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Since the second part of the name is land and the Dutch had a colonial empire, colonize and own all places that end with the word land, Greenland, Iceland, Ireland, Newfoundland and New Zealand
Since historically a Dutch explorer discovered Australia, as Holland form the Netherlands and own all of Australia. And as a sidegoal conquer the Lowlands region.
@@Kasaaz It was indeed called that (until the British got their hands on it). In Dutch, New Zealand is simply called Nieuw-Zeeland, exactly like the Dutch province it was named after. I assume the change in spelling probably reflects how the Brits pronounced Zeeland.
@@samvanderstaak7296 its a european tradition like with both english and dutch to put new in front and then in the back a city or region of the old world from that nation kinda why the naming scheme of australia and new zeeland is the way it is
Also new amsterdam still exists but it moved to suriname when the british renamed new amsterdam to new york fun fact the city in suriname still kept the same name if I recall correct
I've been told that there's no real reason not to just call this nation "The Ayyubids" since that's what they would call themselves and probably what other people called them too. Byzantium was still Byzantium even when THEY were reduced to only one city.
When the Middle East expansion pack drops there should be a formable unique to Hysn Kayfa that's called "the Ayyubid Empire" and they should get a mission tree too.
As holland, realize your true ambition to leave the lowlands and fully core and have your capital in Tibet. A true “started from the bottom now we’re here” moment
by the end of this video I was literally dying. Love the monotone attitude as the entire game completely shits on you. Funniest thing ever. Love the content, keep it up :D
When I did this achievement I got a lucky early alliance with the Ottos and steamrolled through the Mamluks. Then I formed Persia and went for "This is Persia." Probably my favorite EU4 campaign ever.
Hawk think of the sick colab you can do with Zlewikk can even he save the campaign. Sad you didn't get the achievement and fighting to the bitter end but its good to see failures and not constant wins.
As the Netherlands, successfully hold the peak Dutch Empire: All of- New Netherlands, Benelux, Cape Colony, Suriname, Aruba, Bonaire, Curacao, St. Maarten, all of Indonesia, Ceylon/Sri Lanka and Perth
Got it on my first run, hahaha, you need a fast early war to expand, a potential alliance with the Ottomans and then just go Meta ideas and eat thw Mamluks. The achievement that really tortured me personally was Timur's legacy.
I've had luck by attacking Aq-Qoyunlu, getting lucky by them not allying the ottos, and basically replacing them. From then on, like you did, it's basically a race to destroy Qara-Qoyunlu and the Mamluks before the Ottos get any ideas. I guess I got lucky because I only had to fight the Ottos once. Was able to ally Hungary and Naples though, maybe thats a route to explore, as having a shared rival should be enough to get you over the tipping point for the alliance.
this is quite a bit stronger than the ardabil into persia one just because you have to beat up QQ and Mameluks and do it fast enough before Ottomans starts showing up. if i recall, the way I got it was by staying allied with the mameluks until Ottomans are fully crippled and expanding into Persian node instead and then coming back on the Mameluks once I was rich enough to outspend them
Hisn Kayfa (Hasankeyf in modern Turkish) currently sits underwater due to a highly controversial dam project in Turkey (the Ilısu Dam) that has caused the banks of the Tigris to rise and engulf it, leading to a loss of many archaeological sites and the displacement of over 80,000 people. Despite local and international protests that even led foreign investors to pull their funding, the construction of the dam was finished in 2018 and by 2020 Hasankeyf was submerged. While some historical monuments were moved beforehand, there are still many ancient buildings that were unable to be moved. The construction of the dam also led to water shortages and environmental damages in Iraq, which combined with civil unrest and low rainfall led to severely low harvests in 2018 and 2019.
I think the new favors mechanics make you gain trust in your allies more, which increases reasons for accepting vassalization, which means long term powerful allies might offer it.
I don't know what they did this patch, but allies are being quite useless. In my Riga game, I got Austria in a war against Poland, but they kept running around like chikens with little stacks and I ended up having to white peace =(
As far as I know, when you hit 80 trust, your allies won't desire your land. So having one guy curry favours with the Ottomans and constantly improving trust might have prevented the alliance break
Maybe as Holland, try to do another achievement run? Have you already got the Sinaasappel achievement? I'm from Holland, by the way. Always enjoying your work!
When i played my Saladin legacy campaign i got lucky with an ottoman alliance early on and they pretty much carried me all the way to victory. Only had to backstab them eventually since i needed one ottoman province for the achievement. an epic boss battle to end an otherwise unexpectedly easy run.
For my achievement, I was never able to make the AQ/Syria strategy work. Ottomans turned hostile too quickly. Instead, I allied them and expanded to the east & south while letting them eat the Mamluks. Eventually broke alliance with them, waited until the Ottomans got involved in a war with Austria, declared war bringing in my Polish ally, took a bunch of undefended territory and peaced out. Switched to Austria & Russia allies for my next Ottomans war. After that, chain wars until I got the achievement.
