NOTE: all shoe shopping was done in 2022 - i'm behind on videos :) ** Watch More Videos ** I Tried Zone 2 Training for 3 Months. This Happened: th-cam.com/video/VAsYTcBdtOg/w-d-xo.html How I Fixed My Running Form | Marathon Prep: th-cam.com/video/2JV0ujzDggc/w-d-xo.html I Tested the Top 5 Running Watches | Marathon Prep: th-cam.com/video/kyEfwiANrfk/w-d-xo.html
The digital foot scan is such a game changer. Found out my foot left foot was smaller than my right but good thing is I’ve been getting the right size regardless
I worked with Fleet Feet for 10 years as a fitter and manager. Great company and they (unlike some) never focused on upselling customers. Goal was to get them in what they need (sometimes want) and help them stay injury-free. For the record, the foot scanning devices are a novelty though one thing they are useful for is determining foot volume, I.e. do you need a wide shoe or one with more depth. Otherwise, spotting pronation and supination can be done in any seasoned fitter’s sleep.
Looks like you went with the Clifton’s! So far those have been my go to shoe for 6miles to marathon. Also help my feet feeling fine at 250lbs short fella.
I liked this video but 330miles isn’t completely over wearing those shoes. The type of foam in the Speed3 can last 400-500 it depends on a lot of things like where you strike, your weight, the terrain you’ve been running on, etc. a good judge is whether the midsole (foam) still feels responsive or bouncy. If it’s lost the cushion or bounce it’s time to replace them but going strictly off of mileage isn’t a good indicator
Insoles are a total upsell. Running shoe stores make huge margins & all sales staff are trained to make the same sales pitch. I encourage everyone to do their homework first before walking into a store.
You are sooooo right! I worked at a shoe store near Dallas and if you didn't push an insole, you got on the managers naughty list! Unless you severely pronate they are not needed! A pure gimmick!
I just went to Fleet Feet on Sunday and they did the foot scan, but after seeing the conflicting results in your video -- now I'm wondering if its accurate. Although, I did bring in my old running shoes so they did see where they were getting wear on them - which helped confirm the scan results. I ended up going with New Balance 860s, they are comfortable - only ran once with them but they feel way better than my old ones
I’m on my second pair of Hokas here my take. They are super squishy and I disagree that the foam is durable. After a couple of runs or daily wear the foam on both pairs have chipped away. Still on the search for the right pair.
Entertaining video. It’s hard finding a running shoe salesperson who really knows what they are doing, especially since the vendors have cut back on regional representatives who used to spend more time educating people about their offerings. It’s similar to learning to buy correctly fitting motorcycle helmets. “Feels good” doesn’t cut it. After painful experience, I think the biggest thing is to retire running shoes at the earliest sign that the supportive foam is giving way, allowing your feet to roll off on one side or another.
Reminds me of when I was looking to get a Motorcycle Helmet. You like the look of certain designs but in reality if they are uncomfortable it's not an option.
A proper gait analysis will film you running slowmo and check achilles and knee alignment etc. pronation doesnt always require support like the first guy said. Race shoes are neutral so supportive shoes should only really be used if absolutely needed
My tip is to go to a place where they not only check your feet, but also your hips when running. Static scans of your feet are good, but running happens in your hips. If you’re not in line, anti pron or insoles won’t help you.
As usual, top notch video! 👏 Just released a video today on barefoot zero-drop and i did briefly mention pronation as a reason to hold off on going full speed ahead with barefoot. I would recommend the Altra Escalante 3 for zero-drops as they have a wide toe box, great shoe.
To be fair, no one should go full speed ahead into barefoot shoes. I overpronate and took things slow, as recommended. I also changed my gait in that time. Now 5 months later, I don't need support anymore, but there's still plenty of work to do.
I’ve seen stuff about going between different heel toe drops. Alternating can “possibly” decrease injuries. High drop puts more pressure on knees and hips. Low drops put pressure on shins and ankles. I have no idea how true this is but it’s an interesting thought. I might give it a try.
Getting the best shoes is a tricky combination of objective and subjective components. You can get the specs and numbers that are in the range of your preference but what’s equally important is to try them on and find the one with the best “feeling” for you.
I've worn out several pairs of all three brands running, and the Brooks are by-far the best suited for me. Under Armour is the best looking though, that I buy just for strutting around with my Lady.
