Economy And Trade Relations On Tamriel - The Elder Scrolls Lore
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Once more a very specific topic, but as long time viewers know, I love those the most. I really hope you enjoyed the video. I really enjoyed making it :)
@Rick K Then you will be glad I intend to make 2 follow up videos as I mention in the end of the video haha (No promises when, I have SO MANY subjects I have to do but I am going to try to bring them as quick as possible without getting too much off track)
@Rick K Thanks for the support :)
@@ImperialKnowledge It's Blacklight not Blackrose. Though I myself called Jehanna as Jeranna...So I'm no better then thee.
Something I've been thinking of in terms of the economy is that in Skyrim you can learn an alteration spell called Transmute Mineral Ore, that transmutes iron ore into silver and silver into gold. So we know this magic exists. Yet it doesn't seem to be used to aid the economic power of any of the major players in Tamriel. Or anyone except the player character in Skyrim.
Could this spell be some rare form of alteration magic, now lost to the ages that no one knows about? You'd think that with the power to transmute iron into silver and gold, people would be hiring adept alteration mages all over to gain wealth. The spell tome is not for sale anywhere in the game, and can only be found in an old tomb and in a bandit camp (the bandits probably had no idea what knowledge that book held).
From a lore-design perspective such a spell can entirely flip the economic system if it was common knowledge. So is it a lost art, or perhaps the findings of one talented alteration mage who never shared his discovery with the world? It would be interesting to hear your thoughts on this, and maybe what kind of impact the Transmute spell would have on the economy if it was put to practice on a large scale by one of the large factions.
Yes, transmute is a problem. But I suspect it would be illigal and a very hard spell to use. If it were done on mass scalr it would be a big problem though
I've thought about that to, if that spell was used on a large scale it would cause hell to the gold based economy of the empire. Because the more gold and silver there is the less valuable it is.
As for the bandit camp you fined the spell in, I believe the chief was onto the secrets of the spell. Because in the area you find the spell there is a few chunks of iron ore and one chunk of silver ore.
FulgrimClone #8675309 Good catch! Yeah, he might’ve been on to trying to figure it out. I believe it is listed as an adept level spell, so it’s not too difficult to use hypothetically.
If it was a known spell then it would be illegal for sure. But I don’t think it is a known spell, because it makes gold and silver drop in value based on the amount of iron you could obtain. So at risk of devaluing the currency you’d think they would just switch to a mineral or material you cannot simply make more of by transmuting iron ore.
If it was a known spell though, how might it be used in war time to effect the economy? And could the Dominion have used it to pay the Empire after signing the concordat?
Most settings that have metal transmutation magic/tech make it excedingly rare and restricted.
Also I think a decent mage or very experienced smith could tell the gold was counterfeit or at least tempered with
@@AlshainFR But would transmuted material be any less valuable than untampered gold or silver? Would there be any characteristics that would have an affect on wether they could be used interchangeably? What is to stop someone from mass transmuting materials illegally? Or for perhaps a province to do it on a major scale should they be faced with an international crisis?
Very interesting. 🙂 Im making a immersion overhaul and im going to be rebalancing the economy. So this is useful background information. 🙂
Nice!
How is it going so far?
Hows it going?
Any help or support wanted. I haven’t made anything for the nexus but I’ve done a few random things on the creation kit. Not a pro but happy to help
There are Banks in Tamriel, though they don't really work like real life ones. We actually have an example of one in Markarth. The silver blood family Treasury kinda operates like a bank in many ways as they give loans and such from there.
Would be cool if the high elves used glass coins like their armor
That is an amazing idea. Like instead of gold coins, glass coins. Instead of silver coins moonstone coins
Imperial Knowledge Yeah exactly, like every country used something important to their traditions or culture
Bosmeri coins: Made from the bones of their fallen enemies :)
@@Jonas_æ Bosmeri coins: Made from the bones of their fallen FAMILLY :^p
Altmer stuff just needs glass in general. Glass everywhere! Maybe glass-inlaid moonstone?
Damn, Venetians are everywhere.
Lol
Thanks. Now I know more about politics and economics more in elder scrolls than in real life.
Which is much better :P
Empire and Dominion would have to sell bonds best and only way to curtail inflation and keep currency value high. Dominion with long-lived Altmer would have the lowest interest rates probably 0.05 %
Empire would probably have 2.5% interest rates.
Hmhm Interesting! Unfortunately I did not come up with that as I am not that economically educated. This video is just hobby work haha
Bond market would be fun in ESO. Think about having ability to influence in game currency by purchasing bonds from local nobles and bankers.
That existed in Daggerfall I believe. A lot of really sick rpg stuff did actually that we lost in morrowind, though honestly the lore changes in mw made it better imo
Most of the routes you covered were maritime so what about the presence of pirates? In skirim and Oblivion we get to see some pirate boats and its crews on the coast.
