Stereo - Solid state better than tubes in a stereo setup? Lyngdorf tdai 3400 review
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My experience with the Lyngdorf where it can rival tube preamp + ss amp setup in terms of everything. The most incredible part is that it has room correction. Apparently, I think even mcintosh uses the same technology. Someone point out that The Lyngdorfs aren't Class D, they are Direct Digital. I have not validate this yet but please read up on it.
I own a TDAI 3400 amp for two years now, driving my Harbeth Super HL5+XD.
I am very sorry if i hurt anybodys feelings, and everyone has the right to own opinions. Here is mine: When you are ready to listen to, and enjoy music more than electronics, and spending thousand of Dollars for decades, you by a Lyngdorf, and let Roomperfect do it's trick. After all your room is the part equation, that influences the sound the most. Much more than the gear itself 😉 Roomperfect is 'magic dust' in a box!
Greetings from Denmark (Lyngdorf land) 🇩🇰🇩🇰🇩🇰🇩🇰
I have paired to two Metas and two KC62's, in my case RoomPerfect didn't do the trick, simply add more bass weight instead of reduce it. It's ok for acoustic stuff but for complex (and bad recording) stuff I prefer bypass.
The Lyngdorf room correction DSP is simply amazing and will integrate dual subwoofers with any mini-monitor seamlessly. So not only do you eliminate cord clutter and multiple electronics but can reduce your room treatment to only diffusion panels without worrying about absorption!
Great review as always Thomas, I really enjoy all your reviews. I have just got the TDAI-3400 and think it's great, I was going to get the SDA-2400 Lyngdord Poweramp also, but was told that I didn't need it as it's only 200w into 8ohms the same as the TDAI-3400 and my speakers are easy to drive, full range custom built reference floor standers from Adelaide Speakers. It really changed the sound and filled the mids in beautifully, beefed it up and I wonder if it sounds like tubes (but I've never heard tubes so not sure) all I know is it sounds incredible and like I'm immersed in the music, I added 2 x REL S/812 subs and all I can say is WOW... Wow, wow, wow opens the last part of the sound stage and sounds are like their coming from the RELS, but I walk up to them and nope, they're definitely coming from the speakers and RELS are just adding that low end air for the soundstage and bringing out sounds and sparkle in the mains so that they simply sparkle, so much so I'm thinking of making a line array of 6 REL S/812 with the mains... I'm not too worried about the Lyngdorf losing value, I'm NEVER selling it 🙂... Thank you for this review, because before I purchased my TDAI-3400 it was this review you did that really helped me to decide, you do great work mate 🙂
Thanks a million.
Would love it if at some point Thomas if you could review a REL Line Array of 3 each side (specifically the s812 as they seem to be a great mid point for their line up), I've been thinking of doing that but always watch your reviews first to see what you think, you always have great information and experience to share 😊🙏
Thats so interesting Thomas..thanks for sharing these valuable informations.
Some one commented The Lyngdorfs aren't Class D, they are Direct Digital. I didn't have time to look into Direct digital but want to quickly share this info.
Sound demo : th-cam.com/video/2AEzr6MhYpU/w-d-xo.html
look forward to the demo.
There is no debate whether one is better than the other. It just depends on the synergy of your system and what kind of speakers you have and cabling all play a part in which set up sounds better. These debates have been going on since the beginning of this hobby it’s time to end them. They are both excellent formats and it’s up to the hobbyist to decide which one they prefer.
Nice, one to look out for on the used markets.
I'd like to live in a world where a $10k amp is considered a downgrade.
Hi there i got the little brother tdai 2170 as i think i wrote some time ago :) nice to see that you find Lyngdorf .
Looks great... www.amazon.com/LYNGDORF-TDAI-2170-Integrated-Amplifier-Correction/dp/B00UB6URH4
"Ten thousand dollars? Why are you downgrading"
This stuck in my head
I'm enjoying your videos Thomas! I've been thinking of the "tube sound" a lot lately and why it's so appealing to many audio enthusiasts.
Just dont use them in your power amps unless you like floppy, flaccid bass. We are in 2018, there is literally no reason to pick tube amps unless youre 80 years old and still think solid state hasnt changed in 30 years.
