Is the 2023 Honda Civic Si a BETTER sport sedan than a Kia Forte GT?
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- The Civic Si has always been Honda's value priced sport compact car. On the outside you will find a 18 in wheels, dual exhaust, LED headlights and black accents. On the inside will be greeted by cloth sport seats, 9in infotainment system, and seating for 5. Under the hood is a 1.5L turbocharged inline-4 that produces 200HP & is mated to a 6-speed manual gearbox. Is the 2023 Honda Civic Si a BETTER sport sedan than a Kia Forte GT?
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I have been a Honda Owner for over 25 years, but my new Kia Forte GT line is an amazing car. I saved over 10k because Kia was willing to negotiate.
I actually cross shopped the Civic Si and Forte GT, and I ended up with the Kia. Even without the markup, the Honda was more expensive for less content. I agree that the Si drives better, but the Forte is close enough while also having features that are a must-have for me. Largely, I did not want a cloth interior because I have a dog and you can never get all of the fur off of cloth seats. I also really wanted ventilated seats because I drive long distances and hate getting back sweat in the summer. The cherry on top for the Forte GT was a much more prominent exhaust sound; it makes it clear that it's not just a regular Forte without going too far into boy-racer territory.
@@Bareknuckles182 I’m not a car person but I have seen a lot of people like the new kia.
@@Bareknuckles182ot true dude I've own civic and Kia and never had any problem with the Kia , and I sold my civic to buy me another Kia because civic are freaking overpriced don't talk shit when you haven't even owned a Kia at least form 2019 they have improved a lot and you get a more complete car for the price , if you want to buy a civic right now with the same stuff that the Kia Forte GT2 has the MSRP it's 31k not 28 like he says in the video that's just for the base one , it's 5 k more expensive than the Kia , and the warranty it's a big factor too 10 years or 100 thousand miles for engine and transmission for the Kia
@@Bareknuckles182Veloster isn't Kia dude it's from Hyundai
@@Bareknuckles182and it's not all over TH-cam 😂😂 how old are you ? 10 ?
I'm with you man ! I just bought a 2023 Kia Forte GT2 Turbo and it's fucking awesome 😎👍 and I also have a 2023 Kia K5 GT and it's 🔥🔥🔥
I love my 2020 SI coupe. It's a great daily driver and a fun ride. Congrats on your CTR Joe!
WOW Joe, This is the car I just bought at team Honda 2 weeks ago!!!! I can't believe Your vid is on the car I just got! Same color and everything, this video just hyped me up to get it, have to wait a month for it to come in but when it does I'll be over the moon!!!!
Love the color and sporty look. I’m sure it will be fun to drive with the manual..worth the price
SGP was the color I was hoping to get when I was initially looking for my Si. Couldn't find it, but found a Black for basically MSRP when everyone else was parking them up 5k so I took it. Now I've got a FL5 in SGP coming in, so I guess all things work out in the end!
Was at a Honda dealer today that had a blue Si. But they wanted $36k . Smh
@ThatDudeJessie Yeah, that's ridiculous. The markup on my FL5 was 5k but after calling 50+ dealers and seeing a minimum of 8k from ONE, and 10-15+ from all the others I decided to just grab it.
Love the Honda SI and the Hyundai Elantra N. Both come in a 6-speed manual and with a turbo . The problem is that it is difficult to find one locally to test drive and compare. And then there are the markups S.H Honda dealership are putting on top of msrp. I watched a prior video on Elantra N, and now this video. Both reviews are great, and making the decision a more difficult choice. Thank you for sharing
Easy way to get around the mark up is to custom order. And go to different dealerships until one of them concedes.
I have a 2023 Forte GT and Love it. The only thing missing is a limited slip diff.
It’s definitely missing a Limited Slip
I own a 2022 Manual Forte GT .. It ALWAYS wheel hops , from off the line ..
Don’t know why Kia didn’t implement this
I have a 22 GT2 DCT and love it as well. LSD is missing, but still feature packed enough for me to choose over the Civic for less $.
@Juan Suarez We also walked away with a 10 Year 100K Mile warranty’s
Walked off the lot only spending 27K .. These Forte GT manuals are amazing for the cost vs luxury vs performance .. We have a quiet of bit more technology vs the SI
@@fortifiedgt2754 I agree
If you’re looking for stuff over driving enjoyment resulting from great dynamics, Kia’s the right choice.
