Old EMD's, epic struggle and stall : Australian trains
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- The train is 9162, a load of grain from Ouyen to Sunshine. One of the locos is not powering and the train powers to a stand on the 1 in 52 grade. The problem is rectified and then all are powering but the sand is gone and there has been a fine drizzle of rain. All efforts to lift the load prove futile and it is eventually taken back to Ballarat to try again with full sand boxes and all powering from the start out of the yard. The locos are all very old EMD units and are on hire from preservation groups.
Shot with my Sony HVR-Z5P
Edited in Sony Vegas Pro
Call me an old dork, but I LOVE these EMDs. When I was a kid, we'd spend hours by the tracks just to watch them go by. Gorgeous. And the rumble and the sound? Heaven.
I would never call you a dork, I love these things too!
It's cool seeing smoke from the stacks from all of them simultaneously when notched up.
What a ripper video. I watch repeatedly for the stunning display of power and those engines!!! They almost made it first run. No humiliation for these heroic engines. Man I love them👍😀😀😀
All of them are still in use. There are a lot of very old 567's still operational down here.
Well if it ain’t broke…
Still operational sir?
@@rahulgupta43701 yes they all are
There are two locomotives of that model that are often parked at the siding for the flour mill several blocks from my house. They're still used to haul grain.
@@willk2623absolutely 👍🇦🇺
I've watched this clip many times since it was posted. To me, no other clip captures Australian railroading as this one does - beautiful Australian landscape, antiquated 2nd gen museum pieces in mainline operation, infrequent train movements, broad gauge track and the train stalling out. I grew up with Australian trains. Once I learned about US railroading, it was hard to look at my beloved Victorian trains the same way. Many decades later I guess things are gradually changing with the introduction of more modern power and intermodal operations. Yet for me, Aussie railroading will never be far from unturbocharged VicRail EMD's slugging it out in obscurity. Who'd have thought you can still see what I grew up with still running today much as they did in the '60s and '70s.
Thanks for sharing.
I find myself coming back here every now and then.. great video.
To hell with the criticizers, Rod. I put this on my favorites, and watch it every now and then just for the sound of 567s in the "old guys". This was well documented, and I thank you for posting this. GREAT WORK, Rod Williams!!!!
War baby here too...29th Jan.1943
there are losers who like to hit the dislike button. but they're losers. i also come back to this one every few months.
I ha e Netflix, but I like watching videos like this. Real to life. Thanks for making the effort, driver through to video maker.
First time seeing a loco power to a stand. thanks for sharing!
Bless it's heart. It put everything it could into it.
Beatynicevideo
😂 😂 😂
Justin Newhall bless it’s engine
Yeah, these old trains are only meant for passenger cars these days. They can't even come close to the power of a newer train which is why it couldn't handle this load even with all the help it had from the other engines. If it were hauling 10-15 passenger cars it wouldn't even need help, but this train had like 100 freight cars or more.
@@anthonyj810 If you'd bothered to read the description you would realise that one of the loco's wasn't operating at all, and because of that all the sand had been depleted, which is the real reason it stalled.
These old trains still operate in revenue service without much issue today.
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Chances are, I've watched this and many others of yours 30 or more times. To an old hogger like myself, "raised" on EMD 567's in F units, GP-7's and 9's, I still enjoy the sound and action. Rod, I for one am very VERY thankful people like you share this stuff. Memories are made of these videos! PLEASE keep them coming!!!
Thanks David, as long as I can keep getting out there and fight off the inevitable aging process I will.
When were these old girls first built???
rottysaurus The 1950's. You can look them up on Google as Victorian Railways S class, B class, T class or possibly EMD A7, EMD ML2, EMD G8, EMD G8B.
Rod Williams Rod, if I can fight off old age, so can you!!!! I'm "60" but my body says 80! Again, thanks for sharing!!!
David Poor Oh to be 60 again, I'm staring down the barrel of 65 mate
These sound so much like the engines I knew as a kid - what I later learned are Roots-blown 567s. The smoothest sound in railroading!
I wondered how could the electrical system inside that old EMD withstand that struggle for that long? That electrical system must be very strong.
Who would win?
A load of grain ¦ Some noisy bois
Is that you John Wayne? Is this me?
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@Apollo Aden ScAm BoT
This has to be , hands down, one of the best sounds in the world! F**king amazing! It never gets old - especially with surround sound cranked!
Very nice video, that's too bad they didn't make it on that run, even after laying a beach! You were in the right place at the right time!
