Money. Trend chasing. Sums it up. Ended up screwing themselves over in the end. They wanted to be US corporate rock, when late 80s corporate died off in favor of grunge, so did The Cult.
@@Strimbles Comically bad take. Rubin wrecked everything that was The Cult and made them a bad AC/DC vanity act. Anyone with an sense of appreciation of alternative music generally sees that. The Cult wasn't about "Balls." They were more about the swirling stuff between the notes. Rubin stripped what made them special for low wattage mulletheads.
Yes, but Electric stands out like a sore thumb between Love and Sonic Temple. Peace just bridged the gap better, IMO. No harm in loving Electric. Just my opinion.
@@carpal08 Ian's voice sounds just odd to me, against these stripped down arrangements. Love had so much atmosphere, and this does too. It's relaxing in a way. I will say this though, Rick's style of production sounds better with Electric, compared to how it sounds on Slayer's albums.
I’m glad Electric and Electric (Manor Sessions) exist. It’s a good at to look in from a couple of different angles to see what the artists were up to. I find different versions of the various songs to be interesting depending on my mood.
What a chorus, totally agree, this sounds so much better, it's huge, sometimes a Rubin production works, Electric did on some levels, but it didn't show The Cult in their total majesty of making soundscapes, sometimes Rubin just needs to sit back and not turn amazing bands in on themselves, The Cult Manor Sessions shows you that, yeah, Electric was good, but imagine if they kept these, how would they have evolved again, anyway, doesn't matter, only my daft opinion, what I do know is, The Cult are one of thee best bands to come out of Britain, PERIOD!.
Good lord! Long time Cult fan from the 80s. Electric was my anthem for years! Please tell me where I can get this original version of Peace Dog! ABSOLUTELY LOVE IT!!!
Bravo, this really hits the target!! That album version is very good too. And what comes to this one... almost needless to say that it's a masterpiece in its own "scene". Shivers run down my spine... ⚡⚡💥💥🔊🎵🎤😆😍🤩🥶🤪🥴
Syncopated vocals bordering on old-school 80's rap/hip-hop. Ian & Billy were fans of the Beastie Boys too! But Rick Rubin did the right thing by stripping down their sound to raw bluesy hard rock with Electric. Keep the Manor Sessions as a keepsake novelty. 🤙🤘 👏
Music is actually better than the Electric album version, the riff at 1:28 after the first verse is pure gold and sounds like a beautifully natural extension of the Love album. But dear lord, Ian is a hot mess here.
These versions are a lot of fun to listen to now. But that wouldn't be the case if not for Rick Ruben. However, the sacred White Falcon kicks the shit out of the Les Paul. I wish Billy would have stuck with it for Electric through Beyond Good & Evil
In my opinion, this is true in all cases of the sessions for what would have been "Peace" - save for the original version of "Electric Ocean", the E.Zee studios take of "Love Removal Machine", as well as the demo for "Groove Co.". Those are probably even superior to the Manor sessions. I have never been keen on what Rubin did to the band's sound. To my mind, the work done with Steve Brown just needed a remix to sharpen its attack and definition - as proven by the "Peace Remix" of "Love Removal Machine". Each to their own, however.
a lot of people like Electric...Axl Rose said it was a big influence on Appetite .....but those songs were only rough versions ...they sounded kinda grunge which the record label wanted but..Manor Sessions is what The Cult are really about melodic ...organic sound!!!
I think this is better than the version on Electric which is quite dull imo, the song not the album. Parts of Electric never sounded right to me though.
Interesting. I hate Electric, but I think Peace Dog is the best song on there. So much of it sounds like they're trying to be AC/DC - Love Removal Machine in particular.
Wild flower sounds atrocious in the Electric version. The passion from the Peace version was nonexistent, and no beautifully psychedelically textured guitars.
