John 16:33 King James Version 33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.
1 John 5:13 (KJV) These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
Wonderful teaching. I've been living under a cloud since my husband of 23 yrs divorced me wo warning, 4 yrs ago. During our marriage, he had been a church elder, a youth pastor, a co-pastor and a worship leader, which he still is today. The most gifted worship leader, I've ever seen. I never lost my belief in the Lord, but the whole thing did damage my security in Christ. Like if my husband could leave me and the Lord was silent for almost 4 years....did He leave me also. I know that goes against the Word. But as much of a mental mess as I've been, its been hard to trust my feelings. I raised my hand when you prayed. I plan to watch this again tomorrow...(later today, its 2:45 AM) take notes and remember the Lord. I know what my husband did was wrong. He's committed adultery with 3 women and his church worships his talent more than Christ, cuz he increases attendance numbers, so he brings his adulteresses to church! I don't wish him evil. I still love him. And I forgive him, but he ruined my life, he scattered a whole family and it derailed my strong belief. It didn't wreck it, but I did need the reminder. Thank you!!
That is tough Sheri. A college student told Billy Graham that after he left home he wasnt faithful anymore and could Billy help him. Billy told hie he had mom and dads Jesus but didnt have his own Jesus. So find your Jesus the one of scripture and have a relationship with Him (Rev 3.20) and worship him not your spouse. Ill pray for you.
You can't trust a person these days. You have to trust the Word of God. Get an audio Bible and play it instead of radio or TV. It's easily the smartest thing I've ever done. Preachers and churches almost made an unbeliever of me. They preach anything that will fill the pews. Jesus is the literal Word of God. The more Word of God you get into you, the more Jesus you get into you. Don't believe anything you can't find in the New Testament and believe everything you find in it. The Apostle Paul was taken up to Jesus and got his orders straight from Our King Himself or he is a liar and the Bible is not true. The 7th chapter of Romans is one of the most important to me. Jesus told me that He would never leave me almost 50 years ago. As I look back I see two sets of footprints every step of the way. I have had 2 bad marriages. I never cheated but both wives did and I forgave them. It did no good. The enemy will do anything to destroy us. The pure Word of God and prayer is the only way. We are warned that MANY will not endure sound doctrine and will depart from the faith. Jesus said that many would be called but FEW would be chosen. Persecution is a sign of your salvation. If the enemy doesn't come against you then he doesn't hate you. Fill yourself with the pure Word of God and pray that you be found worthy to escape the things that are coming on the Earth.
Wheather pre, mid, or post. The second coming of Christ is coming. We are saved believeing the gospel, and trusting Christ as savior. No matter what view anybody holds, does not excuse serving the lord( not for salvation, but out of love). Jesus christ is coming back, the question is, will we be found faithful, or ashamed.
I shared this with some people who were questioning the pre trib rapture. Pastor Arnold is so good at explaining things simply, so as to help us fully understand.
What about John 6:40? "For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.” Seems clear to me that we are raised at Our Lord's Second Coming - no?
Just here to send you all blessings beloved saints. Prepare also for tribulation, because if this rapture that the majority of the church is waiting for, those that did believe this will have their faith shaken. Hold fast that faith that was once delivered unto the saints. Beloved, read your Bibles. Amen
Paul in 1 Corinthians 15:52 - In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the LAST TRUMP last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. We are changed at the LAST TRUMP and where is this found? In REVELATION, the LAST BOOK of the Bible there are 7 trumps and the 7th trump is the LAST ONE and is at the END end of the tribulation. there is not a 7th last trump prior to the tribulation.
Why are post-tribbers angry with the pre-tribbers? Does it even matter? You're not gonna lose your salvation if you choose one and not the other. Yous fight over the stupidest thing and make it seem like we're gonna lose our salvation if you believe in a pre-trib rapture. If I believe in a pre-trib rapture (due to overwhelming evidence) then so be it. But does that mean I'm gonna lose my salvation? NO. All these post-tribbers just like to get angry here and there, everywhere I see on the internet, all these pre-trib haters and accusers. SO???? DOES THAT DETERMINE MY SALVATION? NO. If the pre-trib rapture doesn't happen, then ok, gooddddddd, (which i doubt isn't going to), what are you going to gain from it? nothing, so stop hating and demanding to tell you where this and that is, study it yourself. People say "where in the Bible does it say there is gonna be a 7 year trib?", 2 Tim 2:15, God said to study the Bible, you don't just read it and then BOOM the answer is given, you study it and put the pieces together. Stop hating on other Christians and go spread the Lord's words because we shouldn't be so consumed in this debate but consumed in the Lord's work. "where in the Bible does it say this and that?" are you serious? go read it and study the Bible, stop asking others for verses in the Bible to prove this and that. You trying to disprove God's word by proving it with His own words? Yous make it seem that God is contradicting Himself.
J P There is no partial rapture. Only one rapture and it is pre-trib and for the bride. Luke 21 29-36, Matthew 24 32-51, Mark 13 28-36 and Matthew 25 1-13 are the pre-trib rapture. After that event, the only way to get a sinless spiritual body is through martyrdom. The only exception to that is for 144,000 chosen from the nation of Israel. They will be the only ones that get a sinless body while being translated to heaven alive.
oh jkkk i thought you meant something else. I believe in a pre-trib. All this hate against pre-trib is just validity for me hahaha. Yeah for the Bride Of Christ.
J P Believers living a godly life will be taken. However, there are some believers that at the time of the pre-trib rapture will not listen and they are called evil servants. These people know the Lord. Even though they see all things coming together, they will be beating their fellow servants and be hanging out with the drunks thinking their Lord is delaying His coming (Matthew 24 48-51). They will be left behind with another group called hypocrites. Hypocrites are people that never really knew the Lord (Matthew 25 1-13 and Matthew 7 21-23).
Thank you! I was explaining this chapter in relation to the rapture and had many arguments that Matthew 24 has no correlation to the rapture. I got in a rut thinking I cannot trust myself to understand God’s word accurately.
@@mikha007 i know and agree but anyone on here who hasn't felt or experienced satan's wrath before now must not be living right. Some of us he's been using for target practice our whole lives.
I am neither pre-trib nor post-trib. I am pro ENTERING through the narrow gate that leads to life; pro OVERCOMING the flesh, the world, and the devil: pro ENDURING till the end.
I'm pro relying completely on the forgiveness and grace of Christ Jesus. P.S. Post-Trib/Pre-Wrath is provably the correct view that unites and harmonizes all verses on the catching away or "rapture".
@@randyd9805 So you believe Murray except when it comes to the timing of the rapture? That's about the only thing he had right. It's not what makes more sense to you, it's about what God's word says. "That day shall not come until...the man of sin is revealed."
@@randyd9805 Yes, I believe the Post-trib/Pre-wrath is the correct view; but by no means do I believe differing views are unacceptable and or that perfect agreement on eschatology is required for salvation. Cheers! P[>
I was looking at the says those days will be shortened for the elects sake and I looked more and it looks like the elect are the Jews. But the bible says there is neither jew or gentile bond or free all one in Christ. If it is the Jews only who will lead them to truth. I thought the same and wondered if they would make a false rapture to make people think they were left behind so they give up ... ? I am not sure trying to research. We are very close to it all falling apart. It says satan comes down with great wrath. So is it satans wrath because isnt Gods wrath the day of the Lord?
I remember when this video was new when I watched it and loved it. It’s still a classic, so I love to go back and refresh the excitement I had the first time. Times have certainly changed since then. Urgency and imminency sure has more meaning these days. Thank you and keep looking forward To His promise.
@@artifacthunter1472this is the same meaning, before you rey to a comment in tje web have your facts correct all else makes you look foolish and ignorant
@Karen Templin apparently you understood nothing from this video , delete youtube ...rightly dividing is the main difference between all you post trib believers....you think you're so much smarter than people than have understood it in the absolute correct context ....
honestly i dont really see why it could be during or after the tribulation like why would the lord put us through so much pain then send us to heaven that isnt so loving isnt it
Very clear and excellent presentation of the difference between the two events. The comments in this string to the contrary just reflect ignorance of God's word.
We actually don't go up until he comes down then we come down with Him . But we do die or skip death which is the rapture. But then we sleep a little while which will seem like no time cause it's sleep. AND then we come down with Him during the parousia. But it is said 1/3 of people will be killed at the opening of the 4th seal (euphrates drying up etc) and the 2/3s will not repent. Therefore these are the people that do not believe, and suffer the great tribulation. But all believers "die" among the 1/3 of people that are killed. Revelations 12:21 I believe (?) .. the end times are now. Do not fear. But brace yourself and trust in the Lord with all of your heart and lean NOT on your own understandings. But acknowledge Him in all of your ways and your path will be made straight." God bless you soldiers 🙏🏼🙌🏼
@@hutrillz.official do you actually hear what you just said 🤔 we don't go up until he comes down! Then we come down with him??? How are we going to come down with him if he's already down??? 😆 🤣 😂 . We meet him in the clouds ⛅. This is the rapture. In the second coming we come down with him.
Of course it is. It's not even a topic of debate if it weren't for all the false Christians in modern times trying to refute this 2,000 year old doctrine.
Jesus will protect his bride from the filthy time of the devil. Trust the Good Shepherd, he gave His life for his little flock, no savage wolves are going to harm us... Come back soon Lord Jesus so we can be with you forever.
If that is the case why do people die by the hands of evil? Wouldn’t that go against your character that you describe Jesus as? We will have to go through the great tribulations but the beautiful thing about salvation and a relationship with Jesus is eternal life. This life is temporal and with that mindset tribulations are nothing compared to the Glory of God. We often worry about our problems that we forget the Kingdom is infinite and will be far greater than any hardship or blessing we receive on this earth in our carnal flesh. Whether it’s post or pre just be spiritually ready and make sure our garments are spotless by the blood of the lamb. Love you and God bless
the end is on the last day after the tribulation, indeed all need to come to Jesus soon because soon the tribulation will begin and there are so many who are luke warn that will fall away from faith and many who still have not come to Christ.
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I trust Jesus chirst and his death burial and Resurrection and by his blood iam made clean prase the Lord Jesus iam not ashamed of my father 1stcorinthians 151-4 the gospel of salvation kjv Bible trust in Christ death burial and Resurrection to be saved 1st Corinthians 15 1 through 4 the gospel of salvation by faith just his death burial and Resurrection for your salvation just that his blood is covered all your sins past present future Jesus loves you
67/68AD 1st Jewish Jubilee, 2 years before the Romans sacked Jerusalem and destroyed the Second Temple. 2017/2018AD 40th Jewish Jubilee, Israel getting ready to rebuild Third Temple. 40 Jubilees reflects that of the Jews spending 40 years in the wilderness in Moses days for complaining to Moses and God.
The book of Mathew does actually mention the rapture and the second coming “Watch therefore, for you know neither the day nor the hour.” Matthew 25:13 ESV “"Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.” Matthew 24:29-31 ESV
IT - the 12 knew nothing about the body of Christ or the rapture of the body of Christ. Jesus commanded the apostles to go not into the way of the gentiles. the middle wall of partition didn’t get removed until (Eph 2:14)
The Bema Seat Judgment or Judgment Seat of Christ is the next prophetic event that happens when all of the true believers in Christ past and present, are transported and translated into the Kingdom of God and Heaven, and each one of us will stand in the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ and all of our thoughts, emotions, words, and actions will be brought forth and everything that was not for the advancement of the Kingdom of Christ Jesus and everything that was not for His Glory, and everything that was not pure and true, will be burnt like wood, hay, and stubble, and whatever is left, all of those thoughts, emotions, words, and actions, that glorified our Lord God, King and Savior; Jesus Christ, will be tried in the fire and all impurities will be removed, and what is left will be like gold, silver, and precious stones. This will be the removing of sins from our eternal spiritual bodies, so that we may be able to finally stand in the presence of our Heavenly Father through our relationship restoration through Jesus Christ. This will be followed by the Marriage of the Lamb, when the Church; the Bride and body of Christ, will be united with Jesus; the Bridegroom and Head of the Eternal Heavenly Body of Christ, as was the original plan of our Heavenly Father and Lord God Jesus Christ. Peace and Maranatha.
