She’s one of my favorite princes because she doesn’t demand worship, you have to earn her respect. Karliah said it best when she compared Nocturnal to a mother, she’s not one to baby her worshipers because that won’t make you a better thief. What makes you a better thief is trial and error. And, of course, Lady Luck.
If she really wanted to, she could very easily get her artifacts back. I think she finds amusement in the pride of thieves when they steal from her, even though she can get them back so easily. A running joke so to speak. Also, I don't think there is a true darkness in regards to Namira and Nocturnal. They're both valid. Namira encases your body in darkness and decay, while Nocturnal encases your soul to eternal darkness. In my opinion, there isn't just one true darkness, both are valid, depending on who you worship.
@@bulbasaurpokemon3573 Well stealing from nocturnal would be the highest form of worship of her. And if a prince wants their artifact back they can recall it at any moment (through history this tends to be in a persons moment of need)
I wonder what connection might exist between Azura and Nocturnal. Nocturnal has, among her titles, this one: 'Daughter of the Twilight.' Azura is the Daedric Prince of Dawn and Dusk. Twilight is *her* sphere. The term comes up repeatedly in the lore about her. One can only approach her shrine in the twilight. Azura has a funny idea about fate. It is foretold but it is not unchangeable. In fact, she herself struggles and plots to change its course. She is most unlike the Greek Morai - Chlotho the spinner of threads, Lachesis who cuts them, and Atropos the Inflexible. There is no avoiding the Greek Fates, but Azura operates quite differently. She *influences.* And when she is displeased at what mortals do, she bides her time and works behind the scenes, plotting schemes with fateful - but uncertain - conclusions. If she gets the result she wants, as when the Nereverine ended Dagoth Ur and the Trinity gods, all of whom disobeyed her, she is pleased. Pleasure in an outcome isn't even possible if it is set in advance. One might argue that Azura *needs* Nocturnal. Nocturnal injects luck, both good and bad, into Mundus. Nocturnal shakes things up, adds randomness, prevents certainty. And she operates within the Twilight - which is Azura's sphere. We don't often hear tales of the Daedric Princes reproducing, producing sons or daughters, but I think there's a case to be made that Nocturnal is indeed the daughter of Azura. (It's impossible to guess if Azura would need a mate to create a daughter, or not.) Jyggalag (order) and Hermaeus Mora (knowledge, fate), if they had their way, would lock down everything into complete stasis, making all things knowable, past, present and future. (Not to mention, drained of all vitality. Dead.) Azura opposes them. Nocturnal is Azura's ally in this contest of wills. To judge from the history of Mundus, they're on a winning streak.
Ur dra (first something) could also refer to something in the creation tale. The original god of the mono myth spawned a god whenever he did anything.. one thing he did was create a mystery to solve
Worshiping nocturnal is business and in this business you don't ask questions, that's why you can't understand her, "it's none of your business, you want the luck or what?"
With Daedra being a title of exclusion, meaning all who are not aedra are there for Daedra nocturnal is technically a Daedra. But in most aspects we see she acts nothing like her other kin and most likely even sees herself as separate from them
I find weird for vampires not to worship her, I mean, they are all about avoiding attention and hiding in the darkness. I'm surprised that the bloodsuckers don't all flock to "worship" her, at least in the hope of not ending up in Coldharbour when they die.
MMOs are iffy in terms of canon, because it can fuck so many things up in terms of timelines, and character storylines, simply because there are so many ways to actually play an MMO quest.
Druidball they made it canon anyway, because f*ck you thats why. Seriously, I hoped it was more of a vague recollection of stories made up because they lost actual records, but now mortals can apparently punk Daedric princes... like, you beat three of them...
She betrayed 2 other daedric princes. Murddered all of their cults, made a bitch that you tried to save *in a very painfuly long questline if I may add* betray you. Killed the psijic master and attempted to become infinite. The treat was so big you had to align with 3 daedric princess, a guild and Sotha Sil. Misunderstood is a think a bit of an understatement.
A question for RP purposes: Is there any reason that an honorable character like a sword singer to complete the thieves guild quest line? I want to get the Nightingale armor. I had considered imagining him having lost his way but then finding himself again after completing that quest line. That way he could be honorable but still have that experience.
11:30... for if she 'were'. 'If' makes the topic under discussion a hypothetical, and a hypothetical about an individual (female?) - a third person singular, requires 'were' not 'was'. Think of 'What Would Brian Boitano Do' from the film South Park: Bigger, Longer & Uncut. In its first sentence it uses 'was' where 'were' was needed, but later redeems itself somewhat by properly iterating 'were' in a hypothetical.
The idea of a pact with Noc Noc sounds interesting, until the undetermined time of servitude at the Sepulcre, posteriorly, becoming a useless shadow. The Dread Father's posthmous proposal is a lot better. To be enshrouded in The Void, conscient, with the chance to return and do what got you there, first and foremost, is quite good. Conditional immortality. Boethiah is also an alternative. She got me with the: "As you will it, so it shall be", despite being a reference to Crowley (it's a game, so, I'll let it pass). Although, nothing is mentioned about her followers going to her realm, just a "Tablet of Absolute Darkness". If they really go there, certainly, it isn't a pleasant place. Malacath is a solid option, since his after life proposal is quite pleasant, to say the least, but, his strength is questionable. So, in the case of an invasion and a defeat, you're done. Mehrunes Dagon, as far as I know, doesn't have mortal souls in his realm, but, I might be mistaken. We don't know how the Dremora are created, if they're a species like us or are mass fabricated by Dagon, using the mortal souls of his followers. I wouldn't like to end as such, k... However, if you earn his respect and going to his realm is a thing, you might become his champion there. The idea of ordering Dremora Lords forever is free entertainment, I would love it. Theodor Gorlash isn't good enough, if you're not mad enough. Joker level, at minimum. The only paradises in Skyrim are Sovngarde and Azura's realm. So, living as a warlord and dying like one is the best option. Azura is weird to me, but, if you wanna live like a decent commoner and end up in a beautiful place, she is the option. I believe that to really go to The Void, you must be assassinated by a Dark Brotherhood member. Otherwise, no Void, which is good. Being the Listener or not, I want Sovngarde.
Vaermina is completely unknown to me, Namira too, Sanguine is for the ultimate fornicators (not me), Clavivi doesn't seem to offer anything, Hircine is good, if you enjoy being an oversized dog, Molag Bal NEVER. Last, but not least: Hermaeus Mora (I don't know any other princes). He is, without question, my favorite prince. Unfortunately, as far as I know, his Apocrypha can't be accessed by the dead, and that's his only ream, so far. If I had to choose between Dagon and the good ol' Herma Mora, I would choose Hermaeus, obviously. It doesn't look like (sarcasm), but, I enjoy communicating, asking questions, gathering knowledge and becoming powerful, like he does. The idea of spending the eternity talking to The Guardian of The Unseen and Knower of The Unknown is quite delightful. Hermaeus Mora has an orgasm inducing voice, which is something very important, and is extremely polite, educated to his core, which is essential. So, endless years of knowledge at his Apocrypha + his knowledge is like an eternity of amusement. Knowledge that certainly contains the secret of immortality, resurrection, which is priceless. Anyway, I don't need to concern myself with that, thanks to Molag Bal and Harkon, k... Harkon's philosophy is mine, as well, concerning TIME. Time is the undefeatable boss of every rational mortal. Weakness is a sin, being powerful is a must, overcoming time is impossible. Gracefully, The Omnipotent exists. If it wasn't for Him, I would be doomed.
Watching this cause I wanted to find out more about the nightingales and nocturnals. I really like nocturnal and the nighgales but I cant stand the thieves guild.I wish they a shadows guild. The thieves guild don't even care about nocturnal. In the shadows guild I could see a guild who does their own thing runs and walks in shadows.they steal but for them selves not for a guild.the shadows guild would be more like a worship family for nocturnal but not same way like the priests and priestess like in the temples. The shadows guild wouldn't be called a guild but they still do own thing. They remain in shadows instead of trying to be known like the thieves guild and try to control people.The shadows guild I think it would if they do own thing where they help others but also steal others as well but steal from the underworld like if the beings in the underworld were planning things in the human world we can steal from them to mess their plains up.I cant stand thieves guild they more like high class bandits that dont kill th er or enemies.I do not like how they talk to everyone.
