Think of it like learning to cook a specific dish by looking at many pictures of it in its finished state, versus reading a cookbook. Sure, the examples might give you an idea of what the visible ingredients are and how they've been prepared and combined, but you have no way of knowing for-sure what the exact process to arrive at that result is. You would then have to try many different combinations of cooking methods, time, and heat level before finally finding one that gets you approximately the result you want. Even then, it won't be a perfect reproduction, and you still won't know exactly how the original chef created the original dish. That is how a machine learning model learns. An algorithm negates the need for learning, as it simply follows the recipe in the cookbook and produces the expected result.
There was! It was a program developed by David Cope but was never released to the public: th-cam.com/video/chWdFoRHEr0/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=ScoreCircuit
Love the shirt (as always)! :D Wow, it’s truly impressive. To think about that this generator is 30 years old. Thanks for making a video about this “game”!
If there is one positive thing about music, speaking "art music" here, not getting the attention it deserves, is that they do not seem to apply the AI craze to music-making as fervently as they are to other things. Well, it is positive in that we still need/want composers. As I mentioned previously, I _do_ wish they would put a little more effort into music scanning abilities. There is a *_lot_* of public-domain music to be experienced. Enjoyed the dive here.
Bach had no problems avoiding the "rules of counterpoint" when the effect caused by the "mistake' generated was pleasant. Free-counterpoint also does the same. I don't know if I appreciate the narrative here so tight to "counterpoint rules"( it is more like guides really) i think that could potentially misleading.
How did you get the C.P.U Bach to work? I launched it with LaunchBox, but the "classics" section is locked, and I can't change the ratios of piano:basson for example (1:33)
Where do I begin with learning more about classical tonality and its rules? I don't quite understand what's bad about parallel 5ths or octaves, or where the rule about needing to step back after leaps came from. I'm really interested in learning everything I can about that. I've always wanted to write a music generation algorithm, but I don't know enough about tonal rules to have it do anything melodically interesting like this. Tone.js seemed like a fun library to do something like this in the browser but I think I'd prefer to make something that outputs MIDI.
i don't know too much about classical music myself, but to my understanding parallel 5ths are only 'bad' when writing counterpoint, because they break the individuality of the given melodic lines. moving in parallel 5ths or octaves makes the lines sound like one voice instead of multiple voices. the leaps i don't know how to explain, but not stepping back kinda just doesn't sound right. the best way to learn is to just use different resources that interest you. theres not really a single good entry point when it comes to learning music, you just have to pick somewhere yourself and follow a rabbit hole of your choosing, accepting that there will be some things that you don't understand. watch or read enough and you start to get the bigger picture.
Parallel fifths and octaves are bad, because all music has counterpoint, regardless of style, or how much you wish to ignore it. Specifically, parallel fifths, unisons and octaves are bad, when they occur between two voices, and one of the voices gets eliminated by the parallel motion. Due to how the very form of music is generated by the voices present in music, one of them randomly disappearing, is not much different from ripping out part of a page from a novel, it can have varying effects on the form, but all are negative. To recognize the effect, you simply have to train your ears to recognize contrapunctal voices, and form.
@@charlesgreenberg6956 Ha ha ha. You're in for a treat if you continue down this path. There's some truly bizarre stuff made for the 3DO. Luckily, you can just burn your own CDs since there's no copy protection checks (I didn't say this).
Man, what a channel. Glad it exists. I recently started music school and have never felt as passionate about music as I have now. Keep the superb content coming! Also, great shirt, would love to have one 😂
If you'd like to try the game out for yourself this is best done using an emulator manager such as LaunchBox.
Where exactly can we find the game itself?
Where get game?
Where can I get that shirt u were wearing🤣
@@untitileduser9553 you wouldn't download a shirt!
Oh I get it. Like CPE Bach. Clever name.
6:21 when the music teacher looks at my music theory assignment.
Great video! Funny how it probably does a better job of composition than most new era AI marketing hype
That's cause modern AI uses machine learning as opposed to just being a set algorithm
Think of it like learning to cook a specific dish by looking at many pictures of it in its finished state, versus reading a cookbook. Sure, the examples might give you an idea of what the visible ingredients are and how they've been prepared and combined, but you have no way of knowing for-sure what the exact process to arrive at that result is. You would then have to try many different combinations of cooking methods, time, and heat level before finally finding one that gets you approximately the result you want. Even then, it won't be a perfect reproduction, and you still won't know exactly how the original chef created the original dish. That is how a machine learning model learns. An algorithm negates the need for learning, as it simply follows the recipe in the cookbook and produces the expected result.
