The biggest problem in Harumi's "redemption" is that it wasn't a redemption at all. She didn't "become good". She didn't see the error of her ways, she didn't let go of all the hate and resentment she harbored. She kinda just realized she's been fighting the wrong guy...
Yeah, she didn't learn rEvEnGe and hatred are emotions she needed to handle better, she just got someone else to blame. Crystalized part 2 literally ruined everything.
Eh I think she did genuinely feel remorse and guilt for what she did based on some of her facial expressions and responses towards Lloyd. They just did a horrible job at expanding upon it.
It was so bad, and lgbt stuff shoild never be put on children stuff, since children shouldnt care about that yet, in adult stuff sure, wanna know why lightyear was a flop? Go woke go broke is true
Tbh I wanted a episode to see how Jay elemental power affected his emotions and maybe make him scared of getting close to water because to represent his fear of hurting Nya since his element is water counter
Felt the writing was odd in Part 2. Lloyd says to Harumi that he’d rather see the good in people. He wants to forgive Harumi, despite her manipulating him multiple times. Yet he didn’t seem to want to see the good in Garmadon, the one who helped the team defeat the Oni the last time they saw each other, and was also helping with saving Ninjago from the Overlord.
@@Crusty783 Honestly, the more I think about it... the more I realize how hypocritical Lloyd really is. Not to mention.... they WANT to make us forget about Sensei Garmadon. Episode 20 SHOULD have been this: Lloyd has doubts, but suddenly, he starts to wonder if the current Garmadon he sees in front of him is Sensei Garmadon or at least the Lord Garmadon from the 1st two seasons. Lloyd will actually give Garmadon a chance, as this surprises even Garmadon himself, given Garmadon's relationship with Lloyd in the Oni Trilogy.
@@justinesun631Garmadom someone Lloyd knows is forced to be evil doesn't give a chance but Harumi the person who turned Garmadom evil again in the first place he gives second chances like what?
I couldn't help but agree with literally every point made in this video. I really was not looking forward to that Harumi "redemption" arc and was seriously hoping that Lloyd would learn to overcome what she put him through. The writers even elaborated in season 13 that he was still dealing with trust issues after what she's done to him and not even three seasons later he's like "Oh, I kNoW yOu HuRt Me bUt ThErE's GoOd iN eVeRyBoDy!" Like, where is that willingness to forgive when he's face to face with his father whO LITERALLY HELPED HIM FIGHT THE ONI AND SAVE NINJAGO??? Okay, I'm done but lemme just say... I personally loved when Lloyd was jealous of a PLANT! A LITERAL PLANT! That was just plain funny. There is a reason you're one of my favorite Ninjago TH-camrs.
I have a weird relationship with this season. The first 2/3 of this season was great. However, it falls off after that. While there were still some things I liked such as the "jump up kick back whip around and spin" and seeing everyone rebuild the monastery, there are several missed opportunities, the Garmadon and Lloyd stuff felt like a rehash of season 10 until the very end, and the way it feels like they didn't finish watching MotM is pathetic.
I just realized, in season 9 Garmadon said to Lloyd "people don't change, they only reveal who they truly are". That could explain why he doesn't believe Garmadon can change, but Harumi can, because he believes that she is truly good in her heart
Even though she murder her adopted parents and guardian, attempts to kill both the ninja and Lloyd’s mother, work with the literal embodiment of evil. But hey she “help” save the day.
Lloyd wrongly believes she is good in her heart. She demonstrates nothing to back that up, ever. Unlike Garmadon, who IS good at heart, and was good until he was cursed, which even then, he still was, as he loved his family, and that was actually his only reason for wanting to make ninjago in his image in the first place. His motives were love, and loss, and he was cursed. Harumi's motives were just plain evil, and she was not cursed. She chose it. Garmadon had no choice. He gave up his life for everyone. Then he had no choice when Harumi brought him back like a frankenstein monster. Garmadon only said that, because at the time he lacked the self awareness that he later gained. Again, Harumi is to blame for all this. Garmadon wasn't changing, he was reverting back to his true self. The writers really messed all this up. They lacked logic, and they lacked morality. We believe actions, not words. Garmadon says lots of stuff he doesn't really mean, as he doesn't like feeling vulnerable. Harumi never should have been redeemed, and neither Lloyd, nor Garmadon should like her.
I KNOW RIGHT?! Harumi brought up how power was never truly lost, and that could have been a great set up for Lloyds golden power returning! I mean fr! Imagine Lloyd’s gold power back and then there’s an epic rehash of the final battle! That would have been legendary!
And just the fact that they did all that stuff about oni Lloyd and then finally when we get to see his form ,it last for 5 seconds. In my opinion, that was pretty disappointing. I just hope in Ninjago 2023 he is the antagonist,then the party starts.
yeah honestly, i was fully expecting lloyd to get back his golden power. instead it turned into a freakin dragon, which was something lloyd could already use (if you ignore the nerf all the ninja got. seriously, i know that the ninja would've been too strong if they had dragons and airjitzu, but cmon bro.) his golden power would've been much cooler
Yea. One of my only problems with the Crystal King, is how he was defeated, just a slap from the dragon's tail, like cmon, that's incredibly lame compared to the other 2 times. An easy solution on how to fix that, is making the powers that go into Lloyd, not create a dragon from nowhere, and instead grant him his golden powers back, which would be a very good tie-in with season 2, in which that happened but a little differently.
Honestly in my opinion, Crystalized is one of those seasons with a great beginning, decent middle and a horrendous ending, it was definitely great right up until Episode 18-19 where it started going downhill severely. The season definitely has it good parts such as: - How Harumi came back - The Overlord returning and the reveal that he was responsible for Garmadon turning evil (that part I didn't expect at all). - The entirety of Part 1 - Connecting the previous seasons to The Council of the Crystal King - Pythor in general However it did have a lot of bad parts: - Lloyd acting like a dick to Garmadon yet straight up forgiving Harumi immediately (when previously we've seen him having trust issues as a result of her), which ends up giving a wrong message. - The Mechanic and Nya scene, wtf were they thinking with this scene? That should not have been a thing. - Nostalgia bait with the scenes being similar to previous parts of the show (i.e. The Ninja getting arrested is similar to Skybound, Overlord VS Lloyd being the end of Season 2) - Harumi's Redemption as a whole. - Lack of consequences for anyone (I know its a kids show but that doesn't excuse having zero consequences, even the previous seasons had consequences to them). - Lack of foreshadowing on the Overlords return - Lloyds Oni Arc - LEGO's awful scheduling which I don't think helped at all Personally, I think Crystalized should have been saved later down the line instead of being the immediate season after Seabound. Season 15 could instead be focused on the Ninja recovering from Nya's sacrifice, how they're grieving in their own ways, the conflict between them and eventually them choosing to move on with the message being "Bad things will happen, but don't let it overshadow the good". The whole season could be a Kai and Jay season with conflict being the major theme between them, kind of like a Civil war sort of thing. Heck, this could be taken advantage of with the introduction of a new villain created entirely on the collective grief of the Ninja, maybe forming a physical form like a Shadow Nya of sorts that could manipulate them. Perhaps bringing back Nadakhan as he's been hinted at multiple times now and is the most connected to Jay and Nya as a whole. Alternatively, there could be no main villain at all. How the season will end could be that on the happy side, the Ninja slowly realise what their grief is doing to them and decide not to let it take over them as Nya wouldn't want that and instead would want them to move on. On the opposite spectrum, the ending could an unhappy one with the Ninja unable to accept their grief and because of the conflict between them outright fracturing their friendship, they instead go their separate ways leading to the events of the beginning of Crystalized (still set one year after the season). The season overall can be a great way to really inflict dark stuff into it whilst also giving out a positive message, especially to those who also sadly lost loved ones as well.
"The Mechanic and Nya scene, wtf were they thinking with this scene? That should not have been a thing." What now? "Nostalgia bait with the scenes being similar to previous parts of the show (i.e. The Ninja getting arrested is similar to Skybound, Overlord VS Lloyd being the end of Season 2)" Bruh.
Also the fact that Garmadon's disappearance wasnt like in the comics about Garmadon's adventures during his absence, and instead we see a different backstory, which is stupid, short and boring, and all based in Ninjago city, oh wow thats where he was the whole time, how anticlimactic. I did like his oni form though, it did great justice to his last one. Also thats just my silly fan idea, but Crystalized could have been something more, with longer mins of episodes of course, something like the Overlord returning and recruiting more villains (except Garmadon, but actually giving him a choice to join), but his form could have been like the one in his origin story with his battle against FSM, a giant and powerful dark figure that conquered ninjago (then of course switching to a form similar to the one we've got) and the whole season is about the ninjas fighting and surviving in a dark utopia while the Overlord, his servants and the brainwashed poor locals are after them. And of course, more screen time for the Overlord. I could write more about this concept, but I think it would've been fun, but thats just my stupid fangirl idea. Crystalized could have been written better though.
Crystallized somehow inserted like 10 completely different storylines for the series finale and didn't do anything with it. Jay did not mature or learn something after the selfishness he displayed at the beginning of the season. Lloyd learned nothing even though he risked everyone's life out of unwarranted fear. Nya had no relevance to the end. Kai did not have any of the exciting scenes as we had anticipated. There's more but basically it doesn't feel like a conclusion.
@@dylansharp8471 Are you going to tell me that Nya participated in the final battle with the other ninjas when the reality is that she was supporting them in the background? Kai didn't have any exciting scenes
Thank you for not making this just a rant full of screaming but an actual review that highlights the many problems with this season. Shows again that you are a great youtuber. I hope/believe you will have sucess on crustbound.
In my opinion here’s how things should’ve went… 1. Wu dies fighting the Overlord. 2. Garmadon dies fighting the Overlord. 3. Either the Ninjago Fuse with the Golden Weapons to become the Golden Ultra Dragon and die fighting the Overlord. Then Lloyd, after losing everything, becomes the Golden Oni and defeats the Overlord. 4. Or the Ninja Fuse with the Golden Weapons and their powers go back into Lloyd, and he becomes the Ultimate Spinjitzu Master again.
I dont think that the Ninja have to fuse with the weapons and die fighting the Overlord, and idk about Wu, but that could make it so that the fight actually matters more. Also I like the idea of Lloyd either just using the oni to defeat the overlord or getting the gold powers back. Also yeah Harumi shouldve died
They may have been going for an avengers endgame type scene when all the character gathered to fight the crystal army, yet literally none of them speak. You can really tell that they weren't able to fit enough character moments in the season.
The thing is that Harumi made me mad with her actions. She created genuine anger and disgust with her words and crimes, that’s what made her a good villain to me. This season I wasn’t feeling it from her, she was just kinda boring and it felt like she was just falling for the same bs that she did with garmadon except they tried to force a redemption. I don’t dislike this part, it was emotional and I almost cried multiple times but it wasn’t AS good as part 1 Edit: also, I don’t like how the council and the crystal enemies got bodied so easily. I would’ve liked to see them stick it out and go out in an epic way (and I don’t mean kill the council members, just make them lose cooler). I’m also not satisfied with just seeing my boy pythor just unconscious and that being the last scene with him, I WANNA KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO HIM. I wanna see the council members being locked up, maybe a funny scene with their cells being next to each other and them quarreling, idk SOMETHING
The sad thing about all of these points is that its not like the things that took place in the season COULDN'T happen, but the way they were excecuted made it look like the writers had *no time* (that or chose not to prioritize the important things, making their debut feel off) A prime example of this would be Harumi's "redemption" arc. I'd believe her having so called "feelings" for Lloyd if she actually showed it instead of the writers telling us randomly (isn't show don't tell like, the #1 rule in writing?) I'd believe her wanting to change her ways if she showed conviction instead of smiling proudly when the Crystal King's plans are in motion. It's like the writers were simply using her as a means of conflict ONLY, then at the last minute to build up as much drama as possible for the last episode they go "hey, what if Harumi fought with the good guys?" And they didn't think of how that would look on her overall development :/ it's a kiDs ShOw tho, so no one is actually paying attention to that stuff, right? 🤦
"The sad thing about all of these points is that its not like the things that took place in the season COULDN'T happen, but the way they were excecuted made it look like the writers had no time (that or chose not to prioritize the important things, making their debut feel off)" Wait what?
They completely butchered Harumi this season and am so upset about it. You outlined all the problems I had with her in this season, so well and perfectly! Great video!👍
@@villagermuscle966 for me harumi was a great villain. she had reasons more than "I want power and rule over ninjago just because", she went through enough trauma to make her that sadistic. she played her cards right, she didn't just attacked; she used emotional manipulation over lloyd and got what she wanted. that is a good villain. i, however, DID NOT LIKE THE FACT THAT SHE WAS BROUGHT BACK I wish she stayed death because it was a good ending for her
I think a lot of the biggest problems and missed opportunities with Crystalized could have been relieved if this weren’t marketed as the final season of Ninjago.
Or should not happened this early the overlord was supposed to be the most powerful villain and he should be the final and the way he lost was stupid as well
I was so mad with crystalized especially how they handled Kais character in particular. Tommy Anderson hates Kai so despite all the growing and character development in seasons 1-4, his character was reduced to "oh dumb hot head who just wants power" when his character is so much more in the early seasons. Not even mentioning the nya disappearing situation, like this guy had to RAISE his sister since he was F I V E. Nanny or not there should've been moments where the nanny wasnt there and the two had to survive on their own no? This guy had to be a parent to his sister therefore losing his own childhood in the process AND ALL WE GET IS A SUBPAR FIGHT SCENE, MEANINGLESS LINES HERE AND THERE, AND WHEN HE FINALLY GETS HER BACK KAI DOESNT EVEN GET TO HUG HER??
They honestly should've pulled off an SOG and Hunted with Crystallised and made the story branch into a second season so that the writers could flesh out ideas and concepts that wanted to explore.
