I have had these irons for over a year now and I have to say they are brilliant. I am a high handicapper after playing golf for 1.5 years now and they are improving me a lot. The noise.....who cares as long as my scores are falling which they are. I have no complaints from any of the people play with.
I agree with your comment. I have the power specs and the G700's are amazingly long and forgiving. I first hit them at the PGA Show where a tech fit me for the irons and the G400 Max driver. I am sold on Ping!
Got to hit them outdoors on the range today and with my 75-80mph swing with the 7 iron the sound was a pleasant muted "crack". It sounded better than my very old cavity back Callaway's. There's a definite soft feel of the face flexing when you hit them anywhere near the middle, even at my slow swing speed.
Hi Freddy, glad you enjoyed giving them a thorough testing. This is why it's so important to not just take the word of all the reviewers about a certain product but to physically go and give it a hit for yourself. Feel, sound and performance is such an individual thing and no two golfers are the same. Glad you enjoyed using them and thanks for the independent honest feedback on the iron, I'm sure your comment will help people when they are researching equipment to test. 👍
I appreciate your honest thoughts but you are not the type of player these irons are designed for. I wish there were some reviews from high handicap players on these and other SGI irons. That is the only true test of how good these irons are at what they are designed to do.
Nice review and I do agree with you that down by the ball these don’t inspire confidence. The larger, chunkier the head the more I feel like I’m going to hit it fat, which is exactly what I did. I really wanted to like these irons but I just could not get on with them. The large amount of offset seemed to accentuate my miss which is normally left. The topline is not offensive due to that hydropearl finish and besides the blade length it actually looks decent behind the ball. However in the bag they look like one of those child’s oversized beginner toy sets lol. I’m sure that there are many golfers who will enjoy good success with these and they are worth trying. Keep up the good work 🏌️
Hi Michael, I agree with basically everything you said there. Although some will enjoy the slightly larger profile and some will need the advantages of the design profile Ping opted for in making the G700, there will be equal amounts of people that do not enjoy the looks, feel and performance of the G700 for a multitude of reasons. The best and most encouraging thing is that people like yourself are going out there to test it and giving your feedback on platforms such as TH-cam comments that help arm individual golfers with differing opinions. Thanks for the comment and for watching 👍
I found the G700 to actually be a very solid feeling iron. A bit loud yes, but they didn't appear as big as I expected them to be after watching many reviewers comment about how big they are. I think the other irons in this category like the Big Bertha OS, Cobra F-Max and even the Ping GMax appear much, much bigger to the eye than these do. I think Ping have been pretty clever in discussing their size with the rounded and beveled edges and the satin finish. They are actually quite an attractive iron. They performed pretty well for me too. Spin was on the lower side, but not overly low and they didn't balloon way high in the sky as I thought they might, which was good. They are just so darn expensive though, even more than the Taylormade P790s at the moment here in Oz.
Hi Brad. Don't get me wrong they are as solid as anything out there. To describe its looks and feeling is so dependent on the own individuals passed experience with irons. If someone is used to using larger Game Improvement irons then this new iron won't look or probably feel too out of place. Coming from a more bladed forged background, then the extreme looks jump out. They have made a good looking iron and some say it looks quite similar to another iron on the market currently. Price point may be an interesting topic as these are among the top end of the scale. I wonder how sales will be at its half cycle. Thanks for the comment and for watching, your input is always appreciated 👍
Thanks for the reply. I've played irons ranging in size from Mizuno MP-68s to Ping Gs, so I agree the G700s are on the larger side. The G700s just look better to me than a lot of GI irons mostly because you can't see a lot of the back of the club until you get to the longer irons and the lines and finish seem to disguise some of the size until you put them side by side with a more traditional club and then they clearly look large. I do doubt that Ping will sell a lot of these irons at the current price point. The long irons might make for a decent hybrid driving iron though and for less than a Ping Crossover.
You're welcome Brad, I always try where possible to reply to every comment I get as it's you guys watching and interacting on the channel that allows me to continue making content. 👍 Oh don't get me started on the Crossover 😁
Thanks for an interesting review. I have trialled these clubs and didn’t have any issue with the noise. Maybe as an occasional hacker I just don’t notice it.
Going from a traditional Mizuno Soft forging the noise is quite a change. A change I normally see when I go from my longest iron to my hybrids 😁 Thanks for the comment and for watching 👍
Couldn't agree more Tom, these will surely suit a certain type of golfer. Ping has reserved themselves to understanding that these won't sell in the same quantities as the G400's but other manufacturers are pushing this design of head and Ping needs to be seen to be staying with the times....... whether I disagree with the practice or not 😀 Thanks for the comment and for watching.
