A social media post said they hadn't seen a comparison between the Kimber Micro 9 and the Ultra Carry II 9mm, so here it is. Website: www.riders-range.com
I just bought the Ultra Carry II Two-tone in 45ACP today! I took it to the range and I was quite pleased! It is very accurate and fun to shoot! I had no failure to feed or failure to eject. I highly recommend this Kimber.
Hopefully you at least hit your target 😂😂😂 Granite he’s using a 3 inch barrel and he’s pretty far away for 3 inch barrel, but I couldn’t help poke fun at the fact that he didn’t manage more than one bull’s-eye with about 13 shots and even then it wasn’t a bullseye 😂
I just picked up a used Kimber Micro 9 Nightfall for $350 and so far I love this pistol, it's very light to carry all day and for me, it shoots great at the range with zero issues with both type of ammo I use. I was concerned about buying a Kimber after hearing about some of their quality control issues I have heard lately and mine was made in the Alabama plant versus the Yonkers NY plant, but so far mine has been prefect and I feel comfortable using this as my daily EDC. Nice well made pistol for the money I paid for it.
The Alabama made ones are good. My brother works there and in the south where they’re made, Troy, they value quality. Everything’s made better in the south lol
Thank you for the video. I received a Kimber micro 9 two tone with a 3 white system for Christmas. So far very happy with it took it to the range 3x already no issues with 115 or 124 ammo ran Hollow points, ball and flat nose. I replaced the grips with G10 grips and changing the sights with XS sights just to be clear these are my personal preference. Probably have 400 rounds through it so far. When I cleaned it I even took the firing pin and extractor out to clean them also.
Would you recommend the 9mm version over the .45? I've heard so many people say 9mm is just a superior round now with ballistics being similar and much more manageable recoil under stress.
Interesting results at 50 yards! My wife and I own Sig P238 and P938 pistols, and they’re great for pocket carry. They’re also accurate and soft shooting, especially the .380. The Sig P365 has taken the place of my P938, but I do like the P938. Thanks for Sharing! 👍
Frank, thanks for the comments. We also have the 238 and 938. I like the 238 a little better than the Kimber Micro 380, but the Micro 9 a little better than the 938. And like you, the 365 is currently my daily carry. At the end of The Affordable 1911 series we will be looking at the micro guns, including the Colt Mustang.
😂 officer framed This was very well presented, I was torn between a micro nine and the ultra carry two! However I was incredibly fortunate enough to be allowed to fire both of them prior to my decision, and amazingly enough I liked the micro nine better than the ultra carry two in 9mm However the ultra carry two in 45 ACP is what I want up going with
Convinced me. Just got my new Micro 9 ESV for Fathers Day. Oiled and put 50 rds back to back through it. NO issues. Factory mag. Love it Thanks for the review.
Very Nice! I like both in this video, but so far my small 1911’s are five Commander style 1911’s. Maybe a smaller one in 2023. 🤠👮🏻♂️🇺🇸👍👻👋😉🍀. B9USA Sr.
Interesting comparison. I have the Colt Defender 9mm and the Sig P938. I almost abandoned the Sig P938 because of issues with the original 7-round magazine design. My P938 always functioned well with the 6-round flush fit magazines but I had numerous problems with the 7 rounders. First it was premature magazine release issues while I was shooting it and then it became feeding issues with all ammo. So for a few years the P938 marinated in my safe until I decided to get to the bottom of the magazine issues. Within the last six months I purchased a new Sig 7-round magazine from MidWay. The new 7-round magazine is physically different than my original magazines; it shows evidence of a design change ever so minor. The bottom line is that the new magazine works flawlessly with any ammo. Switching back to my original 7-rounder brings back the problems with it. Now when I compare the P938 and the Colt Defender 9 they are the same for accuracy but the 938 is easier to carry.
Ultra Carry II, you can’t go wrong. .45 caliber, never had one stoppage or feeding issue. My only issue is that it holds 7 in the mag. However I can live with it. It conceals and carries well with no problem.
I have a inside source Kimber is working on a double stack. Sure it’ll go throughout the Ultra to Custom sized 1911s. Just don’t know when it’ll happen.
Thank you SO MUCH for making this video! Much like your other viewers, I’m trying to decide on which one to get. Reading reviews is ok, but seeing them in action and in capable hands is invaluable. Did you ever figure out why the Micro had the malfunctions? Were you able to fix the problem, or is it something you will need to send the pistol back to Kimber to get resolved?
Chris, thanks for watching. Those stoppages with the Micro 9 were all with Federal American Eagle 124gr "ball" ammo. That ammo has run just fine in many other guns, but for reasons I haven't figured out, they had issues in those Kimbers that day. Both guns have run just fine with my carry ammo, however - Federal 124gr HST. I still trust the Micro with the HST ammo and do carry it on occasion. The Ultra Carry II now belongs to my daughter and she hasn't had any more issues with it. If you do decide on a Micro 9, just be aware you may have to run a couple hundred rounds of 124gr, and maybe even 147gr ammo through it, then a few mags of your carry ammo, before you can trust it (or almost any gun) for protection.
Your Shooting is spot on even if the cheaper Kimber was giving you some reliability issues. The ultra carry Kimber 1911 seems to be the better shooter, plus I like the looks of it better. That’s just me. Stay safe my friend! Still watching the rest of the video…. I enjoy your work. 🤠👮🏻♂️🇺🇸👍👋👻😉🍀. B9USA Sr.
I have that exact same ultra ii only in 9mm. The same grips on it as well except for the upgraded screws. I've had micro 9's and still have one, the STG model. I would prefer to carry the Ultra Ii all the time but I usually carry my Kimber EVO CS because it's a bit easier to conceal. Great video!
I reviewed the EVO. It handles and shoots nice and has a great trigger. But I have an issue carrying a gun that is 98-100% cocked - without a manual safety - so the EVO just sits in the safe. Thanks for watching.
I bought a Micro 9 Stainless and well pleased. I was surprised the fixed factory sights are very good. (I usually replace them with an adjustable rear, but un-needed on mine.)
Just ordered a Micro 9 Stainless steel with TFX pro sights. Hoque grips. Cant wait to pick it up . Hopefully it will shoot as well as my other 2 Kimbers.
I was shooting something similar two days ago and found both guns to be very close. I was ursing the Sic P938 in 9mm and the Kimber Ultra CDP II in 45 ACP, both with 3 inch barrels. Zero failures with both just using ball reloads. 40 rounds each split between 15 and 25 yards..
David, thanks for watching and commenting. I was very pleased with my two Ultra Carrys - 9 and .45. They served me well, but my daughter has mentioned them several times, so it looks like they both may be going to a new home shortly.
Love my Ultra 9mm. Might not hold as much as the 8 gazillion polymers out there but I’ve found it to be extremely accurate, consistent, and repeatable. I’ll take precision over volume any day of the week.
Shawn, thanks for watching and commenting. I keep putting off doing the side-by-side comparison of the Kimber Micro .380, Sig P238, Springfield 911 .380 and Colt Mustang. Your comment may just be enough to prompt me to get that review going.
Hmmm....I may not have mentioned that the Micro 9, which is based on the Colt Mustang design, doesn't have a typical 1911 grip safety. Thanks for watching and adding that info.