@@Xeorboom Why do you hate season 8, It's absolutely wonderful interms of writing, animation, design, and it has one of the best villians (until crystalized) that we've seen
@@Xeorboom Ironic because my least favorite season is 7 though, too me that season had a downgrade interms of animation, its generally a blur because its been a while I'll try giving it a rewatch. Imo idk how you fell asleep watching sons of garmadon considering its plot was very engaging with the mystery of the quiet one and such.
one thing i REALLY missed in Crystalized was that Zane and the Overlord didn't had any interaction, they just ruled out that Zane eliminated the Overlord for 13 seasons
Now sure the 2nd time Lloyd tried to defeat him, but did he forget Lloyd didn't defeat him, Zane did, Zane literally sacrificed himself and destroyed the overlord
@@jay4417 That's what I was talking about. It's like the Overlord forgot Zane was involved in his 2nd defeat but here he says it like Lloyd defeated him when Zane was the one to destroyed him
Here are the changes I would make for Crystalized. Instead of Aspheera taking Nya’s powers it’s Skylor. I mentioned that another video. The ninja still go to jail but they meet Harumi in jail and not Pythor. In this version of Crystalized the first Spinjitzu master noticed how she saved the kid and his parents. The first Spinjitzu master tells Harumi about the Crystal King and how he’s going to destroy Ninjago. He offers Harumi a second chance to warn Lloyd and the other ninja. She accepts it and goes off to warn the ninja. After awhile she gets caught by the police. Lloyd thinks she might be telling the truth. The others however don’t believe her. I forgot to mention that the teapot that Nadakhan is trapped inside will be acquired by Pythor who is currently unknowingly working with the Crystal King at this point in time. Just like in Rebooted Pythor would be wearing some sort of robe and mask. He will also tell Lloyd the same thing that Harumi told him in the actual show. After that Lloyd tells the others about the the masked stranger. The others then realized that Harumi was telling the truth. Pythor still in his disguise finds the teapot that Nadakhan is trapped in and releases him and asks him if wants to join the Crystal King. Lloyd notices this and recognizes him as the evil djinn Jay and Nya told him about. The episode then ends like how it did in the actual show. Nya breaks the ninja out prison also taking Harumi with them. Lloyd pretends he is the mechanic and finds out Pythor is the vengestone buyer and working with the Crystal King who is really the Overlord. It then goes off there.
I personally don't think it's too bad, sure it's got flaws, and it could've been a lot better, but I loved it and enjoyed it greatly, let's see if your video can change my opinion, excited to hear your thoughts! :)
The beginning of the season was just a retread of the ninja splitting up in Tournament of Elements. They should have shown the ninja remaining intact (considering all they've been through), and we should have seen how the team managed without Nya, especially Kai and Jay. At least in tournament of elements, the ninja did experience their first major loss and were taking some time off to grieve, but in Crystalized, they had completely disappeared from public view even though they were literally Ninjago's defenders. Seems uncharacteristic of the ninja to do that (especially Lloyd) after all they'd been through in the Oni Trilogy. The whole prison arc and new ninja subplot should have never been included, and if they were bringing Nya back, just make it a quick thing where her powers are taken from her, and don't drag it on for several episodes.
I didn’t like the whole, “Nya was the glue of the team”, bs Jay dropped because they worked together greatly before she joined in season6. I get her being a vital member, cuz they all are really, but I never really considered her to be the heart of the ninja.
@@zer0watch454 Yeah, people forget that Skybound was the first season that Nya was a full member of the team. It seems wild that the ninja would not only split up but completely withdraw from public life and just hide out for over a year. If anything, Nya's sacrifice should have motivated the team to work harder to prevent threats. The whole new ninja subplot and prison arc could be completely removed and the season would barely change (although now it will have much more time to develop characters like Garmadon and the villains).
I don’t really see the appreciate for Harumi for her “redemption” like… I’m sorry what? She has caused multiple invasions and scared Lloyd emotionally.. and her manipulation is something that needs to be fixed. At least they caught her and is under surveillance but otherwise the season wasn’t that bad but it wasn’t good IMO. 😅 Another thing is THANK YOU like yes Kai & Jay should’ve bonded and apologize of grief of Nya before she came back but no reunion or anything.. they rushed it so BAD.
@@Wind_Cursed i really dont understand people who want them together like she wasnt abusive towards him multiple times. she gave him serious trust issues and those cant be fixed with "oh I'm sorry". if they get together in ninjago: united is going to be a really bad message for kids, imo
the ninjago crystalized trailers made it seem as if it would be as good as Master of the mountain. And I hated how lloyd couldnt trust Garmadon but trusts harumi???? If only they had 20 mins long episodes. Now it wasnt that bad i would rank it top #5 personally. The fights were awesome. But lloyd turning oni lasted like 5 seconds He should embrace that he is oni It wasnt garmadons fault he is evil hes evil but not as evil as harumi she has broken down ninjago 2 times! yet lloyd trusts her Yet he cant trust his father who was only resseructed with the evil side of him. wasted potential
A little thing about the pythor and great devourer thing. I think the reason why pythor didn't start talking about how he released the great devourer might have been because of the result. It would be pretry embarrassing to tell someone that you released a great evil only to be eaten 5 seconds later. He could have also gotten some basic knowledge about Harumi's backstory and decided to keep his mouth shut. Also Harumi seems to be playing a blaming game because Lloyd was the one that released pythor and also called himself the so called hero. She sided with the overlord because she was going to bring peace in the dark which could have made her view him as a hero. This would obviously disappoint her when she learns that he created the creature that would ruin her life. This means that if it wasn't for the overlord then Lloyd would have never been releasing the serpentine and pythor obviously wouldn't release the great devourer making all the blame come back on the overlord. Sorry If a lot of this didn't make any sense but I hope you get the basic idea
Yeah and I think Pythor being eaten alive 15 seconds after releasing the Great Devourer was planned by Overlord. Overlord created Great Devourer and could theoretically control him. I mean, think about it. Pythor did everything he wanted to accomplish in less than several weeks in season 1. Except if it went that way, Pythor would be peaceful again, which wasn't good if Great Devourer was defeated, because it would left noone to do the bidding of evil.. If Pythor wasn't eaten, this is the result: 1. Garmaddon couldn't take over the snake tribe to find the Island where Overlord was kept 2. Scales couldn't become the leader to pacify the snakes, but snakes would still be pacified afterwards. Pythor's lore was probably not that overused or bad. It depicts fear of betrayal, resulting in you doing the betrayal first. Which had unknowing consequences for both sides. Existence purely hates Pythor, doesn't it?
I think Crystalized was really good up until the 19th episode where there were a lot of plot holes and bad character direction. Also, the last ten episodes wasted a lot of time on useless stuff making the finale (the last two episodes) feel very rushed
My problems with the season: Nya being brought back so early Lack of Kai and Jay focus on loss of Nya Lloyd still being lovesick Nya getting her powers back so easy. Pythor still being evil after the end of Tournament of Elements The rest of the crystal council being eclipsed by Harumi Harumi getting off scot free Wasted Oni Lloyd time Filler-ish episodes that are used to pack time. And lots of other stuff.
The Only Filler Episode in the Season was Episode 9 HoundDog MicBrag and I Absolutely Hate That Episode but The Fugi Dove and Jay Stuff was pretty Funny and the Ending Was Hilarious but a Super Boring Episode in my opinion 😡
2:13. She went from "I want my life back, who cares about controlling water" to "I'm useless I can't control water". Really? Taking your life for granted immediately? Doesn't feel like what Nya would do after that kind of experience.
Not exactly. More like keep the Council of the Crystal King as the first part, making it Season 15, then have it end with the Overlord's return. Thus we get Crystallized.
Alright, hear me out, here’s how I’d personally handle Crystalized part two: (well, this isn’t the full list, but there are many things that I still have no idea what to do with like Kai and Jay’s grieving) -first of all: Harumi. As many have already pointed out, her “selfless act” that led to her redemption was completely useless. Not only did it contribute little to nothing to the Overlord’s defeat, but the reason behind it was dumb…what happened to the whole “balance” analogy? And besides, she already knew that millions would die and suffer, but only seemed to care when her parents were brought up. We get it, the overlord possessed the snake, but technically: 1. He did not directly kill her parents. It was collateral damage. 2. Lloyd still released the serpentine, which released the devourer. And besides, what about Pythor? How come he doesn’t get the blame for it? So here’s what I’d do: Have Harumi attack the overlord in a fit of rage, until she processes his words and freezes. She’s eventually st*bbed in the back (haha, irony) by a crystal and OFFICIALLY is unalived. We get a scene with her in the departed realm saying hello to her parents, and how she regrets what she’s done (she released the overlord in the first place, and caused the damage). She apologizes directly to the people she k*lled, turns into a kid, and is led to a bright light while holding her parents hands. Maybe it was any time left, I’d squeeze in a scene where Garmadon and Lloyd talk about it? (Or even better, MISAKO and Lloyd, since she’s been through something slightly similar) -The Ice Emperor Hear me out: What if instead of Zane getting hurt during a random crash, he accidentally switches to the ice emperor as a self defence thing when he gets attacked. When he looks at his hands, he gets scared and deactivates. And at that exact moment, Mr. F shows up and absolutely wrecks him with his own vengestone beast thing. This way, we ACTUALLY get to see the ice emperor’s OG powers for a while (and a reasonable explanation as to why he randomly “returns” when Pixal finds him) -“Compatible” Ok, I actually really liked this episode, but I wasn’t the biggest fan of the cliche “true love kiss” thing that brought Zane back, so here’s how I’d change it: When Borg explains what’s wrong with him, Pixal offers to bring him back…manually. So she goes inside his head and tries to “find him” so he can “wake up”. (While all this is happening, FugiDove, Ronin, Ultra, and Killow talk about their future and decide to open a food truck when all this is done or something)) She ends up finding him, but he’s asleep and isn’t waking up. She goes back and says her goodbyes (except this time, it’s in Zane’s POV as he slowly tries to wake himself up) and it pretty much ends the same way. Still an annoying fake oi character death, but with a slightly better explanation…I think… Edit: UPDATE: I FOUND A BETTER WAY TO DO IT. So inside Zane’s head, Pixal finds the tin can getting beat up by the ice emperor as random memories flash on the screen. Basically, it’s symbolism as to how he believed that the ice emperor defined him and that his mistakes overpowered every positive thing he did. After Pixal’s lil speech, Zane realizes that if the person he loves most can still love him back after seeing the worse side of him, than he can still love himself, which is how he wins the fight. -Nya I feel like her “slowly getting her powers back” kinda sucked…like, it took away the consequences and it didn’t sit right with me. So hear me out: what if her powers are still there, but the more she uses them the closer she gets to merging again? So instead, she calls Nyad, and she agrees to help? That way Nya’s powers wouldn’t have to randomly return without a price. -Wu and the Overlord The overlord’s unalivement didn’t make a lot of sense to me, ngl. Like, shouldn’t there have to be some consequence for “ruining the balance”? He physically cannot perish as long as creation still exists… But what if the master of creation were to be unalived too? As Lloyd’s dragon gets weaker, Wu is forced to come to his aid to strengthen it. However, this requires him using his full strength which ends up oofing him in the process. His last words could be something like “I promise I’d stand up to you (overlord) to my last breath. I’m willing to keep that promise.” Instead of the Ninja talking abo it their powers in the end, we get a “funeral” for Wu. In the end, as they’re rebuilding the monastery, we get a shot of pretty much every fallen ally from Dr Julien, to Morro, to Mystake in the Monastery rooftop, looking down on the Ninja and their current allies. Eventually, we find Wu (besides the FSM) as he says “remarkable. Quite Remarkable.” Other than that, I’d definitely leave the final battle alone. The whole point of this battle is the fact that it’s supposed to be the ACTUAL final battle that Quantin predicted and that has been a thing since season 1. Having it be similar to the season 2 finale sounds fitting. (…but it’d be really awesome if the dragon turned into a sword and Lloyd used it to attack the overlord)
Wow that’s alot better than what we got when I was watching compatible I was scared for zane and pixal I thought one of them would sacrifice themselves but through the power of love a robot wakes up like pixals speech brought me to tears how did zane even wake up he’s a robot Okay the final battle was a bit underwhelming after motm and seabound I was expecting Lloyd to have an epic fight scene where he realises that he can’t run away from his heritage but he can change and he merges his oni and dragon side to destroy the overlord but we ended up getting dragon go brrrrrrr Okay harumi I despise her like why is that Lloyd and garmadon were blasting the overlord and he took 0 damage but hero with girl power cuts his arm of she deserved to die Also why does garmadon have wings is it cause he used his dragon powers well I’m done thanks for reading and share your thoughts
The more I listen to videos like this the more i sadly agree. Crystalized, although entertaining, wasn’t nearly the ending we deserved after nearly 12 years.
Even though I disagree with most of your points, I find it genuinely admirable how much work you've clearly put in to this video. At the end of the day it just really sucks that a season this important has disappointed so many people - and I just hope it doesn't ruin their enjoyment of the rest of the show. Personally, I really liked Crystallized. It's certainly not without flaws - I really dislike Harumi getting off with seemingly no consequences, and while I'm fine with how Oni Lloyd was handled, I think it definitely should've been conveyed more clearly - but I think this season has some incredible high points, and is reasonably consistent in its quality. The thing that really hurt this season was the abysmal release schedule. Splitting the season into 2 parts is fine, but everything else related to its distribution was hilariously bad. The worst thing to come out of this was the insane, unrealistic hype that built up. We knew vaguely what was going to happen, so everyone just worked themselves up into anticipating the craziest possible version of that event. Of course I'm not trying to say that we shouldn't have had high expectations, or that it's your fault you didn't like it, but I do think a lot of people were inevitably going to be disappointed no matter what due to the nature of internet hype culture. Splitting the season in 2 also caused a lot of people to look at it as 2 separate installments, despite that fact that it was written and produced as one story. I strongly recommend anyone who is conflicted about the ending to re-watch the entire season from start to finish. The season's main themes are established in its early episodes, and are obviously pertinent to the finale. One of the season's two main themes is not giving in to anger and seeking revenge. Conceptually, this is somewhat contradictory to its other theme (listening to your emotions rather than closing them off), but I think they are linked by season's focus on the idea of balance; listen to your emotions, but don't let them consume you. This is what I think they were getting at with the ending for Lloyd's Oni form, but I think Garmadon's reaction to that ideally should've made it clearer. Anyway, sorry for the super long comment lmao, I have a loooooot to say about Crystallized.
thats a pretty awesome reading! personally i think the plot really went downhill after episode16, but the stupidly long wait for the season itself let alone the second part is very much to blame for the expectations i think
@@Crusty783 your opinion about the season is not the best , you hate this season and that's cool i liked oh sorry I meant LOVED this season,I strongly disagree with your opinion tho,
I’m sort of worried about how the aftermath of Crystalized’s ending will be playing out. Knowing all of the inconsistencies in this video I can tell that this is going to end up like Total Drama Allstars’ “Sundae Muddy Sundae” or Spongebob’s “Are you happy now”. I’ve sort of liked Crystalized and was happy that the Ninja, Wu or Garmadon weren’t killed. But knowing the cost of it….wow. I don’t know where the Ninjago community or Fandom will go from here, but trust me, I’m more than happy to fix these inconsistencies.
This is a fantastic analysis. Overall I actually loved the season but still acknowledge it’s many flaws. Having written my own complete season of Ninjago, I understand the luxury of having complete control of your story. The vision I had in mind would not have been as well realized if I had to doll it out to five other writers.
something that really bothered me is that the vengestone army was so scary and unbeatable but then the ninja get a piece of a spear and they get nerfed to every other army's level
there is also something else that confuses me why didn't the overlord confront Zane? Zane did technically kill him the 2nd time he returned and he targets lloyd only it would be nice to see some interactions between them
If I had rewrite crystalized, I would've had pythor play a much bigger role and maybe rise above the ranks of the other crystal generals to be the Overlord's second in command (mostly considering he's the only pre-oni trilogy villain in the season) which would be through Harumi finding out that Pythor was responsible for releasing the great devour and wanting to kill him only to be stopped by the overlord cause he finds him useful.
