Ya know it's ok for us believers to disagree about the timing of this event as it is not an essential doctrine of salvation. If you don't agree with a pre-tribulation eschatological time frame, don't include someones eternal destiny as questionable thinking they are not a "true Christian". If fact you single yourself out as the one who's eternal life might be in question as your position on an essential doctrine (salvation) is flawed, if you think the two are connected. Essential vs non-essential doctrines people. We are justified by faith. We don't earn or keep ourselves saved. It's the FREE gift of eternal life. Jesus paid your sin debt in full and declared IT IS FINISHED.
There is no if or buts if you have recieved jesus as lord then its eternal unbreakable you cannot give it back in anyway shape or form nor can it be lost or taken from you by anyone including the lord.What love what pure pure love
Not believing in a pre-trib rapture, is because you don't understand the bible. But that's ok, as if you're saved, you're saved. Either way, when the rapture occurs, we'll look at each other and say - I told you so. But we'll still be in heaven. Ignorance of the bible does not = no salvation. I'm sure though, God does want us to understand His word, otherwise He wouldn't have given it to us. People naturally have different levels of intelligence. So some will understand, others will not. Big deal. That's why we're supposed to study to show ourselves approved.
LDogg2002 youre wrong. Yankee is right. He just explained it clear as day from scripture. Whats your problem with that; got evidence to back your so called insights ?
anyone who researches finds out pretrib is the only absalute answer on the rapture, any other view quite simply is not rightly deviding the word of truth and useing verses for the second coming and misplacing them on the rapture which is 7 years earlier. its pretty simple! dont mix stuff for jews onto the Church and dont misuse verses after were gone in the pretrib rapture on the Church. man its so simple after you study !
Maybe you can help me. I am studying the Pre-tribulation rapture view more and it's starting to make sense, even though I've held to a Post-tribulation view for the last 10 years. However, I'm struggling with the following verses: "This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day."John 6:40 "And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day." John 6:44 "No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day."John 6:54 "Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day." I'm questioning, when exactly is the "Last Day"? Isn't the last day after the Great Tribulation? Wouldn't that mean the rapture would happen after the Tribulation? Thank you for your help.
The prophetic program doesn't start back up until AFTER the pre-trib rapture of the Body of Christ. The rapture is a part of God's mystery program, not the prophetic program.
Jeffrey Dunnage King David, a man after Gods own heart, committed adultery and murder. What kind of man after Gods own heart would do such a thing"?????
Steven Whitehouse friend, are you saying one is only forgiven after confessing a sin? What if you died is a car wreck today and didnt confess that you called someone a name on the road? Will you go to hell? OR is one forgiven ALL things when they have believed the gospel??? Col 2:13-14 - 13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you ALL trespasses; 14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; Acts 13:39 - And by him all that believe are justified from ALL THINGS, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses Is it possible for one to sin and not know it???? how could this be confessed? with respect,
I'm saying that Jesus Christ has forgiven me of my sins when he died on that cross 2000 years ago. And not me only, ALL THOSE WHO HAVE ACCEPTED JESUS CHRIST AS THEIR PERSONAL LORD & SAVIOR WILL GO TO HEAVEN! Jesus died to pay for all of our sins, both present, past and future sins. We can not be comdemned after we have made a mistake or fallen. What you are saying is the death of Jesus Christ wasn't suffiecent enough for you. You still have to do something to earn eternal life. when God says it's a free gift. FREE IS FREE, nothing you can do will earn you salvation.
Some of you who don't believe in eternal life just don't want it. Plain and Simple. Since I said I've accepted Jesus Christ as my Personal Lord & Savior and he paid for all my sins, you attack me for believing in something I can't see. But I do know for a fact that If I were to die or if the Rapture were to take place today I'm going to heaven. God has written my name in that lamb's book of life. The gospel is the death, burial and Resurrection of Jesus Christ thee's no other gospel. John 3:16 For God so loved the world he gave his only begotten Son that WHOSOEVER BELIEVETH IN HIM SHOULD NOT PERISH, BUT HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE! ALSO, If you are trying to obey the law, and fail at one point, ye are guilty of all James 2:10. You must keep works & salvation separate.
The bible does teach pre-tribulation rapture, both in the old testament and new, you must open your heart to receive it, there are two appearing's of Jesus Christ in the end of days and two sets of scriptures that back each of them up, the first appearing is the one I'm going to focus on, he also talked about the ten virgins, 5 wise and 5 foolish, also, when in Revelation where Jesus spoke about the church of Philadelphia where he would keep the saints of that church from the hour of testing and they won't even go through the tribulation period on earth, look at the processes that happened in Noah's day, he and his family was saved through the flood and Enoch was raptured out before the flood, then look at Lot and the days of Sodom and Gomorra, the angle of the Lord came to Lot and his family and removed them from the city and then judgment fell upon the wicked, it will be the same for the believers of our day, we who believe in Jesus Christ and trust in him, we will be transformed and removed from this Earth, look at 1 Thessalonians 4:14-18, that's his first appearing, the second appearing is Revelation Ch. 19
+Daniel Blair Hi Daniel Blair. I somewhat agree with your thoughts that there are 2 appearing's of Jesus, but in the same moment. Let me explain.... I'll try to be brief. WHEN will he return? Matt 24:29 "After the tribulation... he will gather his elect... " 1 Thes 4:13-17 ..."we which are alive and remain Unto The Coming Of the Lord..." "THE DEAD in Christ SHALL RISE FIRST." "THEN we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together..." You say there are 2 separate sets of scriptures? WHERE? I see only one. There is only one way. The dead will rise First. THEN, we that are alive will be caught up with them. Scriptures say the dead will rise "at his coming," "At his appearing," ""At the Last day." We are GOING to go thru tribulation. Not because God doesn't love us! I'm also interested in your view about Rev 3:10. "Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the "hour of temptation" which shall come upon "all the earth" to try them that dwell upon the earth." KJV. If you're using the Book of Revelation, then WHERE, do you find any mention about what the "Hour of temptation" is! I found a possible reference to this, and the rapture moment, in Rev 18, where it says, "Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues." Vs 8 "Therefore ShalL her plagues come in one day..." Vs 10: "For in one hour is thy judgment come..." Vs 17 "For in one hour so great riches is come to nought Vs 19 ..."for in one hour is she made desolate." We're being saved (raptured out) before God destroys the earth with fire. THIS is what we are being raptured from! THIS is God's wrath upon the earth! I believe scripture proves scripture. Am I wrong about this? Can you see what I see? If not, then Who is Christ talking to, when he says, "Come out of her MY PEOPLE?"
