As a Adivasi person here are my two cents... 1. Your conversation was between two persons who understand and agree on a topic. Hence a person who disagrees will not understand. 2. You need to focus and elaborate the kind of previleges a common upper caste man benefits from. From my experience UC people are deeply ignorant of their previlege. Thank you for taking up this important topic 🙏
@@SM-tg6mj yes bro.. they don't know they are Superman from other planet🤣🤣🤣 Bdw come to my place I ll show you adivasis having acres of land and enjoying life.. 😂
I can still remember, when I was in class 1, a teacher of mine asked my caste. That lady kept on insisting while I out of part shame and part ignorance tried to give evasive replies. Caste is a disgrace to any society.
I am also from an Unprivileged class , I was poor & now I am a less poor but with education, they hate me because I wear a thread around my body & I put a strange symbol on my head 😆
@@noize2sound Nobody is stopping you to use your education and your capabilities to get the highest paying jobs in India. Most of which are reservation free.
sadly we are very very far away from when the society will get proper insight into what it means 'caste based discrimination' . People will live in hatred but not apply their brains.
Get out of your biases. If indeed you wish to self educate, read what is privilege. REad Ambedkar to start understanding whats havoc privileged classes have been unleashing over centuries. ALso look into your families, relatives, their attitudes, whom they marry whats their network...why? you just begin to scratch the surface by doing so. Good luck and lot of courage.
I'm a privileged class and gave up on my Brahminism and happened to be lucky that my family supported it. More often than not, I get astonished when people talk about meritocracy without acknowledging their privilege! I did my higher education in Chennai and could see first hand how higher reservation (69%) has benefited the state and its people. I guess the only way it can go when intercaste marriage becomes a norm and surname goes away. That was I like the sytem in South where they use their father's or mother's first name as their last name! P.S. My sister married to a SC guy (from her workplace) and was surprised to learn that my religious parents (I'm an atheist) did not have any issue with it and realized how progressive they were. They are not anymore. So, thank you that you two from privileged backgrounds are discussing this issue. I really liked the fact that the doctor spoke about disabling privilege and that's the only way to create an egalitarian society!
You are a best example of Hypocrisy , you people never gave up on Brahminism, your caste consciousness and varna system ideologies will never change, marrying to intercaste lower people is another part of your blue print, there is a history of it whoever, married to Upper caste Brahmin had destroyed so many intellectuals , scholars and our leaders. Caste had already spoiled the society. You said you give up privileged benefits but your whole business surrounded by caste and varna system. You people are only progressive for your own benefits. There will be a never a Good Brahmin.
Sanjay was bang on when he talked about the guilt and anxiety that comes after one from the privileged caste startes to educate themselves about caste and the atrocities committed under its name. Ever since I've read Annihilation of caste by Dr. Ambedkar, my lens of viewing the society has been tainted and rightfully so. I hope to read more and more about caste atrocities and break walls of caste immobility by engaging in active conversations with members of the disadvantaged castes and making my social circle more inclusive.
Sir, upper caste never accept that there exist a privilege by birth to them....in your comment section also people have written reservation is curse....
who told your parents to produce on average 5-6 children ...you want truth ....??. still so called lower castes is producing 4-5 children on average then they will cry on situation ...gonds ruled for 600 years in mandla ...why 99% of gonds are still poor i want to know ??
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I read in Facebook from an ambedkarite person that a sayyad/ashraf MP approaches Babasaheb to take up Islam as his religion since he had announced that he was going to renounce Hinduism.Babasaheb was well aware of the issue of casteism in Indian Islam then or the castes practices among Indian Muslims, much like brahmin savarnas few upper castes control other lower caste Muslims. So Babasaheb asks that ashraf Muslim MP as to 'which caste would he place him (Babasaheb) in once he embraces Islam?'. This ashraf Muslim MP had no answer and had to return empty handed. So this is the issue and reason why Babasaheb rejected Indian Islam, precisely because of Casteism, it is riddled with similar Brahmanism as so called Hindu religion.
@@avinash_1341caste by definition is hierarchical. Ajraf come at top, ajlaf at the middle and pasmadas at the bottom. These have further scores of division. I guess you never read what Babasaheb said about islam. It was much more intense than any of his opinions on Hinduism. Do opt from actual education outside madrassa.
thanks you for your kind words. WE all need to talk about such things and step up against such discriminatory behaviours. Do support the channel and content by spreading it around. thanks
I bet every one, who knowingly or unknowingly practice casteism, knows everything what you have discussed, but they just don't want to acknowledge it. Very-Very great discussion. And only those people can understand this who have themselves faced some kind of racism in foreign lands.
Everyone is discriminated by someone on something but you need to mentally strong to tackle it.not just blamegave or victimization. Nothing change with reservation but bad for Indian economy.Until you want to continue divide and rule policy and gain political benefit.
Thank u, nice video Problem ye hai ki log bolte hai casteism kha hai humne to nhi dekha aur whi hume manisha valmiki jaise case dikhte hai jisme repist kaa samaaj repist kai support me jai rajpootana kai slogan gaata hai kyoki rape victim ek dalit ladki thi ,,aur uski body ko raat me jalaa diya jaata hai ,saboot mitaane kai liye aur log bolte hai casteism to hai hi nhi ,,, mujhe to meri caste hi pta nhi ,, ye aapka privilege hai ,,wrna samaj kai ek varg ko kisi caste me paida hone jai kaaran bahut kuch jhelna padta hai ,,😢😢
The issue is unveiled in a very critical manner. Although this almost constitutes to the 50% of the problem as the oppressors and the oppressed keep on being reversed in other parts of the country. Distribution of money, credentials, education and privileges has got nothing much to do with the caste and community. Because concerning my state Maharashtra, everyone has got both cards of the perpetrators and the victims, equally usable in the system. Would love to have a direct conversation. But very good effort in breaking the fourth wall.
27:38 : Only the Ambedkarites show the guts to ask questions and challenge the dogmas and narratives set by the oppressing castes and so they are the most hated by the latter …
I would request the fourth dimension team to try to get few experts in the discussion instead of repeating same person again and again as sometimes one person may be good in one area but completely unaware of other topics, for caste systems you should get Dr. Suraj Milind Yengde for this kind of discussion
@@TheFourthDimensionChannel thank you for the response, I like this channel very much and I feel this will grow more in future. This is a great platform to have alternative discussions. ranting without much content or SME Will not be the best road map for this. Any discussion will require the SMEs for that topic , repeating the same person for multiple discussions will lead to conformity and echo chambers
@@avinash_1341 what evidence do you have that it happen rarely. Does media ever report like the way whenever role of oppression is reversed. No media ever report oppression of upper cast by lower cast. How did you conclude justification if no media ever report it ?
Is labour from Brahmin caste and Scheduled caste is different wages working on same place. If not then what was privileged. Schedule caste got Reservation, Scholarship,. Law to protect them. In this senerio Schedule caste got more benefit. Now all have equality. Is really 3% Brahim doing atrocities on 17% SC and 9% St . Is this really possible.
@@TheFourthDimensionChannelso basically according to you brahmin have the whole responsibility to transform each and every life of dalits ...brahmin should work for dalits they should literally feed dalits by thier own hands ...because dalit is nothing but a lame duck ..
Never seen a brahmin Labourer a brahmin garbage man or house worker or a brahmin individual doing any minor labor lol send them to me I will employe them I don't care about any caste
Whatever be the reason for someone to be meritorious including generational privileges, only a meritorious person should be placed with responsibility and power. In name of level playing field, we cannot afford to give power in the hands of unworthy people.