Great stuff again J, I’d love to see all manufacturers work to a set degree for all irons across the board, then we could get a true picture of all their ridiculous claims on distances etc. I don’t see it ever happening though👍
Oh no I can nearly guarantee that would never happen. How can they prove to be longer than the competition without making their irons 1 degree stronger 😉😊 Thanks for the comment and for watching 👍
Hi, I haven't golfed in years but now that my kids are out of college I want to get back into it. My current set of clubs are probably around 15 years old so I'm in the market for a new set. I was never a good golfer so I was thinking I wanted a very forgiving set as I start back. So, as I started researching globs I've identified three sets that I think might fit the bill: Ping G700 TaylorMade M CGB Callaway Rogue Of those three sets of clubs, do you have any recommendations? Also, any other suggestions are welcome. Thanks in advance.
Hi there thanks for the comment. If I am completely honest I would hold off buying just as yet as Mizuno are due to release their upcoming new line up that will replace the JPX 900 series. I am confident that you wouldn't want to part with all that money only to have an offering come up straight after. At present I quite like the Mizuno JPX900 Hot Metals as a good forgiving iron and don't forget that there will be some good deals going soon because of the new lineup. If you have any specific needs then I will always suggest getting fitting by a good Custom Fitter that uses launch monitor technology such as GC2+HMT or GCQuad.... getting fit with this technology is key to understanding correct like and strike.
Ping G700 are NOT replacements for G-Max or beginners. They are game improvement with a push towards a players club. They are between the G400 and i200's. They will draw, fade, and go straight. Hit them outside and it is solid! Just traded Callaway Apex for these and I am getting 8-10 additional yards and much higher launch.
Hi HDTVMAN100 sorry for the late reply. But I did want to follow up on your comment about the G700 irons. After you post I sort again expert advice directly from Ping and the long and short of it is that they are replacing the GMax within their lineup with the G700. Now although the design is completely different to the GMax the forgiveness level and performance is well within the stipulated guidelines of that design. Again though, I prefer to see these in a different category than they are. We need another category called Distance as these kids are cranked and they even have a power spec...... Oh my word 😊 Thanks for the comment and for watching 👍
How would you compare its performance to the Callaway Rogue irons you hit? I currently game the Big Berths irons. I'm looking to upgrade to either the G700 or the Rogue. I would appreciate your opinion on this matter. Thanks!
Hi bgrritchiet, I'm currently working on a quick comparison between the G700 and the Rogue X. It should be the next video uploaded on my channel 👍 Thanks for the comment and for watching.
I just purchased the G700. I hit the Rogue irons for a week that my friend had. We had a demo day, and the G700 was by far longer, more forgiving, and much better looking at address and overall appearance. I had 714 AP1, and these are 15 yards farther, yes lofted stronger, but also way more forgiving and high trajectory that cuts through the wind. I hit my 7 iron 160, I know, that's not much, but that my game now a days. So, I hope this helps. I would suggest a fitting. I got green dot, project x lz 5.5 steel shaft.
They are very loud. The new G710 aren't as bad but then they have the Black finish which some may or may not like... Give them a test also before making a decision 👍 Thanks for the comment and for watching.
Can someone explain why Brits say "Ping are" instead of "Ping is"? Ping in that reference is a single entity unless the idea is they're referring to Ping as 'all the people at Ping', therefore that being multiple people.
Hi Bill, to be honest until you just highlighted this I haven't thought much about the reasons why we do. Is it right, I suppose yes in some references and no in others. I'd put it down to the differences how we all use the English language right and wrong. Hopefully after all is said and done that we get what we want from any particular discussion and come away knowing a bit more than when we did before. Thanks for the philosophical direction of the comment, it has certainly made me more aware of how I think of describing things. 👍
if you hade them in the right specs for u and u pot it up against uour own iron that goes the same distance how would the dispersion be? thats what i would want to know.
Hi Tomas, honestly I would have to say identical. As remember when it comes to dispersion in an iron (with the fact the it's a straight faced club so no assistance from roll and bulge in woods) that D Plane conquers all. Yes they can try and push CG to alter spin profiles to increase or reduce spin and vertical launch but from a dispersion point of view D Plane will always rule. What I do know is that I strike my own irons (smaller blade length) a little better with the concentration of strike being greater. I personally feel for me that because of the larger blade lengths I get a little lazy not paying as much attention to absolute middle than I should do. Physically make the iron harder to hit by reducing its size and I concentrate more and as a consequence my strike improves measurably. Thanks for the comment and for watching 👍
i agree regarding left and right and with what your are saying about strike in theory at least. but a players iron also easier to draw and fade wich should maby have a affect. anyway long and short is dispersion too, and you really seem to land them within a couple of yards wich is impressive!