Wish you would have included info on things like recoil impulse, reach to controls and trigger, effort to rack the slide, do the mags drop free, cost of mags, holster availability etc. A detailed comparison. The physical look was great, just not enough. Watching someone shoot doesn't reveal much.
I carry a Glock 43, but always wanted a micro 9. Finally purchased the ESV with a IWB &OWB holsters. I have short fingers, so they fit well and shoot well. I haven’t decided which I like better, but with more range time, maybe I will choose. I use 50 grain Hollow points in both as my defense rounds but practice with Winchester range rounds, to cut costs. I remember paying 22 cents a round not too long ago…. Hope those days come back.
Michael, thanks for watching and adding your thoughts. It wasn't all that long ago (late 2019) that I bought 9mm ammo by the case for as little as $169 - or 17 cents per round. It is starting to come down, but I doubt we'll ever again see sub-20 cents per round.
As usual you you hit those targets well and especially with a micro at that distance. I carry two pistols rotation a Walther CCP which Carey's so we'll and shoots pretty dang well, it uses the gas blowback that you see in HK pistols and are very controllable, they do need cleaning a bit more due to the port but just love that CCP egonomics. Also I carry a HK VP9SK and my favorite holsters are the Galco Combat master or Speed paddle, the HK doesn't carry as concealed as the CCP but it still a winner, it's what I like about single stack pistols is they conceal so we'll. Man you keep me in the gun shops with your reviews, those Numbers are nice and that Dan Wesson you reviewed is just pudding with lunch. Great reviews and enjoy your channel.
Thanks. 10” steel plates are one thing, but I’m not sure I could get the old Davis Windmaster to hit the B-27 10-ring at 50 any more (but now I may just have to try it). I have fond memories of all the years the Mills and Rider team was trying to beat (or even come close to) the Lapp and Schroeder team. I also recall a couple matches where Denny Willing and I were running neck and neck. And one match - I believe it was Multi-Lakes - where he and I tied score and X-count, but I had one more X on the B target. Lots of matches, good times and good friends. The good old days - before bi-focals.
@@RidersRange Yea, I had glasses made for shooting, just to hard getting up and down into positions. I still tinker with bullseye and I teach CPL classes. I still enjoy shooting, but golf is the fire in my belly now
I think I would have trouble getting into (and up from) prone these days - too much in the middle now. And I may need longer time on stage 3. Heck, once I got down in prone, I may just find its time for a nap.
The Ultra Carry II is a little heavier than the current crop of polymer-frame guns, but that also makes it a little easier to shoot. Thanks for watching and commenting.
I purchased the Kimber Stainless II 1911 .45 ACP handgun and I love it. I also purchased the Kimber 1911 "Micro 9" believing that it too would be trustworthy. Althought it is a beautiful handpiece, it is unworthy of being a defensive weapon, IMHO. If you load the Kimber "Micro 9" with hollowpoints, instead of target range ammo, the unit will notoriously jam up. Even Kimber warns you not to use a "steady diet" of ammo other than basic FMJ target ammo. When I called the Kimber's main tech office in New York, I asked the tech specialist: " what does Kimber mean by the term "steady diet"? The tech told me the term "steady diet" means not to use a constant load of anything other than FMJ target ammo. So I went to an outside range all by myself and tested the Kimber Micro 9 with FMJ target ammo vs. hollow points. The conclusion: The FMJ ammo would inconsistently stovepipe or other wise jam up. But when I put plus P hollow point ammo into the magazine, the weapon would not fire, the round would not properly insert into the barrel. After multiple rejections and failures, I had to remove the 9mm hollow points and re-insert the magazine with different hollow points from other expensive manufacturers such as: HST 147 grain Federal Premium 9mm Luger personal defense rounds. When I placed a full magazine of those rounds into my Kimber Micro 9, the magazine also failed to insert the bullets into the chamber consistently. There would also be jam-ups. Then I tried the same experiment wth Hornady Critical Duty 124 gr. FlexLock hollowpoints into the same magazine for my Kimber Micro 9. Again, there was another failure to properly load. Thus I have chosen not to carry a Kimber Micro 9 as a main carry weapon with any special ammo such as Federal Premium HST 147 gn Personal Defense 9mm Luger ammo. Nor will I use Hornady Critical Duty 9mm Luger+P 124 gr Flex Lock bullets in my Kimber Micro 9. It's not the ammo's fault, it's the fault of the Kimber Micro 9, IMHO. As far as my Kimber Micro 9 is concerned, I will only use it at the target range as a practice pistal with FMJ ammo. I refuse to use this beautiful tiny artsy handgun as a protective carry weapon. If you choose to do so, be aware of its limitations and carry it as a defensive weapon at your own risk. I recently spoke with a woman who regularly carries the Kimber Micro 9 as her primary everyday carry gun. When I asked her about her experiences at the target range, she said she had no adverse issues. I asked her what type of ammo she was using and she had no clue. So, all of you who purchased a Kimber Micro 9 as your primary private carry weapon, please be aware of its limitations, especially if you use ammo other than everyday FMJ target practice ammo. Dear Kimber, if you have any questions or other issues with what I have just stated, you can call me at the same telephone number I gave you when I purchased my Kimber Stainless II and my Kimber Micro 9. I'd be interested in hearing about your promotion for using this pretty artsy piece of 9 mm handgun protections, especially for women who believe it is a convenient weapon when their lives are in danger. Due to my registration information, you know my name and you have my telephone number. I invite you to call me at you leisure to discuss the faults of this weapon as a safe carry handgun, especially for women who believe it is safe to protect themselves. It believe the Micro 9 has more jamups than any other small handgun I have ever used. You have my permission to call me and ask me why I hold this position. BTW, all of you husbands who purchased this handgun for your spouse's safety, you had better do some research before you allow your wife to protect herself with the Kimber Micro 9. You may wish to research this pretty little handgun before believing it will save her during an altercation. Go ahead, Kimber. You have my permission to call me to discuss the faults of the Kimber Micro 9 as to why people should not rely on it for their safety. Until you remover your warning not to allow any ammo other than regular target FMJ bullets, you may wish to reconsider selling this weapon as the gun to protect a woman. Afterall that seems to be our market from what I've seen. You have my phone number so please call me to discuss why this gun has so many faults. You have my telephone number, so I invite you to call me at you leisure to discuss the faults of this weapon as a safe carry handgun, especially for women who believe it is safe to protect themselves.
Hello! Thank you very much for making such an excellent video. I am hesitant to buy the Stainless Ultra Carry II or the Micro 9 Stainless. After you try both, honestly, which is better? Which feels better in the hand? Let me know please. Lastly, where did you get the grips for the Ultra Carry II? Lester Molina from Puerto Rico 🇵🇷
Thank you for watching and commenting. Which gun "feels better in the hand" is a personal choice and somewhat dependent on the size of your hand. I have medium hands and, while I shoot the Micro well and sometimes carry it, I prefer the Ultra Carry size of pistol. (I'm currently carrying a Staccato C.) I can control that size pistol better for follow-up shots. I gave my daughter my Ultra Carry and she lives 1,200 miles away, so I can't pull the grips to check the brand. However, as I recall they were either VZ grips, or LOK grips. LOK is my favorite brand and I have LOK grips on many pistols. I hope this helps.
