Justin do you speak on every war or political issue going on in the world? So why do you expect celebrities to? Since you are a TH-cam voice and have followers. I now expect you to speak on every issue worldwide and if you don’t I will criticize you and not support your channel anymore
You’re really a fool . Imagine thinking Beyoncé film was supposed to cover every problem within the queer community. Should she also have showcased how nasty and vile queer culture can be ? The violence that occurs within the queer community. Some people have been harmed while attending balls and almost lost their lives. Secondly queerness should not be associated with the stigma of a disease . You are a walking statistic do you have no problem with that . Not every queer person wants to be known for that stigma . Then when artist like Dababy say things such as they all have that backpack 🎒 you are ready to cancel them.
@@masonmcqueen7834Bw are also suffering from the backpack 🎒. While it should be normalized to speak about your experience and seek help. It shouldn’t be the highlight of every discussion. They had no personal relationship with Beyoncé uncle nor did Beyonce have the right to tell his experience. She remembered him for his talent not a disease he carried .
I’ve said for few years now that while incredibly talented, she is exploitative and opportunistic. When it was cool to be Pro-Black, there she was. When it was cool to be African, there she was. When it was cool to be LGBTQIA+, there she was. When it comes to important matters, where is she?
@funkpriestess9436 didn't. I think she wants to surpass Michael but she doesn't uphold authentic roots to supporting the community the way she pretends to
i agree and disagree, beyonce has always had queer people and music in her work even before she was popular from crazy in love to b'day. plus she has interacted with African music aswell during her 4 era before it was cool. She got African dancers and even worked with an African artist for Grown. I need to find the names and references.
Girl, her 'pro-black' eras are her worst selling and garner the most hate. So, try again. Beyoncé has been pro LGBTQ+ since she emerged on the scene. Let's not start lying.
I love Beyonce but at the end of the day she’s a hyper capitalist. And no matter how much I love her art. I always have to remember that billionaires are not our friends , there is NO ethical billionaire /millionaire & rich people will never truly have the best interest of the people.
Yall just be talking . She’s literally one of the few artist that always includes BLACK ARTIST. Has made albums empowering black people , has an all female band , has made visual albums empowering black people , donates millions every year in houston and private donations … her husband also is a black man who is one of the most successful black men and is known for supporting the black community and inspiring millions . What have yall done ? Yall just talk to talk and want to find problems with celebrities becuz u want their lives
@@diamontaeandersons5503you literally just proved OPs point. Beyonce will be criticized thank you she doesn't care about black people, women homosexuals etc. her being tan doesn't make black people owe her anything
@@diamontaeandersons5503and ???? shes still a capitalist two things can be true at once 😵💫 you can love beyoncé all you want but regardless she’s still a billionaire and her priority will always be making a bag off of yall 😂😂😂
I remember when Beyonce was "donating" to the Flint Water Crisis via ticket sales from the On the Run tour. Her fans was saying that she was generous to give to such a tragic cause. I pointed out that technically Beyonce wasn't giving anything; the fans were donating by buying concert tickets. If she had genuine concern for the crisis, she would've just cut the check and not even involve the fans. Of course I was attacked by the hive. Fans need to realize when they're favs aren't authentic and when they're being used.
Multiple things can be true. The critiques of her not speaking about and pulling the film out of Israel are accurate. At the same time, I’m not looking for any celebrity to speak up on anything. We asked them to do that in the early days of BLM and it was a DISASTER. Many of them are politically ignorant and uneducated even when they’re cosplaying as revolutionaries. Part of the cult of celebrity is people looking to them as leaders when they’re not and not fully using their own power to change things. At this point, she is who she is and every consumer has to make a decision of how they want to engage with her.
Absolutely, I do not look to celebrities AND Beyoncé is somebody who’s made her bread and butter revolutionary aesthetics. She could at the very least at this point have dropped a cease fire/peace please statement.
Still excusing it. When you call yourself Malcolm X in a song but won’t voice any support with Palestine. When Malcolm X supported Palestinians. It comes off performative.
As a non American (Jamaican)it so interesting to see all of this… Beyoncé is that Famous partly because of the fact that she is American. And that American imperialism through media and culture is one of the strongest ways America has colonized the world. She is a Black Capitalist, she takes from countless marginalized cultures and make millions. Americans deify that woman not only because she is an incredible artist, but because she stands at the intersection of class, colour and gender politics. And as we questions those things, there are so many cracks in the concept that is her stardom, and deification. And just a extra tidbit: when I was in High School in Jamaica, she and Jay z were shooting that motorcycle scene in one of the poorest neighbourhoods in the city, neither Beyoncé more Jay Z have direct ties to that community, and quite frankly the country. Jamaica is in one of the most oppressed countries in the world, she has never once talk about it, but she dutty whine the house done and profit of the culture. Even her collaboration with Sean Paul, he’s a rich non black Jamaican, and he lives in his gated community, his light skinned wife is a Karen, she called the police on USAIN BOLT, because he was being “too loud”
I’m here for this tea. I’m a Jamaican also but raised in the US since 8yo, so I’m removed from Jamaican culture and engulfed in African American culture, so it interesting to hear this take. It makes perfect sense.
That last part about Sean paul and his wife could have been left out as it had nothing to do with your comment or the convo at hand. Nuff time me wha call police pon my neighbor dem too for having parties late at night when I have work to go early next morning. Thank God that doesn't happen all the time.
@@ToniaAlex13 girl you need to put Jamaica in the context of the rest of the world, instead of allowing yourself to exist in a bubble. Sean Paul is non black, the wife is barely black and the use their colour, class and privilege to continue the fuckery conditions people are living it, but he is lawded as Jamaicas great gift. I said that because it added context, especially as people outside of Jamaica see Sean Paul in a certain way and do have any understanding of his position in the society. As for you and your neighbours, maybe if we had proper infrastructure to facilitate partying in Jamaica, (partying being one of the biggest and vital parts of our culture) maybe people won’t have to be partying next to you. And girl if you called the police on your neighbour they are not going to come, the reason the police went to her home was the address and skin colour…let’s be real for a moment here. You’re trying to defend the people who could care less about any regular Jamaican dark than a paper bag.
@@johncrowbatty2000 I personally and like most Jamaicans don't give a rat ass about ppls color. I'm Jamaican, they are Jamaican, that's it. I don't care what color you are. One thing I don't do when listening to American media is let certain issues they face cloud my judgment or change how I feel about my ppl. Again, bringing up Sean paul and his wife had nothing to do with Beyoncé.
@@ToniaAlex13 and girl you’re acting like colourism isn’t very real and very alive in the country, just because you have accepted that way people of a certain skin colour are treated doesn’t mean I have to, especially when I was a person going to school with these people and got to see how much of their stolen wealth they’re hiding from the rest of their country. I went to Ardenne High, these people don’t even consider themselves Jamaican until they move to foreign and realize the only interesting thing about them is their Nationality.
I stopped messing with celebrities in 2020, the pandemic change my whole outlook of what I consume. Just like there’s no ethical billionaire, I believe there’s no ethical celebrity.
@@Vanjee24 Never again. The pandemic taught me so much about celebs, greed, how nasty people are lol, how individualistic society is. I dont plan on going back to ignorantville
Same! I unfollowed so many people and just unsubscribed from all things celebrities and gossip. 2020 really opened my eyes so much especially the imbalance between capitalists and the rest of the world
Tina is the mother of a celebrity, not some politician or philanthropist; so of course she will speak on things that pertain to her. Tbh I don’t want to hear a damn thing from Tina or Beyoncé about genocide. They can cut a large check to fund aid, but that’s the extent of it
Stop centering celebrities in political movements. Then you won't be disappointed. They're entertainers anything more is an add-on and shouldn't be expected.
I think you missed the point. Beyoncé cosplayed herself as this political Messiah for the people. She interjected herself into these political movements like blm, LGBTQIA+, feminism, the democrat party and she profits off of it.
And by focusing so much on Beyoncé and her silence you take away from the main issue that is Israel occupying and brutalizing Palestinians. That’s what really matters and what you should be focused on talking about instead of celebrities and their activism.
@@agustin1027it doesn’t take away from anything. People can focus on the main issue at hand but also question why someone who has been rewarded for being an activist is now being silent on such a global issue and also having her movie shown there.
The day people emancipate themselves from their lofty expectations of self-serving celebrities, will be a great day indeed. Them people ain't our people! 🤷♀
“People feel as if if Beyonce loses then I lose.” Wow. This brought tears to my eyes, it was incredibly on point. The only way a lot of us feel we can live is through representation. It’s a hard thing to realise but you’re right, representation cannot save us. 👏🏾💯
Individuals who lack motivation, education, or experience live vicariously through Beyoncé 24:7. Beyoncé is penalized for the lack of talent and skill among Black people. I'll continue my legal studies even if Beyoncé loses. If she prevails, it represents endless possibilities. People mistreat Beyoncé because of her superior work ethic and commitment to her craft. Many of you barely supported Beyonce as a lot of people who critique her will say “I’m not the biggest Beyonce fan”. I just have an opinion on everything she does.
People have dehumanized celebrities to the point where they believe it is okay to criticize everything they do, yet they will cite the Bible and claim that God has told them not to judg. Clowns, lol.🤡 When Whitney Houston sang a pop song, the black community once booed and boycotted her. These are the same African Americans who shed tears 😚 Whitney is missed. The most astute realization for these artists is that, despite their best efforts, people still regard them in ways inhumane . Even if it isn’t intentional.
I remember reading a study years ago that said that the more people were invested in a celebrity, the less involved they were likely to be in social issues, even basic ones that directly involved them, and would instead superimpose whatever social structure their fave is involved in for their own views and opinions, which terrifies me when I remember that there were J people who were Nazis prior to the holocaust. This was also engineered by Edward Bernays, the literal father of propaganda. Stans are propagandised to not care about their own interests or their own community's, and that is dangerous under this system
As a fan of Beyoncé we also should be able to both critique and be critiqued on actions and words or lack thereof especially when it comes to very serious matters like the genocide in Gaza
I’m a member of Beyhive and saw her in Atlanta for my bday (Aug. 16) and im glad another fan is speaking on this. I love her, but being a billionaire will always be unethical. She’s not absolved from criticism, and as an African girl, I find offense that she would make The Gift but won’t speak out on issues happening in Sudan, DRCongo, Tigray, & even Palestine (since Africans support them, & genocide ofc). We were just used for her profiteering. Even if she couldn’t pull back the film in Israel, she could’ve made a statement in support of Palestine
I’m a fan too and think every human warrants at least a bit of critique. But I think you gotta respect the complicated and long-standing issue that is the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. I don’t know the details of it and I’m pretty knowledgeable about things in the world. Why should she weigh in on something if she’s ignorant to it’s specifics?