Yup. The 'grafting' of bridges or choruses on Electric feel shoehorned in there by a butt-rocker. And, they were under the direction of Rubin. The glaring one is "Talkin' 'Bout Love" on the chorus on Love Removal Machine. It's so cringe and awkward. The original chorus is beautiful. Even Jamie Stewart lamented it being removed from the song.
very good, I wonder if for the Cult Electric could not have kept the same line as Love, of course with a bit of evolution as shown by Peace Dog and Wild Flower
I'll tell you this, they'd be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame now if they had. The drastic corporate rock US makeover showed them too willing to radically alter themselves for trends. Just a little too shameless on chasing dollars, and trashing their existing audience.
Haven't hear this version and I have the Manor Sessions! While interesting and fun to have, these bloated over=produced recordings would have sunk the cult a few years sooner.
Nope, they'd have done just fine. If they'd stayed consistent, they be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Their over-the-top corporate rock sound DID sink them when the 80s rock scene died. So did the interest in The Cult. Chase the trends, you fall out of favor after awhile, too.
He wrecked them, that's for sure. Took a band on the rise and stripped them of everything that made them great. One of the biggest fuck-ups in rock music of the era by my reckoning. Wrecked a band that didn't need to radically alter their sound. Rubin brown nosers can't see The Cult were great already, and what Rubin did was transform them into a 3rd rate AC/DC. Galactic fuck up. Most of the stuff you hear today on the radio in the US is from LOVE. Not from Electric. US Radio doesn't touch it today.
Low wattage corporate rock for mainstream US audiences. Not the depth, swirling and touches of psychedelia that The Cult were, and had cultivated with a base of fans in the UK and Europe. The told their UK and European audiences to 'piss off' with Electric. Electric/Sonic Temple and even Ceremony are a trifecta of US corporate rock. It's ok in spots. At least Sonic Temple and Ceremony feel a little more authentic. Electric is piss poor US pandering and trend chasing while taking songs that had all the special ingredients of The Cult and turning them into US bar tunes. Blech.
Man, the Electric version of this is way fucking better. My God, is this the same band. Fuck, this sounds like a cover band that got drunk and couldn't play in the first place. I can't believe people actually think this is better. Obviously the ones who do are either family of the band or not musicians. This sounds like Chicago did a cover of Peace Dog with Ian singing over it.
I can understand the people that think this was better. It’s sounds like the obvious progression after “Love”. Although Ian sounds lost, he has no melodies. For people like me “Electric” was simply a second rate AC/DC with the same production techniques Rubin used for Danzig. I don’t hate Electric but I never listened to the Cult with interest after Love.
@@nicholaskruger9460 Uh, yes I am familiar with their roots, I'm fucking 52 yrs old. I familiar with pretty much everything they ever put out, unless its European bootlegs or something of that sort.
I don't know how they could produce these majestic songs and then stick them in a drawer and do Electric.
Money. Trend chasing. Sums it up. Ended up screwing themselves over in the end. They wanted to be US corporate rock, when late 80s corporate died off in favor of grunge, so did The Cult.
I personally think this sounds better than the version that ended up taking over. Love these guys!
Agreed. Better than the album version.
Much worse, Rick saved the song , gave it balls, and slowed down the vocals..thank god..this sound like a mess
Yup. This is The Cult. Not the Rick Rubin hard rock for 15 year old boys.
@@Strimbles Comically bad take. Rubin wrecked everything that was The Cult and made them a bad AC/DC vanity act. Anyone with an sense of appreciation of alternative music generally sees that. The Cult wasn't about "Balls." They were more about the swirling stuff between the notes. Rubin stripped what made them special for low wattage mulletheads.
@@zoso1980 Mulletheads all the way bro'!! Better than effeminate suburban goth wanna be losers!!!
I love the alternate versions of these cult songs.
Actually, these are the original versions ;-P
You know, you're allowed to like both versions...
Yes, but Electric stands out like a sore thumb between Love and Sonic Temple. Peace just bridged the gap better, IMO. No harm in loving Electric. Just my opinion.