Why am I just now seeing this? This is absolutely wonderful!
I don't know what the load was but it was within their capability if they had all been powering. One had been left off line by accident.
Fab footage from Down under, Beautiful sounding Loco ❤
Around 4:58 onward you get an idea of just how hard the engine is working by the exhaust blowing the overhanging tree branches around.
My opinion only, but I like to see these glorious old machines doing real work rather than becoming museum pieces or scrap.
the engine isnt really working hard.. its just revving at max to push out those amps. its those electric motors that are getting blasted. and the wiring taking in all that stall amperage
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Thats what I thought! @@johndonovan7018
Yeah
@@johndonovan7018 This train has an electric drive train? And the engines are there to provide power for motors?
I remember the GM back in the mid 1950's, the two stroke locomotives and the sound,It is the best video on the GM F7's, or the F9's that brings back so many sound's and memories.Great pro filming, with good sound.Thank you so much for that.Looking forward to so many moreBob
Nice video Rod! Altough this train had a lost battle trying to climb this hill, we had such a great chance to hear this amazing sound coming out of those engines. made me remember my childhood, when I could here diesel engines like these echoing through the valley where I used to live.
Ahhh, EMD 567's absolutely the finest!!!
I don't care, I just love the sound of e units.....I could sit there along that right of way and listen to them fail to make that grade for hours....I could sleep to the sound of these locos...
I AGREE MATE. THESE OLD EMD LOCOMOTIVES SOUND FUCKEN TUFF! THESE ENGINES SOUND FUCKEN TUFF! THE TUFFEST SOUND IN THE WORLD.
Of course these are related to E units. They are all EMD machines. The streamliners are more like a double cab F series or GP. One 16 Cylinder 567 engine, rather than 2 12 cylinders as in E's, which are a little bigger. The smaller hood units are T class with V8 567 r 645 engines.
So be it Australia or America (especially America, but for the heavy ore railways in Australia's Pilbara) 2 modern diesels would have considerably more power & tractive effort than these bunch.
This video reminds me of when , as a boy, I would watch the f-units struggle up Fejervary hill in Davenport, Iowa, USA., on the Rock Island RR. They would often stall and would have to be cut in two to make it over the hill. Thanks for the memories!
That name - Fejérváry - seems to have Hungarian origin!
That's awesome, too! It's a lovely location, and the freight-trains are just massive. Nice hard work for the good looking and time-honoured EMD's climbing up that hill with their inspiring engine roar.
She is a beauty and she is giving all she's got. Not enough for the hill, but more than enough for us to enjoy her. Thanks a lot for this video. Very appreciated.
Good to see 567 prime movers still earning their keep in hard freight service! This is great!
I never ever get tired of looking and listen to this old E-unit locomotiv working.... fantastic sounding two-stroke 567 engines and i know its not good for nature with old two-stroke but its so reliable engine nothing can kill such an engine think about it over 70 year old and still working hard👍🔥🔥
What would have solved it would have been having all of the units powering in the first place
Every unit was on and going because you can see smoke coming from every unit.
i OWE you a big THANK YOU, I have not herd that sound for many many a years. I used to watch freight being pulled up out of the yards by a mix of EMD'S, Alco's, and Fairbanks Morse. With Sparks of slipping wheels, smoke belching from the stacks and the ground shaking, I really miss those days as a kid, but you just made my day. Thank you on the great filming, with great sounds. :) Greg from Long Island New York. LIRR
Great footage, love the engine sound after they stall and the engines are denotched from 8 to 1. Wonder hot hot the traction motors were under those strenuous conditions.
Can’t beat the sound of a 567 prime mover in notch 8!
Amazing you were at just the right spot at the right time. Bet you knew something - he he.. Great video - turned the base up on my speakers and got my desk rattling in harmony!
I certainly knew it was coming but had no idea that it would be a stall.
The saying " Beat it like a rented mule" comes to mind watching this. Great vid. thanks.
Most excellent, love that EMD sound.
Flaming exhaust! Must be a treat to watch at night. The passenger train made it look so simple!
I love the sound of those engines. Gorgeous stuff.
They had a go still love old bangers they have style ,never get tired of watching them cheers
This is undoubtedly the most impressive video I' ve ever seen- or let's say: devoured!- as far as diesels are concerned. Thanks for sharing! It's truely great stuff!
