Covering Big Distance Quickly In A Rivian R1T - Phoenix To Fort Collins In One Day! Road Trip 3/3
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Word is Kyle is still wandering the Walmarts of America complaining about EA limiting 500 amp chargers to 350 amps
LOL 🤣
Damn this made my lol
Legend has it…
I like how EA says "For a better charging experience we have reduced the output to 350 amps instead of 350 KW as advertised" what a load of horse bleep!
I'm hoping the charging lot in Winslow was on a corner. Then you could say you were charging on a corner, in Winslow, Arizona... I'll be here all this week folks!
I bought a Model 3 LR last July and your road trip videos with your Tesla gave me the confidence to go forward with the Tesla, keep up the great videos, thanks!
Woohoo viewing from the island Trinidad 🇹🇹 while Kyle is charging in Trinidad, USA! 🇺🇸😄
I was born in Port of Spain… 1948!
I cheered when the rain washed off the bug guts
Great video! On a side note, Voltage can actually be seen as the SPEED (electromotive force or pressure) at which electrons travel through a conductor. Amperage can be seen as the AMOUNT (current) of electrons that travel through that conductor at a given time. Watts is a combination of these two, it reflects actual power as expressed in Watts Law "P = E x I" (E=Voltage, I=amps, P=watts). Look at the conductors as an "Electron Highway". If the electrons (cars) go slow on the highway (lower voltage), the amount of cars on the highway at any given time (amps), needs to be higher to reach the target Power (watts), which is limited by the current rating of the conductor (AWG gauge). But, if the cars go faster (higher voltage), then the highway flows better, there will be less cars and less congestion on the highway at a given time (amps), and we'll be able to reach the same amount of Power (watts) without the need for a bigger highway (conductor). Example of Watts Law to calculate this limit you talk about in the video: 400v x 350a = 140kW ...... but 800v x 350a = 280kW ..... and assuming they raise the 350 amps limit to 500a on the same 400v architecture: 400v x 500a = 200kW ..... but even more amazing would be 800v architecture with full 500a current: 800v x 500a = 400kW. Sorry for nerding out on such a long comment!!
Just admiring your roads, speed limit and charging stations. Australia is the stone age compared to them.
Wow just had my first Tesla commercial on TH-cam!!
You should invite Bjorn Nyland to USA. It would be interesting couple of reviews , long distance road trips and live streams.
I bought my ID.4 based on watching your videos. Thanks for the push to EV life!
This channel deserves more subscribers 💪 Great video Kyle and good explanation on the 350A limit 😎👌⚡️
I do this drive the other way and the current way to go to school in Prescott. Good to see that it can be done electrically! I'm excited to do this drive in June to go back to CO for the summer!
Why every electrify america charger has 2 ccs plug when you can only use one per time
As a long term Tesla (2015) owner and now added a Taycan I can't say how disappointing the charging experience is on EA. Just took a trip to Florida Panhandle and the EA station had one 350 unit down charger down in Mississippi but Pensacola had only one 150kW working even though the App said that they are all available. It was like that for my return trip 7 days later and had to wait for the one unit to be available. I sure hope for Tesla to open up the SC network here in NA like they said they will.
I like gas better still 😅
No problem going across country in a M3LR.
@@outsideguy3633 I also have no problems doing long rang trips in my X from the Oregon coast to New Orleans twice per year. The user experience between the supercharger network and EA experience is night and day.
In electronics we think of voltage more as pressure. The current is the size of the conductor/pipe. The controller is the valve used to control flow.
Power is the same regardless of if you have 400v or 800v at the charging station, if the vehicle has a 400v system or 800v system. Power = voltage x current, or P = I * E. Higher voltage allows the current to be lower, which reduces cable size requirements and lowers heat loss, and voltage loss due to heat. High amounts of current flow produces heat, so increasing voltage, lowers current flow, and heat losses, but power doesn’t change. This is why you pay by the kilowatt, because power is not effected by changing voltage. Higher voltage is better for heat management, and is cheaper due to not requiring large conductors, but the gain in charging speed is pretty minor from 400v to 800v, unless the charge current is also increased, which again, would increase heat losses.
Kyle, I would take photos and send them to EA showing the limitation on each charger and see if they say it is only that one charger that has issues.
