Rachmaninoff Moment Musicaux Op. 16, No. 4 Piano Tutorial Redo

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  • @oac121
    @oac121 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Thank you Jane :) Just one thing I picked up, on page 3, with the descending chromatic thirds, I don't think there's a D# at 6:02. Hope this helps

    • @janepianotutorials
      @janepianotutorials  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Glad you are careful and thanks for writing. I was unable to find a D# at 6:02. It’s difficult for me to find my own careless mistakes, same when I check math. Redoing the part in question works though. Strange phenomenon 😅

    • @janepianotutorials
      @janepianotutorials  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you, a new comment brought me back. You were right! This time I found it by setting the speed tool to 0.5x. Pinned your comment for others to see. ❤️

  • @MyPianoArchives
    @MyPianoArchives 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I love listening to this piece at this tempo to dissect it mentally before I try to play it physically. Thank you for your insight, as always, Jane! You’re a blessing to all the pianists around the world. 🖤

  • @РоссийскаяФедерация-б4я
    @РоссийскаяФедерация-б4я 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    I have to learn this piece spotless within a month

    • @janepianotutorials
      @janepianotutorials  4 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      With lots of practicing, you can do it! Fun project, right?

    • @rachmaninoff900
      @rachmaninoff900 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      How’s it going?

    • @pace_18
      @pace_18 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Update!

  • @__steven9452
    @__steven9452 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Jane, I really appreciate these videos you are making, thank you so much.

  • @kerawelt2008
    @kerawelt2008 4 ปีที่แล้ว +50

    The mere playing of this frightful piece at such reduced tempo is already a feat...

    • @janepianotutorials
      @janepianotutorials  4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Thanks, Schlomoh. Hope each note is correct this time :)

    • @Hukbriel
      @Hukbriel 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Absolutely, even the left hand at slow tempo is so emotional so sentimental... :)))

  • @gwaynebrouwn844
    @gwaynebrouwn844 4 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    My God it sounds even harder slowed down bcs you can hear all the changes and all the ways the left hand runs have to change and then the thought that you have to speed it up by 5/6 times or something its Just... AAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!! Perhaps this piece is Just too far above my level lmao

    • @janepianotutorials
      @janepianotutorials  4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Logical approach: Force yourself to obey a metronome. Set it to your competent speed. Upon each repeat, tick it up 1 bpm. With patience you will reach tempo and play evenly. Try it on 2 measures only to see how it works?

    • @gwaynebrouwn844
      @gwaynebrouwn844 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@janepianotutorials thank you🙇‍♂️

  • @neilramantoniojardimromcy
    @neilramantoniojardimromcy 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Thanks, Jane. Great piece and teaching.

  • @LalzJeNeSuis
    @LalzJeNeSuis 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    4:06 to 5:42 Reminder for a passage that I need to work on =)

  • @tansy69
    @tansy69 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I loved it! This tutorial really helped me a lot. Very organized playing! Thanks a lot. 😊😊

    • @janepianotutorials
      @janepianotutorials  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for your kind comment 😊

    • @tansy69
      @tansy69 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@janepianotutorials no problem!

  • @L4AH4N1889
    @L4AH4N1889 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    A real gem ! Thanks a lot !

  • @psh7193
    @psh7193 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Very VERY MUCH NEEDED! Thank you so much deary ❤️

  • @theflowersareblue4470
    @theflowersareblue4470 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Thank you for all the videos you post! This piece especially sparked my interest in piano. I may never reach this level of playing, but I hope to one day be able to play this. Till then I will keep practicing :)

    • @janepianotutorials
      @janepianotutorials  4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      This certainly is a motivating piece. Look forward to hearing that you achieved it.