2 Thessalonians 2:3, is confirmation of the pre-trib rapture: 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a [departure] falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 2 Thessalonians 2:3 The first seven English translations of apostasia all rendered the noun as either “departure” or “departing.” They are as follows: Wycliffe Bible (1384); Tyndale Bible (1526); Coverdale Bible (1535); Cranmer Bible (1539); Breeches Bible (1576); Beza Bible (1583); Geneva Bible (1608). This supports the notion that the word truly means “departure.” In fact, Jerome’s Latin translation known as the Vulgate from around the time of A.D. 400 renders apostasia with the “word discessio, meaning ‘departure.’”
I feel bad for all of these people with ugly spirits attacking the pre-trib position. All you have to do is pray for discernment, and the Lord will give it to you, if you are actually saved of course.
Well, at least Satan has your back Cheryl. Many people here go by the word of God and the FALSE rapture simply is NOT in it. Perhaps you can get a copy and read it? Or have someone read it to you? ZERO scripture to support the FALSE rapture teaching. We WILL be here for the tribulation. I hope you make ready for it.
Dezman, so being rude is ok in God's eyes? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA So then I can laugh at you and it's ok? Great!
Cheryl S Amen Cheryl.. don’t mind the noise .. people have been attacking the Pre tribe rapture forever. You know what is really behind their hatred and animosity of this biblical truth ? It’s pride and fear, nothing more . They feel they have to do good works to make it into heaven. Basically they think they are going to make it on their own. Jesus keeping us from the wrath to come hurts their pride because they think they have to gain god’s favor on their own merits. Just pray for them. Keep looking up sister.
Almost without exception, where one puts the Rapture, determines to what degree they understand the Gospel. If one places the Rapture at the end of the Tribulation, they can't say with 100 percent certainty that they believe in Eternal Security, because they would think they have to "endure to the end to be saved", when that statement wasn't about salvation at all, but about surviving the Tribulation hour. I have always believed a PRE-TRIB Rapture, and I will until God calls me home or up to meet Jesus in the clouds.
Yes we avoid God's wrath, that is very clear in scriptures. The Jews and Arabs in Israel have to endure until the end of the Tribulation to be saved. They'll have to resist the Mark of the Beast that allows to buy/sell (cashless payments).
That's a flat out LIE and I'm sick of seeing it. I love all of my brothers and sisters who understand that salvation of free and by grace through faith alone without any works. But y'all are LYING if you say that I think it is by works for post-trib. We endure to the end because we are His, not because we try. We aren't going to deny Him because of His grace. It's not possible. We KNOW that it's not by our works which is why we are so in love with Him. Enduring isn't a work anymore than faith is. They're both gifts. There is no boasting in any of it. In the same way that we reject Calvinism because of their idea that your WORKS prove your salvation, because they don't understand which works are spoken of, in that same sense, y'all who are pre-trib are thinking that ONLY because you fear you'll have to work to endure. But you won't. You're sealed by the Holy Spirit, you have faith because of God you'll endure because of God also. Y'all are unbiblical regarding the end because you refuse the CLEAR Scripture because you know you're saved by grace, so you're afraid of anything that LOOKS like work. But you're misunderstanding it. And one day, I hope the beautiful community of people like YOU who GET GRACE will finally wisen up and realize that you should be willing to go through tribulation and trust God to endure you. You don't have to trust in yourself, so don't worry about that. But we go through tribulation, Paul says EXPLICITLY that that day will not come UNTIL THE MAN OF SIN IS REVEALED because people were being afraid by rumor that they had missed the gathering. THAT IS WHAT THE COMFORT WAS, that they hadn't missed it, that it WILL BE glorious, and not to worry if we struggle until then. So let me tell you, you believe by grace through faith, so you WILL endure. You won't HAVE to. So don't worry.
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. Matt 24:29-31 (KJV) 14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. 1 Cor 2:14-15 (KJV)
The scriptures are pretty clear, the church will Not be here during the Tribulation period,but things could still get real ugly before the tribulation begins
@PlowsharesintoSwords Not being here to go through the great tribulation is exactly how us pre-tribbers won't be appointed to wrath. It's like keeping a little kid out of a haunted house tour so they won't have to experience what's within it.
He appears on the surface, or if you wanna put it, clouds, once (at the rapture), and fully descends down onto earth after the 7-year great tribulation (at the second coming) with the people who were raptured before it started. You can learn this all at a Church, just wait 'til rapture sessions come around, and you'll hear pre-trib being taught by the pastor, and I've already been there.
Isaiah 26:19-21 references the resurrection found in 1 Cor 15:50-53. However, that “rapture” as you call it is on the last day. It is after the tribulation. This is why the passage gives you the clue “Last Trumpet”. That means there will be no other trumpet afterward. That’s what “last” means after all. Look in Matt 24’ to see the trumpet AND the elect believers being caught up. The preceding verse says “immediately AFTER the tribulation of those days...”. Add in that Christ says FOUR times in John 6 that He will raise us up AT THE LAST DAY! Maybe last means least! Also, you’ll notice that Isaiah says to lock your doors and hide a little while
@@jimoaks9270 it’s believers period. Not OT Jewish believers. We the church are His Elect. Read Romans slowly and carefully from start to finish. The elect are comprised of believers from the nations + the tiny remnant of Jews who accept and believe in Jesus Christ. He is not a Jew who is one outwardly. We who believe are Abraham’s children. God has made Abraham to be a father of many nations because all who believe are of the faith of Abraham. He is a Jew who is one inwardly and circumcision is of the heart by the Spirit and not according to an outward code or physical lineage. That is Paul’s entire point in Romans 9 and 10. This discourse begins in chapter 2
Super you are taking a verse out of context. The Day of the Lord is a construct used to mean day of wrath, destruction, woe. The rapture has no indications of destruction, wrath or woe it is a joyful time which happens before Antichrist is revealed. Antichrist is during the tribulation. The presence of the Church blocks the revealing of the Antichrist. Rapture is not connected to the Day of the Lord. These are two distinct events.
Art Carlson This is how the BIBLE says things happen: NUCLEAR WAR with the Dragon and the Bear, Babylon The Great Falls to The Beast which is The Dragon and the Bear. THEN, after nuclear war THE MARK666 comes out THEN persecution and martyrs AND the falling away THEN the rapture This is the correct BIBLICAL ANSWER and in the next few years WE WILL ALL FIND OUT!! The final 7 years had already started BUT the BEAST reigns for 42 months so that begins when BABYLON THE GREAT FALLS IN ONE HOUR to The Beast
The pre-trib and post-trib arguments with regards to the rapture remind me of the story of the blind men and the elephant. Each claimed his version of the elephant was right based on his touch. But all of them didn’t realize they were all right as well as wrong. They are right for the part of the elephant they had touched but they were wrong when they insisted the elephant was just what they had described which were only parts of the elephant not the whole. So the rapture is the same. The pre and post tribbers are right as they can quote the verses for their beliefs but they are wrong to insist that the rapture is either pre or post. There are pre and post raptures for different groups of people. The Body of Christ gets caught up before the Tribulation while gentile and Jews who believe in Christ during the Tribulation must reject the mark of the beast and get beheaded or have to endure till the end of the Tribulation to be raptured after the Tribulation. The Bible verses don’t contradict each other. As there are verses for both, then of course there must be two different events for two different group of people.
@J T: Well said. . . and there is no one single verse that proves any of the views. I've held every one of the views at one time or another over my past 50 years of Bible studies. There are differing degrees of enlightenment. "You don't know what you don't know". . . It requires prayer, an open mind, and much study of old and new testament verses in context. I understand the strong belief feelings within each group, because, "been there done that" with each view myself, over time. Isa 28: 9-10 “Whom will he teach knowledge? And whom will he make to understand the message? Those just weaned from milk? Those just drawn from the breasts? For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept, Line upon line, line upon line, Here a little, there a little.” To avoid arguments with brothers and sisters in Christ, it's best not to debate it with self-proclaimed adamant know-it-alls. I was in that group years ago, myself. Many are influenced by what they were taught in their denomination, and they just cling to that teaching, throughout life, spouting out the same several verses they know. It's like reaching a verdict before examining all of the evidence. They don't realize they may not have seen all of the evidence. It takes awhile to get it. Salvation does not depend on one's rapture timing beliefs, so it may be best to "agree to disagree". Maranatha! (whenever).
lr whit Exactly. We just amen the verses. Can’t depend on anyone’s interpretation. I feel one should not cling to one’s favourite teacher’s interpretation and condemn others who don’t agree. Just pray for the Lord’s guidance and leading. Amen
Who are the elects? Matt 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
Those whom God knows will be saved, both the Jews who will repent at the end of the tribulation and Gentiles who become believers during the tribulation. "Elect" simply means those God knows will become saved eventually, but are not necessarily saved yet.
Those of us today saved under the Gospel of Grace are greatly blessed because our only instruction from God to obtain salvation is to believe on how Christ died, that He was buried, and that He rose to life. However I feel we have a great responsibility to leave a message of salvation to those left behind after the Rapture. They need to know the Holy Spirt escorts the Bride to the Bridegroom, no longer on earth to indwell believers. The method of salvation changes and if we don't know it we cannot leave a proper message. They should search for their instruction from God in the book of Matthew and the book of Hebrews and those following. The Gospel of Grace found in the 13 books beginning with the word "Paul" will have no more application for them than the Mosaic Law does for us today.
Someone used this verse, stating that the pre-trib rapture isn't biblical. How do I answer that? John 11:24-26 According to this verse, Lazarus won't be rising up from the dead at the rapture?
I for one believe that the pretrib is scriptural. It makes sense if you read the scripture with a clear and uncluttered mind. There is no agenda behind it. I am awaiting the rapture and I am going home, leaving this world behind. So will everyone else who believes and loves Christ.
@John, The Tribulation lasts 7 yrs in total. First half - beginning of sorrows, second half - Great Tribulation. Jesus comes at the end of it to set up his Kingdom. The mid point of the tribulation is where the Anti Christ declares himself to be God and demands to be worshipped, the Jews will flee as they realise he is not their Messiah. Hope this helps
Ted Bates : You asked your questions 11 months ago. Your second question is very easy and to answer that one point blank and directly, there is no pre-tribulation rapture and every single person who believes in it is cursed and some of those have also additionally had their names deleted from the Book of Life. Now with regard to your first question asking about a detailed timeline of prophesy and all the events which have both come and still remain outlined, I would be glad to outline that for you in whatever detail you wish to your curiousity anything from a general outline to a play by play of events ib the world, news headlines, and dates and how everything interconnects and related scriptures which sadly so many people often miss or don't yet understand. --John 21:18-24
@@jimoaks9270 Sure! Matthew 24:29-31, and Mark 13:24 says "After the Tribulation" the celestial event happens and the rapture takes place. The same celestial event happens in Revelation 6: 12:-13. It's also in Joel and Isaiah. I'll post them verses of needed Rapture is in Revelation 7:9. Then the wrath happens. Revelation 6,7,and 8 line up with Matthew 24. Before you say "Matthew 24 is only for the Jews read Mark 13 :37. I know you got some rebuttal. And I can predict what you will say. But I know what scripture will prove your rebuttals wrong. So rebuttal away.
We have a couple of videos on this topic in our Prophecy playlist. Check it out here: th-cam.com/play/PLpR5K6Sfai4TLLKfjoJtgEluW22jyBpF2.html - BBN Team
Luke 17 looks like the rapture to me. We don't "disappear" (verse 37). We leave our flesh behind. The second coming is when we get our glorified body (1 Cor 15). Maranatha!
i think it would be awesome to be standing in a cemetery when the rapture happens, and watch the graves (ground) crack open like an earthquake and then the caskets pushed up to the top and the covers fly open. Only trouble is, very few will get resurrected onto Life,so it would be very few. But the worst place to be would be in the shower...
Hahahaha. Thats amusing. Thinking the very same thing when I was in the shower a few days ago. I'm sure it would be fine. Just grab a towel in the twinkling of a twinkling of an eye. The cemetery would be pretty cool. Hi mum, bye mum. C u very soon. Hey God. You're scaring me. Didn't think it would take this lon--- . Ah, thank you.
Dang nice! 5 years ago and he's spot on. The times are now! God bless all of you soldiers of truth in the name of Jesus Christ! "Lean Not on your own Understandings but trust in Him with all of your heart! Acknowledge Him in *_ALL_* of your ways and your path will be made straight!" Let's goooooo!!!! We go to sleep, we wake up and we are floating up and meeting Him and then coming back down to see Him cast out Satan and His minions and see everyone confess and bow to Him! 🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼❤ 🎼I'm so excited. I just cant hide it. Every day I'm tested to just stay in my lane with my faith and stay blessed. Aaaamen!
