To be fair, having to use a MAF and cats on the stock ECU isn't the end of the world, it's just a little harder, but if you have a MAF and a MAP as opposed to just a MAP you can make high drivability tunes a lot easier. More data is helpful, and plus if one fails the PCM can just quit listening to it.
The airline industry self regulates. Cleaner planes mean more efficient planes, means more money in their pocket. R&D is not cheap at the level of aviation. add to that the approval process from the FAA for any and all parts is incredibly time and money consuming. So yes, emissions issues move slower, but they do happen. The EPA goes for the lowest hanging fruit, it started with the "rolling coal" losers because they made themselves super visible.
I'm telling you, in the near future you'll have an under ground tuning scene with local tuners and their laptops spread by word of mouth so the EPA doesn't get them. Will be fun living like it's need for speed underground lol
The car community needs to learn from the gun community and fight the government in court. “Don’t get mad at Cobb” no be mad at Cobb. The correct thing to do is to not comply and fight it with the car community at its back. People in the 2A community put their whole companies on the line, I wish car companies had the spine to do the same.
Exactly, we should be mad as hell at Cobb for this. They knowingly sold expensive flex fuel kits to people that would be worthless literal days after the sale. The EPA is upholding laws that have already been shot down in court before. Cobb and other tuning and parts manufacturers don't need to comply they need to band together with a team of lawyers.
The issue I have here is that the products they’re removing literally say “for off road use only” obviously WE don’t use them that way but Cobb can’t control what it’s customers do with a product. Since it’s not meant to be used on the road (meaning track use) it’s technically not governed by the EPA. Hence why the EPA or government can’t fine you for using a coal rolling diesel truck on your private property. So I don’t buy the whole “epa made us do it” schtick
Yea thats what I don't get either. If they fine us with found "offroad use only" tunes, etc on the car I get that but what about the people that actually use these products as intended. Really sucks and is going to get harder and harder to tune stuff.
We are all gonna have to go back to carburetors. Or do what some people are already doing and buying 3d printers and making their own parts. Also, its not illegal to make a computer. So going stand alone is a viable, if annoying, and we are gonna have to become computer experts and learn to code to get big power. Or buy electric cars and go crazy with those.
Wrong again. The EPA can fine you for rolling coal on your own land. Why? Because you violated laws pertaining to the removal/defeating of emissions control of a vehicle. That law applies no matter where the vehicle is located.
There are no such thing as "off road use only" products. Thats a fake term people used for a while purely because the EPA didn't do anything about it yet. It means nothing. The EPA is suing COBB and other tuners... It doesnt matter what you can or can't do in your own property... That means nothing to the fat fine businesses like COBB are given.
@@falcongamer58 Look up Charles Schwab and the World Economic Forum. He says he wants us to live in a world where we own less and rent more. It is going to be a dystopian future.
At the end of the day, Cobb is selling software, and the Supreme Court has already ruled that software code is protected speech under the first amendment. I don’t think the EPA has the authority to decide which software you can sell.
Software specifically for motor vehicles is free speech or software in general? You have to remember there's a different set of rules that apply when you use public roadways since driving on them is considered a "privelage" and not a right. This is allows the govt more leeway in creating restrictions
@@swiftripper7557 code is code. It doesn’t matter what it’s intended for. If it can be copyrighted as a form of expression, then it’s protected speech. The intent is irrelevant. The government is not allowed to infringe on expression, in the United States. They can make it illegal to remap the ECU of your vehicle, but they cannot infringe on your ability to license your code. Therefore, if they want to enforce the use of such code on public motorways, they will have to find some way that does not include violating our first amendment rights. The very first law of our country prohibits them from doing so.
@@Necropheliac imagism a dystopian society where the brainwashed socialist or communist government & people agree to control software code 😳 seems like black mirror or something the architect from the matrix would do
@@Necropheliac it's the government. They'll find a loop hole to ban it. Look at Cali and NY. Both are the strictest places for firearm laws. They found loop holes to make it next to impossible to get one without outright going against the 2nd amendment. End of the day, its the government. They'll do what they want.
it's because cruise companies can fight back, and lobbyists are a thing. They could go after cruise ships, cargo ships, the whole cargo and ocean and aerospace industry honestly, but they go after the little guys because we can't really fight back
As someone who works on boats, if you try to kill off emissions on the ocean, the whole economy will come to a screeching halt. That would not only take forever to implement, but at the same time the boats themselves would most likely not be able to move under it's own power with the same restrictions that are put on cars. For them it's fine because the power to weight ratio is much better in highway vehicles, but for a massive ship making 100k+ HP, it's almost 100 to 1 weight to HP. With restrictions, they would be very difficult to move.
cruise ships get away from it because the oceans are hard to enforce. the companies are all HQ'd in some random island outside the US and dump all their trash in the ocean.
Pretty soon, a 'car meet' will be everyone with the same electric car with different wraps, wheels or stickers, listening to Nascar Aloe & eating Takis.🤦♂️ #FCKEVs
The stupid part about this and so much other crap the EPA does is they could be going after much bigger fish rather than the small minority of people on the road that actually tune the cars, but those bigger fish all have money so instead they come after us just so they can claim they're actually doing something
Damn this is sad, just started getting in to working on cars and got a job working on vehicles, wanted to start tuning and learning how but it seems like I picked the wrong time to jump in
It's not the end of any thing. Just practice responsible tuning, that means not messing with emissions control devices on the cars and you'll be fine. They even state in the video that for the VAST majority of tunes/tuners this will have very little effect on people.
@@RthereNEusernames people in the thread are getting whooshed. Of course it’s about the environment. Who else would benefit from denying tuners? Nobody. Its not like this is a money grab. Just sucks that this is obviously a slippery slope. Ca already has crazy emissions laws and for the most part some counties in Ca can/will inspect cars for violations and fine you.
@@archiei40x I'm imagining hybrid swaps with electric motors in place of the alternators on internal combustion engines to boost output and allow instantaneous start-stop (that isn't annoying) at stoplights.
I’ve already talked to people who are saving back dated versions of Cobbs software. They will be sharing backdated tuning and also working in cracking the current version but this from what I hear will only be needed for newer cars. If your car was supported by Cobb before this, this EPA BS won’t do anything.
This quote from the movie Hackers says it best. "This is our world now. The world of the electron and the switch; the beauty of the baud. We exist without nationality, skin color, or religious bias. You wage wars, murder, cheat, lie to us and try to make us believe it's for our own good, yet we're the criminals. Yes, I am a criminal. My crime is that of curiosity. I am a hacker, and this is my manifesto." Huh? Right? Manifesto? "You may stop me, but you can't stop us all."