  • @azatello2661
    @azatello2661 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It's easy to play, it's hard to play without mistakes)
    I've been playing this piece for 2 months

    • @janepianotutorials
      @janepianotutorials  ปีที่แล้ว

      Practice a section at a time, only the ones that cause trouble. Use a metronome, set it to your competent speed, then tick it up 1 bpm per repeat. Guaranteed to work 😊

    • @azatello2661
      @azatello2661 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@janepianotutorials thanks😉🎹

  • @erimfortin323
    @erimfortin323 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Can you do a tutorial for the n°6 ? Please please it is so beautiful!

    • @janepianotutorials
      @janepianotutorials  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Post under my request video or await many more votes 😊

    • @erimfortin323
      @erimfortin323 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thank you to persons Who like my comments !! This is my dream to plays this...

  • @MusicalMissCapri
    @MusicalMissCapri 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Cool! I'm going to listen for the repairs and figure out if I need to change what I've memorized. :)

    • @janepianotutorials
      @janepianotutorials  4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Hey Miss Capri. Sorry to have misled. Appreciate you being so understanding and forgiving. Love you!

    • @MusicalMissCapri
      @MusicalMissCapri 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@janepianotutorials Aww! You're welcome, Jane! Lol It's a fairly common occurrence to get something learned correctly when learning by ear anyway, and it'll do me a lot of good. I'll be having to slow down to learn the corrections, which means accuracy will be more easily attained when I pick up the tempo again. This and Ocean Etude still require a lot of work. But I love them. Love you too. :) And there are different performances where one does it one way, the other another, and with this busy piece, there are so many notes.

  • @zcu8404
    @zcu8404 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    1:24 (self-practising)

  • @marc3260
    @marc3260 4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    great playing, but on many places the right hand has to be in between the left hand and not everything together. For example on the beginning where you play the h (right hand). That has to be in between the left hand so between a# and h. That goes for the whole piece where u have those "single" 16th notes in the right hand. But other than that great tutorial :)

    • @janepianotutorials
      @janepianotutorials  4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      The confusion is due to lack of proper notation. As a math person, I took each 1/16 as 1/24 (1/6 of a quarter note). Musicians do not have separate notation for 1/3, 1/6, 1/12, 1/24 ... notes, they use arcs above the 3 and 6 to denote those. They could have used triangles instead of round dots! To further prove my point, pause at 4:53. In that first measure, if we take that rest as an 1/16 rest, the other 5 RH notes cannot be played simultaneously with the LH (you must have counted my way there). Indeed, that rest must be taken as a 1/24 rest. The same can be seen in the 2nd measure where, if you truly use the quarter note and 1/16 rest count, the entire measure will be so messed up! [EDIT 1/23/2023] A new comment brought be back here. I happen to be making a tutorial for the Bach French Suite 4 Courante. It illustrates a similar situation, also caused by lack of proper notation.

    • @janepianotutorials
      @janepianotutorials  4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Has anyone else ever mentioned 1/3 notes or 1/24 rests? I analyze and reason things out for myself.

    • @marc3260
      @marc3260 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@janepianotutorials idk that much about music theory. In my comment I just said what my teacher told me.

    • @janepianotutorials
      @janepianotutorials  4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      It has nothing to do with music theory. It’s 4th grade math. To avoid trouble, just do what your teacher says. Hope at least you understood my reasoning 😊

    • @Li-yt7zh
      @Li-yt7zh 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Jane, I believe I see where the confusion lies - from the 1st bar, the bass line is 16th notes grouped into sextuplets, four to a bar in common time, therefore you are right to treat each of those as a 1/24 note with the beat halfway through each bar; However, as the right hand comes in bar two as a 16th note which looks like it should match up to the last baseline 16th note, it is actually an original common time 16th note still, and not in a sextuplet grouping or any other grouping, so the commenter is right about placing it ahead of the last bass note. I find the most natural and intuitive way to track the melody beat with the baseline beat is to count in the common time, squishing in the bassnotes 2 beats per measure (knowing they total 24) by feel, but avoiding any beat accenting, then playing the R.H. melody timed as written for 2/2, going with the flow and if it helps, applying a bit of rubato to the R.H./melody ONLY. Does this make sense or am I way off as well? I think purposefully stressing the melody volume-wise above the broken chromatic baseline could help with learning the timing pattern, even if the stressing is just done in the mind and not actually played overly harsh :D

  • @MichaelMommyMilkers
    @MichaelMommyMilkers 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    You are the best for posting this!!!