This issue is long standing but not complicated. What's complicated for these entertainers is how to maintain the bag in these trying times. They've seen that people get fired or lose monetary support for voicing their concerns on Gaza, so they keep their mouth shut or support Israel
@@jam6920 I spoke to a 55-year old former Israeli military soldier this past Sunday and asked him about all of this and how he’d e explain it to his kids or Americans who might be a bit clueless about it all. He was super critical of his own government run by Netanyahu but still was able to concede that the conflict was both complicated and full of nuance. It’s a little exhausting seeing Twitter activists be so black and white about an issue that they don’t even fully grasp and yet are vehemently urging others to say something. I’m sure someone like Beyoncé IS worried about the ramifications of speaking loudly in ignorance. She should be. She had a lot to lose. You don’t. And it’s awfully cute of you snd your zero reach and influence to demand that someone do something because you and a few others think she should.
@CHEETAH69 Wow, your former israeli soldier is evidently not a credible source: he has all of the reasons to be biased. Again, it might be complicated for people who have a stake in this conflict, a poor sense of justice or a poor moral compass, but the vast amount of international human rights laws that have been broken by an official government against civilians should make it clear that there is gross injustice. No need to be an historian, no need to be an expert, no need to be an activist. Also, you're throwing daggers at a ghost there: I'm not the one asking celebrities to speak up.
@@jam6920 he’s absolutely biased. But he’s also more informed and more familiarized about this topic than most are. As an Israeli Jewish man, the bias would be expected to be against Palestine. He’s more critical of his own government while also admitting this situation isn’t as basic as you’re attempting to portray it as. You painting it as a simple fight between two groups feels grossly simplistic.
Beyonce used you guys to buy tickets and music. Renaissance was apparently supposed to support lgbtq but not one gay artist was really on the songs ( background) and these only invited dj Khalid on stage for her birthday. Formation was a song of that time as you said she has to put on new characters new eras to keep continuing
Right. She and her producers were in the studio like, “what’s causing the most rage this year? Oh, lgbt rage is hot right now. Let’s make a gay themed album and call it “a love letter to the gays” like when black ppl were mad and we pretended to be black panthers” 🙄
Did Kevin Jz prodigy the man who did all the intros on the tour and most of the songs is he not apart of the lgbtq community. Ts Madison , Big freedia. Ts Madison has a Grammy from being on one of Beyoncé’s songs,
Beyonce is a wave rider. She uses whatever movement is trending at the time and pretends like it's her passion. When the BLM movement and pro blackness started becoming mainstream she put out Formation, when Afro beats started taking off she put out The Gift album and started working with African artists even though she still won't tour Africa, now she's using the LGBTQ community.
The title is absolutely correct and doesn’t start or stop with Beyoncé. I am a fan and love her artistry, but at the end of the day, that woman did not cure a disease or end world hunger…she sings songs! The same way politicians try to humanize themselves and speak about causes they know will get the people going and align with them is the way celebrities do when they want to market to a mass audience, and at the end of the day, we see where that goes…. She is not dumb…The same way she performed that gig in Dubai and did not perform a stitch of the Renaissance album or display anything with gay culture, let’s not be fooled that she isn’t aware of certain things. At this point, the woman is a conglomerate and ppl need to be paid, so the bag ain’t stopping. But in this country , celebrity is the distraction. Whether it’s putting a basketball in a hoop or singing songs, these ppl get to be in places and spaces and see dollar signs the average working American will never see, and we can’t ask that you speak about or have any thought of your own about a topic because it offends people?! When it comes to Beyoncé or her husband or any celebrity they are not beyond reproach in my world, that’s that zany internet shit where ya pledge allegiance and follow ppl blindly. Once the pandemic hit it opened my eyes to a lot and it’s all smoke and mirrors, most people are full of shit and are only in it for self preservation! Awesome topic that could definitely go on for hours
This is why I will NEVER connect with this woman. Everytime her BEES ask her to have AN OPINION about something major she just says nothing and wait for it to disappear. Crazy how ONCE AGAIN she shows how all about her coins she is and only is
@@kasiahroy2082 I love Bey but she's barely articulate when she accepts her awards. I don't want to hear her speak on anything else. That's just not her gift. Let her express it through her art. lol I do think she's bright tho.
I'm a member of the Bee Hive & I completely understand your point of view. I also believe the film shouldn't have been shown in Isreal either. What is happening over there is so wrong and evil and it shouldn't be happening. Like you said there's nothing wrong with having these types of conversations. I actually love that these HONEST & VERY REAL conversations are happening more. I love the artistry and creativity behind Beyoncé but she is not invincible and the exception to the rule when it comes down to criticisms. Honestly, I think some of the fans are more bothered by it than she is and that's what's more odd and scary.
If that's the case it shouldn't b shown anywhere hell...not even America, but where the hell is yall concern n uproar for that Exactly, nowhere That's y I don't take yall fake concern seriously....ppl everywhere It's actually quite annoying
@@scorpiocara6798Peak delusion at its finest. We can care about multiple things at once. You just don't want people to criticize Beyoncé because you've decided through your parasocial relationship that you're besties and that she actually knows and cares about you. Why don't you just come out and say that you don't want people "criticizing" Beyoncé because you believe it's a personal attack on yourself and your own unwillingness to be critical of the stuff you like and you just want to enjoy problematic shit (and people) guilt-free?
@@scorpiocara6798 I can respect your opinion. But the truth is what is happening there is extreme and it's not something happening "everywhere." Yes every place is probably experiencing their own hardships and inequalities but it's not on the same level. And according to what's been on record...Bey has been selective with what she address and how she addresses political issues and situations. Which, I can understand when you have a public platform. She was very vocal about getting Obama in office and even BLM and and I am sure there are other things that aren't coming to mind at the moment. However, those event were also huge & heavy topics...topics a lot of others were afraid to speak on as well bc of the controversy surrounding it. What really makes what's happening in that part of the world any different? People with her influence unfortunately have a certain level of duty to the world & their fan base. The main problem with the industry is that it's saturated with a lot of "yes" men and people who are too scared to challenge the artists or talent because of whatever their reasons are. But, challenges is what builds character and relationships. There's nothing wrong with wanting better and not just more from the artists and public figures we support so freely. If ee can ask for a new album or tour from her there shouldn't really be any push back when we ask that she uses her platform for the greater good and meaningful causes. That's all I'm saying.
@@johncrowbatty2000you do you. Speak up when the moment moves you. Expecting others to speak on every issue especially those with more at risk is both arrogant and insensitive.
She's never actually been vocally political; always performative. I am not a Beyonce Stan but sometimes, we want to have things both ways. We want them to say something, but when they do or say something that we don't like, we condemn them for not having the range. Sometimes, people can do more harm than good by speaking. I think that whichever positon she takes, she will take a hit and for what? The people of power don't care what she or us have to say. What about the people in Israel who don't support the government's actions? Haven't we concluded that the people may be suffering on both sides due to the actions of a few? Please don't reach beyond my exact words to create a narrative for me. If the opinion was not stated here, ask me for my positon instead of assuming what it is.
A lot of the work her and Jay do isn't advertised, they don't talk about a lot of their charity work so how is she performative? We don't get to see much of the performance. She barely addresses media and the fans (which is smart and more celebs should do).
People need to realize, that most famous people are ego-maniacs, narcs, capitalists and have no to low moral compass. Stop STANNING STRANGERS. Nothing wrong liking someone's music, but when you act like groupies, you look stupid.
I dont love Beyonce. I like her music very much, shes a great performer, shes a beautiful woman whos talented asf. Ive been listening to her since the age of 8. Still Dont love her. I dont know her. She is a celeb.. Nothing more.. She is not important. She doesnt DO anything important except for distracting me from the bullshit world I live in. Which has its function but thats not real. Its entertainment. Being a stan has always been cringe to me.. Why cant people just like things and leave it at that. Ive missed a generation of Beyonce because I didnt like the music as much. I didnt see her, I wasnt thinking about her. Stan or fans arent like that. Theyll convince themselves they like things that their neutral about. Its strange. Even as a kid, this behavior was weird to me. I get it but I never GOT it. And its only become worse because of social media
Beyonce is incredibly talented at promoting black aspiration and excellence. However, I have never considered her to be a political figure. As an artist, she often incorporates political moments into her work, which sparks conversation and provides entertainment. While denouncing genocide is important, the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is a complicated situation that involves cultural differences. I believe that taking a side in this conflict is what has caused it to persist for 70 years. Therefore, it requires a more in-depth analysis to understand and provide a solution to the conflict. Beyonce's non actions vs governments that have been involved in the conflict. It is not fair argument. It is easier to target a celebrity than to hold elected officials accountable for their actions. Just because Beyonce references Malcolm X in her music does not mean that she is an expert on cultural conflicts that black Americans may not fully understand. Even Malcolm X, despite his solidarity and support, was not an expert on this issue. Black people are often expected to stand with every injustice in the world and its an unfair expectation. It also is very performative to do so Not every Black revolutionary took a stance on every conflict around the world. Their politics was about black issues and thats really it.
She is definitely an opportunist. I felt like the whole formation, black parade, black is king era was an act. All of the protests and things that happened in 2020 she jumped on the bandwagon. This whole renaissance era was an opportunity for her as well. She has never gone to a ball, a gay pride event, nothing! She had all of these lgbtq artists on her album yet didn’t let one of them get on the stage with her.
It all made so much sense to you. What a clownfish . Is attending balls and pride events a requirement for being gay? You demonstrated just how ignorant you really are. Not every queer person attends Pride events or is active in the ballroom community. A few are occupied obtaining degrees and engaging in other self-improvement activities. Formation was a song that represented her identity as a black country woman 👩, in which she talked about her mixed-race background as well. She to the haters “You”. In the last ten years, no artist has made a political statement on that magnitude. Whether you like or not . The superbowl was controversial and political.
Beyoncé doesn’t need your permission to speak about her experiences or politics . She’s an opportunist but y’all still watch her moves religiously. Make it make sense . Black parade did not win 🥇 her an Oscar . In-fact her highest selling work has been when she wasn’t political. To pretend Beyonce a billionaire needs to cater to a demographic who can barely afford a ticket 🎟️ nor a cd . GAG
@@lamesciathestretchpro Someone agreeing with you doesn’t make you right . Nowhere did I say you couldn’t have your opinion Ms. Blue tanktop and muscles 💪 . You made an ignorant comment and I responded. Even hitler had followers . Next time try to sound educated instead of like a clownfish .
@@paigealexander5601 As a life long Beyonce stan, shut the hell up. I'll go to bat for the woman's talent, but what we not finna do is act like she ain't out here doing trifling things to make some coin. Ivy Park uses child labour in South Asia, that's how she got that billionaire status, it wasn't selling records. There's pop girlies who've worked as long as Beyonce who've sold more music than her too and they're not billionaires, it's her ventures in capitalism that got her the status. Mariah Carey ain't out here with no billion dollars, neither is Madonna, and they were poppin about as long as Beyonce has been. Beyonce don't owe us nothing, but we don't owe her worship either, we can consume her artistry while also critiquing it. It's called media literacy, look into it.
Not "anyone". There are plenty people who do things in accordance with their core values--not to feed messaging support specific agendas and maintain an image.