Attention! Dont trust anyone! Read the Bible and pray! Dont leave your soul in the hands of sinner humans! Again, Do not trust anyone but the word of God. You are living in the days right before satan comes to claim he is " god" Stay alert and be ready to chose and die for Christ! Man up , Christ will be with you!
That's right. If you research and study the Biblical concept of Election, you will find it is NOT election for salvation like the calvinists think but rather chosen for a purpose. "The Elect" is Israel. The gathering is NOT the rapture or the Harpazo, a snatching away; it is a different word, epysunagogue. Therefore that difference, the fact it involves more than one angel, and they are calling from the 4 corners of the world shows this a different event than John 14:1-3, I Cor 15:51, 52, and 1 Thess 4: 13-17.
John 16:33 King James Version 33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.
Revelation 6:11 (KJV) [11] And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
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That's not written to us (the church), but to the Jews. Read the context, please. Then start reading the books of Paul, who, by the way, wrote about 2/3 of the New Testament.
@@fleurlewis but what about John 14: 1-3? Jesus said, "I go to prepare a place for you, and if I go to prepare a place for you I will come again and receive you unto myself that where I am there ye may be also." When Paul tells about the Rapture, he says that the Lord himself shall descend and we'll be gathered together.
@@fleurlewis Better study a little more, not all the apostles were Jews! Matthew 24 and Mark 13 and Luke 21 are parallel passages, look at the last verse of Mark; 37 And what I say unto you I say unto ''''all''''', Watch.
It seems to me that whenever someone is messed up on the tribulation it’s because they think the physical nation of Israel are Gods chosen people. Have you never read Romans 2:29 “But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.” Or 2 Timothy 3:12 “Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.” Or read on the fifth seal? Revelation 20:4 “And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.”
Question to pre tribbers: Matt 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: Rev 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; 6:13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. Do you agree these are one and the same event? If yes, and you think Matt24 is the 2nd coming and not the rapture, are you saying we are here when the 7 trumpets blow and 7 bowls are poured? Because this event is at the 6th seal..before the trumpets and bowls. Are you saying we are here for God's wrath..and Jesus himself is reigning with us in Jerusalem yet we are experiencing the 7 trumpet and 7 bowl wrath? Because those 2 scriptures are just before Jesus sends his Angel's to gather his elect(which I say is the rapture but you say is the 2nd coming where he gathers the jews and we fight armageddon and we reign a 1000yrs ) while the 7 trumpet and bowl wrath is poured upon us.
I disagree about people teaching that the "great tribulation will follow the rapture"! Please read what the Word of God teaches about it. Please read Revelations 7 : 9 - 17. Who are this people here the bible is talking about? Please read about the 7 year great tribulation and that we as the blood washed children of God will endure 42 months, Revelations 13 : 5 - 10 and Revelation 12 : 6 - 17. Study the Word of God so to be informed what lies ahead for us, and how God are protecting us before the coming of Jesus on the clouds, 1Korinthians 15..!
Thank you for making it so I can understand it. I've been saved for 30 years and could only get bits and pieces of the last days and the Revelation. Because so many people make it so confusing.
He absolutely did .....are you deaf, blind or igorant? Wow the problem with you in disbelief is that your reading like a child in pre K . The word of God in many passages is about context . You dont not understand who's talking to who , why and when ...this is your problem ...you think you know because you blindly read a verse or two....this is the most annoying piece about these "post trib scholars"
7 Logik actually, he did not prove. He merely asserted. He simply stated without proving that the "Elect" are physical Israel. He isolated the texts of 1 Thess 4 and 1 Cor 15 from their respective passages and missed key elements in each - namely that the shout of the archangel and trumpet (which are present in each) help identify the timeline. That is, these occur at the LAST trumpet. How many trumpets come after the LAST? None, else it would not be the last, would it? Now please go look once again and more carefully at Matt 24 and see there the same shout of the archangel and the same trumpet blast. Now please re-read Revelation and see exactly what the LAST trumpet and shout are. You’ll find very clearly that the LAST trumpet is indeed the LAST one. Our Lord made no grammatical or linguistic mistakes here. You now have a huge problem before you because the matching event in Matt 24 which has the saints being caught up in the air to meet the Lord does so accompanied by a shout and a trumpet. Is there another trumpet after The "last" trumpet?? If so, the one in 1 Cor 15 is then in no way to be called the “last”. Matt 24 event is the same as the 1 Cor 15 event, is the same as the 1 Thess 4 event, is the same as the Matt 13 parable of wheat and tares event. This is biblical continuity. According to the text (and not speculation), this takes place “immediately after the tribulation of those days”. In the parable of the wheat and tares you will clearly find that at the time of harvest the WICKED are gathered FIRST! The same as Matt 24 and Luke 17 where one is taken and one is left. Which is taken?? It is the wicked and not the righteous. You see, the text is clear in Luke 17 that the ones taken are taken to “destruction”. The disciples even asked "Where Lord?" That is, "where are they taken?". To which he answers that where the vultures (eagles/carrion birds) gather, there the corpse will be. This is quite possibly a reference to Ezek 39:17 "17 “As for you, son of man, thus says the Lord God, ‘Speak to every [j]kind of bird and to every beast of the field, “Assemble and come, gather from every side to My sacrifice which I am going to sacrifice for you, as a great sacrifice on the mountains of Israel, that you may eat flesh and drink blood. 18 You will eat the flesh of mighty men and drink the blood of the princes of the earth, as rams, lambs, goats and bulls, all of them fatlings of Bashan. 19 So you will eat fat until you are glutted, and drink blood until you are drunk, from My sacrifice which I have sacrificed for you. 20 You will be glutted at My table with horses and charioteers, with mighty men and all the men of war,” declares the Lord God." This may seem unbelievable to you but I caution you to look more carefully at the texts of 1 Thess 4 and 1 Cor 15 and put on your Sherlock Holmes hat. Use the clues of the trumpets and the shout. They are included for your learning and meant to lead you to the truth. Scripture harmonizes. There are not two comings of the Lord. There is one Day of The Lord when He will return with His saints, many of whom will be put to death in the Great Tribulation. He will raise the bodies of those who have died and are present with Him and then He will change those who remain and live through the tribulation. We shall then be caught up to meet Him in the clouds as He descends so that when He touches His feet we will be with Him in our glorified bodies. This is the same as when Rome conquered a city. They would stand outside the city gates and blow the trumpet of conquest. Then, all of the Roman citizens who were in the city being conquered would go outside the city gates and join with the Roman soldiers in triumphant entry into the city together. Just the same, when Jesus comes at the end of the Great Tribulation, on the Last Day, the Day of The Lord, He will come with our brothers and sisters who have fallen asleep. These shall receive their new bodies and then we who are alive and remain until the end (for we shall not all sleep or die) shall be changed and caught up. We shall be with Him as He judges the nations. They will first be gathered and bound in order to be burned. This is the clear meaning of the parable of the wheat and tares explained. The Harvest is at the "Consummation" and this word always references His Second Coming.
@@josephinemorgan6582 Tell us more about how this treaty with Israel plays into it all. Maybe I should ask - "yall needa be splainin' yoself asta how am weall needa lookat ISREAL"
The rapture issue is really a simple matter that many people have greatly complicated over the years. How can it be simple? There are only 2 main scriptures you need to know. These are 1. Mt. 13:24-30 Jesus told them another parable: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field. But while everyone was sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat, and went away. When the wheat sprouted and formed ears, then the weeds also appeared. “The owner’s servants came to him and said, `Sir, didn’t you sow good seed in your field? Where then did the weeds come from?’ “`An enemy did this,’ he replied. “The servants asked him, `Do you want us to go and pull them up?’ “`No,’ he answered, `because while you are pulling the weeds, you may root up the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn.’“ The 1st clue is "Let both grow together until the harvest." When you know when that time is you will have the answer. Does the Bible tell us when the harvest will be? Yes. Where in scripture is it? 2. The book of Revelation chapter 14; Re. 14:14-20 I looked, and there before me was a white cloud, and seated on the cloud was one “like a son of man” with a crown of gold on his head and a sharp sickle in his hand. Then another angel came out of the temple and called in a loud voice to him who was sitting on the cloud, “Take your sickle and reap, because the time to reap has come, for the harvest of the earth is ripe.” So he who was seated on the cloud swung his sickle over the earth, and the earth was harvested. Another angel came out of the temple in heaven, and he too had a sharp sickle. Still another angel, who had charge of the fire, came from the altar and called in a loud voice to him who had the sharp sickle, “Take your sharp sickle and gather the clusters of grapes from the earth’s vine, because its grapes are ripe.” The angel swung his sickle on the earth, gathered its grapes and threw them into the great winepress of God’s wrath. They were trampled in the winepress outside the city, and blood flowed out of the press, rising as high as the horses’ bridles for a distance of 1,600 stadia. [That is, about 180 miles (about 300 kilometres)] The scripture in Matthew is a parable which is a story Jesus told to make a point. Every parable has truth in it even though some of the scenarios may not actually have happened. Mt. 13:10-17 The disciples came to him and asked, “Why do you speak to the people in parables?” He replied, “The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. Whoever has will be given more, and he will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken from him. This is why I speak to them in parables: “Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand. In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah: “`You will be ever hearing but never understanding; you will be ever seeing but never perceiving. For this people’s heart has become calloused; they hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts and turn, and I would heal them.’ [Isaiah 6:9,10] But blessed are your eyes because they see, and your ears because they hear. For I tell you the truth, many prophets and righteous men longed to see what you see but did not see it, and to hear what you hear but did not hear it". What about all the other scriptures about the rapture? Some are legitimate and some have nothing to do with it. This agrees with all the legitimate NT scriptures. I'll reference some here if you want to do further study: Mt. 24:30-31, I Th. 5:1-11, II Th. 2:1-12, I Co. 15:51-58.
When does the bible says that we christians will not going to tribulation? There is 25 verses in the bible about the word tribulation and 24 of them is about us going through tribulation. And please give verses in the bible that says Jesus is talking about the jews and not us christians? Mark 13:37 And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.
Matt 24:20 proves that that message is for Jews who don't travel on Saturday. On the other hand, Revelation 2-3 was written specifically to Gentile Christian Churches, to whom Jesus promises will be kept from the TIME of Tribulation in Rev 3:10
Give me one clear verse in the bible that christian will be rapture before tribulation, revelation is all about the believers not the jews, the word jews only mention 2x in revelation, ( the synagogue of satan ) rev. 2:9/3:9
You demand a "one clear verse" proving that Christians don't go through the Tribulation. Why don't you produce "One Clear Verse" proving that Christians DO go through it? Why must it be contained in "One Verse"? Do you think the original bible had verse numbers? Also, the 7 churches were modern-day Turkey - NOT Israel. They were clearly GENTILE CHRISTIAN Churches. That's not even debatable.
K Potter Acts 14:22 Confirming the souls of the disciples, andexhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God. Romans 5:3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience; Romans 8:35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? Romans 12:12 Rejoicing in hope; patient in tribulation; continuing instant in prayer; 2 corinthians 1:3-4 Blessed be God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies, and the God of all comfort; 4 Who comforteth us in all our tribulation, that we may be able to comfort them which are in any trouble, by the comfort wherewith we ourselves are comforted of God. 2 corinthians 7:4 Great is my boldness of speech toward you, great is my glorying of you: I am filled with comfort, I am exceeding joyful in all our tribulation. 1 Thessalonians 3:4 For verily, when we were with you, we told you before that we should suffer tribulation; even as it came to pass, and ye know 2 Thessalonians 1: 4 So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure: John 16:33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.
Try to stay focused. We are talking about THE 7-Year Reign of Antichrist. NOT generic Tribulation/Persecution of all Christians including those who've died. You scoffers always play games like that.
PlowsharesintoSwords Yes. We are. Salvation for us in this age is Grace through Faith in our Lord Jesus Christ. Since the nation of Israel rejected their messiah, God blinded Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles. Romans 11:25
PlowsharesintoSwords We’re saves by grace through faith under Paul’s ministry. But Jews can be saved but Israel as a nation is blinded. If we were to go through the tribulation then we we wouldn’t be saved to begin with
PlowsharesintoSwords I’m not denying it. I’m showing you the difference from when Luke was written to Paul’s ministry. Luke was written before the cross. There was major shift from before and after the cross
I there is a pre-trib rapture, if will occur whether you believe it or not. If rapture is mid-trib then likewise. If post trib, then you will probably die and go to heaven during the tribulation. If there is NO rapture, or no tribulation, then that is pre-determined by the Father and what you believe affects nothing except your own state of mind. Whatever position you take on rapture or tribulation, it will not affect the Father's plans, so just enjoy your Christian life and love your brothers and sisters. Sooner or later we will find out.