@@Audfile You've obviously never heard a good modern tube amp. You really think people are spending thousands of dollars on amps that have no bass? C'mon man. You're basing your opinion on what you heard from a 40 year old amp obviously.
Ahh the internet. Where everyone is an expert, with zero experience. You've got to love it. SMH
Hey big ups to both Thomas and Joe. I've never heard tubes, what's a cheap one you could recommend? What is that tube sound also jaja?
@@chrisselner5005 Cheap what? Tube amp? Tube preamp? Tube integrated amp?
@@amb3cog good modern tube amp? Okay man. Believe whatever you want. Everything i said is true. Even older guys like PS Audio say just run them on preamps, dont run tube amps, even they are coming around. Tube amps are inferior to solid state for amplification, period. Unless its a guitar amp and even then its debatable.
Room perfect equalisation and room treatment superb quality
And Reisong A10 with Chord Mojo and Klipsch RP 600 sounds fabulous. Thank you👍
another great video on another very interesting topic! Only time will tell, I hope to see the day of affordable/transparent room tune happens!
Yes, trickle down technology, hope we all get to benefit it one day. Room correction do exist in receivers but would love to have these high-end version become affordable to the masses.
you mentioned that it made the system sounded good or better but "different". My experience/understanding is it takes a lot of DSP power to correctly process all the parameters given the sampling was done properly and nothing inside the room had changed since. All that DSP or algorithms will probably add a sonic signature or have some kind of limitations to the sound correction. obviously, there may be more factors involved, but these 2 are just what I'm familiar with off the top of my head. Sound signature will depend on the designer preference on which areas of room corrections he/she prioritize to address and, how he/she address them. Limitations, what if the acoustics of the room falls out of the parameters of the tuning capabilities? Room correction is dynamic much like the active noise cancelling systems in headphones. If I can hear the artefacts in the headphones. maybe?
Yeah good question, my friend told me for this one, he had to place the mic in multiple location and eventually, he got a % reading.(maybe it meant % compare to lab recording) My other friend read up on it and explained to me how they compared their reference track played at the person's place and adjust the sound to match how it sounded at the lab.....something like that, read up on it, apparently it's interesting.
yeah, more sampling means the more accurate reading of the room acoustics and wider sweet spot? maybe? it's too, too much for me on a Friday night. Have a nice weekend!
my friend did a video on this on his youtube channel too, th-cam.com/video/NjL_vGAaCik/w-d-xo.html
Great video!
Still waiting for the Spendor review...
Still thinking about that spendor, what to say about it! I think after I do the buchardt S300 review.
This sounds very interesting. I probably don't have as good of ears as you. I liked the pairing of THIEL SCS4 with a Peachtree Audio Nova 300 integrated amplifier.
I almost bought the Nova 300 and changed my mind last minute, really regret it, you have very nice Thiel speakers.
Finally, a good review on Class D that shows it will rival a Class A or A/B tube. Nice!
I had some Cerwin Vega DX9s for a while. They rocked but sound like a mess without room perfect. I had the 2170 at the time. No joke they sounded like a very proper 10k speaker with room perfect engaged. Completely different speaker with it off.
Yeah jeff rowlands makes unbelieveable amps thsy are way under priced for the level of excellence he brings into the audio world ! nice video Thomas thanks man
It is 5000euro in the Netherlands. But I don't think the price will ever drop.
5:33 his setting/measurements can be saved to the SD card out on the back. And Room Perfect technology sounds amazing once setup. Just sayin tho & interesting vid too 👌🏽🎶
Just tell your friend that he should try the Lyngdorf CD2 via optical input with his 3400 (if he is still in CDs). I got mine last week and the improvement to voices and stage width and depth is astounding IMHO.
I'm getting my 2170 this weekend!
Nice, please share your impressions. Although the 2170 room correction is different than the 3400, I wonder how good is it still.