This topic and the angle of discussion is welcome but again all India doesn't go through the same issues of casteism, for example in Bengal we don't see casteism as we see in the Hindi heartland, may be north east is also different, casteism in South is different in dimension from North. So discussions need to be multidimensional , and of course the privileged has to speak up as is happening here to get a clear picture.
of all these points you there is also a point of identity deeply rooted in hindu culture and its history why some are different from other the constant of being a proud jaat , rajput, brahmin the pride that is associated with being from a varna or caste is deeply ingrained the social conditioning like an baniya will be good at business etc .... these things result in inferiority of lower castes and mental trauma as being not on equal social platform than , a rich dalit faces more mental trauma than discrimination , i think the acknowledgment and taking pride in ones caste is it self casteism. Dr. Ambedkar was right the annihilation of caste is necessary with reformation of hindu culture.
now i am 100% sure you are randomly commenting or trolling with not even an iota of knowledge ,its fine you have your thinking but caste is a truth of present ...what was in past just serves as foundation of present and these topics are studied , debated to make the society more egalitarian and reformed.. yes in early period there was varna system and easy migration of people from one varna to other was possible but over a course of time varna system turned rigid and the presence of multiple caste itself rose from varna system ...During the early vedic age there were more pastural society so 4 varnas sufficed but when civilization developed it turned rigid we need more people for different occupations like a boat driver , leather worker and also manual scavenging came into existence because humans started living in closed cities , yes an outlook of class also plays but it is not the only factor ,RELIGION , foreign invasion and other factors also came into play and thus we reached present state outright denial of some ones suffering is cruelty as a society discussion and debate are necessary of wellbeing of everyone.
u know what, the best thing about this propaganda is that, both comes from upper class and now they are trying to be like dalit leaders, bhai gaon mein jaakr dekho, dalit ka mann pdhne likhne mein nahi lgta, wo majdoori hi krega, daaru piyega aur so jaayega, yakeen nhi hota toh rehkr dekhlo ek dalit ke saath umr bhar, main gaon ki baat kr rha hun. you are doing a thought experiment of casteism, it has nothing to do with ground realties of upbringing a child. and one more thing , i walk in streets with my caste pride, no ifs no buts.
100% sahi.baat boli bhai ...in chaman ko lagta hain dalit padhai ni kar raha kyun ki ushey mauka ni milta lekin ye bhul jatey ki padhai karna humesa se sabse kathin kaam raha hain ....iska koi instant result ni milta ....
Ews reservation hai na bhai tere paas. Kyu gaali galoch kar raha hai? Brahmins ne kitne hi kisano ki jameen hadap li aur kisano ke pariwar ko suiciee karna pada uska idea hai tumko?
@@avinash_1341 EWS? Reality sunega? EWS ke liye Permanent residence maangate hai, tahsildar non Sawarn hote hai nahi banate hai certificate.. uspe se bhi 1000 Rs har saal lgta hai.. Gali de raha hun kyonki gali sunne ka kam ho raha.. logo ko ye lagta hai ki Brahmins ke naam par kuch nhi pel do to social justice hoga.. ek baap ka bacha hai to aaye kare Debate.. rahi baat un Brahmins ki jinhone galat kiya.. to suno.. kisne nhi kiya? Tu apni jaat bata.. dekh tera itihaas na khol diya to.. Aur ek baat.. agar kuch brahmin ne kahi bura kiya to saare Brahmin ko target karna shi hai to Jitna Tyag Brahmin ne diya is desh ke logo ko pair dhokar pina padega.. Spies kaun jitne martyr ho gaye desh ke liye.. freedom fighter.. jinhone caste system ka born se relation ka virodh kiya wo bhi saikado Brahmins huye.. leikn ek mc ambedkar ka naam itna uchala jata hai jaise wo all alone tha.. bhai aaj bhi likh kar le le.. Jo Brahmin 4000 years se apna culture save kar skta hai, jo Brahmin is desh ko Greek, Arabs, European se bacha skta hai usey der nhi lagegi yaha sbko barbaad karne me.. Brahmin tab galat karta hai kab society mil kar uske saath galat kare.. aur hamare saath baar baar galat ho raha.. hamari betiyo ko chheda jaa raha aur uska virodh karne par SC ST act laga diya jaa raha.. jakar padh lena kine Brahmin ne support kiya tha SC ST bill ka.. tab jakar pass hua.. ye desh hmse gaddari kar raha hai.. ab videsh me sikka hai Brahmins ka.. aur jyadatar ki income poor thi.. sb baahar jaa rhe.. aur tum log abhi bhi nhi smjh rhe
Even i belong to sc but i live in delhi since birth i too feel that in rural areas situation is very bad we can witness this from newspaper everday so many news are coming on caste based discrimination and deaths its very horrifying to see such incidents 😢 especially in northern side of india. i belong to previliledged class bcz i haven't witnessed any incident in my life
Ya, I was privileged to get abused because I was born to brahman parents, even if I don't believe in anything. I had to struggle for only 3 years for job, Ya very privileged!!!
Congratulations you missed the whole point of this debate i.e the struggle you had, your caste dint play any role in it. You are from privileged class in that case
*I don't any colonial land where Europeans didn't play this Caste trick. The term Caste originated from latin language & widely practiced in Europe but brutally imposed on all the colonial lands, in Spanish colonial lands it was called "Casta". In modern times Caste is a powerful tool to make Hindus feel guilty & convert them. A Casteless society is a nightmare for a Church. In my opinion a Brahmin should be as much proud as a Pathan, a Jatt, an Irish or a Scotish.* *In India people can me be proud if they are a Pathan but you can not proud if you are Brahmin.*
Caste hierarchy is only in Hinduism. Vedas clearly mentioned this hierarchy. Hindus should be ashamed not because Hinduism is an inferior religion. All religions have their faults but we should recognise the problem with our respective religions.
@@avinash_1341 I didn't know Vedas were written in Latin script ! You just claimed that Vedas clearly mention Caste hierarchy. I challenge you that if you show me term "Caste" in any Hindu scripture, I will donate 5 Thousand Yuan to any organization you want.
Varna system is mentioned in a hymn in rigveda, it was consolidated as a system through various other authoritative texts. For example manusmriti very extensively talks about varnas and related privileges to so called “upper castes” and extreme punishments and hence disadvantages to so called “lower caste groups” Varna system got very rigid in Gupta period although this journey of rigidity had started a few centuries earlier.
@@GuriS_Videos Varna is there but no sequences is there. Hindu society give source of money to vaishya and Shudra. Weapon to kshatriya. Vedas to Brahman. Each are related to other and depends on other . This like a garland.
चूंकि जाति हिंदू धर्म कि आत्मा है मने जाति खत्म तो हिंदू धर्म खत्म। लिहाजा भारत कृषि प्रधान देश नहीं है बल्कि जाति प्रधान देश है मने भारत में जाति धर्म से भी बड़ी हैं। दूसरी बात हिंदुओं में जाति धर्म सम्मत हैं। इस्लाम एवम ईसाईयों में नहीं। मसलन कोई भी ईसाई विशप या पोप बन सकता हैं या कोई भी मुसल्मान मुफ्ती बन सकता हैं लेकिन हिंदुओं में ब्राह्मणों के अलावा कोई भी शंकराचार्य नहीं बन सकता।
Sanjay I can't find ur channel and that's fine with me, only one thing 13th December, if u remember is Wednesday. You have connection with Ganu and as with me also. But I am really tired of this virtual life . I want my real life so tum janu Ganu Jane I am done. Best of luck.
