awesome! you, sir, are a fisherman's money saver. one of conclusions: need more thick lines tested :) it's interesting indeed whether there is really a correlation between line diameter and tensile strength. yes one can kinda try to guess it, but realistically, there's currently too little data in the thick line department for solid statistics.
Yes I agree, but based on the current dataset I am seeing a trend, however there is probably not enough data to draw any solid conclusions. Worth flagging though IMHO.
@@thelinelaboratory by the way, when collecting more data for thicker lines, testing those which were already tested in thinner versions is of a particular interest: this will be a direct comparison with as many variables eliminated as possible. we can (hopefully) assume that even the material will be the same, and if tests show a considerable decrease of tensile strength when the diameter is increased and the brand and name (model) of the line stay the same, then it will tell us that this effect comes not from the material itself, but from something else (for example, thickness of the thinnest strand in a multi-strand line).
in other words, it will allow us to draw a solid conclusion that the strength of the line does not increase proportionally to the area of its cross-section, and continuously increasing line thickness, all other parameters being equal, gives diminishing returns. it sounds kinda intuitive now that I've put it this way, but IMO this would be a very interesting point to prove correct or wrong with some actual testing.
and there will be practical value in this too! if we find, on a decent quantity of different lines, how (approximately) tensile strength depends on the diameter of the line, and if this dependency stays more or less consistent across different lines, then it will allow us to predict, with some (likely sufficient for practice) accuracy the breaking force and probably other parameters of lines that haven't yet been tested on the machine, if we know the breaking force of a specimen with a different diameter.
Im super appreciative to see this video so soon after sending it in. A little disappointed but im glad i didnt pay anywhere near full price with the xmas sales. I was discussing other results with some mates and also noticed that tensile strength trend in the larger pe sizes as we are both setting up pe6 rods. Ill just have to convince him to go another brand to get sent in to compare 😂
hey I'm using a PE #6 too, it's Daiwa J-Braid x8. seems good, but obviously I haven't tested it with a dynamometer (yet: I have a suitable dynamometer but I would need to build a testing rig and I don't yet have a sufficient motivation for it). what lines are you guys using there?
@@s_s-g4d I've just put this ygk fulldrag on because I got it for the same price as the saltiga durasensor over Xmas. But we have been looking at the varivas casting and tasline options
Will you be able to test the JDB 8x DNA PE Braid ?? Its is highly rated by people who surfcast from shore catching monster sharks and monster stingrays of hundreds of lb. They swear by it for their strength and high abrasion resistance.
Nice test, but disappointing line. Regarding the line diameter /tensile strength trend, I 've noticed that a while ago when scrolling through the test results. Since tensile strength should be a material property my guess is that it might be due to not precise enough measurements for the thiner lines thus resulting in some rounding errors. Another possible explanation could be that the single filaments are packed more thight in thinner lines due to geometry. I would be interesting to know what exactly causes this phenomenon
well there's a catch. here it's the interwoven line that is tested and not the material itself. therefore the measured tensile strength is that of the _combination_ of the material and all the variables related to how the final line is made: thickness of individual strands, number of strands, the way they are arranged etc. that's where the diameter of the line comes into play: what's good for a thin line is not necessarily equally good for a thick one.
In my opinion YGK is overrated by many anglers. After seeing the results from these YGK line tests it confirms my thoughts on the brand overall. Expensive whilst performing not so great compared to other cheaper options out there.
@@danielwutfisho I wonder what's king for heavier stuff. for example, I'm now into lipless jerkbaits for pike fishing with lures such as the buster jerk, i.e. typically measuring 15-17 cm and 70-100 g. these require strong lines for two reasons: a) prevention of launching the lures into the orbit on reel overruns; b) straightening out hooks or unwrapping the split rings on snags. I'm now using Daiwa J-Braid x8 (_not_ Grand or whatever, just plain j-braid) PE #6. it seems to be decently strong and overall what you'd expect of a good line otherwise, except that the paint comes off too easily and there's too much of it. so I'm wondering if it's actually good enough compared to others or maybe there's something considerably better. would love to see more test results of lines in this category. unfortunately (or otherwise) most interest and attention is concentrated in the finesse department these days, which makes it harder to make an informed choice for a thicker line.
@@danielwutfisho I’ve tried the YGK O Shangrilla PE0.6 as finnesse line. I won’t deny its performance and quality but $65AUD for 100m is overpriced. Plenty of other options to choose from that performs the same if not better. Varivas 8 for example and you can get 300m spool for like $35 from Japan
awesome!
you, sir, are a fisherman's money saver.
one of conclusions: need more thick lines tested :)
it's interesting indeed whether there is really a correlation between line diameter and tensile strength. yes one can kinda try to guess it, but realistically, there's currently too little data in the thick line department for solid statistics.