I've experienced similar, having one shop tell me I was pronating, and another saying I wasn't - both from watching me run. I don't see how they can even tell if you're pronating just from a scan of ths shape of your foot, that first guy sounds like he's making it up. But I definitely like your approach. Personally I try to find a few different shoes, like one that's more cushioned for long runs, and a shoe that's maybe a bit mroe bouncy for faster runs. Currently I alternate between Saucony Triumph 20s and New Balance 1080s for my longer runs, and Asics Novablasts for something faster. But I'm committed to none and I try something different everytime I go in. Great video! Will definitely get the Louboutins!
I will say this.., keep track of the mileage on your shoes.., as a heavier runner myself.. I take an additional 50-75 miles, off from there expected life. because let’s be real, few running shoes are made for those above 180 lbs… Keep up the great work
Nice video and a perfect advise! I will definitely check out the shoe store. Surprised that shirt was on in the store, Mr. Shirtless Shervin (I am just joking). Appreciate your content.
honestly, i don't think going to a running store and getting sales advice as a beginner is a good idea. Maybe, that was a good idea 20 years ago. Nowadays, we have the internet & TH-cam. I'd suggest doing a bunch of research ahead of time, decide on a budget to narrow down your options, then do the best you can by finding those shoes in stores and trying them on. Some online retailers offer free returns, so one can even try on shoes with little risk. Gait/foot/running analysis for a beginner runner is overrated, in my opinion. Comfort & price are the most important factors for the new runner. As one becomes a more experienced runner, then you can consider foot/gait/running analysis if necessary.
I think knowing how to run properly would be valuable information since it would lead to fewer injuries. Knowing what your problems are and learning how to fix them is valuable information. It's not what a beginner wants to hear, because they just wanna get the shoes and go running, but it's not that simple. When switching to barefoot shoes, I had to change my gait because I overpronate. If I kept my bad habits, I wouldn't have gotten this far.
@@jicalzad agreed on that, because they’re most focused on making the sale. Running a few meters back and forth in a store does not tell you much about your running form. Doing the research on YT and testing shoes myself was perfectly fine. And in store there is a bigger chance of ending up with colorways you don’t like. They always seem to not have the color you want in the right size haha.
For me Best are : Asics superblast /Saucony Endorphin speed 3 / Hoka mach 5 / Adidas adizero Boston 12. But new models update are coming up soon. I got the puma velocity nitro 2 (amazing). if u can give us feedback on the clifton. I really want to try the superblast but they are too expensive.
Went to a fleet feet and typically wear barefoot shoes all other hours. They kept pushing insoles which don’t really make any sense to me. I now just run in xeros which took some time getting used to but no pain or anything. Don’t run as fast since I’m missing tons of bounce but I’m just training to be heathy and not race. Great video!
i main brooks ghost, but i also run in xeros and new balances. as a heavier person, i swap shoes every run, but yeah, every 6 months to a year, gotta retire one pair.
Feels like the stores didn't stress enough that different shoes are optimized for different purposes and, if you're putting down serious mileage, it can be good to have a rotation. You don't need or want carbon stiffeners and really snappy foam when you're doing your zone 2s and easy days, but a more aggressive energy efficient shoe will be good for speed work and race day at the cost of being rougher on your body. It's one thing if you're 120lbs and almost always in your race shoes, and another thing if you're 150lbs looking to keep up your mileage. 180lbs+ is like an entirely different universe of trying to make sure you're injury free.
Socks definitely change how ur feet naturally stand cuz I definitely notice my feet scrunch up when I wear socks. So id trust bare feet scale over the sock scale
Hey! Curious question, I notice a lot of videos you speak about the benefits of the wider toebox and how you like Altra for that reason - I don’t consider myself to have a wide foot - but I found the Clifton’s (that I think you bought in this video) quite narrow in the toebox - did you get the wider fit version..? Apologies for the super long question, also open to anyone who can answer! Thanks! 😊
Every running store is different. I worked at Jack Rabbit/ Fleet Feet and also at Dicks.The take away from the foot scan is 2 things... 1. Length of foot and most importantly length of arch and 2. Arch Height. You can have them emailed from the machine. You can use them for reference. If by chance, your sales person is a runner, you found the right sales person. Get more into detail. What are you using the shoe for, races coming up, how many miles per week, which shoes have you used in the past, any nagging injuries! The guy who had you walk was looking to see how your knee, ankle and foot impact with each step. A good salesperson can easily see if your arch collapses inward or you walk on the outside of your feet, etc. Insoles??? 98,% time no! They are a salesperson gimmick to sell you more! Unless you drastically pronate inwards! Fleet Feet and Brooklyn looked pretty good! Also, if you are unsure, don't buy until you do research! Remember the shoes they suggested and check out reviews online! Great Video! Good Luck everyone!