Hi Jay! I had to ask!? Are they really for beginners? Really? 1stly they are expensive..So, are beginners going to reconstruct their bag re hybrids, and then buy a bunch of wedges? Perhaps we are going to buy 7, 8, 9, PW, plus 3 shorter clubs in the same set? Obviously, I'm just not getting what is going on here! 😊
Hi Neil, I choose to not mention the very upsetting and potential minefield topic around pricing. Yes they are probably along with the crazy Epic Irons among an elite group of crazy priced irons. I'll be keen to speak with my contacts at Ping to keep an eye on sales and projections for this Ping beast 💪👍 Thanks for the comment and for watching.
My favorite club in my bag for three years running is the Ping Rapture Driving Iron. These remind me of that, and so I want to fit into them. But I currently play Mizuno MP-18 blades. Strike is solid. High swing speed (92 mph 30° 6-/7-iron, per GCQuad). I can't see Ping doing a hollow head "better-player's-iron" to complement the Rapture DI. Can someone of my general profile get away with these without introducing too much variability beyond my path and face control? P.S., I'm scheduled for a Ping demo day, so I will be testing for myself. But trying to arm myself against the usual sales pitch.
Hi Kurt, thanks for your comment and apologies for the late reply. How did the fitting go? With what your saying above that you bring to the table I would definitely think that depending on strike performance that these would be an effective driving iron replacement. Not so much a question of needing them for a full set as your plan height may be a bit too high (again that depends on your own ability to be able to control and deliver different dynamic lofts). I'm keen to lie what the result of the fitting was and what approach the fitter took (him selling the club or the club fired properly selling itself). Thanks for the comment and for watching 👍
AskGolfNut Fitting Day is May 20th, so I'm learning what I can ahead of time. I'm satisfied with a high ball flight throughout my set (incl. 3-iron; I just don't get on with hybrid designs). And that's with DG X100 (AMT) shafts. My interest in the G700s is based on their similarity to the Rapture DI. Though some forgiveness on lesser strikes would be nice for a change. My most pressing thought is: If I determine optimal strike distance, spin, height, etc., and count on that instead of 'game improvement'-assisted results, do the clubs' GI characteristics become a threat to relying on those numbers (e.g., low-spin off-center --> flyer-like results given high(er) club speed)? I'm guessing the rep is going to fit me into I200s. Nice clubs, but not impressive enough to spend money on in my opinion. I'll report back once the results are in. I'll keep an eye on your channel in the meantime. Your MP-18 range content was helpful as I geared up for that release.
AskGolfNut Ping demo day was a success. I had hoped the G700s were the best fit for me, but numbers, flight, strike and Ping rep's observations all pointed to the G400s (didn't bother trying the i200s after all). 'Not Workable' GI irons myth was also quickly debunked. No sales pressure, thankfully. All in all, a good first demo-day experience. Ping once again live up to their reputation.
Hi Tim, with range balls the way the manufacturers construct range balls to stop them from going full distance for restricted ranges is to make them launch a little lower and spin more. On high lofted irons and wedges, distances aren't really effected much but on the long irons woods and drivers the added spin with decreased launch ensures the range balls stay inside the range and not over the fence 😊. From the initial range testing I can provide feedback on how the club in question looks, feels and sounds when struck. Then going to the premium ball data captured on GCQuad I can describe using a large dataset exactly how the club in question performs. Again it is always vitally important that the individual themselves go and test as my delivery will differ from golfer to golfer. Thanks for the comment and for watching 👍
Outstanding review by the way. I forgot to say that below. It seems to me the peak height comes from the fact that they make the face softer at the top so that the face essentially bends to a weaker effective loft when the face bows in. The question I have is, if I only have 75 mph club head speed, am I going to flex the face enough to get that higher launch or is it going to launch more in line with the static loft? If the latter then the ball probably isn't going to stop. If I do buy a set of these I may ask them to bend the loft 1 or 2 degree's weaker since I'm a slow swinger. The question then becomes what does bending them weaker do to the bounce when the soles are that big? Always tradeoffs, no perfect solutions. Maybe a good addition to your testing would be hitting with slower club head speed (e.g. 75mph) just to see what it does to the numbers.
