It's weird but I've been kind of re discovering the Cults music lately. These guys were amongst my top two favorite bands back in the 80s. Heck my kids' names were inspired by The Cult!
Listen to that guitar work! He's unbelievable, I love hearing THE CULT with only one guitarist. Billy's rhythm to lead and back is seamlessly flawless! 2:23
This is the original. The phony 'let's sound like AC/DC' is the re-recording to pander to American corporate rock audiences. We all know how that went...
@@zoso1980 The "original" original version is actually the take that appeared on the "Out of Bounds" soundtrack. Despite a rockier sound and more overdiubs, this cut is still closer to that than it is to the "Electric" variant.
This version was originally released on the Out of Bounds movie soundtrack. Having already been a frothing Cult fan at that point, I was more in love with this version than the Electric album version. While Electric is a great album, I have never made peace with the band's departure from this sound.
Because they were chasing dollars, ala rebranding the band as an American unit. They wanted to sell albums in the US, and Rick Rubin's repackaging included mixing them like AC/DC. It was a move that wasn't true to who they were. The Peace albums IS The Cult. Electric is them trying to be something they weren't.
which was why I was disappointed at the time. I now see them as bridging metal and alternative without being a cash grab on Electric, compared to what happened throughout the 90s, not a bad thing, but not my thing, I wanted more psychedelic rock@@zoso1980
Yes, the Steve Brown produced version is The Cult. Post-Punk, alternative and all their mystique intact. The Rubin stuff tried to move them out of the alternative market, and straight up into AC/DC territory. They wanted to sell albums in Oklahoma and Texas. That's why you got that stripped down version of Electric, that removed the mystique of the band. And, then t here's that goofy cover of Born To Be Wild.
@@jscruz2 He is, and so I am. This is The Cult. That version on Electric is a crass attempt to appeal to American corporate rock. It's garbage, as is the whole album. One big phony pile of Rick Rubin got it wrong.
Canadian version : The band had a short stint in the studio to record a potential single with ‘Love’ producer Steve Brown. They were at Le Studio Morin Heights in Quebec and wrote and recorded the track ‘Electric Ocean’. It appeared in a much different form on the Electric LP but interestingly this Canadian version also ended up on the soundtrack to the movie ‘Out of Bounds’ which came out in ‘86.
I prefer the original as its straight to the point like the whole Electric album and why I love it and why ultimately i go to the Electric album more than any other. However I do like it, not heard any of the peace album yet, so keen to hear the rest.
This _is_ the original. The "Electric" verison was completely reworked (and, in my humble opinion, inferior). Check out this set: th-cam.com/video/MG5p_DzAFWs/w-d-xo.html
Yes, if you like the Electric album, it's likely because it was targeted at a different rock audience than all the other Cult albums. It shows you Electric moved them into a different market, which none of their other records tried to repeat. And yes, this version is the original studio version. Electric was the "redo" after it was decided they need to go "American." In the process of trying to be an American band, they lost their mystique. Electric isn't a Cult record, it's the Cult trying to be AC/DC and, in the process betrayed who they were. It was an inauthentic record. Whereas Peace, that album IS The Cult.
