I love how you show how you're learning and even the errors that come up. Knowing that you won't send a part to customer because it doesn't have a perfect finish tells alot. I know the feeling, I'm a perfectionist as well.
What I find amusing is that this part was clearly designed in metric dimensions but it got changed to inches for manufacturing. That’s the best way to run into tolerance problems when you need a precision fit.
It's cool to see how a really experienced manual machinist learns CNC machining. Hands on the controls, watching every movement of the machine, and diligently controlling the rapids to prevent crashes.
I say the same thing. After all the years of doing Manual ops.. and then going to CNC.. I likened it to when you turned on and used your cruise control for the first time ever on your car.
@@francisschweitzer8431 Exactly. Once Adam has seen enough cycles without machine errors/crashes, he will gain confidence and let go of the deed hold button.
As you get comfortable with the CAD/CAM software, and start to gain confidence in what's going on, you really begin to grasp how much power and flexibility is at your command. Of course, you also get cocky and break some tools, but that's part of it, lol. When you settle in and gain a working command of the stuff you do a lot, it's like you found a Turbo button for your work. The software is so huge and comprehensive, it takes years to really master the real breadth of it, but that's fine. You almost always use a few main components, and those become second nature, and you get fast and efficient with them. Manual work will always be a go-to for a real old-school tradesman, and you'll always know when to just chuck it in a lathe and start indicating, to save time and effort. For production work, especially though, gaining the skill in CAD/CAM will pay off bigtime.
First Thing.. Make a Mark on the Collets to indicate where the slot is.. that will save you a lot of fiddling..especially when you're working for a customer.. he pays you to produce, not to Fiddle
Thanks for the video! Helpful hint: Make a mark on the face of your collet that aligns with your keyway for quick alignment with your setscrew. Same technique works for many other types of situations where you have a blind feature you need to align.
More fun stuff from Adam, congratulations! What I like best is how you are able to carry so much of your manual machining experience and skill into this new world of CNC. I know that this a recurring theme for me, but I agree with Bert Blankenstein that you could improve your workflow and the quality of the resulting product with some judicious use of the Renishaw Probe. Set the depth stop approximately, then crank it down tight. You already made a gauge piece of the diameter of the stock and the proper length of the finished part. Create an operation 0.5A (or rename the ops 1 and 2). This new op will use the probe as a tool to find the z coordinate of the end of the gauge piece, then use that to reset the z coordinate zero point to be the other end (where the stop is). You would use operation 0.5A every time you set up a run or had to readjust the depth stop. Also produce a modified step 0.5A and call it 0.5B. Here you want one (rough) end of the stock to be at the (adjusted) z=0 and the other end to project far enough beyond the finished length to be able to face both ends. So, if the rough length is not big enough to produce a good part, have step 0.5B declare an error and stop. Otherwise, the rough length tells step 1 where the facing tool will make first contact. Sorry about the funny names for steps. I don't know what naming rules your software has. So, for the time that it takes to write two very simple operations you can cut down on setup time, gain greater accuracy, and warn the operator of an out-of-spec blank. I think that the Renishaw probes are all accurate to better than half a thou.
Hi .Look into the code for the line which has the finish pass on the section that was tapered. Subtract from the X statement the over size amount at the start at that point, and add an X statement of the corect diamenter at the end of the Z move. I've used trick many times to avoid using the tail stock. good luck!
Much better CNC content, including the Fusion workflow too. Finally useful CNC content from Abom. However, I can't help but feel that the 5C collet arrangement is not conducive to accuracy and an actual 5C chuck would be a better solution
18:55 a little trick I used to keep track of the collects key ways is I’d put a dot on the face with a paint marker or dykem in a pinch. It saved time when i did some projects with collets and blocks and more drill press then probably makes sense.
I first witnessed CNC in a production environment at Hayes-Dana in St. Catherines Ontario in 1985, almost 40 years ago. It was impressive then and the developments that have occurred so that this technology is available to smaller outfits is just as impressive.
nice to see you coming along with the Fusion 360 and running that cnc machine. Maybe a mark on the face of the collet where the key is would help from fiddling around to find the key slot. Just a thought...
One would think that 3 D software would just have carried on from the 2 D stuff but it didn't. I had to forget everything I learned for autoCad when I went to doing 3 D drawings.
Thanks for sharing. Had to rewatch this episode, I had the flu when this one dropped and I was totally useless for a few. It great to see that you are thriving in your hopes and dreams. I wish you and yours all the best.
Last time I was in Florida it snowed in Coconut Key. That weekend the flamingos were shivering in Orlando and I bought a sweater, no coats were available.
Kevin is excellent. It would also be very much worth your time to work your way through the titans of cnc building blocks, even if you just do it in software space. Seat time is key with this - once you learn the interface and what strategies to leverage for different opps things get a lot easier
@@MechanicalAdvantage that may be true. I used their vids to at least figure out the different parts of the environment and work through a couple modeling exercises. Then I discovered you and have been following every since. Thanks for all you do
You were talking about how cold it is up north I live in Bettendorf Iowa and it’s cold not right now, but it was. It was so cold the postman wasn’t delivering mail for almost a week.
