Everyone gets real nervous when there's a crash over Raidillion , firstly because someone could be injured and secondly because it's another nail in the coffin for that sector.
I do think they need to redesign a bigger run off to the right at the top of the hill. Crashed cars running back onto the track appears to be a big issue.
I’d rather spa get dropped than they redesign the track in any way shape or form. And I want spa on the calendar Also, this is not on the corner layout at all but on the barrier choice. That section of track does NOT need tire barriers but safer barriers which are much better suited for higher speed impacts, such as before the kink entering Kemmel Straight.
Totally agree. I love racing but there are so many crashes. Tamburello pre-1994 wasn't nearly as dangerous as Radillon and that was altered after Senna.
It was the first warning in this year, today in same place van't Hoff died, but in much worse conditions comparing to this. Now I have a fear to watch any race on Spa seriously... R.I.P. 😔
FIA: "We decided to install sausage curbs at Raidillon de l'Eau Rouge in order to prevent cars ricocheting back to the track by launching them at the fence."
I think the armco barrier on the right side coming from radillion is still too close to the track. Not enough run of room for going off at top speed. Once again the car bounced back to the track just like Hubert did. This guy is lucky.
For those criticising the safety of Raidillon, the changes made to the barrier has made the corner A LOT safer. See the Cadillac crash in WEC. In previous years that car would've bounced back onto the track but it was contained in the run off area. That wall was the real danger. Also we have to remember the Hubert crash was not because he bounced off the track, his car was contained in the run off, but debris from yes, a crash into the barrier on the left, the barrier that has been changed, sent Correa into Hubert's car. IMO they should also move this barrier back (I think it is doable even with the drop) but the most dangerous part of the corner has been made safer and it has made a lot of difference already preventing what would've been bad crashes...
@@VladTheSour I can explain today. For me what happened today was not wholly due to the track. It wasn't a case of a driver bouncing off the barrier and being impacted. It was a case of a driver most likely losing it all on his own in wet conditions (the footage doesnt make it clear but it seems thats what happened) and being impacted, looking at the footage, Fitzgerald did not have a chance to avoid even if the barriers were further back. What happened today can happen on any track it just coincidentally happened there...
I’m sorry but I can’t agree with that. The whole thing started with a driver hitting the wall at Radillon, and everyone scrambling to avoid as the car yet again, bounced into oncoming traffic. Granted, Dilano was hit round the kink on Kemmel, but the causal point of the chaos was Radillon again. No other closed permanent circuit has a higher death rate in the last 40 years. And 8 of the last 9 driver deaths at the track have been at Eau Rouge/Radillon/Kemmel. That part of the track is too dangerous. Speed is too high, risk is too high. Lessons aren’t being learnt. Even the Nordschleife has had less deaths in competition than Spa in the last 20 years.
@@masterryangames770 Tramnitz, who was the initial car that spun at Raidillon was well out of the way by the time Van't Hoff came round. The Van't Hoff incident was a completely separate incident that had no connection to the Tramnitz one, Van't Hoff either aquaplaned on his own or was hit by another driver into a half spin
Can't believe what goes through your head after crashing there and even getting thrown back onto the race track without knowing if anyone will hit you there 😬😬
Indeed. Sports worth billions of euros race at that track, and the best solution they have for safety one of the most famous and dangerous corners is some painted used tyres? Couldn't someone spend just a tiny fraction of their paycheque and fix it once and for all?
@@drunkenhobo5039 Spa has a money issue actually. They barely managed to change the corner. Racing series dont pay for track stuff. They actually charge for racing on them. Thats why we see a lot of Middle East and Asian tracks replacing European ones. Those 2 regions are ready to pay a lot to develop their soft power and international reputation.