If you want to prevent a coalition war from triggering or a powerful nation attacking you, simply take mercenaries or increase your army size. This will drag the war out, even if they start the war they will attack a couple years later which will give you the chance of getting allies
I've actually played as Hisn Kayfa recently and it's easier than you'd expect. You can RM the Ottomans day one, ally Ajam and Dulkadir and restart until AQ doesn't have any ally. Then you can full annex AQ, rival Dulkadir (very important), ally the Ottomans and release Syria and Iraq. Expand into the Caucasus to cut Northern Ottoman expansion (I recommend releasing Georgia as well). You'll be able to declare on the Mamelukes for the cores of Syria and have the Ottomans give them all to you. You can fight AQ with Ajam. I didn't even struggle with money despite keeping the horse. Ended up converting to Judaism and forming Persia. Fun game.
Its the ottoman war that was the turning point, they still got the siege age bonus so its all about winning battles and trying to rush forts afterwards. Even good players cant ironman that fully, at best with reloading saves they get that war into a white peace/stalemate. If you or someone else tries this archievement the cheese I like doing is giving lands in war to useful allies like the otto's for favors and then push trust above 80 with those favors. Once you get your ally in that position they likely never wont turn on you. In this game you couldve snaked slightly more northeast and start wars agianst georgia, crimean, circassia etc and feed ottomans some those lands for favors to keep on your side. the claim bordering claims age ability helps a lot with pulling this strat off btw.
I must’ve been very lucky when I did my run because thanks to Religious Diplomats and Diplo rep I managed to ally Ottomans within the first five years and then I’d already won, since I used favors with them in the first war against Mamluks and just made sure to not give them anything that’d give them claims on my land. Edit: Oh, Red Hawk allied them too! Can’t wait to see what happens! Edit 2: Oh another standard accidental war declaration, shocking!
In macro, the way I did this achievement was to kill AQ, reconquest Syria, and from there, go east hard and basically become Persia, before pivoting back west once I had an economic base.
the trick of hisn kayfa is to basically curry favors with the ottomans and expand east/north and slowly build up your strength so you can backstab the ottomans
Pro Tipp: Call Ottomans into your wars repeatedly and never take the provinces so they always have a truce and you can keep expanding into the Mamluks until you are strong enough to beat them.
Just watched your video, I think standing in the way of Ottomans mission tree is even worst than previous patches. They stick to their plan and at the beginning of the game are nearly impossible to beat if they're not in 2 big wars at the same time, say Mamluks and Hungary -Austria at the same time.
Hawk Im finishing up this achievement now. The trick is to focus on Arabia and the mamluks and don’t poke the ottoman bear. Let them have what they want and beat them up mid game after you take a couple of mil ideas
ive never done this achivements but my assumiton would be that there are 2 options of beating this either hope the ottoms either collops or jsut never attack you and play like you do or instead of going for the requierd provinces you just try to conquer persia into indea maby arabia and turn around in the endgame and try to beat the ottomas that way.
As Holland, come as close as you can to game-ruining yourself without actually doing it (Tulip Crash) or fight a war as long as possible (Eighty Years War)
Keep going! Get your independence supported, rip into Ajam, and get your revenge later. Make sure to religiously and culturally convert all Otto and Mam lands as retribution :)
I don't know if it's viable, but if you build trust to 80, the AI will permanently (while your trust is 80+) remove all of your provinces as provinces of vital interest. I doubt you could get trust to 80 that fast when you're that close to the Ottomans to begin with, though.
For Germiyan in releasables you should do nothing and improve realtions with Mamuluks and hope they will support your independence, they didn't want to in my first run, but in second they did, probably because they were bordering the Ottomans. If you royal marry the ottomans go restart. Once you get Mamuluks to support your independence you should either wait for them to fight someone in the balkans or declare immediately because they will placate your rulers to get you under 50 liberty desire. You may want to make a backup save for war just so you don't have to do a full restart if Mamuluk ai trolls you, also if Ottomans ally Tunis you should probably restart or go all in with mercs to try to hold out until Mamuluks deal with Tunis(although you'll probably go bankrupt this way). Once you win the war you should take Gelibolu, Constantinople, whatever you can in north Anatolia and war reparations and stay as far away from Mamuluks as long possible because you are still not strong enough to fight them and you won't need any allies because you'll still be surrounded by the Ottomans. After that you'll probably fight theodoro, crimea, georgia or circassia depending on their allies and then probably even more weakened Ottomans if Austria got Hungary and declared on them, otherwise you wait until Mamuluks declares on the Ottomans and if the Ottomans declare on you then mercs and debt it is, after that second war you should start looking for allies to prevent Mamuluks and Austria from declaring on you and the rest is up to you. Hope this helps and good luck.