We have a plastic injection mold shop in town that keeps their shop conditioned at a set temperature all year long 24x7 to keep their materials and machines accurate. I'm unsure what temp they use but its likely in the middle to low 70's.
Nice work Adam. And awesome that you’re learning fusion 360. Just wait until you get in parametric design. Would have made it much faster to change that hub length. Ask your online teacher guy about setting parameters.
Adam...another great video on making some CNC chips. BTW..Kevin over at MechanicalAdvantage has a new video series started where he is making a small engine by first modeling up the parts in F360, then showing how to take each part through the CAM processes, and then taking the Gcode out the machine and fabricating the parts, its been a great couple of sessions so far.
On those collets I like to mark the face in line with the keyway to make it easier to line up. Little black marker mark for example. Also judging by the placement of that machine in your shop I take it you don't plan on installing a bar feeder on this machine?
It's funny how a small change in latitude makes a pretty big difference in temperature. I'm in the Ocala, FL area, we're about 95 miles due south of your latitude. I took the latitude on Google maps of your shop and moved east to directly north of me and measured the distance. It rarely goes below 30F here, maybe two or three time a year. And then only a couple of degrees, lowest temp so far this year was 29F.
Neat little video. Relatively simple but non-trivial things like this are a brilliant way to learn new things. I've been doing similar stuff with FreeCAD for 3D printing stuff.
@9:56. .005" left on the face is more than enough for the finish tool to clean up. You most likely had a mismatch in the tool touchoffs of Z between the rough tool and finish tool. .003" or .004 difference between the two tools.
We use a lot of 5C collets, and that how we handle the issue. If your using a Hardinge collet, the key way is usually in line with the "d" in logo on the face.
Adam, I've been watching your channel for a long time. I enjoy watching all of the manual machining and watching you run all the different machines you have. I appreciate that you are learning to use CNC machines. But for me personally, I don't want to watch it. There are lots of CNC channels out there. Would you consider starting a separate channel for the CNC work? I'm sure there are many people out there that feel the same way. I'm not criticizing, just expressing the desire to watch you machine things manually. Thanks.
I was wondering how the precision Mathews was working out? I am considering buying one. You are the only person I have seen with one. Love the channel by the way!!
20 degrees (-6 C) in Florida ! Really ? I didn't know that was even possible ! Actually, we got 32 (0 C, in Montreal. Yes sir ! It's actually warmer in Montreal than in Florida. Incredible but true. Did you got snow ? Continue to produce your excellent and instructable videos man ! Hope you can heat in your shop. :-)
Looks like a Kalamazoo 5C Collet Chuck - ICC-001. About $470. Suggest googling it. Penn tool has something cheaper at $140ish. The picture is not great. Might be worth looking into. The Kalamazoo looks well thought out.
Nice Work, but to make fusion easier, buy : the SpaceMouse Pro from 3Dconnexion (the Pro, not that small thing), put it on the left on your keyboard, keep the normal mouse on the right. I use a MX-master3 normal mouse from Logi. I was first sceptic about this, but now I cannot live without it.
@@ericsandberg3167you can just hit F6 for that. And if you have extra mouse buttons, you can use software to bind that to an extra button on the mouse. But to answer your actual question, I'm sure you can set that up on the 3dconnexion mice as well. Don't remember if that is a default thing that is setup on them. Haven't used my spacemouse pro in a couple of years, I found it to be more hassle than help. Not by a lot, but....
Regarding OP#1, is it possible to cut your stock 1/8 inch long and add two or three roughing passes at the beginning of OP#1 that will either begin to make the first pass to face the stock or face nothing but air and then on the second or third face actually face the stock? This would eliminate you having to manually Z the face before beginning OP#1. In addition, adjust the stock length in OP#1 to allow the same beginning face methods at the beginning of OP#2. Of course I've never operated a CNC before but for the few seconds it takes to run two or three extra facing moves surely won't add up to the same amount of time it takes to manually Z the face as well as adding a safeguard that your stock isn't cut at an angle during the start of OP#2 which might cause you to have a saw cut remaining at the completion of OP#2. And, you're not wasting that much material by adding multiple passes to face the stock. This suggestion would only be useful for multiple parts production, not for a single part production.
He is already doing the two facing cuts. Seems like all he would need to do is cut the stock a few hairs long. Assuming his bandsaw cut is fairly square, which it apparently is, Just put the part in. Do op1. Flip the part. Do op2. Done, and no saw marks. But don't take my advice. I'm not a machinist.
I have had, for at least 30 years, a wrench that has a handle and a ring to go around the 5c with a built in key that allows you to drop the collet in and screw anything that fits into the back end of the 5 c. So there is no need to hold it by the slits which could possibly be sprung if you held it by the slits with the wrench he is using. I think I purchased it from Enco before they were swallowed up by Manhattan Supply Company, but I would guess they are still available somewhere.