Just bought a ‘22 Canadian spec Civic Si today that I came across already in the states! Loving it & plenty of creature comforts 😎
@Juan Suarez that’s not actually the rule. It’s more complicated than that.
The Canadian Car and the USA car are the same vehicle so it already conforms to our regulations.
The actual tricky part is financing a new one as an American. An American bank won’t wanna deal with a Canadian dealer, and a Canadian bank won’t do business with an American who’s going to register a car in a different country.
I picked up my 2023 Civic Si a couple of weeks ago. A huge thank you for your multiple great reviews on the 2022 Si. It is an all around perfect enthusiast daily driver car.
That is so awesome Jason! Congrats man!
Heck yeah, enjoy it!
Im hours a way from paying $33,500 for Mazda 3 premium hatch out the door....and i might see if a honda rep wants to take the deal away dfor a Civic SI or Civic Touring...man the Mazda is so badass though...
Hello Joe, i watched your videos non stop and ending up getting one of these. You are super cool!
That is so wonderful! Thank you for being super supportive!
@@RaitisRides one of the best car reviewers. Joe can sell water to a whale
Hi Lori and Joe. Thank you for another great car review. I purchased a used 2019 SI early in 2022 and love the car. But for future reference, and possibly wanting to get an 11th Gen SI at some point, how do you feel about the SI now as compared to the first set of reviews of the car?
Don't do it , sucks
I love your enthusiasm about the car World 🌎 Keep up the good Work Florida man
As a happy owner of a 2023 Kia Forte GT (MT), I have to say that I'm digging the look of the Honda Civic Si. It does look sporty.
My everyday sedan!! Amazing review Joe.
You would love this one Jeremiah!
Man I really like your videos, it's interesting to know more about the car market in the United States, I'm from Brazil.
That is so cool! I am so glad that I can share it with you!
The 11th gen Civic looks good all over. The Sonic Grey is tasteful and the interior with the red trim is a nice touch. The US models should have fog lights standard across all trim levels and there should be connectivity for the rear seat passengers. Thanks Steven for your camera work and Joe thank you for the review 👍👍
@Juan Suarez i totally agree all those features are for pussies. I love my 22 Civic Si, real sports car, no extra shit just what i need at the track.
I like that color
Pay cheap price type r good up price so we maybe wait in tell think something I tell you later but type r cheap let just make si or le
I love it Joe and Lori and keep up the great work real true and I love the video 👍 💯💯💯💯
The sand paper joke for the center arm rest made me laugh out loud in public, thanks Joe 😂
Yeah I think the Kia Forte GT with the GT2 package better for my option I appreciate the review though it helped me make my decision. 👍
Love your videos! Can you please do a video of your car collection ?
Once again Mr Raitis,
You present this vehicles
stats and capabilities
succinctly and honostly!
L♡VE that you address amenities
vs price-point [the latter being more crucial in my estimation]
You are the best @ how you specify vehicle model trims
so thoroughly! 🚘
🇺🇸 *My brother once owned a RED Civic Si* !! *Super FUN and sporty car* !! *Honda has been building very popular cars since the 1970's* !! *Not sure it's really a comparison vehicle to such a new brand as Kia(In the USA in 1992)* !! *FAB video Joe and Steven* !! #RaitisRides 🇺🇸
The idea is to push customers towards the Integra for the upgraded amenities, although you need the top-of-the-line trim to even get a manual. But you do get the fog lights, adaptive dampers, heated seats, dual climate control, leather, hatchback, full exterior LEDs, better sound system, and more.
It worked with me! 23 Integra 6MT-with adaptive suspension, been USING the heated seats for first 10 minutes at 35F (SF Bay Area snow!), sound is great, fog lamps helped in heavy rain, hatch is great, etc. Most of the 0-60 diff with Si is Summer tires vs All Season. Great ride and still fun on "twisty bits". When tires are in need of replacement I' go with higher performance all weather. Also got for 35,300 when Si was still going for 35K
I went 2023 Kia Forte GT2 Turbo at 30k out the door 🚪 🎉
Love your videos
You got the best job in the world brother. Another great review. The type R is the way to go but that price point is killing it. This is the way to go for regular joes
When the first model year of the 11th Gen. Si came out, I was looking for it all over the place, basically ignoring all other options. I wanted a 6-speed and just fixated into an Si. Then, I stumbled upon a VW GLI Autobahn and that’s what I ended up getting. So many more features in a package that’s comparable to this Si: DCC, heated and ventilated leather seats, more horsepower, bigger sunroof, etc. And I got it in the pure grey color. Still, this Si is great to look at and I’m sure it’s great to drive
and the GLI is twice as fast while getting the same mpg
How much is the price of gli?