Kinda in the middle with this, if we don't draw a line somewhere, we will lose our car culture. look at california and the laws they're passing. 😔 it will spread.
Got WRX appraised today, hopefully selling it tomorrow. Picked up a 2001 Corolla, can't wait to be done. The car is hot garbage in general them add in the headache of tuning. Forget it. Done with cars. Might buy some early 2000s mustang or something one day.
For people who are running catless downpipes and don’t want to sacrifice the check engine light, they could just add a Defouler on the downstream O2 to get around it right? It’s only like a $15 add on to get what you want
Pretty sure getting a pro tune, that wouldn’t need the Cobb interface would allow you to do whatever you want. It’s just that Cobb is such a easy way for the “average” person to get tuned
If the EPA cares that much, why don't that go after the big factories that produce more pollution from just one than the entirety of the car enthusiast community?
My thought exactly. Why not just force manufacturers to follow guidelines. Get stricter on cargo ship, big rigs, the stuff that's running 24/7 365 and make them clean shit up as opposed to the 1% of car owners who mod their cars. It makes no sense
Well that sucks. So this sucks for all the jdm people and anyone that likes building cars. Sounds like the EPA is doing what the government is trying to do with guns. It's all stupid
Open Source Software tuning might become a lot bigger because of this. People will start making their own ecu tuning software and the public will join in to work on it to continue to improve it like other open source projects. Might even get specific tunes uploaded to that software that mention what parts were used for this type of tune and what car it’s for which, would be really neat!
Guys I’m fucking terrified of what’s happening I’m a 19 year old car enthusiast wanting to wait a couple years to purchase my first project car and it feels like the car world won’t last another 10 years.
So stupid the EPA is focusing on the 10% of the population that are car enthusiasts. The mass of ANY of the EPA's concerns come from the other 90% of commuters. They should be focusing on the OEM's and factory standards of vehicles as that's what 95% of the cars on the road are. The 1% of people without cats is causing no where near the damage the EPA claims.
My dad tunes on the side and uses hp tuners for this stuff. And the new software locked like turning of secondary o2s and stuff. But if you kept the older software you can still do that stuff. So there’s still hope if you can find people still on the pre ban software.
Or... yanno... Don't tune out the secondary o2s... just use high flow cats and deal with the extra pound of backpressure over a straight pipe. If we didn't have everyone and their mom's dog pulling off all their emissions shit just because. If like 80% of people went to high flow cats rather than full catless systems we could learn to live together with the EPA
yes for some of us the 2 week window was no enough. I was in the middle of a break-in on my new block for my 500whp sti build and unfortunately I was forced accelerate things I just got tuned last Saturday thankfully my tunner was able to fit me in but still I was waiting on my fuelpump Hardwire kit from Iwire but it did no make it in time I was forced to settle for less power Than I want it because of fuel pressure dropping I was only able to make 457whp. and don't have the option to do a revision because my tunner is over booked. we all know is the EPA. but what is frustrating is how $hiity cobbs anousement was with current situation and shipping delays with most parts not having an option to overnight 2 weeks is nothing. 😒
2 weeks before their announcement I purchased about $3500 usd worth of parts from them. I haven’t even gotten any of my parts yet and had to go out and buy a stand alone ECU as I do have a Subaru making decent power. This is a shitty situation but it was bound to happen eventually. From my knowledge via my personal tuner, for Subarus, open source, Ecutek, and standalones are the future of tuning Subarus until everything goes all electric. It will take much longer to get tunes done these ways making building power on Subarus harder and more expensive than it already was, however it is still feasible. I may be completely wrong however I have heard rumours on various subaru pages that there are a few people trying to develop a program to essentially jailbreak accessports however I have no actual knowledge on that. As for what I do know it will be much harder for enthusiasts to make big power on these however it will still be possible
I think the EPA has already come after tuners using Hondata. If you’re not familiar with PFI Speed; he’s a Honda tuner in Colorado that has received a fine already. He also stated in a video a while back that they even demanded all of his customer information. I think this is eventually going to affect everyone.
Well it’s gonna come down to people 3D printing and custom fabbing up their own parts and learning how to code on their computers to make their own tunes and stuff. They can’t regulate or come after everyone. That’s what I’m learning to do as I post this.
Good to hear they are still tuning just not the anti emissions stuff. It blows for those that want to eliminate that stuff for sure just will have to find another way around it but the ability to tune and modify is still there......and hopefully will always be there
I don't think I've ever used a Cobb in any of my cars I've had in my 16 years of being an enthusiasts and many cars lol... But I look at this differently. I love the environment. I love the world, and the planet and oceans and seas. I love animals far more than Human's. But I STILL don't understand how or why the EPA decides to say "Hey let's make sure consumers are cracked down on, and not the mega corporations that pump out FAR more chemicals and problematic things to the environment than every consumer combined". Although we all know why, regardless of political affiliation or satire involved here. It's due to money. They need to do "something" and us, the average American car enthusiasts, are not paying them millions to billions to "sweep it under the rug". But those mega corporations; Even the ones in my shit city of Niagara Falls NY that make it smell like horrid ass five out of seven days a week -- They certain are. Or at the minimal, "someone" is to look the other way on them, and target the individual. Which to me, is a massive side of corruption that I severely dislike about the US. It's sort of like the "electric cars over gas cars" and the whole "electric stove over gas stove" thing. It's taking an inherent problem that is being looked the other way if you pay a lot of money to these people, and enforcing average citizens to pay the price of some dude making billions off their exploitation. The EPA needs "to do something" and it's like them putting a blind fold on and being told "find where to pin to save the world" and the person paying them points them into the direction of people instead of the board. Clearly, we "need to do something", but these are not the answers. These never have been; It's just sad that we've gotten to the point where "the consumer" is paying the price for "the manufacturer" even at this level.
I think it just goes hand in hand with everything else. Theyre pushing the global warming agenda hard, in order to add credibility they have to do changes where we can see so that we believe it. If they regulate the big companies then we really wouldnt notice or it wouldnt be so evident. Either way its all bullshit. They dont really care about us.