You can also get the lyngdorf tdai 2170 witch is much cheaper! I have that one and it performs very well. I do like the Room Perfect, its one of the better room corrections, but its not perfect. One issue i have with the tdai 2170 is that you cant choose to only do room correction in the bass frequencies, witch you can with the tdai 3400. I find that doing the room correction in all frequencies can damage the midrange and make it a bit thin. But the bass is in most room grandly improved! BTW. Lyndorf is the name of Peter Lyngdorf from Denmark. He is the owner of Hi-Fi klubben witch is properly the most successful hifi store. He also owns the High End brand Lyngdorf Steinway.
he also owns Dali .
Oh yeah :)
Good to know that the 2170 can't choose what frequencies because now it's out of my list! So I got no choice but to go with the 3400! So Lyndorf is a well known company in Denmark then.
I just do bypass and do some voicing if more bass needed . With My current speakers bypass sounds best , not with My former ones ..
Hehehe Mr. Buchardt
Great insight as always. What about the Ayre Acoustics AX-5 it has that tube like reputation and if you read the reviews there are many reviewers who say this is all you need and some use it as their reference after reviewing it which says a lot.
Never heard that one but would love to one day.
I would really love to see the quality of electronics inside this magical black box.To me its like looking at art.
Just looks like another mother board.... lyngdorf.com//downloads/lyngdorf-tdai-3400-pictures/ The art is whether it sounds like there is a grand piano in the room.
They should make a 2024 version of this amp using up to date digital advancements in both the amp and its DAC. I think it could be a genuine giant killer and get my money.
tray would be great one piece hell I love my yahama rx396 stereo receiver hooked threw my sansui se9 eq it rocks !!
A good class D amp can rival or mimic a class A or A/b at sometimes a 1/3 or 1/4 the price, and deliver sometimes 2 times the power.
01010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101 NO FUCKING WAY!!!!!
NO WAY.
Thomas thank you for this video, I am currently looking at the cheaper TDAI 1120 and I know little about Lyngdorf but heard good things. This has given me confidence that the reviews are not hype.
I just bit the bullet and bought a Lyngdorf TDAi 1120. In a respectable magazine test it beat the Naim Uniti Atom and NAD M10.
Congrats, let me know how it sounds.
@@ThomasAndStereo I also bought a Cayin CS55-A after watching one of your reviews, an amazing amp. It will interesting to compare. I will update with my thoughts next week once I have had the opportunity to test it.
@@elthamlad468 Nice, one thing I noticed with Cayin is their stock tubes lean on the forward side. So it can be a bit bright and thin. Changing tubes can be a night and day experience with Cayin.
@@ThomasAndStereo I changed the stock EL34 to JJ KT88 and much preferred the sound.
Thats Thomas I'm enjoying your videos.the buchardt S300 ??Eny good speaker?
The Lyngdorf if you don’t hear it with room corrección is not even close the room corrección is room perfect is the best I’ve ever heard my McIntosh mx151 had it it take a long time to setup about 2 hours to get 100 percent but in my McIntosh you can turn it off anytime and you’ll see as soon as you turn it off Lynngdorf is the one who created room perfect
I wonder how the Lyngdorf would compare to the Vinnie Rossi LIO. Similar price range - the LIO doesn’t include a streamer but it can incorporate tubes into the preamp section and has an ultracapacitor power supply.
I did not know anything about Vinnie so I start looking into it, interesting that is has so many good reviews! Thanks for sharing.
No prob! I have one paired with KEF LS50's. The high current from the ultracaps and the tube/mosfet combo really makes the KEF's shine.
HeyThomas. Not the right question maby for this treed. I have a Mark Levinson 532h amp with a Classe cp50 pre, mb quart 890s speakers. I miss some transparence and clarity in the sound. Wich pre-amp and speakers would you prefer?
I can't find info on your speaker. Do you have a link? I think your best bet is to upgrade your speakers. Budget?
You present an objective view on audio issues, which I appreciate. You mention the word 'holographic' in this video. Have you heard of the Swedish company named Holographic? It may be worth researching.
This one? www.sics.se/projects/holographic
This one. www.holographicaudio.com
Just to be clear though. Holographic is just a name. It's not any special sound, or anything. I actually have a Pre 25 from them. It's a little solid state preamp.
No need to spend 10.000.00 on an integrated, Try LFD audio for a third of the price and better with the right speakers.
