Your channel just came up on my feed and I love it! Your content and delivery is fantastic; I am “one of your people” 😆! I’m still testing my FX30 at the moment, working out which settings I like, but this video makes me want to try out 10-bit. I’m still at the bottom of a massive learning curve right now.
Great video explaining the difference! I ended up reshooting my short film, because it's quite dark, and V-Log just didn't work for that, so the reshoot was done in the regular "flat" profile that isn't Log, and that worked fine, as long as I didn't expect to push the colours too much in post. A few cut away shots are still the original log shots, because we didn't have time to reshoot those, and it shows when viewed on a big screen. I quite like the challenge of getting things right in camera, and just tweaking things a little in post. And 8 bit is also easier if you only have a laptop for editing.
Great video, here’s a subscribe. I used to see all those youtubers shooting Log and thought that’s what I needed to do. I was so glad after I eliminated 10 bit from my process - smaller filesizes, actually opens in free version of Resolve, and Panasonic’s natural color profile actually looks great. This has brought back joy in making youtube video since I’m more productive. If I’m filming a movie, I of course do it in Log, but the realization of getting things right in camera was my greatest breakthrough last year.
Great Explanation, I use a combination of 10 bit 4.2.2 from an A7SIII and 8 bit 4.2.0 from an RX100 VII. I use S-Log 3 on both and over expose on the multi meter to between 1.7 and 2.0 stops over. This means instead of going up and out in grading, I'm going down and in if that makes sense. The result of which is a very consistent and similar result from both cameras. For this reason I often use both camera types together on the same shoot. So far of all the paid client work I have done, nobody has been able to tell the difference. Matt Whois Matt Johnson does a fantastic video on exposing S-Log 3 correctly, which is by and large the method I follow, Ta, Peter.
@@storybabble I don't get it.. That 422 420 444 thing is another mystery so far. If we have a M50 or something that can only get 8Bit 420 and we only want to put our stuff on TH-cam, is it enough? I'm shooting from a properly illuminated 'home studio'.
SO GLAD I found your channel. I’ve been watching countless photo/video channels on TH-cam for years now, and I must say your videos are up there with the best of them. Your videos are entertaining and informative, well-timed and satisfying. I can’t praise you enough. Many wishes for success. Thank you! P.S. Being a (not so good) content creator myself, I realize how how much work can go into making a decent video, and how disheartening it can be to have only a few dozen views after a few months since published. But please don’t be discouraged. You have something really good here, and you definitely have access to that special sauce. I hope you’ll have the patience to hang in there. Maybe try some of those channel promotion techniques that are popular to get the momentum you need to get going, and I assure you from that point on this channel will be unstoppable. Just my 2 cents. You have a beautiful family and you are very talented my friend. Your an asset to the community. I hope my comment doesn’t seem creepy or offensive or inappropriate . . . it’s beyond late-night as I write this, and I want to share my thoughts. Cheers.
Thanks so much for the high praise. It really means a lot. As you know, TH-cam creation can be a little lonely and make you question everything. Kind words like this really do mean a lot. Thanks.
I think the opposite, you should use SLog on 8 bit codecs. Using SLog2 is the key. 0th rule - choose the best bitrate available in your framerate/resolution 1st rule - expose to the right using zebras at 100+ setting (expose as high as you can but don't clip something important) 2nd rule - use PP7 set to default (SLog2 SGamut). If you expect highly saturated result in your final image, just add +1 saturation in the picture profile and that's it. 3rd rule - adjust and set your white balance in camera But you should avoid using SLog2 on 8 bits in two situations: 1) Green screen 2) really low contrast and neutral washed colors in your scene (fog or smoke, white or grey plain walls etc) Also you can fix your artifacts using a little bit of noise reduction or even conventional blur on your color subchannels. And in color grading when you correct your white balance don't forget to clean your blacks correcting your black balance too
Awesome channel… Just subscribed and watched some good videos… and will watch the others later… But in relation to this video, which profile would be good for ZV-E10 to match afterwards with A7IV Slog3???
That is a great question. I wish I knew. Personally, I use S-Cinetone most of the time and I use settings on my ZV-1 to match. Here is video on that if it helps: th-cam.com/video/-Nh-ulCwJKY/w-d-xo.html
Gastelum here one more time haha. Again with an iPhone 11 Pro Max question. Using Filmic Pro, you can choose to film on Log V2. (I know, I know... it's and iPhone). But my question is, this model shoots 8-bit, but with the information you gave in this video, would you recommend shooting in 1. Normal, 2. FLAT or 3. Log V2 format. I'd also like to color correct and grade what I film. Also learning those steps, so material that would give me "a lot" to experiment with would be appreciated. Thank you!
I have not experimented with log on my iPhone. You’ve asked a great question. To answer it I would need to test that. Great idea for a video. I’ll put it on my list. Thanks.
I am here to hear from people who disagree, the whole of not shooting in S-Log when you have a 8-bit camera is a new take and I want to hear from the folk who disagree as well because I do not agree solely based on the fact that when you shoot in log you capture more detail?