If you believe in the pretrib rapture, there is still time to come out of that false doctrine. It will be one less thing to be afraid of at the bema seat...
* Some have raised the objection that 1 Thess. 4:16-17 does not explicitly state that Christ will return immediately to the earth, but then neither does it explicitly state, or even infer, that when he meets His church in the air (the Rapture) he will reverse His direction upward and return with them to heaven (for the Marriage Supper of the Lamb or whatever reason). Indeed, the Greek for the word “descend” (katabaino) in 1 Thess. 4:16 invariably means total descent to the earth here and in other texts in the New Testament. It is the same word in the Greek that is used to describe the descent of the Holy Spirit at Christ’s baptism (John 1:32). Further, why Should it be assumed that this happy, loving fellowship associated with the marriage feast of Christ can only take place in heaven. Do we not find in Scripture (Rev. ch. 21 and 22) that it not in heaven but on the earth that resurrected and glorified bodies of believers belong and therefore where the marriage feast of Christ will be. Question: Does Scripture confirm that the times of restitution of all things or the time for God to restore everything to Himself is at the end of the church age or the end of the Tribulation? Compare Rev. 10:5-7 and Rev. 11:15 below: ”And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven, And sware…that there should be time no longer: But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he had declared to his servants the prophets” (Rev. 10:5-7). (KJV). ”And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever” (Rev. 11:15). Underline or highlight: “The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ.” * Connected with the blowing of the seventh trumpet is the return of Christ and the end of the church age. This is confirmed by reading verses 6 and 7 in the context of Revelation , chapter 10 above: “…And sware that that there should be time no longer…But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished..,” and the announcement of the voices in heaven when the trumpet of the seventh angel sounded in Revelation 11:15: “The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.” * Think, beloved friends, this is at the end of the Tribulation or the end of the church age. It is only at the end of the church age or end of the tribulation when God has finished pouring out His judgments on this rebellious world that it can be said “that time should be no longer” and “the mystery of God" Should be finished” (Rev. 10:6 cf. Rev. 10:7). It is only at the end of the Tribulation or end of the age when Christ shall subdue all opposition to His rule and will make the kingdoms of this world His to reign over for ever and ever (compare Acts 2:34-35 previously discussed). If Christ were to come for the church seven years or three and one-half years before the end of the age or end of the Tribulation, then He would come before the restitution of all things or before the time for God to restore everything to Himself, including the kingdoms of this world. This, as Acts 2:34-35; 3:20-21 and other passages make perfectly clear, just cannot be and will not be. Christ simply cannot leave heaven before the end of the age (verse 21). So there will not be a coming of Christ before or during the Tribulation .If there were such a coming of Christ , then it would be necessary that He leave heaven before the restitution of all things or before the time for Him to restore all things to Himself. No, Christ is not coming in the air in a secret, silent way to suddenly remove His church before the Tribulation begins. He is not even coming to remove His church after the Tribulation begins, until the end of the church age or until the end of the Tribulation. Our Lord has not left heaven since He departed there nearly two thousand years ago and will not until He comes in the clouds when every eye shall see Him (Rev. 1:7). If there were no other verse in the Bible to disprove a pretribulational coming of Christ, this verse would be sufficient.
Part I Introduction to: *Distinctions Between Pre-TOJT “Mystery” Coming | Rightly* *Divided From |* The Second “Prophesied” Coming: *LORD JESUS, we beseech Thee For Thy Divine Understanding In This* *Thy Most Important Doctrine For our Comfort And Consolation.* Amen. (1 Thessalonians 4 : 18!) Time Of JACOB’s Trouble (TOJT), Ending With The Second Coming, is found in: God's Prophetic Program, Under LAW, gospel of the kingdom (“ages” past/future) (Genesis-John; Hebrews-Revelation) God’s “Earthly Kingdom” Purpose _FROM_ “the foundation of the world” (Matthew 25 : 34) prophesied “since the world began” (Luke 1 : 68-70; Acts 3 : 21!) *Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2 : 15!) From:* *Pre-TOJT Departure/Resurrection, Ending God’s Age Of GRACE, Is Found In:* *God's Revelation Of The Mystery, Under The Gospel Of The GRACE Of God!* *{Current = “But NOW!” } (Romans through Philemon!)* *God’s “Heavenly Hidden” Purpose **_BEFORE_** “the foundation of the world”* *(Ephesians 1 : 4!)* *Kept Secret “since the world began”* *(Romans 16 : 25; Ephesians 1 : 4-11, 3 : 5-9!)* continued in *Part II.. God Bless!*
Guys do a study of the day of the Lord, study what it is and when it is in prophecy, once you understand it, you will know a pre tribulation rapture is completely false.
The second coming and the rapture are 2 different events....We meet Jesus in the air during the rapture but in Revelation 19 is when Jesus comes back to this earth and his armies/church come back with him.
If you believe its false, they WHY are you watching videos on pre-trib? Stop trolling. God does not want us all to argue over stupid things, and whether you think its now or later, doesn't matter in the scheme of things. Go bring others into the Kingdom instead of arguing with your brothers in Christ! Use wisdom, and get people saved!!!
@Brandon Segler But don't forget, Brandon, Jesus said the Rapture would come at a time we thought not. If it comes just after the last day of the Great Trib, we will know exactly what day it is coming 7 years beforehand. To get around this, perhaps it comes sometime before that day. Sometime in the midst of the 70th Week of Daniel. Unfortunately, the Bible is not totally clear on the timing of the Rapture :(
Brandon Segler really now? Die for Jesus? Your comments are so typical of those who hate the pre-trib rapture. Your going to die for Jesus ? If there is one truism among the Christian community, it’s this: those who talk the boldest are usually the first to run whenever any real persecution comes .. be very careful when you say you will die for Jesus
i hope God takes the pretrib believers only leaving the rest who did not believe-they think they can stand to persecution-they wont because they've already believed false teaching
brandon, you are taking the Scriptures out of context: the verse starting with "immediately after the tribulation".. because of your agenda, you conveniently jump over "of those days" (Matt 24:29), which gives a totally different perspective to the meaning of the verse, because more tribulation is to come, as seen from what i'm about to describe. stay with me! what follows, "the sun will be darkened and the moon will not give it's light"...( also Joel 2:31), describes the events from Rev 6:12, marking the beginning of the great tribulation as in verse 17, "For the great day of their wrath has come and who can stand?, possibly the same day the rapture will take place, because we read in verse 17 "After this I looked, and there before me was a great multitude that no one could, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb". hello! who are these people? if you say the church, good answer!
that's right, i forgot about that! ha, ha! keep reading! the church is already in heaven @ Rev 7:9 and when Jesus returns He will bring the saints with Him (Zech 14:5, Col 3:4, Jude 14, Rev 19:14).
Brandon Segler no it doesn't! You're not convincing anyone just by repeating those words; the true believers know better because of the Holy Spirit guidance.
so true! yet, some people, reading the same verses, get a totally different picture (because of a "powerful delusion so that they will believe a lie", 2 Thess 2:11). seems like nothing will persuade them to believe that God will not put the bride of His son to go through His wrath. they (this group) call themselves christians, yet they are rather be waiting for the antichrist, (see 2 Thess 2:3) than for our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. is it possible that they have an issue with repenting because they are stuck in a situation where they keep coming back to their old same sins?
monkey mom do you have a Bible? Yankee gave scripture supporting pre-trib. There are many other teachers that do the same (Andy Woods comes to mind). Go get your Bible and study. “Study to shew thyself approved...” Blessings!
Yes I trust Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior...Amen.
John 16:33
King James Version
33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.
1 John 5:13 (KJV) These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
Yes I trust Jesus Christ as my Lord and Saviour
Amen
Your sealed forever God bless
Maranatha.
Wonderful teaching. I've been living under a cloud since my husband of 23 yrs divorced me wo warning, 4 yrs ago. During our marriage, he had been a church elder, a youth pastor, a co-pastor and a worship leader, which he still is today. The most gifted worship leader, I've ever seen. I never lost my belief in the Lord, but the whole thing did damage my security in Christ. Like if my husband could leave me and the Lord was silent for almost 4 years....did He leave me also. I know that goes against the Word. But as much of a mental mess as I've been, its been hard to trust my feelings. I raised my hand when you prayed. I plan to watch this again tomorrow...(later today, its 2:45 AM) take notes and remember the Lord. I know what my husband did was wrong. He's committed adultery with 3 women and his church worships his talent more than Christ, cuz he increases attendance numbers, so he brings his adulteresses to church! I don't wish him evil. I still love him. And I forgive him, but he ruined my life, he scattered a whole family and it derailed my strong belief. It didn't wreck it, but I did need the reminder. Thank you!!
Maybe God let your husband divorce you to SAVE your life, not to ruin it!
He is unsaved...God help him....you are better off, away from the lawless one
That is tough Sheri. A college student told Billy Graham that after he left home he wasnt faithful anymore and could Billy help him. Billy told hie he had mom and dads Jesus but didnt have his own Jesus. So find your Jesus the one of scripture and have a relationship with Him (Rev 3.20) and worship him not your spouse. Ill pray for you.
You can't trust a person these days. You have to trust the Word of God. Get an audio Bible and play it instead of radio or TV. It's easily the smartest thing I've ever done. Preachers and churches almost made an unbeliever of me. They preach anything that will fill the pews. Jesus is the literal Word of God. The more Word of God you get into you, the more Jesus you get into you. Don't believe anything you can't find in the New Testament and believe everything you find in it. The Apostle Paul was taken up to Jesus and got his orders straight from Our King Himself or he is a liar and the Bible is not true. The 7th chapter of Romans is one of the most important to me. Jesus told me that He would never leave me almost 50 years ago. As I look back I see two sets of footprints every step of the way. I have had 2 bad marriages. I never cheated but both wives did and I forgave them. It did no good. The enemy will do anything to destroy us. The pure Word of God and prayer is the only way. We are warned that MANY will not endure sound doctrine and will depart from the faith. Jesus said that many would be called but FEW would be chosen. Persecution is a sign of your salvation. If the enemy doesn't come against you then he doesn't hate you. Fill yourself with the pure Word of God and pray that you be found worthy to escape the things that are coming on the Earth.
Are you doing better now? Maybe this video can help you again
yes the lord Jesus Christ is my lord and King. my everything.
Wheather pre, mid, or post. The second coming of Christ is coming. We are saved believeing the gospel, and trusting Christ as savior. No matter what view anybody holds, does not excuse serving the lord( not for salvation, but out of love). Jesus christ is coming back, the question is, will we be found faithful, or ashamed.
The pre-trib doctrine is more evil than you realize. It is pure evil.
True
Imagine that when that day came and Christians are being hunted down and beheaded.
How prepared are pre-tribulationists?
They are not.
Depends. If they study enough they will read until Revelations 14
Rubens Weil AKA Pancake Master Can you tells me where the church is mentioned after Revaltion 4?
I shared this with some people who were questioning the pre trib rapture. Pastor Arnold is so good at explaining things simply, so as to help us fully understand.
It was very kind of you to share back to me this blessing. Thank you. Share this link with others. Yankee
What about John 6:40? "For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.” Seems clear to me that we are raised at Our Lord's Second Coming - no?
Just here to send you all blessings beloved saints. Prepare also for tribulation, because if this rapture that the majority of the church is waiting for, those that did believe this will have their faith shaken. Hold fast that faith that was once delivered unto the saints. Beloved, read your Bibles. Amen
Paul in 1 Corinthians 15:52 - In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the LAST TRUMP last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
We are changed at the LAST TRUMP and where is this found?
In REVELATION, the LAST BOOK of the Bible there are 7 trumps and the 7th trump is the LAST ONE and is at the END end of the tribulation. there is not a 7th last trump prior to the tribulation.
@@candyclews4047 Church Age Mystery was not revealed in the OT, nor in the NT until John 14 and beyond.
I will never understand how people can read something and then turn around and say the exact opposite thing with a straight face....