Please understand there are 3 events that will take place during the tribulation 1. the bema seat judgment of saints 2. the awarding of crowns to the saints 3. the marriage supper of the lamb, you see the saints are not appointed to wrath, first, Jesus will appear in the clouds to gather the elect and bring them back to heaven, then the 3 events I mentioned above, and after 7 years Jesus returns with his bride to the Mt of Olives to setup his 1000 year Kingdom from Jerusalem, there are two other groups during the tribulation, first there are the people who repent and become believers in Jesus but die as martyrs by beheadings, the second group is the Jewish people who come to the knowledge of Jesus Christ and become saved, 12,000 from each tribe, one has to be careful not to blend scriptures together, some prophecy's can have a double application or meaning, others can be taken out of context, we have to rely on the whole council of the word of God, because when we read the scriptures correctly it fits in with all the other scriptures perfectly, I find that if a scripture is not being used correctly by someone, the Holy spirit compels me to look closer to see if it is true or not in it's application
You have to understand that tribulation and wrath are 2 separate things. Rev 3:10 is God's wrath. How do you get a 7 year period from 1 hour? Also you can read Revelation 14:7 where it says ..."Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come." So in Rev 14 and Rev 18 it uses hour for God's wrath. In Rev 2 it says "you shall experience tribulation 10 days," which is what is done to them by people on Earth and not God. Noah and Lot were saved from God's wrath, not the tribulation of man. There is no scripture that says there will be a rapture followed by 7 years of tribulation (for the Jews.)
Arthur Lewis actually if you study Daniels 70th week prophecy you will discover there are 490 years determined for Daniels people(the Jews) and Daniels city(Jerusalem) 483 years to the day when messiah was cut off(death of Christ)was fulfilled. The remaining 7 years has not yet been fulfilled. Why? Because of the mystery of the Church. The Rapture will end the Church age. Then the prophecy given to Daniel will run its course and the events described in Revelation chapters 6-19 will be fulfilled.
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You are correct on salvation, just believe on Jesus. On this issue, we can agree to disagree in Matthew 24 Jesus did say he would gather his elect from the ends of the earth AFTER the TRIBULATION.
BibleBeliever you got chapter and verse and context on that... please share with us your insights...? Prove he’s wrong on this otherwise you have no case.
I am studying the Pre-tribulation rapture view more, even though I've held to a Post-tribulation view for the last 10 years. However, I'm struggling with the following verses: "This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day."John 6:40 "And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day." John 6:44 "No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day."John 6:54 "Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day." I'm questioning, when exactly is the "Last Day"? Isn't the last day after the Great Tribulation? Wouldn't that mean the rapture would happen after the Tribulation? Thank you for your help.
@ Msged2007 - Here's a complete understanding of why we believe that the pre-tribulation rapture is true. And it is 2 separate events. Not 1 as you claim it is. The Rapture - 1 Thess 4:13-17; 1 Thess. 1:10; 1. Appears In The Heavens 2. Deliverer 3. FOR The Church 4. Love And Compassion 5. Bridegroom The Second Coming - Rev. 19:11-16;1 Thess 3:13 1. Returns To Earth 2. Warrior 3. WITH The Church 4. Wrath And Vengeance 5. King Of Kings
+Steven Whitehouse And this is where you went wrong: 1) Appears in the Heavens, and then comes to Earth. 2) Point of view. Deliverer for believers, but warrior to unbelievers 3) WITH the church both times, even for you (the dead in Christ) 4) Point of view, love and compassion for believers, but wrath and vengeance for unbelievers 5) Bridegroom AND King of Kings, both for believers, but King of Kings for unbelievers. Read 2 Thessalonians 1, and think "Day of the Lord, after the sun and moon are darkened" instead of "Armageddon" and you will see it.
msged2007 You just don't believe in the Rapture is why you say this. He has not appointed us Christians unto wrath1st thess 5:9 and he'll keep us from the hour of temptation Rev: 3:7-13. Only those who believe in the death, burial & resurrection of Jesus Christ and his eventual return to earth will Jesus will take with at the Rapture. You believe that the Rapture and the 2nd coming are the same event. When the bible clearly states that these 2 events. And 2 great examples of the Rapture happen before judgement is Enoch & Elijah. Where Enoch was taken before the flood judgement. And Lot is also a type of the Rapture where he was removed from Sodom & Gomorrah before the fire judgement. And our Lord is the type of the Rapture when he was ascended into Heaven.
Steven Whitehouse I dont believe in the rapture? No, you got it wrong. I dont believe in your pre-first seal fairy tail. I believe in the rapture alright, but the BIBLICAL rapture, which is AFTER a falling away from the faith, AFTER the abomination of desolation, and ON the day of the Lord, just like BOTH Thessalonian letters describe (as well as Jesus Himself in the Olivate Discourse) My problem is not with scripture, but your bad interpretation of it. Anyone who says that the return of the Lord and our gathering unto Him is before the falling away and the abomination of desolation is automatically wrong in light of 2 Thessalonians 2. It is word for word. Im sorry, but you have been deceived about this. Go read it for yourself.
Well, as I said to one person. I'll say to u that'll you will believe it when it happens. Many people like you mock the coming of Jesus's returns. You say where is the promise of his coming he'll never return. He appears in the clouds to take his children home to be with him. And Jesus is NOT a fair nor is the bible. Did u know that Iraq/Iran is Babylon who destroyed Babylon in 586 B.C. that war is described in Jeremiah & Daniel Both Prophets. And the reason why God allowed Israel to be destroyed is they turned their back on God and worshiped other Gods that weren't no gods at all they were made man.
Steven Whitehouse you know, ive looked back over my posts, but I cannot find anywhere thats even close to what you just said. Quit making stuff up and lets talk like grown ups.
The Prophet Daniel says in Dan 9:27 That he's come in peacefully. And thanks for this message about the Rapture. I certaintly enjoy your jokes and humor on this subject.
Do not add anything to the works that the Lord Jesus Christ did for us. Just SIMPLY BELIEVE. That's it! The World, and those that simply just don't get it have to add various additions to Salvation. NO! How you live after you have been saved is YOUR CHOICE! Yes, carrying on living in the old life, in the old ways, not listening to God, will, perhaps lose you gifts, rewards, & blessings that are yours by Grace in this life or when you get to Heaven. He loved us SO much that he gave us a choice - even after Salvation - either to carry on living in the OLD MAN, or the way HE would want us to live - Righteous & in the NEW man, the spirit, not in the old man which is spiritually dead. You see when The Lord Jesus Christ comes into our lives at the NEW BIRTH, he gives us a new life that will go to Heaven, washed in THE BLOOD of CHRIST. This does'nt mean our old life has gone, the old man! It just means that we can now live and choose to be how GOD would want us to live. BUT, we still have the capability to jump back into the old life. And more than likely we will because of our SIN nature, the world, and everything that is corrupt around us. BUT, WE ARE STILL SAVED. It's our NEW LIFE, hidden in CHRIST that goes to Heaven, THE SPIRIT. We needed a SAVIOR - all of us - NON are good enough through our own endeavours, are own efforts, are own SELF righteousness. WE WILL NEVER BE GOOD ENOUGH to enter HEAVEN on our own merits because of original sin, ADAM'S legacy. ALL of us are born spiritually dead. So we needed a SAVIOUR! The Lord Jesus Christ is the answer to that problem. If we could have done it alone, HE wouldn't have had to come and die! HIS BLOOD is the ANSWER, not just the SHEDDING, but the SPRINKLING - the APPLIANCE - on the MERCY SEAT in Heaven. Because of this, you now have a chance of ETERNAL LIFE. BELIEVE it, and LIVE.