Agree - Most atrocities today are done by middle castes. By the end of this decade, we will see dalit will do atrocity on maha dalit. This decade is for dalits. Previous decade was for OBCs. Pata nahi aap liberals kis dalit ki baat kar rahe ho..yaha to virat hindu ban ne ki race lagi hai. Aur vo maha dalit bhi apne ghar me aurat ko koot hi raha hoga. Disagree - Reservation certainly increases the hate towards lower castes. Yes, reservation is necessity and their right but what they r doing with that reservation? Getting govt jobs, doing the same ... corruption. Dalit koi Jupiter se to aaya nahi hain...Solution = instead of Govt jobs if dalit becomes entrepreneur and give jobs to people (regardless of their castes), that will be true empowerment. They will feel more dignity in that rather getting quota jobs. For that, govt should give free education to dalits instead of carrying on reservation system. Bheekh nahi dignity... 60 saal liberal govt rahi hai but inko bheekh dene me maja ata hai aur JNU morons ko lene me bhi .. instead of less fee, this jokers should hv demanded free edu...fir left se promote hokar liberal bhi to ban na h Disagree - ki koi upper caste ko naali saaf karte nahi dekha, matlab jis din upper caste naali saaf kar de, dalit ka kalyan ho jaye...gajjab .again govt should give safe gadgets to cleaners, so that any needy can go for that job.
Focus on the privileged upper class. Jis din bhrahmin victim class mein ayengein (if at all that happens, we doubt it) the liberals will be the ones standing with them too. So buckle up and spend time in gaining some insight into upper class attitudes to other castes. Look into your parents relatives attitudes. Look where they are marrying, who are their networks....u might just begin to educate yourself better.
@@TheFourthDimensionChannel I hv seen my parents' prejudice and lunatic relatives & all....but aap liberals ka accha hain.. aap log bas wait karte raho ki kon gire to hum uske sath khade ho...gajjab activists wala sadism hain bhai.
@@sgrhwl2706look at his reply his sidelines all your arguments and completely focussed on brahmins ....i can bet you he has nothing to do with privileges .and complete arguments revolves around brahmin's hatred ....basically thier whole idea to target hinduism roots through targetting brahmins...because i don't think brahmins are the richest group of hindus ...niether they are interested in priestly jobs.
I'm a Rajput and apart from never getting insulted for my caste I don't think I have seen any privilege in my life for belonging to the upper caste. No one has handed me any job just because I am a Rajput so I don't know what is this caste privilege. Only money, beauty and connections give privilege in life. Rest is BS.
@@TheFourthDimensionChannel Thats total bullshit....You guys are making it look like a one dimensional problem....whereas it has multiple arms......Why not include that benefits of reservation that a mediocre student enjoys.....and atleast India for the last 76 years provided a means(reservation) for the citizens of the country which belong to the lower castes to uplift their socia hierarchy.....What has US done exactly to uplift its black population or any Asian minority there???
After 10 months I see Sanjay rajora.... am happy to see him alive... i thought some right wing guy took care of him.... please do Bharat ek moj yaar... Miss kar raha hu
You really can't, most of these arguments occur in a vacuum. Ask them to have an actual debate instead of stroking each other's ego and they will run off.
So called liberals privilege in India: We can be Casteist as much as we want while simultaneously accusing others of being Casteist😂😂😂😂 Hypocrisy at it's peak😅
In SE Asia we love categories to create a hierarchy. However caste is super deep rooted in Indian culture and needs a proper uprooting if the society has to give it any chance of reaching its potential.
Aviral vatsa is a Qualified Doctor and Rajoura has worked in IT, US for more than 10 years . Jo boht log aaj bhi dream krte vo sb krke yeh log chod chuke
Remember 'Vigyan vardaan hai ya abhishaap' essay in schools? It is still the same story with AI. Sadly India we are pushing the country and the youth way behind the world by not providing them quality education and research facilities. AI will surely make certain jobs less attractive but it will also open up so many other new ones and new industry will develop. But are we, the indian youth, getting ready for it? Not if we are busy with castes, lynchings, religion based narratives.
#हिंदू-#मुस्लिम मत करो इससे माहौल खराब होता है! 🤦♂️👍 #पंडित, #बनिया, #दलित, #ठाकुर OBC,ST, SC करके हिंदुओं को आपस में #जाति में बांटते रहो😉😉 इससे #माहौल #अच्छा रहता है।😶
@@TheFourthDimensionChannel After 1947 #reservation is going on. Before that #British 🇬🇧 were ruling for atleast 200 year's. Usse pehle #Mu$lims claims that they ruled India for 800 year's. So pichle 1000 saal mein time kab mil gaya #Brahmano ya so called upper caste ko sosan karne ka?? Wo tho khud ragde ja rahe hain. #India finally got independence in 1947 from Is'lamic ☪️️& Chris'tian ✝️ rule after 1000 year's of struggle lekin guess karo #villain kon hai?? #Brahman 👏👏👍 #Upper caste
@@TheFourthDimensionChannel One side you guy's are like ki #Mu$lims & #Chri$tians ne jo kara wo purani baat hai bhool jao aage bado kyu gade mu'rde ukhaadna. Dusre side #Brahmano ne #hazar saal pehle kya kiya usko pakad ke rakho 👍🙌👏 wow. Lekin #caste ke naam pe tho aaj v #discrimination hota hai right?? Tho #Mu$lims aur #Chri$tian's aaj v #Hindus ka m'urder / Ra'pe sab kar rahe hain.
I think disarming the privileged class will not work for you in coming years😂bcoz reservation is now limited to rich dalits and obcs and this vicious circle will never let reservation reach poor dalit therefore they will always remain dalits bcoz of their rich and people will still blame uppercaste which will not benefit any poor and middle class dalits.
i dont think you grasped the essence of the video. Privileged class has a lot to do in this. An insight is just a start, but sadly thats missing big time
*Most of the Castes who are enjoying reservation in 2023 were Rajput or Martial race during the British times & yes there is a credible data available for that. Problem is British education system has created an army of victims in India who hate micro minority Brahmins after reading fiction stories by Premchand & watching movies of Shyam Benegal*
@@Desi__data "Lower Caste" that is not a Sanskrit term, moreover "Caste" itself derived from a Latin Term Casta, I will suggest you to use only Sanskrit terms if you want to talk about Hindu Dharma.*
First of all let me say that caste discrimination is just evil and should be annihilated, to all those general class ppl who think inter caste marriages are wrong, blah ,blah just get lost. , The issue that pisses of ‘upper’ castes is not that they are called out for their privilege. It’s abt how their hard work is overlooked and their success is attributed to them being born in an upper caste. Most upper castes are born in middle class households. Are they better off than ppl born in slums? Absolutely. Do they face caste discrimination? Nope. But is their life all sunshine’s and rainbows? Also no. If you are born in a middle class family, you have to be at the top of your game constantly if you are to get into good clgs and jobs. If you didn’t get into a good clg, parents nearly bankrupt themselves trying to fund their studies, or they take heavy loans. And also as an individual, no one wants to depend on their parents money, everyone wants to be self made and be as independent as possible. So there’s that aspect to it as well…so in this context, so after all this, your hardwork and success is just attributed to privilege coz you didn’t suffer as much as a Dalit. What is this struggle olympics? The general discourse around upper caste is very non empathetic, you label them ‘oppressors’ just coz of their birth. Also t as if they have to live their entire lives guilt tripping. Just show some compassion to general class ppl who don’t support casteism. They may not be struggling as much as others, but everyone has their own individual personal and family problems. You can acknowledge the struggle of both, upper caste ppl were left out of reservations as it’s assumed they can manage through their privilege, and when they do that, they are shamed for it. It’s not as black and white as you make it sound and being middle class in india is not paradise too, yeah, much better than 90% of ppl, tomorrow is secured, but the day after is not.
Loved the content. Privilege class people are taking full benefits of all social system in USA, England, Europe and other Asian nations. There are plenty of them who owns handsome money, properties, lands, farming etc.
Rigveda: the “Hymn of the Cosmic Man” (Purushasukta) explains that the universe was created out of the parts of the body of a single cosmic man (Purusha) when his body was offered at the primordial sacrifice. The four classes (varnas) of Indian society also came from his body: the priest (Brahman) emerging from the mouth, the warrior (Kshatriya) from the arms, the peasant (Vaishya) from the thighs, and the servant (Shudra) from the feet.