It is easy because they are very often jumping to conclusions and not studying the details
Art Carlson Amen God is not the author of confusion
Why are post-tribbers angry with the pre-tribbers? Does it even matter? You're not gonna lose your salvation if you choose one and not the other. Yous fight over the stupidest thing and make it seem like we're gonna lose our salvation if you believe in a pre-trib rapture. If I believe in a pre-trib rapture (due to overwhelming evidence) then so be it. But does that mean I'm gonna lose my salvation? NO. All these post-tribbers just like to get angry here and there, everywhere I see on the internet, all these pre-trib haters and accusers. SO???? DOES THAT DETERMINE MY SALVATION? NO. If the pre-trib rapture doesn't happen, then ok, gooddddddd, (which i doubt isn't going to), what are you going to gain from it? nothing, so stop hating and demanding to tell you where this and that is, study it yourself. People say "where in the Bible does it say there is gonna be a 7 year trib?", 2 Tim 2:15, God said to study the Bible, you don't just read it and then BOOM the answer is given, you study it and put the pieces together. Stop hating on other Christians and go spread the Lord's words because we shouldn't be so consumed in this debate but consumed in the Lord's work. "where in the Bible does it say this and that?" are you serious? go read it and study the Bible, stop asking others for verses in the Bible to prove this and that. You trying to disprove God's word by proving it with His own words? Yous make it seem that God is contradicting Himself.
J P
The pre-trib rapture is only for the bride. The ones living a righteous life in these days watching all these things come together.
Idk, i kinda don't believe in a partial rapture :/
J P There is no partial rapture. Only one rapture and it is pre-trib and for the bride. Luke 21 29-36, Matthew 24 32-51, Mark 13 28-36 and Matthew 25 1-13 are the pre-trib rapture. After that event, the only way to get a sinless spiritual body is through martyrdom. The only exception to that is for 144,000 chosen from the nation of Israel. They will be the only ones that get a sinless body while being translated to heaven alive.
oh jkkk i thought you meant something else. I believe in a pre-trib. All this hate against pre-trib is just validity for me hahaha. Yeah for the Bride Of Christ.
J P Believers living a godly life will be taken. However, there are some believers that at the time of the pre-trib rapture will not listen and they are called evil servants. These people know the Lord. Even though they see all things coming together, they will be beating their fellow servants and be hanging out with the drunks thinking their Lord is delaying His coming (Matthew 24 48-51). They will be left behind with another group called hypocrites. Hypocrites are people that never really knew the Lord (Matthew 25 1-13 and Matthew 7 21-23).
Now I do really understand what he's explaining! Wow! I trust Christ as my Saviour!
Thank you Jesus, I appreciate your gift so much!
I have already watched this video brother Aronld, I totally agree with this rapture teaching to the tee.
God bless, great message! ❤️🙏🙏🙏
Yes! I trust our Lord as my savior❤️
Thank you! I was explaining this chapter in relation to the rapture and had many arguments that Matthew 24 has no correlation to the rapture. I got in a rut thinking I cannot trust myself to understand God’s word accurately.
Amen! We, the true remnant church are NOT appointed to God's wrath!
Josephine kerezit
not to Gods but to satans aka the tribulation
@@mikha007 The trumpets are before satan comes.
@@mikha007 i know and agree but anyone on here who hasn't felt or experienced satan's wrath before now must not be living right. Some of us he's been using for target practice our whole lives.
@@shawnalLovesJesus prove it
@@mikha007 Read Revelations
I am neither pre-trib nor post-trib. I am pro ENTERING through the narrow gate that leads to life; pro OVERCOMING the flesh, the world, and the devil: pro ENDURING till the end.
I'm pro relying completely on the forgiveness and grace of Christ Jesus.
P.S. Post-Trib/Pre-Wrath is provably the correct view that unites and harmonizes all verses on the catching away or "rapture".
@@randyd9805 So you believe Murray except when it comes to the timing of the rapture? That's about the only thing he had right. It's not what makes more sense to you, it's about what God's word says. "That day shall not come until...the man of sin is revealed."
@@randyd9805 Yes, I believe the Post-trib/Pre-wrath is the correct view; but by no means do I believe differing views are unacceptable and or that perfect agreement on eschatology is required for salvation. Cheers! P[>
Dan Nisivoccia pre trib
I was looking at the says those days will be shortened for the elects sake and I looked more and it looks like the elect are the Jews. But the bible says there is neither jew or gentile bond or free all one in Christ. If it is the Jews only who will lead them to truth. I thought the same and wondered if they would make a false rapture to make people think they were left behind so they give up ... ? I am not sure trying to research. We are very close to it all falling apart. It says satan comes down with great wrath. So is it satans wrath because isnt Gods wrath the day of the Lord?
The spirit of divination is running wild in the church
What's that?
I remember when this video was new when I watched it and loved it. It’s still a classic, so I love to go back and refresh the excitement I had the first time. Times have certainly changed since then. Urgency and imminency sure has more meaning these days. Thank you and keep looking forward To His promise.
Amen finally the word being rightly divided. God Bless you.
@@artifacthunter1472 no it means cut straight
@@artifacthunter1472this is the same meaning, before you rey to a comment in tje web have your facts correct all else makes you look foolish and ignorant
@Karen Templin apparently you understood nothing from this video , delete youtube ...rightly dividing is the main difference between all you post trib believers....you think you're so much smarter than people than have understood it in the absolute correct context ....
Artifact Hunter Amen
Artifact Hunter why was the Bible not “rightly divided” into a pre trib rapture doctrine until Darby in 1830 🤔
honestly i dont really see why it could be during or after the tribulation like
why would the lord put us through so much pain then send us to heaven
that isnt so loving isnt it
Spot on. Even from a logical standpoint, it makes no sense. *MARANATHA!*
Time is near. My bags are packed.
I can't think of anything i'd want to take with me from this world, so what are you packing in your bags? lol
WindWipper he’s just making an expression chill
haha. we came into this world w/ nothin, we’ll leave w/ nothin. 🤓
Wonderful teaching brother Arnold!
My favorite part was the last few minutes.
Beautiful!
(Scripturally sound teaching on the pre-trib rapture!)
Very clear and excellent presentation of the difference between the two events. The comments in this string to the contrary just reflect ignorance of God's word.
Praise the Glory of God almighty in Jesus’ name !!!
Hallelujah!!!!
Thank you foe a very clear presentation Pastor Arnold. Much appreciated.
Yes I trust Christ as my Savior Father in Heaven Amen ❤
The Rapture is NOT the second coming! In the rapture we go up! In the second coming he comes down!
Well said!
He never said that ...
@@7Logik who never said what ?
We actually don't go up until he comes down then we come down with Him . But we do die or skip death which is the rapture. But then we sleep a little while which will seem like no time cause it's sleep. AND then we come down with Him during the parousia. But it is said 1/3 of people will be killed at the opening of the 4th seal (euphrates drying up etc) and the 2/3s will not repent. Therefore these are the people that do not believe, and suffer the great tribulation. But all believers "die" among the 1/3 of people that are killed. Revelations 12:21 I believe (?) .. the end times are now. Do not fear. But brace yourself and trust in the Lord with all of your heart and lean NOT on your own understandings. But acknowledge Him in all of your ways and your path will be made straight." God bless you soldiers 🙏🏼🙌🏼
@@hutrillz.official do you actually hear what you just said 🤔 we don't go up until he comes down! Then we come down with him??? How are we going to come down with him if he's already down??? 😆 🤣 😂 . We meet him in the clouds ⛅. This is the rapture. In the second coming we come down with him.
Of course it is. It's not even a topic of debate if it weren't for all the false Christians in modern times trying to refute this 2,000 year old doctrine.
Jesus will protect his bride from the filthy time of the devil. Trust the Good Shepherd, he gave His life for his little flock, no savage wolves are going to harm us... Come back soon Lord Jesus so we can be with you forever.
If that is the case why do people die by the hands of evil? Wouldn’t that go against your character that you describe Jesus as? We will have to go through the great tribulations but the beautiful thing about salvation and a relationship with Jesus is eternal life. This life is temporal and with that mindset tribulations are nothing compared to the Glory of God. We often worry about our problems that we forget the Kingdom is infinite and will be far greater than any hardship or blessing we receive on this earth in our carnal flesh. Whether it’s post or pre just be spiritually ready and make sure our garments are spotless by the blood of the lamb. Love you and God bless
The end is not near the end is now! Everyone come to Jesus join his family! Because Jesus is coming very soon
the end is on the last day after the tribulation, indeed all need to come to Jesus soon because soon the tribulation will begin and there are so many who are luke warn that will fall away from faith and many who still have not come to Christ.
Russ, you can block and mute her. Go to plus.google.com and type in her userID. Make sure the avatar there matches hers. When you find her, select block this profile. Then select mute profile. When you come back to TH-cam, her posts and replies will no longer appear.
It works on her, Plowshares, and a few others.
Amen , thank you Dr Yankee , God bless you !
There is a video called
“The Jesuit origin of
The rapture .
Great word!! God bless you!
Yes I trust Lord as my savior my whole life
I trust Jesus chirst and his death burial and Resurrection and by his blood iam made clean prase the Lord Jesus iam not ashamed of my father 1stcorinthians 151-4 the gospel of salvation kjv Bible trust in Christ death burial and Resurrection to be saved 1st Corinthians 15 1 through 4 the gospel of salvation by faith just his death burial and Resurrection for your salvation just that his blood is covered all your sins past present future Jesus loves you
Amen!
67/68AD 1st Jewish Jubilee, 2 years before the Romans sacked Jerusalem and destroyed the Second Temple.
2017/2018AD 40th Jewish Jubilee, Israel getting ready to rebuild Third Temple.
40 Jubilees reflects that of the Jews spending 40 years in the wilderness in Moses days for complaining to Moses and God.
The last days started when Jesus was alive as HE clearly said!!
so you mean they already happend?
@@charlih6402 it's a dual prophecy as most prophecies are in the bible.
The end time started when Jesus left.
The book of Mathew does actually mention the rapture and the second coming
“Watch therefore, for you know neither the day nor the hour.”
Matthew 25:13 ESV
“"Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.”
Matthew 24:29-31 ESV
Matthew 24 was a prophecy for the Jews only and how they would have to endure the Tribulation.
@@Excalibur2112 That's not true. Matthew 24 is for us ALL
harbinger1861 - written to/for/about Israel.
IT - the 12 knew nothing about the body of Christ or the rapture of the body of Christ. Jesus commanded the apostles to go not into the way of the gentiles. the middle wall of partition didn’t get removed until
(Eph 2:14)
@@jimoaks9270 that's not true it's for us ALL.
MARK 13: 37
37 And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.
The Bema Seat Judgment or Judgment Seat of Christ is the next prophetic event that happens when all of the true believers in Christ past and present, are transported and translated into the Kingdom of God and Heaven, and each one of us will stand in the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ and all of our thoughts, emotions, words, and actions will be brought forth and everything that was not for the advancement of the Kingdom of Christ Jesus and everything that was not for His Glory, and everything that was not pure and true, will be burnt like wood, hay, and stubble, and whatever is left, all of those thoughts, emotions, words, and actions, that glorified our Lord God, King and Savior; Jesus Christ, will be tried in the fire and all impurities will be removed, and what is left will be like gold, silver, and precious stones.
This will be the removing of sins from our eternal spiritual bodies, so that we may be able to finally stand in the presence of our Heavenly Father through our relationship restoration through Jesus Christ.
This will be followed by the Marriage of the Lamb, when the Church; the Bride and body of Christ, will be united with Jesus; the Bridegroom and Head of the Eternal Heavenly Body of Christ, as was the original plan of our Heavenly Father and Lord God Jesus Christ.
Peace and Maranatha.
..it is the blood of Christ alone, that removes our sins from our eternal man.
the body of Christ is not the bride. there are several scriptures in OT describing His wife, divorce, etc but this one covers it. Isa 62:4
2 Thessalonians 2:3, is confirmation of the pre-trib rapture:
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a [departure] falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2 Thessalonians 2:3
The first seven English translations of apostasia all rendered the noun as either “departure” or “departing.” They are as follows: Wycliffe Bible (1384); Tyndale Bible (1526); Coverdale Bible (1535); Cranmer Bible (1539); Breeches Bible (1576); Beza Bible (1583); Geneva Bible (1608). This supports the notion that the word truly means “departure.” In fact, Jerome’s Latin translation known as the Vulgate from around the time of A.D. 400 renders apostasia with the “word discessio, meaning ‘departure.’”
