Jordan Peterson On Why Beta Males Became Movie Stars | Andrew Schulz & Akaash Singh
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Good for Andrew Shultz, found a way to get paid off a therapy session
This is how councilling went for me.
He learned from Theo
Ngl with the amount of JP laughing I think hes the one receiving the therapy
He s goin through it all in this clip😂
My thoughts exactly wtf!
I respect Andrew for his skill to shut up when JP talks until he finishes.
YES!
Absolutely amazing self control (or respect)
@@bayunugraha5095 I think it was respect, and funny enough the subject discussed in the video, admiration. It was so nice to see Andrew, who usually is very dominant and not-give-a-fuck how he was almost like a child while talking to Jordan. Not a critique or a demeaning of him, I was just pointing that out, it was cute.
#transference
Something Cathy Newman desperately needs to learn
I like how Peterson makes Andrew think, and pushes him to dive deeper into these ideas. He truly is a phenomenal teacher, regardless of if you agree with his teachings
The problem is that people have changed admiration for envy. They rather envy you and put you down instead of admire and emulate your strong behavior.
It seems like a lot of people are passive aggressive nowadays too.
Instead of looking up to you and trying to join in your success, they ridicule you and try to tear you down so they feel less bad about themselves and because it's easier to stay where they're at. They'd rather have everyone lose and be equal losers than to have hard work and determination pay off.
Crab mentality
I feel like the modern society functions off people's insecurities...like the beauty industry for eg....they sell a LOT of crap women don't need ,but are still in business because of the drag queen look pushed as 'attractive' when it really isn't. And there's this media programming that constantly, subtly makes you feel like shit so that they can indoctrinate u. What a dull world.
I don't think we changed it, it just accelerated rapidly when we got access to media, press and internet. It's still admiration towards competence and competence makes people powerful and we envy that power we can't get - sometimes because of our limitations, but that doesn't makes us weak - we find strength in reaching our limit every day.
"A Harmless Man is Not a Good Man, A good man is a Dangerous Man who has that under Voluntary Control" ~ Jordan Peterson
A ridiculously stupid statement aimed at people who want to hear exactly bullcrap like this. All human beings are inherently dangerous and destructive, this is nothing to be proud of and having it under control has nothing to do with being a good person. Although Jordan Peterson sure knows his target audience, dude is a drug addict that doesn't follow his own rules, but he sure is making a lot of money out of the redpill/mgtow/incel communities. It's sad to look at...
@@PayAttEx i still like his message. let's see if he can get his drug problem under control. I'm pullin for him.
quaoting an alcoholic very kool
@@PayAttEx some are more dangerous than others. Think about that.
@@PayAttEx no.
“When a society’s corrupt, the powerful rule. When a society isn’t corrupt, the great have authority” - Jordan Peterson, 2021
Pfp checks out
We have been in a corrupt society for too long, too fucking long.
So basically Stalinist Russia wasn’t corrupt since Stalin had authority
Can you please point to an uncorrupt society? Thanks!
@@professormurdoc1359 not the op, but there is levels. You can see clearly how societies and even states behaved on lock downs. Sweden did not lockdown at all. Take a look on how swedish girls behave, Huge difference from the typical entitled American girls. Young girls reflect their society the best.
I love Jordan Peterson. 99% percent of the time when I think he's going off topic, forgot about the subject and about to make a fool of himself he always brings it all back around and freaking crushes it. He's so damn good at explaining things and incorporating so many perspectives it's often hard to keep up with.
Individually this is one of the best Jordan Peterson conversations on TH-cam as well as individually being one of the best Andrew Schulz clips on TH-cam and what makes it even better is that they are in conversation together. I crave this kind of content.
its a really funny combo of people
Michael Cera watching at home: "what did I do to deserve this?" lol
Lol poor dude
@Tom S He plays Beta males. Michael Cera is a great actor and highly competent. Therefore he is an alpha, according to Jordan Peterson;)
Not like he could do anything about it
@@burnafterreading7335 you would be surprised what he could do about it with the amount of money he has;)
Cera didnt deserve this criticism, we had revenge of the nerds, anthony michael hall, so many thin dudes play good roles for comedic purposes cause they relate to real life and they arent jocks. The alpha beta male concept is so ridiculous.
Im not going to lie Andrew Shultz asked all the right questions here, quality hosting!
So true!
Yeah Andrew is a good listener and because of this he asks great questions
100%
@@BlackMoridin He's also factually accurate, which makes his conversation so much better to follow.