I learn a lot about EVs on your channel. Thanks
Oh hey, I recognize that charging station/Walmart in Albuquerque! Greetings from an Albuquerque resident.
I think the Rivian really surprised the market with it performance. Could I ever justify it fully spec.ed at just under $100k, no way. But it is quite a wonderful truck.
considering that it smokes a trx (90k+ well specced), or a corvette, on the road and on par off road, I would say it is a bargain relatively speaking
I feel the same way BUt if my 2020 model 3 performance continues to keep close to its value I might be ordering the 100k option early 2023 🤞
@@neburNight26 well, I have the same car as you and I can assure you it did not. 😂 wait…😢😢😢
@@justinstewart3248 it’s funny you should say that. I actually traded it in back in May for a model Y performance. It was at its peak value so it did work out for me 😃
I was at the Santa Fe charger today. That charger is still down.
On the EA / ABB charger limitation. Pull up the datasheet from the manufacturer and it seems to indicate that they're limited to 375A if they're connected to a single power cabinet. If they're connected to a dual power cabinet it says they're capable of 500A and both handles are usable on a single stall, I assume split between the two up to 500A.
As it is typical to Tesla Bjorn videos which initially inspired this channel a huge spot of a bug smashed on windshield is plaguing the video. That is not a problem of Kyle since usually at gas stations one can use special windshield cleaners while at charging stations everything is dry. I salute the approach to EV charging from Norway and UK where the gas stations have charging stations installed.
I bought an EV6 based on your videos, Tesla Bjørn’s and a couple others. Thanks for nerding out on the details, it matters for those of us playing in this space.
Driving home through DTC late at night... thank god I don't have to do that anymore.
Love the rivian!
I spent weeks waiting for the last part of this series 😍😍😍
How are the rivian headlights? Now that I’m in my 40s, headlight performance makes such a big difference. I can barely see anything w my Ioniq 5. Probably the worst headlights of any cars I’ve had in the past 15 yrs. My husbands polestar has amazing headlights.
You are officially my favorite Nerd, "lovingly stated :-)" I love all your videos. I still don't understand all that kilowatt talk though, but you make these videos fun to watch and I don't even own a EV (LOL). Keep up the great work and I will see you on your next one. Thank you for all you do!!!
I also leased a Polestar2 based on your reviews. Not the best road-tripper, I know, but for my needs in daily commuting it is a blast!
Good practical video 👍
Too bad you passed through Wagon Mound NM at night. You missed seeing one of the great landmarks of the old Santa Fe Trail. It's real easy to see during daylight - a mesa resembling a Conestoga wagon that was the last landmark on the Trail before reaching the end in Santa Fe, and from which the town got its name. I rode in a bicycle tour from Santa Fe to central Missouri (not on an EV bicycle!) and we spent a night camping at the high school there. I had to laugh at your charging stop since that Conoco station is where we stopped and picked up beer to drink (recharging?) when we arrived at the camping spot. But that was before the EA chargers were installed :)
Enjoyed going on the ride with you! Hope to go on more.
Just ordered an Ionic 5 yesterday watched all you videos and went to a dealer and they had one that I could test drive. Rwd lr......I couldn't get over how fast it went!! I didn't even put it in sports mode...will have to wait for it but that is OK.
Kyle. A quick vehicle wash might have helped with drag...
0:08 That license plate looks wild 😀
Wow a road tripping truck. Cant wait to see comparisons to the F150.
Love the design of the Rivian. Wish I could afford one.
As I understand it, the cover for the bed leaks, right?
The Rivian looks like a nearly perfect EV - power, comfort, space, range - it has it all ( I would love a 7KW or more inverter since it has such a large battery), wish I could get one, lol - Thanks for your review
Really looking forward to seeing how the curve looks with the pre-conditioning feature of the new OTA.
Escape is such a good Mau5trap song!!!
Hey there - my wife has a Polestar which we love although I wish Fort Collins had an Electrify America station. I have an R1T on order and am hoping the config I picked (which is supposedly being prioritized) means I'll get my paws on the Rivian before the end of the year. Will keep an eye out for you around town as I've not seen a Rivian "in the flesh" yet...
I can tell you were getting punchy at the end. lol Driving at night is tough but being past tired and driving is worse. Glad you made it back. Thanks for the ride along. Be well.