That one salesperson that mentioned Very Little cotton. She nailed it! Cotton in socks absorbs sweat and can cause blisters! Features and Balloga are two really good brands. Don't be afraid to read the package. It says what they are made from.
I tried boston 12s in store on a treadmill for a couple hundred meters and my feet cramped a little but I loved the feel. I really got on my toes and the foam was wild. I came from the glycerin 20s and I'm not sure if I should go for them. also, anyone know any deals for boston 12 in canada?
well worn out shoes is to me a bs sales scam, sure they will not be performing the same way as a new shoe but with correct run form that should not matter
Everyone has some pronation. The issue is when you have over pronation or supination so you have to get a stability shoe that helps stabilize the ankle so you don’t get injuries.
I actually made my injuries worse going with a shoe from a running store like fleet feet. Those stores are scams. Order online, try them at home, return if not great.
Altra has increasingly become more and more narrow... even their 'wide' lasts of shoes are. not what they used to be. The best Altra's for wide feet are the Lone Peak (trail) and Escalante Racer (road, speed shoe). I have since switched to Topo which makes 'wide toe box' shoes. Although, they do have a heel-toe drop of roughly 3-5mm which I sacrifice for the width.
Good and efficient running form will prevent more injuries than fitting/trying a million shoes. Do a video on getting a running form evaluation by a *Physical Therapist*.
Your content is awesome but you’ve totally bought into the industrial complex where bigger, newer, first world is best. The rationale on the pseudo science leads to a gigantic waste of money.
NOTE: all shoe shopping was done in 2022 - i'm behind on videos :)
** Watch More Videos **
I Tried Zone 2 Training for 3 Months. This Happened: th-cam.com/video/VAsYTcBdtOg/w-d-xo.html
How I Fixed My Running Form | Marathon Prep: th-cam.com/video/2JV0ujzDggc/w-d-xo.html
I Tested the Top 5 Running Watches | Marathon Prep: th-cam.com/video/kyEfwiANrfk/w-d-xo.html
The digital foot scan is such a game changer. Found out my foot left foot was smaller than my right but good thing is I’ve been getting the right size regardless
One day we’ll get custom shoes for both feet
I worked with Fleet Feet for 10 years as a fitter and manager. Great company and they (unlike some) never focused on upselling customers. Goal was to get them in what they need (sometimes want) and help them stay injury-free.
For the record, the foot scanning devices are a novelty though one thing they are useful for is determining foot volume, I.e. do you need a wide shoe or one with more depth. Otherwise, spotting pronation and supination can be done in any seasoned fitter’s sleep.
Looks like you went with the Clifton’s! So far those have been my go to shoe for 6miles to marathon. Also help my feet feeling fine at 250lbs short fella.
I liked this video but 330miles isn’t completely over wearing those shoes. The type of foam in the Speed3 can last 400-500 it depends on a lot of things like where you strike, your weight, the terrain you’ve been running on, etc. a good judge is whether the midsole (foam) still feels responsive or bouncy. If it’s lost the cushion or bounce it’s time to replace them but going strictly off of mileage isn’t a good indicator
Insoles are a total upsell. Running shoe stores make huge margins & all sales staff are trained to make the same sales pitch. I encourage everyone to do their homework first before walking into a store.
100%. I feel only a very small % of people actually need them.
You are sooooo right! I worked at a shoe store near Dallas and if you didn't push an insole, you got on the managers naughty list! Unless you severely pronate they are not needed! A pure gimmick!
