Unofficial High Speed Tour of Borden Base Military Museum
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 มิ.ย. 2019
- Canadian Forces Base Borden is located about an hour's drive North of Toronto. The base is open access, so anyone can go to the museum.
In addition to the vehicles at the museum, there are others scattered as monuments around the base. I encountered a T-72 and T-55 on my way out the gate.
Always appreciate the 'Unofficial High Speed Tour' for those who can't travel everywhere under the sun to drool at cool vehicles.
4:27 "That should be immediately recognizable"
*Forgotten Weapons would like to know your location*
A spandau! Shall be no match for my trusty bren gun!
Yep the chauchat is scorched into my memory too
Hey come on he made a couple of good points about the Bren.
I'm simultaneously proud, and alarmed by my ability to correctly label firearms and armoured vehicles ; - ;
@@hallamhal Very different weapons!
The Grizzly Firefly even has "Radley Walters" written on the turret side, the Allies highest scoring Tank Ace. He was a Canadian, serving with the Canadian Army, and passed away in 2012. RIP.
DEEF Never knew that. I wonder if he and Lafayette g. Pool ever crossed paths.
He fought for the Jews ?
One thing you hosers can brag about. Good for you eh?
2015. 🙂 Really amazing man, lived on a farm in Wilno in his retirement with a working Sherman - think a later model, one of the ones we got to fill our armour regiments, post war. The 8 CH in Petawawa used to sometimes send two soldiers there every month to help him maintain it and other things. There was a fire there in the late 80s or early 90s, IIRC, after I'd been posted from regiment. He was the honorary Colonol of the RCAC when I was in and often met the soldiers on course. He had an uncanny memory of people's names and where they were from. Because I was from there, he told me once he was based at the Cape Spear coastal defence fort, Newfoundland and Labrador before his unit went to the UK and converted to armour. In the 80s, at a mess dinner, he insisted the Sherman was the best tank of the war because they were so easily fixed and replaceable. Used to say something to the effect of "I'd lose shermans during the day and the next day there would be replacements. When the Germans lost a tank, it was gone."
It's summer..
*oh my god. The sky is on fire*
Darth Ha ha great one ! Did this go right over every ones head ? ha ha It has been up 13 hours with 270 comments . Darth you made my day , thank you .
"Oh bugger, the sky is on fire"
When I went through CFB Borden in 1973 as a vehicle tech there was a Panther V along the road... Didn't see it in the video. I was impressed at the size of that beast - I'm 6'2" and I barely came up to the top of the tracks...
It is now at the war museum in Ottawa.
Thank you for the tour, and yes, summer is the time to visit Borden.
Forgotten Weapons could have a field day in that small arms exhibit, by the looks of it.
I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU'RE WALKING ON THE QUEEN'S GRASS!
Thats not a Parade Ground
He would do that, he's Irish.
@@RobMcGinley81 - Doesn't matter, we'd get yelled at for even walking on the grass in front of our quarters if there was staff around. If you're in civi's/out of uniform no one cares though.
@@ShortThrowShifting that's right
What do you mean the queens grass? I didnt see any Maryjane there hehe. Seriously what is the problem walking on a military museums grass?
"I'm not going to walk that far". Easy to see how you ended up in armour. Too lazy for the infantry.
Work smarter not harder :-)
lololololololololol
"Use to drive a Cadillac.. now I toss it in my track... "
Yep....I too would prefer to go into battle sitting down..
As we in the Cav say......"a 2nd class ride is better than a 1st class walk" !
8:47 I would say that the Ram is far from being gutted, was just inspecting it about 2 weekends ago, and the engine, transmission, controls/other automotive components, seats, many storage racks and nearly all of the electric system is still in the vehicle (including an electric motor mounted on the turret basket), so fortunately it is actually mostly complete from what I’ve seen inside
to gutted for his standards for an inside the hatch perhaps?