@chancellor170 that would work as well. Almost sounds like one of the collet fixtures that usually come in a set of 2. One is hex and one is square except those are hardened and ground.
Is it possible on your machine to face, centre drill the bar end. Then pull the stock out to a live centre, then machine the whole shaft complete in one setting?
good stuff!! wash rinse repeat whatever you have to for your learning style...I'm learning 3D Blender via "Artisans of Vaul" YTC (can't be dependent on an internet connection--regardless how good it might be $$$) or else fussin 36Z would be it!! continue to do your thing; we'll revel in your determination, failures, and success!
lathes typically ony have a limited number of tools on the turret; you'd have to sacrifice one for a probe, sometimes you may even need 2 positions because the probe can be radial or axial depending on what you want to probe. Clearance is also a pretty big factor. If you had a probe mounted for ID measurements, it might hit the chuck when you're using a tool next to it close to the chuck.
Instead of using a stop in the collet, could one have the machine use that indicator to determine the position of the work piece and use that to get the operation done right?
8 years as a cnc lathe operator theres no end to the issues that can happen! my latest aggravation is getting the programmers to understand the issues that are slowing down production! our programmers cannot run the machines!!
Yeah thats the thing with CNC. Setup takes a long time especially if you are still learning. Once youve done it ypu can knock out a lot of parts quickly. For small quantities oftentimes manual is faster
I would not hold the precision 5c holder in hard jaws. I would not hold raw stock in a precision collet either. The finish tool should face the end to keep the distance to the shoulder accurate. Several facing cuts on op 1 will allow greater tolerance when sawing the blanks. Sorry no cnc tips just basic stuff.
The fact that they mostly use decimal, not fractional, inches is an admission that a decimal system is easier to use. We see the same thing in navigation with decimal degrees instead of degree/minute/second but would be better switching from latitude/longitude to a mercator grid where the numbers represent a fixed distance across the ground instead of a part of an angle that represents a variable distance on the ground.
I agree except Adam doesn't need lessons/experience on old machines/practises. Adam is AFAIK & understand trying to adapt to modern methods and whilst adapting he needs to learn and practice. Adam - if I jumped the gun and misunderstood I apologise
To be honest this job was never intended to be quick; it was intended to be a medium upon which to learn all aspects of layout and machining steps, hmmmmmkay?
I've noticed that a lot of Adam's long-term customers send him work that is similar to what they have sent before. As Adam said, for this customer he now has records of exactly what he did this time, all the way down to CNC programs. Those records are a valuable investment in the long-term relationships between Adam and his customers.
I fully understand the need to move to CNC for his business, and I’ll certainly keep watching. But… as someone who drove a computer for my career, I find it about as entertaining as watching paint dry to watch. Not my channel, and he SHOULD do what he wants. I subscribed and supported a machining channel… I miss it. I’ve truly enjoyed the vice machining, at least those where manual machining is being used. I will still watch this channel, but I’m looking for another manual machining channel. Obviously my opinion and I wish Adam every success.
I just don’t understand these comments. 90%+ of his content is manual. He has said he will continue to do manual. He posts a CNC video and you complain that he doesn’t do manual. He does tons of manual. Way more than not. He is adding a new tool to his shop.
For the life of me, I can't appreciate cnc for a small shop. Price of the machine, time in programming, waste of stock from misprogramming, crashed tools, and the learning curve of screwy/fickle software. I can appreciate the drive to gain knowledge in new current processes. In MY OPINION, it's the difference between Empire Strikes Back and Clone Wars. Nothing beats old school machining skills.
Yes there’s some investment required but it opens the door for more complex parts that are impossible to make any other way. Unless all you want to do are simple one offs and repairs then manual machines are gonna limit you. Most guys don’t have enough of that kind of work to keep the lights on. With a cnc, you could be running low volume production while you do the rest of your repair work in the manual side in parallel.
I am not a machinist but have some CAD/CAM experience. CNC is primarily for production runs. Yes, there are programming issues that cause you to lose sleep at night, but once the bugs are finally out a person can churn out parts fast and actually make good money. And, as you program more and more, bugs become fewer and fewer. I would not consider CNC for one-off parts. Just my opinion.
Imagine for a second, as a business owner, you have the skills and machinery to run high volume jobs on a CNC and whilst that machine is ticking away smoothly you can continue to do those one off special jobs?
@@philhunt9297 that's the thing, he's using cnc for one offs. Not a wise investment of time, even with the machine being a loaner. What's your time worth sir? Programming and scrapped materials? Doesn't make business sense. I wouldn't have posted the comment without thinking bout that. He's doing one off, small batch runs. Hes not supporting a cnc machine capabilites. Better off sticking with hand work. How can he do one off hand work, with cnc run cycles of 3 minutes? Explain that. Justify programming time and first run tolerance for one off, small batch runs. You would go broke. Sorry, think it through
CAD/CAM is like anything else, the more times you do it, the better you get. Does this part need it, no. Does Adam want the experience? Yes. Is the net result for the shop better because of the gained experience? Yes.