If you reduce swing speed on any given club all it will mean is that the design of any iron makes it more or less usable as the iron loft gets less. Basically what I mean by this is I can hit an Apex MB or a Titleist MB (extreme bladed by modern standards) and it would mean that even with my speed, a 5 iron is the least lofted iron I can use before it becomes non functional. Now if I was to have the speed say of Rory McIlroy then the ball carries on on the initial launch angle for longer hence reaches higher peak heights and allows him to use a 4 or 3 or even 2 iron. Unfortunately I am unable to test myself at a slower speed as I can't guarantee to delivery as close as I can at normal speeds. Unfortunately with every review (we all swing at a speed associated with the better player) that the viewer has to read what they can into the content delivered. Much so the individual that wants to know how would a club perform at higher speeds has to read into the review what they can. Above all, watch all the free reviews, learn as much as you can and then go to test them for yourselves. That is the only way to see if you will be able to use these and if any advances in so called tech can assist your scores. 👍👍
Fair enough. I did email Ping and they said if I find in my fitting that I dont get decent peak height or stopping power with my slow swing speed they can bend the loft up to 1/2 club weak (2 deg. weak).
Bear in mind George that peak height is directly proportional to head speed with spin loft. As in increasing loft adds spin and initial launch, yes, but it also decreases ball speed because of the more glancing blow of added loft. Next time you do a gap testing session take particular care to note your peak heights with all the clubs and you'll find that many of them bunch together. Therefore by reducing loft doesn't mean that your peak height will be higher. Saying that your lofts can be adjusted to give you more usable peak height is more of a sales pitch to keep you interested in buying rather than being strictly true. Again you would have to test but in my experience the only way players gain peak height is to either increase head speed or to dramatically change the CG of head with a given loft (example changing to a hybrid head). I'd be keen to see the data capture from any test you do. If you could do the test blind as in you weren't sure which club you had either the standard loft or adjusted loft, then that would make it more real to you. You would be amazed how pliable some peoples minds are if you tell them that a certain club will do a certain thing 👍
I hadn't considered that. That's good to know, especially since adding loft by bending the head may make the bounce problematic on thin lies. As a slow swinger I dont see any real alternative to super forgiving distance irons like the G700 since the alternative is playing 1 to 2 clubs lower loft in a longer shafted "players" iron which requires an absolutely pure strike to achieve the same result. I guess I could use a full set of "hybrids" like the Cleveland Launcher HB irons but those are so butt ugly I'd have to blindfold myself to use them.
I think I have a useful take on modern stronger lofted clubs because last year I changed my 20 year old Yonex clubs (very much jumbo sized, so G700 did not look that massive to me) to M1s. M1 is a much smaller club but is lofted roughly a club, maybe even a club and half stronger than my Yonexs. Lowest iron in my bag is now a 5i previously it was a 4i but I now carry 4 wedges not 3 wedges as previous. I struggle with the M1 5i (more lessons needed!) but then again I also struggled with the Yonex 4i. The reality is that when you compare M1 to Yonex irons by loft rather than number on the bottom there is no real increase in distance but the M1s definitely fly higher and impart enough spin for me to stop a ball reasonably quickly on a hard summer green. I did also try the M2s which are a couple of degrees stronger but they were uncontrollable for me (no stopping power even with an 8i). The stronger lofted modern irons are for me just as playable as my old set - probably more so because the smaller head forces me to be more focused on strike - it is just that you need to recalibrate your perceptions of how far each club goes PS Just seen the G700s in the club shop - very pretty and did not look overly massive. Not sure of sizing but AP1 looks slightly bigger. If I needed new irons now I would probably go for AP3 which are seriously beautiful
Hi Justin, apologies for the late reply I have been a busy boy of late. I believe from reading your great comment that you are exactly right and unfortunately not enough people, actually very few people understand modern day club design and it's marketing like you do. To many people are seated by the marketing of the manufacturers or the selling techniques of the fitting centre. Basically modern day technology really means a more forgiving head (less drop off of ball speed from slight off centre strikes), cranked lofts that throw the numbers stamped on the bottom out of the window, but more peak height due to lowered centre of gravity, with a slight reduction in spin. All this means that it more tech orientated distance irons try to stop the ball on the green through descent angle not spin. This is great until you factor in a windy day and that if you have to lower the flight for an into wind sky you now don't have sufficient height and spin to correctly judge distance control. Thanks for the comment as this type of insightful comment serves to educate other golfers rather than us TH-cam reviewers banging on about it 👍
Which aspect of the review do believe suffers from my honest own opinion of the iron. Just rewatched briefly (it was a while ago I made it) and apart from my own opinion on its aesthetics I was quite complimentary about its performance and forgiveness..... Always open to constructive feedback 👍
I have had these irons for over a year now and I have to say they are brilliant. I am a high handicapper after playing golf for 1.5 years now and they are improving me a lot. The noise.....who cares as long as my scores are falling which they are. I have no complaints from any of the people play with.
I agree with your comment. I have the power specs and the G700's are amazingly long and forgiving. I first hit them at the PGA Show where a tech fit me for the irons and the G400 Max driver. I am sold on Ping!
