Glad you are careful and thanks for writing. I was unable to find a D# at 6:02. It’s difficult for me to find my own careless mistakes, same when I check math. Redoing the part in question works though. Strange phenomenon 😅
Thank you, a new comment brought me back. You were right! This time I found it by setting the speed tool to 0.5x. Pinned your comment for others to see. ❤️
I love listening to this piece at this tempo to dissect it mentally before I try to play it physically. Thank you for your insight, as always, Jane! You’re a blessing to all the pianists around the world. 🖤
My God it sounds even harder slowed down bcs you can hear all the changes and all the ways the left hand runs have to change and then the thought that you have to speed it up by 5/6 times or something its Just... AAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!! Perhaps this piece is Just too far above my level lmao
Logical approach: Force yourself to obey a metronome. Set it to your competent speed. Upon each repeat, tick it up 1 bpm. With patience you will reach tempo and play evenly. Try it on 2 measures only to see how it works?
Thank you for all the videos you post! This piece especially sparked my interest in piano. I may never reach this level of playing, but I hope to one day be able to play this. Till then I will keep practicing :)
Practice a section at a time, only the ones that cause trouble. Use a metronome, set it to your competent speed, then tick it up 1 bpm per repeat. Guaranteed to work 😊
@@janepianotutorials Aww! You're welcome, Jane! Lol It's a fairly common occurrence to get something learned correctly when learning by ear anyway, and it'll do me a lot of good. I'll be having to slow down to learn the corrections, which means accuracy will be more easily attained when I pick up the tempo again. This and Ocean Etude still require a lot of work. But I love them. Love you too. :) And there are different performances where one does it one way, the other another, and with this busy piece, there are so many notes.
great playing, but on many places the right hand has to be in between the left hand and not everything together. For example on the beginning where you play the h (right hand). That has to be in between the left hand so between a# and h. That goes for the whole piece where u have those "single" 16th notes in the right hand. But other than that great tutorial :)
The confusion is due to lack of proper notation. As a math person, I took each 1/16 as 1/24 (1/6 of a quarter note). Musicians do not have separate notation for 1/3, 1/6, 1/12, 1/24 ... notes, they use arcs above the 3 and 6 to denote those. They could have used triangles instead of round dots! To further prove my point, pause at 4:53. In that first measure, if we take that rest as an 1/16 rest, the other 5 RH notes cannot be played simultaneously with the LH (you must have counted my way there). Indeed, that rest must be taken as a 1/24 rest. The same can be seen in the 2nd measure where, if you truly use the quarter note and 1/16 rest count, the entire measure will be so messed up! [EDIT 1/23/2023] A new comment brought be back here. I happen to be making a tutorial for the Bach French Suite 4 Courante. It illustrates a similar situation, also caused by lack of proper notation.
It has nothing to do with music theory. It’s 4th grade math. To avoid trouble, just do what your teacher says. Hope at least you understood my reasoning 😊
Jane, I believe I see where the confusion lies - from the 1st bar, the bass line is 16th notes grouped into sextuplets, four to a bar in common time, therefore you are right to treat each of those as a 1/24 note with the beat halfway through each bar; However, as the right hand comes in bar two as a 16th note which looks like it should match up to the last baseline 16th note, it is actually an original common time 16th note still, and not in a sextuplet grouping or any other grouping, so the commenter is right about placing it ahead of the last bass note. I find the most natural and intuitive way to track the melody beat with the baseline beat is to count in the common time, squishing in the bassnotes 2 beats per measure (knowing they total 24) by feel, but avoiding any beat accenting, then playing the R.H. melody timed as written for 2/2, going with the flow and if it helps, applying a bit of rubato to the R.H./melody ONLY. Does this make sense or am I way off as well? I think purposefully stressing the melody volume-wise above the broken chromatic baseline could help with learning the timing pattern, even if the stressing is just done in the mind and not actually played overly harsh :D
Jane!!! Thank u for this video, it's a great help for my practice. I've got a problem with the bars like 8, both hands play exactly the same and i want to speed up that section very clear.
Have you/could you do Rachmaninoff prelude in csharp minor?(I think is what it is) It's my favorite piano piece and for some reason my head cannot wrap behind the chord theory
@@janepianotutorials i do not know what this is. When we look at measure 48 I should see and count 4/4 ( signature) but there is not or this is something I should learn
@@vishtayeganeh174 Measure numbers do not appear on the video. The timestamp is the time (minutes and seconds) count shown on the bottom left of the video. It makes it easier to find what you are asking about.