I think the best way to describe this season from a casual ninja go viewer. Is that there’s too much ideas and they are all half baked. This is supposed to be a final season but there’s so much stuff that was underutilized. We need an epilogue maybe as a movie?
After watching crystallized, I always wanted to say one famous thing my theatre friend said:"good idea, bad execution",plus add how out of core of their characters ninjas were, especially Jay(but I guess it started when brother Henchmen were replaced by new producer) There were good ideas and themes in season, but their are outnumbered by flaws
Most of my issues in the season mainly come down to Lloyd, which sucks because hes my second favourite ninja after Cole and hes been consistently great after the movie. He makes characters like Garmadon and Harumi worse because of how closely tied he is to them here which stinks because I actually like those characters here. He's out of character in the season in like 4 different ways and it really hurts the season and his arc
Great analysis. I agree with almost all of your points here. I'd like to add that I think this season suffers from being a toy advertisement so much. The Tug-O'-War you've mentioned is definitely apparent in the toy aspect as well. Things like the Dragon Forms, Oni Lloyd, Crystal King Centaur, and more just felt like excuses to make cool minifigures and sets. Usually, the toys are very well integrated, and even when they're not, it doesn't take away from the plot. It feels like the designers felt they had to produce a big wave that the fans will be guaranteed to like to make up for Core. To do this, they include fan favorites like Pythor and Harumi, give us super detailed minifigures, Oni Garmadon, and sets that try to push the limits on standards, like including copious amounts of gold and translucent pieces. As much as I love Core as a wave, I really have to wonder if it was one of the reasons for Crystalized feeling so bloated.
Im pretty sure Core was made in order to give the Crystalized show/sets more time also, I remember hearing something like that a few months back (can't remember where from) But yeah it feels like this wave/season was just tryna throw as much recognisable stuff in your face as possible (and then they forgot to write a story)
I also have ZERO IDEA what we Needed the new Ninja Team for! At First i thought: OH well, Lego is gonna make some More minifigures to spread across the sets so you have a reason as a collector, But nope! They dont exist in Lego Form and in the Show they the just Borderline unnecessary and well…… dumb
This season was just such a disappointing ending to the series. Originally I wanted them to bring back nadakhan this season because they have been teasing him coming back since season 11 but now I’m really glad they didn’t bring him back because they would’ve just messed that up to. Anyway I think this season would’ve been much better if they got rid of every member of the Crystal council except for Pythor. The story would just be about Pythor helping the overlord and every other villain including Harumi would not even be in the story because they don’t do anything and in Harumis case they completely ruined her character
Honestly I dont even think that much plot holes are the issue considering the season makes sound sense from a story perspective from the most part, its just the directions they took certain characters is the issue
@@Crusty783 They should have done a filler season like Prime Empire that was between SeaBound and Crystalized. That way a real villain could have been added to the council instead of a reactive one like Mr. F and we would have felt the effect of Nyas sacrifice because she would have only joined in after Crystalized. 🥷
Decided to hop back to this video. In the last few minutes of the video, Crusty explained how Ninjago in the Wildbrain seasons just feels recycled and more of the same. I completely agree and this is why I love Dragons Rising so much now that it’s out. DR has the chance to do so many new things and tell new stories which they’re really already doing, and with season 2 releasing soon, I couldn’t be more excited
Same! DR feels like a very fresh take on Ninjago and even when it does lift ideas from older seasons it does enough new with them that I dont have a problem with it
6:27 This is how I kinda felt in The Island with Ronin, it just didn’t feel right. When watching this part in Crystalized, it was quite off putting, because The Mechanic isn’t like this
I agree with you wholeheartedly, I really hope that the new 2023 season finally disconnects Ninjago from these trends and Once again reinvents its formula
18 Reasons Why The Final Battle Is The Same As Crystalized 1. The Villains/Villain Was Used By The Overlord 2. Nya Returned 3. Everyone Gets Corrupted 4. Garmadons Redemption Arc 5. Lloyd Became Golden Again 6. Golden Dragon 7. Stone Like Warriors 8. Lloyd Training 9. Dareth Almost Being Worthless 10. 4 Headed Dragon 11. Mentions Of Bringing Balance By Splitting The Island Into Two 12. The Female Characters Betraying The Dark 13. Destroyed Ninja Bases 14. Golden Weapons Being Used By The Villain 15. Lloyds Naive Personality 16. A Scroll About The Ninjas 17. Overlords Demise 18. Wraps Up The Story But Continuous The Story Anyways
I just watched this again, and im suprised of how much you have to say for this season. I Don't like this season either, and you really thought deep about this, and dug deep. I can tell you collected your thoughts, and opinions cleary, and did an amazing job This video is literallly Quality or Quantity. It was a long time to wait for this video but that helped thanks.
I really liked crystalised but the biggest problem for me was the 10 minute episode format because season 1 and 2 almost had the same watch time as crystalised even though it had 30 episodes, but they only had 10 minutes to tell the story of each episode instead of 20
Idea for what could have been Harumis motivation. Instead of her being evil again, how about if she was on the good side, but lost all hope of the overlord being ever defeated and serves him because of this. The turning people into Zombies part could then be justified by saying that the overlord only destroys those who aren't under his direct controll, so that the only way to save them is turning them into zombies.
@@dylansharp8471 they wasted her. She had an amazing character arc in Seabound and then they went and ruined it. The set was cool but the show really wasted her
The issue with the Overlord returning was a problem since rebooted. He came out of nowhere in that season too, so it’s not fair to blame the Overlord returning again on this season. I’d rather have Lloyd beat him than Zane AND THANK YOU FOR MENTIONING THE PYTHOR BIT. Everyone was saying Kabuki was Harumi, I didn’t think so because she would never ally with Pythor.
Where were the elemental masters? Or captain soto? Or mother doomsday? Or the army of reprogrammed nindroids? Or the kids from the boarding school? Or jay's parents? Or cole's dad and the royal blacksmiths? Or thr skulken? Or that giant stone warrior in kryptarium prison?
You articulated pretty much exactly how I felt about this season. It just felt like the characters were just going through the motions without any meaningful impact. Lloyd’s underwhelming character arc is probably the most disappointing part for me. As a whole it feels like a mishandling of what came before. And one more thing, if Scooby-Doo can finally make Velma a lesbian after 50 years, then Ninjago can make Cole gay (or at least properly introduce a lgbt character).
Yeah. At this point theres no excuse to not have important gay chatacters (if luz from owl house can date a girl and talk about being bi, a bi flag on a guitar case does not cut it in 2022)
This season was too over-hyped and *is* overrated. I enjoyed it for the call backs to past seasons, fight scenes, and some parts of the plot. But I thought at one point they said there were gonna be flashbacks before season 11, and we only got like 2. So that part was disappointing, along with the fact that Kai is still horribly written and Jay is a selfish idiotic kid that never learns anything, after season 8. Also, if I recall, Zane turned off his emotion meter and when he turned it on he started screaming like a girl or something, but in past death scenes, he was never heavily impacted by their death to result to turning off his emotions. That just annoyed me, and if I also recall, that went nowhere. And Cole was basically useless this season. And I like how nobody is cringing about the friendship gimmick they did at the end, but in other shows they complain about it. Although it was a missed opportunity to make a cameo with the 2 skeleton guys and the skeleton army. Also if this is a callback to past seasons, why didn't they even at the slightest reference: The Tornado of Creation, (defeated the Oni, Garmadon said the Oni can defeat the Overlord, if they use the Tornado of Creation, they win.) Elemental Dragons, (that is a way to counter the Crystal Council's Dragons.) Airjitzu, (They can fly directly upwards, would've been a helpful tool at some scenes.) Spinjitzu Burst (Cole could've done that to the Crystal Council, easily take the W) The Dragon Forms were unnecessarily pointless, as the Ninja got crystalized, and the Crystal Council was never seen "defeated". Although the Dragon Forms looked cool, they didn't really do much besides summon a Dragon, (although I expected the Ultra Weapon to return for some reason). That also got me thinking, to why the Ninja can't just fly up there to help Lloyd fight the Overlord, since their powers were able to defeat him. Wasn't the prophecy that Lloyd was supposed to unlock his full potential via Golden Lloyd, and to defeat the Overlord? Oni Lloyd was one of the reasons people wanted to watch crystalized. Personally, I wasn't a big fan of the Oni, so I never wanted to see much of the Oni Lloyd. Welp I lucked out on that one, seeing that he got 3 seconds of screentime after a whole 18 episodes of build up. And it was executed so horribly, Lloyd was actually dumb to believe Garmadon died, as in this new Garmadons season, there was a specific detail that Lloyd knew to defeat Garmadon. Garmadon gets stronger the more powerful the fight is and the longer the fight is, but Overlord shot like 5 beams at him and although he faked his death, out of all people Lloyd should know that Garmadon should be alive. Also if this was an end to the previous era of Ninjago, why didn't a single person from the Never Realm return? The only reference we got out of it, was the Ice Emperor "returning" and it was just a facial glitch because Zane broke *again* *Overall this season was an overrated mess.* EDIT: I forgot to talk about 2 more things: -The New Ninja could've been less annoying. -Where in the universe were the Elemental Masters. one last thing was how bad the villains were. People expected Mr. F to get a backstory, to be Echo Zane and to have some cool scenes. But Mr. F really stands for "Mr. F you, we do whatever we want." At least that's what the producers think it means.and we don't even know where he came from and how he's alive. Or if it's just Mr Es data in a new model. Idk why they hired Pythor out of all people and Pythor said at one point: "If someone's gonna rule the world, I'd rather it be me." Yeah thats self explanatory. If thats the case he should've just helped the Ninja. The Skull Sorcerer and Aspheera didn't do much but shoot beams on top of dragons. So the villains were pure garbage, and the Overlord just got rekt after the dragon spawned in. That goes to show you how OP Elemental Dragons would've been.
They really fucking mishandled the Overlord here. If this is to be his final defeat, then he should look just as, if not more, creepy and inhuman than he did back in his first appearance in Season 2. Back then, he was fucking SCARY, there was something just so primal and uncanny about him, his appearance, his voice, just everything about him, and both this and season 3 missed that completely.
@@Crusty783 I thought there were leaks before part 2 releases that wu is gonna die in the end said by some people but then it when part 2 was released no one died.
One of big things I disagree with is the show trying to make oni look bad, it’s just Lloyd’s character, he never looks at the good in people, he picks out the bad, that’s why he doesn’t wanna transform.
problem is the show agrees with him, not doing anything oni related being the big end for his chatacter tells me that the show unironically agrees with what he's say
@@Crusty783 Yeah, and the show sending that message makes zero sense, as the message always was balance. They all three have oni in them, like it or not, to reject that is to reject an important aspect of themselves. I think it's a stupid stance for the writers to take. What would have been amazing, is all three of them embracing both sides, and being able to use both oni, and dragon powers and be OK with that. Still be good people, and be OK with all aspects of themselves.
Man I agree with all of these points and yet the sad part is I feel like there are so many more problems you haven't even touched yet in this season. This really is wasted potential the season. Great video
i hate how garmadon didn’t help wu fight the overlord it would’ve been amazing but i do understand considering his character and we still got an amazing fight and great scene for wu
has anyone ran a poll recently? polls a week ago said atleast 70% or so liked it but ive been seeing alot of my friends who do like it reconsider and like it less since then. may be worth running another
I mean whether the season appeals to one is objective. Although it had many flaws as the runtime was long, thus flaws are unavoidable, I still thoroughly enjoyed the season. I do have to say that the most disappointing point is that oni lloyd should have appeared longer and make the "final battle" a lil' more epic.
i have so many gripes with this season and it really couldve been handled better, interestingly tho cole correcting seven isnt the first time hes referred to vania as a princess, in seabound he says "maybe we can get help? from princess vania or somebody?" i know its a small nitpick compared to other inconsistencies but like bro do the creators not watch their own show lol
my main problem is that they made the ninjas rusty for like the 1000th time it was so embarasing to see them loose to that girl with the flame thrower and they even lost a 5v1 to the mechanic.
Half of the councils stories are finished already, such as pythor, vangelis, and aspheera. Then why bring them back you ask? Symbolic reasons, uses to the plot, the fact that most of them are pretty strong villains useful to the crystal king, there still in the show, etc. Mechanic doesnt need a story, how is his character ruined from a few lines? and mr f is technically a new character. "They did nothing new with the overlord" so every time you were starting to like the overlord because hes "fighting for peace" means nothing now? Man said he returned cause of vandalism. how about the constant wars and battles fought over time since season 3? Ghosts, pirates, gangsters, snakes, giant underwater snakes, skeletons, video game robots? Kai and jay fought. It was a scuffle that was brought out if anger and shock, why must it be talked about after? Also they dont need to have anything done with them now that nya is back, besides interaction with her (yes I do agree she and kai needed more interaction, same with her parents). However nyas arc is not how you make it out to be. Shes more than just a "taxi for the ninja". Everything she did in crystalized before regaining her powers, she created the new samuri x mech. Sure she got help building it by pixal, but she literally created the ideas for it. She saved the ninjas lives. She helped with Lloyd's escape. She informed everyone about harumi. She helped the ninja escape prison. And yet shes still "useless without her powers". Lloyd's arc isnt him being mad at his father and loving harumi if that's what ur thinking. His true arc is him finally dealing with the fact that he himself is an oni, which is part of the reason why he hates garmadon this season. Look further in depth. This can be read many different ways. One way is that he truly doensnt believe oni are incapable of being good, and is simply just upset with his father because family issues. That or seeing his oni like father constantly reminds him of his greatest fear, becoming exactly like him, which is literally addressed in the season itself. Harumi hasnt had her redemption arc yet. Her changing sides is clearly just the start. She clearly isnt "resolved of all sin" as we can clearly see shes under the watch of law enforcement at the end if the season, which Is confirmed to be intentional. What more needs to be said about how she believes that ending a war with one side winning brings peace? She believes if one side truly wins, only then can peace finally be achieved because then there should be no conflict under a world of tyrannical rule, which is literally just like season 9. About harumi having feelings for lloyd. People can change you know. And this case it can be in the oni trilogy. And if you look back at said trilogy theres alot to actually show that this is true. She wanted lloyd to join her, be by her side, since s8. She never wanted him dead. Her last moments in Hunted were spent looking into his eyes. Cryatalzed is most likely expanding from that. Harumi supposedly killing Lloyd's friends in the subway. You say lloyd has no problem forgiving harumi. Dude literally nearly killed her seconds after it happened, and later on threatened her. Then proceeded to hold her captive and take her prisoner. I can see why lloyd willing to "forgive" harumi and hating his father can be a problem coexisting, but like I said earlier, garmadon and lloyd have a much more personal conflict with each other and themselves than lloyd and harumi could ever have. This thing with garmadon and lloyd has been like this since the season 10. I bet you if harumi was revived in season 10, or simply never died in hunted and they went for the same goal, the same exact thing would occur. Lloyd tried changing garmadon in s9 and s10 and look where that got the two, lloyd almost dying and garmadon leaving him while hes seconds away from the departed realm. Alot of plot points on crystalized are merely expanding upon subtle plot points in the oni trilogy and you dont seem to see it. Which is why I ask of you to rewatch both the oni trilogy, then watch crystalized (open minded) right after and hopefully you will see what I'm talking about. I'm sick and tired of hearing the stupid argument of lloyd giving harumi a chance is a bad message, when other kids shows, and even this show have done much worse and nobody complains about it. Steven universe for example. Galactic genocidal dictators are immidietly forgiven for their actions because they were sad, why? Cause the main protagonists believes they can change. So why is that a problem here? There are many villains in the show who were sought out to be "redeemed". Morro for example. Dude wanted to use the living embodiment of hell to kill the world because he was jealous of a teenager. Yet people consider him redeemed because he warned the ninja of another ghost villain. Ninjago isnt a show about messages, but even I'd there were any messages they wanted to send to children, who wouldnt even comprehend the depth of these concepts, it would be that people can change, or not everyone is completely lost. I'm not saying crystalized is perfect. It has quite a few problems such as a many subtle errors, anticlimactic ending and unorginality. My biggest personal problems with it was the way harumi was handled after episode 22 and us being robbed of oni lloyd after so much build up. And you can hate it all you want, it's just I find alot of your reasoning to be very poor, and its clear you initially hated the season for its anticlimactic ending and harumis handled it (cause you were praising the season as it was airing untill the final 8 episodes or so) then you were just looking for new reasons to hate it.