  • @guslom0882
    @guslom0882 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Jane!!! Thank u for this video, it's a great help for my practice. I've got a problem with the bars like 8, both hands play exactly the same and i want to speed up that section very clear.

    • @janepianotutorials
      @janepianotutorials  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You’re very welcome, Guslom. Good luck finishing the piece!

  • @dreamernaturallife5095
    @dreamernaturallife5095 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    How we count it? I mean:: ||| 3 |||3 = 6
    SO TWO GROUPS OF TRIO ?

    • @janepianotutorials
      @janepianotutorials  4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Can think of it that way. Study my sight reading lesson 9 on counting. I teach as a math teacher.

    • @dreamernaturallife5095
      @dreamernaturallife5095 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@janepianotutorials thank you a lot

  • @danielmessias9139
    @danielmessias9139 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you, Jane!

  • @Davitmusic
    @Davitmusic 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    On minute 9:00 why don't you hold the sound on the left hand and repeat it in the second tact?

  • @Clayinator2000
    @Clayinator2000 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Have you/could you do Rachmaninoff prelude in csharp minor?(I think is what it is)
    It's my favorite piano piece and for some reason my head cannot wrap behind the chord theory

    • @janepianotutorials
      @janepianotutorials  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Must have done that. Did you use my website search box?

    • @Clayinator2000
      @Clayinator2000 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@janepianotutorials just did, found it. Thanks so much!

  • @yuvalmolad7145
    @yuvalmolad7145 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    On 6:01 isn't it supposed to be a natural d?

    • @janepianotutorials
      @janepianotutorials  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thanks so much, you seconded the pinned comment. ❤️

  • @vishtayeganeh174
    @vishtayeganeh174 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi,
    I wish I could understand measure 48
    I can not find 4/4 in right hand for the notes with up right stems .

    • @janepianotutorials
      @janepianotutorials  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Could you provide a timestamp please? 😊

    • @vishtayeganeh174
      @vishtayeganeh174 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@janepianotutorials i do not know what this is.
      When we look at measure 48 I should see and count 4/4 ( signature) but there is not or this is something I should learn

    • @janepianotutorials
      @janepianotutorials  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@vishtayeganeh174 Measure numbers do not appear on the video. The timestamp is the time (minutes and seconds) count shown on the bottom left of the video. It makes it easier to find what you are asking about.

    • @vishtayeganeh174
      @vishtayeganeh174 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@janepianotutorials 12:50

    • @janepianotutorials
      @janepianotutorials  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@vishtayeganeh174 this is 4/4. In layman terms: Think of 3 people simultaneously playing on 3 pianos. The 1st piano plays the 1st and last notes of that measure. The 3rd piano plays the base line. The middle part belongs to the 2nd piano. Hope that makes sense 😊

  • @Ignacio_67
    @Ignacio_67 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I love it. Thank you!

    • @janepianotutorials
      @janepianotutorials  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      So glad! Thanks for writing ❤️

  • @erimfortin323
    @erimfortin323 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This is a reupload ??

  • @joudmansour8777
    @joudmansour8777 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi im struggling in bars 7,8 and 9 in page 2 in keeping up with the rhythm i tried it to play it fast but the rhythm seems off i even tried slowing down the tempo

    • @janepianotutorials
      @janepianotutorials  ปีที่แล้ว

      Set the metronome to your competent speed (both hands with all notes correct), then increase the best by 1 bpm upon each repeat. It should work. Good luck!

  • @4lround3r
    @4lround3r 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I always have a problem with the finger positions, the numbers on the paper don't always fit to me so I'm never sure how to use the right fingers

    • @janepianotutorials
      @janepianotutorials  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Same with me, we have to use trial and error to find what suits our hands. Best is to print a hard copy so we can use a pencil and eraser to find what works.