This is EXCELLENT. This man is speaking the truth - re. politics; one world government/religion; political correctness . . . it's encouraging to hear a pastor with such courage and truth. (Political correctness is evil).
Do we have to take Communion to be Saved because In John Jesus says if you don’t drink my blood and eat my flesh you have no life in yourselves If you drink my blood and eat my flesh I will give you eternal life but Jesus also says in John Verily Verily I say unto you whosoever Believeth on Me hath Everlasting Life I am confused Are we Saved by doing certain things or by Grace Alone through Faith Alone in Christ Alone? Thank you for All your Help and Time God Bless you
I love pastor Ralph Yankee Arnold, but the pre-trib rapture just doesn't hold water. I hope he watches After the Tribulation, a great documentary on TH-cam that debunks the pre-trib rapture.
I agree. I love how he teaches the simple truth of Salvation. I will not listen to the heresy of dispensationalism or pre-trib rapture. It is not scriptural and is the doctrine of men. While he uses KJV he also uses Scofield's KJV.
Ralph is good on soteriology, but terrible on prophecy. He needs to examine the pre-trib rapture with the same scrutiny he gives to Calvinism and other heresies. If he did, he would actually come to a knowledge of truth! Oh, the havoc old C.I. Scofield has wrought in the Christian Church. Don't be ignorant. Do the research!
Negative on that.. Have researched the matter extensively already! I'll go with what the church has believed for thousands of years, not what some crooked lawyer and convict cooked up with the Scofield Reference Bible. Been there and done that. There is a zero percent probablility of ever believing that view ever again. I wish more professing Christians would wake up from their slumber, but in these last days, it really seems unlikely.
Actually the Second Coming/Rapture (same thing) is very easy to understand if you don't listen to the doctrines of men and just read the Bible without Scofields notes and listen to other Dispensational nonsense. After reading that ridiculous diatribe above, I am even more convinced of the truth and of the strong delusion that seems to only affect those living in the affluent United States of America.
***** No the pre trib is the most stupid and evil lie put out by the sons of disobedience today and you did fall for it and now you are lying to others. shame on you! wake up and repent, stop this bullshit! pre-trib is from man and people turn back to post trib because of the Word of God!
***** You are either a false brother or just another blind follower of blind man. Shame on you, lying to people! pre-trib is from the devil, from demons! its a teaching of demons! is is so easy to expose it but no matter what Verses i would bring to you, you fool would pervert them anyway. you are not wise, you are blind and you follow blind man and not Jesus Christ. but you will learn it the hard way when you take the mark some day because you were not ready to keep the faith in the first half. and being a false prophet! and maybe you will be so blind already that you will fall for the antichrist when he appears in an unidentified flying object to make war. you dont know what you are talking. What Jesus said is referred to His coming at the End when only a few will survive the great tribulation (last 3 1/2 years). this means not much faith will be left. the others will be beheaded. you have no idea what salvation is all about. YOU are the righteous, arrogant and deceived!
***** No you are wrong. this is a stupid answer you just gave me. YES, a brother can be wrong and false! read James 5, 19-20! you seem to be a false brother who sneaked in the church to decieve many. Everybody who reads this: PLEASE DO NOT LISTEN TO THIS LIAR WHO TALKS LIKE THE SNAKE! PLEASE READ YOUR KJV AND PRAY AND STUDY YOURSELF WITHOUT LISTENING TO THIS OR MANY OTHER DANGEROUS LIARS WHO ARE LIKE THE PLAGUE HERE ON TH-cam, TRYING TO DECIEVE MANY!!
Arnold says trust Christ as Savior to be saved but trust is from the head belief is from the heart he uses them interchangeably as thou they are the same.
It is interesting to note that John MacArthur is also a believer in a pre-tribulation rapture ; this is something that Dr Arnold agrees with MacArthur about .I say this because I have just heard Dr Arnold being extremely critical of John MacArthur on another utube video. For anyone interested in hearing two opposing views concerning the topic of the rapture may I direct them to the following ututbe video ? ...'John MacArthur v Zac Poonen on the topic of the rapture' It lasts 14 mins 54 secs in total.
no the falling away is not the rapture, the falling away happens before the reserection rapture, the falling away is happening right now, Paul tells us that the man of sin will be revealed in his time and that he who is restraining lawlessness right now will contine to do so until he is taken out of the way, the only being with enough supernatural power to restrain lawlessness right now is God himself his holy spirit and since the holy spirit dwells in every true believer never to leave when God takes his holy spirit out of the way we are taken out of the way as well. but you all have the living preceding the dead you say the second coming is Mathew 24 29 31 and I agree it lines right up with Revelation 19 11 16 you all say the rapture occures at the second coming though there is no mention of the dead in Christ rising first in Mathew nor Revelation, the first reserection doesn't occur until after Jesus has already returned to earth and has cast the anti christ and his false prophet into the lake of fire Rev 20 1 3 then the first reserection happens but by that time you all have had the living raptured. that will not happen. is the first resurrection Rev 20 4 the first reserection?
chris thomas I honestly don't know Chris, it's sad to see so many people decieved, most of the people who believe that also follow the Roman Catholic churches doctrine of replacement theology. They don't descern the difference between israel / jews and the church.
***** how did the holy spirit operate in the old testament? He did not indwell anyone he came when called upon, it will be the same during Daniels 70th week,
Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. (Matthew 24:29-31 KJV)
Matthew 24 starts out with the disciples asking Jesus what will be the end? In verse 20, Jesus says “pray your flight not be on the Sabbath”. That’s bizarre. Why as gentiles would we care if our flight is on the Sabbath? We won’t - Matthew 24 speaks to the Jews, not the Church. The confusion with Matthew 24 arises because people don’t realize Jesus comes twice. Once in secret for his bride the Church (the rapture), once publicly at the end of Revelation (the Second Coming). Those two events are not the same. Careful examination of the NT shows one is private, one public. They can’t be the same event, and they aren’t. Some people become confused because they mix the Jews and the Church. But those are two different groups, with two different plans. Don’t make the mistake the Church has taken the place of the Jews - the promises to the Jews in the OT are still in effect.
All the Pre-tribbers should by now be seeing by the world they are "in" that they are in fact living IN the tribulation, IN the seals. Christ comes in the midst of the week, at the 6th seal, exactly as John describes seeing IN HEAVEN the "great multitude who came OUT OF great tribulation!"
