Which faction would you like the next DEEP DIVE to be of? Minor addendums: Firestorm only has a 1" blast NOT 2". And at the end I am saying Fate Discipline when I mean TEMPYRIC Discipline. Literally no idea where I got fate discipline from. I'll stay off the pipe next time, sorry! Consider supporting me for more frivolous content: www.patreon.com/GlassHalfDead Kill Team Player Locator: padlet.com/DiggaAl/KillTeamPlayerLocator Jump into my Discord for Kill Team chat: discord.gg/2fX26B9HS5 And check out my 40k channel that I SOMETIMES post on, primarily to call people crumpets: th-cam.com/channels/VmdZksO_AUKVv1FAkdQF4g.html
Blooded, pathfinders or Hunter Clade trying to build all three of these teams and as someone totally new to Warhammer and kill team this is the kind of video I was looking for.
Would love to see a gellerpox infected deep dive. While not as complicated on their roster, I would love to hear how managing all their different models and melee focused play style can be done best
A niche tip for Tzaangors and the Savage Herd strategic ploy It happens to be very annoying for any fellgors you fight because their ability to not die unless crit gets basically tossed in the trash and it becomes a whole new match
Perfect timing, taking my Warp Coven to our RTT tmrw. It was between that and Chaos Daemons (I like an uphill battle) and this is the anti-pep talk I needed before the day. 😂 Love ya Glass.
Great video Glass! Just wanted to mention on the 'no defenses' thing, they do all have 5++ saves and the Rubrics save on a 2+ Vs anything that does Bolter damage or less
I love a faction deep dive. Really enjoyed it however, I'm now planning to do Warp Coven again which I don't need to do has I already have a backlog of grey🤣
I've been playing them on the regular since they came out. Lovely team, very rewarding when your schemes pan out. What might be understated here is the importance of Ephemeral instability. In the first two turns it's a near auto cast. It messes with opponent's plans and also just annoys in a way that increases the mental load on your opponent. I've actually had quite some use from the healing spell and fluxblast is just great, making Tempyric the discipline you could consider doubling up on.
Agreed. The healing is also very helpful with 3 of the 4 tac ops that make sense to take for warpcoven: Secure center line, Central control and escort operative. You need to keep stuff alive! Getting 2d3 heal every turn, can make or break your tac ops.
Thanks a lot for this beginner guide. Could you also do a more advanced guide? I miss advanced guides for most of the teams but I especially like the Warpcoven.
Great video, love all the info here. I’d been thinking of an Inquisitorial Warp Coven proxy team (who among us has not?), but your idea for some Wraithguards led by a few Eldar psykers is absolutely rad. Wish I had time to whip that conversion project up before LVO!
Ghd you legend! Warpcoven is my main team I’ve just painted a full roster and really needed this thank you so much sir, digital high five on its way to you now
I've been interested in the faction for a while now but always found it too intimidating (also didn't feel like painting Tzaangors...). Your video just gave me the push to go for it. Thanks for that and looking forward to more faction deep dives!
Great video Glass, ty ! :) I might add that your jumping back in forward really got better recently! It still came up a few times though. Like when you talked about the different loadouts for open and itd before the listeners had any idea what loadouts were possible. Or when you started talking about noon, then suddenly said “it’s all about the rubric command ability” out of nowhere and then picked up the boon topic again. I know my way around Warpcoven so it wasn’t too bad for me, but a real faction beginner might find that hard to follow. But again: big improvement compared to earlier videos 😊 Keep it up!
Really great content! Would like the have sone more deepdives. Never considered a full rubric team for Warpcoven tbh. Always thought that more activations was better.
Wanted to say I’ve been looking forward to this deep dive for a while! Huge fan of WC! Agree with most of your takes, they have fairly strong shooting - especially w/ the rubric changes. But I can’t agree with the low defense. 2+ save on all 3/4 weapons w/ Rubrics is fairly tanky. And sorcerers have healing + defensive boons to boost their survivability. Look forward to seeing the breakdown with the other player too!
This is something that I eprsonally wouldn't even put the brainpower towards remembering it's a ploy. I'm sure there's some niche situation where it works, but as mentioned in the video, this is a CP hungry team, and spending a CP to swap ploys could be what loses you a vital ability later in the game.
Thank you for the guide!! Really makes them feel more manageable for a beginner. Since you suggest playing basic with a 6 model team, locking us into the Security archetype, do you have any suggestions for which Security tac ops are best to take for this team after the updates to the tac ops cards a few months back?
A great plan! There's much more back and forth on the ideas there instead of the stright presentation of "do it like this" that this shorter video requires :)
Also I have several friends who like to play and we do the 3 and 4 player missions. If you have thoughts on starts and how to approach those games tactically I'd like to hear your thoughts.
There are a few 3/4 player missions in the Annual. I think the best way to play them is for each person to have 1 tac op, or something I want to try is to pick 3 or 4 that everyone can complete. Without tac ops at all, I feel like it is a little too simple in terms of objectives, but still fun. Teams that can’t rush objectives fall apart without tac ops though.