I feel bad for all of these people with ugly spirits attacking the pre-trib position. All you have to do is pray for discernment, and the Lord will give it to you, if you are actually saved of course.
So satan is here telling lies that will cost people their souls and you think we should be nice to them?
Well, at least Satan has your back Cheryl. Many people here go by the word of God and the FALSE rapture simply is NOT in it. Perhaps you can get a copy and read it? Or have someone read it to you? ZERO scripture to support the FALSE rapture teaching. We WILL be here for the tribulation. I hope you make ready for it.
So why is an eschatological position a damnable offense?
Dezman, so being rude is ok in God's eyes?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
So then I can laugh at you and it's ok? Great!
Cheryl S Amen Cheryl.. don’t mind the noise .. people have been attacking the Pre tribe rapture forever. You know what is really behind their hatred and animosity of this biblical truth ? It’s pride and fear, nothing more . They feel they have to do good works to make it into heaven. Basically they think they are going to make it on their own. Jesus keeping us from the wrath to come hurts their pride because they think they have to gain god’s favor on their own merits. Just pray for them. Keep looking up sister.
Almost without exception, where one puts the Rapture, determines to what degree they understand the Gospel.
If one places the Rapture at the end of the Tribulation, they can't say with 100 percent certainty that they believe in Eternal Security, because they would think they have to "endure to the end to be saved", when that statement wasn't about salvation at all, but about surviving the Tribulation hour.
I have always believed a PRE-TRIB Rapture, and I will until God calls me home or up to meet Jesus in the clouds.
Yes we avoid God's wrath, that is very clear in scriptures. The Jews and Arabs in Israel have to endure until the end of the Tribulation to be saved. They'll have to resist the Mark of the Beast that allows to buy/sell (cashless payments).
That's a flat out LIE and I'm sick of seeing it. I love all of my brothers and sisters who understand that salvation of free and by grace through faith alone without any works. But y'all are LYING if you say that I think it is by works for post-trib. We endure to the end because we are His, not because we try. We aren't going to deny Him because of His grace. It's not possible. We KNOW that it's not by our works which is why we are so in love with Him. Enduring isn't a work anymore than faith is. They're both gifts. There is no boasting in any of it. In the same way that we reject Calvinism because of their idea that your WORKS prove your salvation, because they don't understand which works are spoken of, in that same sense, y'all who are pre-trib are thinking that ONLY because you fear you'll have to work to endure. But you won't. You're sealed by the Holy Spirit, you have faith because of God you'll endure because of God also. Y'all are unbiblical regarding the end because you refuse the CLEAR Scripture because you know you're saved by grace, so you're afraid of anything that LOOKS like work. But you're misunderstanding it. And one day, I hope the beautiful community of people like YOU who GET GRACE will finally wisen up and realize that you should be willing to go through tribulation and trust God to endure you. You don't have to trust in yourself, so don't worry about that. But we go through tribulation, Paul says EXPLICITLY that that day will not come UNTIL THE MAN OF SIN IS REVEALED because people were being afraid by rumor that they had missed the gathering. THAT IS WHAT THE COMFORT WAS, that they hadn't missed it, that it WILL BE glorious, and not to worry if we struggle until then. So let me tell you, you believe by grace through faith, so you WILL endure. You won't HAVE to. So don't worry.
Going through the way of cross is Christianity. A blessed hope.
Thank you, Pastor Arnold.
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Matt 24:29-31 (KJV)
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
1 Cor 2:14-15 (KJV)
Wow Tom, no wonder you insist that Jesus is not God... With a mouth like that, you'll definitely need to find another way into heaven.
God bless you brother. God has opened your eyes!
+Tom Bladecki who you talking to satan?
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elect jews
The scriptures are pretty clear, the church will Not be here during the Tribulation period,but things could still get real ugly before the tribulation begins
Amen!! This is the Word rightly divided!!!
@PlowsharesintoSwords Sorry that a lot more people don't agree with your false, what you've called pre-wrath rapture.
@PlowsharesintoSwords Not being here to go through the great tribulation is exactly how us pre-tribbers won't be appointed to wrath. It's like keeping a little kid out of a haunted house tour so they won't have to experience what's within it.
@PlowsharesintoSwords Pre-wrath is your opinion. Pre-trib is my fact.
He appears on the surface, or if you wanna put it, clouds, once (at the rapture), and fully descends down onto earth after the 7-year great tribulation (at the second coming) with the people who were raptured before it started. You can learn this all at a Church, just wait 'til rapture sessions come around, and you'll hear pre-trib being taught by the pastor, and I've already been there.
@PlowsharesintoSwords Well, I'm about at the end of this conversation, so I'll set my differences aside with you for now and split. See ya!
Yes, Pastor I trust Christ as my Savior
You are a blessing my brother!
So exciting... I do think there was a really big hint of the rapture in the OT. Isaiah 26:19-21 is incredible!
Cheryl McNeely - it’s speaking about OT jewish believers who will resurrect at the end of the tribulation to set up their earthly kingdom w/ Jesus.
Isaiah 26:19-21 references the resurrection found in 1 Cor 15:50-53. However, that “rapture” as you call it is on the last day. It is after the tribulation. This is why the passage gives you the clue “Last Trumpet”. That means there will be no other trumpet afterward. That’s what “last” means after all. Look in Matt 24’ to see the trumpet AND the elect believers being caught up. The preceding verse says “immediately AFTER the tribulation of those days...”. Add in that Christ says FOUR times in John 6 that He will raise us up AT THE LAST DAY!
Maybe last means least!
Also, you’ll notice that Isaiah says to lock your doors and hide a little while
@@jimoaks9270 it’s believers period. Not OT Jewish believers. We the church are His Elect. Read Romans slowly and carefully from start to finish. The elect are comprised of believers from the nations + the tiny remnant of Jews who accept and believe in Jesus Christ. He is not a Jew who is one outwardly. We who believe are Abraham’s children. God has made Abraham to be a father of many nations because all who believe are of the faith of Abraham. He is a Jew who is one inwardly and circumcision is of the heart by the Spirit and not according to an outward code or physical lineage.
That is Paul’s entire point in Romans 9 and 10. This discourse begins in chapter 2
2 Thessalonians 2:3 The Antichrist is revealed BEFORE the rapture
Thank you.
I thought so..... God bless you
Super you are taking a verse out of context. The Day of the Lord is a construct used to mean day of wrath, destruction, woe. The rapture has no indications of destruction, wrath or woe it is a joyful time which happens before Antichrist is revealed. Antichrist is during the tribulation. The presence of the Church blocks the revealing of the Antichrist. Rapture is not connected to the Day of the Lord. These are two distinct events.
@@artcarlson3581 he's actually not the day of the lord is when Jesus comes back. Which is after the tribulation period.
Art Carlson This is how the BIBLE says things happen: NUCLEAR WAR with the Dragon and the Bear, Babylon The Great Falls to The Beast which is The Dragon and the Bear.
THEN, after nuclear war THE MARK666 comes out
THEN persecution and martyrs AND the falling away
THEN the rapture
This is the correct BIBLICAL ANSWER and in the next few years WE WILL ALL FIND OUT!!
The final 7 years had already started BUT the BEAST reigns for 42 months so that begins when BABYLON THE GREAT FALLS IN ONE HOUR to The Beast
What a terrific explanation of Mathew 24 being
for Israel's future and not the church.
The pre-trib and post-trib arguments with regards to the rapture remind me of the story of the blind men and the elephant. Each claimed his version of the elephant was right based on his touch. But all of them didn’t realize they were all right as well as wrong. They are right for the part of the elephant they had touched but they were wrong when they insisted the elephant was just what they had described which were only parts of the elephant not the whole. So the rapture is the same. The pre and post tribbers are right as they can quote the verses for their beliefs but they are wrong to insist that the rapture is either pre or post. There are pre and post raptures for different groups of people. The Body of Christ gets caught up before the Tribulation while gentile and Jews who believe in Christ during the Tribulation must reject the mark of the beast and get beheaded or have to endure till the end of the Tribulation to be raptured after the Tribulation. The Bible verses don’t contradict each other. As there are verses for both, then of course there must be two different events for two different group of people.
@J T: Well said. . . and there is no one single verse that proves any of the views.
I've held every one of the views at one time or another
over my past 50 years of Bible studies.
There are differing degrees of enlightenment. "You don't know what you don't know".
. . It requires prayer, an open mind, and much study of old and new testament verses in context.
I understand the strong belief feelings within each group, because, "been there done that"
with each view myself, over time.
Isa 28: 9-10
“Whom will he teach knowledge?
And whom will he make to understand the message?
Those just weaned from milk?
Those just drawn from the breasts?
For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept,
Line upon line, line upon line, Here a little, there a little.”
To avoid arguments with brothers and sisters in Christ, it's best not to debate it
with self-proclaimed adamant know-it-alls. I was in that group years ago, myself.
Many are influenced by what they were taught in their denomination, and they just
cling to that teaching, throughout life, spouting out the same
several verses they know.
It's like reaching a verdict before examining all of the evidence. They don't realize they
may not have seen all of the evidence. It takes awhile to get it. Salvation does not
depend on one's rapture timing beliefs, so it may be best to "agree to disagree".
Maranatha! (whenever).
lr whit Exactly. We just amen the verses. Can’t depend on anyone’s interpretation. I feel one should not cling to one’s favourite teacher’s interpretation and condemn others who don’t agree. Just pray for the Lord’s guidance and leading. Amen
Who are the elects? Matt 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
Those whom God knows will be saved, both the Jews who will repent at the end of the tribulation and Gentiles who become believers during the tribulation. "Elect" simply means those God knows will become saved eventually, but are not necessarily saved yet.
Rapture=first resurrection = gathering = coming of the Lord
The martyred saints during the tribulation take part in the first resurrection Revelation 20:4. So how is there a pre trib rapture.
WRONGGGG Joe Monroe
@@denisecollins8598 exactlyyyyy
Those of us today saved under the Gospel of Grace are greatly blessed because our only instruction from God to obtain salvation is to believe on how Christ died, that He was buried, and that He rose to life.
However I feel we have a great responsibility to leave a message of salvation to those left behind after the Rapture. They need to know the Holy Spirt escorts the Bride to the Bridegroom, no longer on earth to indwell believers.
The method of salvation changes and if we don't know it we cannot leave a proper message. They should search for their instruction from God in the book of Matthew and the book of Hebrews and those following.
The Gospel of Grace found in the 13 books beginning with the word "Paul" will have no more application for them than the Mosaic Law does for us today.
Amen brother you speaking the truth with wisdom and knowledge 🙏✝️❤️
Someone used this verse, stating that the pre-trib rapture isn't biblical. How do I answer that?
John 11:24-26
According to this verse, Lazarus won't be rising up from the dead at the rapture?
I for one believe that the pretrib is scriptural. It makes sense if you read the scripture with a clear and uncluttered mind. There is no agenda behind it. I am awaiting the rapture and I am going home, leaving this world behind. So will everyone else who believes and loves Christ.
And where does the bible say we go to heavn? Where does it say we leave this world?
And where does it say you are going to leave earth Nathan? Please tell us a verse. Thank you.
Are you taking your prescription medication Russ?
Nathan Barnes I see the pre-trib rapture as Scriptural. Right now I too am desiring too go home. God bless.
@@dezman4634 There are numerous places, too many to mention. So read God's Word, study to show yourself approved, a workman!!!!!
At the end of tribulation, is that referring to 3 and half year mark ? THEN last 3 and half year of great tribulation, coming of Christ?
@John, The Tribulation lasts 7 yrs in total. First half - beginning of sorrows, second half - Great Tribulation. Jesus comes at the end of it to set up his Kingdom. The mid point of the tribulation is where the Anti Christ declares himself to be God and demands to be worshipped, the Jews will flee as they realise he is not their Messiah. Hope this helps
I like your clear explanation of the end times,and the correctness of the pre tribe rapture.
Ted Bates : You asked your questions 11 months ago. Your second question is very easy and to answer that one point blank and directly, there is no pre-tribulation rapture and every single person who believes in it is cursed and some of those have also additionally had their names deleted from the Book of Life. Now with regard to your first question asking about a detailed timeline of prophesy and all the events which have both come and still remain outlined, I would be glad to outline that for you in whatever detail you wish to your curiousity anything from a general outline to a play by play of events ib the world, news headlines, and dates and how everything interconnects and related scriptures which sadly so many people often miss or don't yet understand. --John 21:18-24
Pretrib is false. Prove me wrong
harbinger1861 - you made the statement, prove you’re correct!