Honestly - if Beyonce was Dark Skinned, I feel like people would've cancelled her a long time ago for some of the things she's put in her music. I think she gets a lot of passes and grace because of the appeal and obsession of her physical appearance. - especially remembering how quickly Janet plummeted and was blacklisted - same as Ciara being blacklisted at one point - Brandy being dismissed and being compared to Monica (not only sonically but...) physically - It's not hard to believe since it happens in real life in the community. I feel like thats why Drake gets away with a lot too.
@@4everdee33and this is why colorism is subjective and stupid. Ciara is not darker than a brown paper bag. I met Janet in person so that’s why I added her in, she’s brown but I guess that winter I met her she was paler then and could pass. Again, colorism is stupid so I’m not arguing it lol. I otherwise get what you mean.
I LOVE Beyoncé down. Been to Renny Concert. But I think it’s very important to hold our faves accountable ESPECIALLY the ones who built their career on activism. None of us is free until all of us are. You can’t advocate when it’s convenient to you and her silence is part of the problem !
I think our obsession with making celebrities our heroes and gods are our problem… after Beyoncé speaks on this what will that do ?… honestly ? Y’all think the wars are going to stop ? The genocides will end because Beyoncé talked about them ? Nooo none of that will happen, the movie is being distributed by a major corporation , that no one is calling out…but go directly to the black woman…she doesn’t have to address our opinions about such complex issues that OUR OWN GOVERNMENTS CANNOT RESOLVE. what does it say about humanity when we have systems in place that we aren’t holding accountable about major problems but choose to put the pressure on celebs… no one needs to study connections to celebs , study why you obsess over them so much to solve critical problems our governments are supposed to handle. I think all this is just unnecessary and this energy and reporting could go to putting a light on what’s happening , rallying to help however we can but no one is going to make be believe that removing a movie is going to have some meaningful value.
Thank you so much for speaking on this!!! I will lead folks to this video rather than going back and forth about how and why they're deluded in believing Beyonce is above critique when it comes to her silence.
Black people tend to be the main group wanting celebrities to be political. They are not well versed or trained to speak intellectually about these topics. What we all need to do is learn more about our Black politicians who can put policies in their place.
Sadly, a lot of black politicians are like a lot of black celebrities. They're all about themselves. Black celebrities understand that while black people support them, white people run the entertainment industry. They are not gonna risk pissing white people off by being too woke. There would be no black celebrities for black people to support if the white powers that be didn't put them on. With black politicians, it's the same thing. They depend on the black vote to get in, but they serve white interests and ignore black interests.
Why should Beyoncé pull the movie? The people of Israel and the government of Israel are two different entities. So her fans in Israel shouldn't get to experience this film because of what their government is doing? That's ridiculous.
Yes the fuck you mean. They’re literally not doing anything about their government slaughtering innocent people. Most of them support it. So yes, no cookies for y’all mfs!
@@Jajakay2I mean our government does it to other countries all the time lol. It’s about her taking a stance on this very important issue. Which I guess she is doing my showing the movie there despite the genocide going on
I understand your perspective. Celebrities use social matters as inspiration for art, but they do not bring awareness and advocate for the cause. The reality is, some people are not purposed to advocate and bring awareness. Beyoncé is an excellent performer but I don’t look to her for awareness.
So let me get this straight, folks are upset that a black celebrity who spoke up for blk injustice is hypocritical because she is not speaking on non- blk issues. The non-blks who are notorious for being anti-blk??? AND some black folks are advocating for such a stance??? WOW!
Palestinians are not anti black, and that’s besides the point. The point is that a genocide is going on. It doesn’t matter that the people being genocides aren’t black. Even if Palestinians were anti-black do you think Israel of all things supports black people??
@soulaanlioness And I don't support Israel either... Other minorities treat us like they are not minorities too but then want to scream oppression when the table turns on them...We will not fight for who don't fight with us. We've fought battles on our own that now benefit a lot of minorities especially in the Western world. Get somebody else to do it!
I think there's a bigger problem within the black community where we expect celebrities to be the role model, the activist, the politician, etc. Beyonce is a musician. Yes, she dabbles in social issues but at the end of the day she's an entertainer. She sings about empowerment (Beyonce Album). . . everyone cries that she's a feminist. She sings about pro blackness (Lemonade). . . everyone cries that it's inappropriate, performative or offensive. Sings about LGBT community (Renaissance). . . Preacher's preach that it's evil. Sings about Africa (Black is King). . . Oh she didn't stand up for all of Africa's issues. SHE CAN'T PLEASE EVERYBODY AND IT'S NEVER ENOUGH! I see why she put in bold letters "GOD IS GOD, I AM NOT" onstage. Maybe if she just retires everyone will be satisfied and then you'll complain about that too. 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄
I remember when Beyonce came out with her self-titled visual album and she was talking about feminism. Most of her songs didn’t have feminist themes and some were kind of antithetical to feminism WHICH IS FINE. But I was so irritated with how people did not want to critique what was going on there. Choice feminism was really big at that time and she was using that to pander to her fans. I liked the album but I wish more people would actually talk about what was going on there.
Beyonce is still a feminist with a husband. She has supported women but having an all woman band, she staffs more women than men. Like it's not selective.
Idk no why ppl in the comments are like “im political when I want to be too”. Like ok… ,but are you a multimillionaire and cultural icon with resources and influence that could help millions of people…Also it very telling that yall are political when yall wanna be it’s one of the many reasons we have multiple genocides happening right now 🫠🫠🫠
What? Some of these multimillionaires are funding, genocide. Beyoncé is one. You can look this up. You can’t look up her private affairs with what she funds. She funds political houses while also funding organization, and nonprofits. Multiple things can be true at once. This is why it’s called “The State of Confusion” People are trying to figure out. Are you on a side? Which one? You can do good and evil all in one.
There wouldn't be an issue if Bey herself didn't evoke these images tying herself to black activist movements and liberation in her music but then not actually speaking to it. If she doesn't want to be political, then don't put on the costume and then act offended when ppl call out it feels performative.
As a honeybee in the Beyhive, I agree that no celebrity is above critique and constructive criticism, including the Queen. Honestly, I don't want celebs to speak up about global issues. A lot of them are not living in "reality," do not have a worldly perspective, and ignorant. As much as stan culture has grown into complete negativity, it's made me step back from celeb culture, unfollowing IG blogs and celebs. I HATE to be devil's advocate (because points are being MADE), but idk if any other films pulled out of Israel or even if they could bc she/Parkwood may not be the distributer or had a distribution deal.
An artists duty is to reflect the times period point blank and the fact that people can’t simply understand this because it’s Beyoncé says a lot . We can’t hold her accountable/critique her we really never gonna be freeeee 😭😭😭😭
What does our freedom have to do with holding Beyoncé accountable? And accountable for what? She didn’t harm anyone. She didn’t slaughter people or start wars. The argument is we hold these celebs to too high a standard but in that same breath we fault them for saving the world with their advocacy. Now either they’re normal folk who need to be treated as humans or they’re otherworldly beings who must fix whatever ails the planet. They can’t be both.
The fact people can't have a critique of celebs these days is sad and disgusting...and how ironic it comes right as talent is at an all time low. I don't know why certain fans get off on so called 'praise' of their favs when 99% of it is FAKE or forced anyway. They are crippling the arts with this coddling. Then people wanna gasp when SOME celebs are abusing and using people in dark ways behind the scenes! Celebs are far from Gods.
When bell hooks criticized her the beehive tried to come for her and call her grandma…they had no idea who bell hooks is… I’m also tired of this idea that we shouldn’t look to celebrities to speak up. We’ve seen the power celebrities hold. Beyoncé says jump her fans say how high. When politicians aren’t listening and disregarding us THE PEOPLE (celebrities included) need to speak tf up. It’s also important bc as a fan I’d like to know where they stand on certain political issues. They aren’t all dumb they just scared of losing a check.
It’s crazy how Malcom X has discussed this already and people are still not listening. People are very insecure out here to try to project onto these celebrities.
Vote for who? It's not as if though this political system isn't filled with fascists and white supremacists in both parties. One party is more loud, but the vote blue no matter who folk show their bigotry often these days.
Exactly always moaning and wining go and vote and take your frustrations to the government leave beyonce alone. Beyonce is an artist and she doesn't have to say or do shit. There is a genocide in the Congo don't see no black people talking about it or even aware and this includes you the king of reads. There are many atrocities going on in the world leave B alone. The woman has done more than many. If we spent more time in the real world and less time on twitter on in the comment section we might actually make a change. We shoudnt act for what we don't do ourselves and majority of people are not doing anything when it comes to fighting justice for all and that doesn't just mean what's in the news.
She took hungry and vulnerable young artists to a music camp to exploit them? What makes you think she cares about anyone else? The girl has always been questionable. Her entire career is built off the backs of other people. The making of the music group DC was for Beyoncé. And she isn’t an artists,she is a performer and singer. There are real artists behind her who make her who she is!
Seeing some of the comments are disheartening. I encourage us all to talk to each other IRL about the things that have us idolizing celebrities even when the contradiction of them not being “one of us” is disturbingly clear. This is not by accident, the idea of celebrity esp American is primarily to mislead us into thinking we can individually amass wealth to obtain societal safety and economic security, but most importantly to NOT seek community and organize around our own needs (fair wages, healthcare NOT tied to labor, community safety etc ). Statistically most of us are closer to poverty than wealth, most of us will die at the same class level that we were born in and most of us are working class/poor. How are we defending people that continue to hoard millions of dollars when most of the world is losing economic security and basic needs, they are billionaires and we are in a climate crisis, they don’t engage in political rhetoric and activity that benefit the masses. These people are exploiters, they can make amazing music and perform their ass off but just as we hold reverence for Beyonces talent we must also hold the performative facade she props up to delude us into paying $$ for concert tix, perfumes and films. You can enjoy the escapism but don’t hold expectations of these celebrities to have our interests in mind, please engage with your peers to develop ideology and practices that supports each other because celebrities are not one of us.
i read the vulture article and it was not that bad. i saw somebody say it was a hit piece and cackled. Bey got folks so wrapped around her finger they can’t think clearly. it’s okay to critique those we love. if we can’t do that, even mildly, then who is it that we love? the idea? you can’t love someone whose flaws and faults you cannot see. don’t the lady got a song called flaws and all?? how you gonna love the flaws without acknowledging them?
I have never loved Beyonce...she's unlike other singers/performers who I felt there was a connection to such as Michael, Madonna, Mariah, Whitney, Toni, Janet..she's just not relatable. I see her as someone who wanted to become famous and she's done everything to become that. Not exceptionally talented and anyone who thinks she is needs a reality check.
Boy, don't you still stan people like Doja Kat and Cardi B (and consume Nicki when you have a mind to)???? *YOU* are political when YOU want to be, hun. You are also a hypocrite when you want to be, so there's that. You support people who have been anti-black and homophobic, so please don't. Beyoncé cannot be all things to all people. How about this: Stop supporting Beyoncé! Bet you won't!
Honestly I think if people didnt like that Vulture article then its because of the lack of reading comprehension. It was a critique piece which gave the good and maybe not so good. I enjoyed reading it. Even in this comment section they think its about Beyonce when its really about the fandom itself. The psychosis of the fandom. Media literacy is lacking as well.