@@whelmy I wouldn't say so, a vehicle with a nearly intact electrical system usually means a mostly complete vehicle, since that is generally the first system taken out of a vehicle which is being gutted. Some parts like the machine gun mount, escape hatch and radios are missing, but it is probably as complete (in terms of amount of parts in any condition) as the Panzer 3 in Bovington. However, the vehicle has been sitting out in the tank park, exposed for around 50 to 60 years, so it is not pretty inside, and every part is covered in dust and rust, and some parts like the commander's seat and turret basket are over half eaten by rust. I made a 22 second clip from where the escape hatch was, and most of what you can see is dust in the air. So I wouldn't say it is gutted, even for his high standards, instead it is un-restored, rusty, dusty and gross for someone like the Chieftain to be in, or anyone for that matter.
@@user-kz3qg1qv2p He's been in some stinkers, all right.
Unfortunately that particular ram in our collection (the Borden military museum has 2 complete Rams and several other destroyed Rams that were used as hard targets) while not being gutted, is totally rusted out inside. Nothing about that tank is salvagable
I worked at CFB Borden in the early 80s and it was are section MTC AVGP hanger that lifted the Whippet out of the tank park and restored it !
18:43 - "I am not that good"
That sound you can hear in the background just after is the sound of 118,000 illusions being shattered.
Just a note: in Hamilton Ontario you also have the Canadian Warplanes Heritage Museum with the last flying Avro Lancaster.
Second last. UK has one, I believe.
@@DataWaveTaGo We do. It's based in Lincolnshire.
@@DataWaveTaGo Indeed you're right.
There is a Lancaster in Ft.MacLeod, Alberta, halfway from Calgary to the U.S. border
@@richardkey4289 Yes she is, but she ain't flying.
Holy crap.. I grew up at Borden. Us kids used to climb inside the tanks when they were out on open display in an area called the 'tank park'. Been inside a Tiger, Churchill, Stuart, Matilda, T-34, Hetz... etc..
This is my home base too. Just a week and a half ago my platoon, RCEME apprentices, did the walk around of all these and our SM and WO gave us the awesome history on these beauties.
Canadian Centurion's were 'upgunned' to the 105mm L7 cannon and right up to MK11 standard before being retired in favour of the Leopard C-1 MBT. Check out the artillery museum in Shilo, Manitoba they have a great collection and change it up from time to time.
I lived at Borden as a kid from 1956 to 1961. I was back briefly in 1976 but after that, according to Google Earth, it seems that the PMQs and much of the old base landmarks were gutted. This video had no discernible landmarks that were familiar to me. I was led to understand that the elementary school was now a museum but perhaps that has changed as well. I am hoping to go back either this summer or next.
The last time I was on base was 1979. I didn't recognize _anything_ on my visit today. Much has changed...
At the 6:00 minute point please pause and consider what object is in view; a gun carriage used to convey the coffin of a Doc member to and from the church and onward to the grave site. A very special vehicle!
Machine shop truck.. my dad was in one of those at his last annual training in the Minnesota Army National Guard in 1998. I wish he was still around to show that Canadian one.
Canada seems like a nice place to visit. Nice collection of stuff too!
A wild Ash I see
Hey I know that guy
Hamilton airport is also home to the Canadian Warplane Heritage Museum - WELL worth a visit!
And ... you can purchase flights in many aircraft including the Lancaster bomber. Well worth the price for a once in a lifetime experience.
"Getting onto the base was easy. There wasn't even a guard post."
Simpson's quote:
(Lisa goes to her dad Homers workplace at a nuclear plant.)
Homer: "How did you get past the security guard?"
Lisa: "Security guard?"
:)
That M13 is the most surprising thing there. Was not expecting to see that haha
I did my initial Air Force training there in 1980. I also changed many engines on that particular CF-5A (116710) while posted to 419 TTFS in the 80's. It brings back memories, thanks for sharing.