@@jimoaks9270 Sure!
Matthew 24:29-31, and Mark 13:24 says "After the Tribulation" the celestial event happens and the rapture takes place.
The same celestial event happens in Revelation 6: 12:-13. It's also in Joel and Isaiah. I'll post them verses of needed
Rapture is in Revelation 7:9. Then the wrath happens. Revelation 6,7,and 8 line up with Matthew 24.
Before you say "Matthew 24 is only for the Jews read Mark 13 :37.
I know you got some rebuttal. And I can predict what you will say. But I know what scripture will prove your rebuttals wrong. So rebuttal away.
I have spent years learning the pre-tribulation rapture was wrong. I am searching this subject.
We have a couple of videos on this topic in our Prophecy playlist. Check it out here:
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- BBN Team
Luke 17 looks like the rapture to me. We don't "disappear" (verse 37). We leave our flesh behind. The second coming is when we get our glorified body (1 Cor 15). Maranatha!
i think it would be awesome to be standing in a cemetery when the rapture happens, and watch the graves (ground) crack open like an earthquake and then the caskets pushed up to the top and the covers fly open. Only trouble is, very few will get resurrected onto Life,so it would be very few.
But the worst place to be would be in the shower...
Or on the toilet. Lol
Hahahaha. Thats amusing. Thinking the very same thing when I was in the shower a few days ago. I'm sure it would be fine. Just grab a towel in the twinkling of a twinkling of an eye.
The cemetery would be pretty cool. Hi mum, bye mum. C u very soon. Hey God. You're scaring me. Didn't think it would take this lon--- . Ah, thank you.
Dang nice! 5 years ago and he's spot on. The times are now! God bless all of you soldiers of truth in the name of Jesus Christ! "Lean Not on your own Understandings but trust in Him with all of your heart! Acknowledge Him in *_ALL_* of your ways and your path will be made straight!"
Let's goooooo!!!! We go to sleep, we wake up and we are floating up and meeting Him and then coming back down to see Him cast out Satan and His minions and see everyone confess and bow to Him! 🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼❤
🎼I'm so excited. I just cant hide it. Every day I'm tested to just stay in my lane with my faith and stay blessed. Aaaamen!
Attention! Dont trust anyone! Read the Bible and pray! Dont leave your soul in the hands of sinner humans! Again, Do not trust anyone but the word of God. You are living in the days right before satan comes to claim he is " god"
Stay alert and be ready to chose and die for Christ!
Man up , Christ will be with you!
Let’s just be ready when Jesus come the time is that important now that said I want to believe the pre rapture
Gathering the elect is not us
@Watchman79 lol fr
That's right. If you research and study the Biblical concept of Election, you will find it is NOT election for salvation like the calvinists think but rather chosen for a purpose. "The Elect" is Israel. The gathering is NOT the rapture or the Harpazo, a snatching away; it is a different word, epysunagogue. Therefore that difference, the fact it involves more than one angel, and they are calling from the 4 corners of the world shows this a different event than John 14:1-3, I Cor 15:51, 52, and 1 Thess 4: 13-17.
John 16:33
King James Version
33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.
No peace until Jesus comes back.
Revelation 6:11 (KJV)
[11] And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
Sorry for you , but it’s Pretribulation for me 😊 too much proof to believe otherwise .
Same.😊
Amen it's all over the gospel
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YOU SAY THERE WILL TWO RESURRECTIONS OF THE DEAD ???? LISTEN TO YOUR WORDS
Show me one verse that has the church raptured before the great tribulation erupts
worldwide in Matthew 24:15????
That's not written to us (the church), but to the Jews. Read the context, please.
Then start reading the books of Paul, who, by the way, wrote about 2/3 of the New Testament.
@@fleurlewis but what about John 14: 1-3? Jesus said, "I go to prepare a place for you, and if I go to prepare a place for you I will come again and receive you unto myself that where I am there ye may be also."
When Paul tells about the Rapture, he says that the Lord himself shall descend and we'll be gathered together.
@@fleurlewis Better study a little more, not all the apostles were Jews!
Matthew 24 and Mark 13 and Luke 21 are parallel passages, look at the last verse of Mark; 37 And what I say unto you I say unto ''''all''''', Watch.
It seems to me that whenever someone is messed up on the tribulation it’s because they think the physical nation of Israel are Gods chosen people. Have you never read Romans 2:29 “But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.” Or 2 Timothy 3:12 “Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.” Or read on the fifth seal? Revelation 20:4 “And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.”
Question to pre tribbers:
Matt 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Rev 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; 6:13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
Do you agree these are one and the same event?
If yes, and you think Matt24 is the 2nd coming and not the rapture, are you saying we are here when the 7 trumpets blow and 7 bowls are poured? Because this event is at the 6th seal..before the trumpets and bowls. Are you saying we are here for God's wrath..and Jesus himself is reigning with us in Jerusalem yet we are experiencing the 7 trumpet and 7 bowl wrath?
Because those 2 scriptures are just before Jesus sends his Angel's to gather his elect(which I say is the rapture but you say is the 2nd coming where he gathers the jews and we fight armageddon and we reign a 1000yrs ) while the 7 trumpet and bowl wrath is poured upon us.
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I disagree about people teaching that the "great tribulation will follow the rapture"! Please read what the Word of God teaches about it. Please read Revelations 7 : 9 - 17. Who are this people here the bible is talking about? Please read about the 7 year great tribulation and that we as the blood washed children of God will endure 42 months, Revelations 13 : 5 - 10 and Revelation 12 : 6 - 17. Study the Word of God so to be informed what lies ahead for us, and how God are protecting us before the coming of Jesus on the clouds, 1Korinthians 15..!
Thank you for making it so I can understand it. I've been saved for 30 years and could only get bits and pieces of the last days and the Revelation. Because so many people make it so confusing.
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I love how he just asserts pretrib without bothering to prove it with scripture. I was really hoping this was going to be profitable.
He absolutely did .....are you deaf, blind or igorant? Wow the problem with you in disbelief is that your reading like a child in pre K . The word of God in many passages is about context . You dont not understand who's talking to who , why and when ...this is your problem ...you think you know because you blindly read a verse or two....this is the most annoying piece about these "post trib scholars"
7 Logik actually, he did not prove. He merely asserted. He simply stated without proving that the "Elect" are physical Israel. He isolated the texts of 1 Thess 4 and 1 Cor 15 from their respective passages and missed key elements in each - namely that the shout of the archangel and trumpet (which are present in each) help identify the timeline. That is, these occur at the LAST trumpet. How many trumpets come after the LAST? None, else it would not be the last, would it?
Now please go look once again and more carefully at Matt 24 and see there the same shout of the archangel and the same trumpet blast. Now please re-read Revelation and see exactly what the LAST trumpet and shout are.
You’ll find very clearly that the LAST trumpet is indeed the LAST one. Our Lord made no grammatical or linguistic mistakes here. You now have a huge problem before you because the matching event in Matt 24 which has the saints being caught up in the air to meet the Lord does so accompanied by a shout and a trumpet. Is there another trumpet after The "last" trumpet?? If so, the one in 1 Cor 15 is then in no way to be called the “last”. Matt 24 event is the same as the 1 Cor 15 event, is the same as the 1 Thess 4 event, is the same as the Matt 13 parable of wheat and tares event. This is biblical continuity.
According to the text (and not speculation), this takes place “immediately after the tribulation of those days”. In the parable of the wheat and tares you will clearly find that at the time of harvest the WICKED are
gathered FIRST! The same as Matt 24 and Luke 17 where one is taken and one is left.
Which is taken?? It is the wicked and not the righteous. You see, the text is clear in Luke 17 that the ones taken are taken to “destruction”. The disciples even asked "Where Lord?" That is, "where are they taken?". To which he answers that where the vultures (eagles/carrion birds) gather, there the corpse will be.
This is quite possibly a reference to Ezek 39:17 "17 “As for you, son of man, thus says the Lord God, ‘Speak to every [j]kind of bird and to every beast of the field, “Assemble and come, gather from every side to My sacrifice which I am going to sacrifice for you, as a great sacrifice on the mountains of Israel, that you may eat flesh and drink blood. 18 You will eat the flesh of mighty men and drink the blood of the princes of the earth, as rams, lambs, goats and bulls, all of them fatlings of Bashan. 19 So you will eat fat until you are glutted, and drink blood until you are drunk, from My sacrifice which I have sacrificed for you. 20 You will be glutted at My table with horses and charioteers, with mighty men and all the men of war,” declares the Lord God."
This may seem unbelievable to you but I caution you to look more carefully at the texts of 1 Thess 4 and 1 Cor 15 and put on your Sherlock Holmes hat. Use the clues of the trumpets and the shout. They are included for your learning and meant to lead you to the truth.
Scripture harmonizes. There are not two comings of the Lord. There is one Day of The Lord when He will return with His saints, many of whom will be put to death in the Great Tribulation. He will raise the bodies of those who have died and are present with Him and then He will change those who remain and live through the tribulation. We shall then be caught up to meet Him in the clouds as He descends so that when He touches His feet we will be with Him in our glorified bodies.
This is the same as when Rome conquered a city. They would stand outside the city gates and blow the trumpet of conquest. Then, all of the Roman citizens who were in the city being conquered would go outside the city gates and join with the Roman soldiers in triumphant entry into the city together.
Just the same, when Jesus comes at the end of the Great Tribulation, on the Last Day, the Day of The Lord, He will come with our brothers and sisters who have fallen asleep. These shall receive their new bodies and then we who are alive and remain until the end (for we shall not all sleep or die) shall be changed and caught up. We shall be with Him as He judges the nations. They will first be gathered and bound in order to be burned.
This is the clear meaning of the parable of the wheat and tares explained. The Harvest is at the "Consummation" and this word always references His Second Coming.
7 Logik I love how you just assert pretrib without bothering to prove it with scripture. I was really hoping this was going to be profitable.
This was 2017, isreal 2020 treaty has been made.yall best listen.
@@josephinemorgan6582 Tell us more about how this treaty with Israel plays into it all. Maybe I should ask - "yall needa be splainin' yoself asta how am weall needa lookat ISREAL"
Think how crazy it would be if it happened during a Nascar race, NFL, MLB, NBA, NHL MLS game or the Olympics.
Thank you for this message.
Amén Brethren the rapture it's coming
lOVED THIS PRESENTATION...THANK YOU SO MUCH
The rapture issue is really a simple matter that many people have greatly complicated over the years. How can it be simple? There are only 2 main scriptures you need to know. These are 1. Mt. 13:24-30 Jesus told them another parable: “The kingdom of heaven is
like a man who sowed good seed in his field. But while everyone was sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat, and went away. When the wheat sprouted and formed ears, then the weeds also appeared. “The owner’s servants came to him and said, `Sir, didn’t you sow good seed in your field? Where then did the weeds come from?’ “`An enemy did this,’ he replied. “The servants asked him, `Do you want us to go and pull them up?’ “`No,’ he answered, `because while you are pulling the weeds, you may root up the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn.’“
The 1st clue is "Let both grow together until the harvest." When you know when that time is you will have the answer. Does the Bible tell us when the harvest will be? Yes. Where in scripture is it?
2. The book of Revelation chapter 14; Re. 14:14-20 I looked, and there before me was a white cloud, and seated
on the cloud was one “like a son of man” with a crown of gold on his head and a sharp sickle in his hand. Then another angel came out of the temple and called in a loud voice to him who was sitting on the cloud, “Take your sickle and reap, because the time to reap has come, for the harvest of the earth is ripe.” So he who was seated on the cloud swung his sickle over the earth, and the earth was harvested. Another angel came out of the temple in heaven, and he too had a sharp sickle. Still another angel, who had charge of the fire, came from the altar and called in a loud voice to him who had the sharp sickle, “Take your sharp sickle and gather the clusters of grapes from the earth’s vine, because its grapes are ripe.” The angel swung his sickle on the earth, gathered its grapes and threw them into the great winepress of God’s wrath. They were trampled in the winepress outside the city, and blood flowed out of the press, rising as high as the horses’ bridles for a distance of 1,600 stadia. [That is, about 180 miles (about 300 kilometres)]
The scripture in Matthew is a parable which is a story Jesus told to make a point. Every parable has truth in it even though some of the scenarios may not actually have happened.