As a non trivial part to learn with? It's just right. More complicated than a simple shape but not so complicated that you get terrified at the big picture. I make sure less experienced developers start with smaller bite sized pieces like this for exactly the same reason. Enough complexity to teach you something but not so complex you get lost.
@@samvandellen3695 I have the impression he should first learn G-code. He knows manual lathe work. He has a CNC. So the next step would be to learn CNC lathe work. It is different to manual work. It starts with learning G-code and cutting pieces to the propper length. And not by re-drawing a given print and rotate the cross section. Generally speaking, lathe work needs no CAD or CAM. G71 already does the job. The net result of doing it with CAD/CAM will only be that he is unable to take any G-code of an old project and read, understand and adjust it for a - otherwise - 10 minutes jobby. Learn the basics and proceede from there.
@@MuellerNick That's a little like saying "In order to really use your software properly, you should learn Objective C and write it yourself." It's a point of view, a perspective, but there are probably other perspectives that look at it quite differently. It's a trap to fall into the idea that "Everybody should do it the way I do it."
@@MuellerNick the best part about this trade is that there are dozens of good ways to do any job, and the learning process can take so many paths. He's ending up with quality finished parts and learning lessons along the way. The Fusion workflow allows you to get a really clear picture of what's going on, which can be pretty helpful when you are responsible for replacing the machine if you fuck it up and you're just learning.
There are more steps - CNC is the only reason 99% of any machining in the US is left. Go check out Titan Gilroy. That doesn't make the hand job single step at a time any less fun or cutesy - but to produce parts at minimum cost CNC is the only way to go ONCE SET UP.
Boring for you, but time, labor, and money saving for Adam. I used to work all day around manual and CNC machines, and I would much rather watch the CNC's. Even the crashes were more spectacular.
I love how you show how you're learning and even the errors that come up. Knowing that you won't send a part to customer because it doesn't have a perfect finish tells alot. I know the feeling, I'm a perfectionist as well.
What I find amusing is that this part was clearly designed in metric dimensions but it got changed to inches for manufacturing. That’s the best way to run into tolerance problems when you need a precision fit.
My favourite part of the week is Saturday nights with Adam Booth, keep these awesome videos coming!
Same. This is the "wind-down time" for me. Relaxing to watch, unless my dog decides he wants to sleep on my lap at the same time.
It's cool to see how a really experienced manual machinist learns CNC machining. Hands on the controls, watching every movement of the machine, and diligently controlling the rapids to prevent crashes.
I say the same thing. After all the years of doing Manual ops.. and then going to CNC..
I likened it to when you turned on and used your cruise control for the first time ever on your car.
CNC machines work hard but crash hard. Can you imagine a hard crash with such a massive chuck at maximum RPM?
@@francisschweitzer8431 Exactly. Once Adam has seen enough cycles without machine errors/crashes, he will gain confidence and let go of the deed hold button.
As you get comfortable with the CAD/CAM software, and start to gain confidence in what's going on, you really begin to grasp how much power and flexibility is at your command. Of course, you also get cocky and break some tools, but that's part of it, lol. When you settle in and gain a working command of the stuff you do a lot, it's like you found a Turbo button for your work.
The software is so huge and comprehensive, it takes years to really master the real breadth of it, but that's fine. You almost always use a few main components, and those become second nature, and you get fast and efficient with them. Manual work will always be a go-to for a real old-school tradesman, and you'll always know when to just chuck it in a lathe and start indicating, to save time and effort. For production work, especially though, gaining the skill in CAD/CAM will pay off bigtime.
First Thing.. Make a Mark on the Collets to indicate where the slot is.. that will save you a lot of fiddling..especially when you're working for a customer.. he pays you to produce, not to Fiddle
Any quality collet has one of the printed markings aligned with the keyway. Probably the brand name.
I appreciate the cnc learning videos.
Thanks for the video! Helpful hint: Make a mark on the face of your collet that aligns with your keyway for quick alignment with your setscrew. Same technique works for many other types of situations where you have a blind feature you need to align.
I wonder how many of us was saying that while he was fiddling with trying to find the keyseat?
These CNC videos are great. Nice and slow, explaining so much. I feel like I am learning a lot. Thanks
More fun stuff from Adam, congratulations! What I like best is how you are able to carry so much of your manual machining experience and skill into this new world of CNC. I know that this a recurring theme for me, but I agree with Bert Blankenstein that you could improve your workflow and the quality of the resulting product with some judicious use of the Renishaw Probe. Set the depth stop approximately, then crank it down tight. You already made a gauge piece of the diameter of the stock and the proper length of the finished part. Create an operation 0.5A (or rename the ops 1 and 2). This new op will use the probe as a tool to find the z coordinate of the end of the gauge piece, then use that to reset the z coordinate zero point to be the other end (where the stop is). You would use operation 0.5A every time you set up a run or had to readjust the depth stop.