I've been to that museum many times. CFB Borden is home to Cadet Training Centre Blackdown, which will house over 2000 cadets. From 2016 - 2019, I worked with the two week kids, and each serial would go visit the museum during the 6 weeks the camp was open.
Just wanted to point out that at 2:50, the wall on your left are all of the Canadian Forces personnel who have lost their lives since the War in Afghanistan began. The first four pictures in the top left are 4 members of the PPCLI who were killed in a friendly fire incident when an American pilot dropped a bomb on a training area.
Also, at 3:10, you walk past a series of posters that list every Canadian who has been awarded the Victoria Cross. It has their pictures and a short blurb about what they went through.
If you have one of the staff talk with you about the vehicles, they point out that while the T-55 you show at 9:05 is a Soviet tank, it is actually a German vehicle. If you get into the seat, the controls are labelled in German.
The concrete pad at 18:35 was the Hetzer, and the Centurion that you see at 18:53 is the first picture that will pop up if you google Centurion Tank.
The last point I want to make is at 19:12, you pan over and talk about the Stuarts that are flanking one memorial. In the background on top of the hill you will see another memorial. That is actually the tomb for General Worthington and his wife.
I can just imagine this conversation:
Museum employee: this is the second time I’ve had to pull a kid off the Matilda this week
Museum manager: well that won’t do. Here, I have an idea, here’s a 20, run down to the store and pick us up a t55 for the kids to play in.
I feel obligated to put this here to explain the joke, t55 mass produced and cheap af.
how cheap were those tank if I may ask?
You can buy one right now for $66.7k, so cheaper than most high end sports cars.
LOL
Just finished my training there, and I loved driving by the Ram 2 and the Firefly every day! It's awesome seeing the Pak 40 and T55 driving off and into the base as well. I never did get the chance to check out the tank park and museum. I'm hoping to return there as an instructor after a few years, so hopefully I'll get time to see the tanks again! There's several SfH 18 150mm artillery pieces around various areas of the base as well.
🎶Ooooh, Canada...🎶. Thanks for the tour. As a Canadian, I've never been to the base but I'd love to make the trip. Take care and keep up the great work. Your videos are always highly informative and ever interesting. I appreciate the inclusion of our Canadian contributions.
There is also a Crab Flail tank, with battledamage at the Overloon War Museum in the Netherlands. It sustained crippeling damage at the Battle for Overloon, which was part of the armor dash for Arnhem
*_The amount of British rifles and German ones in that museum is impressive_*
Don't forget for a long time Canada used the same stuff the Brits did.
Great tour, including the model of the very controversial plane here-abouts. I'm surprised anyone without maple syrup running in their veins ever heard of a CF105. Kudos to the Chieftain for a great if quick tour.
Was it just as bad as the US F-105 Thunderchief? We have one at the National Museum of the US Air Force near Dayton, Ohio.
Avro Arrow...completely different but probably even more useless. Why develop a high speed bomber interceptor right when ICBMs are introduced, rendering the bomber threat nonexistent...?
@@budmeister The CF105 had nothing to do with an F-105 Thunderchief. The CF105, (Avro Arrow) was a delta winged interceptor far more capable than anything else in the world at the time.
@@thomrobitaille3942 Remember the HMS dreadnaught single handedly defeated the entire Royal Navy overnight... Maybe the CF105 was actually TOO good.
oh neat he went to CFB Borden,
i've walked by that tank outside the MP school so many times didnt know it was rare at all
Same here i had no idea... kind of a shame now that i know
Same here. I lived across the street from the museum
@@keitheckensviller250 racist
@@abaialsa712 how does anything I've said make me a racist? Or are you one of those people who just see a white guy in a uniform and just call them a racist? Either way you are pretty short sited.
Nice base. My father in law was posted at both Gage Town and Borden, my wife had worked at Borden during the 80's, when we visit we always try and go back to see the place although its not as busy as it used to be.
It's good to see Borden again. Did some training there and that was where my regiment picked up shells for firing at the Meaford range.