Covenant promises are being mixed with those of the church and they are different! This is why no one comes to an agreement. Pre-tribulation is simple when you keep this in mind. So many words and nothing said.God help us!
I don't know pre tribulation folks think it means that when the holy spirit is taken out then stuff is gonna happen, they had tribulation in the disciples days with the holy spirit. HOW IN THE WORLD CAN THE HOLY SPIRIT BE TAKEN OUT OF THE WORLD IF THE HOLY SPIRIT IS GOD AND GOD IS EVERYWHERE SMH.... THINK FOLKS...... We're called to go through tribulation then why do we on in America think we not going through tribulation........... if ur pre trib you believe in 2 rapture
Exactly. And they always go to 1 thess 5:9 were not appointed to wrath but chapter 3 says we've appointed to tribulation. Tribulation comes before Gods wrath.
What about what Jesus wants ? Does nobody see this ? He wants His Bride , He paid dearly ,More than any man has suffered ! He does not want His Bride battered broken and beheaded . He has such good things and supernatural protection for His Bride ,Isiah 55, Psalms 91 , are we willing to throw these HUGE promises for a few verses that most people take out of context ?
No there are verses that tell us about the trinity but No verse that gives us proof of the pre-trib rapture To say the bible implying it is not sufficient
The Bible points to a pre-wrath rapture. Wrath is of God and we are not appointed to wrath. Tribulation is what the world and the antichrist does to believers. KNOW THE DIFFERENCE!! Post trib, pre wrath is the right position!
And who opens the first seal in Rev. 6:1? The Lamb, which we know is Jesus Christ. Jesus is God. (John 10:30) So, since Jesus is God, how then is the anti christ not part of God's wrath? Plus, John the Baptist, a believer, is taken up to heaven BEFORE the opening of the first seal by the Lamb. I'm not saying I could be wrong in how I'm interpreting this. This is just what I believe. I do _know_ and believe that God exists in three persons (1 John 5:7-8).
I have always believed pretrib but really the bible reads midtrib better than anything. So far I'm not hearing any solid scripture on pretrib, like most pretrib ministers I'm hearing their take why it should be pretrib, not Gods take.
It's irrelevant what I feel but what the bible says that is the most important thing and it does not say the rapture will occur before the tribulation Also the is a difference between the tribulation and the day of Lord that occurs after the tribulation I. E Armagedon
You're correct. When I understood the day of the Lord, it's what convinced me that the pretrib rapture was false, among other things. I wrote a book on the subject.
Billy Broadwater Why so you can get into a debate, Because you are pushing a doctrine to get the unread to miss it, and you want to use this platform to further your agenda, confusing people?? So you can manipulate scriptures, and go back and forth with me for days on end?? I just left someone who got into it for a week and a half with me and two others and she is still going at it. This doctrine is designed by satan through the seventh day adventists to get people to miss the rapture. It is also designed for those comfortable lukewarm christians who feel guilty that they are not going through any persecution. I will be happy to provide scripture with someone who is truly seeking the truth. Unfortunately, that is not the case with you. The devil knows his time is short and the rapture will happen very, very soon. Your kind is on assignement to rob the little time that the saints have to reach the lost.
Billy Broadwater If you truly would like scriptures on the pre-trib rapture, go to my post. I have a full sermon on the topic with comments who support the pretrib rapture. As for me, I have to give two bible studies, intercede for someone who is persecuted on his job, and another who is attacked by satan because he just redicated his life to the Lord, and another who just converted to catholicism. If you would like to stay for the tribulation period, be my guest. I am preapring to go home with the saints.
he didnt read a single verse that clearly told of a "rapture"! He kept ADDING "rapture" to everything.... thats call a "presupposition" which is what the pretrib rapture theory is Completely constructed from.... "Presupposition" look up the definition and prove me wrong....
Man this is confusing! For many years I was pre-trib. Then I changed to post-trib, after seeing "after the tribulation" movie. I am just gonna stick with pre-trib...or maybe mid-trib. lol
May as well be pre-trib, it's the only one that makes sense. I just did a Video Bible Study today titled Rapture of the Church where I use the scriptures and determine why it has to be pre-trib and not the others: post/no rapture, pre-wrath, mid. Feel free to check it out if you want.
Jesus came back in judgment already in ad 70 he judge Israel for killing the prophets and killing him he destroyed their Temple and ushered in the New Kingdom the dead was resurrected out of Hades into heaven and those that were in Christ was resurrected to New Life
Brook Lindsay lol..... he said he was coming back in Judgment of old Covenant Israel he never said he was coming back but early when that Temple failed in ad 70 that was Jesus returning in judgment to destroy Israel and Usher and his new kingdom which is the church read Matthew 24 real slow and read it from their point of view
it is absolutely NOT biblical. you cannot even begin to prove that lie. as a matter fact, if you would let me know, I can prove, PROVE, the opposite. blessings!
It amazes me that this sermon was 7 years ago. Very prophetic
I’m amazed that it was 9 years ago! More prophetic!
There are so few that teach the truth ! Thank you
Nothing but Truth being preached here!!!
Ya know it's ok for us believers to disagree about the timing of this event as it is not an essential doctrine of salvation. If you don't agree with a pre-tribulation eschatological time frame, don't include someones eternal destiny as questionable thinking they are not a "true Christian". If fact you single yourself out as the one who's eternal life might be in question as your position on an essential doctrine (salvation) is flawed, if you think the two are connected. Essential vs non-essential doctrines people. We are justified by faith. We don't earn or keep ourselves saved. It's the FREE gift of eternal life. Jesus paid your sin debt in full and declared IT IS FINISHED.
*unless it's complete heresy to do with the gospel such as works+faith or something...
There is no if or buts if you have recieved jesus as lord then its eternal unbreakable you cannot give it back in anyway shape or form nor can it be lost or taken from you by anyone including the lord.What love what pure pure love
Not believing in a pre-trib rapture, is because you don't understand the bible. But that's ok, as if you're saved, you're saved.
Either way, when the rapture occurs, we'll look at each other and say - I told you so. But we'll still be in heaven.
Ignorance of the bible does not = no salvation.
I'm sure though, God does want us to understand His word, otherwise He wouldn't have given it to us.
People naturally have different levels of intelligence. So some will understand, others will not. Big deal. That's why we're supposed to study to show ourselves approved.
Yankee's wrong on this but 100% correct on the gospel. Its ok to be wrong on the non essentials.
LDogg2002 youre wrong. Yankee is right. He just explained it clear as day from scripture. Whats your problem with that; got evidence to back your so called insights ?
Bibleline Broadcast Network, great teachings, may the Lord bless you mightily, Amen
anyone who researches finds out pretrib is the only absalute answer on the rapture, any other view quite simply is not rightly deviding the word of truth and useing verses for the second coming and misplacing them on the rapture which is 7 years earlier. its pretty simple! dont mix stuff for jews onto the Church and dont misuse verses after were gone in the pretrib rapture on the Church. man its so simple after you study !