You'd have to wedge my fingers off my Ping Ls Tec Driver 😀
Got to hit them outdoors on the range today and with my 75-80mph swing with the 7 iron the sound was a pleasant muted "crack". It sounded better than my very old cavity back Callaway's. There's a definite soft feel of the face flexing when you hit them anywhere near the middle, even at my slow swing speed.
Hi Freddy, glad you enjoyed giving them a thorough testing. This is why it's so important to not just take the word of all the reviewers about a certain product but to physically go and give it a hit for yourself. Feel, sound and performance is such an individual thing and no two golfers are the same.
Glad you enjoyed using them and thanks for the independent honest feedback on the iron, I'm sure your comment will help people when they are researching equipment to test. 👍
I appreciate your honest thoughts but you are not the type of player these irons are designed for. I wish there were some reviews from high handicap players on these and other SGI irons. That is the only true test of how good these irons are at what they are designed to do.
Nice review and I do agree with you that down by the ball these don’t inspire confidence. The larger, chunkier the head the more I feel like I’m going to hit it fat, which is exactly what I did. I really wanted to like these irons but I just could not get on with them. The large amount of offset seemed to accentuate my miss which is normally left. The topline is not offensive due to that hydropearl finish and besides the blade length it actually looks decent behind the ball. However in the bag they look like one of those child’s oversized beginner toy sets lol. I’m sure that there are many golfers who will enjoy good success with these and they are worth trying. Keep up the good work 🏌️
Hi Michael, I agree with basically everything you said there. Although some will enjoy the slightly larger profile and some will need the advantages of the design profile Ping opted for in making the G700, there will be equal amounts of people that do not enjoy the looks, feel and performance of the G700 for a multitude of reasons. The best and most encouraging thing is that people like yourself are going out there to test it and giving your feedback on platforms such as TH-cam comments that help arm individual golfers with differing opinions.
Thanks for the comment and for watching 👍
I found the G700 to actually be a very solid feeling iron. A bit loud yes, but they didn't appear as big as I expected them to be after watching many reviewers comment about how big they are. I think the other irons in this category like the Big Bertha OS, Cobra F-Max and even the Ping GMax appear much, much bigger to the eye than these do. I think Ping have been pretty clever in discussing their size with the rounded and beveled edges and the satin finish. They are actually quite an attractive iron. They performed pretty well for me too. Spin was on the lower side, but not overly low and they didn't balloon way high in the sky as I thought they might, which was good. They are just so darn expensive though, even more than the Taylormade P790s at the moment here in Oz.
Hi Brad. Don't get me wrong they are as solid as anything out there. To describe its looks and feeling is so dependent on the own individuals passed experience with irons. If someone is used to using larger Game Improvement irons then this new iron won't look or probably feel too out of place. Coming from a more bladed forged background, then the extreme looks jump out. They have made a good looking iron and some say it looks quite similar to another iron on the market currently. Price point may be an interesting topic as these are among the top end of the scale. I wonder how sales will be at its half cycle.
Thanks for the comment and for watching, your input is always appreciated 👍
Thanks for the reply. I've played irons ranging in size from Mizuno MP-68s to Ping Gs, so I agree the G700s are on the larger side. The G700s just look better to me than a lot of GI irons mostly because you can't see a lot of the back of the club until you get to the longer irons and the lines and finish seem to disguise some of the size until you put them side by side with a more traditional club and then they clearly look large. I do doubt that Ping will sell a lot of these irons at the current price point. The long irons might make for a decent hybrid driving iron though and for less than a Ping Crossover.
You're welcome Brad, I always try where possible to reply to every comment I get as it's you guys watching and interacting on the channel that allows me to continue making content. 👍 Oh don't get me started on the Crossover 😁
Thanks for an interesting review. I have trialled these clubs and didn’t have any issue with the noise. Maybe as an occasional hacker I just don’t notice it.
Going from a traditional Mizuno Soft forging the noise is quite a change. A change I normally see when I go from my longest iron to my hybrids 😁
Thanks for the comment and for watching 👍
Good, honest review. Have to understand the intended target golfer this club was designed for.
Couldn't agree more Tom, these will surely suit a certain type of golfer. Ping has reserved themselves to understanding that these won't sell in the same quantities as the G400's but other manufacturers are pushing this design of head and Ping needs to be seen to be staying with the times....... whether I disagree with the practice or not 😀
Thanks for the comment and for watching.