Unfortunately we don't get an indication of pirate impact on trade around tamriel. We do get some data about skyrim and the sea of ghosts, but not much else unfortunately
@@ImperialKnowledge Hammerfell is famous for its pirates, I'd argue western Tamriel is a threat to trade lanes if not properly defended.
The "I'm the boss" made me like the video right after hearing it
Damn that's an interresting subject !
Yeah I found it too to be very interesting!
The Abbecean sea is so much more important than basically anywhere else regarding trade shipping. The onlyother area that gets flooded with routes is Black Marsh. As for the Argonians' relationship with the Empire vs the Dominion, they don't trust the elves, but they have an actual distaste for the Empire. They don't want to ally with either, but if push comes to shove the Dominion would be their preferred choice, as they haven't wronged the argonians before, whereas the argonians see the Empire as invaders and tyrants.
His working definition of Trade is only International Trade centrally planned and regulated from each nations ruling class.
I really like this channel and the fact that it covers lore that you cany find anywhere else. I'm bored of hearing about talos becoming a god every 10 minutes
I'm looking to make a new build that focuses on Magic and trading. Any ideas, races, tips, or mods?
Imperial alteration mage. Get transmute spell in a bandit hunting camp north west of whiterun. Boom.
Invest in Alchemy, it is a highly profitable skill. Which also opens up the path to better enchanting and smithing so more wealth to be had there if you choose to combine it all.
Also choosing an Imperial would be fitting, considering they're more charismatic than the usual races. And they find more wealth when dungeon diving.
As for example, my current character has 100 in all 3 skills, and with materials numbering around 2000, I can get 5 times that amount if I choose the correct enchantments. Although I would resort to potions more often to earn wealth, easier to carry and all.
I think you're wrong about the green trade routes since the Aldmeri Dominion and Hammerfell never brokered a peace agreement. It's even stated in the game that they're still at war with one another. The Redguards are extremely capable warriors, especially in their own lands. Which is why the Dominion couldn't bring enough forces to conquer to Cyrodil
They are at peace, search for "second treaty of stros mkai
Morrowwind is independant if you ask me, as in TES 5 Skyrim if your on Solsthiem and speaking to the chancellor or vice chancellor they talk about the great houses of Morrowwind governing and not the empire. Plus if Morrowwind were part of the empire then when the Argonians were invading the empire would have had to help and not leave the defence of Morrowwind up to house Redoran. Because if Morrowind was an imperial Province and Blackmarsh attacked them that would mean war between the empire and Blackmarsh, not just Morrowind and Blackmarsh like they describe it in TES 5.
ok but who asked ¿
I like most of your videos, this one a bit less. I think the trade routs map is not that accuret and simply a bit too one sided.
2) i think the septim is more of a weight in gold, similar to the norse/viking silver use. Simply because that way, 1 Dominian eagle and one septim, one what ever from which ever province... Is worth more or less the same because of its weight and not an exchange rate they can't keep track of, or agree on.
Branching off into the ''economy'' part of the vid, do you think there's a possibility for a video on what resources, products, etc. certain provinces would import/export?
Like, Morrowind has a bunch of Ebony, so certainly they'd be exporting that, probably to the Empire who desires to make their army strong.
Cyrodiil would probably export food, due to its rich farmland.
Etc.
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the east empire co. has a port in windhelm, and as such it must be red, not blue. i reason this because the blue line does not reach windhelm.
No because when Skyrim starts the Windhelm office has been excluded from most trade by the company because of the raids. Its essentially out of business until you put it back in business again after the quest rise in the east.
Imperial Knowledge However, in oblivion and Morrowind you can find many EETC locations on the trading map
All I know about Tamriel is that the roads suck, there are bandits everywhere and monsters and wildlife are constantly attacking you. How anyone lives outside a city let alone trades anything is beyond me.
I am sure that you will update this video when Elder Scrolls 6 been officially released.
did you ever make a video on the 2nd era economy? it would be cool cause im roleplaying a dunmer pact soldier rn
Khajiit simply wishes to sell his goods, in a decent economy
Which race is the most capitalist and individualistic?
Hadn't noticed this map yet, what a gem indeed.
One very odd thing stands out: the red line makes a very deliberate route via the Inner Sea and seams to make port at , what used to be, Vivec City (actually faring through Scathing Bay) but leaves Ebonheart alone. The land around the impact site is still uninhabitable, right?
Are they visiting to trade/scavenge magical relics?
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Very interesting vid about Tamriel's rich economy! ^^
Very obscure, and very interesting.
Thanks for the good content.
1 serving of water 1 solid gold coin 😈
The sloath trade routes are missing
There aren't no to long Videos on the elder scrolls
5:32 come again?
I would like to see a brake down of the treaty Morrowind-Septim.
Excellent video, very interesting!!! Looking forward to more like these! Cheers
Interestingly, if you're correct, IK, the ALDMERI trade route is the one that goes inside the sea of ghosts, making it much more important in Morrowind than the imperial trade route. Maybe the Dominion is trying to sway the various houses of Morrowind to support them?
Could be
Great video.I love your videos about economics on Tamriel
Is there any information on the ocean geography of Tamriel?