I like Beyonce, but Bey does capitalize on what's 'popular' in the moment. People need to stop putting celebs on a pedestal and realize they're all about themselves, not for the general population. She should have had Big Freedia, TS Madison, and etc on stage with her. Off topic, but in light of Diddy's allegations, I wouldn't be surprised if Jay-Z will eventually have his day.
Can you please elaborate on how Bey capitalizes on what's popular at the moment? If you knew her career, you'd know she's always been feminist, pro-black, and pro-gay rights. Independent Women? Freakum Dress? Specifically hiring black women? Intentionally having all female band? I'm not saying you can't be critical of her, but there's a difference between being critical and making things up. It's a well known fact in the industry that Bey does the exact opposite of what's mainstream most of the time. When she released 4, the biggest genre was EDM and 4 was an R&B album through and through? During a time of overt promotion, Bey surprise dropped self-titled? I'm only bringing up these points to say it's categorically false that she plays into popularity. She hasn't done that since her I Am Sasha Fierce era.
I'm not going to hold someone to a standard to which they have not held themself,@@mae64khlo. Beyonce has deliberately stood for equality and anti-oppression, in the Black community specifically. For her not to voice concerns about genocide in Congo, Palestine, or anywhere else contradicts the platforms she's used to propel herself even further, including the 'Black is King' production-especially when she's promoting blood diamonds. It's also weird to think a Black woman would expect a white woman to fight against colonialism more so than a Black woman. I think you should try another take. I also find it ridiculous that people continue to compare Lady Gaga and Beyonce, bringing-up Lady Gaga any time someone speaks of Beyonce like they're even comparable.
As a Black transgender artist, it's ridiculous that I-with the little following I have (that is basically nonexistent)-am able to take a stand for what's right more readily than a billionaire.
@@Lin10uson it will never make sense to have more smoke for an artist that has risked her mainstream popularity to speak on social issues than ones that never speak on ANYTHING. Adele, Rihanna, Swift, etc. Bey has spoken about Black American social issues. She's not obligated to speak on every single global issue. If that's the case, Lady Gaga should be as well since she put the LGBT community as a main focal point of her platform. See the hypocrisy? It's preposterous. She should've never sacrificed her career for yall. It's never enough.
I remember some people saying that she had no control of where the film was released, I honestly hope that's true and she has her publicist make a statement, because she won't say anything.
I don’t even know why that’s an excuse anyone is using. The Israeli government and its military is killing Palestinians. All of Israel isn’t. In fact, there are some Israelis who want a ceasefire and want Netanyahu out of office. And just like we don’t want to be blamed for the crimes of our often-trash government, why in hell should all of Israel be punished for the deeds of its leaders?
Grown folks, black celebrities and para social relationships. It's gross and weird. It reminds me of the show loosely based on the girl obsessed with her. 😳🤮🤢
When she talked about Malcolm X in her album I just thought of that interview he did calling celebs clowns. He would probably be so mad at what she’s done with her his name and the serious things he’s done with the black panthers.
Genuine question: Obviously, it would be wonderful if Beyonce was perfect and operated exactly how you all wanted her to, but what's wrong with platforming actual political figures? I'm not saying it's not contradictory with some of her choices, but isn't exposing a larger audience to the rhetoric of Malcolm X and other political leaders a good thing?
@@nopestopitplz6079 she’s not platforming these figures. She’s just saying their names and wearing them like a costume. It’s a complete insult to the actual dangerous and important work they’ve done to improve black America lives AND the lives of immigrants and other POC. The people who care about these things will learn about them in an appropriate way so they can understand how serious and how life and death black history has always been
@@TyMarie92 Actually, she's not just "saying their names and wearing them like a costume." She has quite literally used very direct quotes from these figures in her works, especially in her Homecoming documentary. After all, we're having these conversations. Whether it's in Beyonce's favor or not, you and other people in these comments have made it very clear that you expect her to be an activist because she's acknowledged revolutionary movements in her art before. In an ironic way, she is sort of sparking a debate about our expectations of celebrity. To your second point, if "people who care about these things will learn about them in an appropriate way," then why are we even having this discussion? If there's no way you can care about important political issues if you're learning about them from Beyonce, then why are we looking to her for a statement? Isn't that contradictory? And if one of our touch stones for this conversation is Malcolm X, then aren't we doing him a disservice by centering any celebrity in these conflicts, considering he very blatantly stood against that?
I think her touring in states with legislation against us is a tired point. Bc in all honesty she should have just not toured here with that logic. If anything it proves it’s a safe space simply for the fact that she gathered the community and more and gave them a place where they could be free and dance all night despite what laws are being made against them she gave a night of freedom. That’s a safe space
Umm.. I’m only a minute into the video but reading some of the comments I’m just smh.. for one why we expect celebrities to speak on certain things.. hell I don’t even fully understand wtf going on over there so I don’t say much I just know a cease fire should be made but besides that why expect a celebrity to speak on those topics… also how y’all gon tell her where she could show her show?? so fuck the black people that got shot by cops huh… the black children who lives were taken.. if y’all cool with her having concerts in KY huh.. in the same state Breonna Taylor got murdered at huh.. but Israel is where y’all draw the line… see this is why I stfu on shii like this because y’all are VERY hypocritical people… how y’all care about other folks over your own.. chile y’all are beyond me but ima continue watching the video but I’m not mad at Bey at ALL! Tbh I outta go see the film now since y’all criticizing her not nothing.. and I don’t even support celebs like talm bout but she doesn’t deserve this..
Its funny bc I heard nothing about her getting wacked . Honestly good for her. Its literally none of her business. She talks about what she loves..families..her spirituality and etc she lives by that had influenced her through her life and time. These politics and ppl better get to work. She cant change anything for anyone. Ppl on social media want wars about politics . Ppl need to go outside.
To be honest Beyonce does some black music to uplift and motivate black people not other race groups so to me she doesnt have to speak on it!!This isnt her or her communities issue to get involved in!
Lol she doesn’t have to speak on Israel if she doesn’t want to. She speaks on what she wants and what she doesn’t oh well. To be honest I haven’t seen any black celebrities really speaking on Israel. And black male celebrities rarely speak out and when they do it’s a bunch of ignorance. I think people just need a reason to hate Bey
So this conversation is about what? Because everything your saying is true and the people in the comments BUT take Beyonce out and add in any celebrity in America???? Sooooooooooooo. Not a justification just a fact.
And no black ballroom creators were included on the album. She put ‘Vogue’ on the album & the queer community spoke against that song when it came out because they felt like Madonna was appropriating.
I'm not trying to be rude, but I think you should do more research about Renaissance and the Renaissance tour. If I were you, I'd dive into the samples she utilized and the actual ballroom entities she included on tour. You can feel how you feel ultimately, but it's disingenuous and false to say she didn't include actual ballroom figures.
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Justin do you speak on every war or political issue going on in the world? So why do you expect celebrities to? Since you are a TH-cam voice and have followers. I now expect you to speak on every issue worldwide and if you don’t I will criticize you and not support your channel anymore
@@jjw1920 basically lmao. His hypocrisy is comical. He used to be such an amazing TH-camr. Now his bitterness is EMBARRASSING 🙄
You’re really a fool . Imagine thinking Beyoncé film was supposed to cover every problem within the queer community. Should she also have showcased how nasty and vile queer culture can be ? The violence that occurs within the queer community. Some people have been harmed while attending balls and almost lost their lives.
Secondly queerness should not be associated with the stigma of a disease . You are a walking statistic do you have no problem with that . Not every queer person wants to be known for that stigma . Then when artist like Dababy say things such as they all have that backpack 🎒 you are ready to cancel them.
@@masonmcqueen7834Bw are also suffering from the backpack 🎒. While it should be normalized to speak about your experience and seek help. It shouldn’t be the highlight of every discussion. They had no personal relationship with Beyoncé uncle nor did Beyonce have the right to tell his experience. She remembered him for his talent not a disease he carried .
I’ve said for few years now that while incredibly talented, she is exploitative and opportunistic. When it was cool to be Pro-Black, there she was. When it was cool to be African, there she was. When it was cool to be LGBTQIA+, there she was. When it comes to important matters, where is she?
This. Thank you for expressing what I KNOW many fans are thinking but won't say.
Only Michael Jackson did what he said he would always do and he cared about the black community's in ways bey didnt.
@funkpriestess9436 didn't. I think she wants to surpass Michael but she doesn't uphold authentic roots to supporting the community the way she pretends to
i agree and disagree, beyonce has always had queer people and music in her work even before she was popular from crazy in love to b'day. plus she has interacted with African music aswell during her 4 era before it was cool. She got African dancers and even worked with an African artist for Grown. I need to find the names and references.
Girl, her 'pro-black' eras are her worst selling and garner the most hate. So, try again.
Beyoncé has been pro LGBTQ+ since she emerged on the scene. Let's not start lying.
I love Beyonce but at the end of the day she’s a hyper capitalist. And no matter how much I love her art. I always have to remember that billionaires are not our friends , there is NO ethical billionaire /millionaire & rich people will never truly have the best interest of the people.
Yall just be talking . She’s literally one of the few artist that always includes BLACK ARTIST. Has made albums empowering black people , has an all female band , has made visual albums empowering black people , donates millions every year in houston and private donations … her husband also is a black man who is one of the most successful black men and is known for supporting the black community and inspiring millions . What have yall done ? Yall just talk to talk and want to find problems with celebrities becuz u want their lives
@@diamontaeandersons5503you literally just proved OPs point. Beyonce will be criticized thank you she doesn't care about black people, women homosexuals etc. her being tan doesn't make black people owe her anything
@@diamontaeandersons5503and ???? shes still a capitalist two things can be true at once 😵💫 you can love beyoncé all you want but regardless she’s still a billionaire and her priority will always be making a bag off of yall 😂😂😂
agreed.
@@diamontaeandersons5503yet she steals from people whether they’re black, white or else. that woman is NOT a saint and it’s the same for her husband.
I remember when Beyonce was "donating" to the Flint Water Crisis via ticket sales from the On the Run tour. Her fans was saying that she was generous to give to such a tragic cause. I pointed out that technically Beyonce wasn't giving anything; the fans were donating by buying concert tickets. If she had genuine concern for the crisis, she would've just cut the check and not even involve the fans. Of course I was attacked by the hive. Fans need to realize when they're favs aren't authentic and when they're being used.
Multiple things can be true. The critiques of her not speaking about and pulling the film out of Israel are accurate. At the same time, I’m not looking for any celebrity to speak up on anything. We asked them to do that in the early days of BLM and it was a DISASTER. Many of them are politically ignorant and uneducated even when they’re cosplaying as revolutionaries. Part of the cult of celebrity is people looking to them as leaders when they’re not and not fully using their own power to change things. At this point, she is who she is and every consumer has to make a decision of how they want to engage with her.
Very well said!
This a million times. Thank you.
Absolutely, I do not look to celebrities AND Beyoncé is somebody who’s made her bread and butter revolutionary aesthetics. She could at the very least at this point have dropped a cease fire/peace please statement.