Great review! It would be very nice to hear your opinion…I have the 1120+ KEF R3 Meta and I would like to know if changing to the 3400 would make a noticeable impact in sound quality. Many thanks
I own the same setup. And while I am also curious about the difference 3400 would make, I am already over the moon with 1120. I was worried that 1120 might be not enough power for KEF R3 Metas but after once accidentally going full volume and nearly blewing up half a building, I've changed my mind. There is enough power in this little box. Likely 3400 is still an improvement sound wise but here in UK it is extra £3k over 1120. I doubt it is £3k better differnce in sound. So my advice is: forget 3400 and enjoy your current setup as it is already capable producing an amazing sound.
I have changed anyway from the 1120 to the 3400 and I can hear a noticeable difference, BUT I was also happy with the sound of the 1120. Which in my opinion is superb. In my case I had the opportunity to buy a used 3400 Amp. for a reasonable price. For the full price I would not recommend an upgrade. @@pistopit7142
Thomas, i couldnt resist on asking you what do you think about the Lumin u1 mini? Great content btw, hope to hear from you soon!😊
Thanks, sorry I never tried the u1.
@@ThomasAndStereo oh i thought that one was in the video. Thanks
@@mikeypresa9665 Oh, that one belongs to my friend and I did not realize it was a U1. I have tried the D1 and T1 but I don't remember the U1 as I only heard it for a few hours.
i couldnt find out in the manual but could i hook up a sub or even two subs to the unit to control the volume of my mains+2 subs?
I see RCA and XLR output so I assume you can with those?
Hi Thomas, can you do an extended review with Lyngdorf and room correction? How it compares to other class D amplifiers?
Sorry, that Lyngdorf is gone!
you should check out the vincent tube hybrid integrated amps would like to hear your thoughts
They look beautiful. Never heard of the brand but I love some of their design.
What is the best holographic/3d sounding class ab amplifier in your opinion?
Can you tell us this ? My klipsch rp8000 are the most holographic speakers that I have owned yet. But I want the maximum 3d/ airy sound but I don't know which amp :D
Thank you so much for your reviews and all that
Well, if holographic is your priority, then preamp and power amps with tubes is the way to go. However, you will lose a lot of punch and control if you use tube in the poweramp section relative to solid state.
@@ThomasAndStereo thank you :)
From a 2016 HomeTheater Review of the TDAI-2170 integrated amplifier: Lyngdorf Audio is a descendant of the Steinway Lyngdorf partnership, founded by Peter Lyngdorf, an audio engineer with over 30 years of audio pioneering who at one time was the part owner of NAD Electronics and Snell Acoustics. He is also the current owner of Dali A/S speakers.
hometheaterreview.com/lyngdorf-audio-tdai-2170-integrated-amplifier-reviewed/
This Lyngdorf piece could very well be an exception, but IME, class D always reveals its warts over extended periods - it's sneaky - the type of situation where a couple months would pass and i'd realize I lost the urge to listen. However, in a short A/B comparison, class D performs all the audiophile trickery.
Good luck, I hope it does work out to be a all-in-one solution for you.
Have you settled on those Cantons or still on the hunt?
I am pretty settle on those Cantons, I cannot think of any speaker outperforming them for the price I paid.
Best Integrated Amp I have found so far. Parasound Halo. It sounds incredible. Better than the Marantz Referance.
I keep hearing good things about Parasound, have to try one day. Thanks for sharing.
Thomas & Stereo One of the easy ways to describe the difference with the Halo. It like turning on stereo from mono. It opens the soundstage up. Bass is great too. I’m running it currently with Focal Aria 926 and sometimes with my Dynaudio X44’s.
I have listen to consumer grade high end SS amps and compared them to pro-audio amps and to be honest with you I really don't hear any differences, in some cases I find the pro audio amps sounding better to me. I ended up going with a pair of SS pro-audio Crown XLS 2502 power amps bridged producing 1500W each used as mono-blocks for my left and right speakers. They can drive any speaker load and are dead quiet and never get hot nor do the fans ever kick in when running my system. Do they look as cool as consumer end probably not but I am more about function than aesthetics. I will be building a rack box for them to dress them up a bit. Total investment $1100 for the pair. I would put them up against any consumer grade amp for performance. I am sure with insanely expensive high end speakers maybe one can find subtle differences but for me they work great and I have more headroom for my system then ever before. As per tube power that I have not compared yet. There is much discussion that tubes produce a unique sound for stereo systems and that maybe so. PS Audio Paul McGowan claims that the only place for tubes in a power amp is on the input side of the amp which is how he builds his BKH amps. Then again extremely expensive.