Funny I drove the GTI but felt the Si was more pure fun. The GTI was definitely a close 2nd.
@@wesgreen2812 twice as fast ? I’d love to hear your explanation on that.
@@wesgreen2812I’ll smoke your Jetta with a Tune on my SI
This car is probably my favorite entry level sport sedan. Decent power, a fun drive, a decent amount of features, and most importantly, the same practicality as a normal Civic, so you won’t sacrifice the daily livability. And the price is really good in my opinion, you can get this for the same price as a Camry SE (if you can get around dealer mark ups). About the all season tire issue, I’m the outlier and I actually prefer the all seasons. In North Carolina, the weather can get pretty nasty so even though you are sacrificing the handling slightly, you won’t have to worry about bad weather which makes it more practical. I wish it would be a no or lower cost option so the customer could choose. But if I was to get a new car, this would probably be at the top of the list.
i wouldn't be so worried about poor weather handling in this car since it has a limited slip differential. i saw a video of a guy who takes his Integra through snowy mountains with all season tires, and it performs exceptionally!
Perfect timing. I pic up my Canadian spec si Monday at 4. White pearl
Congrats! Good choice.
@bill4632 thanks Bill. Should be a good little commuter.
As always a comprehensive upbeat review. Regarding fog lights I hear ya, something looks like it's missing without them. Fogs look nice and offer additional light when needed. The current generation Lexus ES350 no longer offers fog lights either, obviously another way auto manufacturers continue to cost-cut.
Very good point!
This kind of cost cutting is not acceptable. When the intensity of fog is to such as extend that you cant figure out what's ahead of your car's front bumper. Its the fog lights that is required at that point.
@Juan Suarez "Their job is to help you find the lines on the road" you say. Then how would you expect to find those lines without those fog lamps?
When you have fog up to your front bumper, the light thrown by the main headlamp doesn't help. It actually makes driving worse, as the thick fog only acts like a mirror the more light thrown on it by main headlamp, the more you get blinded. Switch off the damn headlamp and just run on fog lamps allows you to " find the lines on the road".
@@RaitisRides I like the color
I got one of these and love it put around 1250 miles on it and its such a fun daily driver
That stick shift punch line lmao I can't
I love this gray and the Civic is a beautiful car loving the Forte that's another beautiful subcompact car the Forte is a great car the Civic is much fun to drive both cars are great believe Civic might run longer.
Ya I drove both and as long as you don't plan on keeping your car past 4 to 5 years get the Forte GT and same a lot of money but get more car.
@Juan Suarez I wouldn't call full leather interior with heated and cooled seats gimmick tech. But I get what you mean.
The shape has always been fine and I can definitely understand people who didn’t like it at first cause I’m like that at times with some cars. I’m completely fine with no fog lamps so that’s not a zonk in my book and that color is so lovely.
I live in Phx now, and its not, but I lived 40 yrs in Maryland area & I have to say, no fog lights is a huge zonk! We used to get wild fluctuations in temps & humidity. Some days could not see much more than 10ft w/o fog lamps kicked on
I just ordered mine today really excited for my first new car
The infotainment being upright I believe is to reduce glare and improve overall visibility.. as opposed to something that is slanted which nobody would ever do with their hand held device or TV, etc..
I think that's the intent.
I just got this '23 si in platinum pearl.. I am happy with its ride, performance, looks, gas mileage, windows tinted, overall it's gunna fit the bill..
I'd say getting to 60 in 6 seconds is difficult..
I really want one of these joe!
Awesome video Joe!! The Si is a great car for sure!! I am a fan!! Keep up the phenomenal content Joe and thanks for another great video!! 🚙👍🏼
Love the color Joe. The SI is a good sweet spot in my opinion if u don't want to pay top dollar for a Type R. Can't wait for the 2023 Honda Pilot media event! I saw my first one on the road today in the flesh!