Mt. 13:10-17 The disciples came to him and asked, “Why do you speak to the people in parables?” He replied, “The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. Whoever has will be given more, and he will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken from him. This is why I speak to them in parables: “Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand. In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah: “`You will be ever hearing but never understanding; you will be ever seeing but never perceiving. For this people’s heart has become calloused; they hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts and turn, and I would heal them.’ [Isaiah 6:9,10] But blessed are your eyes because they see, and your ears because they hear. For I tell you the truth, many prophets and righteous men longed to see what you see but did not see it, and to hear what you hear but did not hear it".
What about all the other scriptures about the rapture? Some are legitimate and some have nothing to do with it. This agrees with all the legitimate NT scriptures. I'll reference some here if you want to do further study: Mt. 24:30-31, I Th. 5:1-11, II Th. 2:1-12, I Co. 15:51-58.
When does the bible says that we christians will not going to tribulation? There is 25 verses in the bible about the word tribulation and 24 of them is about us going through tribulation. And please give verses in the bible that says Jesus is talking about the jews and not us christians? Mark 13:37 And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.
Matt 24:20 proves that that message is for Jews who don't travel on Saturday. On the other hand, Revelation 2-3 was written specifically to Gentile Christian Churches, to whom Jesus promises will be kept from the TIME of Tribulation in Rev 3:10
Give me one clear verse in the bible that christian will be rapture before tribulation, revelation is all about the believers not the jews, the word jews only mention 2x in revelation, ( the synagogue of satan ) rev. 2:9/3:9
You demand a "one clear verse" proving that Christians don't go through the Tribulation. Why don't you produce "One Clear Verse" proving that Christians DO go through it? Why must it be contained in "One Verse"? Do you think the original bible had verse numbers? Also, the 7 churches were modern-day Turkey - NOT Israel. They were clearly GENTILE CHRISTIAN Churches. That's not even debatable.
K Potter
Acts 14:22 Confirming the souls of the disciples, andexhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.
Romans 5:3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;
Romans 8:35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
Romans 12:12 Rejoicing in hope; patient in tribulation; continuing instant in prayer;
2 corinthians 1:3-4 Blessed be God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies, and the God of all comfort; 4 Who comforteth us in all our tribulation, that we may be able to comfort them which are in any trouble, by the comfort wherewith we ourselves are comforted of God.
2 corinthians 7:4 Great is my boldness of speech toward you, great is my glorying of you: I am filled with comfort, I am exceeding joyful in all our tribulation.
1 Thessalonians 3:4 For verily, when we were with you, we told you before that we should suffer tribulation; even as it came to pass, and ye know
2 Thessalonians 1: 4 So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure:
John 16:33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.
Try to stay focused. We are talking about THE 7-Year Reign of Antichrist. NOT generic Tribulation/Persecution of all Christians including those who've died. You scoffers always play games like that.
And here we are!!!
The Bible clearly teaches pre trib 👍🏻🕊
PlowsharesintoSwords That’s referring to his followers who died before Jesus died on the cross for our sins
PlowsharesintoSwords Yes. We are. Salvation for us in this age is Grace through Faith in our Lord Jesus Christ. Since the nation of Israel rejected their messiah, God blinded Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles. Romans 11:25
PlowsharesintoSwords We’re saves by grace through faith under Paul’s ministry. But Jews can be saved but Israel as a nation is blinded. If we were to go through the tribulation then we we wouldn’t be saved to begin with
PlowsharesintoSwords No. There’s a difference between the Lambs Book of life(from Pentecost) and the Book of life (before Jesus)
PlowsharesintoSwords I’m not denying it. I’m showing you the difference from when Luke was written to Paul’s ministry. Luke was written before the cross. There was major shift from before and after the cross
I there is a pre-trib rapture, if will occur whether you believe it or not. If rapture is mid-trib then likewise. If post trib, then you will probably die and go to heaven during the tribulation. If there is NO rapture, or no tribulation, then that is pre-determined by the Father and what you believe affects nothing except your own state of mind.
Whatever position you take on rapture or tribulation, it will not affect the Father's plans, so just enjoy your Christian life and love your brothers and sisters. Sooner or later we will find out.
Amen! THIS.
Pretrib rapture is correct. I’m scared of the bema seat tho.
God is merciful.
If you believe in the pretrib rapture, there is still time to come out of that false doctrine. It will be one less thing to be afraid of at the bema seat...
No one needs to fear the Bema judgement. We are saved. Its for rewards, not to have anything taken from us.
* Some have raised the objection that 1 Thess. 4:16-17 does not explicitly state that Christ will return immediately to the earth, but then neither does it explicitly state, or even infer, that when he meets His church in the air (the Rapture) he will reverse His direction upward and return with them to heaven (for the Marriage Supper of the Lamb or whatever reason). Indeed, the Greek for the word “descend” (katabaino) in 1 Thess. 4:16 invariably means total descent to the earth here and in other texts in the New Testament. It is the same word in the Greek that is used to describe the descent of the Holy Spirit at Christ’s baptism (John 1:32). Further, why Should it be assumed that this happy, loving fellowship associated with the marriage feast of Christ can only take place in heaven. Do we not find in Scripture (Rev. ch. 21 and 22) that it not in heaven but on the earth that resurrected and glorified bodies of believers belong and therefore where the marriage feast of Christ will be. Question: Does Scripture confirm that the times of restitution of all things or the time for God to restore everything to Himself is at the end of the church age or the end of the Tribulation?
Compare Rev. 10:5-7 and Rev. 11:15 below:
”And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven, And sware…that there should be time no longer: But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he had declared to his servants the prophets” (Rev. 10:5-7). (KJV).
”And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever” (Rev. 11:15).
Underline or highlight: “The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ.”
* Connected with the blowing of the seventh trumpet is the return of Christ and the end of the church age. This is confirmed by reading verses 6 and 7 in the context of Revelation , chapter 10 above: “…And sware that that there should be time no longer…But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished..,” and the announcement of the voices in heaven when the trumpet of the seventh angel sounded in Revelation 11:15: “The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.”
* Think, beloved friends, this is at the end of the Tribulation or the end of the church age. It is only at the end of the church age or end of the tribulation when God has finished pouring out His judgments on this rebellious world that it can be said “that time should be no longer” and “the mystery of God" Should be finished” (Rev. 10:6 cf. Rev. 10:7). It is only at the end of the Tribulation or end of the age when Christ shall subdue all opposition to His rule and will make the kingdoms of this world His to reign over for ever and ever (compare Acts 2:34-35 previously discussed). If Christ were to come for the church seven years or three and one-half years before the end of the age or end of the Tribulation, then He would come before the restitution of all things or before the time for God to restore everything to Himself, including the kingdoms of this world. This, as Acts 2:34-35; 3:20-21 and other passages make perfectly clear, just cannot be and will not be.
Christ simply cannot leave heaven before the end of the age (verse 21). So there will not be a coming of Christ before or during the Tribulation .If there were such a coming of Christ , then it would be necessary that He leave heaven before the restitution of all things or before the time for Him to restore all things to Himself.
No, Christ is not coming in the air in a secret, silent way to suddenly remove His church before the Tribulation begins. He is not even coming to remove His church after the Tribulation begins, until the end of the church age or until the end of the Tribulation. Our Lord has not left heaven since He departed there nearly two thousand years ago and will not until He comes in the clouds when every eye shall see Him (Rev. 1:7). If there were no other verse in the Bible to disprove a pretribulational coming of Christ, this verse would be sufficient.
One of the best sermons on pre-trb I've ever heard..Thank you!
Part I Introduction to:
*Distinctions Between Pre-TOJT “Mystery” Coming | Rightly*
*Divided From |* The Second “Prophesied” Coming:
*LORD JESUS, we beseech Thee For Thy Divine Understanding In This*
*Thy Most Important Doctrine For our Comfort And Consolation.* Amen.
(1 Thessalonians 4 : 18!)
Time Of JACOB’s Trouble (TOJT), Ending With The Second Coming, is found in:
God's Prophetic Program, Under LAW, gospel of the kingdom (“ages” past/future)
(Genesis-John; Hebrews-Revelation)
God’s “Earthly Kingdom” Purpose _FROM_ “the foundation of the world”
(Matthew 25 : 34)
prophesied “since the world began” (Luke 1 : 68-70; Acts 3 : 21!)
*Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2 : 15!) From:*
*Pre-TOJT Departure/Resurrection, Ending God’s Age Of GRACE, Is Found In:*
*God's Revelation Of The Mystery, Under The Gospel Of The GRACE Of God!*
*{Current = “But NOW!” } (Romans through Philemon!)*
*God’s “Heavenly Hidden” Purpose **_BEFORE_** “the foundation of the world”*
*(Ephesians 1 : 4!)*
*Kept Secret “since the world began”*
*(Romans 16 : 25; Ephesians 1 : 4-11, 3 : 5-9!)*
continued in *Part II.. God Bless!*
Guys do a study of the day of the Lord, study what it is and when it is in prophecy, once you understand it, you will know a pre tribulation rapture is completely false.
The second coming and the rapture are 2 different events....We meet Jesus in the air during the rapture but in Revelation 19 is when Jesus comes back to this earth and his armies/church come back with him.
If you believe its false, they WHY are you watching videos on pre-trib? Stop trolling. God does not want us all to argue over stupid things, and whether you think its now or later, doesn't matter in the scheme of things. Go bring others into the Kingdom instead of arguing with your brothers in Christ! Use wisdom, and get people saved!!!
@Brandon Segler But don't forget, Brandon, Jesus said the Rapture would come at a time we thought not. If it comes just after the last day of the Great Trib, we will know exactly what day it is coming 7 years beforehand. To get around this, perhaps it comes sometime before that day. Sometime in the midst of the 70th Week of Daniel.
Unfortunately, the Bible is not totally clear on the timing of the Rapture :(
@Brandon Segler There most certainly is a Rapture, the Scriptures make that clear.
What is not clear is when we will go up.
Brandon Segler really now? Die for Jesus? Your comments are so typical of those who hate the pre-trib rapture. Your going to die for Jesus ? If there is one truism among the Christian community, it’s this: those who talk the boldest are usually the first to run whenever any real persecution comes .. be very careful when you say you will die for Jesus
Thanks Dr. Arnold Great message.
Prepare your hearts for the tribulations. The rapture doesn’t happen before the tribulations
There is a fountain filled with blood, drawn from Emanuel's gains, and sinnerplunged beneath that flood, loose all their stains!
i hope God takes the pretrib believers only leaving the rest who did not believe-they think they can stand to persecution-they wont because they've already believed false teaching
brandon, you are taking the Scriptures out of context: the verse starting with "immediately after the tribulation".. because of your agenda, you conveniently jump over "of those days" (Matt 24:29), which gives a totally different perspective to the meaning of the verse, because more tribulation is to come, as seen from what i'm about to describe. stay with me! what follows, "the sun will be darkened and the moon will not give it's light"...( also Joel 2:31), describes the events from Rev 6:12, marking the beginning of the great tribulation as in verse 17, "For the great day of their wrath has come and who can stand?, possibly the same day the rapture will take place, because we read in verse 17 "After this I looked, and there before me was a great multitude that no one could, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb". hello! who are these people? if you say the church, good answer!
that's right, i forgot about that! ha, ha!
keep reading! the church is already in heaven @ Rev 7:9 and when Jesus returns He will bring the saints with Him (Zech 14:5, Col 3:4, Jude 14, Rev 19:14).
you are wasting your time (with false doctrines)!
Brandon Segler no it doesn't! You're not convincing anyone just by repeating those words; the true believers know better because of the Holy Spirit guidance.
everything you say is false; give it up already, please!
so true! yet, some people, reading the same verses, get a totally different picture (because of a "powerful delusion so that they will believe a lie", 2 Thess 2:11). seems like nothing will persuade them to believe that God will not put the bride of His son to go through His wrath. they (this group) call themselves christians, yet they are rather be waiting for the antichrist, (see 2 Thess 2:3) than for our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. is it possible that they have an issue with repenting because they are stuck in a situation where they keep coming back to their old same sins?
Pre-trib is true, but the first fulfillment of the 70th week imo was when Jesus died on the cross -- the veil of the temple was torn!
can you provide me scripture that supports the pre trib teaching? reproof yourself.
monkey mom do you have a Bible? Yankee gave scripture supporting pre-trib. There are many other teachers that do the same (Andy Woods comes to mind). Go get your Bible and study. “Study to shew thyself approved...” Blessings!