Beautiful, Thanks for the movie 😉. Greetings from the Netherlands 🇳🇱
Did a tour of this base on my Armd DP1 a few years back. Went back many times, awesome collection!
Thanks for the speed tour! I'll never be able to get from Austria to Borden, so seeing the facility in your video was great!
* the military museum in Kelowna, B.C. is small but PACKED with firearms of all origins, Penticton, B.C. town museum has a ww1 water cooled German machine gun, only 2 in the whole country; put down that phone , people, explore your nation! - thanks for the Borden tour vid-
"One that's a bit of a sore topic . . ."
Well I get the same feeling when I see TSR.2 at Cosford.
Thank you for all your work. I just got back from the American Heritage Museum made the trip because of you, absolutely loved it.
Loved the tour, I recognized many of the tanks. Have a great day.
Looked like a Japanese Type 100 SMG in one of the cases. Pretty rare. Certainly limited issue.
hilariously one of the schools has an even bigger display of weapons in their building. most of the cool stuff in borden is tucked away in the training buildings/compounds
I appreciate the Avro reference. Didn’t know any non Canadians knew what it was.
We [US] got the engineers. Then sold the Canadians F-101s and F-104s in return.
With the Iroquois engines, the numbers on the Arrow would still be up there with the best - Mach 2.5+ and incredible climb and max altitude numbers. Diefenbaker (Canadian Conservative Prime Minister) did a backroom deal with the Yanks and used the money saved to pay Quebec Dairy Farmers their payola....... Crappy Politics once again...widowmakers instead of world beaters.
Barber Shop and Clark . Did I see a Video where they found an engine and were going to bring it back to Canada ?
"The Avro Arrow holds a special place in the hearts of Canadian conspiracy theorists - it’s 'artisanal Canadian myth-making, hand-woven, fair-trade, and 100% organic'. As I said back in 2004, this is the only truly Canadian conspiracy theory (Colby Cosh calls it our 'Napoleon-hat' complex)." quotulatiousness.ca/blog/2018/08/23/lost-model-of-the-avro-arrow-found-off-prince-edward-county/
@@barbershoppodcast Agreed . People forget without the proper turbines it flew many times and flew very well. It was not a Pipe dream. It was not final proved but with normal final teething processes its potential was immense. A grave loss for my beloved country. Canadians of that generation didn't do anything that wasn't top notch.
Great collection and thanks for sharing. I've been there in 2002, under a storm of snow and -20C tempreture....
Great tour! If I may recommend, you may also want to visit the Canadian Warplane Heritage Museum in the Hamilton area. It's home of one of the only two remaining examples of the Lancaster that still fly (the other is in the U.K.). :)
My Mom worked at Montreal Locomotive Works building Grizzlys.
Aaaaaaah! You were in my backyard and I missed you! I hope you enjoyed your time here.
Looks like it is well worth a visit.
Thanks for the video.
Nice tour, thanks!
Excellent expert coverage of a large collection.
There's also the Canadian Warplane Heritage Museum in Hamilton. Its great.
Tim Fuke Montreal Aviation Museum (MAM) in, where else, Montreal
Great stuff. Thanks!
I love these videos.
Nice video thank for posting
Love these tours. If you ever get the opportunity, come on down to The Military Museums in Calgary, its excellent.
Wow neat, I didn’t know that existed. Typical of every other under-funded-do-the-best-with-what-you-got Canadian military museum sadly. Still fun to watch something in my “back yard”! Thank you for making the video! I now have one more military museum to check-out! Yay
Very nice collection.
Lovely installation
First AVGP (boats) "something missing" was a Husky it was the maint/recovery vehicle of the family, with the Grizzly being an APC and the Cougar the FSV
Haha, I noticed the tank went missing around Aldershot, awesome to know where it ended up!
Canadian Homestead Project Is Aldershot still around. Did my first trades course there in 1980.
