The problem with the Aligned continuity was that the teams working on each thing wanted to do their own thing and didn't want to communicate with other teams. War For Cybetron and Fall of Cybertron come off as they could be placed in almost any G1 continuity and didn't fit Prime at all
interestingly enough, in Starscream's (guest) appearance in RID 2016, he has a body similar to that concept art; in the show itself he refers to it as he 'went back to his old body style' (paraphrasing here).
As much as I love Transformers Prime, they should have stick with these early concepts because that way it shows that this is a sequel to the War for Cybertron and Fall of Cybertron game. Because we all know the Aligned Continuity is mess with so much continuity error and RID 2015 made it worst. I blame hasbro for not thinking this through or meddling.
Transformers Prime is a bit like X-Men Evolution. These are versions of characters we know, but a little bit different in appearance and attributes. About both shows I'll say this: they were enjoyable, good shows, but maybe they were just a little bit too far from the norm for some fans.
Now that is a great comparison. What's interesting about X-men Evolution is that I see fans liked it knowing how different it was to the comics and 90s cartoon and don't attack fans of the source material. However, some, not all Transformers Prime fans do. At least that's how it seems from my vantage point.
This is the same franchise where we had radically different series like R.I.D, The Unicron Trilogy, and the Movies as a whole. Prime has actual flaws (The Mcguffin hunts, Scrapped plot lines, Season 3 as whole, etc) but not fully stick to G1 isn’t one of them. Wheeljack and Arcee are fine as they are and both were interesting takes on the characters. As long as the idea is executed well enough then I think it’s all fine.
I personally grew up with Transformers Prime. It took me a little while to get accustomed to the designs, having already been introduced to the franchise in the live action movies and War for Cybertron. The story itself, in general, was a treat for me to check out every episode, so much so that I am adapting it in my Audio Drama Series of Transformers Chronicles. For the Autobot models that I would use for stills, I went with the alternators Optimus Prime, Dark of the Moon Deluxe bumblebee, 2007 off-road ironhide, reveal the shield jazz, Legends windblade, Prime Deluxe Cliffjumper, 2007 voyager rescue ratchet, Generations Wheeljack, henkei Hot Rod, and original Prime voyager Ultra Magnus. The Decepticons have a similar choice of figures/models for designs. As for the humans, I decided to make them a little more involved in the story by making them Power Rangers, using the 2017 movie suits and Zords as their basis. I hope to write some more episodes in the coming year, and conclude season 1 by the end of 2024, as well as write some character gallery bios for each major character.
I always liked how Animated tried to appeal to everyone buy either combining multiple versions of a character together (like with season five Ironhide) or just having different versions of a character be different characters (like with Override and Strongarm), when they didn't use an original idea. That's how I would do a Transformers series, just mix multiple generations together with some new stuff.
True... I went back to look at the price on Amazon after I got a copy of it and it had skyrocketed from 50$ to nearly 200$. Mind you, that was around when transformers Prime was still airing
In all honesty prefer the concept designs for Optimus and Bumblebe over ones in the finished show; Ratchet, Ironhide, and Megatron could be reworked; the idea of Spike as a truth-seeking juvenile delinquent reminds of what Kevin Levin from Ben 10 classic would later go to do. Also Ironhide as Wrecker IS f*cking genuis, considering that Ultra Magnus was like the Cyclops to the Wreckers in Beast Hunters. Edit: Prime Arcee being a rough and moody, yet sweet warrior is a neat concept, but it was dragged for on and on also have an Happy 2024, Rodimus.
An interesting mix of Animated, Bayverse, and WFC. I liked the Emergon power up idea, and the various Matrix Power-up Trailers. i don't like Ratchet, but the windshield was a funny G1 reference. From what TJ Omega was saying it sounds like this was at one point built out of the Animated S4.
I like BOTH Animated and Prime. I thought Prime was a lot better than the Bayverse but (just like you) it really bugged me that he didn't talk until the end. He talked in the follow-up RID, but i thought that show wasn't that great. Lol you're exactly right about Wheeljack being Springer. I never thought of it like that. And yes, Arcee is Chromia and Smokescreen is Hot Rod. Especially with him almost becoming a Prime lol
Ill take a concept art book, dig those. Different enough that a new series could use these designs. Love the Uronhide design, and the Commander Figure I got way back when based on it. Happy New Year and Roll Out!
@@RodimusPrimal I should have elaborated further that one must respect other people's TF preference because there are so many in the Aligned Continuity.
If they would've stuck with ironhide instead of bulkhead, they could have peter cullen voiced ironhide in transformers prime just like he did in the G1 cartoon, which would've made the most sense in my opinion.
Because of the transformers movies I learned to speak English! I’m dutch by the way! And when I was 10 years old some American friends of mine came to visit and I came down stairs and started a whole conversation with them! I never had a proper English lesson in my life! So my parents were blown away! And I remember telling them I learned that from movies and tv shows with dutch subtitles! And the movie that specifically came to my mind was the 2007 transformers! I love animated btw! It’s the first transformers series I remembered really watching! I remember staying at my grandparents house and watching transformers animated in the morning!❤
I always say, new fans are welcome no matter where they came into the franchise. Whether it's Animated, Prime, the Movies, Beast Wars, or anything else, including G1. So while you may experience some fans disliking portions of a franchise, keep on liking what you like.
I liked Transformers Prime but I do have the same issues that you had with it. I also didnt like how barren it felt as a universe. It did seem strange that they had Arcee and Starscream not really matching their most iconic designs its strange how much better the concept art for Starscream looks compared to his final form. I always thought Arcee was too much like Chromia in Prime people can make the argument about IDW Arcee being like Prime Arcee but to me a Female Blue Motorcycle with a rough combat focused personality is just Chromia. Wheeljack was definitely Springer's personality in Wheeljack's body and ti their credit they didnt remove his technological ability but it was severely downplayed but then why make him look like his G1 self and not use that personality? I dont really want them to continously reuse G1 designs and ideas but i do think its a lot better when the characters are easily recognisable and carry over certain character traits.
Im someone that entered the fandom of transformers with and grew up adoring Transformers Prime. Ive always loved the show, and wish there were more of its uniqueness, but I agree with the disappointment (?) of seeing a charscter be labelled as someone you knrw but doesn't embody the actual person that has that name. I do like the iterations theg give us in this show, but the differences in this iteration, TF Animated's iteration, and G1's original character concepts are striking and can be understandably frustrating. I wish they didn't just stick to old names or completely transform characters beyond recognition, making nes charsvters to expand this universe would be so much more fun, as well as bringing fairly new or barely used characters, like Bulkhead and Smokescreen. Especially with the direction of the future of transformers, I hope this doesn't become an ongoing issues that kills the franchise in a nose dive
Unfortunately, characters being potentially radically different from series to series kind of happens quite a bit. As much as I love transformers, it's one of the more frustrating aspects of the franchise
I don’t mind different iterations of characters, but it depends on what they do with the characters. As much as I love Transformers Prime, I admit it has problems. The Aligned continuity has a lot of issues. I did enjoy Arcee as a character in Transformers Prime, but G1 and Animated Arcee hold a special place in my heart. I will always prefer Wheeljack as the mad scientist, but I thought the Wrecker take was interesting. However, it would be more fitting to see Springer, Inferno, or Ironfist take that role instead, especially since we rarely see them on screen.