Great stuff again J, I’d love to see all manufacturers work to a set degree for all irons across the board, then we could get a true picture of all their ridiculous claims on distances etc. I don’t see it ever happening though👍
Oh no I can nearly guarantee that would never happen. How can they prove to be longer than the competition without making their irons 1 degree stronger 😉😊
Thanks for the comment and for watching 👍
Hi, I haven't golfed in years but now that my kids are out of college I want to get back into it. My current set of clubs are probably around 15 years old so I'm in the market for a new set. I was never a good golfer so I was thinking I wanted a very forgiving set as I start back. So, as I started researching globs I've identified three sets that I think might fit the bill:
Ping G700
TaylorMade M CGB
Callaway Rogue
Of those three sets of clubs, do you have any recommendations? Also, any other suggestions are welcome. Thanks in advance.
Hi there thanks for the comment. If I am completely honest I would hold off buying just as yet as Mizuno are due to release their upcoming new line up that will replace the JPX 900 series. I am confident that you wouldn't want to part with all that money only to have an offering come up straight after. At present I quite like the Mizuno JPX900 Hot Metals as a good forgiving iron and don't forget that there will be some good deals going soon because of the new lineup.
If you have any specific needs then I will always suggest getting fitting by a good Custom Fitter that uses launch monitor technology such as GC2+HMT or GCQuad.... getting fit with this technology is key to understanding correct like and strike.
Ping G700 are NOT replacements for G-Max or beginners. They are game improvement with a push towards a players club. They are between the G400 and i200's. They will draw, fade, and go straight. Hit them outside and it is solid! Just traded Callaway Apex for these and I am getting 8-10 additional yards and much higher launch.
Hi HDTVMAN100 sorry for the late reply. But I did want to follow up on your comment about the G700 irons. After you post I sort again expert advice directly from Ping and the long and short of it is that they are replacing the GMax within their lineup with the G700. Now although the design is completely different to the GMax the forgiveness level and performance is well within the stipulated guidelines of that design. Again though, I prefer to see these in a different category than they are. We need another category called Distance as these kids are cranked and they even have a power spec...... Oh my word 😊
Thanks for the comment and for watching 👍
Any chance you could do a comparison between the G700 and the JPX 900 Hot Metal ?
Hi Freddy, good idea. Shouldn't be too hard to produce 👍
Thanks for the comment and for watching.
How would you compare its performance to the Callaway Rogue irons you hit? I currently game the Big Berths irons. I'm looking to upgrade to either the G700 or the Rogue. I would appreciate your opinion on this matter. Thanks!
Hi bgrritchiet, I'm currently working on a quick comparison between the G700 and the Rogue X. It should be the next video uploaded on my channel 👍
Thanks for the comment and for watching.
I just purchased the G700. I hit the Rogue irons for a week that my friend had. We had a demo day, and the G700 was by far longer, more forgiving, and much better looking at address and overall appearance. I had 714 AP1, and these are 15 yards farther, yes lofted stronger, but also way more forgiving and high trajectory that cuts through the wind. I hit my 7 iron 160, I know, that's not much, but that my game now a days. So, I hope this helps. I would suggest a fitting. I got green dot, project x lz 5.5 steel shaft.
I'm a Callaway certified fitter, but I have the G700's & the G400 MAX driver in my bag. No comparison!
I'm not sure, what do you think about the noise?
They are very loud. The new G710 aren't as bad but then they have the Black finish which some may or may not like... Give them a test also before making a decision 👍
Thanks for the comment and for watching.
thanks - great info to process.
Your Welcome Ken. Glad you found the review helpful 👍
Thanks for the comment and for watching.
Can someone explain why Brits say "Ping are" instead of "Ping is"?
Ping in that reference is a single entity unless the idea is they're referring to Ping as 'all the people at Ping', therefore that being multiple people.
Hi Bill, to be honest until you just highlighted this I haven't thought much about the reasons why we do. Is it right, I suppose yes in some references and no in others. I'd put it down to the differences how we all use the English language right and wrong. Hopefully after all is said and done that we get what we want from any particular discussion and come away knowing a bit more than when we did before.
Thanks for the philosophical direction of the comment, it has certainly made me more aware of how I think of describing things. 👍
if you hade them in the right specs for u and u pot it up against uour own iron that goes the same distance how would the dispersion be? thats what i would want to know.
Hi Tomas, honestly I would have to say identical. As remember when it comes to dispersion in an iron (with the fact the it's a straight faced club so no assistance from roll and bulge in woods) that D Plane conquers all. Yes they can try and push CG to alter spin profiles to increase or reduce spin and vertical launch but from a dispersion point of view D Plane will always rule.
What I do know is that I strike my own irons (smaller blade length) a little better with the concentration of strike being greater. I personally feel for me that because of the larger blade lengths I get a little lazy not paying as much attention to absolute middle than I should do. Physically make the iron harder to hit by reducing its size and I concentrate more and as a consequence my strike improves measurably.