    • @4lround3r
      @4lround3r 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@janepianotutorials Thank you for your reply, I appreciate it! Yes exactly, I also try to find what fits best.

  • @tobefree8510
    @tobefree8510 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Great teaching on a master piece :)

  • @AndreWeissOfficial
    @AndreWeissOfficial ปีที่แล้ว

    Isn’t the right hand playing 16notes against the 16note Triplets??

  • @CanSakkaoglu
    @CanSakkaoglu ปีที่แล้ว

    The 16 ths in the right hand isn't the same as the sextuplets in the left hand so the melody has to go in between the last two notes of the left hand sextuplets)

    • @janepianotutorials
      @janepianotutorials  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for writing. Earlier comments addressed this matter. Please listen to videos of concert pianists. I'm an amateur.

  • @현피아니스트
    @현피아니스트 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you ❤

  • @danazreal
    @danazreal 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    3:27 6:14 6:45 7:47 9:20

  • @berkaysefer
    @berkaysefer 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    very helpfull thanks

    • @janepianotutorials
      @janepianotutorials  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Glad it helped, thanks for letting me know

  • @BRAVE_N3W_W0RLD
    @BRAVE_N3W_W0RLD 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    you're so awesome!!!!

  • @AmigoLate
    @AmigoLate 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Lvl?

    • @janepianotutorials
      @janepianotutorials  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Did I forget to put it in the description? Please check the old version.

    • @AmigoLate
      @AmigoLate 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Jane ty

  • @lambdadelta821
    @lambdadelta821 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    15:40

  • @robertmaier7918
    @robertmaier7918 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    In my opinion the sextoles need to be considered from the very beginning of the practice, not as single notes

    • @janepianotutorials
      @janepianotutorials  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes, this is just for occasional note checking

  • @annazully2680
    @annazully2680 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    one day… for now i will just work on ah! vous dirai-je, maman 😭

    • @janepianotutorials
      @janepianotutorials  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Wonderful … it’s nice to have a piece to look forward to learning

  • @erimfortin323
    @erimfortin323 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Please please please please , can you do the no 6, this is my Dream since a long time!! I have finish the no 4 but my love is realy the no 6!! Please please , if you do the no 6, i will post a video of my version dedicated only for you !! Thank a lot Jane ❤

    • @janepianotutorials
      @janepianotutorials  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Will add your request to that webpage and await more votes. Your country? Question: are you following the score or playing by ear?

    • @erimfortin323
      @erimfortin323 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@janepianotutorials ok i Make the request , thank you Again !!!!

    • @erimfortin323
      @erimfortin323 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@janepianotutorials I playing by ear, i have a lot of difficulties to read a partition properly, particularly with this pièces (scales for exemple )

    • @janepianotutorials
      @janepianotutorials  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      If you post under my request video, viewers can add their vote. Votes from various countries will move the piece up the wait list. Winding down the project, am concentrating on intermediate pedagogy pieces. Rachmaninoff is too painful for me 😊

    • @erimfortin323
      @erimfortin323 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@janepianotutorials ah okay, the moments musicaux no 6 is very less painful than the n4 thant you do already perfectly !😄

  • @coy2960
    @coy2960 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The fact that i want to go from prelude op 3 no 2 to this makes me wonder if im a pyschopath

    • @janepianotutorials
      @janepianotutorials  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      😂

    • @coy2960
      @coy2960 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@janepianotutorials jokes aside, you are REALLY helpful to me. ive been playing the piano for two years and this is the perfect "etude" for me. without you showing me the fingering i wouldnt be able to even try to play it. ill comment again in 6 months and see what ive done.