They should've kept the trailer for Prime since that was a huge part of the character. Plus, Roller (that little blue six wheeled thing that is inside the G1 trailer.) could go places where Prime couldn't go himself due to his size. Not sure if Roller would transform or what he'd turn into. ATV? Golf Cart?
Sorry i keep popping on here, i THINK the resistence to having a post G1 Optimus with a trailer falls into (at least three categories 1 price point. Adding a trailer to the basic package almost doubles the box price for the toy 2 in this instance they were forced to play nice with the live action franchise and the LAF resisted having a trailer for prime because of the filming problems it brought along, and Prime couldnt have any toy that was BETTER than its live action toy counterpart 3 G1 optimus with trailer was a huge sell for the collectors…. And having an TFP optimus with a trailer would have competed with that. Just my musings
One thing I find frustrating is that if they change something about the character (personality or design) it immediately gets disregarded, because it's not the original. There are exceptions, but most of the time it feels like they're not allowed to change it up and have any creative liberties.
In my opinion, the aligned continuity hands down has the best media, excluding RID 2015. I get the idea of the characters in tfp not matching the g1 characters, which to me is also frustrating, but as you said in the video, it's really just the names that don't match up. Arcee is more like chromia, which I don't think is a bad thing. Transformers shows have always had issues with reuse of popular character names, so if you ignore the naming issues, I believe that tfp has one of the best cast of characters (designs, story arcs, etc) that has ever existed in transformers media. Animated comes pretty close, but at least for me it doesn't have that cool factor prime has.
If you think of smokescreen as a hot rod than it's a perfect representation of the character. It makes me wonder if hasbro wanted to use specific characters that the show writers did not want to use.
Personally I do prefer the more war exhausted approach to the prime characters after all these bots have been at war for 4 millions years , I mean , we all have heard stories of soldiers coming back from war and behaving totally different from the person they once were like Arcee for example , she still has that motherly aspects to her like her G1 counterpart but it's buried underneath all her losses of losing friends in the great war and it does take a toll on her untile Jack comes into the picture and we slowly see through the show that old part of her motherly side slowly coming back out and Wheeljack while I do prefer G1 Wheeljack , I also like the prime take oh him as well and like Arcee , Wheeljack loosing so many of his wrecker brother and sisters in these suicidal missions and to him many Autobot commanders just failed him and his team to point he became a lone wolf and even distrusted any Autobot officers including Optimus Prime of course he eventually came around after fighting along side Optimus and even learned to work eith Ultra Magnus a commanders, whi he truly didn't like .
I really like this interpretation and for arcee, that makes sense. For wheeljack, however, he did develop as a character but even his starting point was completely different than how he's typically depicted
Starscream in his G1 self and personality have been how I believe the character SHOULD be portrayed as. As such, Animated, the Cybertron games, and somewhat Cyberverse did a decent job with his character.
Geewunners are a funny breed, the Transformers franchise from Beast Wars onwards has been about change, change to themes, characters, characteristics, settings, central conceits, we get new versions of old characters, new characters sporting old one's names or appearance but with a new twist. We have a veritable wealth of options for favourite versions but good old geewunners just can't get over the slap dash, piecemeal mess that was G1 for some reason, I just don't get it, it's all Transformers to me and the depth of choice just gives me more to love.
G1 is the franchise that started it all yet it never had a proper conclusion so naturally fans want more yet they haven't for nearly 30 years yet when they complain it's bad but when animated fans do the same thing it's fine look I get certain g1 purists can be annoying but making fun of the original show that started it all isn't helping evert group has its bad apples
I enjoyed Transformers Prime. Many of the episodes were well done I felt. But I do think they made some mistakes. Killing off new characters quickly. Damaging the hand of Ultra Magnus. Not introducing some old favorites like Ironhide, Jazz etc. I think by the time season 3 ended a handful of new autobots should have been introduced as well as deceptions. Smokescreen def should have been hotrod. He already was without the name.
Transformers Prime wasn't too bad to begin with. I enjoyed it at first at least. In the end I got bored though. Ended up feeling tired and lifeless. Sent me back to Animated. Hadn't seen that at the time I think and I watched all of that.
I don't think prime is a flawless diamond either but i do believe its one of the best series we've gotten in recent years. Ngl, I'd prefer most of the designs in the concept art to the ones we got but i don't mind the switch from cybertron to prime too much. That being said, I'm also really against characterization being changed so much (much more so with starscream and wheeljack than with arcee and magnus), especially since those will stick if they're popular enough (Again, starscream and bayverse bee too). I grew up on the unicron trilogy and got into g1 shortly after so i tend to take these things in stride. I'd prefer the g1 interpretations to be the standard most of the time but if I got mad evertime hasbro did us like that, I'd be the hulk.
No problem with Bumblebee's auto mode, but he should maintain some form that allows him to blend in and gather Intel. Combat was never a part of his picture. Ironhide's auto form works for him much better than any other that I have seen, including g1.
I still hope someday we can get: G1 S2.5 detailing the arrival of the movie characters, building of Autobot City, Autobot capture of the moons, but final loss of Cybertron. G1 S4+ with the various binary bonded partners, pretenders, etc. - possibly re-editing the Japanese G1 animation with new dialogue/story. (minus Cyclonus being reduced to court jester from noble warrior). Animated S4 I do love Prime Animation's sequel to Prime. There are elements of RiD15 I like, but getting the REAL Hot Rod and Springer, so nice!
Yeah I Agree which is why when I watched the Beast Wars Clip in the TROTB I know that was not the Airazor and that's not the Cheetor and that's not the Optimism Primal that I Grew Up With in teh Beast Wars Cartoon. Which I Believe in turn has allowed me to look Forward in to watching TROTB had it not for hearing rumor's that the Beast Wars Characters only got the Exact same Screen time as the Dinobots did in Transformers Extinction as I hear, on top of all of the complaints that I heard about TROTB some of them are from you. I suspect with good reason too. Which was why even to this day I haven't watched TROTB, like you wasn't really a Fan of the Live Action Transformers Films, but with TROTB I was Hoping that would Finally Change, with me being and growing up with the Beast Wars Cartoon as my Entry to the Transformers Franchise after the Toys. But Unfortunately it hasn't.