Still excusing it. When you call yourself Malcolm X in a song but won’t voice any support with Palestine. When Malcolm X supported Palestinians. It comes off performative.
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As a non American (Jamaican)it so interesting to see all of this… Beyoncé is that Famous partly because of the fact that she is American. And that American imperialism through media and culture is one of the strongest ways America has colonized the world. She is a Black Capitalist, she takes from countless marginalized cultures and make millions. Americans deify that woman not only because she is an incredible artist, but because she stands at the intersection of class, colour and gender politics. And as we questions those things, there are so many cracks in the concept that is her stardom, and deification.
And just a extra tidbit: when I was in High School in Jamaica, she and Jay z were shooting that motorcycle scene in one of the poorest neighbourhoods in the city, neither Beyoncé more Jay Z have direct ties to that community, and quite frankly the country. Jamaica is in one of the most oppressed countries in the world, she has never once talk about it, but she dutty whine the house done and profit of the culture. Even her collaboration with Sean Paul, he’s a rich non black Jamaican, and he lives in his gated community, his light skinned wife is a Karen, she called the police on USAIN BOLT, because he was being “too loud”
I’m here for this tea. I’m a Jamaican also but raised in the US since 8yo, so I’m removed from Jamaican culture and engulfed in African American culture, so it interesting to hear this take. It makes perfect sense.
That last part about Sean paul and his wife could have been left out as it had nothing to do with your comment or the convo at hand. Nuff time me wha call police pon my neighbor dem too for having parties late at night when I have work to go early next morning. Thank God that doesn't happen all the time.
@@ToniaAlex13 girl you need to put Jamaica in the context of the rest of the world, instead of allowing yourself to exist in a bubble. Sean Paul is non black, the wife is barely black and the use their colour, class and privilege to continue the fuckery conditions people are living it, but he is lawded as Jamaicas great gift. I said that because it added context, especially as people outside of Jamaica see Sean Paul in a certain way and do have any understanding of his position in the society.
As for you and your neighbours, maybe if we had proper infrastructure to facilitate partying in Jamaica, (partying being one of the biggest and vital parts of our culture) maybe people won’t have to be partying next to you. And girl if you called the police on your neighbour they are not going to come, the reason the police went to her home was the address and skin colour…let’s be real for a moment here.
You’re trying to defend the people who could care less about any regular Jamaican dark than a paper bag.
@@johncrowbatty2000 I personally and like most Jamaicans don't give a rat ass about ppls color. I'm Jamaican, they are Jamaican, that's it. I don't care what color you are. One thing I don't do when listening to American media is let certain issues they face cloud my judgment or change how I feel about my ppl. Again, bringing up Sean paul and his wife had nothing to do with Beyoncé.
@@ToniaAlex13 and girl you’re acting like colourism isn’t very real and very alive in the country, just because you have accepted that way people of a certain skin colour are treated doesn’t mean I have to, especially when I was a person going to school with these people and got to see how much of their stolen wealth they’re hiding from the rest of their country. I went to Ardenne High, these people don’t even consider themselves Jamaican until they move to foreign and realize the only interesting thing about them is their Nationality.
I stopped messing with celebrities in 2020, the pandemic change my whole outlook of what I consume. Just like there’s no ethical billionaire, I believe there’s no ethical celebrity.
Same! I got my two fave artists and thats it lmao I dont trust anyone else😂
@@yendaaaa exactly. Idk how ppl went “back to normal” after the shit we witnessed
@@Vanjee24 Never again. The pandemic taught me so much about celebs, greed, how nasty people are lol, how individualistic society is. I dont plan on going back to ignorantville
Same! I unfollowed so many people and just unsubscribed from all things celebrities and gossip. 2020 really opened my eyes so much especially the imbalance between capitalists and the rest of the world
@@Vanjee24I agree they are fame hungry
Ms. tina addressed bleaching allegation but not a genocide, let’s be real
EXACTLY
She doesn’t have the range so I wouldn’t expect her to address anything other than stuff she can relate to…I guess.
Tina is the mother of a celebrity, not some politician or philanthropist; so of course she will speak on things that pertain to her. Tbh I don’t want to hear a damn thing from Tina or Beyoncé about genocide. They can cut a large check to fund aid, but that’s the extent of it
@@yageshabazz3456 when you google Beyoncé, Philanthropist comes up along with her other titles, Tina herself is also a philanthropist….
EXACTLY!
Stop centering celebrities in political movements. Then you won't be disappointed. They're entertainers anything more is an add-on and shouldn't be expected.
I think you missed the point. Beyoncé cosplayed herself as this political Messiah for the people. She interjected herself into these political movements like blm, LGBTQIA+, feminism, the democrat party and she profits off of it.
Thank you. She can speak on WHATEVER she feels.
And by focusing so much on Beyoncé and her silence you take away from the main issue that is Israel occupying and brutalizing Palestinians. That’s what really matters and what you should be focused on talking about instead of celebrities and their activism.
Bing Bong!
@@agustin1027it doesn’t take away from anything. People can focus on the main issue at hand but also question why someone who has been rewarded for being an activist is now being silent on such a global issue and also having her movie shown there.
The day people emancipate themselves from their lofty expectations of self-serving celebrities, will be a great day indeed. Them people ain't our people! 🤷♀
“People feel as if if Beyonce loses then I lose.” Wow. This brought tears to my eyes, it was incredibly on point. The only way a lot of us feel we can live is through representation. It’s a hard thing to realise but you’re right, representation cannot save us. 👏🏾💯
It never has
Individuals who lack motivation, education, or experience live vicariously through Beyoncé 24:7. Beyoncé is penalized for the lack of talent and skill among Black people. I'll continue my legal studies even if Beyoncé loses. If she prevails, it represents endless possibilities. People mistreat Beyoncé because of her superior work ethic and commitment to her craft.
Many of you barely supported Beyonce as a lot of people who critique her will say “I’m not the biggest Beyonce fan”. I just have an opinion on everything she does.
People have dehumanized celebrities to the point where they believe it is okay to criticize everything they do, yet they will cite the Bible and claim that God has told them not to judg. Clowns, lol.🤡
When Whitney Houston sang a pop song, the black community once booed and boycotted her. These are the same African Americans who shed tears 😚 Whitney is missed. The most astute realization for these artists is that, despite their best efforts, people still regard them in ways inhumane . Even if it isn’t intentional.
I remember reading a study years ago that said that the more people were invested in a celebrity, the less involved they were likely to be in social issues, even basic ones that directly involved them, and would instead superimpose whatever social structure their fave is involved in for their own views and opinions, which terrifies me when I remember that there were J people who were Nazis prior to the holocaust. This was also engineered by Edward Bernays, the literal father of propaganda. Stans are propagandised to not care about their own interests or their own community's, and that is dangerous under this system
@@paigealexander5601Not being the biggest fan doesn't mean people aren't fans...
As a fan of Beyoncé we also should be able to both critique and be critiqued on actions and words or lack thereof especially when it comes to very serious matters like the genocide in Gaza
A “fan” can’t do that. Look up the definition of the word👀
@@BlkOnyx0508 but a fan can do that. you can hold your faves accountable still
I’m a member of Beyhive and saw her in Atlanta for my bday (Aug. 16) and im glad another fan is speaking on this. I love her, but being a billionaire will always be unethical. She’s not absolved from criticism, and as an African girl, I find offense that she would make The Gift but won’t speak out on issues happening in Sudan, DRCongo, Tigray, & even Palestine (since Africans support them, & genocide ofc). We were just used for her profiteering.
Even if she couldn’t pull back the film in Israel, she could’ve made a statement in support of Palestine
I’m a fan too and think every human warrants at least a bit of critique. But I think you gotta respect the complicated and long-standing issue that is the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. I don’t know the details of it and I’m pretty knowledgeable about things in the world. Why should she weigh in on something if she’s ignorant to it’s specifics?
This issue is long standing but not complicated. What's complicated for these entertainers is how to maintain the bag in these trying times. They've seen that people get fired or lose monetary support for voicing their concerns on Gaza, so they keep their mouth shut or support Israel
@@jam6920 I spoke to a 55-year old former Israeli military soldier this past Sunday and asked him about all of this and how he’d e explain it to his kids or Americans who might be a bit clueless about it all. He was super critical of his own government run by Netanyahu but still was able to concede that the conflict was both complicated and full of nuance. It’s a little exhausting seeing Twitter activists be so black and white about an issue that they don’t even fully grasp and yet are vehemently urging others to say something. I’m sure someone like Beyoncé IS worried about the ramifications of speaking loudly in ignorance. She should be. She had a lot to lose. You don’t. And it’s awfully cute of you snd your zero reach and influence to demand that someone do something because you and a few others think she should.
@CHEETAH69 Wow, your former israeli soldier is evidently not a credible source: he has all of the reasons to be biased. Again, it might be complicated for people who have a stake in this conflict, a poor sense of justice or a poor moral compass, but the vast amount of international human rights laws that have been broken by an official government against civilians should make it clear that there is gross injustice. No need to be an historian, no need to be an expert, no need to be an activist.
Also, you're throwing daggers at a ghost there: I'm not the one asking celebrities to speak up.
@@jam6920 he’s absolutely biased. But he’s also more informed and more familiarized about this topic than most are. As an Israeli Jewish man, the bias would be expected to be against Palestine. He’s more critical of his own government while also admitting this situation isn’t as basic as you’re attempting to portray it as. You painting it as a simple fight between two groups feels grossly simplistic.
I just be so confused by the hypocrisy. Y’all make these videos and still continue to support these artists. Weird
It’s the internet. They do this bc “they’re holding their favs accountable” lol.
the gift > tiffany ad is a connection i never made 🤯 sooo true
Beyonce used you guys to buy tickets and music. Renaissance was apparently supposed to support lgbtq but not one gay artist was really on the songs ( background) and these only invited dj Khalid on stage for her birthday. Formation was a song of that time as you said she has to put on new characters new eras to keep continuing
Right. She and her producers were in the studio like, “what’s causing the most rage this year? Oh, lgbt rage is hot right now. Let’s make a gay themed album and call it “a love letter to the gays” like when black ppl were mad and we pretended to be black panthers”
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Did Kevin Jz prodigy the man who did all the intros on the tour and most of the songs is he not apart of the lgbtq community. Ts Madison , Big freedia.
Ts Madison has a Grammy from being on one of Beyoncé’s songs,
@@reianahmae7650right like these folks don't have a clue right now. And it's weird to be speaking on shit you misinformed on.
Beyonce is a wave rider. She uses whatever movement is trending at the time and pretends like it's her passion. When the BLM movement and pro blackness started becoming mainstream she put out Formation, when Afro beats started taking off she put out The Gift album and started working with African artists even though she still won't tour Africa, now she's using the LGBTQ community.
@@thatraspyshxt exactly she does a whole segment on Kevin in the movie but she had no gay artists on the songs ???