It's a little strange that you couldn't succeed considering your usual performance... A few tips, if you try to follow the mission tree, it's hard to success due to the Ottoman disaster. Use the Mamluk as a mercenary in the beginning to get the Syrian and Iraqi cores, break the alliance with them, and then form an alliance with the Ottomans to absorb the Mamluks first. If you absorb most of the Mamluk lands before your relationship with the Ottomans is ruined, you can beat the Ottomans in a final showdown.
...His enemy was the Ottomans... THEY are the "big army". And with a difference that big there really isn't much difference between 15k or 25k. The Ottomans will consider you "small" either way.
@@Al-Basha_This specific thing? No. But it is my understanding that the ai doesn't evaluate troop numbers in terms of absolute numbers but rather relative strength to themselves. That being the case, because you have so few provinces with this OPM low dev start, doing something like quantity won't actually help you very much in this way. Percentage bonuses (like the forcelimit and manpower bonuses quantity gives you) scale with your size, so while the percentage increase is the same, in absolute numbers it isn't doing very much at this low level of base stats. Thats assuming such a small and poor nation could even afford to have a much bigger army. In the abstract this isn't a problem with the quantity idea. It will still be good enough to help for your army size to bump up your relative army strength so that mid sized nations like QQ don't see a particularly weak neighbour. And it gets progressively better as a policy the bigger you get. But in the context of the Ottomans this early on in the game with this nation its a bit of a waste of a policy in my opinion. They have the strongest (and one of the biggest except maybe Ming, although they Mingsploded early here) armys in the game at the moment and are widely considered the strongest nation in the game during this era. What this means is that their relative army strength is numerically SO much bigger than your own (and with an agressively expansionist ruler) that taking quantity is a drop in the bucket even if you had the funds for maximum forcelimit. Even if Red Hawk doubled his force limit which is beyond what the policy is even capable of, he would still be considered militarily very weak to the Ottomans. Since that is the case, it is pointless to take because it would make little difference unless you were going to lose an Ottoman alliance because of not enough army size or something, which isn't the context here. Since we've established that no matter what we can do with the military it is futile in making the Ottomans hesitant to attack (and we would lose mega badly if they do) there is logically only three options. Option 1, ally the Ottomans. This works very well, but because you are still small, you need to be fairly careful about what you conquer because if the Ottomans randomly deside that something you have is particularly high value for them this game you don't have enough pro-alliance things to outweigh this debuff and they will break the alliance. This happened to Hawk because the Ottomans really wanted what he himself wanted, and he was far too small to hold the alliance. Option 2, create a massive anti-Ottoman alliance and use their combined military to dissuade the Ottomans. This is what Hawk tried, and while it can work, allies can be unpredictable, sometimes the Ottomans will attack anyway, and either way in this context your nation would be the literal battleground because you are at the centre. This also happened to Hawk. Option 3 is not great. Its basically avoid anything that could make you desirable for an Ottoman invasion, and keep expanding and doing your own thing in other directions until you become a lot more powerful. Of course, this relies on a bit of luck and hope that the Ottomans don't attack you. Anyway, if you wanted my opinion on a better choice of policy, I would probably have gone diplomatic instead. More diplomatic reputation, and more alliance relation slots, both to make the alliance bigger and also more likely to work. In the context of needing a deterrant against an Ottomans who is hostile towards you, I feel this would have been the much better play. Having another 6-8k men wasn't ever going to do anything because of the disparity. Having more allies that would actually join the call to arms would. Also, there is always a good chance the ottomans attacked "because" those two nations wouldn't join. After all humans can see that sort of information declaing war, so I assume the ai can? So even if diplo ideas didn't manage to stop the war entirely you would have more (geographically closer too) allies and there is always a decent chance the war itself never happens. I can't remember "when" he took the policy; if he took quantity when the ottomans were still allies then it wasn't a bad choice and this is only hindsight talking. But if he took the policy after the alliance dropped then I do think the smarter thing would have been Diplomatic in that context.