Honestly, me myself with a mk3 Scirocco, i took the tuning in to my own Hands. Took me a year to learn but i am off the nipple from the big Companies... and i can compare with APR
Idk why I was so worried about this, I'm running a piggyback on my car like it's the 2000s all over again, we'll adapt we always have and we always will
This is the industry not putting their money where their mouth is and banding together to fight the EPA lies. The few groups that actually did aren't getting the support they need from the community. This is about the law of averages overall if the EPA actually wanted to see a end to cars making pollution they would just say it was done. Instead they will nickel and dime the aftermarket to death and keep taking money from BIG Auto making more money to fund their agenda and growth.
you can still run a catless dp with a cobb tune, just trick your o2 into thinking you have a cat. ive already done it. you can also still do speed density for subaru, its only disabled for nissan. in terms of subarus you just cant do evap system deletes or tgv deletes. only damper it puts on me is not being able to run flex, or convert to a brz intake manifold because that manifold doesnt have a spot for an egr
@@noelrymbai9757 no never tried on a newer wrx, I’d look online and see if anyone has but for my 14 it’s working right now. What I mean by sometimes it doesn’t work is you can do the trick and you just still get a cel. Most of the time it works though. This trick has been around for a really long time.
"It's just a couple steps backwards" next "it's just a few more steps backwards" eventually "no mods allowed" before finally "no personal vehicles" this is what's coming people.
Thanks for the info. It is sad that this is the future.. Thank you Chris from Panda for those words.. That is what people need to hear this day in age rather than come with pitchforks to the companies still helping us out..
If you're utilizing an access port as a reflashing device then it will effect you to an extent. If you're utilizing an standalone ecu or some other means of reflashing than you won't be effected at all.
It's already affected the tuners. The tuners have been getting more and more scared to do certain things, many things, and alot of the big shops started flat out refusing.
The EPA is a rogue organization with no business legislating like this, and you will never, NEVER convince me that they shouldn't be abolished immediately and outright.
I'd also say this really isn't as much as making a car more powerful as much as changing how it accelerates but I consider myself a car guy but I'm semi sort of a purist. I don't really modify my cars mechanically . Cosmetically some or small subtle things like that. But say I wanted my gen 4 Camaro to accelerate quicker...Id just do a rear end gear swap. Something like from what is it?..a 3.45 to a 3.73. It doesn't mess with the emissions systems on the vehicle and gets better acceleration for the vehicle and keeps the engine closer to its powerband at speed within certain limits. Obviously the price you pay is higher rpms on the highway and less gas mileage but ya know..Performance aint cheap anyhow. Want better highway mileage? Either stay with stock gearing or if ya can afford to go with taller than stock gearing. Or do a manual swap trans if ya want. For someone like me on a budget I don't like breaking shit on my cars so Id do the least invasive mods to them. I like working around the engine and gearing is one of them I like doing. Imagine taking a gen 4 Camaro and having an 8 speed auto instead of a 4 speed. Id say that with the manual but turns out they actually did have a 6 speed manual for those years. XD Anyhow. I don't need more power in my car that would lead me to be irresponsible with. Just good drivability characteristics over all. I'm not a racer boy. Also for automatic cars there high stall converters so don't forget those.
Holy crap I been using same tune for couple years now on my accessport. Then I tried logging in and got s007 error. Looked it up and seen all the forums ranting about what happened and man, am I late to the party. Now I need to make adjustments and I'm screwed. Going to try open-source tuning with taxtrics cable.
I really started feeling bad for the people at COBB with all the rude comments flying their way. They listed on their website a few months in advance that they weren't selling those parts anymore. People failed to do their research.
Just bought 4k dollars worth of parts intercooler, down pipe and exhaust for my focus rs and was very pissed to know that they did this without warning, if they had at least given us a 30 days heads up so that i could get it tuned i wouldve been a little more understanding
Literally have boxes of car parts in my living room waiting to get more cash together for a tune to get news like this is terrible. Nothing is a tgv or egr delete or anything like that but it does include a new turbo.
It’s the end of shitty exhaust notes and bad emissions choices. Cobb sucks for how they handled this, but we saw it coming when small shops got nailed. Then the gov took the info and went after suppliers. You can build good power with emissions devices still working, I feel for those whom bought parts recently and weren’t warned, like buying at full price, next day 50% sale and salesperson never mentions it.
Never heard of COBB. I'm glad I grew up in the 90's and 00's as jdm racer in me has retired. Still own my modded Z32TT. I used to dread goin to CA smog stations. Now I'm in NV and it is exempt because it's driven less than 5000 miles/yr. I will still build the Z for more power. But until then I love my Tesla as a daily. No more oil leaks, smog checks, overheating, fuel smells, etc. Only ICE cars that I may consider purchasing will be old cars that are smog exempt because of all of this emissions BS
Call me crazy, but aren't there enough hybrids and electric vehicles to off set those who want to build big? It's been a while since I've built up a jeep or tuner so not sure. Just my theory.
I'm gonna be real with you, maybe this hurts the subie guys, but for me I really don't care too much. On the 335i cobb was never that great compared to JB4 and MHD, and this often applies to other cars as well, tuning tools and tech catered to specific models tend to be better and have way more functionality than cobb handheld tuners ever did. Plus you can still get one, even though it's not "road legal" almost everyone I know runs catless downpipes and those aren't "road legal"
It's not about the Subie Guys or Cobb. Cobb was one of the biggest tuners, the EPA will keep going. It's the predecence that it sets. It raises the question of who's next. Because they won't end with Cobb.
Bro the EPA banning car mods is just making me pissed because I'm trying to get my first car and want to do a sundown audio install but now I rather ride my bike if EV's take over.
Nope Cobb rolled over and played the epa game. Screw them! Move on! Anyone who bends knee gets the Sparta kick and we find someone else! These are the same people who put a mountain of money to unlock the gtr ecu. They don't care about their customers, they only care about money. Look at their social media they turned off all comments.
This situation is dumb as hell because the sports cars community is just an easy target. There are way worst environment related issues out there such as garbage and old used tires landfills where they straight up BURN them. Then we have airplanes, trains, cruise ships, etc. You're telling me sports cars are worst than those? Think about this. When you're driving, how many sports cars do you normally see? Not many. And we can break it down even more. How many sports cars are actually heavily modified? Not many. The sports cars community is niche and small. A lot of people I know who own sports cars don't even modify them except cosmetics like wheels, window tinting, etc. This is just typical gov't overreaching where a bunch of old ass rich boomers who are out of touch and think they know everything. It's essentially that useless manager at work who does the bare minimum in order to keep their job. As for Cobb Tuning. I don't outright blame them. They gotta do what they gotta do to stay in business. HOWEVER, I do agree with others that it's scummy of them to continue selling products when this big update was coming.
No , the EPA screwed you. All of those parts aside from FF are still usable with no difference. COBB is offering refunds for FF and will hopefully have a new version later.