Yeah, high end gear compare to main stream, the difference is very subtle and it's in the details. My wife will not be able to pick up the difference. $1100 is a great price to find something you enjoy. Thanks for sharing your passion.
Dear Thomas, could you do a review of the Lyngdorf Roomperfect? So you can tell us your experience between Roomperfect being switched on/off. Greetings from the Netherlands!
My friend no longer have his Lyngdorf, sorry.
@@ThomasAndStereo thanks for replying. I bought the tdai 2170 two weeks a ago anyway haha. And posted a short sounddemo video. The roomperfect feature is quite impressive, lifting my budgetspeakers to an unexpected high level. I will make a new and longer sounddemo soon using the "crow-song" u use a lot.
Big fan of your videos, cheers!
@@ThomasAndStereo what did your friend jump to? Is he going through a Hi-Fi mid-life crisis or what?
Hi Thomas, what's that bookshelf speaker on your left? Thanks.
That is the buchardt S300. Now that is a review I am spending quite a bit of time on. An amazing speaker. Should be in a week or 2.
www.buchardtaudio.com/
Hi thomas, I think if you hooked up your 450watt McIntosh amp, to the lyngdorf via xlr, I think it would sound better then the amp thats built in. What do you think?.
Yeah, best of both worlds. Sadly both my friend took back the equipment so I would not be able to test it that way. Great idea though.
Perhaps it is not the same with all tube amplifiers, but from what I gather they must have speakers connected to them when powered. Switching cables, especially when the tubes are warming up is never a good idea with those.
Never let any amp with output transformers play into an open circuit. Never let a SS amp play into a short. Some amps have protection but it is always best to power down when making any cabling changes.
Ironically I have been thinking of adding a pass Labs x150.8 to my Lyngdorf just so I can get a nice extra quasi tube sound. What do you, or your friend, think is possible to do to add to the tdai 3400 some of that tube type sound, or is that not needed at all
We never tried it so we don't know and he already sold it. Unless you find it not holographic enough or if you want to round of the edges, then there is no point. If you are going the tube way, I personally think you might as well move to that direction and get rid off this Lyngdorf.
@@ThomasAndStereo you mentioned tube preamps that have the "holographic" soundstage, which ones around the 5k mark can do that
@@jaredcrandall9145 A lot of them can do it. Even the cheap Schiit Freya can do it. (check out my video) Pretty sure Prima Luna ones can do it. Mine were Modwright LS100, Coincident something, (forgot the model), Audio research LS25, LS28, basically any high end one built not long ago should have that holographicness since that is the new sound. As long you stay away from vintage, you should be ok.
Hi Thomas- in your opinion, would the B&W 805 be a good match with this amp? I prefer a slightly open and sparkly top end.
If I were go make an educated guess, I don't see why it will not work well. The only thing you might have to consider is the bass with digital or class D amp is quite clean and nuance instead of big and powerful. I am not saying it will not be dynamic, it is, I am saying that is something you have to be aware of. The problem with giving advice like this is I never heard the combo together and don't know if they have good synergy.
@@ThomasAndStereo Thank you for your honest reply. This is exactly why I follow your reviews.
I plan to add a REL t5i with the 805.
I’m torn between the below two:
Naim Nova+805+REL T5i
TDAI3400+805+REL T5i
Although in leaning towards the TDAI3400.
Thomas, have you sampled a Devialet Expert Pro?
No I have not, is it good?
Which speaker stands are you using? Any recommendations?
Some old bbc stands from 20 years ago.
@@ThomasAndStereo Thanks. Really hard to find speaker stand reviews on the Internet. Only found one by WhatHifi, but most of those stands aren't available in Norway.
the holographic sound you talk about.i know Peter of avshowrooms claims. AudioNet gear can do that.