Muslim is doing more atrocities on SC and ST community than Upper caste and after 1990 it become very less doing atrocities on Dalits. Bcz now be belives on United Hindu samaj. Otherwise we have to face difficulty like Kashmir or West Bengal
There is never going to be a society where everyone is born with equal privilege. Having said that, our focus as citizens has to be to build a society where there's equal opportunity for everyone, REGARDLESS of their caste. The single problem with caste based reservation is thay IT IS CASTE BASED, which means that the one thing it does very well is to ensure that the caste system itself remains alive and thriving.
Yeah, I got you. Caste is cancer, while reservation is a treatment. It was diagnosed that caste is the reason that equal opportunities are not given to more than half of the population of the country. That's why the reservation is caste based and will remain so until caste, casteism and casteist exist. Now as per your logic, the single problem with the cancer based treatment is that it is cancer based (perhaps it should be diabetes based), which means that the one thing it does very well is to ensure that cancer disease itself remains alive & thriving and if we stop treating it then there will be no cancer. Problem solved. Great logic man.👍
Sanjay sir is completely wrong in this ,he is mixing class and caste. Class and caste both are independent systems. You can find a rich dalit. No poor Brahmin will allow his poor daughter to marry a rich dalit.
@thezoldics7648 yeah blame Europe for Hinduism caste/Verna/Jati system. An intellectual like Ambatkar has spent his entire life studying this topic and written so much on it but you are so lame to use the RSS Whatsapp university line as defense. Try reading a book first, annihilation of caste by Ambatkar.
The problem of today is that idiots got the forum who have rudimentary knowledge of the subject same as Sanjay sir who is speaking on the topic but does not have simple basic understanding of the issue. Class vs caste was the main subject Ambatkar has written so much on.
@@TheFourthDimensionChannel Ambatkar spent so much time and wrote so much about Caste and class , he wanted to underline in bold the difference between caste and class to ensure people understand the real pain of caste issue but still today people like Mr Sanjay things it's class issue instead of caste issue ,it's like pissing a painter pissing on Mona Lisa
As a Adivasi person here are my two cents...
1. Your conversation was between two persons who understand and agree on a topic. Hence a person who disagrees will not understand.
2. You need to focus and elaborate the kind of previleges a common upper caste man benefits from.
From my experience UC people are deeply ignorant of their previlege.
Thank you for taking up this important topic 🙏
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@@SM-tg6mj yes bro.. they don't know they are Superman from other planet🤣🤣🤣
Bdw come to my place I ll show you adivasis having acres of land and enjoying life.. 😂
School is the first place where caste discrimination experienced by the children.😢
Thanks for this .I am from untouchable community . Sc
when so called upper caste talk about us like u I got tears in my eyes
I was from an “upper” caste. Identify as a Buddhist & a Dailt today. Jai Bhim!
What do you mean @@avakkai
@@Aadityaprakaash6340 what I wrote. Not sure what you’re asking TBH
@@avakkai you said I was born Hindu now identify as Dalit how’s that possible
@@Aadityaprakaash6340 I’ve rejected Hinduism, converted to Buddhism, and identify with the majority of Buddhists/Neo-Buddhists in India. Simple.
I can still remember, when I was in class 1, a teacher of mine asked my caste. That lady kept on insisting while I out of part shame and part ignorance tried to give evasive replies. Caste is a disgrace to any society.
Thanks for having this talk. I wish that majority of our nation gets this idea to bring the positive change.
Thanks. But Dont hold your breath on this. The nation is deeply soaked into castes .... but we do need to chip away at this ....
I'm belongs to underprivaleged class, what a good conversation to acknowledge the harsh reality of our society..!
I am also from an Unprivileged class , I was poor & now I am a less poor but with education, they hate me because I wear a thread around my body & I put a strange symbol on my head 😆
@@noize2sound Nobody is stopping you to use your education and your capabilities to get the highest paying jobs in India. Most of which are reservation free.
@@avinash_1341 I do not want High pay But I just want to shout Hay Sree Ram without getting bullied
sadly we are very very far away from when the society will get proper insight into what it means 'caste based discrimination' . People will live in hatred but not apply their brains.
Get out of your biases. If indeed you wish to self educate, read what is privilege. REad Ambedkar to start understanding whats havoc privileged classes have been unleashing over centuries. ALso look into your families, relatives, their attitudes, whom they marry whats their network...why? you just begin to scratch the surface by doing so. Good luck and lot of courage.
I'm a privileged class and gave up on my Brahminism and happened to be lucky that my family supported it. More often than not, I get astonished when people talk about meritocracy without acknowledging their privilege! I did my higher education in Chennai and could see first hand how higher reservation (69%) has benefited the state and its people. I guess the only way it can go when intercaste marriage becomes a norm and surname goes away. That was I like the sytem in South where they use their father's or mother's first name as their last name! P.S. My sister married to a SC guy (from her workplace) and was surprised to learn that my religious parents (I'm an atheist) did not have any issue with it and realized how progressive they were. They are not anymore. So, thank you that you two from privileged backgrounds are discussing this issue. I really liked the fact that the doctor spoke about disabling privilege and that's the only way to create an egalitarian society!
You are a best example of Hypocrisy , you people never gave up on Brahminism, your caste consciousness and varna system ideologies will never change, marrying to intercaste lower people is another part of your blue print, there is a history of it whoever, married to Upper caste Brahmin had destroyed so many intellectuals , scholars and our leaders. Caste had already spoiled the society. You said you give up privileged benefits but your whole business surrounded by caste and varna system. You people are only progressive for your own benefits. There will be a never a Good Brahmin.
Sanjay was bang on when he talked about the guilt and anxiety that comes after one from the privileged caste startes to educate themselves about caste and the atrocities committed under its name. Ever since I've read Annihilation of caste by Dr. Ambedkar, my lens of viewing the society has been tainted and rightfully so. I hope to read more and more about caste atrocities and break walls of caste immobility by engaging in active conversations with members of the disadvantaged castes and making my social circle more inclusive.
Amazing, well done and thanks sharing your thoughts
2 most honest & enlightened souls....🎉😊....a divisive society can never move on unless it's inherent disparities & inequalities ain't redressed.
thanks. INdeed inherent disparities are bringing the nation and society down.
Sir, upper caste never accept that there exist a privilege by birth to them....in your comment section also people have written reservation is curse....
True
who told your parents to produce on average 5-6 children ...you want truth ....??. still so called lower castes is producing 4-5 children on average then they will cry on situation ...gonds ruled for 600 years in mandla ...why 99% of gonds are still poor i want to know ??
One of the finest conversation ever seen on TH-cam ❤
Thank you very much. More is coming :) .
Thank you ....for discusse this topic🙏
Me is vedio ko save karke rakhunga
Muje kahin jarurat padi to jarur dikhaounga on logo ...jinhe ye dekhne ki jarurat hai🙏
And i am you new subscriber 🙏
thanks. Aur baat aap khul ke kijiye caste ke against. Aur koi chara nahin hai.
I read in Facebook from an ambedkarite person that a sayyad/ashraf MP approaches Babasaheb to take up Islam as his religion since he had announced that he was going to renounce Hinduism.Babasaheb was well aware of the issue of casteism in Indian Islam then or the castes practices among Indian Muslims, much like brahmin savarnas few upper castes control other lower caste Muslims. So Babasaheb asks that ashraf Muslim MP as to 'which caste would he place him (Babasaheb) in once he embraces Islam?'. This ashraf Muslim MP had no answer and had to return empty handed.
So this is the issue and reason why Babasaheb rejected Indian Islam, precisely because of Casteism, it is riddled with similar Brahmanism as so called Hindu religion.