ECUTek is doing the same thing starting August 1… you know how many 7sec GT-Rs and 350/370z cars will be affected? Yeet yeet. Edit: btw… the modified car community affects 1.5% of the entire pollution problem….. 🤷🏻♂️🤦♂️
Would it affect me if I’m getting my car tuned in person and not an off-the-shelf tune? Because I want to get a turbo system for my car and it already has an EGR delete. When I get my car tuned again once the turbo system is installed I really don’t want to put that egr back on there.
So…okay question, you never mention any of the Hondadata or Ktuners. I’m assuming this really impacts turbocharged cars? As I associate cobb with force induction tuning.
I kind of have mixed feeling on this one. I think its stupid how many people run catless on otherwise stock cars and stink up the roads. But I do understand that if your doing a big power build high flow cats are not ideal.
Smeedia is the goat he always has the best answers and is really good at explaining these things, more so than Cobb themselves. Definitely check his video out fully breaking down the whole cobb update
I'm just like your bud. In the middle of going tgv delete, and flex fuel, waiting for a month and a half now on back order parts. Now I'm out another $1500 to switch to ECUtek. But how long until they are hit? Anyone got a crystal ball? Because I feel like I'm racing against the fed at this point.
this is jsut sad, the epa could do many things but decides it's time is better used wasting other people's money and time. Plus the changes they're trying to implement have little effect for the overall enviornment and they could be doing much more actual work to better protect the enviornment if they would focus more on doing the real job rather than attacking consumers who are modding their vehicle. For those interested, SEMA has been fighting back against the EPA for a while now so you can head over to their website to help them out with protecting our right to modding vehicles.
This makes somewhat sense but then it does not. I get they want to make it California legal but there are way more than just one state and also in states like MA if your vehicle is x amount of years old then you dont have to worry about certain emissions on your vehicle in order for it to pass inspection. Flat out its legal to not have a Cat or egr because the vehicle is basically exempt from the emissions part of the inspection. So while I get it California is killing it for all of us.
All car people need to now move away from COBB. Let them know how we feel about this. Thankfully, I never bought any COBB parts for my Speed3, other than the Accessport. But I will never buy another part of theirs again.
@@regalcatnetwork8068 Unless more has come out since this announcement, that isn't true for at least the Mazda platforms. Since that's all I can speak for, we have COBB and Versatune. Some people will be moving to Versatune for their high horsepower builds because of this. Will it catch up to all of them? Yes, I have no doubt about that. Governments exist, so they'll find a way to crack down on modifying cars in general and then cars as a whole later.
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Even with all these crazy things happening, we’re still building our cars!
www.fitmentindustries.com/
Who’s getting their build ready for show season?
To be fair, having to use a MAF and cats on the stock ECU isn't the end of the world, it's just a little harder, but if you have a MAF and a MAP as opposed to just a MAP you can make high drivability tunes a lot easier. More data is helpful, and plus if one fails the PCM can just quit listening to it.
My favorite tuning company will most likely end up being me.
@@lamesamelame just don't let them sail their ships in our waters
Amazing what happens wen people believe in globe warming. RIP Cobb
Love that the EPA is cracking down on us car guys and gals, but not the airline industry They put out way more emmissions than cars
shit is hilarious, them and corporations cause like 98% of it but yeah lets fuck average citizens cause they don't make us money
@L W yeah lets put a muffler and cat on a jet engine, you obviously have no fucking clue.
OH MY GOD! Thank you so much for including girls. But so agree. It's crazy.
Rules for thee but not for mee
The airline industry self regulates. Cleaner planes mean more efficient planes, means more money in their pocket. R&D is not cheap at the level of aviation. add to that the approval process from the FAA for any and all parts is incredibly time and money consuming. So yes, emissions issues move slower, but they do happen.
The EPA goes for the lowest hanging fruit, it started with the "rolling coal" losers because they made themselves super visible.
I'm telling you, in the near future you'll have an under ground tuning scene with local tuners and their laptops spread by word of mouth so the EPA doesn't get them. Will be fun living like it's need for speed underground lol
We live like that now in Eu cuz in most country’s its illegal to change power of car 😅
That doesn't sound fun at all
@@matejm8060 damn, america really do be the beacon of freedom for the car community. Well and Mexico, that car scene is just built different
there are so many crybabies in these comments. they have Pikachu faces about bypassing this. weird
@@interceptingfist5682 just sounds like california
The car community needs to learn from the gun community and fight the government in court. “Don’t get mad at Cobb” no be mad at Cobb. The correct thing to do is to not comply and fight it with the car community at its back. People in the 2A community put their whole companies on the line, I wish car companies had the spine to do the same.
Amen, man!
Exactly, we should be mad as hell at Cobb for this. They knowingly sold expensive flex fuel kits to people that would be worthless literal days after the sale. The EPA is upholding laws that have already been shot down in court before. Cobb and other tuning and parts manufacturers don't need to comply they need to band together with a team of lawyers.
THIS!
EXACTLY!! If you give an inch, they will take a MILE!
The government is pure evil.
The issue I have here is that the products they’re removing literally say “for off road use only” obviously WE don’t use them that way but Cobb can’t control what it’s customers do with a product. Since it’s not meant to be used on the road (meaning track use) it’s technically not governed by the EPA. Hence why the EPA or government can’t fine you for using a coal rolling diesel truck on your private property. So I don’t buy the whole “epa made us do it” schtick
Yea thats what I don't get either. If they fine us with found "offroad use only" tunes, etc on the car I get that but what about the people that actually use these products as intended. Really sucks and is going to get harder and harder to tune stuff.
We are all gonna have to go back to carburetors. Or do what some people are already doing and buying 3d printers and making their own parts. Also, its not illegal to make a computer. So going stand alone is a viable, if annoying, and we are gonna have to become computer experts and learn to code to get big power.
Or buy electric cars and go crazy with those.
Wrong again. The EPA can fine you for rolling coal on your own land. Why? Because you violated laws pertaining to the removal/defeating of emissions control of a vehicle. That law applies no matter where the vehicle is located.
There are no such thing as "off road use only" products. Thats a fake term people used for a while purely because the EPA didn't do anything about it yet. It means nothing. The EPA is suing COBB and other tuners... It doesnt matter what you can or can't do in your own property... That means nothing to the fat fine businesses like COBB are given.
That part
Living in a world where everything fun gets removed to "make our lives better" and everything slowly becoming farenheit 451 is a little depressing
I've been feeling like the world is coming to an "end" in a certain way by 2030 and everything after that year would be pure stagnation and monotony
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@@falcongamer58 Look up Charles Schwab and the World Economic Forum. He says he wants us to live in a world where we own less and rent more. It is going to be a dystopian future.