True. I wasn't surprised that Peterson said insightful things but I was surprised by how well Andrew steered the conversation witbout trying to get in the way. Thats not a trivial thing.
I love that Jordan Peterson doesn't talk down to whoever his hosting him and makes you think in the process
A lot of guys who think they're alphas when they're really not, tend to be those that beat their chests the loudest. A prime example of using a visage of power to mimic greatness. Great people don't need to create a spectacle to convey their true greatness.
I agree.
Fake it till you make it?
@@yep-sb4uf that would assume that beating their chest is a necessary task towards achieving some life goal.
@@SomeSurvive the goal of not being a puss. Lead an ineffective life, then dominate whoever, where and when you can. Over compensate for failures elsewhere...
Yeah, that's why they need a professor to explain it to them. The irony. Professors are "known" as being "alphas."
A female casting director was asked why all these men from Australia are doing well in American movies. She responded without hesitation, "They're manlier."
That's misogyny
Who was this?
This seems made up
@Tim Rolle that two is enough
@Tim Rolle Russel Crowe... Mel Gibson... I’m sure there’s more.
This Red Skull guy is making some good points.
Hail lobster
I still dont understand why people think Jordan Peterson is a bad guy.
@@lifeaquatic1267 He pushes personal responsibility which is counter to dividing people into groups and identities
He seems like a good villain can’t wait to see him in the next Captain America
"If you see a cat in the street, pet it." -Red Skull, ultra-nazi
oh lord, it's always astonishing how he breaks things apart so neatly and you just can't helped to be awed. Can not be thankful enough to have this man around us.
I really enjoyed how Jordan positively pushed Andrew to find the distinction between power and greatness. It was almost magical!
The passion for truth was palpable.
Jordan lit up like a christmas tree when he saw the argument begin to unfold. #sharethepassion #findthedifference
Master clinical psychologist at work. HAHA!
Andrews face when it hits him...true realization...
“Good became synonymous with harmless”
The way Jordan can say impactful things in the most nonchalant way is amazing.
He stole It from Nietzsche, that's the Christian morality.
@@JMyrk You mean he learnt it from him. Otherwise how much have you stolen from others?
@@JMyrk Wisdom and knowledge are spread not stolen
@stryfetc1 Only when you see things in the simplistic black and white sense. In the real world unchecked kindness and compassion can make you vulnerable to mistreatment and exploitation
Its absolutely empty statement -_-
Wtf is wrong with you people?
Massively over-generalized nothingness than can be applied to practically any situation.
Thats not smart, that just empty. And even then, its purely his way of descriping how people have reacted to his bad takes. That is pure victimhood mentality there.
JP walked Andrew into the answer and he didn't even know he was being led. Amazing.
Pure Socrates right there.
That’s what a great psychotherapist does.
I do not think he led him. And was more that he was helping Schulz to explain his idea and give him the right vocabulary to do so. Because Peterson obviously thought about these things a lot and can provide some of that thinking structure
In health sciences that is called “Motivational Interviewing”. Just google it...
No that’s cult shit not philosophy
The dynamic of this interview is just gold. Wish we'd have more of this, in all the media.
"When a society is corrupt, then the powerful rule. When a society isn't corrupt, then the great have authority." - JP
Yes, so JBP knows that our society is corrupt yet he still cheerleads for capitalism.
He can't se his own cognitive dissonance.
don't you have people you need to send to the gulag? go away and get back to your work.
In which society in what era is the top people not corrupt? Alexander the Great was Great because he was able to massacre millions of people and put his names on burned cities. Maybe this is the definition of not corrupted? When you don't pretend you are a 'good' person and just kill off everyone to get their stuff unlike wealthy nations nowadays that pretend they are enlightened governments but kill people covertly to get their stuff.
Evil is not always in your face, sometimes it's quiet and pretends it's on your side.
And often it thinks it's your unopposed enemy.
It often does. People think evil is ugly but it’s actually the opposite it’s very appealing.
Dayum! Need this on my t-shirt! 🔥👌👍🙏
you raaaang? 👿
Like JP😊
jordan peterson acting like a wise teacher here. he's showing andrew where to look but not what to see. "you made this point let's examine it! what's the difference between greatness & power?"
'Showing where to look but not what to see' love that!
I got the same teacher vibes but it's great but I suppose Peterson is a professor
Well he is a wise teacher after all.
Socratic method
JLP would call him beeeetaaaaa
I love how excited he gets when everything starts clicking in his mind that it all makes sense.