@@Tomcat304 indeed
i had really flat feet and i got orthotics. did nothing, made it a little worse even
@arturhuh yup
I just went to Fleet Feet on Sunday and they did the foot scan, but after seeing the conflicting results in your video -- now I'm wondering if its accurate. Although, I did bring in my old running shoes so they did see where they were getting wear on them - which helped confirm the scan results. I ended up going with New Balance 860s, they are comfortable - only ran once with them but they feel way better than my old ones
i wore socks in one and no socks on the other. i think they can help guide decisions, but shouldn't be the truth
any update 5 months later?
The Brooklyn store is cool. And everyone is very nice and ready to help. And don’t seem like the annoying salesperson. Great spot
My favorite shoe store in NYC
Brooklyn Run Co is great. Fun fact: their sister store is Scranton Running Co.
I’m on my second pair of Hokas here my take. They are super squishy and I disagree that the foam is durable. After a couple of runs or daily wear the foam on both pairs have chipped away. Still on the search for the right pair.
Entertaining video. It’s hard finding a running shoe salesperson who really knows what they are doing, especially since the vendors have cut back on regional representatives who used to spend more time educating people about their offerings. It’s similar to learning to buy correctly fitting motorcycle helmets. “Feels good” doesn’t cut it. After painful experience, I think the biggest thing is to retire running shoes at the earliest sign that the supportive foam is giving way, allowing your feet to roll off on one side or another.
true, it's very tough to find the right shoe. experimentation over time is really the only way
Yes, that’s why there is a shoe mountain just inside my door!
Reminds me of when I was looking to get a Motorcycle Helmet.
You like the look of certain designs but in reality if they are uncomfortable it's not an option.
A proper gait analysis will film you running slowmo and check achilles and knee alignment etc. pronation doesnt always require support like the first guy said. Race shoes are neutral so supportive shoes should only really be used if absolutely needed
My tip is to go to a place where they not only check your feet, but also your hips when running. Static scans of your feet are good, but running happens in your hips. If you’re not in line, anti pron or insoles won’t help you.
So well edited
🙌🙌
As usual, top notch video! 👏 Just released a video today on barefoot zero-drop and i did briefly mention pronation as a reason to hold off on going full speed ahead with barefoot. I would recommend the Altra Escalante 3 for zero-drops as they have a wide toe box, great shoe.
... I should have finished watching your video before commenting, you mentioned the Altras and their wide toe-box 😅
To be fair, no one should go full speed ahead into barefoot shoes. I overpronate and took things slow, as recommended. I also changed my gait in that time. Now 5 months later, I don't need support anymore, but there's still plenty of work to do.
I’ve seen stuff about going between different heel toe drops. Alternating can “possibly” decrease injuries. High drop puts more pressure on knees and hips. Low drops put pressure on shins and ankles. I have no idea how true this is but it’s an interesting thought. I might give it a try.
Getting the best shoes is a tricky combination of objective and subjective components. You can get the specs and numbers that are in the range of your preference but what’s equally important is to try them on and find the one with the best “feeling” for you.
only way is to get a pair, run with them, adjust over time
I've worn out several pairs of all three brands running, and the Brooks are by-far the best suited for me. Under Armour is the best looking though, that I buy just for strutting around with my Lady.
I've experienced similar, having one shop tell me I was pronating, and another saying I wasn't - both from watching me run. I don't see how they can even tell if you're pronating just from a scan of ths shape of your foot, that first guy sounds like he's making it up.
But I definitely like your approach. Personally I try to find a few different shoes, like one that's more cushioned for long runs, and a shoe that's maybe a bit mroe bouncy for faster runs.
Currently I alternate between Saucony Triumph 20s and New Balance 1080s for my longer runs, and Asics Novablasts for something faster. But I'm committed to none and I try something different everytime I go in.
Great video! Will definitely get the Louboutins!
Been using the Altra Escalante for my last couple shoes, I enjoy them for both lifting and running, I only run ~6-10 miles a week currently.
Was that the Fleet Feet on W 14th? I bought a pair of zero drop wide toe box shoes by Altra and I'm very happy with them.
I will say this.., keep track of the mileage on your shoes.., as a heavier runner myself.. I take an additional 50-75 miles, off from there expected life. because let’s be real, few running shoes are made for those above 180 lbs…
Keep up the great work
I use Strava to keep track of shoe mileage. How do you do it?
@@ShervinShares same
You might like the Altra FWD that just came out. Wide toe box, 4mm drop. They’re amazing.