The design of the track is for next level racers only F1 the track is not suitable for f2,f3,f4 and so on, the skill set needed and awareness is top level
Yeah sure acary and stuff, but the crash was not as close at Radillion as other crashes. The big runoff was so car didnt bounce off back to the racing line in a blind corner. But in that section, at least you have time to react
Was biting my teeth as soon as I saw that little bit of contact in the background. Then once I saw the full crash the only thing I could thing of is Anthoine. Worst place crash. Yet again the barriers on the right side of Raidillon just bounce cars back to where they came from.
The real problem here is : the "soft" barrier bounces back the car into the incoming traffic. And this is NOT THE FIRST TIME. Spa must learn about this & should improves the safety, especially with the barrier which not bounces back the car into incoming traffic.
@@insertgenericusernamehere2402 I would not said that "we don't need soft barrier", don't get me wrong, but the soft barrier itself tends to " throw back" the car into the incoming traffic. We have the SAFER barrier which when hit, allows a bit of sliding along with the barrier, not bouncing back the car instantly, while also absorbing impact energy. They are proven in NASCAR & North American race scene.
@@fajarastanaprima2771 yes but you don't tend to hit the wall at a 45° angle in nascar..... You wall ride it. We see in indycar when those cars go into those kinds of barriers they just ping across the track too... Take grosjean at this year's indy 500
Well, there were enough warnings, even only looking at this season and yesterday we lost another life. I know motorsports are dangerous, but they should investigate the EAU Rouge-Radillion-Kemmel Straight section
Don’t know which Einstein decided to remove the gravel trap from the outside, but it should be put back, drivers don’t have respect for this corner anymore, thinking they can just run wide & keep going.
Organistators and FiA didn't learned anything. Identical situation when car is bouned off instead of being absorbed. It is really difficult to change barrier on whole track?
Why haven't they extended the run off!! There's even room now for the tyre barrier to go fuether back, what the hell are they playing at. Spending all that money on changes and a new grandstand and can't move a barrier. Dont give me that hill crap either, they coulc easily build a structure to extend the run off if they had it as a priority. Shameful.
Wait I'm confused even though I watch motorsports for years now, I'm still confused about the f4 series because this is Italian f4 but they also raced in spa which is in Belgium. What???
Too many people to race in one complete F4 series, so It's split into nationalities. Italians go into Italian F4, Brits go into British F4, etc etc. Then they're promoted into F3 - and yada yada yada.
How long until spa realizes they need more run off on the top of radillion, we see these incidents time and time againe where a car just comes back on the track and gets hit sight unseen
los que se quejan que se dediquen a mirar otra cosa ya que no están preparados para los accidentes...el riesgo siempre va a estar algo que esta generación de fans nuevos y no tanto les cuesta aceptar !! Lo unico que piden es destrozar los circuitos haciendolos mas faciles para los pilotos !!. Si los pilotos les da miedo pues que se pongan hacer otra cosa y dejen el automovilismo !! De seguro quiren circuitos como el de Francia paul ricard...circuito bien feo, aburridor y con cero riesgo. Si a los pilotos le da miedip pues retirate no pidas que cambian el trazado o todo un circuito por vos. Y a los fans les digo lo mismo!!...dejen de pedir destrozar circuitos ! Si no quieren accidentes corran solo en Paul ricard de a un auto solo limitados a 70 km/h y se terminan los accidentes. Parte de la esencia del automovilsmo y motociclismo era el riesgo !
How many lifes will we have to loose before we ban motorsports? No reason to risk people's lives just to go around in circles, staying home is the safest and responsible thing to do
That was the exact way Hubert died, but instead of truly improving the safety of the corner, Spa build grandstands nearby. Job well done. Great there weren’t any casualties this time.
There is a lot more space offside the track now for cars to got though since part of the landscape was removed in order to build the grandstand, but it stays extremely dangerous
@@NL1108 Yes, that’s true- they widened the runoff at turn 4 which improved the safety, but my point is that primary cause of the most serious incidents (Hubert, this one, and much more) is the wall at the exit of 5 which was pretty much untouched. I understand the terrain limitations, and I’m no expert in architecture, but from the perspective of Motorsport fan I am deeply disturbed that at the first glance nothing really has changed, and extremely dangerous accidents still are happening there (but you can see them well from the shiny new grandstand).