Jordan seems especially healthy and energetic, I want this man to live to a hundred.
Michael Cera: Am I a joke to you?
Jordan and Andrew: Yes
Michael Cera: okay
Is there anything wrong with Michael Cera, specifically though? I never hear him being outspoken about things or being obnoxious. Just some dude who seems like a wuss in movies, but in real life might be cool. No idea one way or another.
@@erikq9788 HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA Good one!
@@RCCarDude It’s more about why the hell is he Hollywood because he doesn’t have that look or vibe. And how many wuss guys like him they make movies about now.
@@RCCarDude For sure, he seems like a fine dude. That's what they said in their conversation. He's fine, but the idea of him is frustrating. He's starring in all these movies and he plays a giant beta everytime
Good to see Jordan Peterson seems like he’s back on his toes and starting to feel better.
I got that feeling as well ..
The guy is a genius in my eyes ! Both him and Andrew are in their respective fields..
Agreed one of the more energized clips I’ve seen of him in years.
He has been mewing and is now the CEO of Jawline
I love and admire this man!
Yes, I am so greatful for his recovery, he is a truly inspiring philosopher and psychologist of our time.
I love the back and forth between theses guys. I would definitely like to see Jordon on this show way more. Discussing different issues.
You can actually see what he's been through in his face. Glad he's working well again. That's strength tight there
This is basically a pep talk between a cool professor and his highly motivated and interested student
What are you talking about? Jordan sounded like an idiot, wasn't explaining anything. This was sad to watch.
@Supernatural you're probably not the most intelligent
@@robertguard3923 Probably not but I know when someone else isn't intelligent.
@@supernatural5354 just to clarify, do you think Jordan Peterson isn't intelligent?
@@supernatural5354 I guarantee you that you don't even have a completed undergrad. You don't get to talk shit about a clinical psychologist who used to lecture at Harvard. Just be happy you people like him to balance out the you in this God forsaken world.
Interesting how stand-up comedians (Schulz, Theo Von, hell even Joe Rogan) turn out to be the best interviewers.
I think they're more open minded and aren't afraid to look stupid or bad cause there's no ego
Well, I will say that joe Rogan keeps hogging the convo in his interviews.
@@CrazyEggs123456789 he does that all the time, i think he just gets excited and talks too much
Years ago I read about why all of America tuned in to Johnny Carson (and their kids stayed up later to watch Letterman right after). They both were from the Midwest and their style had a folksy regular guy sensibility. The guest was hip, urbane, rich and famous, but the viewers could see themselves in the seat of the host asking, "gee, that's interesting. Wow, that's incredible"
Comedians are tapped into that sensibility better than slick network figures today.
Yes interesting indeed but when you think it about it is not very surprising. Comedians watch everything and everyone, well everyone watch of course but comedians watch more carefully than the rest, generally speaking. And if you watch careful enough you will see things more clearly.
“Weakness became synonymous with good”
Holy shit it was finally put into words.
I have had no way to describe this in my head but here it is.
I didn’t get it. >.
Total nonsense though.
Define weakness.
Not being obsessed with death and destruction is weakness apparently
@@lordchristoph9935 weak men are inherently incapable of going through the necessary hardship to erect and uphold civilization. That's what this mean.
Jordan Peterson has a way of putting things in words that really makes a person go "OH" and have an eye opening experience.
“Power is the mimicry of greatness.” The best thing I’ve heard in a while
@Hellsonly that is also true
Right?? I immediate texted that to my closest friends
Not necessarily
I immediately had to think of the most powerful people in the world and how they came to their position...never mind.
@k c yea the powerful only seem to be interested in making everyone see them the way they see themselves.
It's like two parts of ur mind talking to each other
What a great analysis!
LOL!!!
Yo 😂💯
Spot on loL
No women in the way of a great conversation
I love this ,
how a comedian and a human behavior specialist can
"Huddle open together without getting different chips"
That last line about admiring skill versus position is a perfect summation of why I was a problem child around authority. I could never articulate it, but anyone who showed themselves incompetent or abusive with their power, shitty teachers mainly, I had zero respect for them. And contempt, in some cases.
But anyone who was respectful to me, who made an effort to talk with me rather than dictate, and who showed genuine effort and passion for their work went straight to the top of my list.
"Do you want to be led by someone who isn't great?"
-Red Skull
😂😂😂
I don’t..great people aren’t boring you muppet.