@@bobbydouzepis8260 Sure is,
Hey, I love your channel, and I love that you have been wandering around my home town. There are a lot of great museums around here, and you mentioned the HMCS Haida, in Hamilton. You should check out the Canadian Warplane Heritage museum next time you are around here, it's home to one of two flying Lancaster bombers, among lots of other vintage training and combat aircraft. They are celebrating their 50th anniversary this year.
"Getting on to the base was easy. Wasn't even a guard post."
How safe Canada is is our little open secret from the Yanks. Well, that and the health care.
Ha Ha
The gates are actually guarded. The Lisle gate will get closed at nights, whereas the gates to Alliston and Angus are more open as people come and go from there.
Very nice collection
The Dutch Army had the M113 C&V which was very similar to the Canadian Army Lynx. The M113 C&V was a recon/command vehicle and was outfitted with a remote controlled 25mm gun.
Nice walk around!
I'm a CAF armour officer posted to Borden and am currently working at this museum for my tasking. If anyone has any questions about any of the pieces in our collection I'd be happy to answer
What ever happened to the Panther V that was across the street from the Museum circa 1974 I wonder?
@@leeenfield4900 unfortunately that was donated to the Ottawa war museum who then repainted it in a desert camo scheme. It was donated along with several other vehicles in the early 2000s by a Borden base commander who tragically had little appreciation for armour. It can still be seen in Ottawa fortunately
@@Westonatorful Ack, I wonder if that's what happened to the Hetzer, too? I did a lot of visits to WTP as a troop leader from Petawawa (8 CH and later RCD) in the 80s. 🙂
@@gungatim6630 the hetzer is currently getting restored along side the flakpanzer wirbelwind. It's held in the building just north of the museum
@@Westonatorful Ah, thanks, Jonas. 🙂
If they had a building large enough to store all of this they would have a fairly large collection.
Even if they had a strip of concrete to row them up on.
If it is all scattered about it is less of a draw for people.
15:00 Yes it is an M578, one of the vehicles used by artillery Battery's maintenance department. I was a 63Delta when I was in the Army.
Welcome to Canada!
good to see you in canada for a change
Thanks for coming to Canada. I didn't get to come out and see you in Oshawa.
Beautiful facility
I live very close to Borden and love the museum. I cant believe the cheiften is exploring my neck of the woods
That outside display area is beautiful!
I just watched this video, now I know where I'm driving to this afternoon. Thanks for the reminder! As a cadet and then a militiaman, I spent several weekends at CFB Borden, but somehow never managed to visit the museum. I'll correct that oversight today.
We took the backroads to get there, so we only had about 45 minutes to quickly run through the vehicle hall before they closed. Even so, worth the trip to Borden.
we did use 105mm l7 armed mk5s, and eventually the mk 11 as well... also theres a 105 centurion at the armour school in gagetown as im sure youve seen
Beautiful grounds.
What a nice museum. Really reminds me of the sort of thing you find in Britain. Exactly the same vibe.
Same boss too.😎
Had I KNOWN you were in BORDERN I would have said HI. I will meet you one day.
he’s a pretty cool dude, very friendly
That Husky is missing something: The obnoxious windscreen the early versions had.
Don't the LAV IIIs still have that windscreen too?
I gotta say, that I appreciate a video filmed from my perspective (I'm 6'3). It allows me the perspective I would have if i was there myself.
@6:00 That 25pr even with the Limber yet without the qaud tractor, a shame, yet awesome display.
A very nice looking museum. :-)
The Dutch built the YPR-765, built by DAF, based on the US Army's rejected XM765 development of the M113. It looks similar to but is unrelated to the Lynx. The Dutch also operated the Lynx as M113C&V, fitted with a 25mm Oerlikon cannon.
I remember our History Class field trips there. Always a good time. Bit different now though being 2 decades later.