So i never bothered to Imdb Prime before so i am shocked that RC and Raf’s mom are the same voice actor…… The reason i mention this is i was trying find a way to have both Bulkhead AND IronHide in the show and I was thinking Iron hide could have come later and been a secret Guardian for Raf’s mom….. it would be a gas to have Iron hide have to pretend to be a minivan only to have the blow off reveal of him becoming an up armored pickup truck with a titanium bathtub center core to protect mom in while he is in bot mode
I mean it when I 100% say it. I want Hasbro to recycle the design's for both Ironhide, Bumblebee, Starscream and Optimus Prime for future toys because there's so much potential for these 4 designs as a whole and we need them to be released in the new concept toy line. Heck we are finally getting something similar to Ironhide concept design with reactivate
When it comes to people saying you can't say anything bad about it. That's with every iteration. I don't think any iteration is immune from that. Like it, dislike it, it is what it is. You're not gonna please everyone. Don't hate for the likes. Don't hate for the dislikes. Don't hate. Just enjoy.
What happened to the video? It ended with you in mid sentence. I was enjoying your video, but it ended abruptly as if there was more and got cut. Please tell me what happened. Did it get censored?
No censorship. I should have made an ending video letting you know it was the end of what I was talking about. It was part of a long live stream that I talked about it.
The show runners of Transformers Prime didn't want to listen to Hasbro at all. They were, after all, the same morons that wrote the first two Michael Bay films.
@@pancho855 what that the duo that wrote the two films and then went on to write Prime, only to then further write really terrible movies and tv shows are called morons? That suddenly makes me a Geewunner? Wow you really are a Prime Wunner. Or are you a Bayformers Wunner? Either way, you have to understand I have my gripes about Prime. It's not a perfect show. I think they weigh the show down below Animated. I despise the Bay films with a passion that grows with time and is exacerbated by its fans. However, I don't hate the majority of fans of those who didn't grow up on or prefer G1. That is what you'd call a Geewunner. But if I point out the Prime cartoon's faults and you get defensive about it to an obnoxious level, you have now become worse than Geewunners.
@@RodimusPrimal No, what makes me call you a geewuner is sounding bitchy when saying that those two people were not the best choice to make a transformers cartoon which Hasbro wanted to be in part influenced by the movies. I have a feeling you and Perspective End would be really good friends based on that alone
Touching on the live action films with Michael Bay. With how he butchered so many Transformers. I mean did anyone on the set actually watch the cartoon or read the comics? Not one person said hey nothing really resembles Transformers here. We need to make some major changes. They had to have known most of the people who were going to fill those theaters grew up on and loved the Generation 1 cartoon. Someone had to have known most of us were going to hate how they looked and taking Bumblee Bees voice is the most idiotic thing they could have done. Hasbro keeping that insanity going was the second most idiotic thing that could have been done.
From what I remember Bay never had much respect for the original show and it's fairly clear to see in the decisions he made over the course of things he wanted to reinvent everything in his own way separating what he was doing from the G1 style as much as he could get away with. Basically he thought it was silly. Some might rather say it's silly to think people will accept massive transforming alien robots that look like walking heaps of garbage/scrap metal with equally drab colour schemes... But brighten them up with unique and distinctive colour schemes so each robot has a unique visual character like the G1 style and that will be too much for people to accept but even reasonable minds may differ. I imagine a lot of people at the beginning were telling him these things and I guess they didn't get to work on the films much longer than that until we were left with what we have now.
I never really bought into the "aligned" part of all that. Especially that RiD was supposed to be a sequel to TFP. Imo, the only good thing about RiD was Jazz coming back. Overall, it just didn't fit with TFP at all. I was lucky enough to grow up as a child of the 80's cartoon revolution. I will always love G1 and Beast Wars was excellent! Although Beast Machines was not... The Unicron Trilogy was ok in spots, but never really grabbed me. Animated was very good, but I always felt I wasn't their target demographic. Now TFP, I feel has been the highest quality Transformers product we have gotten to date on any platform. It was well designed with an animation style that I think bridged the generations pretty successfully. It was well written with good character development all around and actual continuity. (Well, there was Miko, but there had to be someone annoying....) And the voice talent and acting were superb! Peter Cullen and Frank Welker were at their best. Jeffrey Combs was perfect. Michael Ironside as Ultra Magnus was genius. I could go on and on. Actually, each actor was just perfect for their role and it really showed. You mention Wheeljack. I did like him alot in G1, but he was my favorite character in TFP. I don't think they changed him as much as you think they did. In TFP, he didn't sleep for millions of years in the Ark like in G1. It is reasonable to surmise that millions of years of war changed his personality and made him into what we saw. His mechanic skills were hinted at a number of times and Bulkhead even said something about him being different as a Wrecker somewhere in late season 3. I'd say the only "bad" thing about TFP is that we didn't get a season 4 which could have introduced a number of new characters. And maybe Starscream's design could have been more like RiD.
I actually think Animated was a better show than Prime and that was after my last rewatch of the two. I place them both much lower than G1 and Beast Wars. Doesn't make them bad shows per se, but they cannot take them top spot and it isn't even close. Even if you don't like RiD 2015, it is full on Canon to Prime. I'm of the opinion that Beast Machines is a splinter continuity from Beast Wars created by Megatron escaping. As for Wheeljack, yeah I'm not buying it for his extreme departure for his character. They basically wrote Springer and inserted it into Wheeljack. Sure the voice acting in that show was superb. Great voice talent coupled by Sue Blu as voice director, as she was in Beast Wars and Animated. But there are other things that bothered me about Prime as a whole.
Prime is my favorite cartoon. I wish that IDW had dived into this universe. I want them to move away from G1 more design wise. The best Soundwave, Wheeljack, Starscream and Arcee period. Megatron actually plans that WORKED. Shockwave was logical and strong. Knockout and Predaking were also great. Best humans. I legit Love Prime. I can go on and on. The only issue I had like yourself was Bumblebee not speaking sooner. I think some G1 fans want retellings of G1 rather than something new
I don't want G1 retellings, I want a G1 continuation. Right were the Rebirth left off and stop rebooting every 3-5 years. I think Prime Soundwave, Arcee, and Starscream looked AWFUL in Prime as representations of those characters and nothing will change my mind otherwise. Especially with that cancerous Bayformers influence. The humans were annoying to an almost Armada levels of annoyance. I legit place Prime as number 4 on my list of best Transformers shows solidly. I can totally respect those that love it though. I think never revisiting the Prime or Bay aesthetic again will be great, but to those that love it, they can like what they like.