@@rowanmales3430 man it was a headache to read this but I did..anyway I did this challenge -no in ironman- and took quantity but that was in previous game version and it worked ottomans ended their alliance with me anyway but never declare war...quantity makes your army cheaper to maintain which means you will recruit more also he should've never fallen behind in mil tech (he needed some luck maybe with rulers)...imo he should've had Iraq as a vassal
@@Al-Basha_ Well, every game is different. I wasn't claiming it was impossible to do it, just that in his specific circumstances with the Ottomans actively hostile and alliances failing left and right quantity didn't seem like it did anything worthwhile (and it certainly didn't stop him getting attacked in his version). I should add that I don't really regard the -5% army cost reduction as that good, since that is fairly small, and you will actually end up spending signficantly more money on military when you take quantity since you will be upkeeping more troops, even if each one is very slightly less costly. This matters when your economy isn't good like here. The -5% is a lot better when you have a large nation with 80-90k+ troops because it becomes quite substantial in ducats when you reach large numbers, I wouldn't have thought it that relevant in his playthrough. You are absolutely right that he screwed himself with a mil tech disadvantage (against early game Ottomans at that!!), and it is noteworthy that all his allies were below mil tech too. That might not have helped, and I missed that myself lol. Lastly, I just want to say that however helpful you thought quantity was in your setup, you probably need to reduce that helpfulness by 33% in the new update version he is playing. Quantity got hit with major nerfs with both Manpower and Forcelimit being halved from increases of +50% to increases of +25% instead. I would say half your perceived advantages, but the other less important modifiers are still there so... Anyway I didn't expect you to actually try it so good on you. I was only going by theory, but predicting the ai is hardly foolproof.
I had to try for myself. Ottomans beat me to conquering egypt but i managed to ally austria mid 1500's and it was easy after that. (no to mention the austrians got a PU on spain, after which it became speed 5 to the finish lolz). Also, having Timurids _> Mughals as an ally for almost all the game did nothing for me. They refused to join against the ottomans the entire game.
Odds are you should've attacked elsewhere and then come back around to get the harder to conquer provinces when you were a lot stronger. As for holland, why not be Hol-y and conquer the Papal States?
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Play wide because you usually play tall as Holland, so play wide instead.
Conquer every Cow province in order to make the best Gouda cheese as Holland
Since the second part of the name is land and the Dutch had a colonial empire, colonize and own all places that end with the word land, Greenland, Iceland, Ireland, Newfoundland and New Zealand
@@antimatterg thats evil
steal a colony from england
Since historically a Dutch explorer discovered Australia, as Holland form the Netherlands and own all of Australia. And as a sidegoal conquer the Lowlands region.
I'm pretty sure he also discovered New Zealand, so conquer that as well
Was it New Holland? Cause that would explain why it's still New Zealand too. Though not sure why they changed the spelling.
@@Kasaaz It was indeed called that (until the British got their hands on it). In Dutch, New Zealand is simply called Nieuw-Zeeland, exactly like the Dutch province it was named after. I assume the change in spelling probably reflects how the Brits pronounced Zeeland.
@@samvanderstaak7296 its a european tradition like with both english and dutch to put new in front and then in the back a city or region of the old world from that nation kinda why the naming scheme of australia and new zeeland is the way it is
Also new amsterdam still exists but it moved to suriname when the british renamed new amsterdam to new york fun fact the city in suriname still kept the same name if I recall correct
I've been told that there's no real reason not to just call this nation "The Ayyubids" since that's what they would call themselves and probably what other people called them too. Byzantium was still Byzantium even when THEY were reduced to only one city.
To be fair, Byzantium was the old Greek name for Constantinople, so it's not really a perfect comparison.
@@JetFuelSE isnt that Byzantion?
@@JetFuelSE or maybe they're the same thing i dunno
@@notlucas6859 Yeah, Byzantium was named after Byzantion, which was then renamed to Constantinople, you're right.
Well Byzantium was still Roman Empire even when they were reduced to one city, since thats what they really called themselves.
this is probably the most "normal" achievement you have set in the course of this series until now
When the Middle East expansion pack drops there should be a formable unique to Hysn Kayfa that's called "the Ayyubid Empire" and they should get a mission tree too.
The ayyubid sultanate
Either missions expanded or flavor universalis has an amazing tree for them
When Ajam offered him vassalization... hardest I've laughed in weeks.
hisn kayfa has such a nice map color thank you for making it more visible mr hawk. im too shitty to do it on my own
well apparently he is too
As holland, realize your true ambition to leave the lowlands and fully core and have your capital in Tibet. A true “started from the bottom now we’re here” moment
That is really funny. Lowest point on Earth to highest. Bring Tobacco too ;)
by the end of this video I was literally dying. Love the monotone attitude as the entire game completely shits on you. Funniest thing ever. Love the content, keep it up :D
Holy goddamn, I had no idea Hysn Kayfa's idea were so CRACKED. I might need to try them out lol
As Holland you should try to become Chinese Emperor, because idk.
I like that, please do that haha
ah, yes, the Huo Lian dynasty
Make a tier list of best unique national ideas at the end of the series.
I'm impressed. I have over 2k hours in single player EU4... and I had no idea it was possible for the ai to offer you vassalisation.
When I did this achievement I got a lucky early alliance with the Ottos and steamrolled through the Mamluks. Then I formed Persia and went for "This is Persia." Probably my favorite EU4 campaign ever.