@@vishtayeganeh174 this is 4/4. In layman terms: Think of 3 people simultaneously playing on 3 pianos. The 1st piano plays the 1st and last notes of that measure. The 3rd piano plays the base line. The middle part belongs to the 2nd piano. Hope that makes sense 😊
Hi im struggling in bars 7,8 and 9 in page 2 in keeping up with the rhythm i tried it to play it fast but the rhythm seems off i even tried slowing down the tempo
Set the metronome to your competent speed (both hands with all notes correct), then increase the best by 1 bpm upon each repeat. It should work. Good luck!
Same with me, we have to use trial and error to find what suits our hands. Best is to print a hard copy so we can use a pencil and eraser to find what works.
The 16 ths in the right hand isn't the same as the sextuplets in the left hand so the melody has to go in between the last two notes of the left hand sextuplets)
Please please please please , can you do the no 6, this is my Dream since a long time!! I have finish the no 4 but my love is realy the no 6!! Please please , if you do the no 6, i will post a video of my version dedicated only for you !! Thank a lot Jane ❤
If you post under my request video, viewers can add their vote. Votes from various countries will move the piece up the wait list. Winding down the project, am concentrating on intermediate pedagogy pieces. Rachmaninoff is too painful for me 😊
@@janepianotutorials jokes aside, you are REALLY helpful to me. ive been playing the piano for two years and this is the perfect "etude" for me. without you showing me the fingering i wouldnt be able to even try to play it. ill comment again in 6 months and see what ive done.
@@coy2960 oh my, where do you find time? never in my life have I practiced 5 hrs in a day! 1 hr at most when taking lessons. Remember to take breaks so as not to hurt your back
Thank you so much for this tutorial, Im learning very Well And can you do a tutorial for Moment Musicaux op 16 N 1( Andantino) is beautifull, Thanks so much! : D
Many students find my tutorials helpful for double-checking notes, even if they can already read music-after all, everyone makes mistakes! Plus, it’s incredible how many viewers who play by ear can learn these pieces without any background in reading music. Their ability to pick up these pieces is like a form of machine learning. There’s some amazing talent out there!
Totally agree - my jaw dropped when I saw this. It would be well less than 20% of the tempo ( most versions online are just over 3 mins instead of this laborious 18!) and doesn't teach any shaping, balance, pedalling, interpretation, dynamics etc. Did I mention technique lol?.. Besides which, the sensation of playing it up to speed is nothing like the video. If you need a video like this to learn difficult music you are simply aiming way too high IMHO. Why on earth wouldn't you learn something manageable? The gulf (and number of hours) between this and a finished performance is gargantuan. I am amazed how many people have latched on, but frankly have huge trouble believing that more than one or two ever get very far (happy to be proven wrong by any video posters who learned it from this!). 'Machine learning' as referred to will teach muscle memory but that is almost certainly going to let you down when the subtle differences between the recurrences of the material appear. For that you need a complete understanding of the architecture of the piece. As for the person who says she has been playing for two years and doesn't do that much practice - tell her she's dreaming! Each to his own, and I don't like to pour cold water, but a dose of reality wouldn't go amiss!
I read music and I make mistakes. You don’t ? These tutorials are for occasional reference. Read Ms Capri’s comment and hear her amazing performances? Also, many who do not read music are able to learn these pieces by rote. Search and you will find. It is wonderful that those who play by ear are able to play classical pieces due to synthesia tutorials.
@@janepianotutorials i see. Good for them. It never occured to me that people could try to pull that off. Anyone who love this music enough to try has my love and respect.
They will get very little. - it's not music for deluded amateurs and the wrong pedagogical approach can be very damaging, both psychologically and physically.
Thank you Jane :) Just one thing I picked up, on page 3, with the descending chromatic thirds, I don't think there's a D# at 6:02. Hope this helps
Glad you are careful and thanks for writing. I was unable to find a D# at 6:02. It’s difficult for me to find my own careless mistakes, same when I check math. Redoing the part in question works though. Strange phenomenon 😅
Thank you, a new comment brought me back. You were right! This time I found it by setting the speed tool to 0.5x. Pinned your comment for others to see. ❤️
I love listening to this piece at this tempo to dissect it mentally before I try to play it physically. Thank you for your insight, as always, Jane! You’re a blessing to all the pianists around the world. 🖤
Appreciate your kind words, Vajanyi !