Also produce a modified step 0.5A and call it 0.5B. Here you want one (rough) end of the stock to be at the (adjusted) z=0 and the other end to project far enough beyond the finished length to be able to face both ends. So, if the rough length is not big enough to produce a good part, have step 0.5B declare an error and stop. Otherwise, the rough length tells step 1 where the facing tool will make first contact. Sorry about the funny names for steps. I don't know what naming rules your software has.
So, for the time that it takes to write two very simple operations you can cut down on setup time, gain greater accuracy, and warn the operator of an out-of-spec blank. I think that the Renishaw probes are all accurate to better than half a thou.
It will become second nature to you. Patience. Nice job.
I love the manual lathe operation
Love seeing your confidence grow over the months! Go go go 💪🏻
Hi .Look into the code for the line which has the finish pass on the section that was tapered. Subtract from the X statement the over size amount at the start at that point, and add an X statement of the corect diamenter at the end of the Z move. I've used trick many times to avoid using the tail stock. good luck!
Much better CNC content, including the Fusion workflow too. Finally useful CNC content from Abom. However, I can't help but feel that the 5C collet arrangement is not conducive to accuracy and an actual 5C chuck would be a better solution
18:55 a little trick I used to keep track of the collects key ways is I’d put a dot on the face with a paint marker or dykem in a pinch. It saved time when i did some projects with collets and blocks and more drill press then probably makes sense.
I first witnessed CNC in a production environment at Hayes-Dana in St. Catherines Ontario in 1985, almost 40 years ago. It was impressive then and the developments that have occurred so that this technology is available to smaller outfits is just as impressive.
26:27 all you had to do is move your G54 Z another .01 towards the chucl and rerun the program.
G'day Adam. The CNC worked out really well. Slowly your getting there & living the experience. Keep them coming. Thanks
Protip: sharpie dot on the collet face lined up with the keyway
I had the same thought but I decided to see if anyone else made the same suggestion.
nice to see you coming along with the Fusion 360 and running that cnc machine. Maybe a mark on the face of the collet where the key is would help from fiddling around to find the key slot. Just a thought...
Congratulations you're the 27th person in a row to recommend marking the face of the collet blah blah.... TLDR?
47 below at my house. 20 above is speedo weather.
I spend a lot of time figuring out Fusion 360, and I'm someone who was a professional on Autodesk some 30 years ago. You're doing great!
One would think that 3 D software would just have carried on from the 2 D stuff but it didn't. I had to forget everything I learned for autoCad when I went to doing 3 D drawings.
Thanks for sharing. Had to rewatch this episode, I had the flu when this one dropped and I was totally useless for a few. It great to see that you are thriving in your hopes and dreams. I wish you and yours all the best.
Last time I was in Florida it snowed in Coconut Key. That weekend the flamingos were shivering in Orlando and I bought a sweater, no coats were available.
Kevin is excellent. It would also be very much worth your time to work your way through the titans of cnc building blocks, even if you just do it in software space. Seat time is key with this - once you learn the interface and what strategies to leverage for different opps things get a lot easier
The titans content teaches a lot of bad habits.
@@MechanicalAdvantage that may be true. I used their vids to at least figure out the different parts of the environment and work through a couple modeling exercises. Then I discovered you and have been following every since. Thanks for all you do
You were talking about how cold it is up north I live in Bettendorf Iowa and it’s cold not right now, but it was. It was so cold the postman wasn’t delivering mail for almost a week.
We have a plastic injection mold shop in town that keeps their shop conditioned at a set temperature all year long 24x7 to keep their materials and machines accurate. I'm unsure what temp they use but its likely in the middle to low 70's.
Nice work Adam. And awesome that you’re learning fusion 360. Just wait until you get in parametric design. Would have made it much faster to change that hub length. Ask your online teacher guy about setting parameters.
Adam put a Sharpie mark on the collet to facilitate getting the collet located in the chuck.
Adam...another great video on making some CNC chips. BTW..Kevin over at MechanicalAdvantage has a new video series started where he is making a small engine by first modeling up the parts in F360, then showing how to take each part through the CAM processes, and then taking the Gcode out the machine and fabricating the parts, its been a great couple of sessions so far.
With the amount that you faced off the duff shaft on op2 you could have easily recovered it by doing op1 again with a different Z offset.
Adam a machinist taught me to use cigarette papers (for roll your owns) to locate tools part surfaces.
On those collets I like to mark the face in line with the keyway to make it easier to line up. Little black marker mark for example.
Also judging by the placement of that machine in your shop I take it you don't plan on installing a bar feeder on this machine?
Hay Adamwhy don’t ya put a mark on the 5c collet face ta show ya where the key slot is on it jus a thought so ya don’t have ta fight ta find it
I need that 5c collet adapter.. cool something I can add to my tool box..