For open terrain, can Warp Portal place the warped operative through walls? Is it counted as traversing or does the operative just has to be 6 inches base to base. I know in ITD you can't go through walls, this is just for open play.
25:00 How does warp portal give my rubric a 12" move? I thought the rubric couldn't use actions that involve moving after this is used on them. Still 9" is still far better than 6", but I also believe you still need to measure diagonally when placing them on vantage points (I couldn't potentially but wrong on that though).
9" is how I've played it. Technically you can measure from the edge of the sorcerer's base, potentially making it roughly 10" when teleporting to opposite sides. I have always measured it 2d / like fly. Seems realistic for a teleport.
@@RieksVisser Yeah since it's a teleport, I would assume I could measure it like a fly, but I've seen some videos/sources say you still need to measure it in 3D.
A couple of disagreements. Gunner is the last rubric you let go. Icon is okay, but losing the 6 attack ap1 weapon is too harsh. It only gives 1 free psychic action, and as a melee/pistol character, I often don't need the 4th action. I can always get a free dash for 1 cp. Firestorm is a trap. It only have blast 1, and the damage and accuracy is too low. I usually average 2 damage on a single model. Usually your opponent tries to avoid blast 2, since fluxblast on a flying sorcerer wrecks on open boards, which in turn gives you a bad frag grenade. It is trash on into the dark, since it effectively loses indirect. Tzaangors are mandatory for every match up, especially with the new critical ops. 3 marines are simply too slow, to do the mission.
@@metalpatriot22 use the Tzaangors with full melee because relentless is really good. Take the icon one when the mission needs it. The champion with the axe is great as it can fight twice. I take 8 tzaangors when I play againt Vet guard or blooded or even path finders tbh.
Hugely. Rubrics are generally a strict downgrade from sorcerers and the worse a ratio of rubricae to sorcerers the more the rubrics get punished by their limited movement rule
Which faction would you like the next DEEP DIVE to be of?
Minor addendums: Firestorm only has a 1" blast NOT 2". And at the end I am saying Fate Discipline when I mean TEMPYRIC Discipline. Literally no idea where I got fate discipline from. I'll stay off the pipe next time, sorry!
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blooded even though they are quite simple on the face of it.
Blooded, pathfinders or Hunter Clade trying to build all three of these teams and as someone totally new to Warhammer and kill team this is the kind of video I was looking for.
Would love to see a gellerpox infected deep dive. While not as complicated on their roster, I would love to hear how managing all their different models and melee focused play style can be done best
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Voidscarred Corsairs would be awesome!
I like videos starting with "Faction you like clickbait title" followed by immediate hopes crush of "they are not a good team" 🤣🤣🤣 Well done sir
It cracked me up too
A niche tip for Tzaangors and the Savage Herd strategic ploy
It happens to be very annoying for any fellgors you fight because their ability to not die unless crit gets basically tossed in the trash and it becomes a whole new match
Perfect timing, taking my Warp Coven to our RTT tmrw. It was between that and Chaos Daemons (I like an uphill battle) and this is the anti-pep talk I needed before the day. 😂 Love ya Glass.
Great video Glass! Just wanted to mention on the 'no defenses' thing, they do all have 5++ saves and the Rubrics save on a 2+ Vs anything that does Bolter damage or less
I love a faction deep dive. Really enjoyed it however, I'm now planning to do Warp Coven again which I don't need to do has I already have a backlog of grey🤣
I've been playing them on the regular since they came out. Lovely team, very rewarding when your schemes pan out.
What might be understated here is the importance of Ephemeral instability. In the first two turns it's a near auto cast. It messes with opponent's plans and also just annoys in a way that increases the mental load on your opponent. I've actually had quite some use from the healing spell and fluxblast is just great, making Tempyric the discipline you could consider doubling up on.
Agreed. The healing is also very helpful with 3 of the 4 tac ops that make sense to take for warpcoven: Secure center line, Central control and escort operative. You need to keep stuff alive! Getting 2d3 heal every turn, can make or break your tac ops.
Twist Destiny on a plasma gunner with buffed APL!!!
Thanks a lot for this beginner guide. Could you also do a more advanced guide? I miss advanced guides for most of the teams but I especially like the Warpcoven.
Great video, love all the info here. I’d been thinking of an Inquisitorial Warp Coven proxy team (who among us has not?), but your idea for some Wraithguards led by a few Eldar psykers is absolutely rad. Wish I had time to whip that conversion project up before LVO!
This newbie cant wait to test out this take all comers list! Thank you for the deep dive and for the explanations!
Loved this. Super informative and entertaining. More!!!!
Nice work Glass... would love to see a Definitive Deep Dive for Legionarie
Thank you so much for this, and totally needed it. I got tabled on my Starstriders, so if you haven't done a deep dive on them I'd love that.
Beautifully put
Ghd you legend! Warpcoven is my main team I’ve just painted a full roster and really needed this thank you so much sir, digital high five on its way to you now
I've been interested in the faction for a while now but always found it too intimidating (also didn't feel like painting Tzaangors...). Your video just gave me the push to go for it. Thanks for that and looking forward to more faction deep dives!
Awesome video!
Great video Glass, ty ! :)
I might add that your jumping back in forward really got better recently!