"They did nothing new with the overlord" so every time you were starting to like the overlord because hes "fighting for peace" means nothing now? " Yeah! Once I finished the season and found out that absolutely nothing was done with this thread, I stopped caring about it as it added NOTHING to the character. Even he doesn't hold true to it: th-cam.com/video/L18KP9neLFc/w-d-xo.html "Harumi hasnt had her redemption arc yet. Her changing sides is clearly just the start." Crystalized is supposed to be a conclusion. "and is simply just upset with his father because family issues" He literally says "The Oni can't care"
@@Crusty783 with ur overlord point. Ok true. Ur harumi argument. There is a whole new show coming out. This isnt the true conclusion. And as for lloyd. Just because he says "the oni dont care" doesnt mean he actually thinks that. People can lie you know. Clearly they are building off of season 10, where lloyd and garmadon started their personal issues again.
@@Crusty783 that argument is invalid. Its stated to be the end of the current storyline, most likely being the story of the 6 ninja (in which by this point all their stories are practically finished), but not a conclusion to the show as a whole, Hence why I keep bringing up the new series. If it was a conclusion for EVERYONE, why make a new series at all?
What would be cool is if whoever wrote this show redid Crystalized. Just to make that season better. What kinda stood out to me about Crystalized was that the Overlord had the will to surpass death to the point of holding on to dear life because of his hatred for creation. Otherwise, this season kinda just fell apart due to bad writing decisions. Frankly, I could've done a better job at writing for this season.
It's true about Nya. What they did to her character was so cruel and disgusting. I mean, even when she returned to her human state, she wasn't even given time to properly rejoin the team. (Only 10(?) seconds of screen time with Jay hugging Nya and a smiling Kay next to Jay (I was really hoping to see Kai's emotional reaction to the return of his OWN sister that he raised). Hey, really? I'm not even saying how they don’t say how they missed her a lot, but then they simply forget that they haven’t seen Nya for a year. The writers simply show this by the fact that the guys were just busy and had no time for her. But in season 4, Zane had the same situation, but throughout the season they showed how much they missed Zane even though they were busy surviving the tournament. And absolutely everyone on the team managed to say how much they miss him. But the worst part is that throughout the entire season, Nya has been the villain's punching bag. Was she just brought back to be a plot device for the prison arc and just for fan service? Throughout the season, you'll see her being humiliated and told (including by Nya herself) how useless she is without her powers? And what's more, she wasn't even a ninja and had absolutely no role even as Samurai X. Over the course of the series, she went from ninja ally, to Samurai X, to ninja, and everything else happened in one season. vice versa. She just became a minor character. While the other ninjas assisted in the fight against Overlord, she simply was “side character”revealing that she wasn’t a ninja (simply ruining her entire arc). And all she did was just regain her powers and use them to defeat the mechanic who said she was useless without her powers and she just proved him right by confirming it. How much do you have to dislike a character to do something so dirty to her? After this season I thought maybe Tommy Anderson really doesn't like Nya?
Some of the crystallized defenders will desperately defend this season and say that everything is essentially logical because "there are 4 weapons initially" and many other excuses, but I'm just saying that if they wanted, they could have given Nya so much more role and give her some development. I've seen a ton of fanfics with much better plots. And if the writers wanted, they could have done better with Nya’s character. Hell, they even turned Jay's grief towards Nya into a joke. I expected something much more emotional - that this topic would be given more attention, so little time was spent on such important things and so much time wasted on such stupid and useless things like the fake deaths, newspaper children and Lloyd constantly screaming Harumi.
You know, i really wanted to write a long comment on this video, but i dont really have anything to add! You pretty much hit all of my viewpoints on the head and i agree with all you've said. Great Review, Crusty!
I wanted to see more Kai vs Jay, and eventually fight. Personally I think Kai would win. Kai’s fire can explode plus he could survive extreme heat if focusing hard enough, so he would be able to survive lightning. Still it would be a pretty balanced battle.
a big issue in my opinion is how all of his soldiers look the EXACT same. in season 2 they at least had a few different ranks and positions in his army and they had an excuse to all look the same because of that and because they were statues. the overlord also just doesn’t feel like himself here , he’s so brutish and sluggish as opposed to his smart and deceitful demeanor in season 2. this season also suffers from the issue a lot of modern cartoons have with overpowered grunts , you don’t want grunts to just solely be throwaway cannon fodder but you also don’t want them to be so powerful they can individually take down groups of people. they overuse vengestone too much basically.
Honestly after rewatching Crystalized I kinda wished that Harumi had stayed dead in Hunted. I loved her character in SOG and hunted and her dying was a great end to her character. But crystalized had to bring her back and basically ruin her character. Like for me she’d be an S tier villain but crystalized brings that rank down. Also it’s kinda disappointing that there’s all this build up to Lloyd’s oni side only for it to show up for 15 seconds before never being mentioned again.
The WildBrain era to me was trying to retell the classic Ninjago stories in a modern light. Sometimes it worked, and sometimes it didn't. But Crystalized is a B-tier season for me along with SotFS due to rewatchability and meme potential. I rate it a 7.9/10. Not the best, but certainly not the worst imo.
I agree. I don’t dislike this season at all, there’s no dislike. It’s every flawed but I still liked it. The problem is it felt rushed and Harumi was violated, they violated my girl, did her dirty. The bar was also set really high in seabound and part 1. It was good overall
13:58 it would have been awesome, if we saw the battle all over ninjago. people all across ninjago fighting for their home. different armies all battling against the Vengstone army. another thing I would have loved. if harumi spent time on her own, spending time questioning or trying to justify her actions. And at the end, things are still tense but she is trying to be better. maybe like when she helped evacuated that family after seeing herself in them. or she confronts pythor over it. that or make her remain evil. unable to let go of her rage and vengeance. people try to convince her but she's too blinded.
FunFact: In the song _The Fold_ the singer said the same thing what the Ninja did in the season Crystalized in the final episode. Jump up then kick back and then Whip around and just spin. In the song: “Jump up kick back whip around and spin and we will jump back do it again.“ Its describing that whole scene when the Ninja tryed master the Dragon Form just summed up.
I agree with all of this video. I had many problems with Crystallized, such as bad pacing for the last 10 episodes and stuff like that, but my main problem was Harumi. I'm pretty sure Lloyd and Harumi are not together and may just be friends, acquaintances, or even just allies, but it still feels like they're setting up something between them which I dislike. Llorumi has had so many problems so I, personally, do not feel like it can ever be fully healthy unless the writers completely ignore everything that has happened between them, which is never a good thing. I just hope that next season is not next-gen now because then there will probably be someone who is the child or descendant of Lloyd and Harumi due to not clarifying (bringing back or giving him a new one) any other love interests for Lloyd in Crystallized. They could have Lloyd single and find a love interest for him during whatever is happening with the next generation, but I feel like that is unlikely simply because of Harumi in Crystallized. There are just so many things wrong with Llorumi that goes even farther than just being toxic. Such as Harumi dying of old age when Lloyd is still fairly young due to his oni blood and Garmadon technically adopting Harumi in Season 9, making them siblings (they even look related). I just don't think Llorumi works out and I hope they will not become cannon
It's why I can't help but comment that Harumi should have died, and if that happens, I would be happy, because in a way, the show is aware that trash should be taken out to the garbage. And in this case, the trash is the Llorumi ship.
The Overlord doesn't even feel like himself anymore. In seasons 2 & 3 he felt extremely threatening and nearly untouchable. I remember being scared that the ninja will die if he merely looks at them and now Lloyd casually taunts Overlord and kicks him in the face during his very introduction! The build up / conclusion to the Oni Form also feels like The Rise Of Skywalker. "If you kill Palpatine, he'll take over your body!" *Rey kills Palpatine* "If you beat the Overlord without Oni powers, he'll return eventually!" *Lloyd doesn't use Oni powers*
I'm not exited for Ninjago: United. I'm scared that it's going to end up like the Home Alone movies. Fans of the original 2 movies will know what I mean by this
I like that they brought back overlord as the main villain for crystallized it makes sense for the last season of the series to have one of the strongest and the most evil being in Ninjago universe as a villain
You’re just mad lol
good point
@@Crusty783 very good point
This is a compelling argument.
Didn't think about that.
@@Crusty783 Man you just got your point invalidated in 4 words how is that even possible wtf
The biggest problem in Harumi's "redemption" is that it wasn't a redemption at all. She didn't "become good". She didn't see the error of her ways, she didn't let go of all the hate and resentment she harbored. She kinda just realized she's been fighting the wrong guy...
Yeah, she didn't learn rEvEnGe and hatred are emotions she needed to handle better, she just got someone else to blame. Crystalized part 2 literally ruined everything.
Eh I think she did genuinely feel remorse and guilt for what she did based on some of her facial expressions and responses towards Lloyd. They just did a horrible job at expanding upon it.
It was so bad, and lgbt stuff shoild never be put on children stuff, since children shouldnt care about that yet, in adult stuff sure, wanna know why lightyear was a flop? Go woke go broke is true
True! She didn’t learn she just redirected her anger 💀
@@ericmagana3215
What lgbtq stuff? There was nothing like that in this season 💀
One of my main problems is how they made it so easy to defeat the vengestone warriors. How do you die to stacks of newspapers?!
i love how a wooden guitar is able to instantly vaporise vengestone
@@Crusty783 😂
Pretty sure it didnt but ok
@@l1ttl3ab77 it did in the battle against the Vstone warriors
@@Crusty783 it crushed them but it just immobilized them temporarily. It didnt actually destroy them
I was hoping for a “The benefit of grief” like episode for Kai and/or Jay, so they could really express how Seabound affected them
Same.
same dude
yes me too
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Tbh I wanted a episode to see how Jay elemental power affected his emotions and maybe make him scared of getting close to water because to represent his fear of hurting Nya since his element is water counter
Felt the writing was odd in Part 2. Lloyd says to Harumi that he’d rather see the good in people. He wants to forgive Harumi, despite her manipulating him multiple times.
Yet he didn’t seem to want to see the good in Garmadon, the one who helped the team defeat the Oni the last time they saw each other, and was also helping with saving Ninjago from the Overlord.
yeah exactly :(
like that scene where lloyd shoves the pizza onto garmadon genuinely upsets me in a bad way
Crusty I thought Garmadon eating Pizza was Hilarious🍕😂😂😂😂
@@Crusty783 Honestly, the more I think about it... the more I realize how hypocritical Lloyd really is. Not to mention.... they WANT to make us forget about Sensei Garmadon.
Episode 20 SHOULD have been this: Lloyd has doubts, but suddenly, he starts to wonder if the current Garmadon he sees in front of him is Sensei Garmadon or at least the Lord Garmadon from the 1st two seasons.
Lloyd will actually give Garmadon a chance, as this surprises even Garmadon himself, given Garmadon's relationship with Lloyd in the Oni Trilogy.
@@justinesun631Garmadom someone Lloyd knows is forced to be evil doesn't give a chance but Harumi the person who turned Garmadom evil again in the first place he gives second chances like what?
@@craigpeoples9883 Exactly!
I couldn't help but agree with literally every point made in this video. I really was not looking forward to that Harumi "redemption" arc and was seriously hoping that Lloyd would learn to overcome what she put him through. The writers even elaborated in season 13 that he was still dealing with trust issues after what she's done to him and not even three seasons later he's like "Oh, I kNoW yOu HuRt Me bUt ThErE's GoOd iN eVeRyBoDy!" Like, where is that willingness to forgive when he's face to face with his father whO LITERALLY HELPED HIM FIGHT THE ONI AND SAVE NINJAGO???
Okay, I'm done but lemme just say... I personally loved when Lloyd was jealous of a PLANT! A LITERAL PLANT! That was just plain funny.
There is a reason you're one of my favorite Ninjago TH-camrs.
I loved the plant so much lol
I agreed with none of them lol,
It was a good season
@@suby0137if you can’t agree with a SINGLE point he made, then you’re just in denial
@@craftit4089 lol I’m not, everyone has diff opinion, if u think diff from that then ur in denial, I think it was good shut it
@@Crusty783 Same the plant is fricking legendary
I have a weird relationship with this season. The first 2/3 of this season was great. However, it falls off after that. While there were still some things I liked such as the "jump up kick back whip around and spin" and seeing everyone rebuild the monastery, there are several missed opportunities, the Garmadon and Lloyd stuff felt like a rehash of season 10 until the very end, and the way it feels like they didn't finish watching MotM is pathetic.
Do not forget how HEARTBREAKINGLY crystal generals were nerfed
WHATS MOTM
@@Gunnr7 Marc of the Oni?
@@veryinterestinganimations4938 OH CUZ IT HAD A M AT THE END INSTEAD OF A O SO I DIDNT KNOW
wait i thoguht MotM was master of the mountain and MotO is march of the oni
I just realized, in season 9 Garmadon said to Lloyd "people don't change, they only reveal who they truly are".