Good morning and thank you for answering me so soon. I just subscribed to your page. If you ever come to Puerto Rico, please write me, as I would love to meet you in person. A hug from Puerto Rico! 🇵🇷 Lester Molina
I bought two Micro's. Kimber will not let you send them back for work until 500 rounds have been fired. (?) How do you fight your way through 500 rounds when it jams every time? A heavier spring helped reduce the jambs to 50%. Sharp firing pin hole in the breach face shaved brass from every round causing eventual light firing pin strikes. If you are not prepared to deal with this for 500 rounds, Buy something cheaper that works out of the box. Do not pay premium price to experiment!
I've just purchased the Kimber Micro 9 two tone but I've yet to shoot it. I'm all about functioning over form if it doesn't work every time I pull the trigger then I'll be returning the Kimber for different Brand of pistol... Smith & Wesson, Sig Sauer, or Springfield....so I'll have to make some time and go to the Range
Both of my Micro 9s took a little break-in time. Keep it cleaned and lubed and run a couple hundred rounds of 124 and 147 grain ammo through it, then it should run just fine. Keep in mind that most all-metal guns need to be well lubricated. They don't like to run dry like many polymer-frame guns will.
NiGreat review.. And a nice pistol range.. Now I remember where I have seen this range before.. I saw it in some other youtube channels.. I have to check with my buddy Dan if he does some of his reviews at your range.. I know Dan since 2010, and I have invited him multiple times and he did couple reviews at my club.. I would love to shoot with you.. by the way I am heading to Chelsea rod and gun club this morning to shoot clay from 9-12.. I know it is a short notice but if you like to bring that 725 and give it a good use..
Michael, both guns were clean and well lubed before filming. That was my first outing with the Federal American Eagle 124gr ammo. They both run 100% with Federal 124gr HST defense ammo.
Hello my micro ,9 has the same problem with the bullet nose diving. Did you discover what is causing that. I called Kimber but it was out of warranty. Thanks for any info you may provide.
Michael, the only thing I've been able to figure out has to do with the shape of the 9mm cartridge. It is slightly tapered, so in a single-stack magazine the top rounds start to dip with more rounds in the mag. When I carry the Micro 9, I load the chamber from the mag, but don't top off the mag. That seems to be more reliable. Thanks for watching and for commenting.
@@RidersRange I have a micro 9 and it always has problems loading the first couple round. Ball ammo or hollow points it doesn't matter. Very annoying for such a high priced gun.
I carried a Glock 19 for 12 years. I still have it. But my daily is the Micro9 STG. I have over 1000 rds through it with maaaaaybe 5 fails. And I chalk it up to bad ammo. My carry ammo is the legendary Black Talon 147gr. But Ill shoot anything and everything at the range. Kimber's prefer the higher quality ammo for sure.
A Kimber with a II designation has a Schwartz firing pin safety - like a Series 80, but different. If it doesn’t have the II on the slide, it doesn’t have the Schwartz system.
you mentioned your using custom magazines for the kim micro 9 and you seem to be having feed problems with it. I don't think its the gun I think its the magazines. Go with stock or buy magazines designed for the gun. I've read about issues with custom magazines. It will function but will have issues with feeding/jamming
Cord, thanks for watching and commenting. The mags aren't "custom". They are stock mags for the Sig P938 and are identical to the Kimber mags, with the exception of the mag base, as I mentioned in the video. I had to carve the Sig base down a little so the mags would lock in to the Kimber. You'll also notice that I had trouble feeding that ammo from the Kimber mags starting about 8:35 in the video, and at 9:35 the same issues feeding that same ammo into the Ultra Carry II from a Wilson mag.
@@RidersRange thanks for clarifying that for me. I was actually looking at the sig p938. What do you think of it? Would you say its easy to find the target again with feeling the kick a bit more since its smaller. A bit out of topic but the beretta 92x compact is really catching my eye. Its compact but still has some size to it relative to other compacts. And holds 13 rounds too. Sharp looking pistol. Kinda in-between those two options. You ever shoot a beretta 92x compact?
Alex, when I retired I was very happy with my G27, but I always liked the 1911. Then a couple friends said that since I was no longer bound by a policy that prohibited single-action pistols, I should get a Kimber. I paid no attention - until I actually handled a Kimber. That started me down the path of getting 46 different 1911s. I still shoot my Glocks on occasion, but not as much as I shoot 1911s.
How would you compare the recoil between the two guns? I Worry about The recoil more for my wife’s use. I’ll guess the recoil of the Ultra will be just like my Stainless II 5” 9mm.
Because of their weight and the basic laws of physics, either will produce more felt recoil and more muzzle rise than a 5” gun, most of which have steel frames. And the Micro is snappier than the Ultra. My wife can shoot either, but prefers a Micro .380, rather than a Micro 9 or the Ultra. (But when she was much younger she had no trouble shooting pins with a .44mag.)
@@RidersRange If I remember lol. Background check in my state is 2 weeks. Might be about 3 before I get a couple hundred rounds through each. Feel free to leave a reply to remind me if I forget.
Imo the Ruger lcp/lcr are the most practical conceal for me. I have the micro and I have not shot it yet. Fan of the nine. However shoot a phone book with Hornaday Critical Defense in .380 and confetti blows out the back. You could hide it under your hat if you wanted. Great gun. Not looking forward to the spending breaking the kimber in. We shall see
Both my Micro 9 and Micro .380 (review coming) ran pretty well out of the box. I have at least 300 rounds through the .380 and I do carry it when I need something for deep concealment.
Been on the fence 2 or 3 times between the micro, and ultra... Honestly, I went with the STI and avoided the headaches that have come with Kimber pistols over the last 7 or 8 years. I'm hoping thier move south will somehow help with the CQ issues, and one day, I'll own another Kimber that I'm not embarrassed to pull out in my public.
Joey, thanks for watching. I guess I've been lucky. More than a dozen Kimbers and I haven't had the headaches that others have experienced. Just curious which STI (now Staccato2011, Inc) you got? And I agree that the move brings hope for more consistent Kimber QC.
@@RidersRange Bought a barely used Duty One 4.0 in 9mm... Paid 1000 OTD, but I feel like I got a lot more gun (even used) for not that much money. I've had 3 Kimbers. 2 went back because they just would not function reliably (both fixed and eventually sold after a couple months of headaches), and one that literally had the finish flake off it while setting in my safe. Traded it early in 2020 on some ammo. I want to like Kimber, and will probably give them a other try, but not on any model that says Yonkers NY. Hopefully those Alabama boys will do a better job, and get them back the reputation they once had in the 1911 community.
@@joeytomato nice find on the STI. The Duty One 5.0 Lite is one of my favorites, and I have a Duty One 4.0 in .40. At $1,000 you got a great bargain. There aren't any on Gunbroker. I reviewed both in the Great Affordable 1911 Series.
CrazyPetez, thanks for watching. The purpose of the video was to compare two guns OF THE SAME CALIBER from the same manufacturer and intended for the same general purpose, but slightly different size.
I love both my Ultra Carry 2 pistols, one in 9mm, and the other in 45acp. I also own a Micro 9 and I'm not totally sold on it. When I bought the Micro 9 I already had a Sig Sauer p938 and the Sig is a far superior pistol than the Micro 9. Funny, you would have thought that when Kimber obviously copied (reverse engineered) the p938 they would have done a better job. Both my Ultra Carry 2 pistols are excellent well made weapons, and it's bewildering they could screw up the Micro 9 to the extent they did. The Micro 9 doesn't like 115g 9mm, and of course Kimber mags suck. Whenever I buy a Kimber I always factor in a couple of Wilson Combat mags into the price.