Yes I agree, but based on the current dataset I am seeing a trend, however there is probably not enough data to draw any solid conclusions. Worth flagging though IMHO.
@@thelinelaboratory by the way, when collecting more data for thicker lines, testing those which were already tested in thinner versions is of a particular interest: this will be a direct comparison with as many variables eliminated as possible. we can (hopefully) assume that even the material will be the same, and if tests show a considerable decrease of tensile strength when the diameter is increased and the brand and name (model) of the line stay the same, then it will tell us that this effect comes not from the material itself, but from something else (for example, thickness of the thinnest strand in a multi-strand line).
in other words, it will allow us to draw a solid conclusion that the strength of the line does not increase proportionally to the area of its cross-section, and continuously increasing line thickness, all other parameters being equal, gives diminishing returns.
it sounds kinda intuitive now that I've put it this way, but IMO this would be a very interesting point to prove correct or wrong with some actual testing.
and there will be practical value in this too!
if we find, on a decent quantity of different lines, how (approximately) tensile strength depends on the diameter of the line, and if this dependency stays more or less consistent across different lines, then it will allow us to predict, with some (likely sufficient for practice) accuracy the breaking force and probably other parameters of lines that haven't yet been tested on the machine, if we know the breaking force of a specimen with a different diameter.
I would like to see two common lines tested, the Spiderwire smooth and BERKLEY whiplash
Keep them coming love this channel
Very interesting. Maybe we need think about that. Thanks
Im super appreciative to see this video so soon after sending it in. A little disappointed but im glad i didnt pay anywhere near full price with the xmas sales. I was discussing other results with some mates and also noticed that tensile strength trend in the larger pe sizes as we are both setting up pe6 rods. Ill just have to convince him to go another brand to get sent in to compare 😂
Cheers for the support 👌
hey I'm using a PE #6 too, it's Daiwa J-Braid x8. seems good, but obviously I haven't tested it with a dynamometer (yet: I have a suitable dynamometer but I would need to build a testing rig and I don't yet have a sufficient motivation for it).
what lines are you guys using there?
@@s_s-g4d I've just put this ygk fulldrag on because I got it for the same price as the saltiga durasensor over Xmas. But we have been looking at the varivas casting and tasline options
Could you test the SC knot. Supposed to be a super easy alternative to the FG, which still being just as strong
Will you be able to test the JDB 8x DNA PE Braid ?? Its is highly rated by people who surfcast from shore catching monster sharks and monster stingrays of hundreds of lb. They swear by it for their strength and high abrasion resistance.
If we can get a sample yes absolutely
Nice test, but disappointing line. Regarding the line diameter /tensile strength trend, I 've noticed that a while ago when scrolling through the test results. Since tensile strength should be a material property my guess is that it might be due to not precise enough measurements for the thiner lines thus resulting in some rounding errors. Another possible explanation could be that the single filaments are packed more thight in thinner lines due to geometry. I would be interesting to know what exactly causes this phenomenon
well there's a catch.
here it's the interwoven line that is tested and not the material itself.
therefore the measured tensile strength is that of the _combination_ of the material and all the variables related to how the final line is made: thickness of individual strands, number of strands, the way they are arranged etc.
that's where the diameter of the line comes into play: what's good for a thin line is not necessarily equally good for a thick one.
In my opinion YGK is overrated by many anglers. After seeing the results from these YGK line tests it confirms my thoughts on the brand overall. Expensive whilst performing not so great compared to other cheaper options out there.
some are actually quite good, well above average, such as the Upgrade X8 series.
Absolutely agree with yrs comment. Disappointment is YGK Bornrush….maybe contra fact…..
For the finesse stuff, YGK is surely king. But overall Varivas is just a brand you can trust and use without faults.
@@danielwutfisho I wonder what's king for heavier stuff.
for example, I'm now into lipless jerkbaits for pike fishing with lures such as the buster jerk, i.e. typically measuring 15-17 cm and 70-100 g.
these require strong lines for two reasons: a) prevention of launching the lures into the orbit on reel overruns; b) straightening out hooks or unwrapping the split rings on snags.
I'm now using Daiwa J-Braid x8 (_not_ Grand or whatever, just plain j-braid) PE #6. it seems to be decently strong and overall what you'd expect of a good line otherwise, except that the paint comes off too easily and there's too much of it.
so I'm wondering if it's actually good enough compared to others or maybe there's something considerably better. would love to see more test results of lines in this category.
unfortunately (or otherwise) most interest and attention is concentrated in the finesse department these days, which makes it harder to make an informed choice for a thicker line.
@@danielwutfisho I’ve tried the YGK O Shangrilla PE0.6 as finnesse line. I won’t deny its performance and quality but $65AUD for 100m is overpriced. Plenty of other options to choose from that performs the same if not better. Varivas 8 for example and you can get 300m spool for like $35 from Japan
In my opinion it's too expensive, not worth the price