In Islam caste is non hierarchical. In Hinduism it's hierarchical
@@avinash_1341 then why they are asking for reservations on what basis if it is non hierarchical
@@avinash_1341caste by definition is hierarchical. Ajraf come at top, ajlaf at the middle and pasmadas at the bottom. These have further scores of division. I guess you never read what Babasaheb said about islam. It was much more intense than any of his opinions on Hinduism. Do opt from actual education outside madrassa.
@@avinash_1341Complete falsehood. You probably don't even know the meaning of Sayyid, Sheikh as well as the dimension of Shia and Sunni division.
Thanks for sharing your perspective
VERY HAPPY TO HEAR. At least SOMEONE have facts
Thanks for your words of encouragement
it's good to see some ads on the channel, finally!
some good conversations that we hear from these videos❤❤
keep up the good work!
More to come!
@@TheFourthDimensionChannel Amen!
An utmost needed initiative. Thanks for having this talk.
Thanks for your words of encouragement
Bhai saaf si baat hai "qabar ka haal, murde ko he pata hai" aap logo ne topic pick kiya, aap dono ko salute
Thank you Sirs...for talking about our problems
thank you for your support
Very nice conversation and with lot of love Sanjay sir ❤
Thank you
Sir, loving the content. Such an mind opening conversation.
Thank you for bringing it to the surface..!!!!
thanks you for your kind words. WE all need to talk about such things and step up against such discriminatory behaviours. Do support the channel and content by spreading it around. thanks
Behtreen sanjay sir😮
thanks
I bet every one, who knowingly or unknowingly practice casteism, knows everything what you have discussed, but they just don't want to acknowledge it.
Very-Very great discussion.
And only those people can understand this who have themselves faced some kind of racism in foreign lands.
Hello sanjay sir very long time i am eagerly waiting for your conversation
more coming soon.
Sanjay paji you rock !!
He is indeed awesome
दोनो ने उठाया हुआ जातीय प्रभुसत्ता का सवाल मानसिक संघर्ष का विश्लेषण बहुत बढीया है
Well done 👍
Thank you 👍
Everyone is discriminated by someone on something but you need to mentally strong to tackle it.not just blamegave or victimization.
Nothing change with reservation but bad for Indian economy.Until you want to continue divide and rule policy and gain political benefit.
In indi for Men Patriachy Mysoginy doesn't exist and for Uppercastes caste discrimination doesn't not exist
Thank u, nice video
Problem ye hai ki log bolte hai casteism kha hai humne to nhi dekha aur whi hume manisha valmiki jaise case dikhte hai jisme repist kaa samaaj repist kai support me jai rajpootana kai slogan gaata hai kyoki rape victim ek dalit ladki thi ,,aur uski body ko raat me jalaa diya jaata hai ,saboot mitaane kai liye aur log bolte hai casteism to hai hi nhi ,,, mujhe to meri caste hi pta nhi ,, ye aapka privilege hai ,,wrna samaj kai ek varg ko kisi caste me paida hone jai kaaran bahut kuch jhelna padta hai ,,😢😢
People do dating as well on caste . Thats why i hate dating
dating is not bad, caste and caste based activities are bad.
Sanjay bhai, you are inspiring ♥️♥️♥️🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Salute both of you👏
Thank you
The issue is unveiled in a very critical manner. Although this almost constitutes to the 50% of the problem as the oppressors and the oppressed keep on being reversed in other parts of the country. Distribution of money, credentials, education and privileges has got nothing much to do with the caste and community. Because concerning my state Maharashtra, everyone has got both cards of the perpetrators and the victims, equally usable in the system. Would love to have a direct conversation. But very good effort in breaking the fourth wall.
27:38 : Only the Ambedkarites show the guts to ask questions and challenge the dogmas and narratives set by the oppressing castes and so they are the most hated by the latter …
I would request the fourth dimension team to try to get few experts in the discussion instead of repeating same person again and again as sometimes one person may be good in one area but completely unaware of other topics, for caste systems you should get Dr. Suraj Milind Yengde for this kind of discussion
Thanks for the suggestion, we are working on it
@@TheFourthDimensionChannel thank you for the response, I like this channel very much and I feel this will grow more in future. This is a great platform to have alternative discussions. ranting without much content or SME Will not be the best road map for this. Any discussion will require the SMEs for that topic , repeating the same person for multiple discussions will lead to conformity and echo chambers
What a discussion...team forth dimension..
Absolutely love this channel ♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️
Thank you.
I have seen reverse castism when an sc become officers and a junior who is from general.. The officer rebuke the junior deliberately
Happens rarely. I have seen SC officers going to jail for their caste.
@@avinash_1341 what evidence do you have that it happen rarely. Does media ever report like the way whenever role of oppression is reversed. No media ever report oppression of upper cast by lower cast. How did you conclude justification if no media ever report it ?
Thanks for sharing your perspective
Thanks for sharing your perspective
Thanks for sharing your perspective
❤❤❤ wow such a insightful information
Glad you think so!
So foreign planning is to make caste issue in 2024 election. What are you saying we rather see reverse casteism.
Foreign planning ??? Lol
Caste varan system is worst thing in the world
Sati ?
Is labour from Brahmin caste and Scheduled caste is different wages working on same place. If not then what was privileged. Schedule caste got Reservation, Scholarship,. Law to protect them. In this senerio Schedule caste got more benefit. Now all have equality. Is really 3% Brahim doing atrocities on 17% SC and 9% St . Is this really possible.
Have you ever seen a brahmin labourer
talk to a brahmin labrouer, a dalit labourer about their lives. You will understand. Keep an open mind though.
@@drscience_xoyup ...come i will show you ...
@@TheFourthDimensionChannelso basically according to you brahmin have the whole responsibility to transform each and every life of dalits ...brahmin should work for dalits they should literally feed dalits by thier own hands ...because dalit is nothing but a lame duck ..
Never seen a brahmin Labourer a brahmin garbage man or house worker or a brahmin individual doing any minor labor lol send them to me I will employe them
I don't care about any caste
Whatever be the reason for someone to be meritorious including generational privileges, only a meritorious person should be placed with responsibility and power. In name of level playing field, we cannot afford to give power in the hands of unworthy people.
Want to see more of these conversations ❤
Thank you
This topic and the angle of discussion is welcome but again all India doesn't go through the same issues of casteism, for example in Bengal we don't see casteism as we see in the Hindi heartland, may be north east is also different, casteism in South is different in dimension from North. So discussions need to be multidimensional , and of course the privileged has to speak up as is happening here to get a clear picture.
yes it is for the privileged to get some insight into their privilege and talk about it and do something about it
Shaadiyan ki baat apne bilkul sahi bole hain. If I ask my friend to marry an other caste girl, then they will say that my parents won't allow this.
jo datt ke khade hote hain wahi badlaav latey hain.
This issue is common in different parts of the world. It isn't something of a sole indian issue. But it is problematic.
of all these points you there is also a point of identity deeply rooted in hindu culture and its history why some are different from other the constant of being a proud jaat , rajput, brahmin the pride that is associated with being from a varna or caste is deeply ingrained the social conditioning like an baniya will be good at business etc .... these things result in inferiority of lower castes and mental trauma as being not on equal social platform than , a rich dalit faces more mental trauma than discrimination , i think the acknowledgment and taking pride in ones caste is it self casteism. Dr. Ambedkar was right the annihilation of caste is necessary with reformation of hindu culture.
now i am 100% sure you are randomly commenting or trolling with not even an iota of knowledge ,its fine you have your thinking but caste is a truth of present ...what was in past just serves as foundation of present and these topics are studied , debated to make the society more egalitarian and reformed.. yes in early period there was varna system and easy migration of people from one varna to other was possible but over a course of time varna system turned rigid and the presence of multiple caste itself rose from varna system ...During the early vedic age there were more pastural society so 4 varnas sufficed but when civilization developed it turned rigid we need more people for different occupations like a boat driver , leather worker and also manual scavenging came into existence because humans started living in closed cities , yes an outlook of class also plays but it is not the only factor ,RELIGION , foreign invasion and other factors also came into play and thus we reached present state outright denial of some ones suffering is cruelty as a society discussion and debate are necessary of wellbeing of everyone.