Hisn Kayfa is really hard considering you’re smashed in between pretty strong opponents but once you actually get it going it starts to snowball
Timurids: "Did you just break your alliance with us?"
TheRedHawk: "Well yes, but actually no."
Props for posting such a brutal experience. You have my respect.
15:50 The suicide of Ming. Stretching out like that is the death for the Mandate.
No, it's not
My Ming always expands westward in every game. That never happened before
Hawk think of the sick colab you can do with Zlewikk can even he save the campaign. Sad you didn't get the achievement and fighting to the bitter end but its good to see failures and not constant wins.
I'd love to see you give some of your more ruined saves (like this one) to Zlewwik to save. Maybe then you can do a "suceeding part 2" or something.
As Holland I think you should get revenge on the Spanish for the 80 years war by owning all of Spain
For Trebizond, restore the Byzantine Empire
Yes, its still a lot of letters to T, but I wont let my boy down
Since when was high war exhaustion bad? You were always telling me it's good.
this is the first time I've seen Hisn Kayfa's national ideas and they really put the OP in OPM
As the Netherlands, successfully hold the peak Dutch Empire: All of- New Netherlands, Benelux, Cape Colony, Suriname, Aruba, Bonaire, Curacao, St. Maarten, all of Indonesia, Ceylon/Sri Lanka and Perth
I didn't know saladdins legacy was that easy to get... A to Z truly is a great series to learn.
this is like watching a yugi-oh episode but he never wins any duel , at this point LMAO
Got it on my first run, hahaha, you need a fast early war to expand, a potential alliance with the Ottomans and then just go Meta ideas and eat thw Mamluks.
The achievement that really tortured me personally was Timur's legacy.
I've had luck by attacking Aq-Qoyunlu, getting lucky by them not allying the ottos, and basically replacing them. From then on, like you did, it's basically a race to destroy Qara-Qoyunlu and the Mamluks before the Ottos get any ideas. I guess I got lucky because I only had to fight the Ottos once. Was able to ally Hungary and Naples though, maybe thats a route to explore, as having a shared rival should be enough to get you over the tipping point for the alliance.
I mean its impressive how you can type and play with talons.
Zlewikk would probably save your campaign
this is quite a bit stronger than the ardabil into persia one just because you have to beat up QQ and Mameluks and do it fast enough before Ottomans starts showing up. if i recall, the way I got it was by staying allied with the mameluks until Ottomans are fully crippled and expanding into Persian node instead and then coming back on the Mameluks once I was rich enough to outspend them
this is exactly how I did it too
Hisn Kayfa (Hasankeyf in modern Turkish) currently sits underwater due to a highly controversial dam project in Turkey (the Ilısu Dam) that has caused the banks of the Tigris to rise and engulf it, leading to a loss of many archaeological sites and the displacement of over 80,000 people. Despite local and international protests that even led foreign investors to pull their funding, the construction of the dam was finished in 2018 and by 2020 Hasankeyf was submerged. While some historical monuments were moved beforehand, there are still many ancient buildings that were unable to be moved. The construction of the dam also led to water shortages and environmental damages in Iraq, which combined with civil unrest and low rainfall led to severely low harvests in 2018 and 2019.
I think the new favors mechanics make you gain trust in your allies more, which increases reasons for accepting vassalization, which means long term powerful allies might offer it.
16:09 “I want you to let them know… that we back up.”
This is a classic A2Z episode right here. So much *P A I N*
I wanna see a redo of the achievement, maybe do it in a few parts
I would've saved at the Ottoman War and then kept on reloading till I got a stalemate. It just crippled your country after that.
I don't know what they did this patch, but allies are being quite useless. In my Riga game, I got Austria in a war against Poland, but they kept running around like chikens with little stacks and I ended up having to white peace =(
As far as I know, when you hit 80 trust, your allies won't desire your land. So having one guy curry favours with the Ottomans and constantly improving trust might have prevented the alliance break
Maybe as Holland, try to do another achievement run? Have you already got the Sinaasappel achievement?
I'm from Holland, by the way. Always enjoying your work!
Yes. Personally if you play eu4 lot you have played the Dutch and if you have played the Dutch you have got that achievement. Pretty easy
When i played my Saladin legacy campaign i got lucky with an ottoman alliance early on and they pretty much carried me all the way to victory. Only had to backstab them eventually since i needed one ottoman province for the achievement. an epic boss battle to end an otherwise unexpectedly easy run.
12:45 My personal gripe with Paradox games in general: you never have options, just different ways to screw yourself.