I have to learn this piece spotless within a month
With lots of practicing, you can do it! Fun project, right?
How’s it going?
Update!
Jane, I really appreciate these videos you are making, thank you so much.
Appreciate your kind message, Steven...
The mere playing of this frightful piece at such reduced tempo is already a feat...
Thanks, Schlomoh. Hope each note is correct this time :)
Absolutely, even the left hand at slow tempo is so emotional so sentimental... :)))
My God it sounds even harder slowed down bcs you can hear all the changes and all the ways the left hand runs have to change and then the thought that you have to speed it up by 5/6 times or something its Just... AAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!! Perhaps this piece is Just too far above my level lmao
Logical approach: Force yourself to obey a metronome. Set it to your competent speed. Upon each repeat, tick it up 1 bpm. With patience you will reach tempo and play evenly. Try it on 2 measures only to see how it works?
@@janepianotutorials thank you🙇♂️
Thanks, Jane. Great piece and teaching.
You’re welcome, Neilram.
4:06 to 5:42 Reminder for a passage that I need to work on =)
I loved it! This tutorial really helped me a lot. Very organized playing! Thanks a lot. 😊😊
Thanks for your kind comment 😊
@@janepianotutorials no problem!
A real gem ! Thanks a lot !
Thank you 😊
Very VERY MUCH NEEDED! Thank you so much deary ❤️
Glad it was helpful!
Thank you for all the videos you post! This piece especially sparked my interest in piano. I may never reach this level of playing, but I hope to one day be able to play this. Till then I will keep practicing :)
This certainly is a motivating piece. Look forward to hearing that you achieved it.
It's easy to play, it's hard to play without mistakes)
I've been playing this piece for 2 months
Practice a section at a time, only the ones that cause trouble. Use a metronome, set it to your competent speed, then tick it up 1 bpm per repeat. Guaranteed to work 😊
@@janepianotutorials thanks😉🎹
Can you do a tutorial for the n°6 ? Please please it is so beautiful!
Post under my request video or await many more votes 😊
Thank you to persons Who like my comments !! This is my dream to plays this...
Cool! I'm going to listen for the repairs and figure out if I need to change what I've memorized. :)
Hey Miss Capri. Sorry to have misled. Appreciate you being so understanding and forgiving. Love you!
@@janepianotutorials Aww! You're welcome, Jane! Lol It's a fairly common occurrence to get something learned correctly when learning by ear anyway, and it'll do me a lot of good. I'll be having to slow down to learn the corrections, which means accuracy will be more easily attained when I pick up the tempo again. This and Ocean Etude still require a lot of work. But I love them. Love you too. :) And there are different performances where one does it one way, the other another, and with this busy piece, there are so many notes.
1:24 (self-practising)
great playing, but on many places the right hand has to be in between the left hand and not everything together. For example on the beginning where you play the h (right hand). That has to be in between the left hand so between a# and h. That goes for the whole piece where u have those "single" 16th notes in the right hand. But other than that great tutorial :)
The confusion is due to lack of proper notation. As a math person, I took each 1/16 as 1/24 (1/6 of a quarter note). Musicians do not have separate notation for 1/3, 1/6, 1/12, 1/24 ... notes, they use arcs above the 3 and 6 to denote those. They could have used triangles instead of round dots! To further prove my point, pause at 4:53. In that first measure, if we take that rest as an 1/16 rest, the other 5 RH notes cannot be played simultaneously with the LH (you must have counted my way there). Indeed, that rest must be taken as a 1/24 rest. The same can be seen in the 2nd measure where, if you truly use the quarter note and 1/16 rest count, the entire measure will be so messed up! [EDIT 1/23/2023] A new comment brought be back here. I happen to be making a tutorial for the Bach French Suite 4 Courante. It illustrates a similar situation, also caused by lack of proper notation.
Has anyone else ever mentioned 1/3 notes or 1/24 rests? I analyze and reason things out for myself.
@@janepianotutorials idk that much about music theory. In my comment I just said what my teacher told me.