I guess that if my character would die the Daedra will fight who get the soul of my Darkelf dont wonder i call her darkelf autocorrect made it hart to name it correctly
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“Oh, who am I? I’m the distraction.” What a hilarious and defiant line to say as a daedric prince summons shadows to swallow you up while your friend steals one of her artifacts.
yes she's a distraction,she's a naked girl next to a nother girl wearing sexy stuff both surrounded by a group of sexy naked girls. that's a distraction if I've ever seen one.
Well, if you've the luck and skill and aptitude to steal from a Daedric Prince, perhaps you deserve the spoils you've acquired. Besides, I feel like Nocturnal simply allows mortals to just "borrow" her artefacts. She can always recover them when the individual who stole or otherwise obtained them dies. But with the Skeleton Key's theft in TES5, I believe that was a case in which Nocturnal didn't approve of the theft. She knew what kind of person Mercer was and knew it shouldn't be in his hands.
I always though it was her way of testing if you're worthy of her artifact. Normally in order to acquire an artifact from a deadric prince one must pass whatever task they give you. And for the most part it usually corresponds to said deadras sphere. So considering Nocturnals sphere and associations it would make sense. The way I see it each deadra has a champion. And each different deadra looks for different qualities in their champion. In order to be Nocturnals champion/nightingale you not only need to have exceptional skill as a thief, but you also need to have a certain degree of ballsines and ambition. So what better way to pick a candidate then to wait for someone skilled and ballsy enough to steal from Nocturnal herself. That's why Mercer wasn't worthy of the skeleton key. He had skill and ambition. But what he did was absolutely cowardly.
I think she just really doesn't care enough. She said it herself "a champion returns the key again." It was stolen before, and it will be stolen again.
I believe the reason why she despised Mercer taking the key was actually because he broke the contract. Thievery is Thievery, but you don't break a contract, you don't go back on your deals. Had another Nightingale stolen a different artifact, I believe she would have gotten a kick out of it.
I think it one of two things could happen (this is my opinion only): 1 - It would probably cause a chain reaction that would restart the "entity" of Nocturnal. Kinda like a reboot for the Deadric Prince and her realm. The way this would work would be a process similar to Sheogorath and The Hero of Kvatch, a "mantling". Because it's impossible to know Nocturnal as only Nocturnal knows her own mysteries, then the one who used the key, would become the new Nocturnal. 2 - The mortal who used the key would explode with the knowledge of every single of nocturnal's secrets, unable to deal with so much information.
@@bernardosantiago6873 That'd honestly be an interesting way to mantle Nocturnal. I wonder how the other Daedric Princes could be mantled. We know that to become Sheogorath, you need to overcome Jyggalg, his opposite. So how do you become Molag Bal, Mehrunes Dagon, or Clavicus Vile?
@@DoubleBoost23 hmm that's an interesting question.. I like to think it would be interesting for their spheres of influence to have a say in the mantling process.
Nocturnal: When you die your soul will wander the sepulcher for eternity Me who is a dragonborn, vampire, and already has sold my soul to like 50 other gods and demons: yeah sure ok
Tbh she could steal your soul from whomever you chose to give it to anyways. She’s got the key that literally opens portals to other planes of oblivion/afterlife
When you die, you turn into Aka oversoul and give them all a finger. Yeah, even Mora can't have your soul technically and can only bound dragonborns physically, so i doubt they can claim your soul at all.
Let's go over it Hircine gets it if you do companions Hermes mora gets it if you do dragonborn Nocturnal gets it if you do the thieves build Molag bal gets your soul if you become a vampire though I'm not sure about that one. Your declared a mortal incarnation of a nordic god. So its iffy if you can even sell your soul. And you can become champion of 12 other princes as well as a servant of sithis. That's gonna be one hell of a debate of ownership.
Step 1: Join the Thieves Guild Step 2: Become a Nightingale Step 3: Steal the skeleton key Step 4: Use the key to unlock your potential to achieve chim Step 5: Profit
One thing to keep in mind is that we probably don't hear of the unsuccesfull attempts to steal her artifacts, so the thieves who steal her artifacts are probably the greatest of the great.
Fudgemuppet you make my day. I love Nocturnal as she is like Nyx from Greek myth and she's ever darkness not hateful. Not loving. Just there true and pure in how you understand it
I think she's more of a mix of Mother Isis "matron Goddess of theives" and The Morrigan, Goddess of many things, but her name means Phantom Queen, which is a lot like Nocturnal Aura.
I don't think the Ebonmere is talked about enough. It's a portal to Oblivion. Not an illusion, not door for spirits only. It is straight up an Oblivion gate that Nocturnal, in her true form, passes through. The existence of this portal is extremely interesting
@@pao9789 It is 100% a direct passage to Oblivion though. There is no reason why Nocturnal could not pass through it and naturally she would keep this very hidden from any princes wishing to invade through it
@@pao9789 If this was simply another Oblivion Gate subject to the same rules, it wouldn't be as special as it's made out to be. There are plenty of ways to travel to Oblivion but the Ebonmere is held in very high regard and is extremely ancient. It has a whole temple and is the place where Nocturnal chooses and blesses her most powerful, and only, champions
I remember the first time I did the quest, I expected a disembodied voice or a spectral ghost. I was floored when she came through the portal and called me out for wanting a reward. Good times.
Either absorbed by another dragon/dragonborn, goes to sovenguard, is absorbed by AKATOSH. Or more likely goes to mora as he is the only one we serve in canon
@@the_dropbear4392 that's the tricky part, huh. The DB has a number of claims on their soul and if you complete the Companions(Hircine), Thieves Guild(Nocturnal) & Dark Brotherhood(Sithis) quest lines even more deities can put a claim on their soul. Miraak's soul in the end went to Herma Mora so maybe Akatosh doesn't take the DB soul back if they mess with Daedra.
I’ve always imagined Drew the Daedrologist telling all this in a cornerclub in Blacklight, and him putting food on the table is just patrons buying him food so he’ll stop talking for a bit.
Just realized something unrelated but interesting. If TES 6 is in High Rock we may see Castle Volkihar again from the Dawnguard DLC. While speaking to the sailor in Dawnstar he will take the player near there, and it is described as an island near the border to High Rock.
If we do, that would be awesome, maybe see it as another main base for the dawnguard and have it related to a quest, assuming the game would be time wise after the events of Skyrim.
@@dragonborn5832 I wonder now if there is a Dungeon/Castle in Daggerfall that could pass as Volkihar. That game has hundreds of dungeons. But yeah, it would make the most sense if it was a base for the Dawnguard or Vigilants of Stendarr. I could also see it as a ruin with no interior. Just some rubble and walls with items scattered about. A few Easter eggs alluding to the Soul Cairn and vampires perhaps. I'd prefer your idea, but Bethesda has a knack for leaving old locations in states of decay, like Solstheim in a lot of ways. Karstag's castle for example.
@@passerby5735 I'm pretty sure it'll be in Hammerfell though, which is better in my eyes because that was largely the centerpiece of the Great War (and potentially the focus of the second?).
@@andrewstevens3097 will probably be both high rock and hammefell, big desert will allow Bethesda to make more of the map since it's more empty, I want a desert similar to AC origins Egyptian desert
Human brain: Nocturnal is the embodiment of the shadows, the patron of the thieve's guild, and can gift a person with immense luck and fortune, but just as well leave them with nothing should they cross her. Lizard brain: hehe shadow lady hot
I feel that Namira is the embodiment of the dread of the Void, essentially a primal fear of darkness, whereas Nocturnal is darkness for its own sake. Namira requires others to fulfill her sphere, but Nocturnal is darkness that defies comprehension making her perfectly capable of being "fulfilled" before mortal, or even divine, existence
Nocturnal is very similar to Nyx of Greek lore. She represents the Sacred Darkness. The pleasant night that cools the land from the blistering sun, the shadows that protect the weak from the mighty, and most importantly, the things that hide within the darkness.
nocturnal is an awesome spin on the archetypal "Lady Luck," turning her from a saintly figure that blesses people with good karma into the patron of thieves, who thrive off of lucky encounters and the spoils that come of it
sandeman1776 Well what can I say... I'm quite the ladies man... HA!... In truth I often wonder what it would be like to have a partner... The wee mortals have their couplings and some Aedra have as well... Not I though... Not most if any of us Daedra...