That could explain why he doesn't believe Garmadon can change, but Harumi can, because he believes that she is truly good in her heart
Even though she murder her adopted parents and guardian, attempts to kill both the ninja and Lloyd’s mother, work with the literal embodiment of evil. But hey she “help” save the day.
Lloyd wrongly believes she is good in her heart. She demonstrates nothing to back that up, ever. Unlike Garmadon, who IS good at heart, and was good until he was cursed, which even then, he still was, as he loved his family, and that was actually his only reason for wanting to make ninjago in his image in the first place. His motives were love, and loss, and he was cursed. Harumi's motives were just plain evil, and she was not cursed. She chose it. Garmadon had no choice. He gave up his life for everyone. Then he had no choice when Harumi brought him back like a frankenstein monster. Garmadon only said that, because at the time he lacked the self awareness that he later gained. Again, Harumi is to blame for all this. Garmadon wasn't changing, he was reverting back to his true self. The writers really messed all this up. They lacked logic, and they lacked morality. We believe actions, not words. Garmadon says lots of stuff he doesn't really mean, as he doesn't like feeling vulnerable. Harumi never should have been redeemed, and neither Lloyd, nor Garmadon should like her.
The thing that doesn't make sense to me is how the overlord ressurected harumi but when the overlord was crushed she didn't die
Personally my biggest problem was how much they teased lloyd’s golden power coming back and then just didn’t
I KNOW RIGHT?! Harumi brought up how power was never truly lost, and that could have been a great set up for Lloyds golden power returning! I mean fr! Imagine Lloyd’s gold power back and then there’s an epic rehash of the final battle! That would have been legendary!
And just the fact that they did all that stuff about oni Lloyd and then finally when we get to see his form ,it last for 5 seconds. In my opinion, that was pretty disappointing. I just hope in Ninjago 2023 he is the antagonist,then the party starts.
@@smallrockstudios9395 Idk. A big problem with Crystalized was that it was already just a rehash of the final battle
yeah honestly, i was fully expecting lloyd to get back his golden power. instead it turned into a freakin dragon, which was something lloyd could already use (if you ignore the nerf all the ninja got. seriously, i know that the ninja would've been too strong if they had dragons and airjitzu, but cmon bro.)
his golden power would've been much cooler
Yea. One of my only problems with the Crystal King, is how he was defeated, just a slap from the dragon's tail, like cmon, that's incredibly lame compared to the other 2 times. An easy solution on how to fix that, is making the powers that go into Lloyd, not create a dragon from nowhere, and instead grant him his golden powers back, which would be a very good tie-in with season 2, in which that happened but a little differently.
Honestly in my opinion, Crystalized is one of those seasons with a great beginning, decent middle and a horrendous ending, it was definitely great right up until Episode 18-19 where it started going downhill severely. The season definitely has it good parts such as:
- How Harumi came back
- The Overlord returning and the reveal that he was responsible for Garmadon turning evil (that part I didn't expect at all).
- The entirety of Part 1
- Connecting the previous seasons to The Council of the Crystal King
- Pythor in general
However it did have a lot of bad parts:
- Lloyd acting like a dick to Garmadon yet straight up forgiving Harumi immediately (when previously we've seen him having trust issues as a result of her), which ends up giving a wrong message.
- The Mechanic and Nya scene, wtf were they thinking with this scene? That should not have been a thing.
- Nostalgia bait with the scenes being similar to previous parts of the show (i.e. The Ninja getting arrested is similar to Skybound, Overlord VS Lloyd being the end of Season 2)
- Harumi's Redemption as a whole.
- Lack of consequences for anyone (I know its a kids show but that doesn't excuse having zero consequences, even the previous seasons had consequences to them).
- Lack of foreshadowing on the Overlords return
- Lloyds Oni Arc
- LEGO's awful scheduling which I don't think helped at all
Personally, I think Crystalized should have been saved later down the line instead of being the immediate season after Seabound. Season 15 could instead be focused on the Ninja recovering from Nya's sacrifice, how they're grieving in their own ways, the conflict between them and eventually them choosing to move on with the message being "Bad things will happen, but don't let it overshadow the good".
The whole season could be a Kai and Jay season with conflict being the major theme between them, kind of like a Civil war sort of thing. Heck, this could be taken advantage of with the introduction of a new villain created entirely on the collective grief of the Ninja, maybe forming a physical form like a Shadow Nya of sorts that could manipulate them. Perhaps bringing back Nadakhan as he's been hinted at multiple times now and is the most connected to Jay and Nya as a whole. Alternatively, there could be no main villain at all.
How the season will end could be that on the happy side, the Ninja slowly realise what their grief is doing to them and decide not to let it take over them as Nya wouldn't want that and instead would want them to move on. On the opposite spectrum, the ending could an unhappy one with the Ninja unable to accept their grief and because of the conflict between them outright fracturing their friendship, they instead go their separate ways leading to the events of the beginning of Crystalized (still set one year after the season).
The season overall can be a great way to really inflict dark stuff into it whilst also giving out a positive message, especially to those who also sadly lost loved ones as well.
I fucking hate when people pull out the "iT's JUsT a kIDs ShOW" excuse
"The Mechanic and Nya scene, wtf were they thinking with this scene? That should not have been a thing."
What now?
"Nostalgia bait with the scenes being similar to previous parts of the show (i.e. The Ninja getting arrested is similar to Skybound, Overlord VS Lloyd being the end of Season 2)"
Bruh.
@EnmmuPuuI think that he was nice to Harumi because he still had feelings for her and loved her
Also the fact that Garmadon's disappearance wasnt like in the comics about Garmadon's adventures during his absence, and instead we see a different backstory, which is stupid, short and boring, and all based in Ninjago city, oh wow thats where he was the whole time, how anticlimactic. I did like his oni form though, it did great justice to his last one.
Also thats just my silly fan idea, but Crystalized could have been something more, with longer mins of episodes of course, something like the Overlord returning and recruiting more villains (except Garmadon, but actually giving him a choice to join), but his form could have been like the one in his origin story with his battle against FSM, a giant and powerful dark figure that conquered ninjago (then of course switching to a form similar to the one we've got) and the whole season is about the ninjas fighting and surviving in a dark utopia while the Overlord, his servants and the brainwashed poor locals are after them. And of course, more screen time for the Overlord. I could write more about this concept, but I think it would've been fun, but thats just my stupid fangirl idea. Crystalized could have been written better though.
I’m not gonna read it bc this season is donkey cheeks and it’s just fax
Crystallized somehow inserted like 10 completely different storylines for the series finale and didn't do anything with it.
Jay did not mature or learn something after the selfishness he displayed at the beginning of the season. Lloyd learned nothing even though he risked everyone's life out of unwarranted fear. Nya had no relevance to the end. Kai did not have any of the exciting scenes as we had anticipated.
There's more but basically it doesn't feel like a conclusion.
i agree
Hey come on now.
"Nya had no relevance to the end. Kai did not have any of the exciting scenes as we had anticipated"
Bruh.
@@dylansharp8471 Are you going to tell me that Nya participated in the final battle with the other ninjas when the reality is that she was supporting them in the background? Kai didn't have any exciting scenes
@@atanor9787 funny thing is that I feel like Kai was the most memorable ninja of the OG 4 in this season due to the dialogue he was given
@@zer0watch454 kai is so mid after season 5. and kai is my favorite.
Thank you for not making this just a rant full of screaming but an actual review that highlights the many problems with this season.
Shows again that you are a great youtuber.
I hope/believe you will have sucess on crustbound.
ty! :)
this season for me is the definition of "I'm not sad, just disappointed"
I think the line is “I’m not mad, just disappointed.” Still, hard agree.
I’d say it was executed good, but many missed opportunities and too many personality changes
In my opinion here’s how things should’ve went…
1. Wu dies fighting the Overlord.
2. Garmadon dies fighting the Overlord.
3. Either the Ninjago Fuse with the Golden Weapons to become the Golden Ultra Dragon and die fighting the Overlord. Then Lloyd, after losing everything, becomes the Golden Oni and defeats the Overlord.
4. Or the Ninja Fuse with the Golden Weapons and their powers go back into Lloyd, and he becomes the Ultimate Spinjitzu Master again.
And harumi goes to jail
I dont think that the Ninja have to fuse with the weapons and die fighting the Overlord, and idk about Wu, but that could make it so that the fight actually matters more. Also I like the idea of Lloyd either just using the oni to defeat the overlord or getting the gold powers back. Also yeah Harumi shouldve died
I think Garamadon dying would have been a nit too much, but I agree with the rest.
It sucks that none of the returned characters said anything. Like Vania, Benthomaar etc.
Also, why did they refer her to as Princess still? She's literally the Queen now.
@@mr.mortmanslibrary3865 I know, He was literally at her ceremony.
They may have been going for an avengers endgame type scene when all the character gathered to fight the crystal army, yet literally none of them speak. You can really tell that they weren't able to fit enough character moments in the season.
My only problem
Garmadon should have said: ITS GARM’IN TIME
SOOOO TRUE
Then Garm's all over the Overlord and the vengestone army
@@Crusty783 I'm glad Crystallized made Oni Garmadon looking better than the March of the Oni one
my fav line from the movie is "garmadonna likeeyyyyyy", man I wish the movie was still on Netflix
The thing is that Harumi made me mad with her actions. She created genuine anger and disgust with her words and crimes, that’s what made her a good villain to me. This season I wasn’t feeling it from her, she was just kinda boring and it felt like she was just falling for the same bs that she did with garmadon except they tried to force a redemption.
I don’t dislike this part, it was emotional and I almost cried multiple times but it wasn’t AS good as part 1
Edit: also, I don’t like how the council and the crystal enemies got bodied so easily. I would’ve liked to see them stick it out and go out in an epic way (and I don’t mean kill the council members, just make them lose cooler). I’m also not satisfied with just seeing my boy pythor just unconscious and that being the last scene with him, I WANNA KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO HIM. I wanna see the council members being locked up, maybe a funny scene with their cells being next to each other and them quarreling, idk SOMETHING
I would like to see Aspheera shouting smth like "I will have my rEvEnGe" from her cell and other ones are telling her to shut up
My biggest fear with Crystalized came true in part 2.
It tried multiple plot points and charackter arcs and in the end,
it gave us nothing.
Come on now.
What are you talking about?
It gave us shits
The sad thing about all of these points is that its not like the things that took place in the season COULDN'T happen, but the way they were excecuted made it look like the writers had *no time* (that or chose not to prioritize the important things, making their debut feel off)
A prime example of this would be Harumi's "redemption" arc. I'd believe her having so called "feelings" for Lloyd if she actually showed it instead of the writers telling us randomly (isn't show don't tell like, the #1 rule in writing?) I'd believe her wanting to change her ways if she showed conviction instead of smiling proudly when the Crystal King's plans are in motion. It's like the writers were simply using her as a means of conflict ONLY, then at the last minute to build up as much drama as possible for the last episode they go "hey, what if Harumi fought with the good guys?" And they didn't think of how that would look on her overall development :/
it's a kiDs ShOw tho, so no one is actually paying attention to that stuff, right? 🤦
"The sad thing about all of these points is that its not like the things that took place in the season COULDN'T happen, but the way they were excecuted made it look like the writers had no time (that or chose not to prioritize the important things, making their debut feel off)"
Wait what?
They completely butchered Harumi this season and am so upset about it. You outlined all the problems I had with her in this season, so well and perfectly! Great video!👍
ty!
@@villagermuscle966 for me harumi was a great villain. she had reasons more than "I want power and rule over ninjago just because", she went through enough trauma to make her that sadistic. she played her cards right, she didn't just attacked; she used emotional manipulation over lloyd and got what she wanted. that is a good villain. i, however, DID NOT LIKE THE FACT THAT SHE WAS BROUGHT BACK I wish she stayed death because it was a good ending for her
@@villagermuscle966 great villain, horrendous person
I think a lot of the biggest problems and missed opportunities with Crystalized could have been relieved if this weren’t marketed as the final season of Ninjago.
Or should not happened this early the overlord was supposed to be the most powerful villain and he should be the final and the way he lost was stupid as well
The best ending for the mechanic would of been to see him in garmadon/aspheeras cell just smiling, knowing he’s respected
LOL 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
True he could've been the only council member alive
I was so mad with crystalized especially how they handled Kais character in particular. Tommy Anderson hates Kai so despite all the growing and character development in seasons 1-4, his character was reduced to "oh dumb hot head who just wants power" when his character is so much more in the early seasons. Not even mentioning the nya disappearing situation, like this guy had to RAISE his sister since he was F I V E. Nanny or not there should've been moments where the nanny wasnt there and the two had to survive on their own no? This guy had to be a parent to his sister therefore losing his own childhood in the process AND ALL WE GET IS A SUBPAR FIGHT SCENE, MEANINGLESS LINES HERE AND THERE, AND WHEN HE FINALLY GETS HER BACK KAI DOESNT EVEN GET TO HUG HER??
Kai didnt grow in seasons 2 & 3 and his character regressed in season 4
@@skylandersfan6954
What?
Who said Tommy hates Kai?
@@dylansharp8471 yeah, I would think Tommy Andreason likes his characters
They honestly should've pulled off an SOG and Hunted with Crystallised and made the story branch into a second season so that the writers could flesh out ideas and concepts that wanted to explore.
personally I hate S8 but even I agree with this
@@Xeorboom Why do you hate season 8, It's absolutely wonderful interms of writing, animation, design, and it has one of the best villians (until crystalized) that we've seen
@@bigpingus7525 I fell asleep 5 times rewatching it...
but S7 is my favourite season so what do I know?
@@Xeorboom Ironic because my least favorite season is 7 though, too me that season had a downgrade interms of animation, its generally a blur because its been a while I'll try giving it a rewatch. Imo idk how you fell asleep watching sons of garmadon considering its plot was very engaging with the mystery of the quiet one and such.
@@bigpingus7525yeah, season 7 is the most boring one (only good episodes are the first and the last😂) . My fav are 8,5,4 and 9.
one thing i REALLY missed in Crystalized was that Zane and the Overlord didn't had any interaction, they just ruled out that Zane eliminated the Overlord for 13 seasons
He only mentioned Lloyd "tried" defeating him twice now. Dude, did you forget Zane blew you up?