@@zoso1980 they have continued to sound and live in America ever since, so maybe this was their authentic sound? In any case when a band changes their sound it always pisses off the band’s gatekeepers, sometimes with good reason but Electric was not a good reason and it doesn’t sound like ac/dc just because it’s simple. It is unquestionably The Cult and it shook off the goth tag rather effectively and I fricking love 80’s pompous goth (Sisters, Mission, Nephs), I like it all goddamit :)
@@fydstar I would disagree that they have continued to "sound American." If anything today they have their own thing. In terms of production, Sonic Temple moved the needle away from the Electric production that stripped all the nuance, mystique and depth away from the band. Ceremony continued in that tradition, too by allowing the mystique to exist between the notes again. Ian may have US citizenship now, but I'm sure Billy would not agree with you that they are an American band. I'd encourage you to listen to AC/DC's Who Made Who, Rick Rubin emulated that production pretty closely. I'm a little harder Billy and Ian for the decisions around Electric because it seemed trendy and forced, where their other work flows creatively. Born To Be Wild? I don't consider it gatekeeping, I consider it that Electric is the one album where they tried to hop on trends by other artists at the time - which is unlike them. The Cult has a unique authenticity in the work. I like bands to change and surprise me. Evolution is part of the game that keeps things interesting creatively. The thing that disappoints me most about Electric is that with targeting mainstream US rock audiences, Billy and Ian never got the credit in the alternative rock world they deserved. The got lumped in with the glut of Kingdom Come's, and far lesser 80s rock trying to cater to US butt rock. Their innovation and unique sound and structure was left to the those that found them off the grid, or the gatekeepers that always saw the brilliance. Lastly, I like what Steve Brown (RIP) said in an interview. Had they stayed with Peace, they'd had taken a more consistent artistic evolution and eventually, taken their place next to the great British bands. They would've become iconic, much like Zeppelin or the Stones. Sadly, Brown asserts that their legacy was ultimately diminished by repackaging themselves to an audience who'd never seek out or connect with LOVE or DREAMTIME or the records that came later.
The Peace album is infinitely better than Electric. Rick Rubin totally ruined it. However the best versions of this track, Conquistador, Love Removal Machine and King Contrary Man are the BBC studio session ones.
@@chrisharwood9456 Yes, when people say they like Electric, but don't listen to many of the other Cult albums, you know who you are dealing with. They weren't fans of The Cult before Electric and weren't after. This is why the decision to rebrand and image The Cult as an American band with Rubin was such bad move. It betrayed all the post-punk, alternative and counter culture roots The Cult came from in favor of competing with AC/DC and Motley Crue. Awful decision. And, yes Steve Brown's Peace mixes are The Cult. Rick Rubin's Electric is The Cult trying to be something and someone they weren't. It's tepid and lacks the nuance of swirling depth The Cult are known for.
@Adrian Padilha This version IS The Cult. All their post-punk, alternative and counter culture roots intact. It's not the band repackaged to sell CDs in Nebraska, as Electric is. Electric is a terribly inauthentic record that destroyed their mystique to convert them into an AC/DC clone. You may like it better, but Electric isn't really a Cult record. It's them trying to be something they weren't - an AC/DC clone.
Funny. I think this whole Rick Rubin mix coupled with their attempt to "go American" was a disaster. They were iconic in their sound and their deveopment. Dreamtime, Love and then Peace were a very cohesive artistic body of work. Their sound was iconic and instantly recognizable. Bring in the decision to 'go American" and that iconic sound and mystique gets trashed for trying to compete with AC/DC and Motley Crue, with everything being stripped bare. Nope, the whole Rick Rubin "Americanization" of the band was a disaster as it sold out their roots (post-punk, alternative) for the mullet crowd. Rubin may have done some things right. The Cult was definitely not one of them. He destroyed a band's iconic sound and tried to make them something they weren't. And, the band suffered from an identity crisis for years afterward. Were they mullet rock or alternative rock? They got lumped in with mullet rock because of this bad move, which screwed up their career and never allowed them to get he recognition as an iconic Alternative band they deserved.
This is part of the "Manor Sessions 1986". Fantastic version.
All of the material recorded in it's entirerty is SOO MUCH BETTER than the Electric recordings. Thank the musical Gods we have access to it!!!
Love Electric ocean one of my favorites love The sounds of The gitarrs ian you are so cool and beautiful ❤️🏹
It's weird but I've been kind of re discovering the Cults music lately. These guys were amongst my top two favorite bands back in the 80s. Heck my kids' names were inspired by The Cult!
Ian and Billy ?
I can honestly say I like both versions. Almost like listening to two different songs entirely.
Thanks for the upload! Far superior to the Electric version.
Listen to that guitar work! He's unbelievable, I love hearing THE CULT with only one guitarist. Billy's rhythm to lead and back is seamlessly flawless! 2:23
I will weigh in... this version is MUCH better than the electric version.
I know, the Rick Rubin version was so stripped down and basic sounding, not unique at all
I actually prefer most of the Peace versions to the re-recorded Electric ones.
Abso-frickin-LUTELY!