Absolutely, nothing short of annihilation of caste will do, if we wish the nation to provide equity and hence proper growth. Dr Ambedkar was spot on.
u know what, the best thing about this propaganda is that, both comes from upper class and now they are trying to be like dalit leaders,
bhai gaon mein jaakr dekho, dalit ka mann pdhne likhne mein nahi lgta, wo majdoori hi krega, daaru piyega aur so jaayega, yakeen nhi hota toh rehkr dekhlo ek dalit ke saath umr bhar, main gaon ki baat kr rha hun.
you are doing a thought experiment of casteism, it has nothing to do with ground realties of upbringing a child.
and one more thing , i walk in streets with my caste pride, no ifs no buts.
100% sahi.baat boli bhai ...in chaman ko lagta hain dalit padhai ni kar raha kyun ki ushey mauka ni milta lekin ye bhul jatey ki padhai karna humesa se sabse kathin kaam raha hain ....iska koi instant result ni milta ....
My Family Income is 1.2 lacs per annum par in Madhar-chodo ke acc mai privileged hu..kyoki constitution mujhe Brahmin kaha h..
Ews reservation hai na bhai tere paas. Kyu gaali galoch kar raha hai? Brahmins ne kitne hi kisano ki jameen hadap li aur kisano ke pariwar ko suiciee karna pada uska idea hai tumko?
@@avinash_1341 EWS? Reality sunega? EWS ke liye Permanent residence maangate hai, tahsildar non Sawarn hote hai nahi banate hai certificate.. uspe se bhi 1000 Rs har saal lgta hai.. Gali de raha hun kyonki gali sunne ka kam ho raha.. logo ko ye lagta hai ki Brahmins ke naam par kuch nhi pel do to social justice hoga.. ek baap ka bacha hai to aaye kare Debate.. rahi baat un Brahmins ki jinhone galat kiya.. to suno.. kisne nhi kiya? Tu apni jaat bata.. dekh tera itihaas na khol diya to.. Aur ek baat.. agar kuch brahmin ne kahi bura kiya to saare Brahmin ko target karna shi hai to Jitna Tyag Brahmin ne diya is desh ke logo ko pair dhokar pina padega.. Spies kaun jitne martyr ho gaye desh ke liye.. freedom fighter.. jinhone caste system ka born se relation ka virodh kiya wo bhi saikado Brahmins huye.. leikn ek mc ambedkar ka naam itna uchala jata hai jaise wo all alone tha.. bhai aaj bhi likh kar le le.. Jo Brahmin 4000 years se apna culture save kar skta hai, jo Brahmin is desh ko Greek, Arabs, European se bacha skta hai usey der nhi lagegi yaha sbko barbaad karne me.. Brahmin tab galat karta hai kab society mil kar uske saath galat kare.. aur hamare saath baar baar galat ho raha.. hamari betiyo ko chheda jaa raha aur uska virodh karne par SC ST act laga diya jaa raha.. jakar padh lena kine Brahmin ne support kiya tha SC ST bill ka.. tab jakar pass hua.. ye desh hmse gaddari kar raha hai.. ab videsh me sikka hai Brahmins ka.. aur jyadatar ki income poor thi.. sb baahar jaa rhe.. aur tum log abhi bhi nhi smjh rhe
TM bheek mango Mandir ke Bahar..😂
Bhai, tu hai privileged. Tu asaani se financial condition better kar sakta hai, kisi SC/ST ke muqable mein.
Bas Govt schemes ka labh le.
HINDU DHARAM NE TEREKO BRAHMIN BATAYAA
Even i belong to sc but i live in delhi since birth i too feel that in rural areas situation is very bad we can witness this from newspaper everday so many news are coming on caste based discrimination and deaths its very horrifying to see such incidents 😢 especially in northern side of india. i belong to previliledged class bcz i haven't witnessed any incident in my life
Hats off u to u
Next topic.. Insecurity in todays generation even when they are succesful.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts
jab tak roti beti ka rishta nahi tab tak log barabar nahi .....saaf baat
Galat baat.. ye solution nhi hai
Absolutely that is a start. That will break the walls the quickest.
@thezoldics7648 What ever helps you sleep brother.
Then start from the Dalits among themselves Bury the difference between Balmiki and Chamar
@@awakenkaafirex-muslim6627 Soon sir, soon
Ya, I was privileged to get abused because I was born to brahman parents, even if I don't believe in anything. I had to struggle for only 3 years for job, Ya very privileged!!!
Congratulations you missed the whole point of this debate i.e the struggle you had, your caste dint play any role in it. You are from privileged class in that case
*I don't any colonial land where Europeans didn't play this Caste trick. The term Caste originated from latin language & widely practiced in Europe but brutally imposed on all the colonial lands, in Spanish colonial lands it was called "Casta". In modern times Caste is a powerful tool to make Hindus feel guilty & convert them. A Casteless society is a nightmare for a Church. In my opinion a Brahmin should be as much proud as a Pathan, a Jatt, an Irish or a Scotish.*
*In India people can me be proud if they are a Pathan but you can not proud if you are Brahmin.*
Caste hierarchy is only in Hinduism. Vedas clearly mentioned this hierarchy. Hindus should be ashamed not because Hinduism is an inferior religion. All religions have their faults but we should recognise the problem with our respective religions.
@@avinash_1341 I didn't know Vedas were written in Latin script ! You just claimed that Vedas clearly mention Caste hierarchy. I challenge you that if you show me term "Caste" in any Hindu scripture, I will donate 5 Thousand Yuan to any organization you want.
Varna system is mentioned in a hymn in rigveda, it was consolidated as a system through various other authoritative texts. For example manusmriti very extensively talks about varnas and related privileges to so called “upper castes” and extreme punishments and hence disadvantages to so called “lower caste groups”
Varna system got very rigid in Gupta period although this journey of rigidity had started a few centuries earlier.
@@GuriS_Videos Varna is there but no sequences is there.
Hindu society give source of money to vaishya and Shudra.
Weapon to kshatriya.
Vedas to Brahman.
Each are related to other and depends on other . This like a garland.
@@avinash_1341There is no "hierarchy" in Vedas. Either provide proof or shut up.
Our ‘upper’ castes are not treated well in goron ke desh, because the goras consider them neech browns. Lol.
They consider all us as neech browns , not only upper caste
चूंकि जाति हिंदू धर्म कि आत्मा है मने जाति खत्म तो हिंदू धर्म खत्म। लिहाजा भारत कृषि प्रधान देश नहीं है बल्कि जाति प्रधान देश है मने भारत में जाति धर्म से भी बड़ी हैं। दूसरी बात हिंदुओं में जाति धर्म सम्मत हैं। इस्लाम एवम ईसाईयों में नहीं। मसलन कोई भी ईसाई विशप या पोप बन सकता हैं या कोई भी मुसल्मान मुफ्ती बन सकता हैं लेकिन हिंदुओं में ब्राह्मणों के अलावा कोई भी शंकराचार्य नहीं बन सकता।
very true.
Thank you :)
Sahi kaha sir caste war chal raha hai jat vs rajput vs gurjar vs yadav vs sc st vs pandit.
Sanjay I can't find ur channel and that's fine with me, only one thing 13th December, if u remember is Wednesday. You have connection with Ganu and as with me also. But I am really tired of this virtual life . I want my real life so tum janu Ganu Jane I am done. Best of luck.