For my achievement, I was never able to make the AQ/Syria strategy work. Ottomans turned hostile too quickly. Instead, I allied them and expanded to the east & south while letting them eat the Mamluks. Eventually broke alliance with them, waited until the Ottomans got involved in a war with Austria, declared war bringing in my Polish ally, took a bunch of undefended territory and peaced out. Switched to Austria & Russia allies for my next Ottomans war. After that, chain wars until I got the achievement.
If you want to prevent a coalition war from triggering or a powerful nation attacking you, simply take mercenaries or increase your army size. This will drag the war out, even if they start the war they will attack a couple years later which will give you the chance of getting allies
I've actually played as Hisn Kayfa recently and it's easier than you'd expect. You can RM the Ottomans day one, ally Ajam and Dulkadir and restart until AQ doesn't have any ally. Then you can full annex AQ, rival Dulkadir (very important), ally the Ottomans and release Syria and Iraq. Expand into the Caucasus to cut Northern Ottoman expansion (I recommend releasing Georgia as well). You'll be able to declare on the Mamelukes for the cores of Syria and have the Ottomans give them all to you. You can fight AQ with Ajam.
I didn't even struggle with money despite keeping the horse. Ended up converting to Judaism and forming Persia. Fun game.
Its the ottoman war that was the turning point, they still got the siege age bonus so its all about winning battles and trying to rush forts afterwards. Even good players cant ironman that fully, at best with reloading saves they get that war into a white peace/stalemate.
If you or someone else tries this archievement the cheese I like doing is giving lands in war to useful allies like the otto's for favors and then push trust above 80 with those favors. Once you get your ally in that position they likely never wont turn on you. In this game you couldve snaked slightly more northeast and start wars agianst georgia, crimean, circassia etc and feed ottomans some those lands for favors to keep on your side. the claim bordering claims age ability helps a lot with pulling this strat off btw.
I managed to do this months ago and tried for nearly 2 years, just allied the ottomans and slowly getting powerful but the early game was super hard
I must’ve been very lucky when I did my run because thanks to Religious Diplomats and Diplo rep I managed to ally Ottomans within the first five years and then I’d already won, since I used favors with them in the first war against Mamluks and just made sure to not give them anything that’d give them claims on my land.
Edit: Oh, Red Hawk allied them too! Can’t wait to see what happens!
Edit 2: Oh another standard accidental war declaration, shocking!
In macro, the way I did this achievement was to kill AQ, reconquest Syria, and from there, go east hard and basically become Persia, before pivoting back west once I had an economic base.
the trick of hisn kayfa is to basically curry favors with the ottomans and expand east/north and slowly build up your strength so you can backstab the ottomans
This killed me laughing from frustration.
EU4: 2016
Red Hawk: 10 or 8 years
Holland is some kind of fabric in english according to oxford, so conquer 5 cloth producing provinces in every continent
Pro Tipp: Call Ottomans into your wars repeatedly and never take the provinces so they always have a truce and you can keep expanding into the Mamluks until you are strong enough to beat them.
Harsh the mellow, dude. Harsh.
Doing this run again would be solid... if you can handle it! ;-)
That Ming reminds me of eu3 where they would always just conquer all the way to Europe
Hey, on the positive, you didn't accidentally join the HRE this time ;)
Just watched your video,
I think standing in the way of Ottomans mission tree is even worst than previous patches. They stick to their plan and at the beginning of the game are nearly impossible to beat if they're not in 2 big wars at the same time, say Mamluks and Hungary -Austria at the same time.
Hawk Im finishing up this achievement now. The trick is to focus on Arabia and the mamluks and don’t poke the ottoman bear. Let them have what they want and beat them up mid game after you take a couple of mil ideas
ive never done this achivements but my assumiton would be that there are 2 options of beating this
either hope the ottoms either collops or jsut never attack you and play like you do or instead of going for the requierd provinces you just try to conquer persia into indea maby arabia and turn around in the endgame and try to beat the ottomas that way.
not even Zlewikk can save this I think...
Least difficult red hawk A to Z run vs most easy red hawk Releasables challenge
As Holland, come as close as you can to game-ruining yourself without actually doing it (Tulip Crash) or fight a war as long as possible (Eighty Years War)
High inflation is good since you can get an estate agenda to lower it and you get stability and -10 inflation as a reward
Brutal, I’ve had so many games go this way. It’s not fun, it’s just frustrating
This was painful to watch, I can only imagine how much of a pain it was- to play.
Keep going! Get your independence supported, rip into Ajam, and get your revenge later. Make sure to religiously and culturally convert all Otto and Mam lands as retribution :)
As Holland, form Malaya
(you know, Dutch East Indies etc.)
OPMs are soooooo impossible to play since the last update. AI is way too aggressive.