It's funny how a small change in latitude makes a pretty big difference in temperature. I'm in the Ocala, FL area, we're about 95 miles due south of your latitude. I took the latitude on Google maps of your shop and moved east to directly north of me and measured the distance. It rarely goes below 30F here, maybe two or three time a year. And then only a couple of degrees, lowest temp so far this year was 29F.
Abom79 you made it right.
Neat little video. Relatively simple but non-trivial things like this are a brilliant way to learn new things. I've been doing similar stuff with FreeCAD for 3D printing stuff.
Your technical skills are amazing.I cheer for you.👍👍👍
@9:56. .005" left on the face is more than enough for the finish tool to clean up. You most likely had a mismatch in the tool touchoffs of Z between the rough tool and finish tool. .003" or .004 difference between the two tools.
I can think of a couple of ways to remedy the deflection and taper on the second op. This may be something to raise with Kevin for future training.
love your channel adam. i watch every episode. i am a former machinist, so very interesting to me.
It works well,Adam.Thank you.
If you don't like your finish on a few of the parts, Chuck them up in the lathe and hold your precision ground stones to the part while it turning.
Maybe you could put a mark on the end of the collet to help align the set screw when inserting the new tool into the collet housing?
We use a lot of 5C collets, and that how we handle the issue. If your using a Hardinge collet, the key way is usually in line with the "d" in logo on the face.
when looking into the chip tray between the ways (eg. 23:38), you can see orange paint. is that the primer?
love it
Adam, I've been watching your channel for a long time. I enjoy watching all of the manual machining and watching you run all the different machines you have. I appreciate that you are learning to use CNC machines. But for me personally, I don't want to watch it. There are lots of CNC channels out there. Would you consider starting a separate channel for the CNC work? I'm sure there are many people out there that feel the same way. I'm not criticizing, just expressing the desire to watch you machine things manually. Thanks.
Put a Sharpie mark on the face of the collet so you know were the key way is.
Thank you for another great video. Stay safe out there. Cheers
I was wondering how the precision Mathews was working out? I am considering buying one. You are the only person I have seen with one. Love the channel by the way!!
20 degrees (-6 C) in Florida ! Really ? I didn't know that was even possible ! Actually, we got 32 (0 C, in Montreal. Yes sir ! It's actually warmer in Montreal than in Florida. Incredible but true. Did you got snow ? Continue to produce your excellent and instructable videos man ! Hope you can heat in your shop. :-)
They were talking about that on CBC Radio, it was warmer in parts of Saskatchewan Province than SW Florida a one day on the last week of December.
Where can I purchase one of those 5C holders for my lathe?
Looks like a Kalamazoo 5C Collet Chuck - ICC-001. About $470. Suggest googling it. Penn tool has something cheaper at $140ish. The picture is not great. Might be worth looking into. The Kalamazoo looks well thought out.
Nice Work, but to make fusion easier, buy : the SpaceMouse Pro from 3Dconnexion (the Pro, not that small thing), put it on the left on your keyboard, keep the normal mouse on the right. I use a MX-master3 normal mouse from Logi. I was first sceptic about this, but now I cannot live without it.
Got a question about this mouse and F360....if you double click on the center wheel, does it auto scale the graphics on the screen....?? Thanks.
@@ericsandberg3167you can just hit F6 for that. And if you have extra mouse buttons, you can use software to bind that to an extra button on the mouse.
But to answer your actual question, I'm sure you can set that up on the 3dconnexion mice as well. Don't remember if that is a default thing that is setup on them. Haven't used my spacemouse pro in a couple of years, I found it to be more hassle than help. Not by a lot, but....
Regarding OP#1, is it possible to cut your stock 1/8 inch long and add two or three roughing passes at the beginning of OP#1 that will either begin to make the first pass to face the stock or face nothing but air and then on the second or third face actually face the stock? This would eliminate you having to manually Z the face before beginning OP#1. In addition, adjust the stock length in OP#1 to allow the same beginning face methods at the beginning of OP#2. Of course I've never operated a CNC before but for the few seconds it takes to run two or three extra facing moves surely won't add up to the same amount of time it takes to manually Z the face as well as adding a safeguard that your stock isn't cut at an angle during the start of OP#2 which might cause you to have a saw cut remaining at the completion of OP#2. And, you're not wasting that much material by adding multiple passes to face the stock. This suggestion would only be useful for multiple parts production, not for a single part production.
He is already doing the two facing cuts. Seems like all he would need to do is cut the stock a few hairs long. Assuming his bandsaw cut is fairly square, which it apparently is, Just put the part in. Do op1. Flip the part. Do op2. Done, and no saw marks. But don't take my advice. I'm not a machinist.
I hope you meant *longer.* ⅛" long stock would not make a very good beginning for a 5" shaft. 😉
Really looking forward to more videos on the Hardtail Vise finishing.