Does ESO even count tho? I hated that game. It felt like a crappy spin off of the greatness achieved in Skyrim. Hell, even the Oblivion game was better than ESO
@@geo7803 Its 100% not canon. Its not written by Bethesda, so its not canon. Does that mean if I write a new book of Lord of The Rings, it becomes canon ? Ofc it does not. Same when Zenimax writes Elder Scrolls Online lore, its not canon. Just the expansions alone are full of bullshit lore. Even in the lates one. DRAGONS IN ELSWEYR !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WTF ???
I wish they would've added some secret functionality to the Skeleton Key if you kept in in your inventory during certain quests. Like it could be used to open the portal to Sovngarde or the Soul Cairn, and to open all the puzzle doors (since we see Mercer Frey unlock one of these, iirc). And potentially game-breaking, they could make it open all the locks that normally require a specific key and can't be lockpicked. Even the Dwemer Lock Box in Hermaeus Mora's quest should be opened with the Skeleton Key. All in all, this would really just let you skip portions of quests and wouldn't be the most fun thing if you were meant to keep it, but if you could get a taste of its power before you return it then that would be really cool.
I really like her ^^ and the see of perverts in the comments doesn’t surprise me😑 i won’t how their mothers would react if they were to read what that shit lol
“That’s everything there is to know about the Daedric Prince you can’t possibly know.” So in essence, a fools errand. “I have no beliefs, but I believe you’re a walking contradiction!”
You know, what would be a nice incentive to become a member of the thieves guild / Nightingales: fortify all thieves skills by 5% permanently added to your active effects after you've entered into the Nightingale contract with Nocturnal. These effects would stack with the Thieves stone and Lover's stone effects. You could call it something, like Nocturnal's Touch, or, or, Touched by Shadows! I love the Shadowcloack of Nocturnal power. Pity it only lasts for two minutes.
It's said that the Daedra are are born of padomay's blood, while the aedra are born of a mixture of anu and padomay's blood. In short, all dedric entities represent Padomay in some form, and so do they aedra, to a lesser extent. While Namira may have more in common with Sithis, what Nocturnal's name means is that she was the first of the Daedra to take form, and also symbolizes her, as daedra are nothing more than their sphere of influence allows. For instance, if you were to ask a daedra what Molag Bal's true name is they'd say Stone-fire, which is more or less symbolism for his sphere of influence, but taken in the literal form makes no fucking sense
Merida (ex magna-ge) and Jygglag are very anuic. And malacath was once an aerdra. So thats three anuic Daedra. And in the lore they all came from a mix between Anui-el and Sithis (Anu and Padomay), not the blood just the interplay between Everlasting light/soul of everything and darkness/nothingness
@@the_dropbear4392 while you're correct, you're also incorrect. Each Tamrielic culture explains the birth of the daedra and aedra differently. One such variant is that anu and padomay battled, and the resulting blood formed the Et'Ada, with the Daedra being composed of Anu's blood, and the Aedra a mixture. Of course, Aldmeri history states that the difference between daedra and aedra is whether or not they were ancestors to them, however, the humans and khajiit also refer to the aedra as such, despite their ancestor being Lorkhan/Lorkhaj.
@@mostevilcoral6568 That's because Aedra is a elvish word. Also the cultures that have them physically battling, made it like that so they could understand it better. By personifying Anu and Padomay it made them easier to understand
@@the_dropbear4392 Yes they're elven words, but regardless men use them, as it symbolizes the "good" gods. The Daedra and Aedra being created from their blood is not metaphorical, Anu and Padomay being polar opposites fought over nirni, and died. Their blood quite literally spawned the Daedric and Aedric entities, just as Boethia's feces spawned Malacath. To better understand, I'll provide you with this link: elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Anu
@@mostevilcoral6568 I wouldn't trust that books, we don't know who wrote it. Also it has several things wrong. Time didn't exist until AKA formed, When Anu and Padomay first met time didn't exist. It also says they met in the void which is wrong, Sithis is the void and Sithis and Anui-el exist inside the interplay between Anu and Padomay (Stasis and Change). Also it says Anu fled to the Sun, which didn't exist until Magnus tore a whole in reality.
I really have to hand it to the creators behind Fudge Muppet. The way you tell a story that isn’t your own is a talent and I mean this sincerely; it’s easy to embellish facts and push the envelope of what facts can be said about a Prince who specializes in being unidentifiable and yet you use the right words and pacing and plotting to make the tale as comprehensible and as factual as possible. Thank you, I just finished my Thieves Guild quest line (not the first time, but it’s been literally years) and I enjoyed hearing about the Daedric Prince I just pledged my character’s life to. I just wonder who’s going to get my services... Hircine? Namira? Malacath (I’m an orc)? Nocturnal? Molag Bal? Who knows ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ maybe it’ll be fuckin Talos lol
"The Skeleton Key can unlock not only any physical lock but ethereal and metaphysical locks, portals, etc. And it cannot be broken by known means." So, it's basically a keyblade in all aspects expect dispelling darkness and being used as literal weapon? I'm pretty sure the parallel between them is completely unrelated but is funny how similar they are.
Sorry for spoiling the mood, but amount of misconceptions you've made is almost offending. "Ur-Dra" doesn't mean "First Darkness" or "Original Daedra". It should be translated as "First/Supreme Ancestor". Now quick lesson of Ayleidoon. Ur is morphene defining primacy. Adamantine Tower, first and most important Tower, was called Ur Tower. Voryn Dagoth, head of fallen House Dagoth, was better know as Dagoth Ur. And for Dra... as we know "Daedra" mean "Not Our Ancestors", while "Aedra" mean "Our Ancestors". So "D-" is equal to "non-". "Ae" is used in loretext with multiple meanings, but here it's "our". So for "Dra" only "Ancestor" left. Now why is she called that way? Clearly it's not mortal misconception, therefore, some of well informed individuals caled her that way. It would be psijiic sage Lilatha and living god of knowledge Sotha Sil. Believe me, they know what they are saying. Oh, and Xan is stating that this title is accorded by nearly all of Oblivion Royalty. In fact, that title never was thrown by mortal. It was always connected to something bigger. Also, first persona gave us possible explanation why "Ur-Dra": "The Night Mistress is Ur-dra - perhaps the eldest and most powerful of the Daedric Princes.", which clicks perfectly with Xan's "As the mother of night, she claims to be an aspect of the original Void itself, (...)". Maybe her domain isn't synonymous with Void itself, but it's derrived directly from it, what makes her one of eldest and most powerful et'Ada. As for Namira, I believe you overinterpreted "sphere of ancient darkness", which was more symbolic than factual. I believe it was derrivered from Khajiit nickname of "Great Darkness", as they called her. And as for it, in context of Maw of Lorkhaj it was more about negative/evil influence than controlling night itself. In fact, none of her words or actions hinted us into thinking she have power over darkness. She's all about decay and that's ain't old domain. In fact it was formed only after Lorkhan's demise. So it makes her one of the youngest Princes. Also decay doesn't lead to nothingness. It's more of reusing physical elements in cycle of life and death. As for worshipping Nocturnal, here you're also wrong. Xan mentioned prayers. In ESO Hagravens and Tundilwen were clearly her cultist. What's left? Skeleton Key? Opening metaphysical locks isn't unimaginable. In fact, we saw great example of that power. In CWC Nocturnal almost dettached Sotha Sil from his Realm with it.