No way,that’s awesome.
That is awesome Chris! The Pilot goes live on Tuesday.
@@Blackwing668 They are coming for sure!
@@RaitisRides Great! I'm sure it's in the morning!
@Redeye Who Dominates The Drag Strip Yeah bro, it looked pretty cool in green going down the road.
Joe i was wondering, does anyone delete that fake exhaust noise from the speakers
For me, this would be the perfect car, with one exception.... it would have have been nice if Honda would have offered a power driver's seat to be able to get the proper "H' point in order to relieve lower back pain. It may seem small, but for someone with lower back problems, not having that feature is a deal killer for me.😒 Great review, Joe!
I have back issues and I was worried about the same thing before buying my '23 Si. But now I gotta say that the seats are probably one of the best things I like about the Si! Even if I could adjust the lumbar position, I'd likely keep it right where it's at. I just wish it came with 25 - 30 more hp.
used to have an 88 accord, it was a solid craigslist beater but so fun drive! it was tight and a joy to drive w/the moonroof open although it was sloooooow. wonder if this new civic would give the same "experience" to fulfill my midlife crisis lol? under 30k, not bad at all. the amenities are not that big of a deal... just the 6 speed, moonroof, and that tight driving feel is what matters to me.
I waited over a year to get my 2022 Civic Si in Blazing Orange Pearl in Oct. 2022 at a reasonable price here in CA. It was to "replace" my 8th Gen. 2007 Civic Si with 266K, not a chance, I still love this car too, it's a keeper, fun to drive. The 2023 is the same exact car as the 2022 Civic Si, just call it a 2023. I absolutely love the car it was worth the wait for me in my opinion. My zonk would be the trunk light I saw the same one in this video. I have no clue why Honda skimped again with an incandescent instead of an LED like the rest of the cabin lights. First thing I changed with a Lasfit LED, much better can actually see in the trunk at night.
LED.. . There is nothing wrong with incandescent, its cheaper to replace and also to meet at a price point.
@@alvinsimba734 right 👍 it's a personal preference for me. $10 bulb 💡😃 makes no sense though the rest of the interior lights are LED...
Man I love driving the 2022 Civic Si. One of the most fun cars on the road.
That is so wonderful Ian! Congrats!
@@RaitisRidesIt also helps that it is a Canadian model.
Been looking so hard to find one at msrp and just can’t in Washington state and with the Kia forte gt there’s zero around with a manual transmission are there any other cars around that price range that you would recommend
I like the color on the car and great review. I am still probably going with Kia Forte GT since it has an available DCT transmission
Class action lawsuit on the DCTs, I’d avoid any Kia
Good stuff!!!
Thanks man!
Sport injected as what si stands for and you get it in this. Honda knows how to make a fun manual that handles so well
okay toyota fanboy. Whatever you say
@@darkivaz-aaa1145 I don’t own one or drive buddy. Nice try. Is what you do for a living? Harassing people for an opinion you lowlife? Get a job do something with your life. I’m sorry my opinion doesn’t satisfy your ego
@@mattmekhaeil Yes you do. You said you've own a toyota. Stop the lying. And also all you is d11ck ride car reviewers on youtube who don't even know or gad about you, talking without your turn on random people's comments and argue with non toyota fanboys who states their opinions with valid source. It's time for you to get out of your basement and go yourself a girl matt. I know, the world is cruel, but you gotta be a man to deal with hard times kid.
Great review Joe. You have driven the si and integra. What do you prefer?
I own a Canadian 2022 Civic Si and have driven the new Integra multiple times. It’s definitely nicer experience ie sound system, quieter, has the hatch and lots of additional features. It’s also more money. I’m happy with my Si but if money was not a factor I would prefer the Integra. BTW even the horn is better in the Integra.
I ended up with a 2020 Si. My first new new car ever and am very happy with it. These newer ones are a bit muted for my taste. The fog light thing difference between us and Canada is silly. Same as not getting a heated stearing wheel in my year car. I am in Tampa multiple times a year. I will have to stop in some time. As far as stock tires go, I wouldn't even recommend either. Ask for Michelin Cross Climate 2's and enjoy your life.
@SiSePuede_Juan I went from the summer tires to these and the Performance doesn't even compare. Also my Si is a commuter. I like how driving in the rain feels like dry road and hitting a puddle at speed doesn't jerk the wheel.