Now sure the 2nd time Lloyd tried to defeat him, but did he forget Lloyd didn't defeat him, Zane did, Zane literally sacrificed himself and destroyed the overlord
@@rickygamingproductions that's not even what i was talking about buddy i was saying they didn't have any interaction and i missed that
@@jay4417 That's what I was talking about. It's like the Overlord forgot Zane was involved in his 2nd defeat but here he says it like Lloyd defeated him when Zane was the one to destroyed him
@@jay4417 Wish Zane and Overlord had some interaction
Here are the changes I would make for Crystalized. Instead of Aspheera taking Nya’s powers it’s Skylor. I mentioned that another video. The ninja still go to jail but they meet Harumi in jail and not Pythor. In this version of Crystalized the first Spinjitzu master noticed how she saved the kid and his parents. The first Spinjitzu master tells Harumi about the Crystal King and how he’s going to destroy Ninjago. He offers Harumi a second chance to warn Lloyd and the other ninja. She accepts it and goes off to warn the ninja. After awhile she gets caught by the police. Lloyd thinks she might be telling the truth. The others however don’t believe her. I forgot to mention that the teapot that Nadakhan is trapped inside will be acquired by Pythor who is currently unknowingly working with the Crystal King at this point in time. Just like in Rebooted Pythor would be wearing some sort of robe and mask. He will also tell Lloyd the same thing that Harumi told him in the actual show. After that Lloyd tells the others about the the masked stranger. The others then realized that Harumi was telling the truth. Pythor still in his disguise finds the teapot that Nadakhan is trapped in and releases him and asks him if wants to join the Crystal King. Lloyd notices this and recognizes him as the evil djinn Jay and Nya told him about. The episode then ends like how it did in the actual show. Nya breaks the ninja out prison also taking Harumi with them. Lloyd pretends he is the mechanic and finds out Pythor is the vengestone buyer and working with the Crystal King who is really the Overlord. It then goes off there.
I personally don't think it's too bad, sure it's got flaws, and it could've been a lot better, but I loved it and enjoyed it greatly, let's see if your video can change my opinion, excited to hear your thoughts! :)
Oh wow I found you here! I like your content by the way. I was looking for the times the weekend whip was used and found your channel lol
@@artemissrijan473 :D
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The beginning of the season was just a retread of the ninja splitting up in Tournament of Elements. They should have shown the ninja remaining intact (considering all they've been through), and we should have seen how the team managed without Nya, especially Kai and Jay. At least in tournament of elements, the ninja did experience their first major loss and were taking some time off to grieve, but in Crystalized, they had completely disappeared from public view even though they were literally Ninjago's defenders. Seems uncharacteristic of the ninja to do that (especially Lloyd) after all they'd been through in the Oni Trilogy. The whole prison arc and new ninja subplot should have never been included, and if they were bringing Nya back, just make it a quick thing where her powers are taken from her, and don't drag it on for several episodes.
I didn’t like the whole, “Nya was the glue of the team”, bs Jay dropped because they worked together greatly before she joined in season6. I get her being a vital member, cuz they all are really, but I never really considered her to be the heart of the ninja.
@@zer0watch454 Yeah, people forget that Skybound was the first season that Nya was a full member of the team. It seems wild that the ninja would not only split up but completely withdraw from public life and just hide out for over a year. If anything, Nya's sacrifice should have motivated the team to work harder to prevent threats. The whole new ninja subplot and prison arc could be completely removed and the season would barely change (although now it will have much more time to develop characters like Garmadon and the villains).
I don’t really see the appreciate for Harumi for her “redemption” like… I’m sorry what? She has caused multiple invasions and scared Lloyd emotionally.. and her manipulation is something that needs to be fixed. At least they caught her and is under surveillance but otherwise the season wasn’t that bad but it wasn’t good IMO. 😅
Another thing is THANK YOU like yes Kai & Jay should’ve bonded and apologize of grief of Nya before she came back but no reunion or anything.. they rushed it so BAD.
I thought a redemption for Harumi would be alright, but only if she died afterward or because of it and her and Lloyd never EVER get back together
@@Wind_Cursed i really dont understand people who want them together like she wasnt abusive towards him multiple times. she gave him serious trust issues and those cant be fixed with "oh I'm sorry". if they get together in ninjago: united is going to be a really bad message for kids, imo
@@jissmol8738 Yeah, it would be a really bad message to send to kids. I'm just hoping they'll go their separate ways
@@jissmol8738
Well it depends on how they handle.
It works in a way for Lumity.
@@Wind_Cursed
Well it depends on how they handle.
It works in a way for Lumity.
the ninjago crystalized trailers made it seem as if it would be as good as Master of the mountain. And I hated how lloyd couldnt trust Garmadon but trusts harumi???? If only they had 20 mins long episodes. Now it wasnt that bad i would rank it top #5 personally. The fights were awesome. But lloyd turning oni lasted like 5 seconds He should embrace that he is oni It wasnt garmadons fault he is evil hes evil but not as evil as harumi she has broken down ninjago 2 times! yet lloyd trusts her Yet he cant trust his father who was only resseructed with the evil side of him. wasted potential
Agree.
I felt like the writers forgot Kai was nya's brother at some points she only had memories of jay only went to Jay she only cared for Jay
I wish they had put a little more effort into Harumi's redemption and Lloyd and garmadon's relationship, it was all kind of messed up.
i agree :(
A little thing about the pythor and great devourer thing.
I think the reason why pythor didn't start talking about how he released the great devourer might have been because of the result. It would be pretry embarrassing to tell someone that you released a great evil only to be eaten 5 seconds later. He could have also gotten some basic knowledge about Harumi's backstory and decided to keep his mouth shut. Also Harumi seems to be playing a blaming game because Lloyd was the one that released pythor and also called himself the so called hero. She sided with the overlord because she was going to bring peace in the dark which could have made her view him as a hero. This would obviously disappoint her when she learns that he created the creature that would ruin her life. This means that if it wasn't for the overlord then Lloyd would have never been releasing the serpentine and pythor obviously wouldn't release the great devourer making all the blame come back on the overlord.
Sorry If a lot of this didn't make any sense but I hope you get the basic idea
Yeah and I think Pythor being eaten alive 15 seconds after releasing the Great Devourer was planned by Overlord.
Overlord created Great Devourer and could theoretically control him.
I mean, think about it.
Pythor did everything he wanted to accomplish in less than several weeks in season 1. Except if it went that way, Pythor would be peaceful again, which wasn't good if Great Devourer was defeated, because it would left noone to do the bidding of evil..
If Pythor wasn't eaten, this is the result:
1. Garmaddon couldn't take over the snake tribe to find the Island where Overlord was kept
2. Scales couldn't become the leader to pacify the snakes, but snakes would still be pacified afterwards.
Pythor's lore was probably not that overused or bad.
It depicts fear of betrayal, resulting in you doing the betrayal first.
Which had unknowing consequences for both sides.
Existence purely hates Pythor, doesn't it?
I think Crystalized was really good up until the 19th episode where there were a lot of plot holes and bad character direction. Also, the last ten episodes wasted a lot of time on useless stuff making the finale (the last two episodes) feel very rushed
imo i think it truly went downhill after the overlord took form (episode 16)
My problems with the season:
Nya being brought back so early
Lack of Kai and Jay focus on loss of Nya
Lloyd still being lovesick
Nya getting her powers back so easy.
Pythor still being evil after the end of Tournament of Elements
The rest of the crystal council being eclipsed by Harumi
Harumi getting off scot free
Wasted Oni Lloyd time
Filler-ish episodes that are used to pack time.
And lots of other stuff.
The Only Filler Episode in the Season was Episode 9 HoundDog MicBrag and I Absolutely Hate That Episode but The Fugi Dove and Jay Stuff was pretty Funny and the Ending Was Hilarious but a Super Boring Episode in my opinion 😡
2:13. She went from "I want my life back, who cares about controlling water" to "I'm useless I can't control water". Really? Taking your life for granted immediately? Doesn't feel like what Nya would do after that kind of experience.
Soo what do we learn here? Never give a Ninjago season 30 episodes, it never goes well
s11 was a banger soooo
Not true.
Not exactly. More like keep the Council of the Crystal King as the first part, making it Season 15, then have it end with the Overlord's return. Thus we get Crystallized.
Alright, hear me out, here’s how I’d personally handle Crystalized part two: (well, this isn’t the full list, but there are many things that I still have no idea what to do with like Kai and Jay’s grieving)
-first of all: Harumi.
As many have already pointed out, her “selfless act” that led to her redemption was completely useless. Not only did it contribute little to nothing to the Overlord’s defeat, but the reason behind it was dumb…what happened to the whole “balance” analogy? And besides, she already knew that millions would die and suffer, but only seemed to care when her parents were brought up. We get it, the overlord possessed the snake, but technically:
1. He did not directly kill her parents. It was collateral damage.
2. Lloyd still released the serpentine, which released the devourer. And besides, what about Pythor? How come he doesn’t get the blame for it?
So here’s what I’d do:
Have Harumi attack the overlord in a fit of rage, until she processes his words and freezes. She’s eventually st*bbed in the back (haha, irony) by a crystal and OFFICIALLY is unalived. We get a scene with her in the departed realm saying hello to her parents, and how she regrets what she’s done (she released the overlord in the first place, and caused the damage). She apologizes directly to the people she k*lled, turns into a kid, and is led to a bright light while holding her parents hands.
Maybe it was any time left, I’d squeeze in a scene where Garmadon and Lloyd talk about it? (Or even better, MISAKO and Lloyd, since she’s been through something slightly similar)
-The Ice Emperor
Hear me out:
What if instead of Zane getting hurt during a random crash, he accidentally switches to the ice emperor as a self defence thing when he gets attacked. When he looks at his hands, he gets scared and deactivates. And at that exact moment, Mr. F shows up and absolutely wrecks him with his own vengestone beast thing. This way, we ACTUALLY get to see the ice emperor’s OG powers for a while (and a reasonable explanation as to why he randomly “returns” when Pixal finds him)
-“Compatible”
Ok, I actually really liked this episode, but I wasn’t the biggest fan of the cliche “true love kiss” thing that brought Zane back, so here’s how I’d change it:
When Borg explains what’s wrong with him, Pixal offers to bring him back…manually.
So she goes inside his head and tries to “find him” so he can “wake up”. (While all this is happening, FugiDove, Ronin, Ultra, and Killow talk about their future and decide to open a food truck when all this is done or something))
She ends up finding him, but he’s asleep and isn’t waking up. She goes back and says her goodbyes (except this time, it’s in Zane’s POV as he slowly tries to wake himself up) and it pretty much ends the same way. Still an annoying fake oi character death, but with a slightly better explanation…I think…
Edit: UPDATE: I FOUND A BETTER WAY TO DO IT.
So inside Zane’s head, Pixal finds the tin can getting beat up by the ice emperor as random memories flash on the screen. Basically, it’s symbolism as to how he believed that the ice emperor defined him and that his mistakes overpowered every positive thing he did.
After Pixal’s lil speech, Zane realizes that if the person he loves most can still love him back after seeing the worse side of him, than he can still love himself, which is how he wins the fight.
-Nya
I feel like her “slowly getting her powers back” kinda sucked…like, it took away the consequences and it didn’t sit right with me.
So hear me out: what if her powers are still there, but the more she uses them the closer she gets to merging again? So instead, she calls Nyad, and she agrees to help? That way Nya’s powers wouldn’t have to randomly return without a price.
-Wu and the Overlord
The overlord’s unalivement didn’t make a lot of sense to me, ngl. Like, shouldn’t there have to be some consequence for “ruining the balance”? He physically cannot perish as long as creation still exists…
But what if the master of creation were to be unalived too?
As Lloyd’s dragon gets weaker, Wu is forced to come to his aid to strengthen it. However, this requires him using his full strength which ends up oofing him in the process. His last words could be something like “I promise I’d stand up to you (overlord) to my last breath. I’m willing to keep that promise.”
Instead of the Ninja talking abo it their powers in the end, we get a “funeral” for Wu.
In the end, as they’re rebuilding the monastery, we get a shot of pretty much every fallen ally from Dr Julien, to Morro, to Mystake in the Monastery rooftop, looking down on the Ninja and their current allies. Eventually, we find Wu (besides the FSM) as he says “remarkable. Quite Remarkable.”
Other than that, I’d definitely leave the final battle alone. The whole point of this battle is the fact that it’s supposed to be the ACTUAL final battle that Quantin predicted and that has been a thing since season 1. Having it be similar to the season 2 finale sounds fitting. (…but it’d be really awesome if the dragon turned into a sword and Lloyd used it to attack the overlord)
Wow that’s alot better than what we got when I was watching compatible I was scared for zane and pixal I thought one of them would sacrifice themselves but through the power of love a robot wakes up like pixals speech brought me to tears how did zane even wake up he’s a robot
Okay the final battle was a bit underwhelming after motm and seabound I was expecting Lloyd to have an epic fight scene where he realises that he can’t run away from his heritage but he can change and he merges his oni and dragon side to destroy the overlord but we ended up getting dragon go brrrrrrr
Okay harumi I despise her like why is that Lloyd and garmadon were blasting the overlord and he took 0 damage but hero with girl power cuts his arm of she deserved to die
Also why does garmadon have wings is it cause he used his dragon powers well I’m done thanks for reading and share your thoughts
hiring you as a writer rn
@@jissmol8738 …bro tysm-
Bro harumi is just manipulated by the overlord
The more I listen to videos like this the more i sadly agree. Crystalized, although entertaining, wasn’t nearly the ending we deserved after nearly 12 years.
Even though I disagree with most of your points, I find it genuinely admirable how much work you've clearly put in to this video. At the end of the day it just really sucks that a season this important has disappointed so many people - and I just hope it doesn't ruin their enjoyment of the rest of the show.
Personally, I really liked Crystallized. It's certainly not without flaws - I really dislike Harumi getting off with seemingly no consequences, and while I'm fine with how Oni Lloyd was handled, I think it definitely should've been conveyed more clearly - but I think this season has some incredible high points, and is reasonably consistent in its quality.
The thing that really hurt this season was the abysmal release schedule. Splitting the season into 2 parts is fine, but everything else related to its distribution was hilariously bad. The worst thing to come out of this was the insane, unrealistic hype that built up. We knew vaguely what was going to happen, so everyone just worked themselves up into anticipating the craziest possible version of that event. Of course I'm not trying to say that we shouldn't have had high expectations, or that it's your fault you didn't like it, but I do think a lot of people were inevitably going to be disappointed no matter what due to the nature of internet hype culture.
Splitting the season in 2 also caused a lot of people to look at it as 2 separate installments, despite that fact that it was written and produced as one story. I strongly recommend anyone who is conflicted about the ending to re-watch the entire season from start to finish. The season's main themes are established in its early episodes, and are obviously pertinent to the finale.
One of the season's two main themes is not giving in to anger and seeking revenge. Conceptually, this is somewhat contradictory to its other theme (listening to your emotions rather than closing them off), but I think they are linked by season's focus on the idea of balance; listen to your emotions, but don't let them consume you. This is what I think they were getting at with the ending for Lloyd's Oni form, but I think Garmadon's reaction to that ideally should've made it clearer.
Anyway, sorry for the super long comment lmao, I have a loooooot to say about Crystallized.
thats a pretty awesome reading!
personally i think the plot really went downhill after episode16, but the stupidly long wait for the season itself let alone the second part is very much to blame for the expectations i think
@@Crusty783 your opinion about the season is not the best , you hate this season and that's cool i liked oh sorry I meant LOVED this season,I strongly disagree with your opinion tho,
You know, Lloyd didn't HAVE to grow two extra arms in Oni form. That was just extra of him.