In the time spent activating an EA charger, my Tesla would have already gained 15 miles of range...and charged at 250kW to pull further ahead.
You know I was very interested in the cars themselves but this channel really disappoints not even one minute in and they’re already showing their biases
Good news regarding charging infrastructure on the AZ part of this route: Rivian has recently installed RAN fast chargers in both Flagstaff and Holbrook AZ, so 200+ kWh charging speeds are available to Rivians on that route between PHX and Gallup ⚡️⚡️⚡️
Also, because of the Holbrook RAN, driving that route in a Rivian you should now be able to take the faster route northeast out of Phoenix to Holbrook via Payson AZ, instead of going due north to Flagstaff. According to ABRP this shortcut now shaves nearly an hour off of the trip.
Where is the nearest car wash?
Wow, that charger in Trinidad was actually . . . iced!
43:35 I've been seeing that happen recently. I pulled in front of a charger that appeared available, but the EA app listed it as unavailable. I couldn't even swipe to activate the charger on the app, but just having the app open and using the NFC in my phone activated the charger without issue.
18:59 With that sort of elevation increase, I like shooting for Winslow with Flagstaff as a backup, but I just sort of wing my charging stops on road trips anyway.
24:30 And this explains why I keep arriving places with less than 3% battery...
The thing I love about road tripping my Tesla Model 3 is that I can get a peak of 250kW and the car only uses about 240Wh/mile so my charging stops are stupidly short. I can typically hop chargers with 12-15 minutes per stop.
The smaller battery helps with that too. I love it!
Dumb question - any links to driving montage music? Most I can capture with a song search but google shrugged its shoulders at the one used for the last three trips and I need that in my favorites for work!
You must really get paid well to afford your Tesla, Smart EV, and now looking at a Rivian. Big Bucks
HOW MUCH TIME did you need now for 880 miles incl charging??? I can't find out .....
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Love the breakdown on the amperage limitations! Super dumb issue to have haha. Honestly I hope that, as we start transitioning more to EV's, the government starts requiring standardization between pack voltage "tiers" and charger station capabilities. I doubt it would happen for a long time, but the charging infrastructure is reallyyy holding things back.
that hood front corner looks fitted to tesla specs! :--P
Part 3 😁
EDIT: I jumped the gun on your explanation, which was right on.
Voltage is the pipe? I would potentially disagree. According to Ohm's law, voltage is represented by "E" which is allegedly short for Electromotive Force. I would say voltage, in a discussion about charging would maybe be explained as pressure. The charger, like and air compressor inflating a tire, must overcome the voltage or 'pressure' of the pack for current to flow. The pipe analogy would maybe be represented by current, or amperage...speed of air through hose? lol. The combination of current and voltage results in wattage or.... CFM? I dunno. Just spouting stuff I recall from electronics class in HS. Thanks for the vids!
This testing was before Rivian updated the charging curve, correct?
25:50 Any thoughts on jumping to the other 350 kW in these circumstances? Sometimes it doesn't make sense, but if there's a potential for a ~30% increase in charging speeds, it seems worth it to verify. Plus it gives you a reason to report it on PlugShare and get EA's attention about insufficient power.
i see where the new hummers take 4 days to charge on regular house current lol so was this trip based on one day being 24hrs since you must have had to spend considerable time charging
Long-distance travel in an EV is still a pain. They have you covered if you have a Tesla, but otherwise, what a hassle! It is going to take time before charging becomes faster and more reliable. I am glad there are people like you that show us what we are in for on long trips if we own an EV. Now that EVs are being produced in more significant numbers, we will need a more robust charging infrastructure for the average American to consider an EV as their primary vehicle. Hopefully, government initiatives and funding will help to resolve these issues.
Tesla is the only truly capable long distance road trip car based both on the car's efficiency and the amazing Supercharger network.
@@oisiaa Agreed, we are still a few years away from a genuinely gas-station-like experience with electrics. Even the Ford CEO acknowledged the other day that the charging infrastructure sucks. Tesla remains the champ in charging, they really have no competition. For everyday driving around town, EVs are great and as long as the distances are less than 200 miles and a home charger is available. But for long trips, the hassle of charging and the insecurity of the chargers working is just not worth it.