@@leighburne4098 Me too. The Manor Sessions are The Cult. Electric is Billy and Ian mixed to try to sell records to AC/DC fans.
I prefer this version
killer version!! better than the original. so spacey ! masterpiece
Much worse
This is the original. The phony 'let's sound like AC/DC' is the re-recording to pander to American corporate rock audiences. We all know how that went...
@@zoso1980 The "original" original version is actually the take that appeared on the "Out of Bounds" soundtrack. Despite a rockier sound and more overdiubs, this cut is still closer to that than it is to the "Electric" variant.
This version was originally released on the Out of Bounds movie soundtrack. Having already been a frothing Cult fan at that point, I was more in love with this version than the Electric album version. While Electric is a great album, I have never made peace with the band's departure from this sound.
Why on earth they scrapped this riff in favour of the electric version I will never understand...
it's because Rick Rubin is a villain.
Because they were chasing dollars, ala rebranding the band as an American unit. They wanted to sell albums in the US, and Rick Rubin's repackaging included mixing them like AC/DC. It was a move that wasn't true to who they were. The Peace albums IS The Cult. Electric is them trying to be something they weren't.
which was why I was disappointed at the time. I now see them as bridging metal and alternative without being a cash grab on Electric, compared to what happened throughout the 90s, not a bad thing, but not my thing, I wanted more psychedelic rock@@zoso1980
KILLER better than the other version
You cannot be serious!
@@jscruz2 • Rubin version is lame
Yes, the Steve Brown produced version is The Cult. Post-Punk, alternative and all their mystique intact. The Rubin stuff tried to move them out of the alternative market, and straight up into AC/DC territory. They wanted to sell albums in Oklahoma and Texas. That's why you got that stripped down version of Electric, that removed the mystique of the band. And, then t here's that goofy cover of Born To Be Wild.
@@jscruz2 He is, and so I am. This is The Cult. That version on Electric is a crass attempt to appeal to American corporate rock. It's garbage, as is the whole album. One big phony pile of Rick Rubin got it wrong.
Love meets Temple sound....
Canadian version : The band had a short stint in the studio to record a potential single with ‘Love’ producer Steve Brown. They were at Le Studio Morin Heights in Quebec and wrote and recorded the track ‘Electric Ocean’.
It appeared in a much different form on the Electric LP but interestingly this Canadian version also ended up on the soundtrack to the movie ‘Out of Bounds’ which came out in ‘86.
The Canadian version is totally different, but I love it too.
Love Electric ocean love love love love love you ian ❤️🏹
GTA & THE CULT❤
Love this.
I prefer the original as its straight to the point like the whole Electric album and why I love it and why ultimately i go to the Electric album more than any other. However I do like it, not heard any of the peace album yet, so keen to hear the rest.
This _is_ the original. The "Electric" verison was completely reworked (and, in my humble opinion, inferior). Check out this set: th-cam.com/video/MG5p_DzAFWs/w-d-xo.html
@@Albrecht777 well yes, but for most the released album is essentially the original, as the OG versions were not available to listen to.
Yes, if you like the Electric album, it's likely because it was targeted at a different rock audience than all the other Cult albums. It shows you Electric moved them into a different market, which none of their other records tried to repeat. And yes, this version is the original studio version. Electric was the "redo" after it was decided they need to go "American." In the process of trying to be an American band, they lost their mystique. Electric isn't a Cult record, it's the Cult trying to be AC/DC and, in the process betrayed who they were. It was an inauthentic record. Whereas Peace, that album IS The Cult.