The only prince who actually seems to be similar to the mortals of tamirel...mmm that makes me think that she is probably the only daedric prince who isn't entirely evil, but is merely an adera who didn't involve herself with the creation of mundus.
You are right about that... after all the term Deadra is elven for "Not our ancestors". Therefore it does not mean a deadra is necessarily evil. Also Meridia was once one of the magnugui
Lukas Osterloher Kinda strange how the Daedric Princes who assume (attractive) female mer form aren't entirely bad Meridia even seems good (she shuns defiling the dead)
Everyday i wake up hoping for another fudgemuppet livestream, and every day i go to sleep drenched in sadness. I pray to the nine, yet my prayers were never answered. So, i resorted to daedric rituals, still, nothing. I then started a cult around the muppets, we worship them day and night. Center of the shrine is Drew's beautiful face, and below it, a list of all his underrated jokes. To the left is scott, and a single strand of his foxxy hair. The the right is michael, and a list of all the sick burns he gave drew. The Father (Scott), The Son (Michael), and the Holy Spirit (Drew). Im hoping my praising will manifest into the energy they need to stream again....
If the Thieves Guild most skilled members were Nocturnals, daedra worshippers and Champions of Daedra; then wouldn’t the Vigil of Stendarr want to remove the thieves guild to stop people who would be help Nocturnal?
Yes we'll it's not the same kind of worship. So it's harder to find. Plus the fact is the nightingales were legends even in the guild until the theives guild plot line. And the specifics of that were kept between a very small group of people. So they would want the nightingales yes. But it would take finding out about them first
The incapability to truly know and understand Nocturnal, is what makes her so beautiful. Woe to those within the series and lore, who try and take that away from this utterly captivating Daedric Prince. And honor and glory to those, like the Nightingales, that try to defend that.
I believe Nocturnal doesn’t care for worshipers. But has a small admiration to people who like her for who she is. Like accepting a person for who they are.
Azura, Meridia, and Nocturnal are my favorite of the Female by choice Daedric Princes. Sanguine and Hircine are my favorite Male by choice Daedric Princes. And Hermaeus Mora is my favorite Formless Daedric Prince.
Normally I find excessive and unnecessarily revealing outfits to be incredibly annoying, but as a lesbian I think I speak for all my sisters when I say that Nocturnal can step on me.
This is all unnecessary speculation. I can tell you what Nocturnal is and invite you to play TESO Summerset. Nocturnal is evil, incredibly powerful and a great blinder. And yes, according to herself, she is the first Daedra and was there even before the lesser princes like Mephala came to be. You are right with your title, that she is misunderstood. That is because she is not that mortal cherishing patrion. She is a wicked and evil goddess and none should worship her. She is not what she seems.
Wouldn´t a hunter profit from Nocturnal´s blessing as well? Decieving the prey, taking thir life, in some sense stealing them from their herd/flock, hidden, even if not necessarily in shadows.
Dro'khar Shadow-Claws - This ones Mistress, she illuminates herself in darkness! To gaze at the night sky is as if this one was to see her naked, as it calms and excites Dro'khars soul. Her shadow is the path that lights Dro'khars way. Whatever she wants this one shelt offer it! This one am forgotten but forever remembered for Dro'khar have stolen Dro'khar, a Nightingale in heart and body. If this one could only steal her heart as she has stolen Dro'khars! To worship her is to deny her existence but to love her will deny this ones own...
She’s one of my favorite princes because she doesn’t demand worship, you have to earn her respect. Karliah said it best when she compared Nocturnal to a mother, she’s not one to baby her worshipers because that won’t make you a better thief. What makes you a better thief is trial and error. And, of course, Lady Luck.
Nope. Mistress Chance. You make your own Luck, Chance's are taken.
@@mjag2834 but she literally makes your luck better
@@bone8352 It couldnt get any worse!!
@@mjag2834 I feel you on that one.
@@bone8352 Lady Luck Vs. Mistress Chance - quickly! Who would win in a fight???
If she really wanted to, she could very easily get her artifacts back. I think she finds amusement in the pride of thieves when they steal from her, even though she can get them back so easily.
A running joke so to speak.
Also, I don't think there is a true darkness in regards to Namira and Nocturnal. They're both valid. Namira encases your body in darkness and decay, while Nocturnal encases your soul to eternal darkness. In my opinion, there isn't just one true darkness, both are valid, depending on who you worship.
Why do some thieves try to steal from a Daedra..?
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Well stealing from nocturnal would be the highest form of worship of her.
And if a prince wants their artifact back they can recall it at any moment (through history this tends to be in a persons moment of need)
Wouldn't the true darkness be Sithis? The littreal oppiste of existance?
Dan R. I believe the darkness of Sithis is the absence of life.
Hence the trueist and earliest darkness.
Keeping her key is cool and all. But the rush isn't just filling the pockets. It's also picking the lock
I just wanted the key to get into my house when I lost mine.
Nocturnal has one prize treasure that has not been taken yet...and I don't think you'll get the chance on stealing it without her noticing you.
I can sense her in the world if that's even a thing,
it's like all the mystery.
A lot like Lady Luck from Discworld. She may help you on a whim, but as soon as you rely on her you are screwed.
OMG..I had the grey cowl in my dnd playthrough.... the cloak of incognito, awesome
I wonder what connection might exist between Azura and Nocturnal.
Nocturnal has, among her titles, this one: 'Daughter of the Twilight.'
Azura is the Daedric Prince of Dawn and Dusk. Twilight is *her* sphere. The term comes up repeatedly in the lore about her. One can only approach her shrine in the twilight.
Azura has a funny idea about fate. It is foretold but it is not unchangeable. In fact, she herself struggles and plots to change its course. She is most unlike the Greek Morai - Chlotho the spinner of threads, Lachesis who cuts them, and Atropos the Inflexible. There is no avoiding the Greek Fates, but Azura operates quite differently. She *influences.* And when she is displeased at what mortals do, she bides her time and works behind the scenes, plotting schemes with fateful - but uncertain - conclusions. If she gets the result she wants, as when the Nereverine ended Dagoth Ur and the Trinity gods, all of whom disobeyed her, she is pleased.
Pleasure in an outcome isn't even possible if it is set in advance.
One might argue that Azura *needs* Nocturnal. Nocturnal injects luck, both good and bad, into Mundus. Nocturnal shakes things up, adds randomness, prevents certainty. And she operates within the Twilight - which is Azura's sphere.
We don't often hear tales of the Daedric Princes reproducing, producing sons or daughters, but I think there's a case to be made that Nocturnal is indeed the daughter of Azura. (It's impossible to guess if Azura would need a mate to create a daughter, or not.)
Jyggalag (order) and Hermaeus Mora (knowledge, fate), if they had their way, would lock down everything into complete stasis, making all things knowable, past, present and future. (Not to mention, drained of all vitality. Dead.) Azura opposes them. Nocturnal is Azura's ally in this contest of wills. To judge from the history of Mundus, they're on a winning streak.
Ah, Karliah. I was wondering when I'd hear from you again. Lose something did we
Daedric prince of bussin it down for $2
Ur dra (first something) could also refer to something in the creation tale. The original god of the mono myth spawned a god whenever he did anything.. one thing he did was create a mystery to solve
Worshiping nocturnal is business and in this business you don't ask questions, that's why you can't understand her, "it's none of your business, you want the luck or what?"
Nocturnal the daedric prince of "HEY, MY EYES ARE UP HERE"
She kinda reminds me of Morrigan, from Celtics mythology
With Daedra being a title of exclusion, meaning all who are not aedra are there for Daedra nocturnal is technically a Daedra. But in most aspects we see she acts nothing like her other kin and most likely even sees herself as separate from them
See is similar to both Azura and Narmina
I find weird for vampires not to worship her, I mean, they are all about avoiding attention and hiding in the darkness. I'm surprised that the bloodsuckers don't all flock to "worship" her, at least in the hope of not ending up in Coldharbour when they die.
Luck is a capricious mistress
Reads title... mkay.
Thinks about eso summerset, wich is cannon now.
Nope, defenitely evil.