The Busterdog, I've had two Micro 9s (and 2 Micro 380s), plus a P938 and a P928. I sold one each of the Micros - just didn't feel right to me - but my current Micro 9 Nightfall has been basically good to me. However, I rarely carry it, preferring an actual 1911-style, rather than the "sorta" 1911 mini. I'll be doing side-by-side of the Micro 9 and P938 this spring, plus a look at all 4 of the little .380s - Kimber, Colt, Sig and Springfield. Thanks for watching and for adding your thoughts.
On average it will take close to half the cost of my Kimber Mocro to break it in to kimber standards. I wish there was an alternative to just dumping ammo through it. If anyone knows how, that would certainly help.
Deegan, regardless of whether or not a gun needs "breaking in", I usually put 300-500 rounds through it before I'll carry it. Of course, these days, 500 rounds is, as you said, about half the cost of a new Micro. Thanks for watching.
@@RidersRange appreciate your reply. Its also tough when you live in the city and have to pay range fees and range masters(very necessary) lol! Maybe I just need a therapist 🙃 watching reviews after you've already purchased the pistol can hurt sometimes lol
@@RidersRange thanks for responding. I have never owned a 1911, and today I found out that if there is a round in the barrel, the hammer is in the lowered position, and the safety has been turned off, squeezing the trigger will not also activate the hammer. I have owned a Barreta 92FS and a Walther P22 where if I chose to have the hammer down on a round in the chamber I could draw, place it on fire, and squeeze the trigger causing the hammer to go back and then fall. I was just unaware that the Kimber wasn't double action on the first shot. Do you agree with what I have said? Just trying to get one more opinion before I make a decision on carrying a Kimber.
Grip safety is a hot topic with strong opinions for and against. I really appreciate a grip safety in a hammer-fired gun and it would have been nice on the Micro, though it would have added to the cost and complexity. Thanks for watching.
If the safety is engaged when the hammer is down, it locks the hammer, and therefore the slide locks. If the safety is engaged when the hammer is back, it shouldn't lock the slide.
@@RidersRange Unreliable and have the manual safety. That should be obvious. Even is they were 100% reliable, the manual safety should be a deal killer.
@@SOLDOZER thanks for the explanation. The manual safety issue is a matter of preference and training. I prefer the addition of a manual safety (and grip safety) for the added security, but I train extensively on 1911s, so it isn't an issue. I certainly don't recommend a manual safety on ANY handgun unless the user trains religiously with it. As to reliability, many 1911s and the smaller guns that are somewhat based on the 1911 design, can be 100% reliable, if maintained properly. I'm currently carrying a Staccato C every day and it has been 100% reliable for more than 1,000 rounds, even when not cleaned or lubed.
@@SOLDOZER the manual safety debate will rage on and on and folks will never come to agreement. I watched Reid's video and he omitted a couple important points. 1) Many striker-fired pistols are anywhere from 85% to 99% cocked, much like carrying a cocked revolver, yet MOST of the time - I emphasize MOST - they are perfectly safe, as long as nothing activates the trigger. (I carried a Glock [85% cocked] on duty for the final 24 years of my law enforcement career, without incident.) 2) Many top law enforcement agency special units select a 1911-style pistol, but go through extensive training to use them successfully. I agree that having a manual safety is not the best for the vast majority of gun carriers, but it IS the right choice for those who are willing to put in the effort to train constantly with a pistol with a safety. Thanks for continuing this interesting discussion, even though it likely won't chance any minds.
I had to compare guns of the same caliber for that video. I reviewed the Ultra Carry II .45 in my Great Affordable 1911 Series. Since those videos, I have given both the 9mm and .45 to my daughter and the .45 is now her favorite pistol.
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3 1/2 years later, your comparison video is still paying off. Thank you so much for the detailed comparison, it was exactly what I was looking for.
Thank you for watching and commenting.
I just bought the Ultra Carry II Two-tone in 45ACP today! I took it to the range and I was quite pleased! It is very accurate and fun to shoot! I had no failure to feed or failure to eject. I highly recommend this Kimber.
Hopefully you at least hit your target 😂😂😂 Granite he’s using a 3 inch barrel and he’s pretty far away for 3 inch barrel, but I couldn’t help poke fun at the fact that he didn’t manage more than one bull’s-eye with about 13 shots and even then it wasn’t a bullseye 😂
I got an Ultra Carry 2 in .45 a few days ago, I can't get it to cycle with 230 gr hollowpoints, what ammo did you use?
I just picked up a used Kimber Micro 9 Nightfall for $350 and so far I love this pistol, it's very light to carry all day and for me, it shoots great at the range with zero issues with both type of ammo I use. I was concerned about buying a Kimber after hearing about some of their quality control issues I have heard lately and mine was made in the Alabama plant versus the Yonkers NY plant, but so far mine has been prefect and I feel comfortable using this as my daily EDC. Nice well made pistol for the money I paid for it.
Thanks for watching and commenting. Don't you feel at least a little guilty for getting your Micro 9 for such a low price?
The Alabama made ones are good. My brother works there and in the south where they’re made, Troy, they value quality. Everything’s made better in the south lol
Thank you for the video. I received a Kimber micro 9 two tone with a 3 white system for Christmas. So far very happy with it took it to the range 3x already no issues with 115 or 124 ammo ran Hollow points, ball and flat nose. I replaced the grips with G10 grips and changing the sights with XS sights just to be clear these are my personal preference. Probably have 400 rounds through it so far. When I cleaned it I even took the firing pin and extractor out to clean them also.
Thank you for taking the time to post this interesting comparison.
Thank you for taking the time to watch and comment.
Exactly the comparison I'd been looking for and well presented. Thanks!
cogitaretoo, glad I could help. Thanks for watching.
I have the ultra carry II in 9mm and love it. One of my favorite range guns. Super accurate and reliable.
Alex, I really liked my Ultra Carry. I say "liked", as in past tense, as I recently signed it over to my daughter because she likes it so much.
Would you recommend the 9mm version over the .45? I've heard so many people say 9mm is just a superior round now with ballistics being similar and much more manageable recoil under stress.
@@ordinarygamer1353 I have both and prefer the 9mm. It’s a lot more fun to shoot than the 45.
@@ordinarygamer1353 Remember this, the .45 caliber was designed to knock a man on his ass and keep him there.
Interesting results at 50 yards! My wife and I own Sig P238 and P938 pistols, and they’re great for pocket carry. They’re also accurate and soft shooting, especially the .380. The Sig P365 has taken the place of my P938, but I do like the P938. Thanks for Sharing! 👍
Frank, thanks for the comments. We also have the 238 and 938. I like the 238 a little better than the Kimber Micro 380, but the Micro 9 a little better than the 938. And like you, the 365 is currently my daily carry. At the end of The Affordable 1911 series we will be looking at the micro guns, including the Colt Mustang.
@@RidersRange Wow we have all of those except the Kimber. I REALLY want the KHX though...really...badly...I like officer framed 1911's.