@@psychedelicfright85 honestly its the better album
@@carpal08 like I said, we all have our own opinions.
@@psychedelicfright85 i concur
@@carpal08 Ian's voice sounds just odd to me, against these stripped down arrangements. Love had so much atmosphere, and this does too. It's relaxing in a way. I will say this though, Rick's style of production sounds better with Electric, compared to how it sounds on Slayer's albums.
I’m glad Electric and Electric (Manor Sessions) exist. It’s a good at to look in from a couple of different angles to see what the artists were up to. I find different versions of the various songs to be interesting depending on my mood.
What a chorus, totally agree, this sounds so much better, it's huge, sometimes a Rubin production works, Electric did on some levels, but it didn't show The Cult in their total majesty of making soundscapes, sometimes Rubin just needs to sit back and not turn amazing bands in on themselves, The Cult Manor Sessions shows you that, yeah, Electric was good, but imagine if they kept these, how would they have evolved again, anyway, doesn't matter, only my daft opinion, what I do know is, The Cult are one of thee best bands to come out of Britain, PERIOD!.
most beautiful thing i have ever heard
Appropriately this sounds like the best child of Love and Electric
This one is nice and heavy! What a Duffy solo!
I really loved the Electric album, but I could have loved it more it seems..... Damn!
THIS IS UNBELIVABLE
Better version ever!
Wow!!! I've never heard this version before!
I've had series of Manor Sessions CD's for bout 30yrs now. This version only released off of this Rare Cult cd.
It would have been if beardy hadn't come along and ruined them. fortunately the shelved Peace album has got a release.
Manor Sessions Rock!
Whoa !
huge, great band.
Good lord! Long time Cult fan from the 80s. Electric was my anthem for years! Please tell me where I can get this original version of Peace Dog! ABSOLUTELY LOVE IT!!!
Oh, thats easy! You can get the full Peace album on the Electric Peace release. It contains the released regular album and Peace. Enjoy!
Love
Bravo, this really hits the target!! That album version is very good too. And what comes to this one... almost needless to say that it's a masterpiece in its own "scene". Shivers run down my spine... ⚡⚡💥💥🔊🎵🎤😆😍🤩🥶🤪🥴
Syncopated vocals bordering on old-school 80's rap/hip-hop. Ian & Billy were fans of the Beastie Boys too! But Rick Rubin did the right thing by stripping down their sound to raw bluesy hard rock with Electric. Keep the Manor Sessions as a keepsake novelty. 🤙🤘 👏
Music is actually better than the Electric album version, the riff at 1:28 after the first verse is pure gold and sounds like a beautifully natural extension of the Love album. But dear lord, Ian is a hot mess here.
These versions are a lot of fun to listen to now. But that wouldn't be the case if not for Rick Ruben. However, the sacred White Falcon kicks the shit out of the Les Paul. I wish Billy would have stuck with it for Electric through Beyond Good & Evil
This is "white noise". The album version cannot be beaten.
Why is the end cut off?
Pinche rolota !
Whenever people hear a demo or alternate take, they almost always gush at how 'amazing' and 'better than the official release' it is😂😂😂
You are so right.
In my opinion, this is true in all cases of the sessions for what would have been "Peace" - save for the original version of "Electric Ocean", the E.Zee studios take of "Love Removal Machine", as well as the demo for "Groove Co.". Those are probably even superior to the Manor sessions. I have never been keen on what Rubin did to the band's sound. To my mind, the work done with Steve Brown just needed a remix to sharpen its attack and definition - as proven by the "Peace Remix" of "Love Removal Machine". Each to their own, however.
Just need to replace the vocal on this with the other version and then we're there!
Dynamite
a lot of people like Electric...Axl Rose said it was a big influence on Appetite .....but those songs were only rough versions ...they sounded kinda grunge which the record label wanted but..Manor Sessions is what The Cult are really about melodic ...organic sound!!!