Hehe gold 😅
Hehe gold 😅
I like how that communist writer with the fake African name (Mom probs watched Lion King) made Red Skull a superhero.
Red Skull should get his own comic. Redemption arc of an anti-hero.
Schulz really brought the best out of Jordan Peterson. Great job guys
Or did herr redskull bring out the best in Shulz?
umm...JP is already the best. It was Schulz who learned something in this interview.
@@1flash3571 you can see a lot of times where schulz had that "lightbulb moment" face during the conversation
Im pretty sure you meant it the other way arround buddy
When I saw the title, I was like this is a match made in heaven lol
This was honestly a great interview with one of the brightest minds on the planet Andrew. Very impressed
Love this talk and both you guys... It's like two parts of my brain had a conversation in this video.
I admire Jordan Peterson, he takes what the other person is trying to say and articulates it better than they can
Perfectly stated. I share videos like this of him to people I know that I can’t seem to get through to and I know when they don’t respond they actually watched it and are thinking of it and I can see them evolving slowly over time.
I could see this being very frustrating to be on the opposite end of this.
@@corncob4627 that's why they killed Socrates
not like he's talking to Einstein. his league is Dr Oz at best.
He is true greatness
Andrew was experiencing the same feeling you get when you are in class with an amazing teacher and you have a engaging conversation that evokes so much admiration you can’t hide it.
Yeap. Peterson's critiques will revolt. The most interesting people show true admiration for the guy. It was damn time
@@cristianproust oh god lol, the level of arrogance and how much you think you're the most enlightened in the room and how much you people worship this dude is hysterical
@@error-cx7zpArrogance itself is not hilarious. Arrogance in an incompetent person, I agree is pretty hilarious.
But if the person is competent, it can be unpleasant, but hilarious is not the word.
Because, when it is unpleasant, it means you tested the person, and you got slapped in the face with the realization that your initial presupposition was false.
You should confront that person, and after you confirm the arrogance is void, laugh, otherwise you are going to feel that mistake.
If you laugh automatically without any real evidence that is undeserved, then is just a low self esteem protecting itself.
You can laugh at someone mimicking power, but if the power is real, you will regret it.
He was that student in class
@Lucifer Policing behavior again, Karen?
"where are the alpha males in tv and movies??"
dude, what? think of a popular male actor right now. Who'd you get? The Rock, Ryan Reynolds, Mark Wahlberg, Michael B. Jordan, Chris Hemsworth, Jason Mamoa? there are more "alpha" male actors and roles than there has ever been... the best paid actor in the world is probably The Rock, not exactly what I call a beta male..
Ya this is a classic clickbait topic and… of course it works.
Yeah but that doesn’t suit my agenda that men today are soft and men in the past were sexier/tougher. Also I need something or someone who I can demonstrate as weak and associate that with my enemy and their following.
@@BingBingTheClown why does the feminists defend weak/feminine men in first place? Its not becoz they are kind and they want those men to be like them, its just coz it feeds their inferiority complex towards men, they love it when men copy or act weak and feminine, they advice men to be weak, but never on how to overcome it, they hate on masculine men, they basically hate on those who are stronger than them becoz of inferiority complex. Feminists these days are nothing but a bunch of insecure women.
@@dahliafiend its not a click bait topic, its still a topic to discuss on why some embrace weakness as something great, why advocing stronger men to be weak, can't they just say how to overcome weakness ? Is this parallel world.
@@BingBingTheClown Found the beta kekw
The moment Andrew brought up "Power vs Greatness" I instantly thought of "Jay Leno vs Conan O'Brien" lol
The only weird thing was how only Bruce Willis has saved the day for 40 years.
Yea Bruce was America’s protector it seems
Long Live Bruce Willis!
Yippy-Kai-Eh
That's 14,600 days. The man has a hell of a work ethic
Rob zombie?
Andrew stumbled upon a brilliant line. "I think there is a difference, because once somebody accesses power, they don't necessarily need to be more great. They'll just do whatever they can to continue to have that power."
Capitalism’s end result. No I’m not advocating for socialism.
People like to scream that capitalism is amazing because the better item gets sold more. That’s great on paper but in actual practice, which we have decades of historical proof backing up, competition is squashed by the people at the top where the new products and competition are blacklisted into obscurity. This leads to a stagnate to that progress advocates tend to try and rely on. It’s why we have a mixed economy.