Thanks for the comment and for watching 👍
i agree regarding left and right and with what your are saying about strike in theory at least. but a players iron also easier to draw and fade wich should maby have a affect. anyway long and short is dispersion too, and you really seem to land them within a couple of yards wich is impressive!
Hi Jay! I had to ask!? Are they really for beginners? Really? 1stly they are expensive..So, are beginners going to reconstruct their bag re hybrids, and then buy a bunch of wedges? Perhaps we are going to buy 7, 8, 9, PW, plus 3 shorter clubs in the same set? Obviously, I'm just not getting what is going on here! 😊
Hi Neil, I choose to not mention the very upsetting and potential minefield topic around pricing. Yes they are probably along with the crazy Epic Irons among an elite group of crazy priced irons. I'll be keen to speak with my contacts at Ping to keep an eye on sales and projections for this Ping beast 💪👍
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AskGolfNut £160 per club. Not as bad as I thought! 😊
Bargain 😁
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My favorite club in my bag for three years running is the Ping Rapture Driving Iron. These remind me of that, and so I want to fit into them. But I currently play Mizuno MP-18 blades.
Strike is solid. High swing speed (92 mph 30° 6-/7-iron, per GCQuad). I can't see Ping doing a hollow head "better-player's-iron" to complement the Rapture DI. Can someone of my general profile get away with these without introducing too much variability beyond my path and face control?
P.S., I'm scheduled for a Ping demo day, so I will be testing for myself. But trying to arm myself against the usual sales pitch.
Hi Kurt, thanks for your comment and apologies for the late reply. How did the fitting go? With what your saying above that you bring to the table I would definitely think that depending on strike performance that these would be an effective driving iron replacement. Not so much a question of needing them for a full set as your plan height may be a bit too high (again that depends on your own ability to be able to control and deliver different dynamic lofts).
I'm keen to lie what the result of the fitting was and what approach the fitter took (him selling the club or the club fired properly selling itself).
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AskGolfNut Fitting Day is May 20th, so I'm learning what I can ahead of time.
I'm satisfied with a high ball flight throughout my set (incl. 3-iron; I just don't get on with hybrid designs). And that's with DG X100 (AMT) shafts. My interest in the G700s is based on their similarity to the Rapture DI. Though some forgiveness on lesser strikes would be nice for a change.
My most pressing thought is: If I determine optimal strike distance, spin, height, etc., and count on that instead of 'game improvement'-assisted results, do the clubs' GI characteristics become a threat to relying on those numbers (e.g., low-spin off-center --> flyer-like results given high(er) club speed)?
I'm guessing the rep is going to fit me into I200s. Nice clubs, but not impressive enough to spend money on in my opinion. I'll report back once the results are in. I'll keep an eye on your channel in the meantime. Your MP-18 range content was helpful as I geared up for that release.
AskGolfNut Ping demo day was a success. I had hoped the G700s were the best fit for me, but numbers, flight, strike and Ping rep's observations all pointed to the G400s (didn't bother trying the i200s after all). 'Not Workable' GI irons myth was also quickly debunked.
No sales pressure, thankfully. All in all, a good first demo-day experience. Ping once again live up to their reputation.
Why did you get 4700 spin on good balls and 7000 spin on range balls?
Hi Tim, with range balls the way the manufacturers construct range balls to stop them from going full distance for restricted ranges is to make them launch a little lower and spin more. On high lofted irons and wedges, distances aren't really effected much but on the long irons woods and drivers the added spin with decreased launch ensures the range balls stay inside the range and not over the fence 😊. From the initial range testing I can provide feedback on how the club in question looks, feels and sounds when struck. Then going to the premium ball data captured on GCQuad I can describe using a large dataset exactly how the club in question performs. Again it is always vitally important that the individual themselves go and test as my delivery will differ from golfer to golfer.
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Outstanding review by the way. I forgot to say that below. It seems to me the peak height comes from the fact that they make the face softer at the top so that the face essentially bends to a weaker effective loft when the face bows in. The question I have is, if I only have 75 mph club head speed, am I going to flex the face enough to get that higher launch or is it going to launch more in line with the static loft? If the latter then the ball probably isn't going to stop. If I do buy a set of these I may ask them to bend the loft 1 or 2 degree's weaker since I'm a slow swinger. The question then becomes what does bending them weaker do to the bounce when the soles are that big? Always tradeoffs, no perfect solutions.
Maybe a good addition to your testing would be hitting with slower club head speed (e.g. 75mph) just to see what it does to the numbers.