I think this is better than the version on Electric which is quite dull imo, the song not the album. Parts of Electric never sounded right to me though.
Interesting. I hate Electric, but I think Peace Dog is the best song on there. So much of it sounds like they're trying to be AC/DC - Love Removal Machine in particular.
Wild flower sounds atrocious in the Electric version. The passion from the Peace version was nonexistent, and no beautifully psychedelically textured guitars.
Yup. The 'grafting' of bridges or choruses on Electric feel shoehorned in there by a butt-rocker. And, they were under the direction of Rubin. The glaring one is "Talkin' 'Bout Love" on the chorus on Love Removal Machine. It's so cringe and awkward. The original chorus is beautiful. Even Jamie Stewart lamented it being removed from the song.
very good, I wonder if for the Cult Electric could not have kept the same line as Love, of course with a bit of evolution as shown by Peace Dog and Wild Flower
I'll tell you this, they'd be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame now if they had. The drastic corporate rock US makeover showed them too willing to radically alter themselves for trends. Just a little too shameless on chasing dollars, and trashing their existing audience.
Peace Dog
Haven't hear this version and I have the Manor Sessions! While interesting and fun to have, these bloated over=produced recordings would have sunk the cult a few years sooner.
sonic temple never stuck to me
Not really I don't think. Electric was a huge shift in sound, and the original Peace album, fits in with the evolution of their sound much better.
Nope, they'd have done just fine. If they'd stayed consistent, they be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Their over-the-top corporate rock sound DID sink them when the 80s rock scene died. So did the interest in The Cult. Chase the trends, you fall out of favor after awhile, too.
Thank fuck for RIck Rubin.
Making cheesy butt-rock for 15 year old boys? Ok, if that's your bag.
He wrecked them, that's for sure. Took a band on the rise and stripped them of everything that made them great. One of the biggest fuck-ups in rock music of the era by my reckoning. Wrecked a band that didn't need to radically alter their sound. Rubin brown nosers can't see The Cult were great already, and what Rubin did was transform them into a 3rd rate AC/DC. Galactic fuck up. Most of the stuff you hear today on the radio in the US is from LOVE. Not from Electric. US Radio doesn't touch it today.
Pardon?
You know what? I far prefer virtually all of these earlier versions to what the ended up releasing. Electric just sounds really dull by comparison.
Low wattage corporate rock for mainstream US audiences. Not the depth, swirling and touches of psychedelia that The Cult were, and had cultivated with a base of fans in the UK and Europe. The told their UK and European audiences to 'piss off' with Electric. Electric/Sonic Temple and even Ceremony are a trifecta of US corporate rock. It's ok in spots. At least Sonic Temple and Ceremony feel a little more authentic. Electric is piss poor US pandering and trend chasing while taking songs that had all the special ingredients of The Cult and turning them into US bar tunes. Blech.
Prefer «Peace» thounsand times over «electric»....i'm not according with Rubin (who has produced even Shakira)
Man, the Electric version of this is way fucking better. My God, is this the same band. Fuck, this sounds like a cover band that got drunk and couldn't play in the first place. I can't believe people actually think this is better. Obviously the ones who do are either family of the band or not musicians. This sounds like Chicago did a cover of Peace Dog with Ian singing over it.
I can understand the people that think this was better. It’s sounds like the obvious progression after “Love”. Although Ian sounds lost, he has no melodies. For people like me “Electric” was simply a second rate AC/DC with the same production techniques Rubin used for Danzig. I don’t hate Electric but I never listened to the Cult with interest after Love.
@@marcrussell54 most fans were thrown off after Electric i think. It was just boring to me.
You’re not familiar with their roots
@@nicholaskruger9460
Uh, yes I am familiar with their roots, I'm fucking 52 yrs old. I familiar with pretty much everything they ever put out, unless its European bootlegs or something of that sort.
@@neilmoneymaker4875 Putting the kid in his place.
The vocals on this version are a mess.
This is worse than that from Electric.