MMOs are iffy in terms of canon, because it can fuck so many things up in terms of timelines, and character storylines, simply because there are so many ways to actually play an MMO quest.
Yea Im with you. This bitch tried to become infinite, and yes, eso is 100% canon. Thats just a fact.
Druidball they made it canon anyway, because f*ck you thats why. Seriously, I hoped it was more of a vague recollection of stories made up because they lost actual records, but now mortals can apparently punk Daedric princes... like, you beat three of them...
Keven Blackworks Don’t worry, I’m just misunderstood... now how do I destroy EVERYTHING and become infinite...
She betrayed 2 other daedric princes. Murddered all of their cults, made a bitch that you tried to save *in a very painfuly long questline if I may add* betray you. Killed the psijic master and attempted to become infinite. The treat was so big you had to align with 3 daedric princess, a guild and Sotha Sil. Misunderstood is a think a bit of an understatement.
A question for RP purposes: Is there any reason that an honorable character like a sword singer to complete the thieves guild quest line? I want to get the Nightingale armor. I had considered imagining him having lost his way but then finding himself again after completing that quest line. That way he could be honorable but still have that experience.
What do Sword Singers do?
Elder scrolls. Been left thinking since 1986
11:30... for if she 'were'.
'If' makes the topic under discussion a hypothetical, and a hypothetical about an individual (female?) - a third person singular, requires 'were' not 'was'.
Think of 'What Would Brian Boitano Do' from the film South Park: Bigger, Longer & Uncut. In its first sentence it uses 'was' where 'were' was needed, but later redeems itself somewhat by properly iterating 'were' in a hypothetical.
Jyggylag?
InfamousVs Gaming the deadric prince of order?
@@vexile12 yes
The idea of a pact with Noc Noc sounds interesting, until the undetermined time of servitude at the Sepulcre, posteriorly, becoming a useless shadow.
The Dread Father's posthmous proposal is a lot better.
To be enshrouded in The Void, conscient, with the chance to return and do what got you there, first and foremost, is quite good. Conditional immortality.
Boethiah is also an alternative. She got me with the: "As you will it, so it shall be", despite being a reference to Crowley (it's a game, so, I'll let it pass).
Although, nothing is mentioned about her followers going to her realm, just a "Tablet of Absolute Darkness".
If they really go there, certainly, it isn't a pleasant place.
Malacath is a solid option, since his after life proposal is quite pleasant, to say the least, but, his strength is questionable.
So, in the case of an invasion and a defeat, you're done.
Mehrunes Dagon, as far as I know, doesn't have mortal souls in his realm, but, I might be mistaken.
We don't know how the Dremora are created, if they're a species like us or are mass fabricated by Dagon, using the mortal souls of his followers.
I wouldn't like to end as such, k... However, if you earn his respect and going to his realm is a thing, you might become his champion there.
The idea of ordering Dremora Lords forever is free entertainment, I would love it.
Theodor Gorlash isn't good enough, if you're not mad enough. Joker level, at minimum.
The only paradises in Skyrim are Sovngarde and Azura's realm. So, living as a warlord and dying like one is the best option.
Azura is weird to me, but, if you wanna live like a decent commoner and end up in a beautiful place, she is the option.
I believe that to really go to The Void, you must be assassinated by a Dark Brotherhood member. Otherwise, no Void, which is good. Being the Listener or not, I want Sovngarde.
Vaermina is completely unknown to me, Namira too, Sanguine is for the ultimate fornicators (not me), Clavivi doesn't seem to offer anything, Hircine is good, if you enjoy being an oversized dog, Molag Bal NEVER. Last, but not least: Hermaeus Mora (I don't know any other princes).
He is, without question, my favorite prince. Unfortunately, as far as I know, his Apocrypha can't be accessed by the dead, and that's his only ream, so far.
If I had to choose between Dagon and the good ol' Herma Mora, I would choose Hermaeus, obviously.
It doesn't look like (sarcasm), but, I enjoy communicating, asking questions, gathering knowledge and becoming powerful, like he does.
The idea of spending the eternity talking to The Guardian of The Unseen and Knower of The Unknown is quite delightful.
Hermaeus Mora has an orgasm inducing voice, which is something very important, and is extremely polite, educated to his core, which is essential.
So, endless years of knowledge at his Apocrypha + his knowledge is like an eternity of amusement. Knowledge that certainly contains the secret of immortality, resurrection, which is priceless.
Anyway, I don't need to concern myself with that, thanks to Molag Bal and Harkon, k...
Harkon's philosophy is mine, as well, concerning TIME.
Time is the undefeatable boss of every rational mortal. Weakness is a sin, being powerful is a must, overcoming time is impossible.
Gracefully, The Omnipotent exists. If it wasn't for Him, I would be doomed.
Considering starting a Daedric cult IRL XD
"Hey, I've been turned into a cow, can I go home."
Watching this cause I wanted to find out more about the nightingales and nocturnals. I really like nocturnal and the nighgales but I cant stand the thieves guild.I wish they a shadows guild. The thieves guild don't even care about nocturnal. In the shadows guild I could see a guild who does their own thing runs and walks in shadows.they steal but for them selves not for a guild.the shadows guild would be more like a worship family for nocturnal but not same way like the priests and priestess like in the temples. The shadows guild wouldn't be called a guild but they still do own thing. They remain in shadows instead of trying to be known like the thieves guild and try to control people.The shadows guild I think it would if they do own thing where they help others but also steal others as well but steal from the underworld like if the beings in the underworld were planning things in the human world we can steal from them to mess their plains up.I cant stand thieves guild they more like high class bandits that dont kill th er or enemies.I do not like how they talk to everyone.
I guess that if my character would die the Daedra will fight who get the soul of my Darkelf dont wonder i call her darkelf autocorrect made it hart to name it correctly
I have over 3000 hrs of play in this game You , ESO, EPIC NATE cover all the places and things to do and see, mods on the pc. side make this game the very best , other than Witcher 3 that,s my favorite,these two games are the best out there right now.
Isn't Nocturnal female (or at least presented that way?) That would make her a princess. Prince is pretty specifically male.
Daedra have no gender, regardless how they appear. Boethiah likes to appear as one or the other, depending on mood. They all go by princes.
hide in her folds in her darkness hehehe
To be fair. When she first appears in skyrim, she makes a fine fecking entrance, one of the coolest animations in the entire game.
Oh yeah, right up there with the Alduin death animation
Zane Billings during the Thieves guild quest line
So HOT
Hello sir
I'm gay, but I would still follow Nocturnal into the Evergloam.
“Oh, who am I? I’m the distraction.” What a hilarious and defiant line to say as a daedric prince summons shadows to swallow you up while your friend steals one of her artifacts.
Joshua Slowpoke I reread that book every time I find it, I can really admire both the thieves in it.
yes she's a distraction,she's a naked girl next to a nother girl wearing sexy stuff both surrounded by a group of sexy naked girls.
that's a distraction if I've ever seen one.
What book is this
@@lulhighman3428 Lusty Argonian
@@lulhighman3428 One year later in case you or anyone else is still looking for it: Purloined Shadows by Waughin Jarth.
I believe, that every time someone successfully steals something from Nocturnal, she just smiles and says: "perfection".
Well, if you've the luck and skill and aptitude to steal from a Daedric Prince, perhaps you deserve the spoils you've acquired. Besides, I feel like Nocturnal simply allows mortals to just "borrow" her artefacts. She can always recover them when the individual who stole or otherwise obtained them dies. But with the Skeleton Key's theft in TES5, I believe that was a case in which Nocturnal didn't approve of the theft. She knew what kind of person Mercer was and knew it shouldn't be in his hands.
I always though it was her way of testing if you're worthy of her artifact. Normally in order to acquire an artifact from a deadric prince one must pass whatever task they give you. And for the most part it usually corresponds to said deadras sphere. So considering Nocturnals sphere and associations it would make sense. The way I see it each deadra has a champion. And each different deadra looks for different qualities in their champion. In order to be Nocturnals champion/nightingale you not only need to have exceptional skill as a thief, but you also need to have a certain degree of ballsines and ambition. So what better way to pick a candidate then to wait for someone skilled and ballsy enough to steal from Nocturnal herself. That's why Mercer wasn't worthy of the skeleton key. He had skill and ambition. But what he did was absolutely cowardly.