@@tchoythao1730 I appreciate your comment and agree with you to an extent. Any economic or political system in which a small group of people can wield power over others is susceptible to corruption. And capitalism is one example of that, for the reasons you described. Additionally, when the rich and powerful capitalists manipulate politicians with their influence, it creates a whole separate issue--as we see in America. However, I'd argue that capitalism is the best available system when compared to its alternatives. I was about to write the reasons why, but I think this is getting to be long enough of a comment lol. Essentially, my main point in this reply is that a certain segment of people are corruptible, particularly those that desire power over others rather than greatness. And in capitalism, the common-folk have more of an ability to stop said corruption than in a system such as socialism or communism, not that you are advocating for them. Okay I'm ending my long comment here now lol.
@@Chris-zz9wm I disagree with that notion that the people have more power to stop the corruption as when corruption occurred in the industrial revolution, it took the government full force to stop it. I also disagree that capitalism is the best system in general, as it is what is ruining the mixed economy that the US has, which stems from the overpush of capitalist ideas probably due to the Cold War propaganda.
All systems work on paper, theoretically, however the human aspect is what messes things up. However, the one that works the best at the moment is the mixed system as it allows both the government, the people, and the business to check each other due to its flexible nature. The problem with it is that it does take more time to decide on certain aspects, but change doesn’t happen as fast as people want.
@@tchoythao1730 Fair points!
@@tchoythao1730 most likely we will switch to Stakeholder Capitalism from Capitalism. The reason for that is to primarily resolve the flaws of capitalism.
6:43 Andrew Schulz's reaction here is me listening to Jordan Peterson talk about anything. He is so insightful and makes you realise things that were right in front of your face but you just never understood.
I never get tired of seeing the look on someone's face when they finally make the connection 💫 it's pure magic.
"You want the Great, but it can be mimicked by Psychopaths"...DAMN! Let that sink in......
Yeah that was a solid point.
I have lived it for years. At their mercy.
@pullupseattle thats not being a psycho thats called kissing someones ass
@Top Lobster thats a being a beta imo but if it means ur getting more money fuck it
So sell out for money is what you're saying.
dude I fuckin love how much andrew is digging this, he's like a little kid when the hero wins at the end of the movie
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Yeah it's pretty cute, i imagine id be the same way with Jordan Peterson though
I was a fan of Andrew's comedy before this video. After watching this video I am now a fan of Andrew as an individual. This level of discussion was not something I expected given his comedic style and the surprise has me smiling from ear to fucking ear. I love your comedy, however discussions like this truly show how intelligent you are. I learned something new from this conversation and that's not something that happens very often these days.
This one of my favorite interviews that Peterson has done.
I love when you can see Jordan Pertersons words click in someones head, it never gets old.
Hes a real bro
Power is control over other, Greatness is control over yourself
Well said
That was my exact thought when they were trying to distinguish the difference between the 2.
@Derek Hitt Hmm, youre right power doesnt always have to be a negative. But even in the most positive instance of someone in power, theyre ultimately displaying their ability to control or influence others.
My statement was just a way to show the difference between the two. In the most negative example of greatness, its still about the persons control over themselves and nobody else.
Please make a podcast with peterson and explain this to him so we don't have to go on the same conversation over and over again.
@Tim Rolle he never claimed to be an aplha
I never thought I’d see these two link up.
Great conversation, got me rethinking why I want what I want.
I love how organized Peterson's thinking processes are. So articulate.
After christopher hitchens and richard dawkins, the only other person id call articulate is jordan peterson. Maybe there are a lot more, but ive only been lucky enough to have known these 3.
@@manush60 Jordan is a theist. Frank Turek destroyed Dawkins lol
Aristotle and Pluto
It shows that he is trained in working with people. As a professor or psychologist or whatever else he does. Once you are in business of explaining things to people if you are at least half decent you will learn how to put words that they get across well.
@@cephas5053 yeah and Hitchens destroyed Frank. Like why do you people have to bring religion on the table without any context? Get over this obsession for the love of humanity, please.
JP is the personal psychologist for all the high level podcasters.
.... which is sad. He has nothing to offer.
Nothing to offer? who tha fuck are u
@@robertnicholls9917 haha that’s a stupid comment
@@robertnicholls9917 the only thing that is sad and has nothing to offer is your existence.
Pop psychology has been around forever. He is nothing new. Everything is viewed through the patriarchal lens.
This was great. The Peterson interview clips are really interesting.
I love with Shulz catches some new information he gets so excited. A quality in a person truly wanting to learn.
Micheal Cera in the move 'this is the end' straight Alpha.