😂 officer framed
This was very well presented, I was torn between a micro nine and the ultra carry two! However I was incredibly fortunate enough to be allowed to fire both of them prior to my decision, and amazingly enough I liked the micro nine better than the ultra carry two in 9mm
However the ultra carry two in 45 ACP is what I want up going with
I have a lot of Kimber’s and the best feeding mags I’ve found with no issues is the KimPro Tac-Mag.
Lucas, it's interesting how different guns work better with some mags and not with others. Thanks for watching and for commenting.
Convinced me.
Just got my new Micro 9 ESV for Fathers Day. Oiled and put 50 rds back to back through it. NO issues. Factory mag.
Love it
Thanks for the review.
Thank you for watching and commenting.
Very Nice! I like both in this video, but so far my small 1911’s are five Commander style 1911’s. Maybe a smaller one in 2023. 🤠👮🏻♂️🇺🇸👍👻👋😉🍀. B9USA Sr.
Interesting comparison. I have the Colt Defender 9mm and the Sig P938. I almost abandoned the Sig P938 because of issues with the original 7-round magazine design. My P938 always functioned well with the 6-round flush fit magazines but I had numerous problems with the 7 rounders. First it was premature magazine release issues while I was shooting it and then it became feeding issues with all ammo. So for a few years the P938 marinated in my safe until I decided to get to the bottom of the magazine issues. Within the last six months I purchased a new Sig 7-round magazine from MidWay. The new 7-round magazine is physically different than my original magazines; it shows evidence of a design change ever so minor. The bottom line is that the new magazine works flawlessly with any ammo. Switching back to my original 7-rounder brings back the problems with it. Now when I compare the P938 and the Colt Defender 9 they are the same for accuracy but the 938 is easier to carry.
Richard, thanks for watching and for the detailed comment. as you found, mag issues are the primary failure point for most semi-auto pistols.
Thanks for doing this one. Exactly what I was looking for
Thanks for watching.
Ultra Carry II, you can’t go wrong. .45 caliber, never had one stoppage or feeding issue. My only issue is that it holds 7 in the mag. However I can live with it. It conceals and carries well with no problem.
I gave both of my Kimber Ultra Carry pistols to my daughter - .45 and 9mm. The .45 has become her favorite gun. Thanks for watching.
I have a inside source Kimber is working on a double stack. Sure it’ll go throughout the Ultra to Custom sized 1911s. Just don’t know when it’ll happen.
Thank you SO MUCH for making this video! Much like your other viewers, I’m trying to decide on which one to get. Reading reviews is ok, but seeing them in action and in capable hands is invaluable. Did you ever figure out why the Micro had the malfunctions? Were you able to fix the problem, or is it something you will need to send the pistol back to Kimber to get resolved?
Chris, thanks for watching. Those stoppages with the Micro 9 were all with Federal American Eagle 124gr "ball" ammo. That ammo has run just fine in many other guns, but for reasons I haven't figured out, they had issues in those Kimbers that day. Both guns have run just fine with my carry ammo, however - Federal 124gr HST. I still trust the Micro with the HST ammo and do carry it on occasion. The Ultra Carry II now belongs to my daughter and she hasn't had any more issues with it. If you do decide on a Micro 9, just be aware you may have to run a couple hundred rounds of 124gr, and maybe even 147gr ammo through it, then a few mags of your carry ammo, before you can trust it (or almost any gun) for protection.
Your Shooting is spot on even if the cheaper Kimber was giving you some reliability issues. The ultra carry Kimber 1911 seems to be the better shooter, plus I like the looks of it better. That’s just me. Stay safe my friend! Still watching the rest of the video…. I enjoy your work. 🤠👮🏻♂️🇺🇸👍👋👻😉🍀. B9USA Sr.
Thank you, as always, but watching and for the kind words.
I have that exact same ultra ii only in 9mm. The same grips on it as well except for the upgraded screws. I've had micro 9's and still have one, the STG model. I would prefer to carry the Ultra Ii all the time but I usually carry my Kimber EVO CS because it's a bit easier to conceal. Great video!
I reviewed the EVO. It handles and shoots nice and has a great trigger. But I have an issue carrying a gun that is 98-100% cocked - without a manual safety - so the EVO just sits in the safe. Thanks for watching.
I bought a Micro 9 Stainless and well pleased. I was surprised the fixed factory sights are very good. (I usually replace them with an adjustable rear, but un-needed on mine.)
1Skeptik1, thanks for watching and for adding your thoughts.
Just ordered a Micro 9 Stainless steel with TFX pro sights. Hoque grips. Cant wait to pick it up . Hopefully it will shoot as well as my other 2 Kimbers.
Bill, once you get it and have some rounds through it, please share your experience.
Hey bud how did it go. We have the Sig P938 and P928....
I was shooting something similar two days ago and found both guns to be very close. I was ursing the Sic P938 in 9mm and the Kimber Ultra CDP II in 45 ACP, both with 3 inch barrels. Zero failures with both just using ball reloads. 40 rounds each split between 15 and 25 yards..
Thanks for watching and commenting.
I'm looking into the ultra carry II ... thank you for sharing this video, help me make the decision
David, thanks for watching and commenting. I was very pleased with my two Ultra Carrys - 9 and .45. They served me well, but my daughter has mentioned them several times, so it looks like they both may be going to a new home shortly.
Love my Ultra 9mm. Might not hold as much as the 8 gazillion polymers out there but I’ve found it to be extremely accurate, consistent, and repeatable. I’ll take precision over volume any day of the week.
Was thinking of micro for wife but no longer , will go with the mustang for her and the ruger officer for myself .thanks for the show .
Shawn, thanks for watching and commenting. I keep putting off doing the side-by-side comparison of the Kimber Micro .380, Sig P238, Springfield 911 .380 and Colt Mustang. Your comment may just be enough to prompt me to get that review going.
Thanks for this comparison I've been wondering about this as well
Blaze, both guns have their place. Thanks for watching.
I wish someone made an Ultra carry size in 10mm.
You missed the grip safety difference?
Hmmm....I may not have mentioned that the Micro 9, which is based on the Colt Mustang design, doesn't have a typical 1911 grip safety. Thanks for watching and adding that info.
Wish you would have included info on things like recoil impulse, reach to controls and trigger, effort to rack the slide, do the mags drop free, cost of mags, holster availability etc. A detailed comparison. The physical look was great, just not enough. Watching someone shoot doesn't reveal much.
David, thanks for the feedback. Looks like I’ll have to do a “Part 2”. And thanks for watching.
I carry a Glock 43, but always wanted a micro 9. Finally purchased the ESV with a IWB &OWB holsters. I have short fingers, so they fit well and shoot well. I haven’t decided which I like better, but with more range time, maybe I will choose. I use 50 grain Hollow points in both as my defense rounds but practice with Winchester range rounds, to cut costs. I remember paying 22 cents a round not too long ago…. Hope those days come back.
Michael, thanks for watching and adding your thoughts. It wasn't all that long ago (late 2019) that I bought 9mm ammo by the case for as little as $169 - or 17 cents per round. It is starting to come down, but I doubt we'll ever again see sub-20 cents per round.
As an avid shooter with a personal range I "want" to like these kimbers, but my G43 will run circles around the Kimbers in this frame size.