To successfully steal from Nocturnal is the ultimate act of worship and devotion.
I think she just really doesn't care enough. She said it herself "a champion returns the key again." It was stolen before, and it will be stolen again.
I believe the reason why she despised Mercer taking the key was actually because he broke the contract. Thievery is Thievery, but you don't break a contract, you don't go back on your deals. Had another Nightingale stolen a different artifact, I believe she would have gotten a kick out of it.
So if someone stole the Skeleton Key and used it to "unlock" Nocturnal's mysteries, would that be like dividing by zero?
;;$*!;"÷?,××;*!
I think it one of two things could happen (this is my opinion only):
1 - It would probably cause a chain reaction that would restart the "entity" of Nocturnal. Kinda like a reboot for the Deadric Prince and her realm. The way this would work would be a process similar to Sheogorath and The Hero of Kvatch, a "mantling". Because it's impossible to know Nocturnal as only Nocturnal knows her own mysteries, then the one who used the key, would become the new Nocturnal.
2 - The mortal who used the key would explode with the knowledge of every single of nocturnal's secrets, unable to deal with so much information.
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That'd honestly be an interesting way to mantle Nocturnal.
I wonder how the other Daedric Princes could be mantled. We know that to become Sheogorath, you need to overcome Jyggalg, his opposite.
So how do you become Molag Bal, Mehrunes Dagon, or Clavicus Vile?
@@DoubleBoost23 hmm that's an interesting question.. I like to think it would be interesting for their spheres of influence to have a say in the mantling process.
@@DoubleBoost23 I'd rather not think about what one needs to do to mantle Molag Bal. 😬
Nocturnal: When you die your soul will wander the sepulcher for eternity
Me who is a dragonborn, vampire, and already has sold my
soul to like 50 other gods and demons: yeah sure ok
Your gonna start a war that should be fun
Tbh she could steal your soul from whomever you chose to give it to anyways. She’s got the key that literally opens portals to other planes of oblivion/afterlife
@@chaoticnart9922 All of them can steal your soul from one another save Sovengard.
When you die, you turn into Aka oversoul and give them all a finger.
Yeah, even Mora can't have your soul technically and can only bound dragonborns physically, so i doubt they can claim your soul at all.
Let's go over it
Hircine gets it if you do companions
Hermes mora gets it if you do dragonborn
Nocturnal gets it if you do the thieves build
Molag bal gets your soul if you become a vampire though I'm not sure about that one.
Your declared a mortal incarnation of a nordic god. So its iffy if you can even sell your soul.
And you can become champion of 12 other princes as well as a servant of sithis.
That's gonna be one hell of a debate of ownership.
Nocturnal, The Deadric Prince of Cleavage
*H 0 T*
Why I took a few screen shots during the eso summerset quest line
Daedric prince of T H O T
*T H I C C*
"Everything about her was dark and shrouded." (as the video zooms in on her cleavage) ".... er, well almost everything."
Thicc thighs save lives \o/
I'd be an agent of dat ass
I wouldn’t mind getting assfixiated by them as well
Rambling Hyena same
Step 1: Join the Thieves Guild
Step 2: Become a Nightingale
Step 3: Steal the skeleton key
Step 4: Use the key to unlock your potential to achieve chim
Step 5: Profit
Dragonborn already achieve chim. He don`t need that crap.
Just mod and you will have achieved CHIM.
Dark, shrouded and misunderstood.
Sounds *edgy*
Edgier than the Dark Brotherhood
IT'S NOT A PHASE MOM!!!
SASAKE UCHIHA
i know its spelt wrong but you get it right
Daedric lord ----> Edge lord
She's the daedric prince of emos....so....praise Nocturnal?
She has a sexy outfit too tbh.
It makes her seem like a seductress, and yet it may well be foolish to succumb to such temptations. No telling what she'll do.
She looks great w/ mod mods.
No wonder why owls are always *nocturnal* I’d be looking at those *moons* all night too
>summons attractive and shrouded prince
>immediately strips
me too, witch.
*"Night among strangers. Secrets in the dark. Nocturnal is here."*
~N
I thought N was The Nose.
One thing to keep in mind is that we probably don't hear of the unsuccesfull attempts to steal her artifacts, so the thieves who steal her artifacts are probably the greatest of the great.
Well I could accept her if her followers dont steal my sweetrolls.
...or cheese. Thieves can take my 10 coins, but don't they dare touch my cheese.
...(Slowly puts the cheese back into your pocket I just picked...)
I like the realization she shows some chest as a distraction. That's some fine detective work lads
we'll get back to you in a few more years, we have to study the distraction
not all mortals fear the void, the argonians for instance
The dark brotherhood
True. The Argonians don't experience the "Void" like other races do, since they experience a sort of reincarnation through the Hist trees.
Fudgemuppet you make my day.
I love Nocturnal as she is like Nyx from Greek myth and she's ever darkness not hateful. Not loving. Just there true and pure in how you understand it
YO YOU LOOK FAMILIAR
In terms of personality, she reminds me of what The Morrigan from Celtic mythology would act like to me.
I think she's more of a mix of Mother Isis "matron Goddess of theives" and The Morrigan, Goddess of many things, but her name means Phantom Queen, which is a lot like Nocturnal Aura.
@@blazeravenscar me too
Nocturnal can T-pose with the best of 'em
One of the coolest Looking Dadric Prince
Yes cool....
You mean *hottest
Prince or Princess?
Can you have female princes, or are they all unisex and can be whatever they want?
they are all unisex. As beings that are mainly just ideals given forms, they are what they appear to be
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They don't have sex or gender.
They are more like sentient forces than people.
I don't think the Ebonmere is talked about enough. It's a portal to Oblivion. Not an illusion, not door for spirits only. It is straight up an Oblivion gate that Nocturnal, in her true form, passes through. The existence of this portal is extremely interesting
it's probably an avatar rather than her true form, it must take more than just a gate to bring a daedric prince to mundus
@@pao9789 It is 100% a direct passage to Oblivion though. There is no reason why Nocturnal could not pass through it and naturally she would keep this very hidden from any princes wishing to invade through it
@@isaac_aren I mean, the same reason why mehrunes dagon couldn't just pass through any oblivion gate to get to mundus at will
@@pao9789 If this was simply another Oblivion Gate subject to the same rules, it wouldn't be as special as it's made out to be. There are plenty of ways to travel to Oblivion but the Ebonmere is held in very high regard and is extremely ancient. It has a whole temple and is the place where Nocturnal chooses and blesses her most powerful, and only, champions
I remember the first time I did the quest, I expected a disembodied voice or a spectral ghost. I was floored when she came through the portal and called me out for wanting a reward. Good times.
She stole my skeleton key for some stupid power that I don't even use... Ugh.
Honest M'aiq did you unlock last Lockpicking perk yet?
"Your" skeleton key?
Last I checked, it's HER artifact.
*Your* key, huh? Thieves and backstabbers have no need for such implications. Long live Nocturnal.
@@TheJinx1441 finders keepers y'know.
@@justnoob8141 I'd rather give my perks to something that really matters like attacking perks.
Y'all should do a video about who keeps the Dragonborn's soul or where do they go when they die. If you already did link me.
I remember that someone talked about it once. Just forgot which video.
Either absorbed by another dragon/dragonborn, goes to sovenguard, is absorbed by AKATOSH.
Or more likely goes to mora as he is the only one we serve in canon
@@the_dropbear4392 that's the tricky part, huh. The DB has a number of claims on their soul and if you complete the Companions(Hircine), Thieves Guild(Nocturnal) & Dark Brotherhood(Sithis) quest lines even more deities can put a claim on their soul. Miraak's soul in the end went to Herma Mora so maybe Akatosh doesn't take the DB soul back if they mess with Daedra.