EV charging has gotten significantly better since Kyle made this video. Much of the Tesla Supercharger network will open to Rivians and other CCS vehicles in 2024. Furthermore Rivian has since installed multiple fast chargers along this route that allow charging power over 200 kW.
As a side note, here’s some food for thought:
That tall mountain in the video at (22:38 and 22:50) is the tallest mountain in Arizona. The wonderful, historic city of Flagstaff, 85k residents, one of Arizona’s three public universities, northern Arizona’s only level one trauma hospital sit at the base of that mountain. The mountain is sacred to multiple indigenous tribes and is home to Arizona’s best ski area. The mountain has unfortunately burned significantly (about 25%) from multiple, major, catastrophic wildfires over the last 15 years resulting in floods unlike anything Flagstaff has seen in its 140 year history. Experts attribute these recent, frequent, catastrophic fires and flooding to climate change.
Many Flagstaff neighborhoods, schools, and businesses have since been inundated by annual flooding as a result of the fires, not to mention the devastation to the natural environment. Flagstaff’s flood control district just released a study estimating the economic impact of future catastrophic fires on this mountain are expected to cost at least another 2 BILLION dollars and flood thousands more Flagstaff homes. Flagstaff and the many other people and places all over the world are being devastated by climate change. A few extra minutes of charging on a road trip to help solve this problem is truly a small price to pay in reality. I’ve been road tripping EVs since 2017 and charging (especially in Tesla compatible NACS vehicles) is a piece of cake now.
@@e2dub I have been to Flagstaff and it is indeed a beautiful place. I am glad to hear that your charging experience has been good using the Tesla chargers. Now what we need are some affordable EVs with decent range and we will be off to the races.
Seems to me that when you are limited by charger current you would be better off not discharging so deeply as you would get more power delivered at a slightly higher battery voltage.
Hello from Greeley. I have a Tesla M3 2021 and I was wondering which app is the best for knowing where the chargers are and knowing your battery on a trip or is just using the Tesla nav the best?
Do you have to manually close the charge port every time or can you just get in and put the truck in drive and the charge port will close automatically?
Thanks for the video on Real World Charging my son and I watch your videos together. We are going electric soon.
interesting that you aren't doublechecking the dash planner with EA's app to verify the charger capacities and status ahead of your route.
Kyle could you confirm my logic. If I have a larger pack version of any vehicle wouldn't it allow me to road trip faster based on the fact I can charge faster overall. What I mean is if the charging curve starts to tapper at 80% wouldn't that mean 80 % of any extra cells would always charge faster. what is your opinion of how much the larger pack Rivian could decrease the time over a 500 mile trip?
I wish we had something like EA in Canada. Barely any CCS fast charging. Hopefully by the time I’m ready to buy a Rivian the charging network will catch up. For now, I’m very happy with my model 3; you just can’t beat the supercharger network.
How hot do those black seats get when sitting in the sun? Does Rivian have cabin overheat protection?
So in a nutshell, how much time was spent at the chargers?
Great end to your road trip series. Regarding the Rivian, I really wish they'd went with Android Automotive OS to have more accurate route planning + Google Maps. At least they should allow the option of Android Auto & Apple CarPlay so drivers can use Google Maps or Waze on the center screen if they want. That's the one major issue keeping me from recommending Teslas or Rivians to anyone. Is there any way to force the Rivian to show battery percentage instead of estimated range in the navigation? At least battery percentage is shown prominently elsewhere, but it would be nice to see an estimate percentage on arrival.
How many miles, how many hours, how many kWh used and how many dollars was that trip?
Battery is not warm enough? What, the battery heating system needs a software update?
Where's the stats? It looks like the performance was about the same as an F-150 ($4 gas) but with 2-3 hours of refueling tme. Your enthusiasm is getting in the way of a factual review.
So, according to the sticker on the charging station it can do up to 920VDC at up to 500A. Does that mean that in theory a car could be made that could charge at up to 460 kilowatts? What sort of limitations exist in the current 800V EVs (Taycan, E-Tron GT, Hyundai) that limit them to 250-270 kilowatts?
Kyle, do you know a website that has the specs for voltage and current max rates for every EV model? It would be useful for comparisons.
@kyle has EA got back to you about the 350 amp limitation?