I wish there was an algorithm that produces music in the style of Rachmaninoff...
There was! It was a program developed by David Cope but was never released to the public: th-cam.com/video/chWdFoRHEr0/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=ScoreCircuit
Yes, it should be released to the public. It sure is really impressive
True. Why hasn’t this been rereleased with better sound quality. Can’t be that expensive.
I hate how genius the name is. CPU Bach. Gah!
what a great channel!!! Just found you and you're awesome!
Very interesting! Thanks for sharing this. The shirt is great too.
Love the shirt (as always)! :D Wow, it’s truly impressive. To think about that this generator is 30 years old. Thanks for making a video about this “game”!
If there is one positive thing about music, speaking "art music" here, not getting the attention it deserves, is that they do not seem to apply the AI craze to music-making as fervently as they are to other things. Well, it is positive in that we still need/want composers. As I mentioned previously, I _do_ wish they would put a little more effort into music scanning abilities. There is a *_lot_* of public-domain music to be experienced.
Enjoyed the dive here.
Bach had no problems avoiding the "rules of counterpoint" when the effect caused by the "mistake' generated was pleasant. Free-counterpoint also does the same. I don't know if I appreciate the narrative here so tight to "counterpoint rules"( it is more like guides really) i think that could potentially misleading.
How did you get the C.P.U Bach to work?
I launched it with LaunchBox, but the "classics" section is locked, and I can't change the ratios of piano:basson for example (1:33)
Just read about this in Sid Meter’s book and wanted to check it out.
Where do I begin with learning more about classical tonality and its rules? I don't quite understand what's bad about parallel 5ths or octaves, or where the rule about needing to step back after leaps came from. I'm really interested in learning everything I can about that.
I've always wanted to write a music generation algorithm, but I don't know enough about tonal rules to have it do anything melodically interesting like this.
Tone.js seemed like a fun library to do something like this in the browser but I think I'd prefer to make something that outputs MIDI.
i don't know too much about classical music myself, but to my understanding parallel 5ths are only 'bad' when writing counterpoint, because they break the individuality of the given melodic lines. moving in parallel 5ths or octaves makes the lines sound like one voice instead of multiple voices. the leaps i don't know how to explain, but not stepping back kinda just doesn't sound right.
the best way to learn is to just use different resources that interest you. theres not really a single good entry point when it comes to learning music, you just have to pick somewhere yourself and follow a rabbit hole of your choosing, accepting that there will be some things that you don't understand. watch or read enough and you start to get the bigger picture.
Parallel fifths and octaves are bad, because all music has counterpoint, regardless of style, or how much you wish to ignore it.
Specifically, parallel fifths, unisons and octaves are bad, when they occur between two voices, and one of the voices gets eliminated by the parallel motion.
Due to how the very form of music is generated by the voices present in music, one of them randomly disappearing, is not much different from ripping out part of a page from a novel, it can have varying effects on the form, but all are negative.
To recognize the effect, you simply have to train your ears to recognize contrapunctal voices, and form.
@@Whatismusic123 what about jazz solis
@@amaice yeah
Start with partimento. Check out The Art of Partimento by Sanguinetti and anything by Gjerdingen.
the only 3do game i own
Update I now own gex too😊
@@charlesgreenberg6956 Ha ha ha. You're in for a treat if you continue down this path. There's some truly bizarre stuff made for the 3DO. Luckily, you can just burn your own CDs since there's no copy protection checks (I didn't say this).
I really hope this comes out ported for windows.
Man, what a channel. Glad it exists. I recently started music school and have never felt as passionate about music as I have now. Keep the superb content coming! Also, great shirt, would love to have one 😂
Have you expressed your wish to Sid Meier to release this genius programme to other platforms?
Hey, I'm a new viewer! I really enjoy your content, and I really want to learn theory. How do you recommend learning?
Aaarrrghhh want ❤
5:08 I see what you did there