Facts
Gotta see that one
He still died like a beta tho
@@GoldenBoyDims his death was fucking legendary
Lol. What does it say when the reason that worked so well and was so funny is because it's the exact opposite of how the characters he plays act? I don't know Michael Cera in real life, neither does anyone i know, so who knows? Maybe that is closer to the truth. Though i have a strong suspicion that if it were true we were had heard it by now.
This feels like teacher and student. I love how Jordan asks questions basically to see if the person he is talking to can come to their own conclusions and to make sure that they are following him.
Jordan Peterson is the best! Stay strong ans healthy! We all rely on your quick wit and compassion.
He is one of the greatest men of our time
Socratic method.
@@BigCowProductions 🤣
@@BigCowProductions No he isn't. Peterson isn't even the greatest psychologist in Canada, let alone north America, though he certainly has a knack for self-promotion. He also has a way of presenting others' wisdom as his own. 99% of what he says comes from Nietzsche, Jung, Aristotle and a host of others, and though he acknowledges his debt to them in his recorded lectures, he rarely if ever mentions their names when speaking to the media. The media then confuse Peterson's insights with the insights of the intellectual giants on which his entire worldview rests, and the people who read, listen to or watch said media fall for the same rouse. Don't fall for this rouse. Go to the source(s) and find out why Peterson says what he says. Never treat him or the likes of Pinker as authorities on social change. They're psychologists, not historians, and their knowledge of history leaves a lot to be desired.
@@davesmith826 hey your going to confuse people man, no need to say stuff like that in the comments lol.
I love Jordan Peterson I’m so glad you had him on and touching on a much needed talked subject!
Spot on! Very intuitive discussion! Thanks gents!
“Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times.”
"If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever."
🙌🙌
A human boot. Crushing the very minds of makers of said boot.
and the main ingredient for this cycle is ignorance
man, I've been telling that phrase so many times these last few weeks.. I guess is what needs to be heard lately.
btw, I am a woman!
@@nandakishoreprime4090 That 1st quote is an oversimplification of history. The colonizers that were supposed to be the 'strong men' didn't bring good times to the untouched lands of the natives. Only disease and death.
Power = control over others
Great = control over themselves
No.
There are just 2 kinds of power: feminine and masculine control over people and control over nature
Well said.
@@deltaxcd can you elaborate on this point?
@@chigz2
men stereotypically seek to control nature in a way of acquiring skill, technologies and knowledge.
women seek to control people in a way of building power hierarchies distributing responsibilities, creating social networks, and making compromises.
Both kinds of power give psychological satisfaction to people depending on their character.
You can see that women feel almost orgasmic when they can give commands to other people. and men feel the same when they discover some new ways to do things without asking anyone.
Power = the ability to shape reality to your desires.
Greatness = when others find your power beneficial.
great vid, love the enthusiasm.
This has been THE most fun to watch yet educational interview I've ever seen.
Then I suggest you watch more inteviews.
Never seen Jordan genuinely laugh. Lasted 1.7 seconds. Never again. NFT that smile
He laughs a lot on Theo Vons podcast too mate it’s awesome
Worth millions
I am telling you. We really need to NFT those 1.7 seconds. Somebody pls get to it
@@mohdsaifhussain FYI NFTs are G A Y.
Can someone please explain an NFT to me? I see tech-heads doing so and failing to do so.
You could stumble upon power, but you can't stumble upon greatness, hence why it's not as easy to admire someone with power like it is with someone you consider great.
did you come up with that?
@@lostieaddict yh I did.
But as he stated, we confuse greatness for power. Hence why he was skeptical of these “beta males” who have great acting skills, as well as why we strive for materialism in America.
A great example is Ed Sheeran. He doesn’t look as great as a brad or a chad, but can make every girl pick him over them just with his voice. We’ve confused a great physique and athleticism as alpha and greatness, and it can be, but we have to remember to distinct whether it is or not because a lot of them are only powerful and never great, hence the “peeked in high school” athletes and popular kids.
@@tchoythao1730 pick Ed Sheeran for his voice? Would you date and marry a woman you don't find physically attractive because they can sing?
How about when they can sing and they are wealthy because of it?..
There is a difference.
@@olahnzaft2311 They are rich because they can sing and not the other way around, generally speaking.
Looks matter but they have the greatest impact on first impressions. Appearance is a form of power, not greatness. Anything you admire about a person that they did not willingly obtain themselves,usually during first impressions, is most likely not admiration of their greatness but their power. How you use said power, or lack of, can heavily determine your greatness.