@@jamesharris7240 i know about his plans, very sad that not enough people know about it, much less do anything about it
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At the end of the day, Cobb is selling software, and the Supreme Court has already ruled that software code is protected speech under the first amendment. I don’t think the EPA has the authority to decide which software you can sell.
Software specifically for motor vehicles is free speech or software in general? You have to remember there's a different set of rules that apply when you use public roadways since driving on them is considered a "privelage" and not a right. This is allows the govt more leeway in creating restrictions
@@swiftripper7557 code is code. It doesn’t matter what it’s intended for. If it can be copyrighted as a form of expression, then it’s protected speech. The intent is irrelevant.
The government is not allowed to infringe on expression, in the United States.
They can make it illegal to remap the ECU of your vehicle, but they cannot infringe on your ability to license your code. Therefore, if they want to enforce the use of such code on public motorways, they will have to find some way that does not include violating our first amendment rights. The very first law of our country prohibits them from doing so.
@@Necropheliac imagism a dystopian society where the brainwashed socialist or communist government & people agree to control software code 😳 seems like black mirror or something the architect from the matrix would do
@@Necropheliac it's the government. They'll find a loop hole to ban it. Look at Cali and NY. Both are the strictest places for firearm laws. They found loop holes to make it next to impossible to get one without outright going against the 2nd amendment.
End of the day, its the government. They'll do what they want.
@@tcmbrown 🐑
looks like its time for an opensource tuning suite, raspberry pi's have gotten pretty impressive over the last few years
I'm all for open source anything.
Eyyyyyy, Appreciate the shout out you guys!
Aye i watch you!!!!
Sleep…
Appreciate you dropping the info man! Love the content
if the epa actually cared they would go after things like cruise ships first. cruise ships pollute a lot more than cars do
it's because cruise companies can fight back, and lobbyists are a thing. They could go after cruise ships, cargo ships, the whole cargo and ocean and aerospace industry honestly, but they go after the little guys because we can't really fight back
As someone who works on boats, if you try to kill off emissions on the ocean, the whole economy will come to a screeching halt. That would not only take forever to implement, but at the same time the boats themselves would most likely not be able to move under it's own power with the same restrictions that are put on cars. For them it's fine because the power to weight ratio is much better in highway vehicles, but for a massive ship making 100k+ HP, it's almost 100 to 1 weight to HP. With restrictions, they would be very difficult to move.
cruise ships get away from it because the oceans are hard to enforce. the companies are all HQ'd in some random island outside the US and dump all their trash in the ocean.
Pretty soon, a 'car meet' will be everyone with the same electric car with different wraps, wheels or stickers, listening to Nascar Aloe & eating Takis.🤦♂️ #FCKEVs
Nascar Aloe sounds better than a straight piped civic. #facts.
Gta 5 online with them mods 😂
I think custom electric swaps will pick up pretty soon. It's going to be fun.
Even though evs are not good for the environment
The stupid part about this and so much other crap the EPA does is they could be going after much bigger fish rather than the small minority of people on the road that actually tune the cars, but those bigger fish all have money so instead they come after us just so they can claim they're actually doing something
It's not about doing the right thing, they're just using their power for fun
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Epa/big DADDY government is in bed with corporations; the people are their enemies
There’s so many other things that the EPA could be focusing on ya. But no they are just going to bully the car community.
Damn this is sad, just started getting in to working on cars and got a job working on vehicles, wanted to start tuning and learning how but it seems like I picked the wrong time to jump in
If it’s something you really want to do do it. Remember the game don’t change only the players
It's not the end of any thing. Just practice responsible tuning, that means not messing with emissions control devices on the cars and you'll be fine. They even state in the video that for the VAST majority of tunes/tuners this will have very little effect on people.
and everything gonna be even more expensive:((
@@ilyHate. Why? Has Cobb increased their prices? It doesn't look that way.
@@brandons9138 oops i replied to the wrong comment lmaoo
Its not about the environment, its political and about money.
So who is benefiting from this?
I promise you it's about the environment. It's just stupid though.
Careful. You'll get banned by the system, for saying something truth like that.
Literally the gov telling them to do this... why can't you wrap this around your tiny heads
@@InfiniteWorr Right and why would the government tell companies to do this?
@@RthereNEusernames people in the thread are getting whooshed. Of course it’s about the environment. Who else would benefit from denying tuners? Nobody. Its not like this is a money grab. Just sucks that this is obviously a slippery slope. Ca already has crazy emissions laws and for the most part some counties in Ca can/will inspect cars for violations and fine you.
the tuning community will never die and theres obviously a new gen coming
It's coming, how much juice you can squeeze out of the batteries per second.
@@archiei40x I'm imagining hybrid swaps with electric motors in place of the alternators on internal combustion engines to boost output and allow instantaneous start-stop (that isn't annoying) at stoplights.
I hope you're right
I’ve already talked to people who are saving back dated versions of Cobbs software. They will be sharing backdated tuning and also working in cracking the current version but this from what I hear will only be needed for newer cars. If your car was supported by Cobb before this, this EPA BS won’t do anything.
This quote from the movie Hackers says it best. "This is our world now. The world of the electron and the switch; the beauty of the baud. We exist without nationality, skin color, or religious bias. You wage wars, murder, cheat, lie to us and try to make us believe it's for our own good, yet we're the criminals. Yes, I am a criminal. My crime is that of curiosity. I am a hacker, and this is my manifesto." Huh? Right? Manifesto? "You may stop me, but you can't stop us all."
Kinda in the middle with this, if we don't draw a line somewhere, we will lose our car culture. look at california and the laws they're passing. 😔 it will spread.
Smeedia always coming in clutch with the info!
@Smeedia
Got WRX appraised today, hopefully selling it tomorrow. Picked up a 2001 Corolla, can't wait to be done. The car is hot garbage in general them add in the headache of tuning. Forget it. Done with cars. Might buy some early 2000s mustang or something one day.
I’m not sure what’s wrong with me but I could really use an emotional support Porsche GT3 RS right now.
I agree. This would be.. beautiful. -Edgar
For people who are running catless downpipes and don’t want to sacrifice the check engine light, they could just add a Defouler on the downstream O2 to get around it right? It’s only like a $15 add on to get what you want
Ok.... so how are we getting around this?
There’s always a way.