What can they actually do without changing the whole structure of those corners? You're watching racing. These drivers voluntarily put themselves into killing machines to race them. Sometimes people die. That's just how racing has always been and will continue to be like that. There's only so much you can do to a track to improve safety without completely destroying it.
@@DarkLordofTheSith_DarthVader they can build a structure to extend the run off before the wall that flings them back. It's possible instead of the brand shiny new grandstand.
How many more seasons will Spa stay open? Crashes at Radiollon get bigger the safer they try to make it. Pushing barriers back makes drivers more confident to push so more mistakes and misjudgments happen.
Someone is going to die in that part of the track again, it's inevitable. Spa should not be hosting any races anymore, it's far too dangerous. It should only be used for testing and lap records like the Nurburgring.
The Nurburgring Nordschleife is still used for races. The biggest race it hosts is the 24 hours of the Nurburgring, which has a starting field of well over 100 cars. They also have their own championship (VLN) which runs a few races a year on the Nordschleife.
They just need an even bigger run off at Raidillon, why they didn't do more than they did given the visibility at the top of the hill is pretty baffling.
Everyone gets real nervous when there's a crash over Raidillion , firstly because someone could be injured and secondly because it's another nail in the coffin for that sector.
I do think they need to redesign a bigger run off to the right at the top of the hill. Crashed cars running back onto the track appears to be a big issue.
@@MatthewLee8383 If you know the track you'll know there is next to nothing they can do to improve it because of the environmental issues.
If it's ok for F1 it won't be altered.
I’d rather spa get dropped than they redesign the track in any way shape or form. And I want spa on the calendar
Also, this is not on the corner layout at all but on the barrier choice. That section of track does NOT need tire barriers but safer barriers which are much better suited for higher speed impacts, such as before the kink entering Kemmel Straight.
All the expanded and paved runoff has only led to more and bigger crashes
The Stewards reactions were sharp
Every crash at Raidillon makes you think we're about to see another Anthoine Hubert. Try as you might, you just can't kill the beast.
Totally agree. I love racing but there are so many crashes. Tamburello pre-1994 wasn't nearly as dangerous as Radillon and that was altered after Senna.
Hubert's crash was so unfortunate. Even a massive crash at Radillon is usually ok because of the space and run-off.
and now we saw...
this one hurts now...
It was the first warning in this year, today in same place van't Hoff died, but in much worse conditions comparing to this.
Now I have a fear to watch any race on Spa seriously...
R.I.P. 😔
0:35 you can already see the car in the background going around from a tap
FIA: "We decided to install sausage curbs at Raidillon de l'Eau Rouge in order to prevent cars ricocheting back to the track by launching them at the fence."
I think the armco barrier on the right side coming from radillion is still too close to the track. Not enough run of room for going off at top speed. Once again the car bounced back to the track just like Hubert did. This guy is lucky.
Hubert didn’t bounce back into the track. Correa hit him in that GT pit exit
It's as far to the side as possible, behind it theres a 50 meter drop sadly
Looks like the dude was hit up the arse by his teammate after the corner, could've happened anywhere really.
Different circumstances.
@@LoudestHoward a crashed car was in the middle of the track.
For those criticising the safety of Raidillon, the changes made to the barrier has made the corner A LOT safer. See the Cadillac crash in WEC. In previous years that car would've bounced back onto the track but it was contained in the run off area. That wall was the real danger. Also we have to remember the Hubert crash was not because he bounced off the track, his car was contained in the run off, but debris from yes, a crash into the barrier on the left, the barrier that has been changed, sent Correa into Hubert's car. IMO they should also move this barrier back (I think it is doable even with the drop) but the most dangerous part of the corner has been made safer and it has made a lot of difference already preventing what would've been bad crashes...
how do u explain today then
@@VladTheSour I can explain today. For me what happened today was not wholly due to the track. It wasn't a case of a driver bouncing off the barrier and being impacted. It was a case of a driver most likely losing it all on his own in wet conditions (the footage doesnt make it clear but it seems thats what happened) and being impacted, looking at the footage, Fitzgerald did not have a chance to avoid even if the barriers were further back. What happened today can happen on any track it just coincidentally happened there...