Examples,
-Dan Blizerian is not a great man, but he is (was) a powerful one because of his (daddy’s) wealth.
- Trump is debatable whether he is a great man as he is a trust fund baby with dirt across his name even before his presidency. However, Elon Musk is the opposite arguably as while he is a trust fund baby, he is known as an amazing boss.
I’m not saying a powerful person does not deserve certain things per say, or give up their power. But like they said in the video, you have to make the distinction.
Very interesting chat !!! Thanks for sharing it !!
Being true to yourself and being sensitive IS strong. Women love it. These guys are just talking in terms of cliches and stereotypes. This conversation went nowhere for me.
P.S. the best this guy can come up with is Bruce Willis? That explains a lot!
Just because you didn't find what you wanted doesn't mean there wasn't value in this.
@@Cjd72 Backatcha, likewise!
From 6 minutes and beyond you can see things clicking in Schulz's head, dude looks like he unlocked the secrets to the universe.
Yup and thats pretty much all of Petersons audience the longer you watch his videos.
@@sherlock7898 They’re all looking for a father figure. Grown men looking For a hero to worship
@@JacquelineMeHofferbergah They are having a conversation about an interesting topic. You want to caricaturize it because you think you know better. Well, deal with the impact, this guy is growing even more than in the past
I saw that and I love to see it because I know exactly what that feels like.. so satisfying and beautiful and profound and euphoric.
I think anyone who is a thinker (as Andrew is regardless of how he comes across and is alot of the time) has moments like that.
@@cristianproust I don’t “think I know better”. Self help is a billion dollar business and Jordan Peterson is just one salesman.
"Power is the mimicry of greatness. Greatness deserves power. Who else do you want leading you?"
"People with power have an arbitrary nature to desire GREATNESS". A broken wheel is right twice a day blah blah blah. Their examples for things aren't rooted or solidified completely either so I'm not sure why people are taking full blown quotes out of such a simple convo. This is like a drunk kid asking his uncle why things "ARE THE WAY THEY ARE" then they talk like Jordan lol.
@@wesleypaddock3416 if that's what you took from this video then God bless you. That was such a beta comment, you must be a Michael serra supporter.
Jordan Peterson is a book nerd who spent most of his life in a cushy classroom and doesn’t know the real world. Now he is talking nonsense statist bullshit. Our institutions are competent? Power is only greatness? Yeah taxing the fuck out of your peasants and setting up regulations to make their lives harder and the people at the top easier is fucking great, for those at the top. Power always comes with the ability to exercise control over others. This is why it’s in our dna not to be completely trusting of those who have it.
@@serggla924 Peterson comes from tough, tough country, the northern edge of the farm belt in Alberta. No one survives in that country unless they're tough as nails and able to handle a lot of difficulties, oftentimes with little or no support. I've worked that country as an oil rig roughneck and in heavy construction where first thing during winter mornings it might be 40 below and the day might get even colder as it progresses, so I've seen it first-hand and know it's too tough for a lot of folks. For someone to come out of that country and achieve what Peterson has is one hell of a story, especially with his health problems and how he's had to provide for others with health problems. I'd say your post is ignorant and mouthy, and I suspect you've probably never done much real work in your life, and are probably too useless to know how to do much competently. Would you say your life has been mainly a waste so far? Mouthy and filled with cliches? Basically the same stupid ignorance year in, year out? Open your ears to what Peterson is all about and you can find yourself a personality and life, at least a lot more than you have now.
It’s really nice to see Jordan Peterson smile and laugh I haven’t seen that much, thank you 🙏🏼 you
That was a nice, easy debate for Peterson. That's sweet that he does these types of interviews.
"Do we have nobody new here? Is Bruce Willis the only guy left?!"
Somewhere in Hollywood Jason Statham is crying manly tears of insignificance.
Yeah where'd he go?
First dude I thought of when 🐬 said that
Wasn't bruce willis seen as kind of a pretty boy before he did die hard. Until that movie he was knows for soap operas and shit.
"Ya'll must have forgot" - Steven Seagal 😅
Sean William Scott, Nick Nolty, Jason Mamoa, Tom Hardy, Anthony Mackie, Jackie Chang. Culture changed.
The look of sheer delight on Shultz face when JBP articulated what was in Shultz's head, I find extremely relatable.
JBP you have my respect as always, thank you for your much needed messages to the world.