Pretty sure getting a pro tune, that wouldn’t need the Cobb interface would allow you to do whatever you want. It’s just that Cobb is such a easy way for the “average” person to get tuned
aftermarket ECUs won't have this problem
@@H4zZ4rDGaming1 emissions tests require the factory ECU
@@nissanguy16 ah I see. I don't live in an area requiring emissions testing
Get someone remote from Europe
Car enthusiasts: you are now the scapegoat for global warming
🔥🔥🔥🥺 -Edgar
I'll slap a carb on an LS swap so damn fast...
If the EPA cares that much, why don't that go after the big factories that produce more pollution from just one than the entirety of the car enthusiast community?
My thought exactly. Why not just force manufacturers to follow guidelines. Get stricter on cargo ship, big rigs, the stuff that's running 24/7 365 and make them clean shit up as opposed to the 1% of car owners who mod their cars. It makes no sense
Because thats where the money is
& unfortunately we are the minority in this case
Because those are titans of industry they have the money and power to fight back.
Aftermarket Car modification industry doesn't.
Well that sucks. So this sucks for all the jdm people and anyone that likes building cars. Sounds like the EPA is doing what the government is trying to do with guns. It's all stupid
🥲🥲🥲 -Edgar
Open Source Software tuning might become a lot bigger because of this. People will start making their own ecu tuning software and the public will join in to work on it to continue to improve it like other open source projects. Might even get specific tunes uploaded to that software that mention what parts were used for this type of tune and what car it’s for which, would be really neat!
allready exists, for years
It’s just going to further enhance it now. -Edgar
This. Time for some Hackers and coders to get to work. This is part of a bigger issue surrounding our right to repair and modify.
Guys I’m fucking terrified of what’s happening I’m a 19 year old car enthusiast wanting to wait a couple years to purchase my first project car and it feels like the car world won’t last another 10 years.
Don’t lose hope! -Edgar
So stupid the EPA is focusing on the 10% of the population that are car enthusiasts. The mass of ANY of the EPA's concerns come from the other 90% of commuters. They should be focusing on the OEM's and factory standards of vehicles as that's what 95% of the cars on the road are. The 1% of people without cats is causing no where near the damage the EPA claims.
My dad tunes on the side and uses hp tuners for this stuff. And the new software locked like turning of secondary o2s and stuff. But if you kept the older software you can still do that stuff. So there’s still hope if you can find people still on the pre ban software.
or just buy it from a company that isn't regulated. there is no way they can enforce this on tuners. only businesses.
@@yourakunt4909 gotta buy the software to be able to tune, from a company
Remove this before it gets attacked also. 😆
Or... yanno... Don't tune out the secondary o2s... just use high flow cats and deal with the extra pound of backpressure over a straight pipe. If we didn't have everyone and their mom's dog pulling off all their emissions shit just because. If like 80% of people went to high flow cats rather than full catless systems we could learn to live together with the EPA
@@nissanguy16 people will find a way around anything. you can make new programs and change programs.
yes for some of us the 2 week window was no enough. I was in the middle of a break-in on my new block for my 500whp sti build and unfortunately I was forced accelerate things I just got tuned last Saturday thankfully my tunner was able to fit me in but still I was waiting on my fuelpump Hardwire kit from Iwire but it did no make it in time I was forced to settle for less power Than I want it because of fuel pressure dropping I was only able to make 457whp. and don't have the option to do a revision because my tunner is over booked. we all know is the EPA. but what is frustrating is how $hiity cobbs anousement was with current situation and shipping delays with most parts not having an option to overnight 2 weeks is nothing. 😒
2 weeks before their announcement I purchased about $3500 usd worth of parts from them. I haven’t even gotten any of my parts yet and had to go out and buy a stand alone ECU as I do have a Subaru making decent power. This is a shitty situation but it was bound to happen eventually. From my knowledge via my personal tuner, for Subarus, open source, Ecutek, and standalones are the future of tuning Subarus until everything goes all electric. It will take much longer to get tunes done these ways making building power on Subarus harder and more expensive than it already was, however it is still feasible. I may be completely wrong however I have heard rumours on various subaru pages that there are a few people trying to develop a program to essentially jailbreak accessports however I have no actual knowledge on that. As for what I do know it will be much harder for enthusiasts to make big power on these however it will still be possible
Stay away from my Hondata😡
and ktuner :(
I have a feeling Hondata will go down fighting and won’t cave in to these EPA pussies. I just wanna build my car and enjoy life man, this world sucks
I think the EPA has already come after tuners using Hondata. If you’re not familiar with PFI Speed; he’s a Honda tuner in Colorado that has received a fine already. He also stated in a video a while back that they even demanded all of his customer information. I think this is eventually going to affect everyone.
Well it’s gonna come down to people 3D printing and custom fabbing up their own parts and learning how to code on their computers to make their own tunes and stuff. They can’t regulate or come after everyone. That’s what I’m learning to do as I post this.
Glad I went with open source
Good to hear they are still tuning just not the anti emissions stuff. It blows for those that want to eliminate that stuff for sure just will have to find another way around it but the ability to tune and modify is still there......and hopefully will always be there
Not much of an issue for the VW/Audi tunes. Just keep the Catalytic converter and you’re good.
🤝🤝🤝 -Edgar
I don't think I've ever used a Cobb in any of my cars I've had in my 16 years of being an enthusiasts and many cars lol...
But I look at this differently.
I love the environment. I love the world, and the planet and oceans and seas. I love animals far more than Human's. But I STILL don't understand how or why the EPA decides to say "Hey let's make sure consumers are cracked down on, and not the mega corporations that pump out FAR more chemicals and problematic things to the environment than every consumer combined".
Although we all know why, regardless of political affiliation or satire involved here.
It's due to money. They need to do "something" and us, the average American car enthusiasts, are not paying them millions to billions to "sweep it under the rug". But those mega corporations; Even the ones in my shit city of Niagara Falls NY that make it smell like horrid ass five out of seven days a week -- They certain are. Or at the minimal, "someone" is to look the other way on them, and target the individual. Which to me, is a massive side of corruption that I severely dislike about the US.
It's sort of like the "electric cars over gas cars" and the whole "electric stove over gas stove" thing.
It's taking an inherent problem that is being looked the other way if you pay a lot of money to these people, and enforcing average citizens to pay the price of some dude making billions off their exploitation. The EPA needs "to do something" and it's like them putting a blind fold on and being told "find where to pin to save the world" and the person paying them points them into the direction of people instead of the board. Clearly, we "need to do something", but these are not the answers. These never have been; It's just sad that we've gotten to the point where "the consumer" is paying the price for "the manufacturer" even at this level.