Nice video and a perfect advise! I will definitely check out the shoe store. Surprised that shirt was on in the store, Mr. Shirtless Shervin (I am just joking). Appreciate your content.
honestly, i don't think going to a running store and getting sales advice as a beginner is a good idea. Maybe, that was a good idea 20 years ago. Nowadays, we have the internet & TH-cam. I'd suggest doing a bunch of research ahead of time, decide on a budget to narrow down your options, then do the best you can by finding those shoes in stores and trying them on. Some online retailers offer free returns, so one can even try on shoes with little risk. Gait/foot/running analysis for a beginner runner is overrated, in my opinion. Comfort & price are the most important factors for the new runner. As one becomes a more experienced runner, then you can consider foot/gait/running analysis if necessary.
I don’t know other countries, the salesman in store knows nothing about sport in Hong Kong.
I think knowing how to run properly would be valuable information since it would lead to fewer injuries. Knowing what your problems are and learning how to fix them is valuable information. It's not what a beginner wants to hear, because they just wanna get the shoes and go running, but it's not that simple. When switching to barefoot shoes, I had to change my gait because I overpronate. If I kept my bad habits, I wouldn't have gotten this far.
@@leungkongSame in Canada. Very rarely will the salesman know what they’re talking about. It’s often just some teenager who needed a job lol
@@jicalzad agreed on that, because they’re most focused on making the sale. Running a few meters back and forth in a store does not tell you much about your running form. Doing the research on YT and testing shoes myself was perfectly fine. And in store there is a bigger chance of ending up with colorways you don’t like. They always seem to not have the color you want in the right size haha.
Great advice at the end, buy the shoes that fit right and feel right, don't care about looks or clout.
Insoles are high margin. They probably get a spiff.
Yup! And a lot of times stores have contests for the most add on items! Insoles at $50-$80 is almost all profit!!!
For me Best are : Asics superblast /Saucony Endorphin speed 3 / Hoka mach 5 / Adidas adizero Boston 12. But new models update are coming up soon. I got the puma velocity nitro 2 (amazing). if u can give us feedback on the clifton. I really want to try the superblast but they are too expensive.
solid rotation
i love the clifton 9. hands down the most comfortable running shoe i've owned and quick enough unless you're racing competitively.
If you run, you’re a real runner!!
Went to a fleet feet and typically wear barefoot shoes all other hours. They kept pushing insoles which don’t really make any sense to me. I now just run in xeros which took some time getting used to but no pain or anything. Don’t run as fast since I’m missing tons of bounce but I’m just training to be heathy and not race. Great video!
i main brooks ghost, but i also run in xeros and new balances. as a heavier person, i swap shoes every run, but yeah, every 6 months to a year, gotta retire one pair.
Feels like the stores didn't stress enough that different shoes are optimized for different purposes and, if you're putting down serious mileage, it can be good to have a rotation. You don't need or want carbon stiffeners and really snappy foam when you're doing your zone 2s and easy days, but a more aggressive energy efficient shoe will be good for speed work and race day at the cost of being rougher on your body. It's one thing if you're 120lbs and almost always in your race shoes, and another thing if you're 150lbs looking to keep up your mileage. 180lbs+ is like an entirely different universe of trying to make sure you're injury free.
Socks definitely change how ur feet naturally stand cuz I definitely notice my feet scrunch up when I wear socks. So id trust bare feet scale over the sock scale
Hey! Curious question, I notice a lot of videos you speak about the benefits of the wider toebox and how you like Altra for that reason - I don’t consider myself to have a wide foot - but I found the Clifton’s (that I think you bought in this video) quite narrow in the toebox - did you get the wider fit version..? Apologies for the super long question, also open to anyone who can answer! Thanks! 😊
Every running store is different. I worked at Jack Rabbit/ Fleet Feet and also at Dicks.The take away from the foot scan is 2 things... 1. Length of foot and most importantly length of arch and 2. Arch Height. You can have them emailed from the machine. You can use them for reference. If by chance, your sales person is a runner, you found the right sales person. Get more into detail. What are you using the shoe for, races coming up, how many miles per week, which shoes have you used in the past, any nagging injuries!