It has nothing to do with music theory. It’s 4th grade math. To avoid trouble, just do what your teacher says. Hope at least you understood my reasoning 😊
Jane, I believe I see where the confusion lies - from the 1st bar, the bass line is 16th notes grouped into sextuplets, four to a bar in common time, therefore you are right to treat each of those as a 1/24 note with the beat halfway through each bar; However, as the right hand comes in bar two as a 16th note which looks like it should match up to the last baseline 16th note, it is actually an original common time 16th note still, and not in a sextuplet grouping or any other grouping, so the commenter is right about placing it ahead of the last bass note. I find the most natural and intuitive way to track the melody beat with the baseline beat is to count in the common time, squishing in the bassnotes 2 beats per measure (knowing they total 24) by feel, but avoiding any beat accenting, then playing the R.H. melody timed as written for 2/2, going with the flow and if it helps, applying a bit of rubato to the R.H./melody ONLY. Does this make sense or am I way off as well? I think purposefully stressing the melody volume-wise above the broken chromatic baseline could help with learning the timing pattern, even if the stressing is just done in the mind and not actually played overly harsh :D
You are the best for posting this!!!
Thanks Jose! Have fun practicing
Jane!!! Thank u for this video, it's a great help for my practice. I've got a problem with the bars like 8, both hands play exactly the same and i want to speed up that section very clear.
You’re very welcome, Guslom. Good luck finishing the piece!
How we count it? I mean:: ||| 3 |||3 = 6
SO TWO GROUPS OF TRIO ?
Can think of it that way. Study my sight reading lesson 9 on counting. I teach as a math teacher.
@@janepianotutorials thank you a lot
Thank you, Jane!
You are so welcome, Daniel
On minute 9:00 why don't you hold the sound on the left hand and repeat it in the second tact?
Made a mistake? Trust your score, not me 😊
Have you/could you do Rachmaninoff prelude in csharp minor?(I think is what it is)
It's my favorite piano piece and for some reason my head cannot wrap behind the chord theory
Must have done that. Did you use my website search box?
@@janepianotutorials just did, found it. Thanks so much!
On 6:01 isn't it supposed to be a natural d?
Thanks so much, you seconded the pinned comment. ❤️
Hi,
I wish I could understand measure 48
I can not find 4/4 in right hand for the notes with up right stems .
Could you provide a timestamp please? 😊
@@janepianotutorials i do not know what this is.
When we look at measure 48 I should see and count 4/4 ( signature) but there is not or this is something I should learn
@@vishtayeganeh174 Measure numbers do not appear on the video. The timestamp is the time (minutes and seconds) count shown on the bottom left of the video. It makes it easier to find what you are asking about.
@@janepianotutorials 12:50
@@vishtayeganeh174 this is 4/4. In layman terms: Think of 3 people simultaneously playing on 3 pianos. The 1st piano plays the 1st and last notes of that measure. The 3rd piano plays the base line. The middle part belongs to the 2nd piano. Hope that makes sense 😊
I love it. Thank you!
So glad! Thanks for writing ❤️
This is a reupload ??
Yes
Yes, 3 or 4 mistakes in the old one. too many!
@@janepianotutorials tank you so Much for your works !!
Hi im struggling in bars 7,8 and 9 in page 2 in keeping up with the rhythm i tried it to play it fast but the rhythm seems off i even tried slowing down the tempo
Set the metronome to your competent speed (both hands with all notes correct), then increase the best by 1 bpm upon each repeat. It should work. Good luck!
I always have a problem with the finger positions, the numbers on the paper don't always fit to me so I'm never sure how to use the right fingers
Same with me, we have to use trial and error to find what suits our hands. Best is to print a hard copy so we can use a pencil and eraser to find what works.
@@janepianotutorials Thank you for your reply, I appreciate it! Yes exactly, I also try to find what fits best.
Great teaching on a master piece :)
Thank you, D.
Isn’t the right hand playing 16notes against the 16note Triplets??
Yes, according to the thumbnail
The 16 ths in the right hand isn't the same as the sextuplets in the left hand so the melody has to go in between the last two notes of the left hand sextuplets)
Thanks for writing. Earlier comments addressed this matter. Please listen to videos of concert pianists. I'm an amateur.
Thank you ❤
You're welcome 😊❤️
3:27 6:14 6:45 7:47 9:20
very helpfull thanks
Glad it helped, thanks for letting me know
you're so awesome!!!!
Thanks again ... 😊
Lvl?
Did I forget to put it in the description? Please check the old version.