If you reduce swing speed on any given club all it will mean is that the design of any iron makes it more or less usable as the iron loft gets less. Basically what I mean by this is I can hit an Apex MB or a Titleist MB (extreme bladed by modern standards) and it would mean that even with my speed, a 5 iron is the least lofted iron I can use before it becomes non functional. Now if I was to have the speed say of Rory McIlroy then the ball carries on on the initial launch angle for longer hence reaches higher peak heights and allows him to use a 4 or 3 or even 2 iron.
Unfortunately I am unable to test myself at a slower speed as I can't guarantee to delivery as close as I can at normal speeds.
Unfortunately with every review (we all swing at a speed associated with the better player) that the viewer has to read what they can into the content delivered. Much so the individual that wants to know how would a club perform at higher speeds has to read into the review what they can.
Above all, watch all the free reviews, learn as much as you can and then go to test them for yourselves. That is the only way to see if you will be able to use these and if any advances in so called tech can assist your scores. 👍👍
Fair enough. I did email Ping and they said if I find in my fitting that I dont get decent peak height or stopping power with my slow swing speed they can bend the loft up to 1/2 club weak (2 deg. weak).
Bear in mind George that peak height is directly proportional to head speed with spin loft. As in increasing loft adds spin and initial launch, yes, but it also decreases ball speed because of the more glancing blow of added loft. Next time you do a gap testing session take particular care to note your peak heights with all the clubs and you'll find that many of them bunch together. Therefore by reducing loft doesn't mean that your peak height will be higher. Saying that your lofts can be adjusted to give you more usable peak height is more of a sales pitch to keep you interested in buying rather than being strictly true. Again you would have to test but in my experience the only way players gain peak height is to either increase head speed or to dramatically change the CG of head with a given loft (example changing to a hybrid head).
I'd be keen to see the data capture from any test you do. If you could do the test blind as in you weren't sure which club you had either the standard loft or adjusted loft, then that would make it more real to you. You would be amazed how pliable some peoples minds are if you tell them that a certain club will do a certain thing 👍
I hadn't considered that. That's good to know, especially since adding loft by bending the head may make the bounce problematic on thin lies. As a slow swinger I dont see any real alternative to super forgiving distance irons like the G700 since the alternative is playing 1 to 2 clubs lower loft in a longer shafted "players" iron which requires an absolutely pure strike to achieve the same result. I guess I could use a full set of "hybrids" like the Cleveland Launcher HB irons but those are so butt ugly I'd have to blindfold myself to use them.
Get the G700's with the Recoil F2 shaft. You'll pick up 8-10+ yards.
I think I have a useful take on modern stronger lofted clubs because last year I changed my 20 year old Yonex clubs (very much jumbo sized, so G700 did not look that massive to me) to M1s.
M1 is a much smaller club but is lofted roughly a club, maybe even a club and half stronger than my Yonexs. Lowest iron in my bag is now a 5i previously it was a 4i but I now carry 4 wedges not 3 wedges as previous. I struggle with the M1 5i (more lessons needed!) but then again I also struggled with the Yonex 4i. The reality is that when you compare M1 to Yonex irons by loft rather than number on the bottom there is no real increase in distance but the M1s definitely fly higher and impart enough spin for me to stop a ball reasonably quickly on a hard summer green.
I did also try the M2s which are a couple of degrees stronger but they were uncontrollable for me (no stopping power even with an 8i).
The stronger lofted modern irons are for me just as playable as my old set - probably more so because the smaller head forces me to be more focused on strike - it is just that you need to recalibrate your perceptions of how far each club goes
PS Just seen the G700s in the club shop - very pretty and did not look overly massive. Not sure of sizing but AP1 looks slightly bigger. If I needed new irons now I would probably go for AP3 which are seriously beautiful
Hi Justin, apologies for the late reply I have been a busy boy of late. I believe from reading your great comment that you are exactly right and unfortunately not enough people, actually very few people understand modern day club design and it's marketing like you do. To many people are seated by the marketing of the manufacturers or the selling techniques of the fitting centre. Basically modern day technology really means a more forgiving head (less drop off of ball speed from slight off centre strikes), cranked lofts that throw the numbers stamped on the bottom out of the window, but more peak height due to lowered centre of gravity, with a slight reduction in spin.
All this means that it more tech orientated distance irons try to stop the ball on the green through descent angle not spin. This is great until you factor in a windy day and that if you have to lower the flight for an into wind sky you now don't have sufficient height and spin to correctly judge distance control.
Thanks for the comment as this type of insightful comment serves to educate other golfers rather than us TH-cam reviewers banging on about it 👍
You shouldn’t review clubs you dislike so much.
Which aspect of the review do believe suffers from my honest own opinion of the iron. Just rewatched briefly (it was a while ago I made it) and apart from my own opinion on its aesthetics I was quite complimentary about its performance and forgiveness..... Always open to constructive feedback 👍