Maybe you can help me. I am studying the Pre-tribulation rapture view more and it's starting to make sense, even though I've held to a Post-tribulation view for the last 10 years. However, I'm struggling with the following verses: "This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day."John 6:40 "And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day." John 6:44 "No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day."John 6:54 "Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day." I'm questioning, when exactly is the "Last Day"? Isn't the last day after the Great Tribulation? Wouldn't that mean the rapture would happen after the Tribulation? Thank you for your help.
see you are very very very wrong there is a post trib not a pre trib we are the elect
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No, you are the one who is in error.
Have you been listening to this video clearly laid out.
Uh, there is no " rapture", only the 2nd coming. The Final coming. Look at Christ's parables in Matt. , 1 judgment.
Watching this in 2021 and this couldn’t be closer to the truth
I like Yankee! :-) He's my kind of people! :-)
Not difficult to see the darkness lovers here in comments....the Light Overcomes the Darkness daily....Thank God...
The prophetic program doesn't start back up until AFTER the pre-trib rapture of the Body of Christ. The rapture is a part of God's mystery program, not the prophetic program.
Amen, a good message, and may God help us in England... but while there is light, the Gospel (good News) must go forth... :o)
In Christ...
Bill.
Jeffrey Dunnage King David, a man after Gods own heart, committed adultery and murder. What kind of man after Gods own heart would do such a thing"?????
Preston Greene He was displined by God himself and that the sword would not depart from his family. And God forgave him after he confessed.
Steven Whitehouse friend,
are you saying one is only forgiven after confessing a sin?
What if you died is a car wreck today and didnt confess that you called someone a name on the road? Will you go to hell?
OR is one forgiven ALL things when they have believed the gospel???
Col 2:13-14 - 13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you ALL trespasses;
14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Acts 13:39 - And by him all that believe are justified from ALL THINGS, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses
Is it possible for one to sin and not know it???? how could this be confessed?
with respect,
I'm saying that Jesus Christ has forgiven me of my sins when he died on that cross 2000 years ago. And not me only, ALL THOSE WHO HAVE ACCEPTED JESUS CHRIST AS THEIR PERSONAL LORD & SAVIOR WILL GO TO HEAVEN! Jesus died to pay for all of our sins, both present, past and future sins. We can not be comdemned after we have made a mistake or fallen. What you are saying is the death of Jesus Christ wasn't suffiecent enough for you. You still have to do something to earn eternal life. when God says it's a free gift. FREE IS FREE, nothing you can do will earn you salvation.
Some of you who don't believe in eternal life just don't want it. Plain and Simple. Since I said I've accepted Jesus Christ as my Personal Lord & Savior and he paid for all my sins, you attack me for believing in something I can't see. But I do know for a fact that If I were to die or if the Rapture were to take place today I'm going to heaven. God has written my name in that lamb's book of life. The gospel is the death, burial and Resurrection of Jesus Christ thee's no other gospel. John 3:16 For God so loved the world he gave his only begotten Son that WHOSOEVER BELIEVETH IN HIM SHOULD NOT PERISH, BUT HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE! ALSO, If you are trying to obey the law, and fail at one point, ye are guilty of all James 2:10. You must keep works & salvation separate.
The bible does teach pre-tribulation rapture, both in the old testament and new, you must open your heart to receive it, there are two appearing's of Jesus Christ in the end of days and two sets of scriptures that back each of them up, the first appearing is the one I'm going to focus on, he also talked about the ten virgins, 5 wise and 5 foolish, also, when in Revelation where Jesus spoke about the church of Philadelphia where he would keep the saints of that church from the hour of testing and they won't even go through the tribulation period on earth, look at the processes that happened in Noah's day, he and his family was saved through the flood and Enoch was raptured out before the flood, then look at Lot and the days of Sodom and Gomorra, the angle of the Lord came to Lot and his family and removed them from the city and then judgment fell upon the wicked, it will be the same for the believers of our day, we who believe in Jesus Christ and trust in him, we will be transformed and removed from this Earth, look at 1 Thessalonians 4:14-18, that's his first appearing, the second appearing is Revelation Ch. 19
+Daniel Blair Hi Daniel Blair. I somewhat agree with your thoughts that there are 2 appearing's of Jesus, but in the same moment. Let me explain.... I'll try to be brief. WHEN will he return? Matt 24:29 "After the tribulation... he will gather his elect... " 1 Thes 4:13-17 ..."we which are alive and remain Unto The Coming Of the Lord..." "THE DEAD in Christ SHALL RISE FIRST." "THEN we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together..." You say there are 2 separate sets of scriptures? WHERE? I see only one. There is only one way. The dead will rise First. THEN, we that are alive will be caught up with them. Scriptures say the dead will rise "at his coming," "At his appearing," ""At the Last day." We are GOING to go thru tribulation. Not because God doesn't love us! I'm also interested in your view about Rev 3:10. "Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the "hour of temptation" which shall come upon "all the earth" to try them that dwell upon the earth." KJV. If you're using the Book of Revelation, then WHERE, do you find any mention about what the "Hour of temptation" is! I found a possible reference to this, and the rapture moment, in Rev 18, where it says, "Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues." Vs 8 "Therefore ShalL her plagues come in one day..." Vs 10: "For in one hour is thy judgment come..." Vs 17 "For in one hour so great riches is come to nought Vs 19 ..."for in one hour is she made desolate." We're being saved (raptured out) before God destroys the earth with fire. THIS is what we are being raptured from! THIS is God's wrath upon the earth! I believe scripture proves scripture. Am I wrong about this? Can you see what I see? If not, then Who is Christ talking to, when he says, "Come out of her MY PEOPLE?"
Please understand there are 3 events that will take place during the tribulation 1. the bema seat judgment of saints 2. the awarding of crowns to the saints 3. the marriage supper of the lamb, you see the saints are not appointed to wrath, first, Jesus will appear in the clouds to gather the elect and bring them back to heaven, then the 3 events I mentioned above, and after 7 years Jesus returns with his bride to the Mt of Olives to setup his 1000 year Kingdom from Jerusalem, there are two other groups during the tribulation, first there are the people who repent and become believers in Jesus but die as martyrs by beheadings, the second group is the Jewish people who come to the knowledge of Jesus Christ and become saved, 12,000 from each tribe, one has to be careful not to blend scriptures together, some prophecy's can have a double application or meaning, others can be taken out of context, we have to rely on the whole council of the word of God, because when we read the scriptures correctly it fits in with all the other scriptures perfectly, I find that if a scripture is not being used correctly by someone, the Holy spirit compels me to look closer to see if it is true or not in it's application
read the seven church's part of Rev. some church's are kept from the hour of temptation, they won't even be here on earth
You have to understand that tribulation and wrath are 2 separate things. Rev 3:10 is God's wrath. How do you get a 7 year period from 1 hour? Also you can read Revelation 14:7 where it says ..."Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come." So in Rev 14 and Rev 18 it uses hour for God's wrath. In Rev 2 it says "you shall experience tribulation 10 days," which is what is done to them by people on Earth and not God.