Pain I already lunched again. Btw thx for bringing more eu4 pain videos hawk
Took more hits to the head in this campaign than Harry Osborn in Spiderman 3 😂😂
This patch Ming have a tendency to conquer a lot towards russia for some reason and they also tend to explode fairly early
Great job bro😄
Can you try this campaign again? It is really interesting
I don't know if it's viable, but if you build trust to 80, the AI will permanently (while your trust is 80+) remove all of your provinces as provinces of vital interest. I doubt you could get trust to 80 that fast when you're that close to the Ottomans to begin with, though.
Maybe if you declare on the Turkish beyliks and you feed it to them that might drive up trust and give you favors to build more trust with
Crouching Tiger, Hisn Kayfa
As Holland you own new zealand as you start with old zeeland and new amsterdam (new york)
For Germiyan in releasables you should do nothing and improve realtions with Mamuluks and hope they will support your independence, they didn't want to in my first run, but in second they did, probably because they were bordering the Ottomans. If you royal marry the ottomans go restart. Once you get Mamuluks to support your independence you should either wait for them to fight someone in the balkans or declare immediately because they will placate your rulers to get you under 50 liberty desire. You may want to make a backup save for war just so you don't have to do a full restart if Mamuluk ai trolls you, also if Ottomans ally Tunis you should probably restart or go all in with mercs to try to hold out until Mamuluks deal with Tunis(although you'll probably go bankrupt this way). Once you win the war you should take Gelibolu, Constantinople, whatever you can in north Anatolia and war reparations and stay as far away from Mamuluks as long possible because you are still not strong enough to fight them and you won't need any allies because you'll still be surrounded by the Ottomans. After that you'll probably fight theodoro, crimea, georgia or circassia depending on their allies and then probably even more weakened Ottomans if Austria got Hungary and declared on them, otherwise you wait until Mamuluks declares on the Ottomans and if the Ottomans declare on you then mercs and debt it is, after that second war you should start looking for allies to prevent Mamuluks and Austria from declaring on you and the rest is up to you. Hope this helps and good luck.
Send the ruined campaign to Zlewik!
Since the tall meta has changed so much in lions of the North, why not do a classic tall Holland into Netherlands campaign?
It's a little strange that you couldn't succeed considering your usual performance... A few tips, if you try to follow the mission tree, it's hard to success due to the Ottoman disaster. Use the Mamluk as a mercenary in the beginning to get the Syrian and Iraqi cores, break the alliance with them, and then form an alliance with the Ottomans to absorb the Mamluks first. If you absorb most of the Mamluk lands before your relationship with the Ottomans is ruined, you can beat the Ottomans in a final showdown.
POV: you are now the eu4 ai Mamluks
You can get great horde as a allie also.Its too strange u can get 4 nations like great horde ajam ottomans and mamluks with hisn i kayfa.
Ah my favourite nation finally.
tbh you should've taken quantity AI won't break alliance or declare war if you have a big army
...His enemy was the Ottomans... THEY are the "big army". And with a difference that big there really isn't much difference between 15k or 25k. The Ottomans will consider you "small" either way.
@@rowanmales3430 did you try it?
@@Al-Basha_This specific thing? No.
But it is my understanding that the ai doesn't evaluate troop numbers in terms of absolute numbers but rather relative strength to themselves.
That being the case, because you have so few provinces with this OPM low dev start, doing something like quantity won't actually help you very much in this way. Percentage bonuses (like the forcelimit and manpower bonuses quantity gives you) scale with your size, so while the percentage increase is the same, in absolute numbers it isn't doing very much at this low level of base stats. Thats assuming such a small and poor nation could even afford to have a much bigger army.
In the abstract this isn't a problem with the quantity idea. It will still be good enough to help for your army size to bump up your relative army strength so that mid sized nations like QQ don't see a particularly weak neighbour. And it gets progressively better as a policy the bigger you get.
But in the context of the Ottomans this early on in the game with this nation its a bit of a waste of a policy in my opinion. They have the strongest (and one of the biggest except maybe Ming, although they Mingsploded early here) armys in the game at the moment and are widely considered the strongest nation in the game during this era. What this means is that their relative army strength is numerically SO much bigger than your own (and with an agressively expansionist ruler) that taking quantity is a drop in the bucket even if you had the funds for maximum forcelimit. Even if Red Hawk doubled his force limit which is beyond what the policy is even capable of, he would still be considered militarily very weak to the Ottomans. Since that is the case, it is pointless to take because it would make little difference unless you were going to lose an Ottoman alliance because of not enough army size or something, which isn't the context here. Since we've established that no matter what we can do with the military it is futile in making the Ottomans hesitant to attack (and we would lose mega badly if they do) there is logically only three options.
Option 1, ally the Ottomans. This works very well, but because you are still small, you need to be fairly careful about what you conquer because if the Ottomans randomly deside that something you have is particularly high value for them this game you don't have enough pro-alliance things to outweigh this debuff and they will break the alliance. This happened to Hawk because the Ottomans really wanted what he himself wanted, and he was far too small to hold the alliance.