It still came up a few times though. Like when you talked about the different loadouts for open and itd before the listeners had any idea what loadouts were possible. Or when you started talking about noon, then suddenly said “it’s all about the rubric command ability” out of nowhere and then picked up the boon topic again. I know my way around Warpcoven so it wasn’t too bad for me, but a real faction beginner might find that hard to follow. But again: big improvement compared to earlier videos 😊
Keep it up!
Really great content! Would like the have sone more deepdives. Never considered a full rubric team for Warpcoven tbh. Always thought that more activations was better.
Wanted to say I’ve been looking forward to this deep dive for a while! Huge fan of WC!
Agree with most of your takes, they have fairly strong shooting - especially w/ the rubric changes.
But I can’t agree with the low defense. 2+ save on all 3/4 weapons w/ Rubrics is fairly tanky. And sorcerers have healing + defensive boons to boost their survivability.
Look forward to seeing the breakdown with the other player too!
As a long time WC player who loves to get his heart broken, this take is spot on.
Is one of our Ploys - Schemes of Change - useless now? Just picked these guys up and it doesn't seem like we have many good ploy options
This is something that I eprsonally wouldn't even put the brainpower towards remembering it's a ploy. I'm sure there's some niche situation where it works, but as mentioned in the video, this is a CP hungry team, and spending a CP to swap ploys could be what loses you a vital ability later in the game.
A deep dive in Chaos Legionnaires would be cool.
Thank you for the guide!! Really makes them feel more manageable for a beginner. Since you suggest playing basic with a 6 model team, locking us into the Security archetype, do you have any suggestions for which Security tac ops are best to take for this team after the updates to the tac ops cards a few months back?
Fantastic deep dive! I'll have to check out the Vantage Point podcast next...
A great plan! There's much more back and forth on the ideas there instead of the stright presentation of "do it like this" that this shorter video requires :)
Also I have several friends who like to play and we do the 3 and 4 player missions. If you have thoughts on starts and how to approach those games tactically I'd like to hear your thoughts.
There are a few 3/4 player missions in the Annual. I think the best way to play them is for each person to have 1 tac op, or something I want to try is to pick 3 or 4 that everyone can complete. Without tac ops at all, I feel like it is a little too simple in terms of objectives, but still fun. Teams that can’t rush objectives fall apart without tac ops though.
In ITD you are not using Firestorm every turn because Indirect weapons are limited to 3
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For open terrain, can Warp Portal place the warped operative through walls? Is it counted as traversing or does the operative just has to be 6 inches base to base. I know in ITD you can't go through walls, this is just for open play.
25:00 How does warp portal give my rubric a 12" move? I thought the rubric couldn't use actions that involve moving after this is used on them. Still 9" is still far better than 6", but I also believe you still need to measure diagonally when placing them on vantage points (I couldn't potentially but wrong on that though).
9" is how I've played it. Technically you can measure from the edge of the sorcerer's base, potentially making it roughly 10" when teleporting to opposite sides. I have always measured it 2d / like fly. Seems realistic for a teleport.
@@RieksVisser Yeah since it's a teleport, I would assume I could measure it like a fly, but I've seen some videos/sources say you still need to measure it in 3D.
39:36 Fate discipline should be tempyric discipline
Yup, pinned the correction as soon as I put the video out. I don't even know where I got "Fate Discipline" from!
@@GlassHalfDead Ah I see. I should have read the pinned message before posting a comment 😅
Such an interesting team. Just to complicated for my monkey brain!
Same XD Why do I mostly like complicated teams to play?
Exalted Astartes is a strategic ploy not tactical?
A couple of disagreements. Gunner is the last rubric you let go. Icon is okay, but losing the 6 attack ap1 weapon is too harsh. It only gives 1 free psychic action, and as a melee/pistol character, I often don't need the 4th action. I can always get a free dash for 1 cp.
Firestorm is a trap. It only have blast 1, and the damage and accuracy is too low. I usually average 2 damage on a single model. Usually your opponent tries to avoid blast 2, since fluxblast on a flying sorcerer wrecks on open boards, which in turn gives you a bad frag grenade. It is trash on into the dark, since it effectively loses indirect.
Tzaangors are mandatory for every match up, especially with the new critical ops. 3 marines are simply too slow, to do the mission.
I main warpcoven
Based and warp pilled
@@XDfunnyguy thank you. T'au-cells seethe, cope dilate over us warpchads
I am having a lot of success on ITTD with 8 Tzaangors and 2 sorcerers, just to let people know it can be done.
what tzaangors are you using? i´m struggling thinking in which ones should i get
@@metalpatriot22 use the Tzaangors with full melee because relentless is really good. Take the icon one when the mission needs it. The champion with the axe is great as it can fight twice.
I take 8 tzaangors when I play againt Vet guard or blooded or even path finders tbh.
So let's say I'd use only two sorcerers or just one sorcerer and the rest are rubrics. How much weaker would that be?
Hugely. Rubrics are generally a strict downgrade from sorcerers and the worse a ratio of rubricae to sorcerers the more the rubrics get punished by their limited movement rule