The title is absolutely correct and doesn’t start or stop with Beyoncé. I am a fan and love her artistry, but at the end of the day, that woman did not cure a disease or end world hunger…she sings songs! The same way politicians try to humanize themselves and speak about causes they know will get the people going and align with them is the way celebrities do when they want to market to a mass audience, and at the end of the day, we see where that goes….
She is not dumb…The same way she performed that gig in Dubai and did not perform a stitch of the Renaissance album or display anything with gay culture, let’s not be fooled that she isn’t aware of certain things. At this point, the woman is a conglomerate and ppl need to be paid, so the bag ain’t stopping.
But in this country , celebrity is the distraction. Whether it’s putting a basketball in a hoop or singing songs, these ppl get to be in places and spaces and see dollar signs the average working American will never see, and we can’t ask that you speak about or have any thought of your own about a topic because it offends people?! When it comes to Beyoncé or her husband or any celebrity they are not beyond reproach in my world, that’s that zany internet shit where ya pledge allegiance and follow ppl blindly.
Once the pandemic hit it opened my eyes to a lot and it’s all smoke and mirrors, most people are full of shit and are only in it for self preservation!
Awesome topic that could definitely go on for hours
Love this assessment
And feathers shall be ruffled. I’m definitely here for this ❤
This is why I will NEVER connect with this woman. Everytime her BEES ask her to have AN OPINION about something major she just says nothing and wait for it to disappear. Crazy how ONCE AGAIN she shows how all about her coins she is and only is
Because she’s not that bright
@@kasiahroy2082 I love Bey but she's barely articulate when she accepts her awards. I don't want to hear her speak on anything else. That's just not her gift. Let her express it through her art. lol I do think she's bright tho.
@@snewoNo, her team are the bright ones! She’s pays them to be creative
@@snewo Barely articulate but somehow her life is more successful than yours? Why is that??
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I'm a member of the Bee Hive & I completely understand your point of view. I also believe the film shouldn't have been shown in Isreal either. What is happening over there is so wrong and evil and it shouldn't be happening. Like you said there's nothing wrong with having these types of conversations. I actually love that these HONEST & VERY REAL conversations are happening more. I love the artistry and creativity behind Beyoncé but she is not invincible and the exception to the rule when it comes down to criticisms. Honestly, I think some of the fans are more bothered by it than she is and that's what's more odd and scary.
FACTS
If that's the case it shouldn't b shown anywhere hell...not even America, but where the hell is yall concern n uproar for that
Exactly, nowhere
That's y I don't take yall fake concern seriously....ppl everywhere
It's actually quite annoying
@@scorpiocara6798Peak delusion at its finest. We can care about multiple things at once. You just don't want people to criticize Beyoncé because you've decided through your parasocial relationship that you're besties and that she actually knows and cares about you. Why don't you just come out and say that you don't want people "criticizing" Beyoncé because you believe it's a personal attack on yourself and your own unwillingness to be critical of the stuff you like and you just want to enjoy problematic shit (and people) guilt-free?
@@scorpiocara6798 I can respect your opinion. But the truth is what is happening there is extreme and it's not something happening "everywhere." Yes every place is probably experiencing their own hardships and inequalities but it's not on the same level. And according to what's been on record...Bey has been selective with what she address and how she addresses political issues and situations. Which, I can understand when you have a public platform. She was very vocal about getting Obama in office and even BLM and and I am sure there are other things that aren't coming to mind at the moment. However, those event were also huge & heavy topics...topics a lot of others were afraid to speak on as well bc of the controversy surrounding it. What really makes what's happening in that part of the world any different? People with her influence unfortunately have a certain level of duty to the world & their fan base. The main problem with the industry is that it's saturated with a lot of "yes" men and people who are too scared to challenge the artists or talent because of whatever their reasons are. But, challenges is what builds character and relationships. There's nothing wrong with wanting better and not just more from the artists and public figures we support so freely. If ee can ask for a new album or tour from her there shouldn't really be any push back when we ask that she uses her platform for the greater good and meaningful causes. That's all I'm saying.
Everybody is political when they want to be. There are stuff people talk about and things they don't. I don't see anything wrong with that.
If that how you act say that, but for some of us, everytime we see injustice we speak up.
@@shanesmith-vn1ri you’ll find out soon enough
@@johncrowbatty2000you do you. Speak up when the moment moves you. Expecting others to speak on every issue especially those with more at risk is both arrogant and insensitive.
@shanesmith-vn1ri this has been going on since 1948. Where you been all this time?
She's never actually been vocally political; always performative.
I am not a Beyonce Stan but sometimes, we want to have things both ways. We want them to say something, but when they do or say something that we don't like, we condemn them for not having the range.
Sometimes, people can do more harm than good by speaking. I think that whichever positon she takes, she will take a hit and for what? The people of power don't care what she or us have to say.
What about the people in Israel who don't support the government's actions? Haven't we concluded that the people may be suffering on both sides due to the actions of a few?
Please don't reach beyond my exact words to create a narrative for me. If the opinion was not stated here, ask me for my positon instead of assuming what it is.
A lot of the work her and Jay do isn't advertised, they don't talk about a lot of their charity work so how is she performative? We don't get to see much of the performance. She barely addresses media and the fans (which is smart and more celebs should do).
Best comment I've came across 👏🏾
People need to realize, that most famous people are ego-maniacs, narcs, capitalists and have no to low moral compass. Stop STANNING STRANGERS. Nothing wrong liking someone's music, but when you act like groupies, you look stupid.
I dont love Beyonce. I like her music very much, shes a great performer, shes a beautiful woman whos talented asf. Ive been listening to her since the age of 8.
Still Dont love her. I dont know her. She is a celeb.. Nothing more.. She is not important. She doesnt DO anything important except for distracting me from the bullshit world I live in. Which has its function but thats not real. Its entertainment.
Being a stan has always been cringe to me.. Why cant people just like things and leave it at that. Ive missed a generation of Beyonce because I didnt like the music as much. I didnt see her, I wasnt thinking about her. Stan or fans arent like that. Theyll convince themselves they like things that their neutral about. Its strange. Even as a kid, this behavior was weird to me. I get it but I never GOT it. And its only become worse because of social media
❤ I love this!
I am so glad you brought this up. Thank you for standing up and being honest. Her stans act like you can’t say anything critical of her. It’s sick.
I love Beyonce as an artist and performer, but the stan culture leaves a bad taste in my mouth when it comes to Beyonce.
Beyonce is incredibly talented at promoting black aspiration and excellence. However, I have never considered her to be a political figure. As an artist, she often incorporates political moments into her work, which sparks conversation and provides entertainment. While denouncing genocide is important, the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is a complicated situation that involves cultural differences. I believe that taking a side in this conflict is what has caused it to persist for 70 years. Therefore, it requires a more in-depth analysis to understand and provide a solution to the conflict.
Beyonce's non actions vs governments that have been involved in the conflict. It is not fair argument. It is easier to target a celebrity than to hold elected officials accountable for their actions.
Just because Beyonce references Malcolm X in her music does not mean that she is an expert on cultural conflicts that black Americans may not fully understand. Even Malcolm X, despite his solidarity and support, was not an expert on this issue. Black people are often expected to stand with every injustice in the world and its an unfair expectation. It also is very performative to do so
Not every Black revolutionary took a stance on every conflict around the world. Their politics was about black issues and thats really it.
This comment here!!!!
Well said!!!! People need to take this energy for Beyonce and hold their local politicians who go to the Capitol on a regular basis accountable.
She is definitely an opportunist. I felt like the whole formation, black parade, black is king era was an act. All of the protests and things that happened in 2020 she jumped on the bandwagon. This whole renaissance era was an opportunity for her as well. She has never gone to a ball, a gay pride event, nothing! She had all of these lgbtq artists on her album yet didn’t let one of them get on the stage with her.
It all made so much sense to you. What a clownfish . Is attending balls and pride events a requirement for being gay? You demonstrated just how ignorant you really are. Not every queer person attends Pride events or is active in the ballroom community. A few are occupied obtaining degrees and engaging in other self-improvement activities.
Formation was a song that represented her identity as a black country woman 👩, in which she talked about her mixed-race background as well. She to the haters “You”. In the last ten years, no artist has made a political statement on that magnitude. Whether you like or not . The superbowl was controversial and political.
Beyoncé doesn’t need your permission to speak about her experiences or politics . She’s an opportunist but y’all still watch her moves religiously. Make it make sense . Black parade did not win 🥇 her an Oscar . In-fact her highest selling work has been when she wasn’t political. To pretend Beyonce a billionaire needs to cater to a demographic who can barely afford a ticket 🎟️ nor a cd . GAG
@@paigealexander5601 and I don’t need your permission to say what I said and see. Apparently others see it as well. Now moving along
@@lamesciathestretchpro Someone agreeing with you doesn’t make you right . Nowhere did I say you couldn’t have your opinion Ms. Blue tanktop and muscles 💪 . You made an ignorant comment and I responded. Even hitler had followers . Next time try to sound educated instead of like a clownfish .
@@paigealexander5601 As a life long Beyonce stan, shut the hell up. I'll go to bat for the woman's talent, but what we not finna do is act like she ain't out here doing trifling things to make some coin. Ivy Park uses child labour in South Asia, that's how she got that billionaire status, it wasn't selling records. There's pop girlies who've worked as long as Beyonce who've sold more music than her too and they're not billionaires, it's her ventures in capitalism that got her the status. Mariah Carey ain't out here with no billion dollars, neither is Madonna, and they were poppin about as long as Beyonce has been. Beyonce don't owe us nothing, but we don't owe her worship either, we can consume her artistry while also critiquing it. It's called media literacy, look into it.
“Beyoncé is political when she wants to be.” - like anyone else 🤷🏾♀️
Not "anyone". There are plenty people who do things in accordance with their core values--not to feed messaging support specific agendas and maintain an image.
@@0Lu.Lu0exactly..
Honestly - if Beyonce was Dark Skinned, I feel like people would've cancelled her a long time ago for some of the things she's put in her music. I think she gets a lot of passes and grace because of the appeal and obsession of her physical appearance. - especially remembering how quickly Janet plummeted and was blacklisted - same as Ciara being blacklisted at one point - Brandy being dismissed and being compared to Monica (not only sonically but...) physically - It's not hard to believe since it happens in real life in the community. I feel like thats why Drake gets away with a lot too.
If you’re making this argument on the basis of skin color, you have to remove Ciara-she’s “light skinned” too. Janet is also on the lighter side.
@@bharris4517 😬😬😬
@@bharris4517 Ciara and Janet is definitely not passing anyone’s paper bag test.
@@4everdee33and this is why colorism is subjective and stupid. Ciara is not darker than a brown paper bag. I met Janet in person so that’s why I added her in, she’s brown but I guess that winter I met her she was paler then and could pass. Again, colorism is stupid so I’m not arguing it lol. I otherwise get what you mean.
@@bharris4517Ciara like a caramel color
But she’s married to a ped….. Diddy is having his downfall but best believe Jay Z is NEXT!!
He started grooming Beyonce when she was 16 yrs old. I’m not sure why Jay Z being a creep is her character flaw. I do hope he get his soon too.