I think it just goes hand in hand with everything else. Theyre pushing the global warming agenda hard, in order to add credibility they have to do changes where we can see so that we believe it. If they regulate the big companies then we really wouldnt notice or it wouldnt be so evident. Either way its all bullshit. They dont really care about us.
Crazy how EPA is cracking down on car enthusiasts whenever mega yachts exist.
Thank you for making this video to help understand the situation.
🤝🤝🤝 -Edgar
Trying to force everyone to go ⚡️
It’s going to be interesting.. -Edgar
Honestly, me myself with a mk3 Scirocco, i took the tuning in to my own Hands. Took me a year to learn but i am off the nipple from the big Companies... and i can compare with APR
they just forcing people for electric cars. simply boring
time to walk
Idk why I was so worried about this, I'm running a piggyback on my car like it's the 2000s all over again, we'll adapt we always have and we always will
I'm so glad we have no emission testing here in Canada.
This is the industry not putting their money where their mouth is and banding together to fight the EPA lies. The few groups that actually did aren't getting the support they need from the community. This is about the law of averages overall if the EPA actually wanted to see a end to cars making pollution they would just say it was done. Instead they will nickel and dime the aftermarket to death and keep taking money from BIG Auto making more money to fund their agenda and growth.
you can still run a catless dp with a cobb tune, just trick your o2 into thinking you have a cat. ive already done it. you can also still do speed density for subaru, its only disabled for nissan. in terms of subarus you just cant do evap system deletes or tgv deletes. only damper it puts on me is not being able to run flex, or convert to a brz intake manifold because that manifold doesnt have a spot for an egr
How do you trick the o2 sensor? Spacers?
@@noelrymbai9757 spark plug defoulers. Most of the time it works sometimes it doesn’t.
@@MidoChan808 you tried it on a 15+ wrx? And what do you mean it sometimes doesn’t work
@@noelrymbai9757 no never tried on a newer wrx, I’d look online and see if anyone has but for my 14 it’s working right now. What I mean by sometimes it doesn’t work is you can do the trick and you just still get a cel. Most of the time it works though. This trick has been around for a really long time.
Subaru probably said something to Cobb to acclimate us to an electric STi
"It's just a couple steps backwards"
next
"it's just a few more steps backwards"
eventually
"no mods allowed"
before finally
"no personal vehicles"
this is what's coming people.
Thanks for the info. It is sad that this is the future.. Thank you Chris from Panda for those words.. That is what people need to hear this day in age rather than come with pitchforks to the companies still helping us out..
I’m buying a carburetor....
Based
How does this affect regular dyno tunes? Will the new rules and changes caused by the EPA make it so we can’t tune our cars at a Dyno?
If you're utilizing an access port as a reflashing device then it will effect you to an extent. If you're utilizing an standalone ecu or some other means of reflashing than you won't be effected at all.
It's already affected the tuners.
The tuners have been getting more and more scared to do certain things, many things, and alot of the big shops started flat out refusing.
Mazdaspeed is effected as well but not as severe. These cars have killer EGR valves and whoopsies, now mine can't be deleted to pass inspection.
Oh naw. 😳 -Edgar
The EPA is a rogue organization with no business legislating like this, and you will never, NEVER convince me that they shouldn't be abolished immediately and outright.
The answer is going back to sbc and sbf with Holley's and nitrous :D either way we gonna have a hog ass cam.
As a government employee, I hate this government.
Y’all are going through stuff. 🥲 -Edgar
Ayyy a Smeedia plug seen the wild. My man Smeedia.
I'd also say this really isn't as much as making a car more powerful as much as changing how it accelerates but I consider myself a car guy but I'm semi sort of a purist. I don't really modify my cars mechanically . Cosmetically some or small subtle things like that. But say I wanted my gen 4 Camaro to accelerate quicker...Id just do a rear end gear swap. Something like from what is it?..a 3.45 to a 3.73. It doesn't mess with the emissions systems on the vehicle and gets better acceleration for the vehicle and keeps the engine closer to its powerband at speed within certain limits. Obviously the price you pay is higher rpms on the highway and less gas mileage but ya know..Performance aint cheap anyhow. Want better highway mileage? Either stay with stock gearing or if ya can afford to go with taller than stock gearing. Or do a manual swap trans if ya want. For someone like me on a budget I don't like breaking shit on my cars so Id do the least invasive mods to them. I like working around the engine and gearing is one of them I like doing. Imagine taking a gen 4 Camaro and having an 8 speed auto instead of a 4 speed. Id say that with the manual but turns out they actually did have a 6 speed manual for those years. XD Anyhow. I don't need more power in my car that would lead me to be irresponsible with. Just good drivability characteristics over all. I'm not a racer boy. Also for automatic cars there high stall converters so don't forget those.
@smeedia , Tanner getting a huge shoutout here!
Holy crap I been using same tune for couple years now on my accessport. Then I tried logging in and got s007 error. Looked it up and seen all the forums ranting about what happened and man, am I late to the party. Now I need to make adjustments and I'm screwed. Going to try open-source tuning with taxtrics cable.
Love that you guys talk about running tunes as well! Keep up the awesome content!!
🙏🙏🙏 thanks for the support! -Edgar
I really started feeling bad for the people at COBB with all the rude comments flying their way. They listed on their website a few months in advance that they weren't selling those parts anymore. People failed to do their research.
Given enough time, government will take everything away.
I said it 3yrs ago... Everyone start learning how to tune ur platforms yourselves, it's not that hard if u do good research 1st.
Just bought 4k dollars worth of parts intercooler, down pipe and exhaust for my focus rs and was very pissed to know that they did this without warning, if they had at least given us a 30 days heads up so that i could get it tuned i wouldve been a little more understanding
Literally have boxes of car parts in my living room waiting to get more cash together for a tune to get news like this is terrible. Nothing is a tgv or egr delete or anything like that but it does include a new turbo.
I don’t understand why they are banning flex fuel if it burns cleaner than gas
🤷🏽♂️🤷🏽♂️🤷🏽♂️ -Edgar
It’s the end of shitty exhaust notes and bad emissions choices. Cobb sucks for how they handled this, but we saw it coming when small shops got nailed. Then the gov took the info and went after suppliers. You can build good power with emissions devices still working, I feel for those whom bought parts recently and weren’t warned, like buying at full price, next day 50% sale and salesperson never mentions it.
@smeedia is THE guy for all Subie enthusiast! Hands down
Why is the epa never stopped? It's like they just do whatever they want
luckily for all 3 of us in the world that use HPTuners we'll be okay for now.