I’m sorry but I can’t agree with that. The whole thing started with a driver hitting the wall at Radillon, and everyone scrambling to avoid as the car yet again, bounced into oncoming traffic. Granted, Dilano was hit round the kink on Kemmel, but the causal point of the chaos was Radillon again. No other closed permanent circuit has a higher death rate in the last 40 years. And 8 of the last 9 driver deaths at the track have been at Eau Rouge/Radillon/Kemmel. That part of the track is too dangerous. Speed is too high, risk is too high. Lessons aren’t being learnt. Even the Nordschleife has had less deaths in competition than Spa in the last 20 years.
@@masterryangames770 Tramnitz, who was the initial car that spun at Raidillon was well out of the way by the time Van't Hoff came round. The Van't Hoff incident was a completely separate incident that had no connection to the Tramnitz one, Van't Hoff either aquaplaned on his own or was hit by another driver into a half spin
That's big week end crashes around the world
Yeah 😢
Radillon wants blood.
Thank God everyone appears to be alright after this one.
Radillon doesnt wants blood. It's stupid organistators and FiA.
All unhurt ? Looks scary
Yes, everyone was alright
Can't believe what goes through your head after crashing there and even getting thrown back onto the race track without knowing if anyone will hit you there 😬😬
i was on the stand at radillon, you could already see it coming along the straight from turn 1, the 2 VAR cars we're to close for comfort.
We have seen that scenario too many times now
I still don't understand why those are not tech pro barriers rather than tyres. Stops cars being flung back onto the racing line
Indeed. Sports worth billions of euros race at that track, and the best solution they have for safety one of the most famous and dangerous corners is some painted used tyres? Couldn't someone spend just a tiny fraction of their paycheque and fix it once and for all?
At the angle you'd hit the wall it would likely just pinball you back into the track too.
@@drunkenhobo5039 pero si casi venden spa que no tienen ni un euro
@@drunkenhobo5039 Spa has a money issue actually. They barely managed to change the corner. Racing series dont pay for track stuff. They actually charge for racing on them.
Thats why we see a lot of Middle East and Asian tracks replacing European ones. Those 2 regions are ready to pay a lot to develop their soft power and international reputation.
Car racing in Italy is very popular,like to see some of these drivers in F1 some day..."especially with Italian teams”
من صلى عليه واحده صلى الله عليه بها عشرا" "صلى الله عليه وسلم" أكثر من الصلاة عليه؟
The design of the track is for next level racers only F1 the track is not suitable for f2,f3,f4 and so on, the skill set needed and awareness is top level
Yeah sure acary and stuff, but the crash was not as close at Radillion as other crashes. The big runoff was so car didnt bounce off back to the racing line in a blind corner. But in that section, at least you have time to react
Eau Rouge Radillion is too much dangerous
Was biting my teeth as soon as I saw that little bit of contact in the background. Then once I saw the full crash the only thing I could thing of is Anthoine. Worst place crash. Yet again the barriers on the right side of Raidillon just bounce cars back to where they came from.
The real problem here is : the "soft" barrier bounces back the car into the incoming traffic.
And this is NOT THE FIRST TIME.
Spa must learn about this & should improves the safety, especially with the barrier which not bounces back the car into incoming traffic.
You can't just have a barrier with incredible stopping power too as that is also dangerous and could lead to fatalities due to the sheer DE-celeration
@@insertgenericusernamehere2402 I would not said that "we don't need soft barrier", don't get me wrong, but the soft barrier itself tends to " throw back" the car into the incoming traffic.