@@RodimusPrimal I love both shows probably g1 slightly more but still g1 beast wars armada animated and prime are my favorites and while I agree the comment above is rude for belittling g1 sense with out us none of us would be here I just think you should take a page out retroblastings book and just ignore people because unfortunately prime and bayformers purists are impossible to deal with
@@LordMegatronD-16 I love G1 it was my introduction to Transformers. BUT I don't want to see it again. I think the standard it set will be around forever. I also enjoy the new takes as well. I don't like to see the same thing over and over. Now a G1 sequel would be great as long it covers fresh ground.
@@RodimusPrimal Now a G1 continuation would be cool. That I could get behind I still really enjoyed Prime a lot. The Beast hunter part not as much and I wish Predaking would have more screen time. Jack and Raf actually were fresh as they bought something to the table. Miko..... not so much. But I loved it overall. For me it's 1. Prime - G1 - Beast Wars - Animated
I will say I liked some of the final designs you said you didn't like and should have stayed like they were before; however I would agree on several of your points. I enjoyed Prime but it is quite a flawed show- though I'd argue that some of your criticism (like bland backgrounds) came down to more just a lack of funds to throw at making better backgrounds rather than an intentional art direction
For me, the designs were horrible. That kept me out of the series for years, until I heard someone saying marvels about the show's writing, so I decided to give it a try. I liked the series a lot, is my favorite show after G1 (Beast Wars is 3rd), but the designs really SUCK.
Old-school TF fans can't expect any characteristic changes to their beloved G1 characters. The fact is, anything after Beast Machines (excluding Japanese continuities), are reboots of G1. So, RID 2001* was the western reboot of G1 (while, Unicron Trilogy was the international reboot to G1)! *Car Robots was part of G1.
@@RodimusPrimal Nope. "While 2001's Robots in Disguise was the first to establish the idea of a "reboot" to Western audiences, the first true reboot of the brand as a whole was Armada."
"The Unicron Trilogy is not a part of G1, in the US nor in Japan, despite the presence of Mini-Cons in both franchises. Only Car Robots is part of G1, but not Robots in Disguise (try and figure that out). And putting it mildly at best, unifying timelines will only result in a complete mess."
He's basically Bay Bumblebee. I don't like the the voiceless thing and its made worse with the buzzing sound effects. They waited until the final episode to get his voice back. He's a ROBOT. Transformers can build new parts.
@@RodimusPrimalto be fair both universes have issues it's all subjective but I would agree overall g1 and beast wars are still the best transformers has to offer
I'm gonna say it: Optimus looks boring as hell, Bumblebee is the biggest failure at G1/bayverse amalgamation and look like the Evergreen design, Ratchet needs some white, Megatron's wings actively ruin it, Starscream is way off from the final product's characterization, and Soundwave looks like ass (because if you're doing a uni-leg on a transformer, the least you can do is give them knees. Oh, and he's also a bad ROTF homage), the only one that gets away scot free is Ironhide, because they pretty much nailed him the first time. Also, important correction, this was also before they began developing the games, meaning that this was the proof of concept for the entire continuity.
And mind you, I'm not saying this as a fan of Prime, but of transformers in general, and as a character design hobbyist, some of these just flat out SUCK! Starscream I can see working for another version of the character, Optimus is lacking in a few areas, Megatron needs to loose the wings, and Ratchet just needs to be simplified a little (and again, some white to break up the green), but Boombox McCassette-boobs and Fastwasp McGee over here BELONG on the cutting room floor.
The problem with the Aligned continuity was that the teams working on each thing wanted to do their own thing and didn't want to communicate with other teams. War For Cybetron and Fall of Cybertron come off as they could be placed in almost any G1 continuity and didn't fit Prime at all
It was a major issue and it's why I have my own qualms with parts of the Aligned Continuity.
@@RodimusPrimal For being called the Aligned Continuity, it was anything but.
@@RodimusPrimaldo you want a mall store that sells toys from The Headmasters, Super-god Masterforce, Victory, and Zone?
Imagine a series where every Transformers continuity was examined for contradictions, inconsistencies and lore breaks.
Recently it turned out that there was at least some communication. The authors of Fall of Cybertron have changed something for Prime.
interestingly enough, in Starscream's (guest) appearance in RID 2016, he has a body similar to that concept art; in the show itself he refers to it as he 'went back to his old body style' (paraphrasing here).
Yeah that was really cool
Hopefully we get Concept Transformers Prime toys in the Transformers Studio Series.
As much as I love Transformers Prime, they should have stick with these early concepts because that way it shows that this is a sequel to the War for Cybertron and Fall of Cybertron game. Because we all know the Aligned Continuity is mess with so much continuity error and RID 2015 made it worst. I blame hasbro for not thinking this through or meddling.
Transformers Prime is a bit like X-Men Evolution. These are versions of characters we know, but a little bit different in appearance and attributes. About both shows I'll say this: they were enjoyable, good shows, but maybe they were just a little bit too far from the norm for some fans.
Now that is a great comparison. What's interesting about X-men Evolution is that I see fans liked it knowing how different it was to the comics and 90s cartoon and don't attack fans of the source material. However, some, not all Transformers Prime fans do. At least that's how it seems from my vantage point.
This is the same franchise where we had radically different series like R.I.D, The Unicron Trilogy, and the Movies as a whole. Prime has actual flaws (The Mcguffin hunts, Scrapped plot lines, Season 3 as whole, etc) but not fully stick to G1 isn’t one of them. Wheeljack and Arcee are fine as they are and both were interesting takes on the characters.
As long as the idea is executed well enough then I think it’s all fine.
I personally grew up with Transformers Prime. It took me a little while to get accustomed to the designs, having already been introduced to the franchise in the live action movies and War for Cybertron. The story itself, in general, was a treat for me to check out every episode, so much so that I am adapting it in my Audio Drama Series of Transformers Chronicles. For the Autobot models that I would use for stills, I went with the alternators Optimus Prime, Dark of the Moon Deluxe bumblebee, 2007 off-road ironhide, reveal the shield jazz, Legends windblade, Prime Deluxe Cliffjumper, 2007 voyager rescue ratchet, Generations Wheeljack, henkei Hot Rod, and original Prime voyager Ultra Magnus. The Decepticons have a similar choice of figures/models for designs. As for the humans, I decided to make them a little more involved in the story by making them Power Rangers, using the 2017 movie suits and Zords as their basis.
I hope to write some more episodes in the coming year, and conclude season 1 by the end of 2024, as well as write some character gallery bios for each major character.
It would cool to ironhide interacting with bulkhead and the others
I always liked how Animated tried to appeal to everyone buy either combining multiple versions of a character together (like with season five Ironhide) or just having different versions of a character be different characters (like with Override and Strongarm), when they didn't use an original idea. That's how I would do a Transformers series, just mix multiple generations together with some new stuff.