As usual you you hit those targets well and especially with a micro at that distance. I carry two pistols rotation a Walther CCP which Carey's so we'll and shoots pretty dang well, it uses the gas blowback that you see in HK pistols and are very controllable, they do need cleaning a bit more due to the port but just love that CCP egonomics. Also I carry a HK VP9SK and my favorite holsters are the Galco Combat master or Speed paddle, the HK doesn't carry as concealed as the CCP but it still a winner, it's what I like about single stack pistols is they conceal so we'll. Man you keep me in the gun shops with your reviews, those Numbers are nice and that Dan Wesson you reviewed is just pudding with lunch. Great reviews and enjoy your channel.
Wayne, once again, thanks for watching and adding your comments.
Harley, good shooting. I enjoy your videos, keep up the great work!!
Thanks for being a loyal viewer.
Been a few years since we shoot against one another, good to see you still banging steel at 50 yards
Thanks. 10” steel plates are one thing, but I’m not sure I could get the old Davis Windmaster to hit the B-27 10-ring at 50 any more (but now I may just have to try it). I have fond memories of all the years the Mills and Rider team was trying to beat (or even come close to) the Lapp and Schroeder team. I also recall a couple matches where Denny Willing and I were running neck and neck. And one match - I believe it was Multi-Lakes - where he and I tied score and X-count, but I had one more X on the B target. Lots of matches, good times and good friends. The good old days - before bi-focals.
@@RidersRange Yea, I had glasses made for shooting, just to hard getting up and down into positions. I still tinker with bullseye and I teach CPL classes. I still enjoy shooting, but golf is the fire in my belly now
I think I would have trouble getting into (and up from) prone these days - too much in the middle now. And I may need longer time on stage 3. Heck, once I got down in prone, I may just find its time for a nap.
I edc the UC 2. After proper break in, it runs beautifully.
Thanks for watching and adding your thoughts.
I own the ultra carry 6 years now. I like it. It's heavy loaded.... but sure shoots good.
The Ultra Carry II is a little heavier than the current crop of polymer-frame guns, but that also makes it a little easier to shoot. Thanks for watching and commenting.
@@RidersRange Thank you Sir for your time....I'm also fortunate to own the 9mm evo. Love it too...have a great day.
I purchased the Kimber Stainless II 1911 .45 ACP handgun and I love it. I also purchased the Kimber 1911 "Micro 9" believing that it too would be trustworthy. Althought it is a beautiful handpiece, it is unworthy of being a defensive weapon, IMHO. If you load the Kimber "Micro 9" with hollowpoints, instead of target range ammo, the unit will notoriously jam up. Even Kimber warns you not to use a "steady diet" of ammo other than basic FMJ target ammo. When I called the Kimber's main tech office in New York, I asked the tech specialist:
" what does Kimber mean by the term "steady diet"?
The tech told me the term "steady diet" means not to use a constant load of anything other than FMJ target ammo.
So I went to an outside range all by myself and tested the Kimber Micro 9 with FMJ target ammo vs. hollow points. The conclusion: The FMJ ammo would inconsistently stovepipe or other wise jam up. But when I put plus P hollow point ammo into the magazine, the weapon would not fire, the round would not properly insert into the barrel. After multiple rejections and failures, I had to remove the 9mm hollow points and re-insert the magazine with different hollow points from other expensive manufacturers such as: HST 147 grain Federal Premium 9mm Luger personal defense rounds. When I placed a full magazine of those rounds into my Kimber Micro 9, the magazine also failed to insert the bullets into the chamber consistently. There would also be jam-ups.
Then I tried the same experiment wth Hornady Critical Duty 124 gr. FlexLock hollowpoints into the same magazine for my Kimber Micro 9. Again, there was another failure to properly load.
Thus I have chosen not to carry a Kimber Micro 9 as a main carry weapon with any special ammo such as Federal Premium HST 147 gn Personal Defense 9mm Luger ammo. Nor will I use Hornady Critical Duty 9mm Luger+P 124 gr Flex Lock bullets in my Kimber Micro 9. It's not the ammo's fault, it's the fault of the Kimber Micro 9, IMHO.
As far as my Kimber Micro 9 is concerned, I will only use it at the target range as a practice pistal with FMJ ammo. I refuse to use this beautiful tiny artsy handgun as a protective carry weapon. If you choose to do so, be aware of its limitations and carry it as a defensive weapon at your own risk. I recently spoke with a woman who regularly carries the Kimber Micro 9 as her primary everyday carry gun. When I asked her about her experiences at the target range, she said she had no adverse issues. I asked her what type of ammo she was using and she had no clue. So, all of you who purchased a Kimber Micro 9 as your primary private carry weapon, please be aware of its limitations, especially if you use ammo other than everyday FMJ target practice ammo.
Dear Kimber, if you have any questions or other issues with what I have just stated, you can call me at the same telephone number I gave you when I purchased my Kimber Stainless II and my Kimber Micro 9. I'd be interested in hearing about your promotion for using this pretty artsy piece of 9 mm handgun protections, especially for women who believe it is a convenient weapon when their lives are in danger.
Due to my registration information, you know my name and you have my telephone number. I invite you to call me at you leisure to discuss the faults of this weapon as a safe carry handgun, especially for women who believe it is safe to protect themselves. It believe the Micro 9 has more jamups than any other small handgun I have ever used. You have my permission to call me and ask me why I hold this position.
BTW, all of you husbands who purchased this handgun for your spouse's safety, you had better do some research before you allow your wife to protect herself with the Kimber Micro 9. You may wish to research this pretty little handgun before believing it will save her during an altercation. Go ahead, Kimber. You have my permission to call me to discuss the faults of the Kimber Micro 9 as to why people should not rely on it for their safety. Until you remover your warning not to allow any ammo other than regular target FMJ bullets, you may wish to reconsider selling this weapon as the gun to protect a woman. Afterall that seems to be our market from what I've seen.
You have my phone number so please call me to discuss why this gun has so many faults. You have my telephone number, so I invite you to call me at you leisure to discuss the faults of this weapon as a safe carry handgun, especially for women who believe it is safe to protect themselves.
Thanks for detailing your experience with your Micro 9. And thanks for watching.
Hello!
Thank you very much for making such an excellent video. I am hesitant to buy the Stainless Ultra Carry II or the Micro 9 Stainless. After you try both, honestly, which is better? Which feels better in the hand? Let me know please. Lastly, where did you get the grips for the Ultra Carry II? Lester Molina from Puerto Rico 🇵🇷
Thank you for watching and commenting. Which gun "feels better in the hand" is a personal choice and somewhat dependent on the size of your hand. I have medium hands and, while I shoot the Micro well and sometimes carry it, I prefer the Ultra Carry size of pistol. (I'm currently carrying a Staccato C.) I can control that size pistol better for follow-up shots.
I gave my daughter my Ultra Carry and she lives 1,200 miles away, so I can't pull the grips to check the brand. However, as I recall they were either VZ grips, or LOK grips. LOK is my favorite brand and I have LOK grips on many pistols. I hope this helps.
Good morning and thank you for answering me so soon. I just subscribed to your page. If you ever come to Puerto Rico, please write me, as I would love to meet you in person. A hug from Puerto Rico! 🇵🇷
Lester Molina
Hello!
Excuse me for asking about the brand of the grips. I watched the video again and you say they are Cool Hand G10 grips.
Greetings!