I understand your skepticism, but you only capture more detail in log if the light is such that lightest and darkest parts of the scene are too far apart such that one side or the other is clipped. Otherwise, it doesn’t capture any more detail. In fact, it captures less detail in that situation because it is capturing less color information in the middle, such that the image can suffer more when the image is stretched back to rec 709 because it doesn’t have enough information stored in the middle. So it’s more complicated than it appears.
Mark, great video! I have a question... I am doing my first music video and I got a bunch of B-Roll from Storyblocks that will work perfectly, but when I analyzed all of those files they were all 8-bit 4:2:0. For my footage, my A7SIII was set to S-Cinetone 10 Bit 4:2:2 so the video should be good right out of the gate... I'm not much into color grading. After watching this video and trying to combine 8 and 10 bit; 4:2:0 and 4:2:2, I think my understanding of what you said is that the 8-bit would start to fall apart if I render in 10-bit 4:2:2. In this scenario would I be better off shooting in 8 bit 4:2:0? Thank you
They will match up just fine with your 10 bit videos because the storyblocks clips are already well color graded and you won’t need to adjust them much. Your 10 bit video can be stretched out more, but because you used S-Cinetone you won’t need to stretch them too much either, but you can if you need too. Hope that makes sense. Thanks for commenting.
@@storybabble Thank you, kindly, Mark. I will shoot my footage in 10-bit 4:2:2. In the worst case, I can always reshoot at the 8-bit 4:2:0 to match the Storyblocks 4:2:0. My biggest enemy is time! Thank, again
Most people view things now on grease covered thing that Might be called a phone. They cant tell if the pic was taken with a real DSLR or a Cheeseburger. I gave up on Photography years ago because of this fact.
Your channel just came up on my feed and I love it! Your content and delivery is fantastic; I am “one of your people” 😆! I’m still testing my FX30 at the moment, working out which settings I like, but this video makes me want to try out 10-bit. I’m still at the bottom of a massive learning curve right now.
Welcome aboard!
Great video explaining the difference! I ended up reshooting my short film, because it's quite dark, and V-Log just didn't work for that, so the reshoot was done in the regular "flat" profile that isn't Log, and that worked fine, as long as I didn't expect to push the colours too much in post. A few cut away shots are still the original log shots, because we didn't have time to reshoot those, and it shows when viewed on a big screen. I quite like the challenge of getting things right in camera, and just tweaking things a little in post. And 8 bit is also easier if you only have a laptop for editing.
Thanks for your thanks for your kind words and your insights. Appreciate it so much.
Amazing video! I enjoyed your way of explaining so much 🙏🤗
Glad it was helpful! Thanks.
Great video, here’s a subscribe. I used to see all those youtubers shooting Log and thought that’s what I needed to do. I was so glad after I eliminated 10 bit from my process - smaller filesizes, actually opens in free version of Resolve, and Panasonic’s natural color profile actually looks great. This has brought back joy in making youtube video since I’m more productive. If I’m filming a movie, I of course do it in Log, but the realization of getting things right in camera was my greatest breakthrough last year.
Thanks. Hope it helped.
Hands down, the best explanation I've seen! well done sir!
Wow, thanks!
Underrated video! here's my subscription!
Wow, thanks!
Love your content. Feels like I'm in some kind of film school or art school. :)
Happy to hear that!
Great Explanation, I use a combination of 10 bit 4.2.2 from an A7SIII and 8 bit 4.2.0 from an RX100 VII. I use S-Log 3 on both and over expose on the multi meter to between 1.7 and 2.0 stops over. This means instead of going up and out in grading, I'm going down and in if that makes sense. The result of which is a very consistent and similar result from both cameras. For this reason I often use both camera types together on the same shoot. So far of all the paid client work I have done, nobody has been able to tell the difference. Matt Whois Matt Johnson does a fantastic video on exposing S-Log 3 correctly, which is by and large the method I follow, Ta, Peter.
Thanks for the comment and thanks for the tip. I am always appreciative. New ideas. Thanks.
@@storybabble I don't get it.. That 422 420 444 thing is another mystery so far. If we have a M50 or something that can only get 8Bit 420 and we only want to put our stuff on TH-cam, is it enough? I'm shooting from a properly illuminated 'home studio'.
I rarely subscribe but you are amazing and I need to see more of your videos.
Welcome aboard! Thanks.
good job ! thank you sir ! this helped me very much
Thanks. Appreciate the comment.
Nice video
So nice. Thanks.
SO GLAD I found your channel. I’ve been watching countless photo/video channels on TH-cam for years now, and I must say your videos are up there with the best of them. Your videos are entertaining and informative, well-timed and satisfying. I can’t praise you enough. Many wishes for success. Thank you!