Noah and Lot were saved from God's wrath, not the tribulation of man.
There is no scripture that says there will be a rapture followed by 7 years of tribulation (for the Jews.)
Arthur Lewis actually if you study Daniels 70th week prophecy you will discover there are 490 years determined for Daniels people(the Jews) and Daniels city(Jerusalem) 483 years to the day when messiah was cut off(death of Christ)was fulfilled. The remaining 7 years has not yet been fulfilled. Why? Because of the mystery of the Church. The Rapture will end the Church age. Then the prophecy given to Daniel will run its course and the events described in Revelation chapters 6-19 will be fulfilled.
Thank you again for this important message. I get my spiritual feeding from you folks at Calvary Community. Thanks and God bless you all. We do have Good News to share don't we. :)
wonderfully explained !!!
I meant RIGHT ON! Pastor Arnold
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You are correct on salvation, just believe on Jesus. On this issue, we can agree to disagree in Matthew 24 Jesus did say he would gather his elect from the ends of the earth AFTER the TRIBULATION.
BibleBeliever you got chapter and verse and context on that... please share with us your insights...? Prove he’s wrong on this otherwise you have no case.
2 Thessalonians 2 says we should not be deceived that that day is at hand.
Exactly but all the pre tribers go around telling people it is at hand
I am studying the Pre-tribulation rapture view more, even though I've held to a Post-tribulation view for the last 10 years. However, I'm struggling with the following verses: "This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day."John 6:40 "And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day." John 6:44 "No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day."John 6:54 "Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day." I'm questioning, when exactly is the "Last Day"? Isn't the last day after the Great Tribulation? Wouldn't that mean the rapture would happen after the Tribulation? Thank you for your help.
@ Msged2007 - Here's a complete understanding of why we believe that the pre-tribulation rapture is true. And it is 2 separate events. Not 1 as you claim it is.
The Rapture - 1 Thess 4:13-17; 1 Thess. 1:10;
1. Appears In The Heavens
2. Deliverer
3. FOR The Church
4. Love And Compassion
5. Bridegroom
The Second Coming - Rev. 19:11-16;1 Thess 3:13
1. Returns To Earth
2. Warrior
3. WITH The Church
4. Wrath And Vengeance
5. King Of Kings
+Steven Whitehouse And this is where you went wrong:
1) Appears in the Heavens, and then comes to Earth.
2) Point of view. Deliverer for believers, but warrior to unbelievers
3) WITH the church both times, even for you (the dead in Christ)
4) Point of view, love and compassion for believers, but wrath and vengeance for unbelievers
5) Bridegroom AND King of Kings, both for believers, but King of Kings for unbelievers.
Read 2 Thessalonians 1, and think "Day of the Lord, after the sun and moon are darkened" instead of "Armageddon" and you will see it.
msged2007 You just don't believe in the Rapture is why you say this. He has not appointed us Christians unto wrath1st thess 5:9 and he'll keep us from the hour of temptation Rev: 3:7-13. Only those who believe in the death, burial & resurrection of Jesus Christ and his eventual return to earth will Jesus will take with at the Rapture. You believe that the Rapture and the 2nd coming are the same event. When the bible clearly states that these 2 events. And 2 great examples of the Rapture happen before judgement is Enoch & Elijah. Where Enoch was taken before the flood judgement. And Lot is also a type of the Rapture where he was removed from Sodom & Gomorrah before the fire judgement. And our Lord is the type of the Rapture when he was ascended into Heaven.
Steven Whitehouse I dont believe in the rapture? No, you got it wrong. I dont believe in your pre-first seal fairy tail. I believe in the rapture alright, but the BIBLICAL rapture, which is AFTER a falling away from the faith, AFTER the abomination of desolation, and ON the day of the Lord, just like BOTH Thessalonian letters describe (as well as Jesus Himself in the Olivate Discourse)
My problem is not with scripture, but your bad interpretation of it. Anyone who says that the return of the Lord and our gathering unto Him is before the falling away and the abomination of desolation is automatically wrong in light of 2 Thessalonians 2. It is word for word. Im sorry, but you have been deceived about this. Go read it for yourself.
Well, as I said to one person. I'll say to u that'll you will believe it when it happens. Many people like you mock the coming of Jesus's returns. You say where is the promise of his coming he'll never return. He appears in the clouds to take his children home to be with him. And Jesus is NOT a fair nor is the bible. Did u know that Iraq/Iran is Babylon who destroyed Babylon in 586 B.C. that war is described in Jeremiah & Daniel Both Prophets. And the reason why God allowed Israel to be destroyed is they turned their back on God and worshiped other Gods that weren't no gods at all they were made man.
Steven Whitehouse you know, ive looked back over my posts, but I cannot find anywhere thats even close to what you just said. Quit making stuff up and lets talk like grown ups.
The Prophet Daniel says in Dan 9:27 That he's come in peacefully. And thanks for this message about the Rapture. I certaintly enjoy your jokes and humor on this subject.
Do not add anything to the works that the Lord Jesus Christ did for us. Just SIMPLY BELIEVE. That's it! The World, and those that simply just don't get it have to add various additions to Salvation. NO! How you live after you have been saved is YOUR CHOICE! Yes, carrying on living in the old life, in the old ways, not listening to God, will, perhaps lose you gifts, rewards, & blessings that are yours by Grace in this life or when you get to Heaven. He loved us SO much that he gave us a choice - even after Salvation - either to carry on living in the OLD MAN, or the way HE would want us to live - Righteous & in the NEW man, the spirit, not in the old man which is spiritually dead. You see when The Lord Jesus Christ comes into our lives at the NEW BIRTH, he gives us a new life that will go to Heaven, washed in THE BLOOD of CHRIST. This does'nt mean our old life has gone, the old man! It just means that we can now live and choose to be how GOD would want us to live. BUT, we still have the capability to jump back into the old life. And more than likely we will because of our SIN nature, the world, and everything that is corrupt around us. BUT, WE ARE STILL SAVED. It's our NEW LIFE, hidden in CHRIST that goes to Heaven, THE SPIRIT. We needed a SAVIOR - all of us - NON are good enough through our own endeavours, are own efforts, are own SELF righteousness. WE WILL NEVER BE GOOD ENOUGH to enter HEAVEN on our own merits because of original sin, ADAM'S legacy. ALL of us are born spiritually dead. So we needed a SAVIOUR! The Lord Jesus Christ is the answer to that problem. If we could have done it alone, HE wouldn't have had to come and die! HIS BLOOD is the ANSWER, not just the SHEDDING, but the SPRINKLING - the APPLIANCE - on the MERCY SEAT in Heaven. Because of this, you now have a chance of ETERNAL LIFE. BELIEVE it, and LIVE.