@@justin6021 in canon you only to the main quest + dlc main.
So the only question is did we give mora our soul
@@the_dropbear4392 Going off what happened to Miraak I say the DB is in a pickle.
I’ve always imagined Drew the Daedrologist telling all this in a cornerclub in Blacklight, and him putting food on the table is just patrons buying him food so he’ll stop talking for a bit.
Just realized something unrelated but interesting. If TES 6 is in High Rock we may see Castle Volkihar again from the Dawnguard DLC. While speaking to the sailor in Dawnstar he will take the player near there, and it is described as an island near the border to High Rock.
If we do, that would be awesome, maybe see it as another main base for the dawnguard and have it related to a quest, assuming the game would be time wise after the events of Skyrim.
@@dragonborn5832 I wonder now if there is a Dungeon/Castle in Daggerfall that could pass as Volkihar. That game has hundreds of dungeons. But yeah, it would make the most sense if it was a base for the Dawnguard or Vigilants of Stendarr. I could also see it as a ruin with no interior. Just some rubble and walls with items scattered about. A few Easter eggs alluding to the Soul Cairn and vampires perhaps. I'd prefer your idea, but Bethesda has a knack for leaving old locations in states of decay, like Solstheim in a lot of ways. Karstag's castle for example.
@@passerby5735 I'm pretty sure it'll be in Hammerfell though, which is better in my eyes because that was largely the centerpiece of the Great War (and potentially the focus of the second?).
@@andrewstevens3097 will probably be both high rock and hammefell, big desert will allow Bethesda to make more of the map since it's more empty, I want a desert similar to AC origins Egyptian desert
Is his entire series just a dark elf talking to somebody at a cornerclub in Mournhold? Wait wait wait wait, is this narrator Shoddycast’s storyteller?
lold
Human brain: Nocturnal is the embodiment of the shadows, the patron of the thieve's guild, and can gift a person with immense luck and fortune, but just as well leave them with nothing should they cross her.
Lizard brain: hehe shadow lady hot
I feel that Namira is the embodiment of the dread of the Void, essentially a primal fear of darkness, whereas Nocturnal is darkness for its own sake. Namira requires others to fulfill her sphere, but Nocturnal is darkness that defies comprehension making her perfectly capable of being "fulfilled" before mortal, or even divine, existence
Nocturnal is very similar to Nyx of Greek lore. She represents the Sacred Darkness. The pleasant night that cools the land from the blistering sun, the shadows that protect the weak from the mighty, and most importantly, the things that hide within the darkness.
Nocturnal is the best waifu
@@bellepeppermint seranna has nothing on nocturnal
Wrong!
Talos is BEST waifu!
@@heimheim3584 more so a daddy than a wifey but to each their own
I think you mean, Hermaues mora
@@heimheim3584 Now, now children. I think we all know Big Daddy Molag bol is best bae
Named my pet rat Nocturnal and my dog Azura)
Now you need a yellow bird called Chimer and when the dog shits on it, you rename it to Dunmer
nocturnal is an awesome spin on the archetypal "Lady Luck," turning her from a saintly figure that blesses people with good karma into the patron of thieves, who thrive off of lucky encounters and the spoils that come of it
I always click on these videos immediately
I like her and no not because she is scantily clad.
I would've thought Mephala more your speed.
sandeman1776 Well what can I say... I'm quite the ladies man... HA!... In truth I often wonder what it would be like to have a partner... The wee mortals have their couplings and some Aedra have as well... Not I though... Not most if any of us Daedra...
should grab a lady back in cyro being the hero and bet the ladies would been swarming to ya
I read this in sheogorath's voice, makes it ten times as fun
Well, it doesn't hurt.
I just finished saving the world from her a few days ago soooooo yeah not entirely misunderstood
Does ESO even count tho? I hated that game. It felt like a crappy spin off of the greatness achieved in Skyrim. Hell, even the Oblivion game was better than ESO
you may not like it, but it is cannon.
Canon*
canon*
People always mistake the two words ._.
@@geo7803 Its 100% not canon. Its not written by Bethesda, so its not canon.
Does that mean if I write a new book of Lord of The Rings, it becomes canon ? Ofc it does not.
Same when Zenimax writes Elder Scrolls Online lore, its not canon.
Just the expansions alone are full of bullshit lore.
Even in the lates one. DRAGONS IN ELSWEYR !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WTF ???
I wish they would've added some secret functionality to the Skeleton Key if you kept in in your inventory during certain quests. Like it could be used to open the portal to Sovngarde or the Soul Cairn, and to open all the puzzle doors (since we see Mercer Frey unlock one of these, iirc). And potentially game-breaking, they could make it open all the locks that normally require a specific key and can't be lockpicked. Even the Dwemer Lock Box in Hermaeus Mora's quest should be opened with the Skeleton Key. All in all, this would really just let you skip portions of quests and wouldn't be the most fun thing if you were meant to keep it, but if you could get a taste of its power before you return it then that would be really cool.
“To understand Nocturnal is to negate her.”
Damn!!!
You write quite poetically, it really sets the right tone for your vids 👌
Shadows hide us.
I really like her ^^ and the see of perverts in the comments doesn’t surprise me😑 i won’t how their mothers would react if they were to read what that shit lol
Come on if you saw some hot dude with the perfect face and body you would Drool over him
“That’s everything there is to know about the Daedric Prince you can’t possibly know.”
So in essence, a fools errand.
“I have no beliefs, but I believe you’re a walking contradiction!”
my favorite one is when she tried to acquire "infinite power" by corrupting the crystal tower in summerset
You know, what would be a nice incentive to become a member of the thieves guild / Nightingales: fortify all thieves skills by 5% permanently added to your active effects after you've entered into the Nightingale contract with Nocturnal. These effects would stack with the Thieves stone and Lover's stone effects.
You could call it something, like Nocturnal's Touch, or, or, Touched by Shadows!
I love the Shadowcloack of Nocturnal power. Pity it only lasts for two minutes.
Some of his word choices make me think Nocturnal has some sort of connection to Hermaeus Mora, though I couldn't begin to think what that might be.
...Heh...
I see what you did there. 👍
Not a single mention of eso, but it's everything you need to know
I miss being the cringy fanboy smh
It's said that the Daedra are are born of padomay's blood, while the aedra are born of a mixture of anu and padomay's blood. In short, all dedric entities represent Padomay in some form, and so do they aedra, to a lesser extent. While Namira may have more in common with Sithis, what Nocturnal's name means is that she was the first of the Daedra to take form, and also symbolizes her, as daedra are nothing more than their sphere of influence allows. For instance, if you were to ask a daedra what Molag Bal's true name is they'd say Stone-fire, which is more or less symbolism for his sphere of influence, but taken in the literal form makes no fucking sense
Merida (ex magna-ge) and Jygglag are very anuic.
And malacath was once an aerdra.
So thats three anuic Daedra.
And in the lore they all came from a mix between Anui-el and Sithis (Anu and Padomay), not the blood just the interplay between Everlasting light/soul of everything and darkness/nothingness
@@the_dropbear4392 while you're correct, you're also incorrect. Each Tamrielic culture explains the birth of the daedra and aedra differently. One such variant is that anu and padomay battled, and the resulting blood formed the Et'Ada, with the Daedra being composed of Anu's blood, and the Aedra a mixture. Of course, Aldmeri history states that the difference between daedra and aedra is whether or not they were ancestors to them, however, the humans and khajiit also refer to the aedra as such, despite their ancestor being Lorkhan/Lorkhaj.
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That's because Aedra is a elvish word.
Also the cultures that have them physically battling, made it like that so they could understand it better.
By personifying Anu and Padomay it made them easier to understand
@@the_dropbear4392 Yes they're elven words, but regardless men use them, as it symbolizes the "good" gods.
The Daedra and Aedra being created from their blood is not metaphorical, Anu and Padomay being polar opposites fought over nirni, and died. Their blood quite literally spawned the Daedric and Aedric entities, just as Boethia's feces spawned Malacath. To better understand, I'll provide you with this link: elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Anu
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I wouldn't trust that books, we don't know who wrote it.