At about 18:19 you asked if the Canadian Centurions had been up-gunned with the 105. Your escort said that he thought they had not. All the Centurions I saw in Lahr in 1975 had the L7 as their main armament (there was a mixture of over 70 Mk 5s and Mk 11s for the sabre squadrons of the RCD, a fly-over squadron, and war stocks). Centurions were still in use at CTC Gagetown in 1978 when I arrived for officer training, but the Armour Branch retired them soon after, having gone from Rent-a-Leopard to Leo C1.
Cool, I got there first in 1983, 5 years later. They don't call it phase training any more and the equivalent of the section leading stuff we did in phase 2 is something they do with the infantry and artillery, now. 🙂 Seems odd. I always thought the Centurions in Canada retained the 20 pounder, but I'm not 100% sure. I know in Petawawa when I got there in 1985 (8 CH) they had a bunch of old Centurions near the range for later use as hard targets. They definitely had 20 pdrs on them. 🙂 Oh, my first troop warrant used to drive a Centurion on the missile range in Borden and the infantry fired their missiles (not TOW, this would have been a precursor in the early 70s or late 60s) at him, LOL. With concrete heads, of course!
Please tell me the Wirbelwind will be in another video. I think it's the last one of its kind around.
I wish they would make the effort to paint the collection more accurately.
Great video and thanks for sharing it.
It's under restoration
I would recommend the museum have bicycles available to ride to and from each display, maybe a family package. You'd cover a lot more ground that way and not sound so winded from the kilometers of ground you and the director were covering between displays.
DitzyDoo I would recommend the museum centralize the displays in one area. The way it is now is totally disjointed and does not allow for any comparisons to be made. Its like, oh look theres another one behind a tree way off in the distance. Why do we do this to ourselves,
@@bobbydouzepis8260 I understand your view, but what I take from the way they've laid out the displays have a connection with the many tree speciesism's displayed on the chart in the main building that Nick thought was a vehicle chart. I think the Major General who founded it was an arborist.
I had no idea there was a public museum out in Borden. I want to go check it out now.
An oversight, no doubt... ALSO in the Hamilton area is the Canadian Warplane Heritage museum, home of ONE of two ONLY flying Lancaster bombers. And a veritable host of other historic aircraft, mostly airworthy, and some available for familiarization flights.
you forgot about CFB Kingston, it is just an hour east of CFB Trenton. The Royal Canadian Corps of Signals (RCCS) Communications and Electronics Branch Museum is there. The museum also has a display of military vehicles.
Someone hand me the Dramamine. lol -- Thanx much for the tour sir. :-)
I lived on base from 90-93 went to Alexander dunn ps, and stopping at the Worthington tank park was always a highlight of my school week, some tank you could actually get inside, not sure the MPs knew about those ones for a bit. Anyway thanks for that video memories
Thank you for this amazing tour. I actually enjoyed the walk around and not just a tank... sorry, a vehicle, cut, a vehicle.
A little town in Michigan has an M53/55 at the vfw hall. Pretty cool
You forgot about the Canadian Warplane Heritage Museum also in Hamilton. Has one of only 2 Lancasters flying and you can ride in it for like 2500$. The best part of summer in Toronto is seeing that thing and the B25 fly over almost every weekend.
CFB Moose Jaw is similar for security (at least when I worked there) there is a guard post at the entrance and I don't know if it's usually manned cause I was only ever stopped once or twice the whole time I worked in the drafting department. It's actually one of the nicer places in MooseJaw too.
FYI to anyone the airshow they hold in early July is always a cool event. Especially since the snowbirds are based there. The CF-18 demonstration is also great. They get overshadowed by the Snowbirds but IMO they put on a great show too.
>walking on the grass
You're lucky the MP students didn't "pull you over!" Happened to me walking back from Tim Horton's once. Good times in Borden.
You should do a tour of the Fort Lewis Museum in Tacoma, they have an interesting collection of armored vehicles.
That place is amazing. I could spend days there
You get to do so many awesome things!!!! I hope I get to do lots of awesome things ^_^