Man. This is spectacular
Most of this was relased to the public in the Covenant of Primus source book for Transformers Prime
Which is not easily available to many. Still it is good to look at as a whole.
True... I went back to look at the price on Amazon after I got a copy of it and it had skyrocketed from 50$ to nearly 200$. Mind you, that was around when transformers Prime was still airing
In all honesty prefer the concept designs for Optimus and Bumblebe over ones in the finished show; Ratchet, Ironhide, and Megatron could be reworked; the idea of Spike as a truth-seeking juvenile delinquent reminds of what Kevin Levin from Ben 10 classic would later go to do. Also Ironhide as Wrecker IS f*cking genuis, considering that Ultra Magnus was like the Cyclops to the Wreckers in Beast Hunters.
Edit: Prime Arcee being a rough and moody, yet sweet warrior is a neat concept, but it was dragged for on and on also have an Happy 2024, Rodimus.
I'm amazed Prime tuned out as good as it did all things considered.
Yeah it's not a bad show. There were a lot of things it did right. Just my issues with it rank it lower for me.
@@RodimusPrimalThat’s entirely subjective and understandable! I love the show no matter what anyone thinks negatively about it!
An interesting mix of Animated, Bayverse, and WFC. I liked the Emergon power up idea, and the various Matrix Power-up Trailers.
i don't like Ratchet, but the windshield was a funny G1 reference.
From what TJ Omega was saying it sounds like this was at one point built out of the Animated S4.
The funny thing about Ironhide is that they actually made an Arms Micron figure of him and a Kup recolor in retail.
I did get that Kup repaint. I never was lucky enough to find Ironhide physically
I like BOTH Animated and Prime. I thought Prime was a lot better than the Bayverse but (just like you) it really bugged me that he didn't talk until the end. He talked in the follow-up RID, but i thought that show wasn't that great.
Lol you're exactly right about Wheeljack being Springer. I never thought of it like that. And yes, Arcee is Chromia and Smokescreen is Hot Rod. Especially with him almost becoming a Prime lol
These designs will show up again in another series or a game hopfully.
They could. You never know.
don't forget the western accent for ironhide as well
Ill take a concept art book, dig those.
Different enough that a new series could use these designs.
Love the Uronhide design, and the Commander Figure I got way back when based on it.
Happy New Year and Roll Out!
@@Brock-brock hi dude how are you
@@thesadistor-hl7lw good pretty good
Looks more in line with visual style of the War for Cybertron game.
That's what they wanted to have happen. Synergy between the games and the show.
@@RodimusPrimal would've made more sense visually at least lol
It's interesting how early concepts can vastly differ from the final results.
Green rachet could have been Either Brawn or Trail Breaker (color vrs bot mode )
Liking a character is, indeed, a matter of one fan's preference but one must never forget the majority.
What does that even mean?
@@RodimusPrimal I should have elaborated further that one must respect other people's TF preference because there are so many in the Aligned Continuity.
Definitely a G1 person but I also enjoyed TFP and even RID2105, very different universes.
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Good opinion my man!
good job about Concept Art Prime Universe Revealed from Transformers
Happy New Year 🎆
The aligned continuity was an interesting idea, it just wasn't executed very well.
If they would've stuck with ironhide instead of bulkhead, they could have peter cullen voiced ironhide in transformers prime just like he did in the G1 cartoon, which would've made the most sense in my opinion.
7:19 But they later did in their RID (2015) design of Starscream!
You're forgetting that Prime fans LOATHE RiD 2015.
@@RodimusPrimalbut at least starscream had his suitable body
Great video rodimus happy new year till all are one
Because of the transformers movies I learned to speak English! I’m dutch by the way! And when I was 10 years old some American friends of mine came to visit and I came down stairs and started a whole conversation with them! I never had a proper English lesson in my life! So my parents were blown away! And I remember telling them I learned that from movies and tv shows with dutch subtitles! And the movie that specifically came to my mind was the 2007 transformers! I love animated btw! It’s the first transformers series I remembered really watching! I remember staying at my grandparents house and watching transformers animated in the morning!❤
I always say, new fans are welcome no matter where they came into the franchise. Whether it's Animated, Prime, the Movies, Beast Wars, or anything else, including G1. So while you may experience some fans disliking portions of a franchise, keep on liking what you like.
I wouldn’t replace Prime with this but I would like to see it as its own thing
I liked Transformers Prime but I do have the same issues that you had with it. I also didnt like how barren it felt as a universe.
It did seem strange that they had Arcee and Starscream not really matching their most iconic designs its strange how much better the concept art for Starscream looks compared to his final form. I always thought Arcee was too much like Chromia in Prime people can make the argument about IDW Arcee being like Prime Arcee but to me a Female Blue Motorcycle with a rough combat focused personality is just Chromia. Wheeljack was definitely Springer's personality in Wheeljack's body and ti their credit they didnt remove his technological ability but it was severely downplayed but then why make him look like his G1 self and not use that personality?
I dont really want them to continously reuse G1 designs and ideas but i do think its a lot better when the characters are easily recognisable and carry over certain character traits.
Im someone that entered the fandom of transformers with and grew up adoring Transformers Prime. Ive always loved the show, and wish there were more of its uniqueness, but I agree with the disappointment (?) of seeing a charscter be labelled as someone you knrw but doesn't embody the actual person that has that name. I do like the iterations theg give us in this show, but the differences in this iteration, TF Animated's iteration, and G1's original character concepts are striking and can be understandably frustrating. I wish they didn't just stick to old names or completely transform characters beyond recognition, making nes charsvters to expand this universe would be so much more fun, as well as bringing fairly new or barely used characters, like Bulkhead and Smokescreen. Especially with the direction of the future of transformers, I hope this doesn't become an ongoing issues that kills the franchise in a nose dive
I'm glad you can see things from my point of view and I agree, new characters would be much better.
Unfortunately, characters being potentially radically different from series to series kind of happens quite a bit. As much as I love transformers, it's one of the more frustrating aspects of the franchise
How cool optimus got thoe epic power ups in future
I don’t mind different iterations of characters, but it depends on what they do with the characters. As much as I love Transformers Prime, I admit it has problems. The Aligned continuity has a lot of issues. I did enjoy Arcee as a character in Transformers Prime, but G1 and Animated Arcee hold a special place in my heart. I will always prefer Wheeljack as the mad scientist, but I thought the Wrecker take was interesting. However, it would be more fitting to see Springer, Inferno, or Ironfist take that role instead, especially since we rarely see them on screen.
They should've kept the trailer for Prime since that was a huge part of the character. Plus, Roller (that little blue six wheeled thing that is inside the G1 trailer.) could go places where Prime couldn't go himself due to his size.