Also it has several things wrong.
Time didn't exist until AKA formed, When Anu and Padomay first met time didn't exist.
It also says they met in the void which is wrong, Sithis is the void and Sithis and Anui-el exist inside the interplay between Anu and Padomay (Stasis and Change).
Also it says Anu fled to the Sun, which didn't exist until Magnus tore a whole in reality.
I really have to hand it to the creators behind Fudge Muppet. The way you tell a story that isn’t your own is a talent and I mean this sincerely; it’s easy to embellish facts and push the envelope of what facts can be said about a Prince who specializes in being unidentifiable and yet you use the right words and pacing and plotting to make the tale as comprehensible and as factual as possible.
Thank you, I just finished my Thieves Guild quest line (not the first time, but it’s been literally years) and I enjoyed hearing about the Daedric Prince I just pledged my character’s life to.
I just wonder who’s going to get my services... Hircine? Namira? Malacath (I’m an orc)? Nocturnal? Molag Bal? Who knows ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ maybe it’ll be fuckin Talos lol
No one but Akatosh, since dragons belong to him.
What's the opening song?
Iirc, it is from oblivion or morrowind. I can't remember. However, I've went through both of their sound tracks twice. Found nothing
"The Skeleton Key can unlock not only any physical lock but ethereal and metaphysical locks, portals, etc. And it cannot be broken by known means."
So, it's basically a keyblade in all aspects expect dispelling darkness and being used as literal weapon? I'm pretty sure the parallel between them is completely unrelated but is funny how similar they are.
Sorry for spoiling the mood, but amount of misconceptions you've made is almost offending. "Ur-Dra" doesn't mean "First Darkness" or "Original Daedra". It should be translated as "First/Supreme Ancestor".
Now quick lesson of Ayleidoon. Ur is morphene defining primacy. Adamantine Tower, first and most important Tower, was called Ur Tower. Voryn Dagoth, head of fallen House Dagoth, was better know as Dagoth Ur. And for Dra... as we know "Daedra" mean "Not Our Ancestors", while "Aedra" mean "Our Ancestors". So "D-" is equal to "non-". "Ae" is used in loretext with multiple meanings, but here it's "our". So for "Dra" only "Ancestor" left.
Now why is she called that way? Clearly it's not mortal misconception, therefore, some of well informed individuals caled her that way. It would be psijiic sage Lilatha and living god of knowledge Sotha Sil. Believe me, they know what they are saying. Oh, and Xan is stating that this title is accorded by nearly all of Oblivion Royalty. In fact, that title never was thrown by mortal. It was always connected to something bigger.
Also, first persona gave us possible explanation why "Ur-Dra": "The Night Mistress is Ur-dra - perhaps the eldest and most powerful of the Daedric Princes.", which clicks perfectly with Xan's "As the mother of night, she claims to be an aspect of the original Void itself, (...)". Maybe her domain isn't synonymous with Void itself, but it's derrived directly from it, what makes her one of eldest and most powerful et'Ada.
As for Namira, I believe you overinterpreted "sphere of ancient darkness", which was more symbolic than factual. I believe it was derrivered from Khajiit nickname of "Great Darkness", as they called her. And as for it, in context of Maw of Lorkhaj it was more about negative/evil influence than controlling night itself. In fact, none of her words or actions hinted us into thinking she have power over darkness. She's all about decay and that's ain't old domain. In fact it was formed only after Lorkhan's demise. So it makes her one of the youngest Princes. Also decay doesn't lead to nothingness. It's more of reusing physical elements in cycle of life and death.
As for worshipping Nocturnal, here you're also wrong. Xan mentioned prayers. In ESO Hagravens and Tundilwen were clearly her cultist. What's left? Skeleton Key? Opening metaphysical locks isn't unimaginable. In fact, we saw great example of that power. In CWC Nocturnal almost dettached Sotha Sil from his Realm with it.
Always a thief, Always complete Thieves guild quests first then the main quest line.
The only prince who actually seems to be similar to the mortals of tamirel...mmm that makes me think that she is probably the only daedric prince who isn't entirely evil, but is merely an adera who didn't involve herself with the creation of mundus.
I would argue that Azura and Meridia arent entirely evil too.
You are right about that... after all the term Deadra is elven for "Not our ancestors". Therefore it does not mean a deadra is necessarily evil. Also Meridia was once one of the magnugui
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Kinda strange how the Daedric Princes who assume (attractive) female mer form aren't entirely bad
Meridia even seems good (she shuns defiling the dead)
Mmmm well women are often depicted as mother figures who are kind and loving... maybe there is some hinting at that???
Meridia used to be an Aedra after all
Everyday i wake up hoping for another fudgemuppet livestream, and every day i go to sleep drenched in sadness. I pray to the nine, yet my prayers were never answered. So, i resorted to daedric rituals, still, nothing. I then started a cult around the muppets, we worship them day and night. Center of the shrine is Drew's beautiful face, and below it, a list of all his underrated jokes. To the left is scott, and a single strand of his foxxy hair. The the right is michael, and a list of all the sick burns he gave drew. The Father (Scott), The Son (Michael), and the Holy Spirit (Drew). Im hoping my praising will manifest into the energy they need to stream again....
If the Thieves Guild most skilled members were Nocturnals, daedra worshippers and Champions of Daedra; then wouldn’t the Vigil of Stendarr want to remove the thieves guild to stop people who would be help Nocturnal?
Yes we'll it's not the same kind of worship. So it's harder to find. Plus the fact is the nightingales were legends even in the guild until the theives guild plot line. And the specifics of that were kept between a very small group of people. So they would want the nightingales yes. But it would take finding out about them first
The incapability to truly know and understand Nocturnal, is what makes her so beautiful. Woe to those within the series and lore, who try and take that away from this utterly captivating Daedric Prince. And honor and glory to those, like the Nightingales, that try to defend that.
Still no Hircine or proper Meridia video? My two favourites :(
I believe Nocturnal doesn’t care for worshipers. But has a small admiration to people who like her for who she is. Like accepting a person for who they are.
You work so hard at these lore videos man, I'm so glad I found this channel!
*10/10 Sexiest Sculpture*
(apparently this was deleted?)
Azura, Meridia, and Nocturnal are my favorite of the Female by choice Daedric Princes. Sanguine and Hircine are my favorite Male by choice Daedric Princes. And Hermaeus Mora is my favorite Formless Daedric Prince.
Normally I find excessive and unnecessarily revealing outfits to be incredibly annoying, but as a lesbian I think I speak for all my sisters when I say that Nocturnal can step on me.
This is all unnecessary speculation. I can tell you what Nocturnal is and invite you to play TESO Summerset. Nocturnal is evil, incredibly powerful and a great blinder. And yes, according to herself, she is the first Daedra and was there even before the lesser princes like Mephala came to be. You are right with your title, that she is misunderstood. That is because she is not that mortal cherishing patrion. She is a wicked and evil goddess and none should worship her. She is not what she seems.
What did she do in summer set...I've been looking up the info..can't seem to find it
Nice video well done everyone
Wouldn´t a hunter profit from Nocturnal´s blessing as well?
Decieving the prey, taking thir life, in some sense stealing them from their herd/flock, hidden, even if not necessarily in shadows.
Nocturnal is the best waifu :3
Hey, don’t be worried about covering the mysteries of Nocturnal. The information we have about her would never have been leaned if she did not allow.
3,000 views on a fudgemuppet video? Well I'm early
Only 4.8K views by the time I started watching...usually there's 40,000+.
Dro'khar Shadow-Claws - This ones Mistress, she illuminates herself in darkness! To gaze at the night sky is as if this one was to see her naked, as it calms and excites Dro'khars soul. Her shadow is the path that lights Dro'khars way. Whatever she wants this one shelt offer it! This one am forgotten but forever remembered for Dro'khar have stolen Dro'khar, a Nightingale in heart and body. If this one could only steal her heart as she has stolen Dro'khars! To worship her is to deny her existence but to love her will deny this ones own...