-res for the moon😀
@@mattisulanto , it makes more pixels available for the image of the Moon after cropping. For the Earth's only natural moon, Moon is a name; hence the M. Other planets' moons have distinctive names (like Europa) or code names.
Harry Bear, excellent idea for the Moon photos.
@@michaels3003 Yes, I understand what the Hi-res is for, I just didn't think it would be useful for shooting the moon. But then again, I don't take moon photos anyway😀
@@mattisulanto , this is for Moon photos themselves. Without a drastic cropping, the captured Moon's image is very, very small even with a long focal length. I tried 300 mm (600 mm equivalent). There were not many pixels left after the cropping.
Does the G9 use mechanical or electronic shutter to create the hi res 80mp photo? As I wouldn’t want to wear out the shutter to quickly etc . Love this video btw 👍
Thanks. Electronic shutter.
thanks for the subtitles .. I think a common glass would be more judicious, but I know you can not ... G9 will be my camera after selling my G85 ... but I do not know how G9 really behaves with high contrast, you can lift shadows without so much noise with G9? ...Thank you for your work
Thanks for the comment.
I cannot comment on the G85, but the G9 is much better than the G7 when dealing with shadows. I would assume it is somewhat better at it than what you currently have? I have found my custom buttons to be the real bonus, you can choice a button to turn off and on peaking, mechanical to electronic (silent) shutter, bracketing (exposure, focus or similar). It speeds up the process and makes it flow better. When I first got it I was overwhelmed by the button system, but now I get disappointed with cameras offering less. I do still use my older G7 (as it is a back-up camera and I need to stay familiar with it), but it is never such a fluid process as with the G9 (even if the results are still acceptable). Sorry I couldn't answer the query directly, maybe someone who uses you camera and the G9 can answer it directly?
How come Santos and everyone commented missed the moire artifact of the S1r on the second comparison? It is obvious that false color shown on upscaled photo of the building taken on the S1r but the hi-res G9 is free from the moire false color.
Hi-Rez mode is more than hi-res. Each pixel has complete sample of red, green and blue sub pixels. It beats all the Bayer interpolation sensors as free of moire artifact. And the comparison showed the difference but no one noticed! 😞
I noticed it in the video, but maybe it CA from the lens, or due to YT video compression.-BTW I appreciate the 4k video on my big 4k monitor.I think in this case showing the images a 400% would help a lot to judge the quality better.
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No, it was not a CA problem. There were 2 ways CA differs from moire.
First, for CA, it would have shown green or purple halo on every tile. However, it was blue on some rows and red on others. It is exactly a moire problem.
Secondly, for CA, false colors would have been shown on the hi-res shot of the S1r as well since the CA is characteristic of the lens, not the sensor. However, the false vanish on the hi-res mode of S1r. So, the false color has nothing to do with CA.
You don't mention the software you used for upsizing any of the files. There are definite differences in quality of upsizing software. Could you please let us know what. you used? Thanks for a great video.
I exported from Lightroom. Another software may give better results, but I don't think that will change the outcome. But I should have mentioned what I used. Thanks for your comment.
I have G9 with Pana Leica 15mm 1.7, and the Lumix 12-60. I also have the Sony a7r2 with the 24-105 f4. For my use the Sony seems to print out better with my Canon Pixma Pro 100 printer. Could be me because I use zero cost software and refrain from using RAW files. I shoot the G9 to produce a regular jpg as well as the high res jpg. Often the intermediate 40mp jpg file looks better than the 80mp file in my useage. Many times the 80mp file has strange colors when compared to the std 20mp jpg.
Thanks for sharing.
4k yes please
Great video! Yes for 4K!
Tell me please the Benq model! Thanks for all!
Thanks. My monitor is the SW271.
Hi. I am subscribed and enjoy and appreciate your videos. Thank you for this comparison. I am watching this on my Apple 5K monitor, so I am wondering if I will see as much a difference on my monitor for the 100MP photos as when the photos are enlarged and printed. I need help understanding one thing in the comparison. What is "up sampling". I have a G9 and I am still learning how to use it. Have not tried out the hi-res mode yet. I learned when birding most of the difference between a very clear resolution shot or not is the distance I am from the bird combined with the light I have provided for me by Mother Nature (along with getting my settings right). Early evening light works best. Do you think close range photos would make a difference in the comparison?
Thanks. By upsampling I mean enlarging the image, for example from 10Mp to 20 Mp in Photoshop.
Hi! Thank you for your videos!
Have you compared images in jpeg or raw? G9 shoots hires with raw files support as I know.
Thanks for your comment. These were RAW.
I rarely need to go above 20mp on my G9. I have test shot a few hi res shots, but mainly I stick to 20mp as I get so much more control.
It was an interesting comparison even if I have no interest in moving to full frame.
I might have missed it, but a look at the new 10-25mm would be interesting?
I hope I can review the new 10-25mm zoom at some point, it's an interesting lens.
I have use high resolution on both. I have not compared image quality, I don't see its relevance. I also use 50 megapixels high resolution on my OM-D E-M1x.
I use high resolution to provide flexibility in post production. I can, and do, frame a scene and shoot it in high resolution. If 20 megapixels is enough, and there's enough fully professional 20 megapixels cameras around 20 megapixels to say it is, I have enormous flexibility in choosing parts of the full capture as separate photos in their own right.
I want to see a live video shot between these cameras in low light or night shooting. Something like people walking the park or a dance / music performance.
Right now it's not possible over here, because we don't have proper night. We are so far North that the sun barely sets😀
Great video thanks... I do love my G9 and I was thinking of going full frame but the G9 is so versatile, it just doesn't make sense for me to FF. Has anyone done a comparison between the G9 and the Olympus OM-D E 1M MK2 sensor resolution using the same lens?