Thank you for you A+ video. I wish if they make Si hatchback. I am hatchback and station wagon person.When do u think they will bring civic hatchback hybrid?
what’s the difference between this si & last year’s si? any upgrades?
Dope ass car definitely trading my 2016 mx-5 for a 2020 + civic si in the summer , had my fun but now i need a reliable car and fun car at the same time and be able to keep it for years
Went with the 23 Forte GT 6speed last summer. Overall I was a little more impressed with the GT over the Si after driving and taking a deep dive on both vehicles.
I did the same I checked the Honda dealership first with the Honda Civic SI and I was adding everything the Kia Forte GT2 has, almost everything because there's a couple of things the Honda Civic SI can't upgrade because they don't have it and out the door it was going to be 36k 😢🫰💰 so the better option for the money it's the 2023 Kia Forte GT2 plus the warranty 10 years or 100 thousand miles can't beat that !! 🎉🎉🎉 And it cost me 30k outta the dealership
@@maoinc13there are no options on the Si other than mats, color, etc.
I have 5k miles on my 22 si now and honestly I love it. Throw a tune on it if you want more power otherwise it's a perfect daily/weekend warrior. But I will be trading it in for the type r lol can't help it. It's just finding one with no markup. Also the black fabric on the arm rest can get kinda nasty lol
Glad there's still SI Civics, in Philippines, I saw only RS Turbo, that's the Southeast Asian Market equivalent of SI according to owners and some Honda Sales Consultant I talked to.
I have the 2022 honda for about a year now and I gotta tell you it's a good daily driver so much mpg. When it comes to speed it has potential but it also has it's limits so be aware. overall it's a fun car to drive.
Thanks for sharing that great ownership experience.
Now is the miles per gallon and horsepower with the recommended premium gas? What are the figures on regular gas?
Rear deck needs to be longer so the proportions look more balanced.
It has some zonks but it is a great car. Fun to drive and very practical.
This grey is really nice in person. Always have to check out my neighbors when I pass by 😂
Yes and mine! I love it!
I went over to the Honda site to see if you could spec a "base" Civic with a manual, thinking that the premium that you pay for 20 extra horsepower and a few "Si" badges wouldn't be worth it if you could get a "regular" civic with a stick. But you can't--CVT only. Happy to see Joe offer up a solid driving impression/comparison/pick between the Forte GT and the Si. PS I agree with Yuri over at Straight Pipes when he says that gloss black wheels don't look good unless you have tire shine on your rubber. Plus, they get scratched up and the ones in my neighborhood anyway look terrible 90% of the time.
It's a shame. You can get the base (Sport) hatchback Civic with a manual. But try finding one...
@Juan Suarez Thanks for the info...will definitely check out the other videos you suggested!
Thanks!
That really means the world!
Another great video! By raitis rides. Thank you soo much for doing these very entertaining videos that are very helpful at the same time.
@Shawnfahey7243--Helpful ??
The guy does his homework, never missed a beat
I have the si i bought the Honda data tune for it and it makes 254 hp/tq now I love it so much fun of a car
Awesome reviews! Please get the 2023 mitsubishi outlander phev.
Great review. Love the car. If only they offered it in Lunar Silver.
17:11 “maybe get some Cubans, mmm, Cuban sandwiches” 😂 this dude is too funny lmao
Pretty neat car. Anything with a manual is cool beans today.
I would love to know what you would choose 2023 Honda Civic Si or 2023 Subaru BRZ (Toyota 86)? Love the video. The Si is a great car for a good price. I am hoping to find one in my area to test drive. Great job as usual.
Good for when you’re backing up at your local cars and coffee haha!
Can you do a video on all your cars/a garage tour?
I like the Si it’s like my dream car when I was a kid. But I’m still debating whether to get Si or saved a little more for the type R. The price of Type R here in California is almost doubled the Si.
get the Type R
Cool color and a nice vehicle overall. Why has Honda eliminated the engine temperature gauge in the instrument cluster? How cheap can you get?
My first car I bought with my own money was a 2012 Civic si. I miss that car.
Dude..love your enthusiasm. "A chirping tire is a happy tire" 🤣 think you sold me 🙂
I’ve got one and love it. EXCEPT….My personal zonks: no temperature gauge and no spare tire. I’ll be fixing those issues soon.