I'm just happy I have an un-updated AP. Good enough for me
Never heard of COBB. I'm glad I grew up in the 90's and 00's as jdm racer in me has retired. Still own my modded Z32TT. I used to dread goin to CA smog stations. Now I'm in NV and it is exempt because it's driven less than 5000 miles/yr. I will still build the Z for more power. But until then I love my Tesla as a daily. No more oil leaks, smog checks, overheating, fuel smells, etc. Only ICE cars that I may consider purchasing will be old cars that are smog exempt because of all of this emissions BS
Call me crazy, but aren't there enough hybrids and electric vehicles to off set those who want to build big? It's been a while since I've built up a jeep or tuner so not sure. Just my theory.
That isn't how it works.
2016 wxr stock here, I'm gonna get a Cobb Access port. Thank you!
I'm gonna be real with you, maybe this hurts the subie guys, but for me I really don't care too much. On the 335i cobb was never that great compared to JB4 and MHD, and this often applies to other cars as well, tuning tools and tech catered to specific models tend to be better and have way more functionality than cobb handheld tuners ever did. Plus you can still get one, even though it's not "road legal" almost everyone I know runs catless downpipes and those aren't "road legal"
It's not about the Subie Guys or Cobb.
Cobb was one of the biggest tuners, the EPA will keep going. It's the predecence that it sets.
It raises the question of who's next. Because they won't end with Cobb.
Bro the EPA banning car mods is just making me pissed because I'm trying to get my first car and want to do a sundown audio install but now I rather ride my bike if EV's take over.
Nope Cobb rolled over and played the epa game. Screw them! Move on! Anyone who bends knee gets the Sparta kick and we find someone else! These are the same people who put a mountain of money to unlock the gtr ecu. They don't care about their customers, they only care about money. Look at their social media they turned off all comments.
This situation is dumb as hell because the sports cars community is just an easy target. There are way worst environment related issues out there such as garbage and old used tires landfills where they straight up BURN them. Then we have airplanes, trains, cruise ships, etc. You're telling me sports cars are worst than those? Think about this. When you're driving, how many sports cars do you normally see? Not many. And we can break it down even more. How many sports cars are actually heavily modified? Not many. The sports cars community is niche and small. A lot of people I know who own sports cars don't even modify them except cosmetics like wheels, window tinting, etc. This is just typical gov't overreaching where a bunch of old ass rich boomers who are out of touch and think they know everything. It's essentially that useless manager at work who does the bare minimum in order to keep their job.
As for Cobb Tuning. I don't outright blame them. They gotta do what they gotta do to stay in business. HOWEVER, I do agree with others that it's scummy of them to continue selling products when this big update was coming.
Even if the EPA forced COBBs hand they should’ve at the very least given people minimal 2 months notice….
kinda funny that epa targets the people who probably only run their car in weekends for a couple of hours
Oh yeah thank god they’re cracking down on this and not industrial farming.
😅😅😅 -Edgar
I bought cobb flex fuel kit, fmic, j pipe, accessport, all cobb parts. Now I dont have money to tune. Cobb screwed me hard
No , the EPA screwed you. All of those parts aside from FF are still usable with no difference. COBB is offering refunds for FF and will hopefully have a new version later.
ECUTek is doing the same thing starting August 1… you know how many 7sec GT-Rs and 350/370z cars will be affected? Yeet yeet. Edit: btw… the modified car community affects 1.5% of the entire pollution problem….. 🤷🏻♂️🤦♂️
I think Cob. Should let us choose. I’m currently waiting on maps from Freektune
Would it affect me if I’m getting my car tuned in person and not an off-the-shelf tune? Because I want to get a turbo system for my car and it already has an EGR delete. When I get my car tuned again once the turbo system is installed I really don’t want to put that egr back on there.
So…okay question, you never mention any of the Hondadata or Ktuners. I’m assuming this really impacts turbocharged cars? As I associate cobb with force induction tuning.
I kind of have mixed feeling on this one. I think its stupid how many people run catless on otherwise stock cars and stink up the roads. But I do understand that if your doing a big power build high flow cats are not ideal.
So on cars waiting on tunes and kits to come out (2022 brz), are we screwed?
Smeedia is the goat he always has the best answers and is really good at explaining these things, more so than Cobb themselves. Definitely check his video out fully breaking down the whole cobb update
I'm just like your bud. In the middle of going tgv delete, and flex fuel, waiting for a month and a half now on back order parts.
Now I'm out another $1500 to switch to ECUtek. But how long until they are hit?
Anyone got a crystal ball? Because I feel like I'm racing against the fed at this point.
Even though I’m using a ots tune I still feel bad for people who trying to push power
Attack the epa defund the epa
So I'm assuming it doesn't affect any part of going stage 2 with MAperformance, right? I mean because I believe it's bolt ons and a tune.
I would double check with them to be sure! -Edgar
this is jsut sad, the epa could do many things but decides it's time is better used wasting other people's money and time. Plus the changes they're trying to implement have little effect for the overall enviornment and they could be doing much more actual work to better protect the enviornment if they would focus more on doing the real job rather than attacking consumers who are modding their vehicle. For those interested, SEMA has been fighting back against the EPA for a while now so you can head over to their website to help them out with protecting our right to modding vehicles.
This makes somewhat sense but then it does not. I get they want to make it California legal but there are way more than just one state and also in states like MA if your vehicle is x amount of years old then you dont have to worry about certain emissions on your vehicle in order for it to pass inspection. Flat out its legal to not have a Cat or egr because the vehicle is basically exempt from the emissions part of the inspection. So while I get it California is killing it for all of us.
It’s the end of the tuning as we know it and I feel Honda
Hey guys! Absolutely love this channel! Could you make a video about the audi s6 and what wheels would look great on them? Thanks!
Epa needs to be stopped. We pay them and so we should have a say so in what they do
All car people need to now move away from COBB. Let them know how we feel about this. Thankfully, I never bought any COBB parts for my Speed3, other than the Accessport. But I will never buy another part of theirs again.
It’s going to affect every tuning company not just Cobb
@@regalcatnetwork8068 Unless more has come out since this announcement, that isn't true for at least the Mazda platforms. Since that's all I can speak for, we have COBB and Versatune. Some people will be moving to Versatune for their high horsepower builds because of this. Will it catch up to all of them? Yes, I have no doubt about that. Governments exist, so they'll find a way to crack down on modifying cars in general and then cars as a whole later.
Why would they crack down on flex fuel? It burns cleaner!