Could this be done as 1 op with tail stock support m
CNC is the way to go, even for one-off parts. Once you have the conversational programming down and you trust your skills it’s a game changer.
Sorry but manual will always be faster for one off parts to suggest otherwise is pure ignorance.
Funniest thing I saw this year so far... Keep it up :)
Adam, couldn't you use the collect wrench to hold the collet when installing and removing the collet stop? Or would it damage the collet?
I have had, for at least 30 years, a wrench that has a handle and a ring to go around the 5c with a built in key that allows you to drop the collet in and screw anything that fits into the back end of the 5 c. So there is no need to hold it by the slits which could possibly be sprung if you held it by the slits with the wrench he is using. I think I purchased it from Enco before they were swallowed up by Manhattan Supply Company, but I would guess they are still available somewhere.
@chancellor170 that would work as well. Almost sounds like one of the collet fixtures that usually come in a set of 2. One is hex and one is square except those are hardened and ground.
Super interesting watching you learn.
Is it possible on your machine to face, centre drill the bar end.
Then pull the stock out to a live centre, then machine the whole shaft complete in one setting?
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good stuff!! wash rinse repeat whatever you have to for your learning style...I'm learning 3D Blender via "Artisans of Vaul" YTC (can't be dependent on an internet connection--regardless how good it might be $$$) or else fussin 36Z would be it!!
continue to do your thing; we'll revel in your determination, failures, and success!
Maybe this I a dumb question but why doesn’t the lathe have a measurement tool similar to your Cnc mill?
lathes typically ony have a limited number of tools on the turret; you'd have to sacrifice one for a probe, sometimes you may even need 2 positions because the probe can be radial or axial depending on what you want to probe. Clearance is also a pretty big factor. If you had a probe mounted for ID measurements, it might hit the chuck when you're using a tool next to it close to the chuck.
@@Fr4g4lot thanks
Instead of using a stop in the collet, could one have the machine use that indicator to determine the position of the work piece and use that to get the operation done right?
Hmm, I think Adam has that indicator bulb on the other machine and perhaps not on this lathe CNC.
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Beyond amazing! Yeeeeoooow!
looking good man
8 years as a cnc lathe operator theres no end to the issues that can happen! my latest aggravation is getting the programmers to understand the issues that are slowing down production! our programmers cannot run the machines!!
It cracks me up when a machinist uses a crescent wrench
Can I get a link for this collet Chuck?❤
Look up Kalamazoo Collet Chuck. I have one in my lathe and couldn't do without.
Yeah thats the thing with CNC. Setup takes a long time especially if you are still learning. Once youve done it ypu can knock out a lot of parts quickly. For small quantities oftentimes manual is faster
Hello Adam,
How is it possible that there is a visible pendulum ( runout ) at 30:20
Even though the first operation was also done in a collet.
No collets are without some runout. Then any time you rechuck a part in a collet you risk it having a different degree of run out
You’re looking at raw stock. The runout you see lies within the roundness of the stock
But not that much..@@grntitan1
Setting zero the way you did for op 1 make sure you set zero on the shortest piece. Nice work!!
The second one didnt seem to chatter as much like the first cut wasnt as deep ???
You need to get more collect stops so you don't have to switch them out between collets. I have several for just that reason.
Obligatory algorithm boost 👍👍
I would not hold the precision 5c holder in hard jaws. I would not hold raw stock in a precision collet either. The finish tool should face the end to keep the distance to the shoulder accurate. Several facing cuts on op 1 will allow greater tolerance when sawing the blanks. Sorry no cnc tips just basic stuff.
I don't see Abby in her maker space
I much preferred the pre-CNC Abom ...
Go back and watch his pre-CNC videos and dream of thy days of yore....
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Hello friend, thank you for the super review, I will always look at your review, good luck my friend
бедные американские токаря и фрезеровшики с этими дюймовыми размерами. это же просто сумашествие!
The fact that they mostly use decimal, not fractional, inches is an admission that a decimal system is easier to use. We see the same thing in navigation with decimal degrees instead of degree/minute/second but would be better switching from latitude/longitude to a mercator grid where the numbers represent a fixed distance across the ground instead of a part of an angle that represents a variable distance on the ground.
To be honest this job would be just as quick on a manual machines.
I agree except Adam doesn't need lessons/experience on old machines/practises. Adam is AFAIK & understand trying to adapt to modern methods and whilst adapting he needs to learn and practice.
Adam - if I jumped the gun and misunderstood I apologise
To be honest this job was never intended to be quick; it was intended to be a medium upon which to learn all aspects of layout and machining steps, hmmmmmkay?
Making 2? Yep. Making 8, with no distractions for cameras and learning, should be faster and better quality.
I've noticed that a lot of Adam's long-term customers send him work that is similar to what they have sent before. As Adam said, for this customer he now has records of exactly what he did this time, all the way down to CNC programs. Those records are a valuable investment in the long-term relationships between Adam and his customers.