Thanks. The G9 is a very versatile camera and I love mine as well. I think there are many comparisons between the G9 and M1 MK2, but I haven't done one.
Hi. I did not. From what I gathered the G9 is sharper right out of the cam. The 80MP file is also the JPG I believe. But a downside to me is that its only 1 second exposure per shot max in Hires mode so 8 seconds in total. I find that a serious limit.
mirrorlesscomparison.com/panasonic-vs-olympus/g9-vs-em1-mark-ii/Nothing better out there afaik. And it is fantastic.
Is the S1R worth paying 3 times the price of the G9 without fully articulated screen and contrast based focus and no face detect , I dont think so.
Thanks for your comment. Camera choice is a personal matter, of course. The AF works very well and has face detect, by the way.
@@mattisulanto I will wait for for the next model then may consider buying.
Matti I decided to purchase a G95 instead of the G85 & wanted to ask if you have had any experience with the G9 native vs high res mode? Thanks,
Yes, I have tried it a few times and it gives clearly more details and resolution, but if there is movement in the scene, it can be a bit challenging.
Great review - I rang the bell and I subscribed - your work deserve it - And I appreciate the fact that the g9 is similar if not better than S1 and it cost 4 time less . we would appreciate if you living in Finland will make portraits to boys and girls models with red hair and freckles on the face and make the same test with G9 and S1 - it is easier to understand the power of a camera with portrait test .I watch very often Adorama photograpers making test with cameras and they are helped with the presence for their test by the presence of beautiful model male or female and it works and this photographer simply tell the name of the male or femal model to follow them on istagram and that's it writing in overlay and saying the instagram name of the model or model- it will be easier to find a beautiful face to collaborate with if they will be aware to grow they followers on instagram - and You Living in Finland you have the most beautifull faces in the world available also put theyr instagram link on the description so it will be clickable and they will be very very happy - so think about it - the most important goals for actors and models is to grow followers on instagram and by your help with your photograpy skill they will collaborate free with you I'm sure because I make the same here in italy with actors and actress and they have great movies opportunity and at the same time we make better more interesting videos when we have the presence of a beautiful face in front of the lens .
Thanks for your comment and the tips.
The trouble with high resolution and up sample is the lens sharpness doesn't cope.
Un petit sous titrage en Français, ça serait super 😉👍
I'd like that too. I only need someone who can translate from English to French😀
Well done
Hi Matti, what do you think of Panasonic Lumix DMC-FZ1000? What is its class? When or in what situations it may be an optimal solution?
I think it's bit large for my taste, but If you like or need all in one camera with a long telephoto lens, I think it's a great solution. I once recommended it for a friend who was looking for a travel camera.
@@mattisulanto Thanks for your prompt reply!
@sulantobog Can you do a video comparison with the latest firmware updates?
Comparing these two cameras?
@sulantoblog Yes, that would be very helpful in my decision making. I currently have a GX9. Looking for a video centric complement. If there are major differences in video quality between the G9 and S1R, that could sway my decision. A lot of comparisons on TH-cam focus on the video comparison between the G9 and S1. Thanks.
@@11folders The S1R is a decent video camera, but the S1 is the video centric option and you should consider that if you'd like a full frame. However, if you already have MFT lenses, the G9 would make a lot of sense and it's a really good video camera after the 2.0 FW update.
@sulantoblog Thanks for the feedback. Your videos are great!
6:57 Why? The only results that matter are those you would publish, and the only medium at all demanding is print. For pictures on a 4K screen, the GH5s is up to the task.
From that point of view a good phone camera is enough.
@@mattisulanto For some, it is.
@@oneeyedphotographer For many indeed.
Can you explain and show the results of photos with a 2 - a 5 - minute exposure with the Panasonic S1R
Would you like to see 2-5 min exposures shot on the S1R? Is that what you are asking? That would be hard to do right now without an ND filter, at least outside, because here in the North it really doesn't get dark at all😀 Maybe I'll do something like that in August, when we have dark evenings again.
sulantoblog Yes I like that kind of photo and I'm looking for a new camera that is why
I've never used the hi-res mode on my E-M1 II because I've never seen a reason to. The normal 20MP IQ is more than adequate.
When you are comparing resolution and detail why not crop in at 300 percent? 100 percent is not enough.
Why 100% is not enough and why 300% is?
Photography is not pixel peeping. Digital cameras have provided professional results since they had 6mp. It's amateurs who demand ever more pixels, resulting in bigger cameras and lens size. The S1/H is a great camera but with a lens it's reaching studio proportions. I own a full frame Canon but take the Panasonic M43 9 times out of 10.
Because you are comparing resolution between 2 cameras. It is difficult to see the difference since you will not crop in tight. That was the purpose of this video wasn’t it? If you want to call it pixel peeping so be it.
@@rogerbrown7659 Ok. For me 100% is enough.
@@rogerbrown7659 It depends what the camera is being used for. Surveillance, medical and astronomy may require forensic levels of detail. For commercial and amateur use it's about how well a camera performs for its chosen application, print, on-line, etc.
I cant afford either but still pretty fun :)
Thank you!
Laughs with a fz82 camera haha
Nothing wrong with an fz82! I have one and a G85 and I'm always surprised how good the fz82 looks!
4k looks pretty good, but do I really need it for this type of content. I'd say no.
Thanks for your input. I've moved to 4k, but you can always choose a lower resolution, if you wish.
@@mattisulanto Of course. I thought I could save you some work :)
@@hermannschmidt9788 What a nice thought, thanks, but it's not much more work😀
Largely pointless exercise if you're not going to zoom into the the images when making a comparison between the cameras
Would you please watch the video before commenting, because otherwise your comment is kind of pointless. Thank you.