Hi Thomas, did you ever end up buying a Lyngdorf TDAI 3400? Now that it has MQA and Tidal Connect, I might get one (Demo with discount).
Cool, no I did not.
Have you tried some paper cone speakers?
Nothing sounds better if it is done right
I have never and people have been telling me they are the best, just not as durable.
Just thought if you like vocals and tubes.
Paper have such a directness warm sound.
Best speakers I had as a child, was was made as a cube with a 4 inch full tone paper speaker on each side of the cube.
For those that want to know, it was wired in paired in 3 paralleled, hence 6 speaker. It could for the same reason take any amplifier
almost indestructible.
The speaker I had since just missed something compared to that, just never the same.
The look was horrible but that sound it gave was breathtaking.
Not particular HIFI as such, The stereo was confuse, but the bass was very dry.
but the sound really lived up and came into the room.
Real party speakers.
Hi Thomas, it would be great if you review sometime Devialet Expert 220 pro and compare against Lyngdorf.
Would love to but they are expensive!
Thomas & Stereo Thanks for the reply. Anyways I would look forward for it. I hope you get a review sample somehow.
Is this Amp working with the KEF Blade 2? Thank you!
Sorry, no idea.
@@ThomasAndStereo sorry maybe I asked wrong, does it have enough power for a Blade 2 or similar sized speaker
@Tom Lee In theory there should be enough power.
For me SS for when I need 1. Cheap, 2. No fuss utility amplification, 3. Subwoofer amp otherwise tubes.
I have changed a lot of stuff with Lyngdorf Tdai 3400 and Sda-2400 it plays on Lyngdorf W210 and Sonus Faber Cremona M. intel i7 nuc Roon Rock. Room perfect makes the difference :-)
Thanks for sharing. Makes me even more wanting to get it.
I've been considering adding an amp to my 3400 in order to change up the sound (in a better way obviously), how has the sda2400 helped
My system comprises a premium preamp. Statement monoblocks driving the 8 low frequency drivers in my substantial floor standers. A state of the art stereo power amp driving the mid and high frequency drivers, all gain matched. A highly reputable R to R dac. I’ve not heard your ‘1 box solution’ integrated. I may well find it very appealing. Vut, being a 1 box solution, what do you do in the event of it developing a fault? You’ve lost your complete rig!
Hi Thomas, would the focal 1028 be a good match for this amp?
I would guess if can be because it has a lot of adjustment, if it is too bright, I figure there is a setting to tone it down. I have to try it to really know though.
@@ThomasAndStereo
Thanks Thomas, looking forward to the room correction video and your views.
Which tube preamp that makes bryston 4bsst sound better ?
Unlike modwright ls100 and a few audio research preamps like ls17 to 25
Hi Thomas..I’m intrigued by your videos comparing Lyngdorf vs Mcintosh. Thing is, I’ve got a chances to buy AVM amplifier (solid state - Class AB) which is a good match with my speakers.
However, I want more of 3D holographic imaging that the amps lack. Due to budget constrain, rather than me outsource the cheap tube amplifier, do you recommend lyngdorf over other higher priced tube amplifier on the market?
Wait for my Doge 10 review next week end. I know it is tubes but worth the wait.
I could never afford it but I've just started wishing I could.
Thomes... full concentration. You heard Lyngdorf before, remember the TDAI 1120 ;-) And Lyngdorf are not Class D, they are full digital.
Hi Thomas, does your friend still have the 3400? If yes, is he still enjoying it? I am really interested in getting it.
No, he sold it.
@@ThomasAndStereo really? Do you know what was his reason n what electronics he replaced with?
A good tube amplifier is easier to make than solid state?
I would not be surprised since the technology has been around forever.
I wish I could let you review my new technology but it's patent pending. Essentially it manipulates A.C. audio signals in a non conventional way, so solid state sounds "Tuby" and "Tuby" sounds extra "Tuby" but removes the unwanted distortions and adds more dampening power. It's the Grail in audio, goes beyond the normal to improve any setup. I'm currently trying to find a manufacturer to pilot the technology, hope to get it launched 2019! I got many prototypes built and I can achieve any signature sound and beyond. I know, It's really hard to believe!