@@zoso1980 they have continued to sound and live in America ever since, so maybe this was their authentic sound? In any case when a band changes their sound it always pisses off the band’s gatekeepers, sometimes with good reason but Electric was not a good reason and it doesn’t sound like ac/dc just because it’s simple. It is unquestionably The Cult and it shook off the goth tag rather effectively and I fricking love 80’s pompous goth (Sisters, Mission, Nephs), I like it all goddamit :)
@@fydstar I would disagree that they have continued to "sound American." If anything today they have their own thing. In terms of production, Sonic Temple moved the needle away from the Electric production that stripped all the nuance, mystique and depth away from the band. Ceremony continued in that tradition, too by allowing the mystique to exist between the notes again. Ian may have US citizenship now, but I'm sure Billy would not agree with you that they are an American band. I'd encourage you to listen to AC/DC's Who Made Who, Rick Rubin emulated that production pretty closely. I'm a little harder Billy and Ian for the decisions around Electric because it seemed trendy and forced, where their other work flows creatively. Born To Be Wild? I don't consider it gatekeeping, I consider it that Electric is the one album where they tried to hop on trends by other artists at the time - which is unlike them. The Cult has a unique authenticity in the work. I like bands to change and surprise me. Evolution is part of the game that keeps things interesting creatively. The thing that disappoints me most about Electric is that with targeting mainstream US rock audiences, Billy and Ian never got the credit in the alternative rock world they deserved. The got lumped in with the glut of Kingdom Come's, and far lesser 80s rock trying to cater to US butt rock. Their innovation and unique sound and structure was left to the those that found them off the grid, or the gatekeepers that always saw the brilliance. Lastly, I like what Steve Brown (RIP) said in an interview. Had they stayed with Peace, they'd had taken a more consistent artistic evolution and eventually, taken their place next to the great British bands. They would've become iconic, much like Zeppelin or the Stones. Sadly, Brown asserts that their legacy was ultimately diminished by repackaging themselves to an audience who'd never seek out or connect with LOVE or DREAMTIME or the records that came later.
LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE. .......
The Peace album is infinitely better than Electric. Rick Rubin totally ruined it.
However the best versions of this track, Conquistador, Love Removal Machine and King Contrary Man are the BBC studio session ones.
Why is the video only GTA screenshots?
This is ok but I prefer the electric version. Something about it that gets ya revved up man.
great version I agree better then the electric version, but wouldn't fit into the sound of the rest of the electric album
I hope you heard about the Peace Album by now ...
Luna
Sounds like Sonic Temple to me but too much reverb.
THE ELECTRIC version is better. This version have a good intro, but is not heavy. The other is heavy, hard and ferocious!
Imagine holding a music opinion this terrible
Electric is basically a butt rock album
@@chrisharwood9456 Yes, when people say they like Electric, but don't listen to many of the other Cult albums, you know who you are dealing with. They weren't fans of The Cult before Electric and weren't after. This is why the decision to rebrand and image The Cult as an American band with Rubin was such bad move. It betrayed all the post-punk, alternative and counter culture roots The Cult came from in favor of competing with AC/DC and Motley Crue. Awful decision. And, yes Steve Brown's Peace mixes are The Cult. Rick Rubin's Electric is The Cult trying to be something and someone they weren't. It's tepid and lacks the nuance of swirling depth The Cult are known for.
@Adrian Padilha This version IS The Cult. All their post-punk, alternative and counter culture roots intact. It's not the band repackaged to sell CDs in Nebraska, as Electric is. Electric is a terribly inauthentic record that destroyed their mystique to convert them into an AC/DC clone. You may like it better, but Electric isn't really a Cult record. It's them trying to be something they weren't - an AC/DC clone.
After listening to this I have more respect for Rick Rubin than ever - this is a fucking mess
President with similar intellect & taste to the one in the White House now :P
Funny. I think this whole Rick Rubin mix coupled with their attempt to "go American" was a disaster. They were iconic in their sound and their deveopment. Dreamtime, Love and then Peace were a very cohesive artistic body of work. Their sound was iconic and instantly recognizable. Bring in the decision to 'go American" and that iconic sound and mystique gets trashed for trying to compete with AC/DC and Motley Crue, with everything being stripped bare. Nope, the whole Rick Rubin "Americanization" of the band was a disaster as it sold out their roots (post-punk, alternative) for the mullet crowd. Rubin may have done some things right. The Cult was definitely not one of them. He destroyed a band's iconic sound and tried to make them something they weren't. And, the band suffered from an identity crisis for years afterward. Were they mullet rock or alternative rock? They got lumped in with mullet rock because of this bad move, which screwed up their career and never allowed them to get he recognition as an iconic Alternative band they deserved.