We have the SAFER barrier which when hit, allows a bit of sliding along with the barrier, not bouncing back the car instantly, while also absorbing impact energy.
They are proven in NASCAR & North American race scene.
@@fajarastanaprima2771 yes but you don't tend to hit the wall at a 45° angle in nascar..... You wall ride it. We see in indycar when those cars go into those kinds of barriers they just ping across the track too... Take grosjean at this year's indy 500
Well, there were enough warnings, even only looking at this season and yesterday we lost another life. I know motorsports are dangerous, but they should investigate the EAU Rouge-Radillion-Kemmel Straight section
*2019 flashbacks*
Wow hope all were ok after that massive shunt
Don’t know which Einstein decided to remove the gravel trap from the outside, but it should be put back, drivers don’t have respect for this corner anymore, thinking they can just run wide & keep going.
Im so happy to see that the changes done to Raidillion fixed the dumb moves driver's would try and do there....
Organistators and FiA didn't learned anything. Identical situation when car is bouned off instead of being absorbed. It is really difficult to change barrier on whole track?
no tiene dinero spa
It's only about tech pro barrier or add chicane before. Really they doesn't have money for new paint?
Did they change Raidillion? It looks slower/less fun
They only changed the runoff and walls. The racing surface itself is the same as it's always been.
@@Rolandminer1 yep. The race itself is still the same since 1996.
Hope everyone was ok.
0.36 - задний план, контакт
Why is the Italian championship racing in Belgium?
como la spañolo o la alemana
Why haven't they extended the run off!! There's even room now for the tyre barrier to go fuether back, what the hell are they playing at. Spending all that money on changes and a new grandstand and can't move a barrier. Dont give me that hill crap either, they coulc easily build a structure to extend the run off if they had it as a priority. Shameful.
They need a heavy gravel trap at Radillion. Would stop the cars bouncing back into the track. Ridiculous that they haven't done this already.
si pero los coches saldrian volando
This guys accent is all over the place.
How commentatory missed the first contact, we saw him
very nsty crash, hope everyone was ok
Well that makes it 2 for 2
At least this time time there was no flip but almost similar to a certain tragic crash at that very turn
Rimettete la ghiaia così che le macchine si fermino e non tornino in pista, è molto semplice
Wait I'm confused even though I watch motorsports for years now, I'm still confused about the f4 series because this is Italian f4 but they also raced in spa which is in Belgium. What???
germam f4 also raced in assen or red bull ring sometimes
Too many people to race in one complete F4 series, so It's split into nationalities. Italians go into Italian F4, Brits go into British F4, etc etc. Then they're promoted into F3 - and yada yada yada.
Why italian f4 when belgium is at the other side of europe?
Clearly this section of race track just isn't worth it.
Here for the clockwork responses of people pretending to know what they're talking about.
We must remake the Circuit to avoid to be dangerous crash and more
nooooooooooo este deporte es asi
There needs to be more space, they meed to change that, cars always come back on the track
la montala sige ladera abajo
Ah quand le retour des bacs à graviers bordel y'a déjà eu un drame ici en plus incroyable d'être en 2023 est ont comprend les erreurs déjà de 2019
saldrian los coches volando
Ik everyone loves spa cos of how iconic Eau rouge is but don't u think its getting very dangerous
y asi son las carrreras de coches
They should have learnt from Antoine Hubert’s crash. History repeats again at the same place.
1) Learn what? Be specific.
2) History has not repeated itself because the F4 driver is not dead.
@@FightingTorque411 nature of the accident is very similar and yes you are right luckily there is no one dead this time.
@@FightingTorque411tell that to Dilano van t Hoff
How long until spa realizes they need more run off on the top of radillion, we see these incidents time and time againe where a car just comes back on the track and gets hit sight unseen
You can't put runoff where there is nowhere to put runoff.