Jane ty
15:40
In my opinion the sextoles need to be considered from the very beginning of the practice, not as single notes
Yes, this is just for occasional note checking
one day… for now i will just work on ah! vous dirai-je, maman 😭
Wonderful … it’s nice to have a piece to look forward to learning
Please please please please , can you do the no 6, this is my Dream since a long time!! I have finish the no 4 but my love is realy the no 6!! Please please , if you do the no 6, i will post a video of my version dedicated only for you !! Thank a lot Jane ❤
Will add your request to that webpage and await more votes. Your country? Question: are you following the score or playing by ear?
@@janepianotutorials ok i Make the request , thank you Again !!!!
@@janepianotutorials I playing by ear, i have a lot of difficulties to read a partition properly, particularly with this pièces (scales for exemple )
If you post under my request video, viewers can add their vote. Votes from various countries will move the piece up the wait list. Winding down the project, am concentrating on intermediate pedagogy pieces. Rachmaninoff is too painful for me 😊
@@janepianotutorials ah okay, the moments musicaux no 6 is very less painful than the n4 thant you do already perfectly !😄
The fact that i want to go from prelude op 3 no 2 to this makes me wonder if im a pyschopath
😂
@@janepianotutorials jokes aside, you are REALLY helpful to me. ive been playing the piano for two years and this is the perfect "etude" for me. without you showing me the fingering i wouldnt be able to even try to play it. ill comment again in 6 months and see what ive done.
@@coy2960 I think you can do it, same principle as machine learning: repeat, reward, repeat, reward, ....looking forward to hearing your performance 😊
@@janepianotutorials will do, practicing 5 hours a day on this piece to reach my goal
@@coy2960 oh my, where do you find time? never in my life have I practiced 5 hrs in a day! 1 hr at most when taking lessons. Remember to take breaks so as not to hurt your back
I love your videos!! Can you please teach us the Beethoven's sonata op 10 n2 ?
The entire sonata? Your country? Post your request under my request video to get votes?
1:24
👏👏👏
Thank you!
Thank you so much for this tutorial, Im learning very Well And can you do a tutorial for Moment Musicaux op 16 N 1( Andantino) is beautifull, Thanks so much! : D
You’re welcome, Gabriel. Your request will get lost here. Post it under my request video, then others can vote on it 😊
Thank you so much!
You're welcome!☺️
Je ne comprends pas l'intérêt de ces vidéos... A ce niveau on sait lire les notes, pas besoin d'un type qui joue à 20% de la vitesse...
Many students find my tutorials helpful for double-checking notes, even if they can already read music-after all, everyone makes mistakes! Plus, it’s incredible how many viewers who play by ear can learn these pieces without any background in reading music. Their ability to pick up these pieces is like a form of machine learning. There’s some amazing talent out there!
Totally agree - my jaw dropped when I saw this. It would be well less than 20% of the tempo ( most versions online are just over 3 mins instead of this laborious 18!) and doesn't teach any shaping, balance, pedalling, interpretation, dynamics etc. Did I mention technique lol?.. Besides which, the sensation of playing it up to speed is nothing like the video. If you need a video like this to learn difficult music you are simply aiming way too high IMHO. Why on earth wouldn't you learn something manageable? The gulf (and number of hours) between this and a finished performance is gargantuan. I am amazed how many people have latched on, but frankly have huge trouble believing that more than one or two ever get very far (happy to be proven wrong by any video posters who learned it from this!). 'Machine learning' as referred to will teach muscle memory but that is almost certainly going to let you down when the subtle differences between the recurrences of the material appear. For that you need a complete understanding of the architecture of the piece. As for the person who says she has been playing for two years and doesn't do that much practice - tell her she's dreaming! Each to his own, and I don't like to pour cold water, but a dose of reality wouldn't go amiss!
Not sure what people get from this. If you are learning this i assume you can read music.
I read music and I make mistakes. You don’t ? These tutorials are for occasional reference. Read Ms Capri’s comment and hear her amazing performances? Also, many who do not read music are able to learn these pieces by rote. Search and you will find. It is wonderful that those who play by ear are able to play classical pieces due to synthesia tutorials.
@@janepianotutorials i see. Good for them. It never occured to me that people could try to pull that off. Anyone who love this music enough to try has my love and respect.
They will get very little. - it's not music for deluded amateurs and the wrong pedagogical approach can be very damaging, both psychologically and physically.
At 7 minutes so far, wish me luck
Wishing you luck 😊
Very difficult left hand
Rach works are difficult ...
First
congrats :)
First
Ok
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