That is interesting, hopefully you can get it made. I definitely am very curious.
I will send you a set of prototype Speaker Stabilizers, when its publicly disclosed...
Hey Thomas. What was your impression of the Lumin? Is that the D2?
The lumin D2 was better than the Lyngdorf built in Dac. I did not spend much time with it. Heard it a few times at friend's place. It's really good. I might get a review sample soon so I can give you a better idea if I get one.
Thomas & Stereo sounds great! Thanks!!
Thomas & Stereo Would like to hear more on the Lumin D2
The big question, will class D last? Is it a linear or switching power supply?
Good question, I don't know if it is linear or not. Having said that, I love the fact they are so light.
Class D is the future, period. Like it or not, more amps will go this way. I am not crazy about a switching power supply running an amp though. Caps go and you kill tweeters.
Try some Quicksilver tube gear,Bang for the buck.
I agree the V-4 monoblocks are some of the best tube amps out there.I have owned two pairs.
There is even a cheaper solid state power amp, Class D Audio SDS from USA, way cheaper, a lot sense of "tube" sound, I'm using it, very great clean powerful amp!
got no room perfect :-)
Hi Thomas. I saw in the comments that Lyngdorf is gone, wonder why your friend sold it? Im considering buying 3400 model for my Sonus Faber Guarneri Memento
He just wanted to try other amps. He is like that. After that he tried the hegel 190, Anthem STR, Yamaha AS3000 and Prima Luna EVO400.
@@ThomasAndStereo Ok, so its ok to buy Lyngdorf 😊
@@igormamuzic9000 It is a good unit forsure but everything is a question of taste. I think it is class D (some say no so I am not sure) so keep that in mind.
Yes of course, tnx for your time 😊
The TDAI3400 is not a Class-D! It is Direct digital.
the lyngdorf i 100% digital
Yup, that is what 's amazing about it.
A tube is like a DSP except a tube can only cause a fixed manipulation of the signal. Why not just use a DSP and you have the benefit of a flexible solution where the effect can be changed. Is there some sort of magic I missed? No, I don’t think so. But agree, tubes look more beautiful.
I don't know enough to comment but my impression is DSP changes the curve so it is more 'flat' while tubes don't do it. Have to read up on it when I am ready to add DSP into my system.
Well, it's not a magic thing at all. The soft clipping of tube amps is possible to achieve also with transistor amps but requires some special circuitry added. Ages ago I bought a NAD3020 that became super popular because it had such circuit in it. I even ended up using it with my Stax headphones at some point. But a DSP can do it more precisely and be optimized to better than tube characteristics. Perhaps hard to imagine, but a SHARC Analog Devices DSP (or other such audio DSPs) can make better than tube sound. Tubes do nothing a high quality audio DSP can't do, but obviously DSPs work in the digital domain of audio; thus ideally any tube emulation should be prior to the DAC where the signal doesn't get hurt by additional ADC/DAC conversions. Perhaps a product I should make. Some information about soft clipping: sound.whsites.net/articles/soft-clip.htm
Honestly, you have to give it a few months of listening before making a properly informed decision. I've had a handful of times where I've listened to an amp or speakers for a few hours where I was totally impressed only to end up abhorring that same gear after owning it for a few months.
100% agree. Fortunately, I have confidence in my friend assessment so it is ok. I just need to get one to try at this point.
@@Lion-vv8dq 😆
Thomas, you said tubes are better at creating a holographic soundstage than solid state amps are. Did the Lyngdorf outperform a good tube amp in creating a holographic soundstage?
It did not outperform in this case but who knows, with perfect room dsp calibrated for my room, it might.
Just saw a demonstration of Lyngdorf th-cam.com/video/Edx_fr7O7Ag/w-d-xo.html
In Danish though.
They made several mind blowing statements.
Audiophiles cable are obsolete you can just use a simple power cable to drive the speakers, with out any difference( due to the room correction)
Speakers are best clued to the wall and sub best in corners.
Really touches Audiophiles holy church, The room correction changes it all.