This was good; especially when he said "when a society is corrupt the powerful rule, but when a society isnt corrupt; then the great have authority" (difference between greatness and power).
Andrew's version of alpha male is Bruce Willis, for me it's Keanu.
I think JP explained it excellently. You don't have to project power, rather competence and confidence.
Keanu is the man
Remember, they are both just actors. They aren’t actually doing these things.
@@andrewculross9421
I'm talking about how Keanu conducts himself offscreen. Of course there are better examples in other fields. Comparison is easy if the field is similar.
@@AinzWoolGown yeah I feel you. Just reminding you that, for actors, there’s very little things that go down “off screen” and I’d be hesitant to invest your ideologies on someone whose image is designed to be wildly unrealistic
My version of alpha is napoleon
This man is a legend, he made Jordan Peterson not only smile but laugh
credit to the Rat King for doing it first lol
@@000firebird rat king?
@@unfortunate7803 Theo Von
The Von Don did it better but both are great
2:45 credit to JP for making a comedian laugh as well
It's good to see Dr. Peterson on a high mood. I saw him the other day in Indianapolis and he was cracking jokes and moving .
Respect to the crew for interviews like these and not just making content for the lowest common denominator.
"When a society is corrupt, the powerful rule. When a society isn't corrupt, the great have authority."
I CANT BELIEVE YOU GOT HIM. He is the reason I’m in graduate school.
depends what u do with it
@@MESteve85 at least they inspire you to be better, i don't really care what people do in their personal lives, i just take the good from them and move on
@Person OfColor no you decide for yourself, someone taking pain killers is his personal issue, not mine
@@MESteve85 what are you talking about?
That's Great! Congrats! 😊
JP's like - Ok this is nice for a change- my brain can rest.
I needed to hear this
“When a society is corrupt, the powerful rule. When a society isn’t corrupt, the great have authority.” -JBP dropping truth bombs 💣
Cof cof Hitler cof cof
that doesn't make ant sense but ok
What's the difference? 🤣
@Gibby Gibson RIGTTT meritocracy aint even a real thing
But isn’t society corrupt? I mean, look at the people in power. What do they do? They serve themselves before others. That is corruption. That is power taking the lead over competency.
The look of excitement he gets when Peterson helps him come to a realization is awesome. I wish to see more conversations like this between the truly wise and those truly hungry for wisdom.
Indeed :) it is great to see that hunger for knowledge and joy over having it
same, I totally loved seeing that too. Its happened for me at the same time too and felt even better seeing it on someone else too.
I loved seeing Andrew's face just completely light up whenever Jordan made a point.
The dynamic between these two guys is great
Studying Napoleon Hill and Carnigies writings about the myth of scarcity and how to gain wealth and success they make this distinction actually made me realize greatness is not the enemy.
Dr. Peterson is spot on about those who mimic greatness to get power with no ethics or responsibility. If you believe greatness is the enemy, you yourself subconsciously will keep yourself from being successful because you assume greatness is the same as abuse of power. Leads to the manifestation of the belief that if you are a good person, you can't be successful or wealthy because only bad people and cheaters are.
"When a society is corrupt the powerfull rule but when a society isn't corrupt the great have authority"
- Jordan Peterson, 2021
"Good got to be synonymous with harmless" .... "When you confuse confidence with power then you punish confidence" ..... Those are some great statements.
Competence ****
People have such a one dimensional perspective on beta vs alpha. As if intelligence isn't an alpha attribute which is something Michael Cera definitely has.
True, stature is wat to heavily represented. People now would be calling napoleon a beta.
I love how he stops himself from interrupting when JBP is about to continue lol
Peterson's smile made my day. It's nice to see him smile, with all that he's done for people through his work.
I thought the same thing when he started laughing at the beginning. It’s a relief to see.
He is having a conversation he enjoys
To be able to teach people about themselves without telling them something about themselves until they've processed it and verbalized it themselves. Wtffff 💯
That’s why we are grasshoppers. A wise man knows he knows nothing. We are always grasshoppers but can teach new grasshoppers. The Most High is the Master. We learn from Him and try to practice it.
He’s an drug addicted incel
@@gideon1199 what be an incel and who is?
@@gideon1199 how perfect are you?
@@gideon1199 nothing beats the stupidity of people like you, instead of dealing with the argument you insult the person. Forgetting that he went to rehab and got better
I love how much just knocking each other out with laughter 😂😂
great clicp great interview you really pushed it to a limit where it got so interesting