Agree - Most atrocities today are done by middle castes. By the end of this decade, we will see dalit will do atrocity on maha dalit. This decade is for dalits. Previous decade was for OBCs. Pata nahi aap liberals kis dalit ki baat kar rahe ho..yaha to virat hindu ban ne ki race lagi hai. Aur vo maha dalit bhi apne ghar me aurat ko koot hi raha hoga.
Disagree - Reservation certainly increases the hate towards lower castes. Yes, reservation is necessity and their right but what they r doing with that reservation? Getting govt jobs, doing the same ... corruption. Dalit koi Jupiter se to aaya nahi hain...Solution = instead of Govt jobs if dalit becomes entrepreneur and give jobs to people (regardless of their castes), that will be true empowerment. They will feel more dignity in that rather getting quota jobs. For that, govt should give free education to dalits instead of carrying on reservation system. Bheekh nahi dignity... 60 saal liberal govt rahi hai but inko bheekh dene me maja ata hai aur JNU morons ko lene me bhi .. instead of less fee, this jokers should hv demanded free edu...fir left se promote hokar liberal bhi to ban na h
Disagree - ki koi upper caste ko naali saaf karte nahi dekha, matlab jis din upper caste naali saaf kar de, dalit ka kalyan ho jaye...gajjab .again govt should give safe gadgets to cleaners, so that any needy can go for that job.
Fine brahmins should not be made priest of a temple automatically unhe bhi bheekh nahi milna chaiye reservation apne ap he hat jayega
Focus on the privileged upper class. Jis din bhrahmin victim class mein ayengein (if at all that happens, we doubt it) the liberals will be the ones standing with them too. So buckle up and spend time in gaining some insight into upper class attitudes to other castes. Look into your parents relatives attitudes. Look where they are marrying, who are their networks....u might just begin to educate yourself better.
@@TheFourthDimensionChannel I hv seen my parents' prejudice and lunatic relatives & all....but aap liberals ka accha hain.. aap log bas wait karte raho ki kon gire to hum uske sath khade ho...gajjab activists wala sadism hain bhai.
@@sgrhwl2706 very true😂😂😂
@@sgrhwl2706look at his reply his sidelines all your arguments and completely focussed on brahmins ....i can bet you he has nothing to do with privileges .and complete arguments revolves around brahmin's hatred ....basically thier whole idea to target hinduism roots through targetting brahmins...because i don't think brahmins are the richest group of hindus ...niether they are interested in priestly jobs.
To avoid self realisation and any kind of eye opening after listening to these two...just close ur eyes and sleep...
Dream about vishwaguru.
Vishawguru without equity is Impossible.
I'm a Rajput and apart from never getting insulted for my caste I don't think I have seen any privilege in my life for belonging to the upper caste. No one has handed me any job just because I am a Rajput so I don't know what is this caste privilege. Only money, beauty and connections give privilege in life. Rest is BS.
perhaps u need to see the episode again and you will understand how being upper caste is privilege, even if you think you did not get any advantage.
@@TheFourthDimensionChannel Thats total bullshit....You guys are making it look like a one dimensional problem....whereas it has multiple arms......Why not include that benefits of reservation that a mediocre student enjoys.....and atleast India for the last 76 years provided a means(reservation) for the citizens of the country which belong to the lower castes to uplift their socia hierarchy.....What has US done exactly to uplift its black population or any Asian minority there???
@gudduentertains
Not getting insulted Is a privilege in the first place.
What else do you want?
Go ask a SC person about what problems they face.
Not getting insulted for your caste is also a privilege ❤
Anybody's birth is just a biological accident, so how come you can be superior or inferior on this basis. How can this be your achievement?
it shud not be, but in indian culture your family of birth decides your status.
After 10 months I see Sanjay rajora.... am happy to see him alive... i thought some right wing guy took care of him.... please do Bharat ek moj yaar... Miss kar raha hu
You got to improve your YT search skills dost :). He has been on this channel for a few months now. do share his work around. :). Thanks
Beautiful conversation. Now I can really make some arguments about caste privilege among the people of my family, friends and relatives. 🙂🙂🙂
You really can't, most of these arguments occur in a vacuum. Ask them to have an actual debate instead of stroking each other's ego and they will run off.
All we need is the courage to keep challenging the bigots in all spheres. Thank you for your kind words.
it seems we have hurt your ego. Pls take good care of it :)
So called liberals privilege in India: We can be Casteist as much as we want while simultaneously accusing others of being Casteist😂😂😂😂
Hypocrisy at it's peak😅
Being a Indian leftist is a peak of irony. You fight an colonial ideology with another devastating colonial one.
Reservation is an affirmative action. Period.
This sounds almost like a Sunni, Punjabi Man in Pakistan. Har jagaah apnay hee caste chal rahay hein. 5:59
In SE Asia we love categories to create a hierarchy. However caste is super deep rooted in Indian culture and needs a proper uprooting if the society has to give it any chance of reaching its potential.
Next topic.. Future of corporate jobs and threat of ai
Above their intellect and salary check.
Aviral vatsa is a Qualified Doctor and Rajoura has worked in IT, US for more than 10 years .
Jo boht log aaj bhi dream krte vo sb krke yeh log chod chuke
@@FromPlanetZX sanjay had worked in usa in IT
Remember 'Vigyan vardaan hai ya abhishaap' essay in schools? It is still the same story with AI. Sadly India we are pushing the country and the youth way behind the world by not providing them quality education and research facilities. AI will surely make certain jobs less attractive but it will also open up so many other new ones and new industry will develop. But are we, the indian youth, getting ready for it? Not if we are busy with castes, lynchings, religion based narratives.
#हिंदू-#मुस्लिम मत करो इससे माहौल खराब होता है! 🤦♂️👍
#पंडित, #बनिया, #दलित, #ठाकुर OBC,ST, SC करके हिंदुओं को आपस में #जाति में बांटते रहो😉😉
इससे #माहौल #अच्छा रहता है।😶
हिंदुओं ने स्वयं को जीतिओं में बाँटा है, किसी दूसरे ने नहीं। take that responsibility.
@@TheFourthDimensionChannel
After 1947 #reservation is going on.
Before that #British 🇬🇧 were ruling for atleast 200 year's.
Usse pehle #Mu$lims claims that they ruled India for 800 year's.
So pichle 1000 saal mein time kab mil gaya #Brahmano ya so called upper caste ko sosan karne ka??
Wo tho khud ragde ja rahe hain.
#India finally got independence in 1947 from Is'lamic ☪️️& Chris'tian ✝️ rule after 1000 year's of struggle lekin guess karo #villain kon hai??
#Brahman 👏👏👍
#Upper caste
@@TheFourthDimensionChannel
One side you guy's are like ki #Mu$lims & #Chri$tians ne jo kara wo purani baat hai bhool jao aage bado kyu gade mu'rde ukhaadna.
Dusre side #Brahmano ne #hazar saal pehle kya kiya usko pakad ke rakho 👍🙌👏 wow.
Lekin #caste ke naam pe tho aaj v #discrimination hota hai right??
Tho #Mu$lims aur #Chri$tian's aaj v #Hindus ka m'urder / Ra'pe sab kar rahe hain.
@@TheFourthDimensionChannelitni stupid baat karte ho , agar dhyan se dekho toh Indian Muslim aur Christian mein bhi hai par vaha pe muh bandh
@@SiddhishNirgude-gi8vq 80 % k uppar baat karna jyada logical hai
Castes gives unearned privileges to the oppressing castes hence they favour status quo
hum upper caste Rahul gandhi ke citizen wali list me ni hain ,we need new nation if congress comes to power
Caste religion just a matter of chance se bada or kuch nhi hai.
I think disarming the privileged class will not work for you in coming years😂bcoz reservation is now limited to rich dalits and obcs and this vicious circle will never let reservation reach poor dalit therefore they will always remain dalits bcoz of their rich and people will still blame uppercaste which will not benefit any poor and middle class dalits.