There is no verse that specifically states the pre-trib rapture
+John Riley The same number of verses where the trinity is stated.
sure there is 2nd thes 2 7 8, John 14 2 4
***** yep scripture interprets scripture.
That's why the Bible doesn't teach a pretrib rapture, but pre-wrath.
There is no verse that specifically states "rapture"
This is EXCELLENT. This man is speaking the truth - re. politics; one world government/religion; political correctness . . . it's encouraging to hear a pastor with such courage and truth. (Political correctness is evil).
bless u brother in christ Jesus.
Those who sin are of the devil...if you say you have no sin you make GOD a lier and the truth is not in you.
Good word Pastor, I agree. Matthew 25:1-13 ;o}
we have already been judged for our sins, but Jesus took that since on his cross So why would God judge us again Read Revelation carefully
The Bible says also in Daniel, that the Anti-Christ will come out of Europe and so will the False prophet. Yes, there'll be 2 during the tribulation.
Great sermon :)
simply type in a search paul was pretrib gracethrufaith. super simple.
Do we have to take Communion to be Saved because In John Jesus says if you don’t drink my blood and eat my flesh you have no life in yourselves If you drink my blood and eat my flesh I will give you eternal life but Jesus also says in John Verily Verily I say unto you whosoever Believeth on Me hath Everlasting Life I am confused Are we Saved by doing certain things or by Grace Alone through Faith Alone in Christ Alone? Thank you for All your Help and Time God Bless you
I love pastor Ralph Yankee Arnold, but the pre-trib rapture just doesn't hold water. I hope he watches After the Tribulation, a great documentary on TH-cam that debunks the pre-trib rapture.
www.thbunker.com/#!last-days--left-behind/c1h03
I agree. I love how he teaches the simple truth of Salvation. I will not listen to the heresy of dispensationalism or pre-trib rapture. It is not scriptural and is the doctrine of men. While he uses KJV he also uses Scofield's KJV.
Anno Domini shutup
Ralph is good on soteriology, but terrible on prophecy. He needs to examine the pre-trib rapture with the same scrutiny he gives to Calvinism and other heresies. If he did, he would actually come to a knowledge of truth! Oh, the havoc old C.I. Scofield has wrought in the Christian Church. Don't be ignorant. Do the research!
Negative on that..
Have researched the matter extensively already!
I'll go with what the church has believed for thousands of years, not what some crooked lawyer and convict cooked up with the Scofield Reference Bible. Been there and done that. There is a zero percent probablility of ever believing that view ever again. I wish more professing Christians would wake up from their slumber, but in these last days, it really seems unlikely.
Actually the Second Coming/Rapture (same thing) is very easy to understand if you don't listen to the doctrines of men and just read the Bible without Scofields notes and listen to other Dispensational nonsense. After reading that ridiculous diatribe above, I am even more convinced of the truth and of the strong delusion that seems to only affect those living in the affluent United States of America.
***** No the pre trib is the most stupid and evil lie put out by the sons of disobedience today and you did fall for it and now you are lying to others. shame on you! wake up and repent, stop this bullshit! pre-trib is from man and people turn back to post trib because of the Word of God!
***** You are either a false brother or just another blind follower of blind man. Shame on you, lying to people! pre-trib is from the devil, from demons! its a teaching of demons! is is so easy to expose it but no matter what Verses i would bring to you, you fool would pervert them anyway. you are not wise, you are blind and you follow blind man and not Jesus Christ. but you will learn it the hard way when you take the mark some day because you were not ready to keep the faith in the first half. and being a false prophet! and maybe you will be so blind already that you will fall for the antichrist when he appears in an unidentified flying object to make war.
you dont know what you are talking. What Jesus said is referred to His coming at the End when only a few will survive the great tribulation (last 3 1/2 years). this means not much faith will be left. the others will be beheaded.
you have no idea what salvation is all about. YOU are the righteous, arrogant and deceived!
***** No you are wrong. this is a stupid answer you just gave me. YES, a brother can be wrong and false! read James 5, 19-20! you seem to be a false brother who sneaked in the church to decieve many. Everybody who reads this: PLEASE DO NOT LISTEN TO THIS LIAR WHO TALKS LIKE THE SNAKE! PLEASE READ YOUR KJV AND PRAY AND STUDY YOURSELF WITHOUT LISTENING TO THIS OR MANY OTHER DANGEROUS LIARS WHO ARE LIKE THE PLAGUE HERE ON TH-cam, TRYING TO DECIEVE MANY!!
i trust god as my savior 👏
Agree We need Jesus
Pre-tribbers say to depart from the faith means to depart from this world to be in heaven
1Tes4:16 ",,,and the dead in Christ shall rise first,,," is that a resurrection?
Arnold says trust Christ as Savior to be saved but trust is from the head belief is from the heart he uses them interchangeably as thou they are the same.
It is interesting to note that John MacArthur is also a believer in a pre-tribulation rapture ; this is something that Dr Arnold agrees with MacArthur about .I say this because I have just heard Dr Arnold being extremely critical of John MacArthur on another utube video. For anyone interested in hearing two opposing views concerning the topic of the rapture may I direct them to the following ututbe video ? ...'John MacArthur v Zac Poonen on the topic of the rapture' It lasts 14 mins 54 secs in total.
The mistake so many pre-tribbers make is to say that the falling away is the rapture and here Ralph has said it, this is serious error
no the falling away is not the rapture, the falling away happens before the reserection rapture, the falling away is happening right now,
Paul tells us that the man of sin will be revealed in his time and that he who is restraining lawlessness right now will contine to do so until he is taken out of the way, the only being with enough supernatural power to restrain lawlessness right now is God himself his holy spirit and since the holy spirit dwells in every true believer never to leave when God takes his holy spirit out of the way we are taken out of the way as well.
but you all have the living preceding the dead you say the second coming is Mathew 24 29 31 and I agree it lines right up with Revelation 19 11 16 you all say the rapture occures at the second coming though there is no mention of the dead in Christ rising first in Mathew nor Revelation, the first reserection doesn't occur until after Jesus has already returned to earth and has cast the anti christ and his false prophet into the lake of fire Rev 20 1 3 then the first reserection happens but by that time you all have had the living raptured. that will not happen.
is the first resurrection Rev 20 4 the first reserection?
+Tony Eaton I wonder how anyone reading the scripture about the `falling away` could think that is referring to the rapture .
chris thomas I honestly don't know Chris, it's sad to see so many people decieved, most of the people who believe that also follow the Roman Catholic churches doctrine of replacement theology.
They don't descern the difference between israel / jews and the church.