He doesn't suit them.
I don’t know, I really liked the four arms
I’m sort of worried about how the aftermath of Crystalized’s ending will be playing out. Knowing all of the inconsistencies in this video I can tell that this is going to end up like Total Drama Allstars’ “Sundae Muddy Sundae” or Spongebob’s “Are you happy now”. I’ve sort of liked Crystalized and was happy that the Ninja, Wu or Garmadon weren’t killed. But knowing the cost of it….wow. I don’t know where the Ninjago community or Fandom will go from here, but trust me, I’m more than happy to fix these inconsistencies.
Inconsistencies?
This is a fantastic analysis. Overall I actually loved the season but still acknowledge it’s many flaws. Having written my own complete season of Ninjago, I understand the luxury of having complete control of your story. The vision I had in mind would not have been as well realized if I had to doll it out to five other writers.
what season did you write
Which season did you write?
something that really bothered me is that the vengestone army was so scary and unbeatable but then the ninja get a piece of a spear and they get nerfed to every other army's level
there is also something else that confuses me why didn't the overlord confront Zane? Zane did technically kill him the 2nd time he returned and he targets lloyd only it would be nice to see some interactions between them
If I had rewrite crystalized, I would've had pythor play a much bigger role and maybe rise above the ranks of the other crystal generals to be the Overlord's second in command (mostly considering he's the only pre-oni trilogy villain in the season) which would be through Harumi finding out that Pythor was responsible for releasing the great devour and wanting to kill him only to be stopped by the overlord cause he finds him useful.
I think the best way to describe this season from a casual ninja go viewer. Is that there’s too much ideas and they are all half baked. This is supposed to be a final season but there’s so much stuff that was underutilized. We need an epilogue maybe as a movie?
After watching crystallized, I always wanted to say one famous thing my theatre friend said:"good idea, bad execution",plus add how out of core of their characters ninjas were, especially Jay(but I guess it started when brother Henchmen were replaced by new producer)
There were good ideas and themes in season, but their are outnumbered by flaws
Most of my issues in the season mainly come down to Lloyd, which sucks because hes my second favourite ninja after Cole and hes been consistently great after the movie. He makes characters like Garmadon and Harumi worse because of how closely tied he is to them here which stinks because I actually like those characters here. He's out of character in the season in like 4 different ways and it really hurts the season and his arc
"He's out of character in the season in like 4 different ways and it really hurts the season and his arc"
What?
Great analysis. I agree with almost all of your points here.
I'd like to add that I think this season suffers from being a toy advertisement so much. The Tug-O'-War you've mentioned is definitely apparent in the toy aspect as well. Things like the Dragon Forms, Oni Lloyd, Crystal King Centaur, and more just felt like excuses to make cool minifigures and sets. Usually, the toys are very well integrated, and even when they're not, it doesn't take away from the plot. It feels like the designers felt they had to produce a big wave that the fans will be guaranteed to like to make up for Core. To do this, they include fan favorites like Pythor and Harumi, give us super detailed minifigures, Oni Garmadon, and sets that try to push the limits on standards, like including copious amounts of gold and translucent pieces. As much as I love Core as a wave, I really have to wonder if it was one of the reasons for Crystalized feeling so bloated.
Im pretty sure Core was made in order to give the Crystalized show/sets more time also, I remember hearing something like that a few months back (can't remember where from)
But yeah it feels like this wave/season was just tryna throw as much recognisable stuff in your face as possible (and then they forgot to write a story)
I also have ZERO IDEA what we Needed the new Ninja Team for! At First i thought: OH well, Lego is gonna make some More minifigures to spread across the sets so you have a reason as a collector, But nope! They dont exist in Lego Form and in the Show they the just Borderline unnecessary and well…… dumb
This season was just such a disappointing ending to the series. Originally I wanted them to bring back nadakhan this season because they have been teasing him coming back since season 11 but now I’m really glad they didn’t bring him back because they would’ve just messed that up to. Anyway I think this season would’ve been much better if they got rid of every member of the Crystal council except for Pythor. The story would just be about Pythor helping the overlord and every other villain including Harumi would not even be in the story because they don’t do anything and in Harumis case they completely ruined her character
This season has so many flaws and plot holes and yet I still enjoy myself rewatching it, so I kinda have a love and hate for this season.
that's valid! it is enjoyable when you dont think and just focus on the cool moments
Honestly I dont even think that much plot holes are the issue considering the season makes sound sense from a story perspective from the most part, its just the directions they took certain characters is the issue
@@Crusty783 They should have done a filler season like Prime Empire that was between SeaBound and Crystalized. That way a real villain could have been added to the council instead of a reactive one like Mr. F and we would have felt the effect of Nyas sacrifice because she would have only joined in after Crystalized. 🥷
@@Crusty783 first of ninjago crystalized is terrible it's awesome you brat
Decided to hop back to this video. In the last few minutes of the video, Crusty explained how Ninjago in the Wildbrain seasons just feels recycled and more of the same. I completely agree and this is why I love Dragons Rising so much now that it’s out. DR has the chance to do so many new things and tell new stories which they’re really already doing, and with season 2 releasing soon, I couldn’t be more excited
Same! DR feels like a very fresh take on Ninjago and even when it does lift ideas from older seasons it does enough new with them that I dont have a problem with it
6:27 This is how I kinda felt in The Island with Ronin, it just didn’t feel right. When watching this part in Crystalized, it was quite off putting, because The Mechanic isn’t like this
I agree with you wholeheartedly, I really hope that the new 2023 season finally disconnects Ninjago from these trends and Once again reinvents its formula
18 Reasons Why The Final Battle Is The Same As Crystalized
1. The Villains/Villain Was Used By The Overlord
2. Nya Returned
3. Everyone Gets Corrupted
4. Garmadons Redemption Arc
5. Lloyd Became Golden Again
6. Golden Dragon
7. Stone Like Warriors
8. Lloyd Training
9. Dareth Almost Being Worthless
10. 4 Headed Dragon
11. Mentions Of Bringing Balance By Splitting The Island Into Two
12. The Female Characters Betraying The Dark
13. Destroyed Ninja Bases
14. Golden Weapons Being Used By The Villain
15. Lloyds Naive Personality
16. A Scroll About The Ninjas
17. Overlords Demise
18. Wraps Up The Story But Continuous The Story Anyways
I feel like it needs a part 3, maybe 10 more episodes to ACTUALLY wrap it all up
Or at the very least, comics/books or shorts
They probably continue the series since the ninjas lost their power and stuff but I heard that there's a spin off being made for next year
Could you even call Harumi’s switch to good a “redemption”?
its debtable if its even fleshed out enough to consitute being called a redemption. the show definitely tries to position it as one tho
I just watched this again, and im suprised of how much you have to say for this season. I Don't like this season either, and you really thought deep about this, and dug deep. I can tell you collected your thoughts, and opinions cleary, and did an amazing job This video is literallly Quality or Quantity. It was a long time to wait for this video but that helped thanks.
I really liked crystalised but the biggest problem for me was the 10 minute episode format because season 1 and 2 almost had the same watch time as crystalised even though it had 30 episodes, but they only had 10 minutes to tell the story of each episode instead of 20
Idea for what could have been Harumis motivation. Instead of her being evil again, how about if she was on the good side, but lost all hope of the overlord being ever defeated and serves him because of this. The turning people into Zombies part could then be justified by saying that the overlord only destroys those who aren't under his direct controll, so that the only way to save them is turning them into zombies.
I still find it a crime to this day that we STILL haven't gotten a true Kai focused season
Pilot Season:I’m a joke for you?
The biggest problem that I had with this season is Nya. Just everything to do with her.
She went from side character, to main character for about 6 seasons, then back to a side character who is worthless without powers
@@ryderls2729
Hey come on now.
What do you mean "everything"?
@@dylansharp8471 they wasted her. She had an amazing character arc in Seabound and then they went and ruined it. The set was cool but the show really wasted her
The issue with the Overlord returning was a problem since rebooted. He came out of nowhere in that season too, so it’s not fair to blame the Overlord returning again on this season. I’d rather have Lloyd beat him than Zane
AND THANK YOU FOR MENTIONING THE PYTHOR BIT. Everyone was saying Kabuki was Harumi, I didn’t think so because she would never ally with Pythor.
Where were the elemental masters? Or captain soto? Or mother doomsday? Or the army of reprogrammed nindroids? Or the kids from the boarding school? Or jay's parents? Or cole's dad and the royal blacksmiths? Or thr skulken? Or that giant stone warrior in kryptarium prison?
Jays parents where there and coles dad also
You articulated pretty much exactly how I felt about this season. It just felt like the characters were just going through the motions without any meaningful impact. Lloyd’s underwhelming character arc is probably the most disappointing part for me. As a whole it feels like a mishandling of what came before.
And one more thing, if Scooby-Doo can finally make Velma a lesbian after 50 years, then Ninjago can make Cole gay (or at least properly introduce a lgbt character).
Yeah. At this point theres no excuse to not have important gay chatacters (if luz from owl house can date a girl and talk about being bi, a bi flag on a guitar case does not cut it in 2022)
It's a kids show ,there is NO need for a gay character ,I say ,no politics in a kids show.
@@lynseyk6555 Gay people existing isn’t political
This season was too over-hyped and *is* overrated. I enjoyed it for the call backs to past seasons, fight scenes, and some parts of the plot. But I thought at one point they said there were gonna be flashbacks before season 11, and we only got like 2. So that part was disappointing, along with the fact that Kai is still horribly written and Jay is a selfish idiotic kid that never learns anything, after season 8. Also, if I recall, Zane turned off his emotion meter and when he turned it on he started screaming like a girl or something, but in past death scenes, he was never heavily impacted by their death to result to turning off his emotions.
That just annoyed me, and if I also recall, that went nowhere. And Cole was basically useless this season. And I like how nobody is cringing about the friendship gimmick they did at the end, but in other shows they complain about it. Although it was a missed opportunity to make a cameo with the 2 skeleton guys and the skeleton army.
Also if this is a callback to past seasons, why didn't they even at the slightest reference: The Tornado of Creation, (defeated the Oni, Garmadon said the Oni can defeat the Overlord, if they use the Tornado of Creation, they win.) Elemental Dragons, (that is a way to counter the Crystal Council's Dragons.) Airjitzu, (They can fly directly upwards, would've been a helpful tool at some scenes.) Spinjitzu Burst (Cole could've done that to the Crystal Council, easily take the W)
The Dragon Forms were unnecessarily pointless, as the Ninja got crystalized, and the Crystal Council was never seen "defeated".
Although the Dragon Forms looked cool, they didn't really do much besides summon a Dragon, (although I expected the Ultra Weapon to return for some reason). That also got me thinking, to why the Ninja can't just fly up there to help Lloyd fight the Overlord, since their powers were able to defeat him.
Wasn't the prophecy that Lloyd was supposed to unlock his full potential via Golden Lloyd, and to defeat the Overlord?
Oni Lloyd was one of the reasons people wanted to watch crystalized. Personally, I wasn't a big fan of the Oni, so I never wanted to see much of the Oni Lloyd. Welp I lucked out on that one, seeing that he got 3 seconds of screentime after a whole 18 episodes of build up. And it was executed so horribly, Lloyd was actually dumb to believe Garmadon died, as in this new Garmadons season, there was a specific detail that Lloyd knew to defeat Garmadon. Garmadon gets stronger the more powerful the fight is and the longer the fight is, but Overlord shot like 5 beams at him and although he faked his death, out of all people Lloyd should know that Garmadon should be alive.
Also if this was an end to the previous era of Ninjago, why didn't a single person from the Never Realm return? The only reference we got out of it, was the Ice Emperor "returning" and it was just a facial glitch because Zane broke *again*
*Overall this season was an overrated mess.*
EDIT:
I forgot to talk about 2 more things:
-The New Ninja could've been less annoying.
-Where in the universe were the Elemental Masters.
one last thing was how bad the villains were. People expected Mr. F to get a backstory, to be Echo Zane and to have some cool scenes. But Mr. F really stands for "Mr. F you, we do whatever we want." At least that's what the producers think it means.and we don't even know where he came from and how he's alive. Or if it's just Mr Es data in a new model.
Idk why they hired Pythor out of all people and Pythor said at one point: "If someone's gonna rule the world, I'd rather it be me." Yeah thats self explanatory. If thats the case he should've just helped the Ninja.
The Skull Sorcerer and Aspheera didn't do much but shoot beams on top of dragons.
So the villains were pure garbage, and the Overlord just got rekt after the dragon spawned in. That goes to show you how OP Elemental Dragons would've been.
This season feels like it’s written by AI
accurate as hell tbh. it randomly jumps from idea to idea with no cohesion at all in the way an AI with no screenwriting training would
They really fucking mishandled the Overlord here. If this is to be his final defeat, then he should look just as, if not more, creepy and inhuman than he did back in his first appearance in Season 2. Back then, he was fucking SCARY, there was something just so primal and uncanny about him, his appearance, his voice, just everything about him, and both this and season 3 missed that completely.
I just dont get y tommy said this was a bitter sweet ending it was a happy ending
It's either
1: Tommy knew the leaks about wu death so they had to edit stuff in the finale
2: It's just the lose of the Ninja's powers.
@@adnanaboukewik4950 probably the second one. I doubt they'd change the story last minute just because of leaks
@@coin3720 still though they get it back anyway
@@adnanaboukewik4950 what leak?
@@Crusty783 I thought there were leaks before part 2 releases that wu is gonna die in the end said by some people but then it when part 2 was released no one died.
One of big things I disagree with is the show trying to make oni look bad, it’s just Lloyd’s character, he never looks at the good in people, he picks out the bad, that’s why he doesn’t wanna transform.
problem is the show agrees with him, not doing anything oni related being the big end for his chatacter tells me that the show unironically agrees with what he's say
@@Crusty783 Yeah, and the show sending that message makes zero sense, as the message always was balance. They all three have oni in them, like it or not, to reject that is to reject an important aspect of themselves. I think it's a stupid stance for the writers to take. What would have been amazing, is all three of them embracing both sides, and being able to use both oni, and dragon powers and be OK with that. Still be good people, and be OK with all aspects of themselves.
Man I agree with all of these points and yet the sad part is I feel like there are so many more problems you haven't even touched yet in this season. This really is wasted potential the season.
Great video
I may not agree with the take,I am still beyond excited for this video!
Short answer: Season 16 is basically season 2 of ninjago but 10x worse
15 not 16
I straight up started balling when lloyd said "huh, guess we really are the masters of spinjitzu."