Option 2, create a massive anti-Ottoman alliance and use their combined military to dissuade the Ottomans. This is what Hawk tried, and while it can work, allies can be unpredictable, sometimes the Ottomans will attack anyway, and either way in this context your nation would be the literal battleground because you are at the centre. This also happened to Hawk.
Option 3 is not great. Its basically avoid anything that could make you desirable for an Ottoman invasion, and keep expanding and doing your own thing in other directions until you become a lot more powerful. Of course, this relies on a bit of luck and hope that the Ottomans don't attack you.
Anyway, if you wanted my opinion on a better choice of policy, I would probably have gone diplomatic instead. More diplomatic reputation, and more alliance relation slots, both to make the alliance bigger and also more likely to work. In the context of needing a deterrant against an Ottomans who is hostile towards you, I feel this would have been the much better play. Having another 6-8k men wasn't ever going to do anything because of the disparity. Having more allies that would actually join the call to arms would. Also, there is always a good chance the ottomans attacked "because" those two nations wouldn't join. After all humans can see that sort of information declaing war, so I assume the ai can? So even if diplo ideas didn't manage to stop the war entirely you would have more (geographically closer too) allies and there is always a decent chance the war itself never happens.
I can't remember "when" he took the policy; if he took quantity when the ottomans were still allies then it wasn't a bad choice and this is only hindsight talking. But if he took the policy after the alliance dropped then I do think the smarter thing would have been Diplomatic in that context.
@@rowanmales3430 man it was a headache to read this but I did..anyway I did this challenge -no in ironman- and took quantity but that was in previous game version and it worked ottomans ended their alliance with me anyway but never declare war...quantity makes your army cheaper to maintain which means you will recruit more
also he should've never fallen behind in mil tech (he needed some luck maybe with rulers)...imo he should've had Iraq as a vassal
@@Al-Basha_ Well, every game is different. I wasn't claiming it was impossible to do it, just that in his specific circumstances with the Ottomans actively hostile and alliances failing left and right quantity didn't seem like it did anything worthwhile (and it certainly didn't stop him getting attacked in his version).
I should add that I don't really regard the -5% army cost reduction as that good, since that is fairly small, and you will actually end up spending signficantly more money on military when you take quantity since you will be upkeeping more troops, even if each one is very slightly less costly. This matters when your economy isn't good like here. The -5% is a lot better when you have a large nation with 80-90k+ troops because it becomes quite substantial in ducats when you reach large numbers, I wouldn't have thought it that relevant in his playthrough.
You are absolutely right that he screwed himself with a mil tech disadvantage (against early game Ottomans at that!!), and it is noteworthy that all his allies were below mil tech too. That might not have helped, and I missed that myself lol.
Lastly, I just want to say that however helpful you thought quantity was in your setup, you probably need to reduce that helpfulness by 33% in the new update version he is playing. Quantity got hit with major nerfs with both Manpower and Forcelimit being halved from increases of +50% to increases of +25% instead. I would say half your perceived advantages, but the other less important modifiers are still there so...
Anyway I didn't expect you to actually try it so good on you. I was only going by theory, but predicting the ai is hardly foolproof.
yeah if AI thinks you're wear it will use those options.. i've seen it threten me with war to get a province
I had to try for myself. Ottomans beat me to conquering egypt but i managed to ally austria mid 1500's and it was easy after that. (no to mention the austrians got a PU on spain, after which it became speed 5 to the finish lolz). Also, having Timurids _> Mughals as an ally for almost all the game did nothing for me. They refused to join against the ottomans the entire game.
I did this achievement in 100 years without even really trying. Does the Otto ally strat not work anymore?
Send this to another EU4 TH-camr as a disaster save challenge.
I mean I would say same, but I thought that was an easy achieving, the one I have been struggling is Taungu and getting good rolls on most battles.
So cursed to see Ming in The Urals
Hey you still own Al-Raqqa, which is on of the best province shapes in my opinion
Holland is almost Holy Land right? Why not trying to form Jerusalem or become a crusader state?
Hello from Turkey/Hisn Kayfa (yes I am not joking haha) I was born there but I've never been live in there. Nowadays we call it Hasankeyf btw.
As Holland you should completely migrate to Indonesia and form Malaya
I honestly think you should redo this, this campaign deserves better.
Odds are you should've attacked elsewhere and then come back around to get the harder to conquer provinces when you were a lot stronger.
As for holland, why not be Hol-y and conquer the Papal States?
Great run :)
I think you probably would have had better luck as a Mamluk vassal then getting Otto support
Tell me Red Hawk, what is Jerusalem worth?