P.S. Being a (not so good) content creator myself, I realize how how much work can go into making a decent video, and how disheartening it can be to have only a few dozen views after a few months since published. But please don’t be discouraged. You have something really good here, and you definitely have access to that special sauce. I hope you’ll have the patience to hang in there. Maybe try some of those channel promotion techniques that are popular to get the momentum you need to get going, and I assure you from that point on this channel will be unstoppable. Just my 2 cents. You have a beautiful family and you are very talented my friend. Your an asset to the community. I hope my comment doesn’t seem creepy or offensive or inappropriate . . . it’s beyond late-night as I write this, and I want to share my thoughts. Cheers.
Thanks so much for the high praise. It really means a lot. As you know, TH-cam creation can be a little lonely and make you question everything. Kind words like this really do mean a lot. Thanks.
@@storybabble heartfelt!
I really like your channel and your approach.
Glad to hear it!
I think the opposite, you should use SLog on 8 bit codecs. Using SLog2 is the key.
0th rule - choose the best bitrate available in your framerate/resolution
1st rule - expose to the right using zebras at 100+ setting (expose as high as you can but don't clip something important)
2nd rule - use PP7 set to default (SLog2 SGamut). If you expect highly saturated result in your final image, just add +1 saturation in the picture profile and that's it.
3rd rule - adjust and set your white balance in camera
But you should avoid using SLog2 on 8 bits in two situations:
1) Green screen
2) really low contrast and neutral washed colors in your scene (fog or smoke, white or grey plain walls etc)
Also you can fix your artifacts using a little bit of noise reduction or even conventional blur on your color subchannels.
And in color grading when you correct your white balance don't forget to clean your blacks correcting your black balance too
Well said. Thank you for your insights.
Awesome channel… Just subscribed and watched some good videos… and will watch the others later…
But in relation to this video, which profile would be good for ZV-E10 to match afterwards with A7IV Slog3???
That is a great question. I wish I knew. Personally, I use S-Cinetone most of the time and I use settings on my ZV-1 to match. Here is video on that if it helps: th-cam.com/video/-Nh-ulCwJKY/w-d-xo.html
Gastelum here one more time haha. Again with an iPhone 11 Pro Max question. Using Filmic Pro, you can choose to film on Log V2. (I know, I know... it's and iPhone). But my question is, this model shoots 8-bit, but with the information you gave in this video, would you recommend shooting in 1. Normal, 2. FLAT or 3. Log V2 format. I'd also like to color correct and grade what I film. Also learning those steps, so material that would give me "a lot" to experiment with would be appreciated. Thank you!
I have not experimented with log on my iPhone. You’ve asked a great question. To answer it I would need to test that. Great idea for a video. I’ll put it on my list. Thanks.
@@storybabble Thank you! I will be ready for when this gets uploaded to your channel!
I am here to hear from people who disagree, the whole of not shooting in S-Log when you have a 8-bit camera is a new take and I want to hear from the folk who disagree as well because I do not agree solely based on the fact that when you shoot in log you capture more detail?
I understand your skepticism, but you only capture more detail in log if the light is such that lightest and darkest parts of the scene are too far apart such that one side or the other is clipped. Otherwise, it doesn’t capture any more detail. In fact, it captures less detail in that situation because it is capturing less color information in the middle, such that the image can suffer more when the image is stretched back to rec 709 because it doesn’t have enough information stored in the middle. So it’s more complicated than it appears.
Mark, great video! I have a question... I am doing my first music video and I got a bunch of B-Roll from Storyblocks that will work perfectly, but when I analyzed all of those files they were all 8-bit 4:2:0. For my footage, my A7SIII was set to S-Cinetone 10 Bit 4:2:2 so the video should be good right out of the gate... I'm not much into color grading. After watching this video and trying to combine 8 and 10 bit; 4:2:0 and 4:2:2, I think my understanding of what you said is that the 8-bit would start to fall apart if I render in 10-bit 4:2:2. In this scenario would I be better off shooting in 8 bit 4:2:0? Thank you
They will match up just fine with your 10 bit videos because the storyblocks clips are already well color graded and you won’t need to adjust them much. Your 10 bit video can be stretched out more, but because you used S-Cinetone you won’t need to stretch them too much either, but you can if you need too. Hope that makes sense. Thanks for commenting.
@@storybabble Thank you, kindly, Mark. I will shoot my footage in 10-bit 4:2:2. In the worst case, I can always reshoot at the 8-bit 4:2:0 to match the Storyblocks 4:2:0. My biggest enemy is time! Thank, again
Explained very well. Are you a teacher? Just curious.
Do you have videos explaining filming techniques?
I’m not a teacher, but I am a lawyer. And I do have a number of videos explaining filming techniques. Thx.
Most people view things now on grease covered thing that Might be called a phone. They cant tell if the pic was taken with a real DSLR or a Cheeseburger. I gave up on Photography years ago because of this fact.
I was actually amazed with how my ZV1 Sony 8bit can actually do at 60mbps. I still use 10 bit when I can thoug.
The ZV1 is a great little camera for the price. But I appreciate 10 bit, especially S-Cinetone.