The guy who had you walk was looking to see how your knee, ankle and foot impact with each step. A good salesperson can easily see if your arch collapses inward or you walk on the outside of your feet, etc. Insoles??? 98,% time no! They are a salesperson gimmick to sell you more! Unless you drastically pronate inwards! Fleet Feet and Brooklyn looked pretty good!
Also, if you are unsure, don't buy until you do research! Remember the shoes they suggested and check out reviews online! Great Video! Good Luck everyone!
Did the exact same thing when i saw the Nick Bare video lol, had the endorphin speeds ordered within the hour.
We’ve both been influenced!
You can't tell how much someone pronates when running with a static scan. In that regard it's completely useless.
If you have pronation i relly recommend you asics gt-2000 12
But like the Clifton’s were very mushy and narrow. Ended up getting a pair of topo phantom threes.
I just went to fleet feet and found out I am a size 11 and have been wearing a 9.5 for years...
Loving fitness content 👍
Thank you!
I was looking at the Hokas since I have wide cave man feet.. and they apparently have wide width shoes available
wide shoes all day!
Can you recommend a specific brand of socks??
As a piece of advice after many trails and runs i would recommend Lurbel for sure :) Most confy and never had blister problems ever
That one salesperson that mentioned Very Little cotton. She nailed it! Cotton in socks absorbs sweat and can cause blisters!
Features and Balloga are two really good brands. Don't be afraid to read the package. It says what they are made from.
Running shoes only last 300 miles? damn, I use until the sole wears through.
I tried boston 12s in store on a treadmill for a couple hundred meters and my feet cramped a little but I loved the feel. I really got on my toes and the foam was wild. I came from the glycerin 20s and I'm not sure if I should go for them. also, anyone know any deals for boston 12 in canada?
What happened to running with barefoot shoes?
The clips of the scans you showed, I agree with the Fleet Feet folks-it didn’t look like you pronated at all.
I swear shoe store employees are paid extra commission if they sell stability shoes or insoles
Insoles... Yes
Stability shoes No
Hey Shervin, I tried looking in the description I can't find the Lew Button, Lou Vuttion, Louis Vuitton or however you spell it
They’re out of stock!
Altra Via Olympus is bouncy, zero drop.
Amazing video!!
You are so kind
So what brand/model are the orange and green shoes?
saucony endorphin speed
That’s it I’m buying the shoes you got
well worn out shoes is to me a bs sales scam, sure they will not be performing the same way as a new shoe but with correct run form that should not matter
im trying the brooks ghost max right now
How many miles did you have on those shoes you retired??
About 350-400 miles I think!
@@ShervinShares not bad! I retired mine with 500mi at 170BW
Saucony Peregrine 13’s. Doubles down as a trail shoe too.
Nice video!
TY!
I tried those heels out and broke my ankle! Thanks for nothing 😐
I think you got the wrong size! Try again!
He got the hoka clifton 9 😅
hehe one of many pairs of shoes in my rotation
Everyone has some pronation. The issue is when you have over pronation or supination so you have to get a stability shoe that helps stabilize the ankle so you don’t get injuries.
Adizero Boston 12 is my pick
Love it
loubs >>
Hahaha
I’m a Clifton’s fan
Why not consider barefoot shoes? like vivos or xeros?
I actually made my injuries worse going with a shoe from a running store like fleet feet. Those stores are scams. Order online, try them at home, return if not great.
thats a great idea!
Too many options these days. Very frustrating… really should be fewer choices.
SS-
👠👠
😘
Clifton 7
Altra has increasingly become more and more narrow... even their 'wide' lasts of shoes are. not what they used to be. The best Altra's for wide feet are the Lone Peak (trail) and Escalante Racer (road, speed shoe). I have since switched to Topo which makes 'wide toe box' shoes. Although, they do have a heel-toe drop of roughly 3-5mm which I sacrifice for the width.
Asics, always
You dont do barefoot? i thought it changed your life
Good and efficient running form will prevent more injuries than fitting/trying a million shoes. Do a video on getting a running form evaluation by a *Physical Therapist*.
All sales bs and ultimately meaningless and wasted energy
Your content is awesome but you’ve totally bought into the industrial complex where bigger, newer, first world is best. The rationale on the pseudo science leads to a gigantic waste of money.
What happened to running with barefoot shoes?
What happened to running with barefoot shoes?