Not sure if Roller would transform or what he'd turn into. ATV? Golf Cart?
An argo frontier 6x6 ATV
Roller was essentially the R2 D2 of transformers…. They should have given him pop out cameras and manipulator arms….
Sorry i keep popping on here, i THINK the resistence to having a post G1 Optimus with a trailer falls into (at least three categories
1 price point. Adding a trailer to the basic package almost doubles the box price for the toy
2 in this instance they were forced to play nice with the live action franchise and the LAF resisted having a trailer for prime because of the filming problems it brought along, and Prime couldnt have any toy that was BETTER than its live action toy counterpart
3 G1 optimus with trailer was a huge sell for the collectors…. And having an TFP optimus with a trailer would have competed with that.
Just my musings
@@MrSheckstr Definitely an Argo. Plus the Argo is amphibious. Roller could be the comedic releaf character. Kind of a jerk but well-meaning.
Damn. I really like the idea of bumblebee as a 1973 Mustang Mach 1. Or a lookalike if not "official". I've always loved the design of that car.
Me and my cousin are making our own superhero book with our own characters as well 😁
If you have any questions let me know, Ok?
One thing I find frustrating is that if they change something about the character (personality or design) it immediately gets disregarded, because it's not the original. There are exceptions, but most of the time it feels like they're not allowed to change it up and have any creative liberties.
Prime was the best series since the G1
I liked Beast Wars better. And don't discount Animated either.
@@RodimusPrimal fair enough!
In my opinion, the aligned continuity hands down has the best media, excluding RID 2015. I get the idea of the characters in tfp not matching the g1 characters, which to me is also frustrating, but as you said in the video, it's really just the names that don't match up. Arcee is more like chromia, which I don't think is a bad thing. Transformers shows have always had issues with reuse of popular character names, so if you ignore the naming issues, I believe that tfp has one of the best cast of characters (designs, story arcs, etc) that has ever existed in transformers media. Animated comes pretty close, but at least for me it doesn't have that cool factor prime has.
If you think of smokescreen as a hot rod than it's a perfect representation of the character. It makes me wonder if hasbro wanted to use specific characters that the show writers did not want to use.
I always felt prime wheeljack was inspired by armada wheeljack(especially with the double swords).
I would've taken a 4th season of Animated and let Prime cook for another 1 to 2 years.
Personally I do prefer the more war exhausted approach to the prime characters after all these bots have been at war for 4 millions years , I mean , we all have heard stories of soldiers coming back from war and behaving totally different from the person they once were like Arcee for example , she still has that motherly aspects to her like her G1 counterpart but it's buried underneath all her losses of losing friends in the great war and it does take a toll on her untile Jack comes into the picture and we slowly see through the show that old part of her motherly side slowly coming back out and Wheeljack while I do prefer G1 Wheeljack , I also like the prime take oh him as well and like Arcee , Wheeljack loosing so many of his wrecker brother and sisters in these suicidal missions and to him many Autobot commanders just failed him and his team to point he became a lone wolf and even distrusted any Autobot officers including Optimus Prime of course he eventually came around after fighting along side Optimus and even learned to work eith Ultra Magnus a commanders, whi he truly didn't like .
I really like this interpretation and for arcee, that makes sense. For wheeljack, however, he did develop as a character but even his starting point was completely different than how he's typically depicted
Starscream died for me ever since bayverse. He used to be my favourite character.
Starscream in his G1 self and personality have been how I believe the character SHOULD be portrayed as. As such, Animated, the Cybertron games, and somewhat Cyberverse did a decent job with his character.
art looks ok to me
Yeah I like it for it being concept art and I'm glad changes were made. Some things I'm glad they changed. Other parts, not so much.
@@RodimusPrimal Megatron definitely looks better in prime in the concept but prime looked great in the concept but did not look as good in the show
Geewunners are a funny breed, the Transformers franchise from Beast Wars onwards has been about change, change to themes, characters, characteristics, settings, central conceits, we get new versions of old characters, new characters sporting old one's names or appearance but with a new twist. We have a veritable wealth of options for favourite versions but good old geewunners just can't get over the slap dash, piecemeal mess that was G1 for some reason, I just don't get it, it's all Transformers to me and the depth of choice just gives me more to love.
G1 is the franchise that started it all yet it never had a proper conclusion so naturally fans want more yet they haven't for nearly 30 years yet when they complain it's bad but when animated fans do the same thing it's fine look I get certain g1 purists can be annoying but making fun of the original show that started it all isn't helping evert group has its bad apples
Bumblebee looks more like he did in Rescue Bots
In the end I thought they were just using the name for copyright or something like that
The thing that bums me out is that they had plans to utilize Optimus' trailer in different ways.
I enjoyed Transformers Prime. Many of the episodes were well done I felt. But I do think they made some mistakes. Killing off new characters quickly. Damaging the hand of Ultra Magnus. Not introducing some old favorites like Ironhide, Jazz etc. I think by the time season 3 ended a handful of new autobots should have been introduced as well as deceptions. Smokescreen def should have been hotrod. He already was without the name.
Transformers Prime wasn't too bad to begin with. I enjoyed it at first at least. In the end I got bored though. Ended up feeling tired and lifeless. Sent me back to Animated. Hadn't seen that at the time I think and I watched all of that.
I don't think prime is a flawless diamond either but i do believe its one of the best series we've gotten in recent years. Ngl, I'd prefer most of the designs in the concept art to the ones we got but i don't mind the switch from cybertron to prime too much.
That being said, I'm also really against characterization being changed so much (much more so with starscream and wheeljack than with arcee and magnus), especially since those will stick if they're popular enough (Again, starscream and bayverse bee too). I grew up on the unicron trilogy and got into g1 shortly after so i tend to take these things in stride.
I'd prefer the g1 interpretations to be the standard most of the time but if I got mad evertime hasbro did us like that, I'd be the hulk.
Be warned. You've said Prime wasn't a perfect series. You've made an enemy of Prime fans. Take it from experience here! They are very vocal!
No problem with Bumblebee's auto mode, but he should maintain some form that allows him to blend in and gather Intel. Combat was never a part of his picture. Ironhide's auto form works for him much better than any other that I have seen, including g1.
I still hope someday we can get:
G1 S2.5 detailing the arrival of the movie characters, building of Autobot City, Autobot capture of the moons, but final loss of Cybertron.
G1 S4+ with the various binary bonded partners, pretenders, etc. - possibly re-editing the Japanese G1 animation with new dialogue/story. (minus Cyclonus being reduced to court jester from noble warrior).
Animated S4
I do love Prime Animation's sequel to Prime. There are elements of RiD15 I like, but getting the REAL Hot Rod and Springer, so nice!