I bought two Micro's. Kimber will not let you send them back for work until 500 rounds have been fired. (?) How do you fight your way through 500 rounds when it jams every time? A heavier spring helped reduce the jambs to 50%. Sharp firing pin hole in the breach face shaved brass from every round causing eventual light firing pin strikes. If you are not prepared to deal with this for 500 rounds, Buy something cheaper that works out of the box. Do not pay premium price to experiment!
With so many reliable micro pistols available, it's a shame that Kimber still has break-in issues. Thanks for watching.
I've just purchased the Kimber Micro 9 two tone but I've yet to shoot it.
I'm all about functioning over form if it doesn't work every time I pull the trigger then I'll be returning the Kimber for different Brand of pistol... Smith & Wesson, Sig Sauer, or Springfield....so I'll have to make some time and go to the Range
Both of my Micro 9s took a little break-in time. Keep it cleaned and lubed and run a couple hundred rounds of 124 and 147 grain ammo through it, then it should run just fine. Keep in mind that most all-metal guns need to be well lubricated. They don't like to run dry like many polymer-frame guns will.
@@RidersRange Great Advice Right Here! Thanks Rider! 🤠👮🏻♂️🇺🇸👍👻😉👋🍀. B9USA Sr.
NiGreat review.. And a nice pistol range.. Now I remember where I have seen this range before.. I saw it in some other youtube channels.. I have to check with my buddy Dan if he does some of his reviews at your range.. I know Dan since 2010, and I have invited him multiple times and he did couple reviews at my club.. I would love to shoot with you.. by the way I am heading to Chelsea rod and gun club this morning to shoot clay from 9-12.. I know it is a short notice but if you like to bring that 725 and give it a good use..
@Jamil Alwan, TheFireArmGuy has done many videos on my range. I appreciate the invitation to CRGC, but I'm teaching a CPL class today.
Thanks for you input
Thanks for watching.
Thank you
Were the firearms broken in as per manufacturer guidelines?
Yes. I break in every Kimber per the manual. In addition, each of these guns has had well north of 1,000 rounds through them.
Very nice video ,thanks!!!
Looks like a great job! But it does seem you're more comfortable with the ultra carry Ii. Thanks.
The 1911 Officer-size grip frame does fit my hand better. Thanks for watching.
I’ve never had a problem with my micro 9
I do know Kimber mags run best maybe little oil could help?
Michael, both guns were clean and well lubed before filming. That was my first outing with the Federal American Eagle 124gr ammo. They both run 100% with Federal 124gr HST defense ammo.
Hello my micro ,9 has the same problem with the bullet nose diving. Did you discover what is causing that. I called Kimber but it was out of warranty. Thanks for any info you may provide.
Michael, the only thing I've been able to figure out has to do with the shape of the 9mm cartridge. It is slightly tapered, so in a single-stack magazine the top rounds start to dip with more rounds in the mag. When I carry the Micro 9, I load the chamber from the mag, but don't top off the mag. That seems to be more reliable.
Thanks for watching and for commenting.
@@RidersRange I have a micro 9 and it always has problems loading the first couple round. Ball ammo or hollow points it doesn't matter. Very annoying for such a high priced gun.
Nice job and range
Thanks.
I carried a Glock 19 for 12 years. I still have it. But my daily is the Micro9 STG. I have over 1000 rds through it with maaaaaybe 5 fails. And I chalk it up to bad ammo. My carry ammo is the legendary Black Talon 147gr. But Ill shoot anything and everything at the range. Kimber's prefer the higher quality ammo for sure.
Thank you for watching and adding your thoughts.
Good stuff Rider!
Thanks.
Rider, what is the meaning behind the II designation on Kimbers? Is it similar to 70 series vs 80 series or something else? Thanks.
A Kimber with a II designation has a Schwartz firing pin safety - like a Series 80, but different. If it doesn’t have the II on the slide, it doesn’t have the Schwartz system.
@@RidersRange Thank you my friend.
In the owners manual it says to use hot ammo.
It does work best with defensive rounds. Thanks for watching.
would have liked to hear about the palm safety
There isn't a grip safety on the Micro. The grip safety on the Ultra Carry is just basic with no "speed bump", but it works just fine.
This is not helping me decide!! lol... I do like my Ultra Tactical in 45, so I just might go with an Ultra in 9mm
DeCinAZ - so many nice guns, so little money. Thanks for watching.
you mentioned your using custom magazines for the kim micro 9 and you seem to be having feed problems with it. I don't think its the gun I think its the magazines. Go with stock or buy magazines designed for the gun. I've read about issues with custom magazines. It will function but will have issues with feeding/jamming
Cord, thanks for watching and commenting. The mags aren't "custom". They are stock mags for the Sig P938 and are identical to the Kimber mags, with the exception of the mag base, as I mentioned in the video. I had to carve the Sig base down a little so the mags would lock in to the Kimber. You'll also notice that I had trouble feeding that ammo from the Kimber mags starting about 8:35 in the video, and at 9:35 the same issues feeding that same ammo into the Ultra Carry II from a Wilson mag.
@@RidersRange thanks for clarifying that for me. I was actually looking at the sig p938. What do you think of it? Would you say its easy to find the target again with feeling the kick a bit more since its smaller. A bit out of topic but the beretta 92x compact is really catching my eye. Its compact but still has some size to it relative to other compacts. And holds 13 rounds too. Sharp looking pistol. Kinda in-between those two options. You ever shoot a beretta 92x compact?
I stay loyal to my Glocks but these Kimbers are beautiful guns
Alex, when I retired I was very happy with my G27, but I always liked the 1911. Then a couple friends said that since I was no longer bound by a policy that prohibited single-action pistols, I should get a Kimber. I paid no attention - until I actually handled a Kimber. That started me down the path of getting 46 different 1911s. I still shoot my Glocks on occasion, but not as much as I shoot 1911s.
Which is easier to rack?
The Micro seems to be a little easier to rack.
How would you compare the recoil between the two guns? I Worry about The recoil more for my wife’s use. I’ll guess the recoil of the Ultra will be just like my Stainless II 5” 9mm.
Because of their weight and the basic laws of physics, either will produce more felt recoil and more muzzle rise than a 5” gun, most of which have steel frames. And the Micro is snappier than the Ultra. My wife can shoot either, but prefers a Micro .380, rather than a Micro 9 or the Ultra. (But when she was much younger she had no trouble shooting pins with a .44mag.)
I decided to just get both. An onyx ultra 2, and the micro 9 rapide. Now to just wait on the background check 🤦♂️
Both very good choices. How about a follow-up once you actually take possession and get some trigger time?
@@RidersRange If I remember lol. Background check in my state is 2 weeks. Might be about 3 before I get a couple hundred rounds through each. Feel free to leave a reply to remind me if I forget.
@@Catgat37 how'd it go? I just purchased a kimber micro 9 myself!
@@killcam5000 Ended up not getting either 😒
@@Catgat37 oh no why not?!
Imo the Ruger lcp/lcr are the most practical conceal for me. I have the micro and I have not shot it yet. Fan of the nine. However shoot a phone book with Hornaday Critical Defense in .380 and confetti blows out the back. You could hide it under your hat if you wanted. Great gun. Not looking forward to the spending breaking the kimber in. We shall see
Both my Micro 9 and Micro .380 (review coming) ran pretty well out of the box. I have at least 300 rounds through the .380 and I do carry it when I need something for deep concealment.
Been on the fence 2 or 3 times between the micro, and ultra... Honestly, I went with the STI and avoided the headaches that have come with Kimber pistols over the last 7 or 8 years.