Koi data hai to support your argument ki bas hava me bate kar rahe ho LoL
Yes because upper caste was and is the root cause of the problem or jab tak inki soch nahi badlegi tab tak reservation bhi rahega he
i dont think you grasped the essence of the video. Privileged class has a lot to do in this. An insight is just a start, but sadly thats missing big time
@thezoldics7648 lol,show the data dude if you have any. where should one look around, be clear with your argument.
@@akashpatre8643you want data just go n see the sirnames names of all selected ST in upsc cse of last 5 years 😂
sanjay aapko bhi chod kar chala gaya, khasiyat hain iski kisi ke sath nahin tik sakta, most unstable person, huh
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Thank you
*Most of the Castes who are enjoying reservation in 2023 were Rajput or Martial race during the British times & yes there is a credible data available for that. Problem is British education system has created an army of victims in India who hate micro minority Brahmins after reading fiction stories by Premchand & watching movies of Shyam Benegal*
Share that credible data. Otherwise is just all made up bullshit like British created caste system.
Casteism still exist and there is a reason lower caste hate brahmins and upper caste ask someone who belong to lower caste you will know
Brahmins are also enjoy reservation which is 50% and under EWS too😅
@@Desi__data *Ohh OK, can you please share which Yojna is made only for Brahmins ?* 🙂
@@Desi__data "Lower Caste" that is not a Sanskrit term, moreover "Caste" itself derived from a Latin Term Casta, I will suggest you to use only Sanskrit terms if you want to talk about Hindu Dharma.*
First of all let me say that caste discrimination is just evil and should be annihilated, to all those general class ppl who think inter caste marriages are wrong, blah ,blah just get lost.
, The issue that pisses of ‘upper’ castes is not that they are called out for their privilege. It’s abt how their hard work is overlooked and their success is attributed to them being born in an upper caste. Most upper castes are born in middle class households. Are they better off than ppl born in slums? Absolutely. Do they face caste discrimination? Nope. But is their life all sunshine’s and rainbows? Also no.
If you are born in a middle class family, you have to be at the top of your game constantly if you are to get into good clgs and jobs. If you didn’t get into a good clg, parents nearly bankrupt themselves trying to fund their studies, or they take heavy loans.
And also as an individual, no one wants to depend on their parents money, everyone wants to be self made and be as independent as possible. So there’s that aspect to it as well…so in this context, so after all this, your hardwork and success is just attributed to privilege coz you didn’t suffer as much as a Dalit. What is this struggle olympics?
The general discourse around upper caste is very non empathetic, you label them ‘oppressors’ just coz of their birth. Also t as if they have to live their entire lives guilt tripping.
Just show some compassion to general class ppl who don’t support casteism. They may not be struggling as much as others, but everyone has their own individual personal and family problems. You can acknowledge the struggle of both, upper caste ppl were left out of reservations as it’s assumed they can manage through their privilege, and when they do that, they are shamed for it. It’s not as black and white as you make it sound and being middle class in india is not paradise too, yeah, much better than 90% of ppl, tomorrow is secured, but the day after is not.
Thanks for sharing your perspective
Next topic.. Corporate culture
thats bit vague. what is in your mind regarding this?
Ameer gareebo ke saath bhi discrimination karte hai... Jo powerful hai vo powerful bana rehna chaahta hai..
Chahe vo Caste ho chaahe Vo Ameer ho.
caste shud not be a sign of power. Thats it. it is demeaning at many levels and a lot different than rich vs poor.
@@TheFourthDimensionChannelbla bla bla 😂 just accept you are nothing but on payroll propagandist because your all arguments are just flawed....
Next topic.. Bollywood and web series
what about it?
Next topic.. When will world war 3 happen
You tell?
If someone don't want to do anything is there choice they why u connect to caste system...
Very true
I want to add 1 more thing. Clearly you are from privileged class if u tell your full name when you meet someone.
Rajora Bhai, aapko kya fayda mila, aap toh khud shudra ho? ye maan sakte hu, ki aapne parwah nahin ki iss existing caste system ki!
Loved the content. Privilege class people are taking full benefits of all social system in USA, England, Europe and other Asian nations. There are plenty of them who owns handsome money, properties, lands, farming etc.
Thanks for sharing your perspective
True
Thanks
You should asked this from a poor barhmin person rather than this rich elite
@bollywoodscenesandudayansh5947 sources
Next topic.. Ayurved
that was done too. see other episodes.
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INDRA SAWNEY CASE .....NOT MORE THAN 50 PERCENT SHUD BE THE LIMIT.....UNNECESSARY GIVING 100 PERCENT WONT SOLVE THE PROBLEM
Agree
Cfbr
Give separate electorate end reservation
upper castes shud have asked that when they had been ruling.
Ab koi waisa benefit nahi rha bhai. Especially in Eastern India
Upper caste mat boliye , Brahman Kshatriya Vaishya Shudra boliye.
Shastra mein kabhi bhi upper lower nehi bataya.
Rigveda: the “Hymn of the Cosmic Man” (Purushasukta) explains that the universe was created out of the parts of the body of a single cosmic man (Purusha) when his body was offered at the primordial sacrifice. The four classes (varnas) of Indian society also came from his body: the priest (Brahman) emerging from the mouth, the warrior (Kshatriya) from the arms, the peasant (Vaishya) from the thighs, and the servant (Shudra) from the feet.
apne ved nhi pdhe toh kisi aur ne bhi nhi pdhe , ek br pdh lijiye fr criticism krna @thezoldics7648
Thanks for sharing your perspective
humara jati pradhan desh hai
Muslim is doing more atrocities on SC and ST community than Upper caste and after 1990 it become very less doing atrocities on Dalits. Bcz now be belives on United Hindu samaj. Otherwise we have to face difficulty like Kashmir or West Bengal
Hindu samaj inherently is a collection of castes... read Dr Ambedkar.
There is never going to be a society where everyone is born with equal privilege. Having said that, our focus as citizens has to be to build a society where there's equal opportunity for everyone, REGARDLESS of their caste. The single problem with caste based reservation is thay IT IS CASTE BASED, which means that the one thing it does very well is to ensure that the caste system itself remains alive and thriving.
Yeah, I got you. Caste is cancer, while reservation is a treatment. It was diagnosed that caste is the reason that equal opportunities are not given to more than half of the population of the country. That's why the reservation is caste based and will remain so until caste, casteism and casteist exist. Now as per your logic, the single problem with the cancer based treatment is that it is cancer based (perhaps it should be diabetes based), which means that the one thing it does very well is to ensure that cancer disease itself remains alive & thriving and if we stop treating it then there will be no cancer. Problem solved. Great logic man.👍
Sanjay sir is completely wrong in this ,he is mixing class and caste. Class and caste both are independent systems. You can find a rich dalit. No poor Brahmin will allow his poor daughter to marry a rich dalit.
@thezoldics7648 yeah blame Europe for Hinduism caste/Verna/Jati system. An intellectual like Ambatkar has spent his entire life studying this topic and written so much on it but you are so lame to use the RSS Whatsapp university line as defense. Try reading a book first, annihilation of caste by Ambatkar.
The problem of today is that idiots got the forum who have rudimentary knowledge of the subject same as Sanjay sir who is speaking on the topic but does not have simple basic understanding of the issue. Class vs caste was the main subject Ambatkar has written so much on.
Caste has different issues than class. Indian social set up has unique underpinnings which are only caste based.
@@TheFourthDimensionChannel Ambatkar spent so much time and wrote so much about Caste and class , he wanted to underline in bold the difference between caste and class to ensure people understand the real pain of caste issue but still today people like Mr Sanjay things it's class issue instead of caste issue ,it's like pissing a painter pissing on Mona Lisa