Didn't people hate that sequel?
@@pancho855 Galvatron's Revenge? I've not heard many reactions beyond the YT comments section.
I'm all about that sequel to G1. I talked A LOT about what I would do with it during my live stream after this segment of it.
@@RodimusPrimal I may have to watch the full stream. Been a busy weekend.
It's been a while since I've seen it, but isn't that G1 sequel you're talking about just "Scramble City"?
Yeah I Agree which is why when I watched the Beast Wars Clip in the TROTB I know that was not the Airazor and that's not the Cheetor and that's not the Optimism Primal that I Grew Up With in teh Beast Wars Cartoon. Which I Believe in turn has allowed me to look Forward in to watching TROTB had it not for hearing rumor's that the Beast Wars Characters only got the Exact same Screen time as the Dinobots did in Transformers Extinction as I hear, on top of all of the complaints that I heard about TROTB some of them are from you. I suspect with good reason too. Which was why even to this day I haven't watched TROTB, like you wasn't really a Fan of the Live Action Transformers Films, but with TROTB I was Hoping that would Finally Change, with me being and growing up with the Beast Wars Cartoon as my Entry to the Transformers Franchise after the Toys. But Unfortunately it hasn't.
So i never bothered to Imdb Prime before so i am shocked that RC and Raf’s mom are the same voice actor……
The reason i mention this is i was trying find a way to have both Bulkhead AND IronHide in the show and I was thinking Iron hide could have come later and been a secret Guardian for Raf’s mom…..
it would be a gas to have Iron hide have to pretend to be a minivan only to have the blow off reveal of him becoming an up armored pickup truck with a titanium bathtub center core to protect mom in while he is in bot mode
I mean it when I 100% say it.
I want Hasbro to recycle the design's for both Ironhide, Bumblebee, Starscream and Optimus Prime for future toys because there's so much potential for these 4 designs as a whole and we need them to be released in the new concept toy line.
Heck we are finally getting something similar to Ironhide concept design with reactivate
When it comes to people saying you can't say anything bad about it. That's with every iteration. I don't think any iteration is immune from that. Like it, dislike it, it is what it is. You're not gonna please everyone. Don't hate for the likes. Don't hate for the dislikes. Don't hate. Just enjoy.
So cool. 👍
I much Prefer Ironhide be in Prime moore then Bulkhead and Yes I do Prefer this Design of Optimus more then Live Action Optimus
I saw those years ago
As some one who grew up with G1, but appreciate most shows... I don't like the initial pic. Optimus is way shorter than Megatron and Starscream.
What happened to the video? It ended with you in mid sentence. I was enjoying your video, but it ended abruptly as if there was more and got cut. Please tell me what happened. Did it get censored?
No censorship. I should have made an ending video letting you know it was the end of what I was talking about. It was part of a long live stream that I talked about it.
@RodimusPrimal No problem. Thanks for letting me know. I love your videos, keep plugging away. G1 will always be the best.
It's so... different.
What happened from the concept to final product that changed so much?
The show runners of Transformers Prime didn't want to listen to Hasbro at all. They were, after all, the same morons that wrote the first two Michael Bay films.
@@RodimusPrimal Wow, I guess you calling yourself a geewuner *was* accurate after all
Also, I didn't know that Eren Kreuger wrote this show
@@pancho855 what that the duo that wrote the two films and then went on to write Prime, only to then further write really terrible movies and tv shows are called morons? That suddenly makes me a Geewunner? Wow you really are a Prime Wunner. Or are you a Bayformers Wunner? Either way, you have to understand I have my gripes about Prime. It's not a perfect show. I think they weigh the show down below Animated. I despise the Bay films with a passion that grows with time and is exacerbated by its fans. However, I don't hate the majority of fans of those who didn't grow up on or prefer G1. That is what you'd call a Geewunner. But if I point out the Prime cartoon's faults and you get defensive about it to an obnoxious level, you have now become worse than Geewunners.
@@RodimusPrimal No, what makes me call you a geewuner is sounding bitchy when saying that those two people were not the best choice to make a transformers cartoon which Hasbro wanted to be in part influenced by the movies.
I have a feeling you and Perspective End would be really good friends based on that alone
I thought these were from the Covenant of Primus.
Touching on the live action films with Michael Bay. With how he butchered so many Transformers. I mean did anyone on the set actually watch the cartoon or read the comics? Not one person said hey nothing really resembles Transformers here. We need to make some major changes.
They had to have known most of the people who were going to fill those theaters grew up on and loved the Generation 1 cartoon. Someone had to have known most of us were going to hate how they looked and taking Bumblee Bees voice is the most idiotic thing they could have done. Hasbro keeping that insanity going was the second most idiotic thing that could have been done.
From what I remember Bay never had much respect for the original show and it's fairly clear to see in the decisions he made over the course of things he wanted to reinvent everything in his own way separating what he was doing from the G1 style as much as he could get away with.
Basically he thought it was silly. Some might rather say it's silly to think people will accept massive transforming alien robots that look like walking heaps of garbage/scrap metal with equally drab colour schemes...
But brighten them up with unique and distinctive colour schemes so each robot has a unique visual character like the G1 style and that will be too much for people to accept but even reasonable minds may differ.
I imagine a lot of people at the beginning were telling him these things and I guess they didn't get to work on the films much longer than that until we were left with what we have now.
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I never really bought into the "aligned" part of all that. Especially that RiD was supposed to be a sequel to TFP. Imo, the only good thing about RiD was Jazz coming back. Overall, it just didn't fit with TFP at all.
I was lucky enough to grow up as a child of the 80's cartoon revolution. I will always love G1 and Beast Wars was excellent! Although Beast Machines was not... The Unicron Trilogy was ok in spots, but never really grabbed me. Animated was very good, but I always felt I wasn't their target demographic. Now TFP, I feel has been the highest quality Transformers product we have gotten to date on any platform. It was well designed with an animation style that I think bridged the generations pretty successfully. It was well written with good character development all around and actual continuity. (Well, there was Miko, but there had to be someone annoying....) And the voice talent and acting were superb! Peter Cullen and Frank Welker were at their best. Jeffrey Combs was perfect. Michael Ironside as Ultra Magnus was genius. I could go on and on. Actually, each actor was just perfect for their role and it really showed. You mention Wheeljack. I did like him alot in G1, but he was my favorite character in TFP. I don't think they changed him as much as you think they did. In TFP, he didn't sleep for millions of years in the Ark like in G1. It is reasonable to surmise that millions of years of war changed his personality and made him into what we saw. His mechanic skills were hinted at a number of times and Bulkhead even said something about him being different as a Wrecker somewhere in late season 3.