I really need to get one to do some extensive testing with it. Still have no time to go over my friend place to check out room correction. Thanks
The Lyngdorfs aren't Class D, they are Direct Digital. There is no conversion to Analog until the output devices, Exogal with their Comet/Ion combo and NAD have similar DD amplification schemes.
Thanks for correcting me, I have update the comment section. I try to look for more info on their site and can't find anything.
You’ve got a Lumin D2?
no, my friend brought it over to test
Thx for your reply. Hope there will be a report on Lumin. I’m curious about your friends who are audiophiles - are they all Chinese? Did you emigrate to Canada from Hong Kong?
I probably will not make a video on the Lumin as I never really got the chance to try it but if I drop by his place, I can quickly share his impression on it. My audiophile friends some come from HK, China, Brunei, and vietnam. I do have some non chinese too but the crazy ones are asian. I was born in England, studied at Malaysia, Singapore than moved to Canada. I do speaker Mandarin ,Cantonese and Ha ka. You?
I would like to hear about the Lumin
vs bel canto e1x
Dear Thomas, where's your follow up, or was just a fad... the Lyngdorf
th-cam.com/video/Vga1MBsKKMo/w-d-xo.html
They sent me this instead. Not as good as the 3400 but for the price, not bad.
As a Lyngdorf TDAI2200 owner - I am horrified and offended! The amp is NOT, I repeat NOT, a Class D amp. It's a PowerDAC. (Just kidding about being offended). However, Lyngdorfs are a whole different world/lebel to Class-D, when used from a digital source to speakers..........
If you didn’t do the room perfect you totally missed the point of the amp. That’s what separates it from the rest. Night and day.
Wow some people really have so much money to blow. How can any piece of electronics can cost more than a car?
IT applies to many things : super expensive watches, cars, computers....its not that audio is only thing that's expensive.
I buy My stuff from ebay .
Solid state gives a very holographic soundstage too, depending on the quality of your gear. A lot of it is also setup and giving gear room to breathe, and using things like diffusers really maximizes this effect. Tubes introduce microphonic reverb, which is often confused as being "holographic".
If it sounds holographic to the listener, that's all that matters.
@@mrpositronia Now stop making sense. You'll confuse people. Lol
@@Audfile each to their own. Who are we to judge?
@@mrpositronia oh no, enjoy whatever you like, have fun, run all tubes on everything. But lets not pretend they are on the same level anymore. SS amps are just better. Have fun with your different, but dont pretend you are getting the same bass quality, for example, as something like a high end class D amp gives, that ship has long ago sailed.
even thomas told me to go with ss amp. if i wanted that tube sound, i should go with tube preamp. my future speakers are not efficient, i will need ss to get deep solid bass out of them for both movie and music.
Why do you need so much gear ?
Too much clutter
It's a disease!! Check out my new videos where I have built a dedicated de-clutter music room.
Tubes are a rich mans headache. Little point in todays world.
Tubes are affordable now. A few subscribers who don't believe in tubes recently borrowed my tubes gear and they all have tube gear somewhere in their chain now. (Not fully tube setup) Have to try to know if it is for you or not. I also have subscribers who are fully tube decide to make the change after they borrowed my solid-state amp. They realized a mix is a good idea too.
@@ThomasAndStereo Problem is I do not like tube bass, no matter the tube.
I am with you. THat is why I use tubes only in my preamp section. For my power section, always solid state.
I highly doubt this guy knows what he is talking about. People take time in wanting to experience change in audio. It is not something that happens over night, it takes months. Anyone with basic experience will know this feeling unless you've been making really crappy systems that isn't for you.
Welcome to my channel. Just keep in mind my channel is not a review channel in the traditional sense but rather my journey as an audiophile where I share what I learn. So there will be some video where I just get something to try for a short period and some I live with for a while. I am transparent about it and my goal is just to bring a bunch of audiophile together to 'hang out'. For this video, there were 4 of us and one of us owned the Lyngdorf so his input was valuable.
@@ThomasAndStereo That had nothing to do with my comment at all.
Sometimes the sonic novelties of new gear can bias one's impressions, but I also find that with time the person acclimates to the sound even though it may suck e.g. HD800