I'm hoping thier move south will somehow help with the CQ issues, and one day, I'll own another Kimber that I'm not embarrassed to pull out in my public.
Joey, thanks for watching. I guess I've been lucky. More than a dozen Kimbers and I haven't had the headaches that others have experienced. Just curious which STI (now Staccato2011, Inc) you got?
And I agree that the move brings hope for more consistent Kimber QC.
@@RidersRange Bought a barely used Duty One 4.0 in 9mm... Paid 1000 OTD, but I feel like I got a lot more gun (even used) for not that much money.
I've had 3 Kimbers. 2 went back because they just would not function reliably (both fixed and eventually sold after a couple months of headaches), and one that literally had the finish flake off it while setting in my safe. Traded it early in 2020 on some ammo.
I want to like Kimber, and will probably give them a other try, but not on any model that says Yonkers NY. Hopefully those Alabama boys will do a better job, and get them back the reputation they once had in the 1911 community.
@@joeytomato nice find on the STI. The Duty One 5.0 Lite is one of my favorites, and I have a Duty One 4.0 in .40. At $1,000 you got a great bargain. There aren't any on Gunbroker. I reviewed both in the Great Affordable 1911 Series.
Question: Can one install a Kimber 22LR COMPACT conversion kit on the Kimber Micro?
Alex, it wouldn’t work - different size, function and fit. None of the parts would line up. But maybe that’s a good idea for the 2020 Kimber lineup.
I see. Thank you and Merry Christmas!
Alex, I hope you have a peaceful and enjoyable Christmas.
A better comparison would have been with what Kimber Ultra Carry II in its rightful caliber, .45ACP.
CrazyPetez, thanks for watching. The purpose of the video was to compare two guns OF THE SAME CALIBER from the same manufacturer and intended for the same general purpose, but slightly different size.
@@RidersRange I get that. I just let my extreme dislike of the 9mm cartridge get the best of me.
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I love both my Ultra Carry 2 pistols, one in 9mm, and the other in 45acp. I also own a Micro 9 and I'm not totally sold on it. When I bought the Micro 9 I already had a Sig Sauer p938 and the Sig is a far superior pistol than the Micro 9. Funny, you would have thought that when Kimber obviously copied (reverse engineered) the p938 they would have done a better job. Both my Ultra Carry 2 pistols are excellent well made weapons, and it's bewildering they could screw up the Micro 9 to the extent they did. The Micro 9 doesn't like 115g 9mm, and of course Kimber mags suck. Whenever I buy a Kimber I always factor in a couple of Wilson Combat mags into the price.
The Busterdog, I've had two Micro 9s (and 2 Micro 380s), plus a P938 and a P928. I sold one each of the Micros - just didn't feel right to me - but my current Micro 9 Nightfall has been basically good to me. However, I rarely carry it, preferring an actual 1911-style, rather than the "sorta" 1911 mini.
I'll be doing side-by-side of the Micro 9 and P938 this spring, plus a look at all 4 of the little .380s - Kimber, Colt, Sig and Springfield.
Thanks for watching and for adding your thoughts.
On average it will take close to half the cost of my Kimber Mocro to break it in to kimber standards. I wish there was an alternative to just dumping ammo through it. If anyone knows how, that would certainly help.
Deegan, regardless of whether or not a gun needs "breaking in", I usually put 300-500 rounds through it before I'll carry it. Of course, these days, 500 rounds is, as you said, about half the cost of a new Micro. Thanks for watching.
@@RidersRange appreciate your reply. Its also tough when you live in the city and have to pay range fees and range masters(very necessary) lol! Maybe I just need a therapist 🙃 watching reviews after you've already purchased the pistol can hurt sometimes lol
is the micro a single action?
Yes. The Micro 9 is basically a 1911-style action, though with a pivoting trigger, rather than a true 1911 sliding trigger.
@@RidersRange thanks for responding. I have never owned a 1911, and today I found out that if there is a round in the barrel, the hammer is in the lowered position, and the safety has been turned off, squeezing the trigger will not also activate the hammer. I have owned a Barreta 92FS and a Walther P22 where if I chose to have the hammer down on a round in the chamber I could draw, place it on fire, and squeeze the trigger causing the hammer to go back and then fall. I was just unaware that the Kimber wasn't double action on the first shot. Do you agree with what I have said? Just trying to get one more opinion before I make a decision on carrying a Kimber.
One has grip safety... the other doesn't.... BIG difference.
Grip safety is a hot topic with strong opinions for and against. I really appreciate a grip safety in a hammer-fired gun and it would have been nice on the Micro, though it would have added to the cost and complexity. Thanks for watching.
Mine locks the life lmao, might wanna get that looked at bro.
My stainless kimber micro safety locks the slide
If the safety is engaged when the hammer is down, it locks the hammer, and therefore the slide locks. If the safety is engaged when the hammer is back, it shouldn't lock the slide.
I don't like the way he said let's see how this one works today
I should have said it different??
Non kimber mag
The Kimber and Sig mags are virtually identical, except for the baseplate. For the Ultra Carry, Wilson and Tripp mags seem to work best.
Too bad they only warranty their firearms for 1 year.
Both terrible defense pistols.
Thanks for watching and commenting. I’m curious why you believe they are “terrible defense pistols”.
@@RidersRange Unreliable and have the manual safety. That should be obvious. Even is they were 100% reliable, the manual safety should be a deal killer.
@@SOLDOZER thanks for the explanation. The manual safety issue is a matter of preference and training. I prefer the addition of a manual safety (and grip safety) for the added security, but I train extensively on 1911s, so it isn't an issue. I certainly don't recommend a manual safety on ANY handgun unless the user trains religiously with it. As to reliability, many 1911s and the smaller guns that are somewhat based on the 1911 design, can be 100% reliable, if maintained properly. I'm currently carrying a Staccato C every day and it has been 100% reliable for more than 1,000 rounds, even when not cleaned or lubed.
@@RidersRange Go watch Reid Hendrick's video on defensive guns with a manual safety.
@@SOLDOZER the manual safety debate will rage on and on and folks will never come to agreement. I watched Reid's video and he omitted a couple important points. 1) Many striker-fired pistols are anywhere from 85% to 99% cocked, much like carrying a cocked revolver, yet MOST of the time - I emphasize MOST - they are perfectly safe, as long as nothing activates the trigger. (I carried a Glock [85% cocked] on duty for the final 24 years of my law enforcement career, without incident.) 2) Many top law enforcement agency special units select a 1911-style pistol, but go through extensive training to use them successfully.
I agree that having a manual safety is not the best for the vast majority of gun carriers, but it IS the right choice for those who are willing to put in the effort to train constantly with a pistol with a safety.
Thanks for continuing this interesting discussion, even though it likely won't chance any minds.
I think I’m gonna get a ultra carry II when I turn 21 later this year
I passed on my Ultra Carry II 9mm and one in .45 to my daughter. The .45 is now her favorite.
I love my ultra carry 45 I would not get a 1911 in a 9mm it's a sin .
I had to compare guns of the same caliber for that video. I reviewed the Ultra Carry II .45 in my Great Affordable 1911 Series. Since those videos, I have given both the 9mm and .45 to my daughter and the .45 is now her favorite pistol.
I thought they were the same gun....