@@selwatchesytBeyoncé had a boyfriend at 16. Y'all sit on here and lie for likes
Jay-Z is not going any damn where
@@selwatchesyt y’all want Beyoncé and Jay to be Aaliyah and R Kelly sooooo bad. Chill. Beyoncé was of age.
@@CHEETAH69Cassie was of age too that doesn't mean someone of age can't be abused or groomed.
I LOVE Beyoncé down. Been to Renny Concert. But I think it’s very important to hold our faves accountable ESPECIALLY the ones who built their career on activism. None of us is free until all of us are. You can’t advocate when it’s convenient to you and her silence is part of the problem !
This!!!!
I love hearing you talk and keeping it real and your videos are loud and clear. I love it
I don’t obsess over any celebrity! I Know they don’t know us they don’t really care about us!
No matter what she's does the general public wlll never be satisfied.
I think our obsession with making celebrities our heroes and gods are our problem… after Beyoncé speaks on this what will that do ?… honestly ? Y’all think the wars are going to stop ? The genocides will end because Beyoncé talked about them ? Nooo none of that will happen, the movie is being distributed by a major corporation , that no one is calling out…but go directly to the black woman…she doesn’t have to address our opinions about such complex issues that OUR OWN GOVERNMENTS CANNOT RESOLVE. what does it say about humanity when we have systems in place that we aren’t holding accountable about major problems but choose to put the pressure on celebs… no one needs to study connections to celebs , study why you obsess over them so much to solve critical problems our governments are supposed to handle. I think all this is just unnecessary and this energy and reporting could go to putting a light on what’s happening , rallying to help however we can but no one is going to make be believe that removing a movie is going to have some meaningful value.
Thank you so much for speaking on this!!!
I will lead folks to this video rather than going back and forth about how and why they're deluded in believing Beyonce is above critique when it comes to her silence.
Black people tend to be the main group wanting celebrities to be political. They are not well versed or trained to speak intellectually about these topics. What we all need to do is learn more about our Black politicians who can put policies in their place.
Sadly, a lot of black politicians are like a lot of black celebrities. They're all about themselves. Black celebrities understand that while black people support them, white people run the entertainment industry. They are not gonna risk pissing white people off by being too woke. There would be no black celebrities for black people to support if the white powers that be didn't put them on. With black politicians, it's the same thing. They depend on the black vote to get in, but they serve white interests and ignore black interests.
Preach
the lies people tell on the internet like research doesn't exist but lie on
Beyonce is bout them $$$. She doesn't care about ANYONE ELSE THOUGHTS. NOT even Jay Z oldest SON.
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why would she care about him? that’s not her child
Ooop😂
@@benshapiro11who would want to be with a man who doesn’t claim or take care of all his children? That speaks volumes on her character tbh
@@Vanjee24 it hasn’t even been proven that it’s his yet…
Why should Beyoncé pull the movie? The people of Israel and the government of Israel are two different entities. So her fans in Israel shouldn't get to experience this film because of what their government is doing? That's ridiculous.
Yes the fuck you mean. They’re literally not doing anything about their government slaughtering innocent people. Most of them support it. So yes, no cookies for y’all mfs!
Thank you. Imagine people outside of the US holding us accountable for the actions of our government.
I agree.
@@Jajakay2They do. 9/11.
@@Jajakay2I mean our government does it to other countries all the time lol. It’s about her taking a stance on this very important issue. Which I guess she is doing my showing the movie there despite the genocide going on
I understand your perspective. Celebrities use social matters as inspiration for art, but they do not bring awareness and advocate for the cause. The reality is, some people are not purposed to advocate and bring awareness. Beyoncé is an excellent performer but I don’t look to her for awareness.
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And? Why do we want to put our thoughts in other people's minds. She's an entertainer She's not your saviour.
She'll never be Michael Jackson.
👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾💯tbf no artist will.
You mean because she’ll never sleep with 12 year old boys and dangle her newborn over a balcony?
@@shanesmith-vn1ri no she isn't, but she is a legend and that can never be taken away from her.
why does she need to be Michael Jackson? she’s Beyoncé 💀
Never in her whole life or death😂
So let me get this straight, folks are upset that a black celebrity who spoke up for blk injustice is hypocritical because she is not speaking on non- blk issues. The non-blks who are notorious for being anti-blk??? AND some black folks are advocating for such a stance??? WOW!
Palestinians are not anti black, and that’s besides the point. The point is that a genocide is going on. It doesn’t matter that the people being genocides aren’t black. Even if Palestinians were anti-black do you think Israel of all things supports black people??
@soulaanlioness And I don't support Israel either... Other minorities treat us like they are not minorities too but then want to scream oppression when the table turns on them...We will not fight for who don't fight with us. We've fought battles on our own that now benefit a lot of minorities especially in the Western world. Get somebody else to do it!
I think there's a bigger problem within the black community where we expect celebrities to be the role model, the activist, the politician, etc. Beyonce is a musician. Yes, she dabbles in social issues but at the end of the day she's an entertainer. She sings about empowerment (Beyonce Album). . . everyone cries that she's a feminist. She sings about pro blackness (Lemonade). . . everyone cries that it's inappropriate, performative or offensive. Sings about LGBT community (Renaissance). . . Preacher's preach that it's evil. Sings about Africa (Black is King). . . Oh she didn't stand up for all of Africa's issues. SHE CAN'T PLEASE EVERYBODY AND IT'S NEVER ENOUGH! I see why she put in bold letters "GOD IS GOD, I AM NOT" onstage. Maybe if she just retires everyone will be satisfied and then you'll complain about that too. 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄
You are spot on!! I'm so sick of these people with their bs criticism of Beyonce.
Art is meant to provoke discourse… I don’t see it as criticism but as opportunities to discuss topics
Why people look for a hyper capitalist to do anything is laughable. Her fans are insane though, so be careful out there Justin! Lol
I remember when Beyonce came out with her self-titled visual album and she was talking about feminism. Most of her songs didn’t have feminist themes and some were kind of antithetical to feminism WHICH IS FINE.
But I was so irritated with how people did not want to critique what was going on there. Choice feminism was really big at that time and she was using that to pander to her fans. I liked the album but I wish more people would actually talk about what was going on there.
Beyonce is still a feminist with a husband. She has supported women but having an all woman band, she staffs more women than men. Like it's not selective.
You are Absolutely 💯 correct.
It’s the selective outrage. I don’t see any think pieces about anybody else. Yall pick and choose what yall wanna be outraged about.
Idk no why ppl in the comments are like “im political when I want to be too”. Like ok… ,but are you a multimillionaire and cultural icon with resources and influence that could help millions of people…Also it very telling that yall are political when yall wanna be it’s one of the many reasons we have multiple genocides happening right now 🫠🫠🫠
What? Some of these multimillionaires are funding, genocide. Beyoncé is one. You can look this up. You can’t look up her private affairs with what she funds. She funds political houses while also funding organization, and nonprofits. Multiple things can be true at once. This is why it’s called “The State of Confusion” People are trying to figure out. Are you on a side? Which one? You can do good and evil all in one.
So us having political opinions all the time would stop Israel from bombing millions and millions of people be fr
If she pulls it out of Israel then she needs to pull it from the US! We are one in the same
This! Is what people don’t want to talk about.
There wouldn't be an issue if Bey herself didn't evoke these images tying herself to black activist movements and liberation in her music but then not actually speaking to it. If she doesn't want to be political, then don't put on the costume and then act offended when ppl call out it feels performative.
As a honeybee in the Beyhive, I agree that no celebrity is above critique and constructive criticism, including the Queen. Honestly, I don't want celebs to speak up about global issues. A lot of them are not living in "reality," do not have a worldly perspective, and ignorant. As much as stan culture has grown into complete negativity, it's made me step back from celeb culture, unfollowing IG blogs and celebs. I HATE to be devil's advocate (because points are being MADE), but idk if any other films pulled out of Israel or even if they could bc she/Parkwood may not be the distributer or had a distribution deal.
An artists duty is to reflect the times period point blank and the fact that people can’t simply understand this because it’s Beyoncé says a lot . We can’t hold her accountable/critique her we really never gonna be freeeee 😭😭😭😭
Exactly ❤
What does our freedom have to do with holding Beyoncé accountable? And accountable for what? She didn’t harm anyone. She didn’t slaughter people or start wars. The argument is we hold these celebs to too high a standard but in that same breath we fault them for saving the world with their advocacy. Now either they’re normal folk who need to be treated as humans or they’re otherworldly beings who must fix whatever ails the planet. They can’t be both.
The fact people can't have a critique of celebs these days is sad and disgusting...and how ironic it comes right as talent is at an all time low. I don't know why certain fans get off on so called 'praise' of their favs when 99% of it is FAKE or forced anyway. They are crippling the arts with this coddling. Then people wanna gasp when SOME celebs are abusing and using people in dark ways behind the scenes! Celebs are far from Gods.
Excellent READ this one hit different.
When bell hooks criticized her the beehive tried to come for her and call her grandma…they had no idea who bell hooks is…
I’m also tired of this idea that we shouldn’t look to celebrities to speak up. We’ve seen the power celebrities hold. Beyoncé says jump her fans say how high. When politicians aren’t listening and disregarding us THE PEOPLE (celebrities included) need to speak tf up. It’s also important bc as a fan I’d like to know where they stand on certain political issues. They aren’t all dumb they just scared of losing a check.
It’s crazy how Malcom X has discussed this already and people are still not listening. People are very insecure out here to try to project onto these celebrities.
King of Reads I’m impressed! Your educating yourself on serious topics that need to be discussed. Very informative keep it up.
Your commentary on this matter was thought provoking and intelligent..thank you so much for the truth. Totally agree with you on this one❤
You can't hold these celebrities to a political standard that we don't uphold ourselves. How many of us don't vote?
Vote for who? It's not as if though this political system isn't filled with fascists and white supremacists in both parties. One party is more loud, but the vote blue no matter who folk show their bigotry often these days.
Exactly always moaning and wining go and vote and take your frustrations to the government leave beyonce alone. Beyonce is an artist and she doesn't have to say or do shit. There is a genocide in the Congo don't see no black people talking about it or even aware and this includes you the king of reads. There are many atrocities going on in the world leave B alone. The woman has done more than many. If we spent more time in the real world and less time on twitter on in the comment section we might actually make a change. We shoudnt act for what we don't do ourselves and majority of people are not doing anything when it comes to fighting justice for all and that doesn't just mean what's in the news.
That part.
She took hungry and vulnerable young artists to a music camp to exploit them? What makes you think she cares about anyone else? The girl has always been questionable. Her entire career is built off the backs of other people. The making of the music group DC was for Beyoncé.
And she isn’t an artists,she is a performer and singer. There are real artists behind her who make her who she is!
Wait. When did she do that? I’m not defending her, I just didn’t know she had a music camp and took advantage of people.
This!!!!
Nothing will change if she says anything. Are we pressing other celebrities? Point me to the full videos on the hundreds of others?
Love this video and analysis!!
I agree with EVERYTHING you said !!👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
She is literraly a type of god with the type of reverence peeople esp black women give her
Young man, I truly appreciate this video. I'm so glad someone spoke the truth.