Every Honda has the same profile.
Don’t bust any cream on the interior. Classic!!!!
Folks just get yourself a 2022 model and save some money. Not worth the 2023 SI, not to mentioned everything is practically the same AND Honda failed again to bring all the things the Canadian model has like dual climate control, fully digital speedometer and tachometer, fog lights etc. Just disappointing to see them repeat what they did to the US consumers again for the 2023 model and I was a sucker that bought the 2022 US model hoping they'd change for the 2023 to trade it in but nope.. def gonna look for something else now.
@RaitisRides
Just a quick question. Currently looking for a new Daily drive car and I narrowed down my list to 2023 Civic Si, 2023 GR86, 2023 WRX. If you were to pick, which one you would go for?
Might want to consider watching savage geese recent video on the WRX. Surprised they talked good things about it
Just got a Gt manual in steel grey it's nice and quick, $26k. Lifetime warranty
Joe great video, with all the high end cars you review its nice to see you give the Civic Si so much love!!!! and i totally agree, "A chirping tire is a happy tire"!!!!!!!!
@Michaelsalice9952-- I don't agree that a chirping tire is a happy tire. What a ridiculous and irresponsible statement when driving a new car that does'nt belong to him. His "on throttle" remarks are old and stale. I can't understand the Honda dealership letting this guy abuse a car like that and then turn around and sell this car as "new".
It should definitely be sold as "USED" after Raiti gets through with it. Think about it. An unsuspecting new car buyer , buying a used and abused car. Thanks to Raiti. There ought to be a law against this practice. I believe some laws are already being drafted. I for one am very happy about that .
It's disappointing the options we don't get here just to push the Integra in the bigger U.S. market but what's outrageous are the dealer markups. I'm seeing some of these used going for $33-36,000.
I love that sonic gray with the flat black. And NO WAY would I choose Kia over a Honda and it’s reputation for reliability and performance
When is the Honda Accord 2023 full review coming?
I think next month since everyone is doing Honda Pilot test drives right now in Sedona. I checked with my dealer and they have 2 on the way and the honda instagram page already said theyre ready for purchase.
Looks great. But I can hear the rev hang. They need to tune that out. I would rather see vynil for center arm rests and door arm rests over cloth.
Hi Joe man crack me up😂😂😂. You just funny.
Thanks for letting me share the cars and the laughs with you!
SI is good for MSRP anything over isn’t worth it
I would have to agree with you Ryan!
HONDA Civic SI is overpriced !!!! It's 28k the " base " model if you want it loaded you gonna have to pay 31 k for this car plus whatever extra money the dealership is going to charge you at least another 4k so you looking around 35k for this car isn't worth it
Thank god it's manual
The si has always been a manual. You can get a manual on civic if you don’t want the si
Tell me about it!
@@mattmekhaeil Very good point as usual Matt.
@@mattmekhaeil yeah I'm glad they kept it like that and didn't switch fully to an automatic
@@aidanmcpherson5018 a manual is an enthusiast car. If they made them all automatics I don’t think they will sell well especially if the si converted to one
Si looks fantastic, I wish the regular sedans came with the manual without having to go hatch.
I picked up a ‘22 Si in April of 2021. Everything stated here seems pretty spot on. The driving dynamics are amazing, and it feels faster than it is; it is NOT fast. Seems like the ‘23 Si is literally the same as the ‘22. I wish the exhaust / induction noise was louder naturally. I’m happy with my car and highly recommend it, especially if you need good fuel economy.
I remember a time when 6.0 to sixty was considered fast. I mean a 94 viper did 4.0. 6 is pretty good for under 30K car and it seats 4 people. The WRX is prob low 5s. So both are great choices in my eyes. The type R while it looks good I can’t justify the extra $15K
some dealers are pricing these at like 40k not worth it for a 1.5 engine that blows up so fast.
😂. This review.... Peak Joe Raiti humor szn
I am so glad that I could share it with you!
I forgot this car has fake engine sounds. I unplugged the module the first time I heard them.
I'm picking up 24 of one of these this week here in vancouver 😊
What’s the difference from the 22 and 23?
I had this car in the sedan version. Not the SI though. Then i got the touring sport hatchback. I liked the hatch design better.