Terrible crash again
I see a BADOER in the classification. P27. Is that Luca's son?
yes, it's Brando Badoer
He is the guy that caused the accident
Bastava mantenere la ghiaia nella via di fuga...!
saldrian los coches volando
Terrific camera work! JK
Rip!
los que se quejan que se dediquen a mirar otra cosa ya que no están preparados para los accidentes...el riesgo siempre va a estar algo que esta generación de fans nuevos y no tanto les cuesta aceptar !! Lo unico que piden es destrozar los circuitos haciendolos mas faciles para los pilotos !!. Si los pilotos les da miedo pues que se pongan hacer otra cosa y dejen el automovilismo !! De seguro quiren circuitos como el de Francia paul ricard...circuito bien feo, aburridor y con cero riesgo. Si a los pilotos le da miedip pues retirate no pidas que cambian el trazado o todo un circuito por vos. Y a los fans les digo lo mismo!!...dejen de pedir destrozar circuitos ! Si no quieren accidentes corran solo en Paul ricard de a un auto solo limitados a 70 km/h y se terminan los accidentes. Parte de la esencia del automovilsmo y motociclismo era el riesgo !
It’s look like Hubert crash 😢 very impressive
But unlike that sad crash we got good news here
??? They racing the track backwards? They came down Eau Rouge instead of going up… so cool.
Wow. Too many big wrecks all through the weekend.
Because of that DAMN anime
How many lifes will we have to loose before we ban this ridiculous track?
Ok it's historic, it's fun to race, but it's a death trap
How many lifes will we have to loose before we ban motorsports? No reason to risk people's lives just to go around in circles, staying home is the safest and responsible thing to do
yyyy asi es este deporte
Who is this commentator, one of the worst commentary voices I’ve ever heard
A bunch of amateurs
That was the exact way Hubert died, but instead of truly improving the safety of the corner, Spa build grandstands nearby. Job well done. Great there weren’t any casualties this time.
There is a lot more space offside the track now for cars to got though since part of the landscape was removed in order to build the grandstand, but it stays extremely dangerous
@@NL1108 Yes, that’s true- they widened the runoff at turn 4 which improved the safety, but my point is that primary cause of the most serious incidents (Hubert, this one, and much more) is the wall at the exit of 5 which was pretty much untouched. I understand the terrain limitations, and I’m no expert in architecture, but from the perspective of Motorsport fan I am deeply disturbed that at the first glance nothing really has changed, and extremely dangerous accidents still are happening there (but you can see them well from the shiny new grandstand).
What can they actually do without changing the whole structure of those corners? You're watching racing. These drivers voluntarily put themselves into killing machines to race them. Sometimes people die. That's just how racing has always been and will continue to be like that. There's only so much you can do to a track to improve safety without completely destroying it.
@@DarkLordofTheSith_DarthVader they can build a structure to extend the run off before the wall that flings them back. It's possible instead of the brand shiny new grandstand.
@@ab8jeh Yeah they done that too, with building the grandstand. How big do you want the runoff to be? A version of Paul Ricard?
Eau Rogue needs a new design.
noo
How many more seasons will Spa stay open? Crashes at Radiollon get bigger the safer they try to make it. Pushing barriers back makes drivers more confident to push so more mistakes and misjudgments happen.
It'll always be open wtf
si pero asi son las carreras
This needs to be banned
Someone is going to die in that part of the track again, it's inevitable. Spa should not be hosting any races anymore, it's far too dangerous. It should only be used for testing and lap records like the Nurburgring.
The Nurburgring Nordschleife is still used for races. The biggest race it hosts is the 24 hours of the Nurburgring, which has a starting field of well over 100 cars. They also have their own championship (VLN) which runs a few races a year on the Nordschleife.
They just need an even bigger run off at Raidillon, why they didn't do more than they did given the visibility at the top of the hill is pretty baffling.
si pue vete de este deporte si no te gusta asi es esto
@@ab8jeh si pero daria menos miedo y por lo tanto + aciedente
Welcome to Italian F4. The worst quality F4 series.