I fully understand the need to move to CNC for his business, and I’ll certainly keep watching. But… as someone who drove a computer for my career, I find it about as entertaining as watching paint dry to watch. Not my channel, and he SHOULD do what he wants. I subscribed and supported a machining channel… I miss it. I’ve truly enjoyed the vice machining, at least those where manual machining is being used. I will still watch this channel, but I’m looking for another manual machining channel. Obviously my opinion and I wish Adam every success.
I just don’t understand these comments. 90%+ of his content is manual. He has said he will continue to do manual. He posts a CNC video and you complain that he doesn’t do manual. He does tons of manual. Way more than not. He is adding a new tool to his shop.
I didn’t say he doesn’t do manual, I said - basically - I find WATCHING CNC to be not interesting. If you like it, that’s wonderful.
For the life of me, I can't appreciate cnc for a small shop. Price of the machine, time in programming, waste of stock from misprogramming, crashed tools, and the learning curve of screwy/fickle software. I can appreciate the drive to gain knowledge in new current processes. In MY OPINION, it's the difference between Empire Strikes Back and Clone Wars. Nothing beats old school machining skills.
Yes there’s some investment required but it opens the door for more complex parts that are impossible to make any other way. Unless all you want to do are simple one offs and repairs then manual machines are gonna limit you. Most guys don’t have enough of that kind of work to keep the lights on. With a cnc, you could be running low volume production while you do the rest of your repair work in the manual side in parallel.
I am not a machinist but have some CAD/CAM experience. CNC is primarily for production runs. Yes, there are programming issues that cause you to lose sleep at night, but once the bugs are finally out a person can churn out parts fast and actually make good money. And, as you program more and more, bugs become fewer and fewer. I would not consider CNC for one-off parts. Just my opinion.
Imagine for a second, as a business owner, you have the skills and machinery to run high volume jobs on a CNC and whilst that machine is ticking away smoothly you can continue to do those one off special jobs?
You may not appreciate CNC for the life of you; but to lower cost per part it's the only way. Your opinion is noted but it shan't pay the bills.
@@philhunt9297 that's the thing, he's using cnc for one offs. Not a wise investment of time, even with the machine being a loaner. What's your time worth sir? Programming and scrapped materials? Doesn't make business sense. I wouldn't have posted the comment without thinking bout that. He's doing one off, small batch runs. Hes not supporting a cnc machine capabilites. Better off sticking with hand work. How can he do one off hand work, with cnc run cycles of 3 minutes? Explain that. Justify programming time and first run tolerance for one off, small batch runs. You would go broke. Sorry, think it through
Finish tool should finish face.
You really need CAD/CAM for such a simple part?
CAD/CAM is like anything else, the more times you do it, the better you get. Does this part need it, no. Does Adam want the experience? Yes. Is the net result for the shop better because of the gained experience? Yes.
As a non trivial part to learn with? It's just right. More complicated than a simple shape but not so complicated that you get terrified at the big picture.
I make sure less experienced developers start with smaller bite sized pieces like this for exactly the same reason. Enough complexity to teach you something but not so complex you get lost.
@@samvandellen3695 I have the impression he should first learn G-code. He knows manual lathe work. He has a CNC. So the next step would be to learn CNC lathe work. It is different to manual work. It starts with learning G-code and cutting pieces to the propper length. And not by re-drawing a given print and rotate the cross section.
Generally speaking, lathe work needs no CAD or CAM. G71 already does the job.
The net result of doing it with CAD/CAM will only be that he is unable to take any G-code of an old project and read, understand and adjust it for a - otherwise - 10 minutes jobby.
Learn the basics and proceede from there.
@@MuellerNick That's a little like saying "In order to really use your software properly, you should learn Objective C and write it yourself." It's a point of view, a perspective, but there are probably other perspectives that look at it quite differently. It's a trap to fall into the idea that "Everybody should do it the way I do it."
@@MuellerNick the best part about this trade is that there are dozens of good ways to do any job, and the learning process can take so many paths. He's ending up with quality finished parts and learning lessons along the way.
The Fusion workflow allows you to get a really clear picture of what's going on, which can be pretty helpful when you are responsible for replacing the machine if you fuck it up and you're just learning.
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sorry can't get into the cnc stuff; its just boring watching a computer run the job.
There are more steps - CNC is the only reason 99% of any machining in the US is left. Go check out Titan Gilroy. That doesn't make the hand job single step at a time any less fun or cutesy - but to produce parts at minimum cost CNC is the only way to go ONCE SET UP.
Boring for you, but time, labor, and money saving for Adam. I used to work all day around manual and CNC machines, and I would much rather watch the CNC's. Even the crashes were more spectacular.
You can always tell the shop that has a CNC setup……..they add a zero to the actual cost of the job.
Missing some of the shut up just working videos.
CNC…
Eh nah, boring.
When's the collaboration with TitansOfCNC coming ? @titansofcnc
That's what I'm talkin' bout.
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