***** where did I take God out of thevword?
***** how did the holy spirit operate in the old testament? He did not indwell anyone he came when called upon, it will be the same during Daniels 70th week,
Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. (Matthew 24:29-31 KJV)
Matthew 24 starts out with the disciples asking Jesus what will be the end? In verse 20, Jesus says “pray your flight not be on the Sabbath”. That’s bizarre. Why as gentiles would we care if our flight is on the Sabbath? We won’t - Matthew 24 speaks to the Jews, not the Church. The confusion with Matthew 24 arises because people don’t realize Jesus comes twice. Once in secret for his bride the Church (the rapture), once publicly at the end of Revelation (the Second Coming). Those two events are not the same. Careful examination of the NT shows one is private, one public. They can’t be the same event, and they aren’t. Some people become confused because they mix the Jews and the Church. But those are two different groups, with two different plans. Don’t make the mistake the Church has taken the place of the Jews - the promises to the Jews in the OT are still in effect.
see how 357 Trent doesn't know Gods Word. its because he doesn't study it.
All the Pre-tribbers should by now be seeing by the world they are "in" that they are in fact living IN the tribulation, IN the seals. Christ comes in the midst of the week, at the 6th seal, exactly as John describes seeing IN HEAVEN the "great multitude who came OUT OF great tribulation!"
Covenant promises are being mixed with those of the church and they are different! This is why no one comes to an agreement. Pre-tribulation is simple when you keep this in mind. So many words and nothing said.God help us!
Dr Ralph Yankee Arnold is one of the best.
please forgive me but I don't understand your response to this Pastor.
Really? I watched your sermons until this one. Finished.
I don't know pre tribulation folks think it means that when the holy spirit is taken out then stuff is gonna happen, they had tribulation in the disciples days with the holy spirit. HOW IN THE WORLD CAN THE HOLY SPIRIT BE TAKEN OUT OF THE WORLD IF THE HOLY SPIRIT IS GOD AND GOD IS EVERYWHERE SMH.... THINK FOLKS...... We're called to go through tribulation then why do we on in America think we not going through tribulation........... if ur pre trib you believe in 2 rapture
Exactly. And they always go to 1 thess 5:9 were not appointed to wrath but chapter 3 says we've appointed to tribulation. Tribulation comes before Gods wrath.
jonque byrd shutup
48;48 The falling away is the catching up???The wrath of God is the tribulation???
Exactly. It's pre trib arguments!! It's nonsense!!
What about what Jesus wants ? Does nobody see this ? He wants His Bride , He paid dearly ,More than any man has suffered ! He does not want His Bride battered broken and beheaded . He has such good things and supernatural protection for His Bride ,Isiah 55, Psalms 91 , are we willing to throw these HUGE promises for a few verses that most people take out of context ?
Amen!
No there are verses that tell us about the trinity but No verse that gives us proof of the pre-trib rapture To say the bible implying it is not sufficient
The Bible points to a pre-wrath rapture. Wrath is of God and we are not appointed to wrath. Tribulation is what the world and the antichrist does to believers. KNOW THE DIFFERENCE!!
Post trib, pre wrath is the right position!
And who opens the first seal in Rev. 6:1? The Lamb, which we know is Jesus Christ.
Jesus is God. (John 10:30)
So, since Jesus is God, how then is the anti christ not part of God's wrath?
Plus, John the Baptist, a believer, is taken up to heaven BEFORE the opening of the first seal by the Lamb.
I'm not saying I could be wrong in how I'm interpreting this. This is just what I believe.
I do _know_ and believe that God exists in three persons (1 John 5:7-8).
I have always believed pretrib but really the bible reads midtrib better than anything. So far I'm not hearing any solid scripture on pretrib, like most pretrib ministers I'm hearing their take why it should be pretrib, not Gods take.
BACKYARD SPARROW no
24;08 You got it alright.Pride goeth before destruction.The pride of thine heart hath deceived thee'
It's irrelevant what I feel but what the bible says that is the most important thing and it does not say the rapture will occur before the tribulation Also the is a difference between the tribulation and the day of Lord that occurs after the tribulation I. E Armagedon
You're correct. When I understood the day of the Lord, it's what convinced me that the pretrib rapture was false, among other things. I wrote a book on the subject.
The pre-trib rapture is biblical. Period.
Tamie Christian What undeniable biblical proof do you have that supports a pretrib rapture? I would like to address your response. Thanks
Billy Broadwater
Why so you can get into a debate, Because you are pushing a doctrine to get the unread to miss it, and you want to use this platform to further your agenda, confusing people??
So you can manipulate scriptures, and go back and forth with me for days on end??
I just left someone who got into it for a week and a half with me and two others and she is still going at it.
This doctrine is designed by satan through the seventh day adventists to get people to miss the rapture.
It is also designed for those comfortable lukewarm christians who feel guilty that they are not going through any persecution.
I will be happy to provide scripture with someone who is truly seeking the truth. Unfortunately, that is not the case with you.
The devil knows his time is short and the rapture will happen very, very soon.
Your kind is on assignement to rob the little time that the saints have to reach the lost.
Billy Broadwater
If you truly would like scriptures on the pre-trib rapture, go to my post.
I have a full sermon on the topic with comments who support the pretrib rapture.
As for me, I have to give two bible studies, intercede for someone who is persecuted on his job, and another who is attacked by satan because he just redicated his life to the Lord, and another who just converted to catholicism.
If you would like to stay for the tribulation period, be my guest. I am preapring to go home with the saints.
he didnt read a single verse that clearly told of a "rapture"! He kept ADDING "rapture" to everything.... thats call a "presupposition" which is what the pretrib rapture theory is Completely constructed from.... "Presupposition" look up the definition and prove me wrong....
the great tribulation is NOT the wrath of God. that's where people are mistaken. that would be the devils wrath.
The day of the Lord is the millennial
He is correct on the Gospel and the Rapture.
@@patprr1756 On both. Wake up!
@@patprr1756 Again, he’s right on both. Get my head out of the sand? You quit being an idiot.
Man this is confusing! For many years I was pre-trib. Then I changed to post-trib, after seeing "after the tribulation" movie. I am just gonna stick with pre-trib...or maybe mid-trib. lol
May as well be pre-trib, it's the only one that makes sense. I just did a Video Bible Study today titled Rapture of the Church where I use the scriptures and determine why it has to be pre-trib and not the others: post/no rapture, pre-wrath, mid.
Feel free to check it out if you want.
Taking about bodies is pure foolishness
Jesus came back in judgment already in ad 70 he judge Israel for killing the prophets and killing him he destroyed their Temple and ushered in the New Kingdom the dead was resurrected out of Hades into heaven and those that were in Christ was resurrected to New Life
SELAHPAUSE not really...because the church is still here...he comes back in the clouds and every eye will see him
Brook Lindsay lol..... he said he was coming back in Judgment of old Covenant Israel he never said he was coming back but early when that Temple failed in ad 70 that was Jesus returning in judgment to destroy Israel and Usher and his new kingdom which is the church read Matthew 24 real slow and read it from their point of view
After the Tribulation
it is absolutely NOT biblical. you cannot even begin to prove that lie. as a matter fact, if you would let me know, I can prove, PROVE, the opposite. blessings!
Amen !