I cried and pooped when Vinny said "it's vinnin time" and he Vinjagoed all over the Overlord
@@coin3720 i cried when fuji dove flew in the sky and fugigoed all over harumi
i hate how garmadon didn’t help wu fight the overlord it would’ve been amazing but i do understand considering his character and we still got an amazing fight and great scene for wu
There is only a minority of people who truly hate crystalised, yet they are so vocal it feels like a 50/50 split.
has anyone ran a poll recently? polls a week ago said atleast 70% or so liked it but ive been seeing alot of my friends who do like it reconsider and like it less since then. may be worth running another
I mean whether the season appeals to one is objective. Although it had many flaws as the runtime was long, thus flaws are unavoidable, I still thoroughly enjoyed the season. I do have to say that the most disappointing point is that oni lloyd should have appeared longer and make the "final battle" a lil' more epic.
thats valid! this video is, at the end of the day, just my opinion - and im glad you liked crystalized ^_^
"I mean whether the season appeals to one is objective"
Did you mean to say subjective?
i have so many gripes with this season and it really couldve been handled better, interestingly tho cole correcting seven isnt the first time hes referred to vania as a princess, in seabound he says "maybe we can get help? from princess vania or somebody?" i know its a small nitpick compared to other inconsistencies but like bro do the creators not watch their own show lol
my main problem is that they made the ninjas rusty for like the 1000th time it was so embarasing to see them loose to that girl with the flame thrower and they even lost a 5v1 to the mechanic.
Half of the councils stories are finished already, such as pythor, vangelis, and aspheera. Then why bring them back you ask? Symbolic reasons, uses to the plot, the fact that most of them are pretty strong villains useful to the crystal king, there still in the show, etc. Mechanic doesnt need a story, how is his character ruined from a few lines? and mr f is technically a new character. "They did nothing new with the overlord" so every time you were starting to like the overlord because hes "fighting for peace" means nothing now? Man said he returned cause of vandalism. how about the constant wars and battles fought over time since season 3? Ghosts, pirates, gangsters, snakes, giant underwater snakes, skeletons, video game robots?
Kai and jay fought. It was a scuffle that was brought out if anger and shock, why must it be talked about after? Also they dont need to have anything done with them now that nya is back, besides interaction with her (yes I do agree she and kai needed more interaction, same with her parents). However nyas arc is not how you make it out to be. Shes more than just a "taxi for the ninja".
Everything she did in crystalized before regaining her powers, she created the new samuri x mech. Sure she got help building it by pixal, but she literally created the ideas for it. She saved the ninjas lives. She helped with Lloyd's escape. She informed everyone about harumi. She helped the ninja escape prison. And yet shes still "useless without her powers".
Lloyd's arc isnt him being mad at his father and loving harumi if that's what ur thinking. His true arc is him finally dealing with the fact that he himself is an oni, which is part of the reason why he hates garmadon this season. Look further in depth. This can be read many different ways. One way is that he truly doensnt believe oni are incapable of being good, and is simply just upset with his father because family issues. That or seeing his oni like father constantly reminds him of his greatest fear, becoming exactly like him, which is literally addressed in the season itself.
Harumi hasnt had her redemption arc yet. Her changing sides is clearly just the start. She clearly isnt "resolved of all sin" as we can clearly see shes under the watch of law enforcement at the end if the season, which Is confirmed to be intentional. What more needs to be said about how she believes that ending a war with one side winning brings peace? She believes if one side truly wins, only then can peace finally be achieved because then there should be no conflict under a world of tyrannical rule, which is literally just like season 9. About harumi having feelings for lloyd. People can change you know. And this case it can be in the oni trilogy. And if you look back at said trilogy theres alot to actually show that this is true. She wanted lloyd to join her, be by her side, since s8. She never wanted him dead. Her last moments in Hunted were spent looking into his eyes. Cryatalzed is most likely expanding from that. Harumi supposedly killing Lloyd's friends in the subway. You say lloyd has no problem forgiving harumi. Dude literally nearly killed her seconds after it happened, and later on threatened her. Then proceeded to hold her captive and take her prisoner. I can see why lloyd willing to "forgive" harumi and hating his father can be a problem coexisting, but like I said earlier, garmadon and lloyd have a much more personal conflict with each other and themselves than lloyd and harumi could ever have. This thing with garmadon and lloyd has been like this since the season 10. I bet you if harumi was revived in season 10, or simply never died in hunted and they went for the same goal, the same exact thing would occur. Lloyd tried changing garmadon in s9 and s10 and look where that got the two, lloyd almost dying and garmadon leaving him while hes seconds away from the departed realm. Alot of plot points on crystalized are merely expanding upon subtle plot points in the oni trilogy and you dont seem to see it. Which is why I ask of you to rewatch both the oni trilogy, then watch crystalized (open minded) right after and hopefully you will see what I'm talking about.
I'm sick and tired of hearing the stupid argument of lloyd giving harumi a chance is a bad message, when other kids shows, and even this show have done much worse and nobody complains about it. Steven universe for example. Galactic genocidal dictators are immidietly forgiven for their actions because they were sad, why? Cause the main protagonists believes they can change. So why is that a problem here? There are many villains in the show who were sought out to be "redeemed". Morro for example. Dude wanted to use the living embodiment of hell to kill the world because he was jealous of a teenager. Yet people consider him redeemed because he warned the ninja of another ghost villain. Ninjago isnt a show about messages, but even I'd there were any messages they wanted to send to children, who wouldnt even comprehend the depth of these concepts, it would be that people can change, or not everyone is completely lost.
I'm not saying crystalized is perfect. It has quite a few problems such as a many subtle errors, anticlimactic ending and unorginality. My biggest personal problems with it was the way harumi was handled after episode 22 and us being robbed of oni lloyd after so much build up. And you can hate it all you want, it's just I find alot of your reasoning to be very poor, and its clear you initially hated the season for its anticlimactic ending and harumis handled it (cause you were praising the season as it was airing untill the final 8 episodes or so) then you were just looking for new reasons to hate it.
"They did nothing new with the overlord" so every time you were starting to like the overlord because hes "fighting for peace" means nothing now? "
Yeah! Once I finished the season and found out that absolutely nothing was done with this thread, I stopped caring about it as it added NOTHING to the character. Even he doesn't hold true to it: th-cam.com/video/L18KP9neLFc/w-d-xo.html
"Harumi hasnt had her redemption arc yet. Her changing sides is clearly just the start." Crystalized is supposed to be a conclusion.
"and is simply just upset with his father because family issues" He literally says "The Oni can't care"
@@Crusty783 with ur overlord point. Ok true.
Ur harumi argument. There is a whole new show coming out. This isnt the true conclusion.
And as for lloyd. Just because he says "the oni dont care" doesnt mean he actually thinks that. People can lie you know. Clearly they are building off of season 10, where lloyd and garmadon started their personal issues again.
@@l1ttl3ab77 crystalized is stated to be a conclusion by everyone involved and should be treated as such
@@Crusty783 that argument is invalid. Its stated to be the end of the current storyline, most likely being the story of the 6 ninja (in which by this point all their stories are practically finished), but not a conclusion to the show as a whole, Hence why I keep bringing up the new series. If it was a conclusion for EVERYONE, why make a new series at all?
What would be cool is if whoever wrote this show redid Crystalized. Just to make that season better.
What kinda stood out to me about Crystalized was that the Overlord had the will to surpass death to the point of holding on to dear life because of his hatred for creation. Otherwise, this season kinda just fell apart due to bad writing decisions. Frankly, I could've done a better job at writing for this season.
Cole’s empty stare makes me think he wasn’t mentally there 💀
It's true about Nya. What they did to her character was so cruel and disgusting. I mean, even when she returned to her human state, she wasn't even given time to properly rejoin the team. (Only 10(?) seconds of screen time with Jay hugging Nya and a smiling Kay next to Jay (I was really hoping to see Kai's emotional reaction to the return of his OWN sister that he raised). Hey, really? I'm not even saying how they don’t say how they missed her a lot, but then they simply forget that they haven’t seen Nya for a year. The writers simply show this by the fact that the guys were just busy and had no time for her. But in season 4, Zane had the same situation, but throughout the season they showed how much they missed Zane even though they were busy surviving the tournament. And absolutely everyone on the team managed to say how much they miss him. But the worst part is that throughout the entire season, Nya has been the villain's punching bag. Was she just brought back to be a plot device for the prison arc and just for fan service? Throughout the season, you'll see her being humiliated and told (including by Nya herself) how useless she is without her powers? And what's more, she wasn't even a ninja and had absolutely no role even as Samurai X. Over the course of the series, she went from ninja ally, to Samurai X, to ninja, and everything else happened in one season. vice versa. She just became a minor character. While the other ninjas assisted in the fight against Overlord, she simply was “side character”revealing that she wasn’t a ninja (simply ruining her entire arc). And all she did was just regain her powers and use them to defeat the mechanic who said she was useless without her powers and she just proved him right by confirming it. How much do you have to dislike a character to do something so dirty to her? After this season I thought maybe Tommy Anderson really doesn't like Nya?
Some of the crystallized defenders will desperately defend this season and say that everything is essentially logical because "there are 4 weapons initially" and many other excuses, but I'm just saying that if they wanted, they could have given Nya so much more role and give her some development. I've seen a ton of fanfics with much better plots. And if the writers wanted, they could have done better with Nya’s character. Hell, they even turned Jay's grief towards Nya into a joke. I expected something much more emotional - that this topic would be given more attention, so little time was spent on such important things and so much time wasted on such stupid and useless things like the fake deaths, newspaper children and Lloyd constantly screaming Harumi.
I was hoping they'd keep Nya 'dead' and make Pixal the new Water Ninja tbh
You know, i really wanted to write a long comment on this video, but i dont really have anything to add! You pretty much hit all of my viewpoints on the head and i agree with all you've said. Great Review, Crusty!
ty val! :)
@@Crusty783 np :D
I wanted to see more Kai vs Jay, and eventually fight. Personally I think Kai would win. Kai’s fire can explode plus he could survive extreme heat if focusing hard enough, so he would be able to survive lightning. Still it would be a pretty balanced battle.
This season has literally 0 stakes for a season that’s supposed to be the “end all be all”
a big issue in my opinion is how all of his soldiers look the EXACT same. in season 2 they at least had a few different ranks and positions in his army and they had an excuse to all look the same because of that and because they were statues. the overlord also just doesn’t feel like himself here , he’s so brutish and sluggish as opposed to his smart and deceitful demeanor in season 2. this season also suffers from the issue a lot of modern cartoons have with overpowered grunts , you don’t want grunts to just solely be throwaway cannon fodder but you also don’t want them to be so powerful they can individually take down groups of people. they overuse vengestone too much basically.
which do u prefer? Crystalized or the Hands of Time season
Hands of Time. Both are bad but HoT can atleast say it doesn't ruin some of Ninjago's best stories.
@@Crusty783 So is Crystalized your least favorite Ninjago season?
Honestly after rewatching Crystalized I kinda wished that Harumi had stayed dead in Hunted. I loved her character in SOG and hunted and her dying was a great end to her character. But crystalized had to bring her back and basically ruin her character. Like for me she’d be an S tier villain but crystalized brings that rank down. Also it’s kinda disappointing that there’s all this build up to Lloyd’s oni side only for it to show up for 15 seconds before never being mentioned again.
Happy 1 year anniversary to this banger video
The WildBrain era to me was trying to retell the classic Ninjago stories in a modern light. Sometimes it worked, and sometimes it didn't. But Crystalized is a B-tier season for me along with SotFS due to rewatchability and meme potential. I rate it a 7.9/10. Not the best, but certainly not the worst imo.
I agree. I don’t dislike this season at all, there’s no dislike. It’s every flawed but I still liked it. The problem is it felt rushed and Harumi was violated, they violated my girl, did her dirty. The bar was also set really high in seabound and part 1. It was good overall
13:58 it would have been awesome, if we saw the battle all over ninjago. people all across ninjago fighting for their home. different armies all battling against the Vengstone army.
another thing I would have loved. if harumi spent time on her own, spending time questioning or trying to justify her actions. And at the end, things are still tense but she is trying to be better. maybe like when she helped evacuated that family after seeing herself in them. or she confronts pythor over it.
that or make her remain evil. unable to let go of her rage and vengeance. people try to convince her but she's too blinded.
Where was Akita!? They say their friends need to be there but nobody from the never realm!?
you know its basically impossible to contact the never-realm normally, so how are they supposed to do it mid-apocalypse
It’s crazy how Harumi literally killed her foster parents but just immediately gets redeemed
FunFact: In the song _The Fold_ the singer said the same thing what the Ninja did in the season Crystalized in the final episode. Jump up then kick back and then Whip around and just spin. In the song: “Jump up kick back whip around and spin and we will jump back do it again.“ Its describing that whole scene when the Ninja tryed master the Dragon Form just summed up.
I agree with all of this video. I had many problems with Crystallized, such as bad pacing for the last 10 episodes and stuff like that, but my main problem was Harumi. I'm pretty sure Lloyd and Harumi are not together and may just be friends, acquaintances, or even just allies, but it still feels like they're setting up something between them which I dislike. Llorumi has had so many problems so I, personally, do not feel like it can ever be fully healthy unless the writers completely ignore everything that has happened between them, which is never a good thing.
I just hope that next season is not next-gen now because then there will probably be someone who is the child or descendant of Lloyd and Harumi due to not clarifying (bringing back or giving him a new one) any other love interests for Lloyd in Crystallized. They could have Lloyd single and find a love interest for him during whatever is happening with the next generation, but I feel like that is unlikely simply because of Harumi in Crystallized.
There are just so many things wrong with Llorumi that goes even farther than just being toxic. Such as Harumi dying of old age when Lloyd is still fairly young due to his oni blood and Garmadon technically adopting Harumi in Season 9, making them siblings (they even look related). I just don't think Llorumi works out and I hope they will not become cannon
It's why I can't help but comment that Harumi should have died, and if that happens, I would be happy, because in a way, the show is aware that trash should be taken out to the garbage. And in this case, the trash is the Llorumi ship.
The Overlord doesn't even feel like himself anymore.
In seasons 2 & 3 he felt extremely threatening and nearly untouchable. I remember being scared that the ninja will die if he merely looks at them and now Lloyd casually taunts Overlord and kicks him in the face during his very introduction!
The build up / conclusion to the Oni Form also feels like The Rise Of Skywalker.
"If you kill Palpatine, he'll take over your body!"
*Rey kills Palpatine*
"If you beat the Overlord without Oni powers, he'll return eventually!"
*Lloyd doesn't use Oni powers*
true but overlord wasn’t in s1 he was in s2 and 3
@@jackmeds12 I made a typo
I'm not exited for Ninjago: United. I'm scared that it's going to end up like the Home Alone movies. Fans of the original 2 movies will know what I mean by this
I like that they brought back overlord as the main villain for crystallized it makes sense for the last season of the series to have one of the strongest and the most evil being in Ninjago universe as a villain
it wasn’t crystallised that ruined the show, it was them removing the set animations, god how i miss those