    • @janepianotutorials
      @janepianotutorials  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@coy2960 I think you can do it, same principle as machine learning: repeat, reward, repeat, reward, ....looking forward to hearing your performance 😊

    • @coy2960
      @coy2960 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@janepianotutorials will do, practicing 5 hours a day on this piece to reach my goal

    • @janepianotutorials
      @janepianotutorials  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@coy2960 oh my, where do you find time? never in my life have I practiced 5 hrs in a day! 1 hr at most when taking lessons. Remember to take breaks so as not to hurt your back

  • @danieldesa6901
    @danieldesa6901 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love your videos!! Can you please teach us the Beethoven's sonata op 10 n2 ?

    • @janepianotutorials
      @janepianotutorials  4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The entire sonata? Your country? Post your request under my request video to get votes?

  • @evanwoods4074
    @evanwoods4074 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    1:24

  • @ironaze27
    @ironaze27 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    👏👏👏

  • @Hukbriel
    @Hukbriel 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you so much for this tutorial, Im learning very Well And can you do a tutorial for Moment Musicaux op 16 N 1( Andantino) is beautifull, Thanks so much! : D

    • @janepianotutorials
      @janepianotutorials  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      You’re welcome, Gabriel. Your request will get lost here. Post it under my request video, then others can vote on it 😊

  • @siyuanouyang2872
    @siyuanouyang2872 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you so much!

  • @jeromepages1042
    @jeromepages1042 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Je ne comprends pas l'intérêt de ces vidéos... A ce niveau on sait lire les notes, pas besoin d'un type qui joue à 20% de la vitesse...

    • @janepianotutorials
      @janepianotutorials  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Many students find my tutorials helpful for double-checking notes, even if they can already read music-after all, everyone makes mistakes! Plus, it’s incredible how many viewers who play by ear can learn these pieces without any background in reading music. Their ability to pick up these pieces is like a form of machine learning. There’s some amazing talent out there!

    • @butwhatwouldiknow
      @butwhatwouldiknow หลายเดือนก่อน

      Totally agree - my jaw dropped when I saw this. It would be well less than 20% of the tempo ( most versions online are just over 3 mins instead of this laborious 18!) and doesn't teach any shaping, balance, pedalling, interpretation, dynamics etc. Did I mention technique lol?.. Besides which, the sensation of playing it up to speed is nothing like the video. If you need a video like this to learn difficult music you are simply aiming way too high IMHO. Why on earth wouldn't you learn something manageable? The gulf (and number of hours) between this and a finished performance is gargantuan. I am amazed how many people have latched on, but frankly have huge trouble believing that more than one or two ever get very far (happy to be proven wrong by any video posters who learned it from this!). 'Machine learning' as referred to will teach muscle memory but that is almost certainly going to let you down when the subtle differences between the recurrences of the material appear. For that you need a complete understanding of the architecture of the piece. As for the person who says she has been playing for two years and doesn't do that much practice - tell her she's dreaming! Each to his own, and I don't like to pour cold water, but a dose of reality wouldn't go amiss!

  • @itsthejews1
    @itsthejews1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Not sure what people get from this. If you are learning this i assume you can read music.

    • @janepianotutorials
      @janepianotutorials  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I read music and I make mistakes. You don’t ? These tutorials are for occasional reference. Read Ms Capri’s comment and hear her amazing performances? Also, many who do not read music are able to learn these pieces by rote. Search and you will find. It is wonderful that those who play by ear are able to play classical pieces due to synthesia tutorials.

    • @itsthejews1
      @itsthejews1 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@janepianotutorials i see. Good for them. It never occured to me that people could try to pull that off. Anyone who love this music enough to try has my love and respect.

    • @butwhatwouldiknow
      @butwhatwouldiknow หลายเดือนก่อน

      They will get very little. - it's not music for deluded amateurs and the wrong pedagogical approach can be very damaging, both psychologically and physically.

  • @nsea
    @nsea 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    At 7 minutes so far, wish me luck

  • @Moni_kis
    @Moni_kis 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very difficult left hand

  • @awesomechaos2048
    @awesomechaos2048 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    First

  • @awesomechaos2048
    @awesomechaos2048 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    First