10:00 Wait, three out of four EA chargers are working!?!? I was told that that's not possible!
14:22 Wait, four out of four? That's definitely unpossible!
As Barney would say, "It's possimpible"
Yeah, a lot of people like to complain about EA a lot when it is usually user error and not the charger's fault if there's an issue. At the Wagon Mound charger, some people with T-Mobile complain that they can't activate in the app with no cell signal -- they don't know they can put their phone with NFC up to the charger.
You left Phoenix at 7 o'clockish, what time did you get home?
Hearing you talk about getting 145kWh and sounding sad is making me question my Lightning order that will be built in the week of 5/9. I have a 19ft travel trailer (5k lbs) that I want to take about 600 miles from my house and I know I'll be lucky to get 150 miles out of it. So that means I'll have to charge it about 3 times if I want to get their on empty. That means I'll add about 3 hrs to my already long drive. Ugh, maybe I'll just wait until battery tech can get better and we're able to charge at 1,000 kWh. Or if I can tow and get 300 miles going from 80% SOC to 20% SOC and able to charge it back to 80% SOC in 15 mins then that would be great too.
What's the mile/kWh efficiency on each leg?
Does the charge cover not auto close when you set off?
How many miles is 1% ? Lets say the Rivian R1T has 4% charge left. How far can you still drive in case the charge station is out of service?
H ow much total charging time did you spend?
So all those charging stations and not one could give you more than what, 133 kW ?
those charge rate limits have to be due to the grid needing to throttle the charger down....the grid can't handle the draw if the chargers were all in use, so they are limited...
So, you bypassed Flagstaff?
Watching this video has appears that the cost per mile for electricity compared to gas for my mini van is not much different. Think I will keep my van for a wile.
In the Twin Cities Tweakers are stealing the charging cord
i\Im kinda new to EV road trips, but im assuming if this was in Tesla model 3 LR there would be quite a few less charging stops?
How much do you think a well driven Rivian R1T will cost off lease in a few years?
How does the cost at EA chargers compare to Tesla chargers?
If you were going 65 instead of 80, how much further would you go and having to charge fewer times make up for the difference in speed? I'm guessing higher speed with more charging still gets you there faster. Pity time is such a overwhelming need as so much energy is wasted at that speed.
If you drive, say, 200mi at 65 it will take 3 hours and 4 minutes. If you drive 200 at 80 it will take about 34 minutes less, at 2 hours and 30 mins. At 1000mi the difference is nearly 3 hours. That’s a fair chunk of time for charging.
Most times the charger replenishes faster than the car uses up extra battery for higher speed, so it's worthwhile to go faster and charge more. You can model it with ABetterRoutePlanner, go to settings (top left 3-bar) menu, Speed, set Reference Speed>100%, and re-plan... see what difference it makes.
All depends what folks want to do, arrive faster but charge/spend more, or enjoy scenery :)
Yes Out of Spec Motoring is the reason I decided on the Ionic 5 rather than the EV6, as you pointed out it drives great and offers better space than the EV6, something that we want in an EV! My hit is that I had to release my EV6 which I reserved, came in about back 4 weeks ago and now my Ionic has been pushed from May delivery to October. But my EV6 in Canada comes with a dark interior no light interior option, go figure Kia, we in Canada have very dark winters and could use a little lighter interior! option? The other thing is the Hyundai dealer is giving me about what I paid for my purchased new 2019 Kia Soul EV Luxury after the Federal EV incentives, Kia not so much even though I bought a 2020 Soul EV Limited from the same Kia dealer, go figure! At least both dealers are sticking to MSRP!
I bought an EV6 and love it but I may get an Ioniq 5 for the wifey.
The $30 of electricity gets you how many miles? At the current gas price I can about 250 miles for that price. What’s the comparison?
1% 😳. Never road trip my M3P get lower than 10. 😅
Seems like the charging network in the US is the bigges holdback for ev's at the moment.
Exactly. Hotels should offer level 2
All the Rivian coverage has been super helpful. I'm in the queue, but likely won't get mine until 23. I think I'm going to have to keep a gas vehicle for the long road trips though, especially as these chargers get more and more crowded.
Rivian seems to be extremely conservative on the battery, recommending 70% daily charge and only charging at ~1.5C max.