And that is why Skyrim isn't safe after a Stormcloack victory, Cause the Thalmor will be using their super navi to cross the Sea and burn skyrim down. (Or not ?)
Among other things.
The biggest problem is the local support for the Legion, the Forsworn in the Reach, and Skyrim's dire state of economy following the Civil War. With no trade partners, getting deals will be difficult, as the Stormcloaks would probably ask prices that are totally unreasonable when compared to the other provinces of Tamriel.
Skyrim is going to be in real trouble no matter who wins the civil war, both sides are bad for Skyrim. Which is nothing new, having a game set in your province of Tamriel ha been terrible for you in all TES games except Daggerfall. In Daggerfall the warp in the west led to a peace in High Rock. But in Morrowind, they get the red year and the Argonian invasion. In Oblivion, Cyrodiil loses power, most of the provinces become independent, and they get punched by the Thalmor. I fully expect TES6 to tell us that since TES5, things have gone really badly in Skyrim.
where the fuck is the imperial city
Not on the map for some reason, that is for sure
@@ImperialKnowledge It pulled an Artaeum and poofed out of existence
Man I really appreciate these vids.
Theoretically if the Stormcloaks were to be victorious, how would their trade work, would they prosper and what type of currency would they use
Probably their trade would be handled, maritimely, by the shatter shields as mentioned in the video. Other than that I mention some things in my civil war economy video if I remember correctly
Imperial Knowledge though I am a firm Imperial supporter I am always eager to listen to the opposition and their possibilities. Thanks for telling me
It probably wouldn't work that great. With a full-blown war with the Empire, their trade lanes are probably going to get raided constantly, and with Skyrim fresh from Civil war, the goods exported from Skyrim would cost an unreasonable amount of coin, especially because they also have to rebuild their land, deal with Legion stragglers and finish off the Forsworn, all endevours that cost a lot of coin.
Is anyone hyped for the Beyond Skyrim Project?
From a game perspective, very much!
From a lore perspective not so much, since I get a lot of trolls saying "this lore is canon because its in beyond skyrim" but that is not how anything works, it isnt canon
@@ImperialKnowledge I'm so hyped ,their saying even the cyrodil project it's self is like a huge file simaliar to Skyrim, and once it comes out perhaps the modding community can just start making submods for it. Because I'll admit Skyrim the region on tameriel is getting somewhat boring.
So why there is no skooma in my neighborhood? I hate my country economy
Skooma is outlawed you filthy skooma addict! :P
Make some khajiit friends. They'll hook you up.
Imperial kwonlegde from which country are you
I believe he's dutch.
Or German
I am dutch
Thanks papa
YW
Bethesda could do an anarcocapitalist quest (someone that defends the end of the government and the reign of the free market)... it would be awesome!
I'd like to know how bosmer trade works
Well we know they have to import all their wood, since the green pact prevents them from chopping trees in valenwood. So everything has to be imported. I think that is the biggest factor in valenwood trade
@Rick K Good observation, from the top of my head a lot of them are on a strict meat diet. But I can imagine food being a big part of the import too! Nice catch!
Imperial Knowledge Idk if u concider eso cannon enough to get a broader sense of eco omics or trade but I was digging around in malabal tor and greenshade and found out that treeminders and treethanes are the ones who oversee settlement trade and money , I also know that altmer settlements have envoys from auridon that come in and the high elven "kinladys" act as a sort of chancelors of trade between the bosmer settlements and their respective treethanes,
Its like if in skyrim, appointed Thanes of a hold were in charge of domestic trade between other holds
I'm not sure how it works with other provinces. But it seems like the different regions of valenwood has similar but different hierarchy of trade. Most of the merchants and traders I see in valenwood are nonelven and reside in altmer towns, complaining how hard it is to make money because bosmer would rather trade with meats and hides than with gold which they don't really use a lot or have in abundance of. Also, the altmer have been trying to install their own currency, a glass slate that is like identification of money earned. That's not going so well for them.
In the towns like elden root and falenesti, speakers hired by spinners would patrol and inspect houses and camps of any non meat mandated materials. The higher your political and social status , the less lenient these things are. If you are found to have broken the pact, it is charged that your family must be responsible for your execution and .. ... Disposal...
This is just what I've learned today running around talking to certain people
@Rick K People in Valenwood exclusively eat meat, as shown in the book series "a dance in fire" I believe it's called (it's good, give it a try, it's the source of basically 100% of bosmer lore), even foreigners eat basically only meat to avoid insulting the bosmer, though they tend to import foreign meat stuff.
As for bosmer trade in general, they mostly barter. They use imperial coins, but they don't really understand their value. Bosmer from Valenwood are very easy to scam, they don't understand the value of things not made in Valenwood and tend to overestimate the value of wooden items, as well as completely misunderstand what they are for to begin with. Most bosmer live very tribally and don't have a real economy, they produce or exchange things they need, and they'e famously very lazy at doing that to begin with.