Well done Justin. Well done.
@@shanesmith-vn1ri Yes.
ThaNks for uploading had a scary situation at work recently
I’m so sorry to hear that. I hope you’re doing well now. Sending 💞💞
@@octopussy888 thanks
Seeing some of the comments are disheartening. I encourage us all to talk to each other IRL about the things that have us idolizing celebrities even when the contradiction of them not being “one of us” is disturbingly clear. This is not by accident, the idea of celebrity esp American is primarily to mislead us into thinking we can individually amass wealth to obtain societal safety and economic security, but most importantly to NOT seek community and organize around our own needs (fair wages, healthcare NOT tied to labor, community safety etc ).
Statistically most of us are closer to poverty than wealth, most of us will die at the same class level that we were born in and most of us are working class/poor. How are we defending people that continue to hoard millions of dollars when most of the world is losing economic security and basic needs, they are billionaires and we are in a climate crisis, they don’t engage in political rhetoric and activity that benefit the masses. These people are exploiters, they can make amazing music and perform their ass off but just as we hold reverence for Beyonces talent we must also hold the performative facade she props up to delude us into paying $$ for concert tix, perfumes and films. You can enjoy the escapism but don’t hold expectations of these celebrities to have our interests in mind, please engage with your peers to develop ideology and practices that supports each other because celebrities are not one of us.
i read the vulture article and it was not that bad. i saw somebody say it was a hit piece and cackled. Bey got folks so wrapped around her finger they can’t think clearly. it’s okay to critique those we love. if we can’t do that, even mildly, then who is it that we love? the idea? you can’t love someone whose flaws and faults you cannot see. don’t the lady got a song called flaws and all?? how you gonna love the flaws without acknowledging them?
I have never loved Beyonce...she's unlike other singers/performers who I felt there was a connection to such as Michael, Madonna, Mariah, Whitney, Toni, Janet..she's just not relatable. I see her as someone who wanted to become famous and she's done everything to become that. Not exceptionally talented and anyone who thinks she is needs a reality check.
Boy, don't you still stan people like Doja Kat and Cardi B (and consume Nicki when you have a mind to)???? *YOU* are political when YOU want to be, hun. You are also a hypocrite when you want to be, so there's that. You support people who have been anti-black and homophobic, so please don't. Beyoncé cannot be all things to all people. How about this: Stop supporting Beyoncé! Bet you won't!
Say it Louder!!!!
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She always been about that green she holds no loyalty to no one but herself. She gaf about what her stans think
Taylor Swift film was also shown in Israel among others. People should leave Beyonce alone. Hopefully Beyonce remains silent.
one was before another after but research is not for everyone
Bey and j are jane toussaint and dean big brother almighty from the movie school daze. All style with zero substance
💕I allow artist to be themselves, I do as I please for my namesake!!💕
Bey is about the Benjamins. Period.
Honestly I think if people didnt like that Vulture article then its because of the lack of reading comprehension. It was a critique piece which gave the good and maybe not so good. I enjoyed reading it. Even in this comment section they think its about Beyonce when its really about the fandom itself. The psychosis of the fandom. Media literacy is lacking as well.
I like Beyonce, but Bey does capitalize on what's 'popular' in the moment. People need to stop putting celebs on a pedestal and realize they're all about themselves, not for the general population. She should have had Big Freedia, TS Madison, and etc on stage with her.
Off topic, but in light of Diddy's allegations, I wouldn't be surprised if Jay-Z will eventually have his day.
Can you please elaborate on how Bey capitalizes on what's popular at the moment? If you knew her career, you'd know she's always been feminist, pro-black, and pro-gay rights. Independent Women? Freakum Dress? Specifically hiring black women? Intentionally having all female band? I'm not saying you can't be critical of her, but there's a difference between being critical and making things up. It's a well known fact in the industry that Bey does the exact opposite of what's mainstream most of the time. When she released 4, the biggest genre was EDM and 4 was an R&B album through and through? During a time of overt promotion, Bey surprise dropped self-titled? I'm only bringing up these points to say it's categorically false that she plays into popularity. She hasn't done that since her I Am Sasha Fierce era.
14:30mins. - I remember when she did the Tiffany's commercial and I left a comment under the video condemning it. Of course, I was attacked.
Because you didn't attack Lady Gaga as well.
I'm not going to hold someone to a standard to which they have not held themself,@@mae64khlo. Beyonce has deliberately stood for equality and anti-oppression, in the Black community specifically. For her not to voice concerns about genocide in Congo, Palestine, or anywhere else contradicts the platforms she's used to propel herself even further, including the 'Black is King' production-especially when she's promoting blood diamonds. It's also weird to think a Black woman would expect a white woman to fight against colonialism more so than a Black woman. I think you should try another take. I also find it ridiculous that people continue to compare Lady Gaga and Beyonce, bringing-up Lady Gaga any time someone speaks of Beyonce like they're even comparable.
As a Black transgender artist, it's ridiculous that I-with the little following I have (that is basically nonexistent)-am able to take a stand for what's right more readily than a billionaire.
@@Lin10uson it will never make sense to have more smoke for an artist that has risked her mainstream popularity to speak on social issues than ones that never speak on ANYTHING. Adele, Rihanna, Swift, etc. Bey has spoken about Black American social issues. She's not obligated to speak on every single global issue. If that's the case, Lady Gaga should be as well since she put the LGBT community as a main focal point of her platform. See the hypocrisy? It's preposterous. She should've never sacrificed her career for yall. It's never enough.
@@Lin10uson this comparison is strange. You're literally admitting that you have nothing to lose. Bey can't say the same.
I remember some people saying that she had no control of where the film was released, I honestly hope that's true and she has her publicist make a statement, because she won't say anything.
It’s her movie, she def had a say on where the film was shown
I don’t even know why that’s an excuse anyone is using. The Israeli government and its military is killing Palestinians. All of Israel isn’t. In fact, there are some Israelis who want a ceasefire and want Netanyahu out of office. And just like we don’t want to be blamed for the crimes of our often-trash government, why in hell should all of Israel be punished for the deeds of its leaders?
@destinylove1673 it's AMC. They are a corporation. Not some ran down company. She had no say.
Beyonce, continue to be quiet because you're damned if you do and damned if you don't.
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Grown folks, black celebrities and para social relationships. It's gross and weird. It reminds me of the show loosely based on the girl obsessed with her. 😳🤮🤢
When she talked about Malcolm X in her album I just thought of that interview he did calling celebs clowns. He would probably be so mad at what she’s done with her his name and the serious things he’s done with the black panthers.
Genuine question: Obviously, it would be wonderful if Beyonce was perfect and operated exactly how you all wanted her to, but what's wrong with platforming actual political figures? I'm not saying it's not contradictory with some of her choices, but isn't exposing a larger audience to the rhetoric of Malcolm X and other political leaders a good thing?
@@nopestopitplz6079 she’s not platforming these figures. She’s just saying their names and wearing them like a costume. It’s a complete insult to the actual dangerous and important work they’ve done to improve black America lives AND the lives of immigrants and other POC.
The people who care about these things will learn about them in an appropriate way so they can understand how serious and how life and death black history has always been
@@TyMarie92 Actually, she's not just "saying their names and wearing them like a costume." She has quite literally used very direct quotes from these figures in her works, especially in her Homecoming documentary. After all, we're having these conversations. Whether it's in Beyonce's favor or not, you and other people in these comments have made it very clear that you expect her to be an activist because she's acknowledged revolutionary movements in her art before. In an ironic way, she is sort of sparking a debate about our expectations of celebrity.
To your second point, if "people who care about these things will learn about them in an appropriate way," then why are we even having this discussion? If there's no way you can care about important political issues if you're learning about them from Beyonce, then why are we looking to her for a statement? Isn't that contradictory? And if one of our touch stones for this conversation is Malcolm X, then aren't we doing him a disservice by centering any celebrity in these conflicts, considering he very blatantly stood against that?
Beyonce is political enough. Why should she ruin her career trying to be a freedom fighter when she's a singer and a dancer 🤷🏾
lol right
Beyonce is an entertainer if you have an attitude and someone you contact your congressman or state senator.
I think her touring in states with legislation against us is a tired point. Bc in all honesty she should have just not toured here with that logic. If anything it proves it’s a safe space simply for the fact that she gathered the community and more and gave them a place where they could be free and dance all night despite what laws are being made against them she gave a night of freedom. That’s a safe space
Umm.. I’m only a minute into the video but reading some of the comments I’m just smh.. for one why we expect celebrities to speak on certain things.. hell I don’t even fully understand wtf going on over there so I don’t say much I just know a cease fire should be made but besides that why expect a celebrity to speak on those topics… also how y’all gon tell her where she could show her show?? so fuck the black people that got shot by cops huh… the black children who lives were taken.. if y’all cool with her having concerts in KY huh.. in the same state Breonna Taylor got murdered at huh.. but Israel is where y’all draw the line… see this is why I stfu on shii like this because y’all are VERY hypocritical people… how y’all care about other folks over your own.. chile y’all are beyond me but ima continue watching the video but I’m not mad at Bey at ALL! Tbh I outta go see the film now since y’all criticizing her not nothing.. and I don’t even support celebs like talm bout but she doesn’t deserve this..
Whew I hope we can critique our local politicians as much as we do celebrities
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Its funny bc I heard nothing about her getting wacked . Honestly good for her. Its literally none of her business. She talks about what she loves..families..her spirituality and etc she lives by that had influenced her through her life and time. These politics and ppl better get to work. She cant change anything for anyone. Ppl on social media want wars about politics . Ppl need to go outside.
Heard that tweet caution loudly. Whooh!
This will never make any sense. Rihanna, Adele, and Taylor Swift get a pass because they NEVER stand up for anything. What a joke.
To be honest Beyonce does some black music to uplift and motivate black people not other race groups so to me she doesnt have to speak on it!!This isnt her or her communities issue to get involved in!
so what do you want her to do ?
because damn.
Is this the Wife of the Gentleman that said we’re pass Kneeling.
Everyone is tbf. I love her but she is a capitalist. She sticks with her class.
Lol she doesn’t have to speak on Israel if she doesn’t want to. She speaks on what she wants and what she doesn’t oh well.
To be honest I haven’t seen any black celebrities really speaking on Israel. And black male celebrities rarely speak out and when they do it’s a bunch of ignorance. I think people just need a reason to hate Bey
exactly they always singling this woman out for every issue that arises.
So this conversation is about what? Because everything your saying is true and the people in the comments BUT take Beyonce out and add in any celebrity in America???? Sooooooooooooo. Not a justification just a fact.
And no black ballroom creators were included on the album. She put ‘Vogue’ on the album & the queer community spoke against that song when it came out because they felt like Madonna was appropriating.
I'm not trying to be rude, but I think you should do more research about Renaissance and the Renaissance tour. If I were you, I'd dive into the samples she utilized and the actual ballroom entities she included on tour. You can feel how you feel ultimately, but it's disingenuous and false to say she didn't include actual ballroom figures.