I'd say the only "bad" thing about TFP is that we didn't get a season 4 which could have introduced a number of new characters. And maybe Starscream's design could have been more like RiD.
I actually think Animated was a better show than Prime and that was after my last rewatch of the two. I place them both much lower than G1 and Beast Wars. Doesn't make them bad shows per se, but they cannot take them top spot and it isn't even close. Even if you don't like RiD 2015, it is full on Canon to Prime. I'm of the opinion that Beast Machines is a splinter continuity from Beast Wars created by Megatron escaping. As for Wheeljack, yeah I'm not buying it for his extreme departure for his character. They basically wrote Springer and inserted it into Wheeljack. Sure the voice acting in that show was superb. Great voice talent coupled by Sue Blu as voice director, as she was in Beast Wars and Animated. But there are other things that bothered me about Prime as a whole.
@@RodimusPrimalAll fair points. I very much appreciate being able to have a rational discussion about this. That doesn't always happen. 🙂
@@jdciii28 I think that could in large part be because of the internet. So many have a difficult time understanding from someone else's point of view.
I love Optimus’s concept design
Prime is my favorite cartoon. I wish that IDW had dived into this universe. I want them to move away from G1 more design wise. The best Soundwave, Wheeljack, Starscream and Arcee period. Megatron actually plans that WORKED. Shockwave was logical and strong. Knockout and Predaking were also great. Best humans. I legit Love Prime. I can go on and on. The only issue I had like yourself was Bumblebee not speaking sooner. I think some G1 fans want retellings of G1 rather than something new
I don't want G1 retellings, I want a G1 continuation. Right were the Rebirth left off and stop rebooting every 3-5 years. I think Prime Soundwave, Arcee, and Starscream looked AWFUL in Prime as representations of those characters and nothing will change my mind otherwise. Especially with that cancerous Bayformers influence. The humans were annoying to an almost Armada levels of annoyance. I legit place Prime as number 4 on my list of best Transformers shows solidly. I can totally respect those that love it though. I think never revisiting the Prime or Bay aesthetic again will be great, but to those that love it, they can like what they like.
@@RodimusPrimal I love both shows probably g1 slightly more but still g1 beast wars armada animated and prime are my favorites and while I agree the comment above is rude for belittling g1 sense with out us none of us would be here I just think you should take a page out retroblastings book and just ignore people because unfortunately prime and bayformers purists are impossible to deal with
@@RodimusPrimalalso I would love a sequel to g1
@@LordMegatronD-16 I love G1 it was my introduction to Transformers. BUT I don't want to see it again. I think the standard it set will be around forever. I also enjoy the new takes as well. I don't like to see the same thing over and over. Now a G1 sequel would be great as long it covers fresh ground.
@@RodimusPrimal Now a G1 continuation would be cool. That I could get behind I still really enjoyed Prime a lot. The Beast hunter part not as much and I wish Predaking would have more screen time. Jack and Raf actually were fresh as they bought something to the table. Miko..... not so much. But I loved it overall. For me it's 1. Prime - G1 - Beast Wars - Animated
I will say I liked some of the final designs you said you didn't like and should have stayed like they were before; however I would agree on several of your points. I enjoyed Prime but it is quite a flawed show- though I'd argue that some of your criticism (like bland backgrounds) came down to more just a lack of funds to throw at making better backgrounds rather than an intentional art direction
For me, the designs were horrible. That kept me out of the series for years, until I heard someone saying marvels about the show's writing, so I decided to give it a try. I liked the series a lot, is my favorite show after G1 (Beast Wars is 3rd), but the designs really SUCK.
I put Beast Wars above Prime personally. G1 is still number one for me.
@@RodimusPrimal you should call your channel Rodimus Primal “Prime” 😆😁 in honor of these 3 series (joking)
Old-school TF fans can't expect any characteristic changes to their beloved G1 characters. The fact is, anything after Beast Machines (excluding Japanese continuities), are reboots of G1. So, RID 2001* was the western reboot of G1 (while, Unicron Trilogy was the international reboot to G1)! *Car Robots was part of G1.
Micron Legend is also in the same continuity as G1 even though it doesn't really work.
@@RodimusPrimal Nope. "While 2001's Robots in Disguise was the first to establish the idea of a "reboot" to Western audiences, the first true reboot of the brand as a whole was Armada."
"The Unicron Trilogy is not a part of G1, in the US nor in Japan, despite the presence of Mini-Cons in both franchises. Only Car Robots is part of G1, but not Robots in Disguise (try and figure that out). And putting it mildly at best, unifying timelines will only result in a complete mess."
@@mattimusprimal637 you've not seen the Japanese timeline before I take it.
@@RodimusPrimal Oh, so the Japanese timeline is yours now? You took it? Interesting, must be your own fanon!
Why do you hate Bumblebee in Prime!? 😢😢😢😢😢😢
He's basically Bay Bumblebee. I don't like the the voiceless thing and its made worse with the buzzing sound effects. They waited until the final episode to get his voice back. He's a ROBOT. Transformers can build new parts.
@@RodimusPrimal I love Bumblebee in Prime!
I don't get the hate
@@jeremygrandison1040 I love Bumblebee that can talk. I don't get the love for the buzzing.
I away know transformers prime is like a mixture of g1 and bayverse
Layoffs
I covered that in a previous video and I also talked more about it during the stream with eOne being sold.
Are you people mental? I like the TV show, even with Bulkhead. Not a big fan of the G1 Universe
Mental is thinking TF Prime is better than the G1 universe.
@@RodimusPrimalto be fair both universes have issues it's all subjective but I would agree overall g1 and beast wars are still the best transformers has to offer
I'm gonna say it: Optimus looks boring as hell, Bumblebee is the biggest failure at G1/bayverse amalgamation and look like the Evergreen design, Ratchet needs some white, Megatron's wings actively ruin it, Starscream is way off from the final product's characterization, and Soundwave looks like ass (because if you're doing a uni-leg on a transformer, the least you can do is give them knees. Oh, and he's also a bad ROTF homage), the only one that gets away scot free is Ironhide, because they pretty much nailed him the first time.
Also, important correction, this was also before they began developing the games, meaning that this was the proof of concept for the entire continuity.
And mind you, I'm not saying this as a fan of Prime, but of transformers in general, and as a character design hobbyist, some of these just flat out SUCK!
Starscream I can see working for another version of the character, Optimus is lacking in a few areas, Megatron needs to loose the wings, and Ratchet just needs to be simplified a little (and again, some white to break up the green), but Boombox McCassette-boobs and Fastwasp McGee over here BELONG on the cutting room floor.
Can we just all agree that the Bayverse movies were straight trash!
First
Technically not unseen
Yeah the Covenant of Primus. It was overlooked and not picked up by many. Now its rare to even get that information.