My. Dad. Was. A generator. Tester. At. EMD. Helped. Build a. Lot. Of. Locomotive s. Nn
It still gives me goose bumps to see an old F unit still working somewhere in the world
that is an E unit not an F unit see its got six axles not four
@@IndustrialParrot2816not an E unit either, they’re a custom design based off the F’s built to the Australian loading gauge.
@@lachlanbaker2031 I know that now
The number of people who didn't read the solution but decided to crap on with daft comments about loco age is a worry. Two problems: 1. Dead loco2. No sandFix: 1. Get loco going2. Fill sandboxesPretty simple for those who bother to read.
GREAT video!!! You can really hear the music as that old girl sings her heart out.
those streamliners would look much more at home pulling some silver bullet passenger cars, than they do trying to haul freight.
+rhino2960; They ( S class) did both when new, and back to back or single, were common on Victorian Railways passenger trains.
Replaced on passes by N class & DMUs
dont hate the freight mate
Great work Rod- putting all those bananas on the line to get a perfect vid 10 stars
f units were built for freight service
@@bengale7054 They are not F units, these are GM locos built in Australia. Very diffrent machine to an F unit.
Wow, most impressive! Those ol' girls still got it, can't fault 'em for style or guts! Thanks for showing.
Being an old EMD baby, I look at this poor performance as simply poor maint.
My dad worked at EMD in La Grange, Il until 1976. I grew up with EMD as I was born in 1943 just a few weeks after my dad started working at the plant. Of course that was during WW II and they did engines for PT boats and other and other applications. Later years in the late 40's and thru to the 70's they specialized in locomotive work. They had the best locomotives that were know for their durability and reliability and still look good.
Woulda been alot better if they had sand, they're running wet rail with no sand
Paul Mika. So you make that comment from a long way away without knowing the curcumstances of this train.
Paul Mika here in ireland all our locos are emds great locos
Read the fucking description of the video you mong
The most sick trainvid I ever saw!!!!
Until the sand was gone there was not really much wheel slip, but the power of the working 5 engines just wasn't enough to maintain uphill speed.
A great word can be said about the build quality of these 50-60 years olds, being in notch 8 at low speed for at least double the recommended time.
I know that these loco's can take this punishment from when I saw their European sisters still in use in Belgium, where they ran on heavy grades at 50 years of age.
I saved this video to my classical music favorites :-)
Woooooooow what an effort from the old girl, you can clearly see no exhaust smoke from number 2 loco and number four loco, I was born in 1990 and as a small child my dad took me to see one of these at a train station doing rail works duties helping move the equipment back and forth from the platform
The whole crew are probably leaning as hard as they can on the throttle.
+Chris Rasmussen it has got some wheel seelp
hahahahaha
put the earbuds and pull the throttle on notch 8, prevent governor to slowdown, on all three units.
Add another engine, or dump the grain, What kind of fools are you?
to the point where they snapped it off
Wow. The sound of those 567's giving it everything they've got is absolute music. And that engine is a beauty. I have an idea now of what it would've been like to see 6 Southern F-7's trying to tug a coal train up Saluda or Rio Grande GP-7's climbing Tennessee Pass. Excelent video!
what a Hauling power :) and what a beautyful Sound and beautyful movie ;)
Love the powering down and back up, great show and slick paint job in the streamliner.
Well, you can't say the old girl didn't try. She had her ears pinned back the whole time.
I see what you did there. ;)
Well said
I love the sound of 567's...it brings back memories from my childhood of trains of the B&O RR pulling out from the siding in town. Puts a big smile on my face!
Wow, motors screaming and current meters pegged im sure! That's a lot of wattage being disappated! Can you say "glowing" traction motors!
I don't think these were pulling as much watts as they were sucking liters.
@@AnnaVannieuwenhuyse do you even understand how a loc works? they are pulling stall amp. the heat on every conduit is immense.
Well the rails got a good polishing eh?
Watching this in the uk...fantastic filming, the driver did his best!
I'm no engineer but I do know diesel motors. I don't think the age here is so much the issue of the motive power. lack of units I think is the problem. why beat the hell out of the locos just put more power on why the lack of power.
+Danny Soldano If you read the description one unit wasn't powering. Would've made all the difference in the world.
More than likely a power shortage on Australian rails at the time. I know there was reportedly one here in the US when oil was high. They were dragging out anything that ran and putting it in service just to keep up.
+BarnyardEngineering These units are from a heritage society, although several of the S class (leading) are still in commercial service.
+Danny Soldano; None of these locos have anything like the power/traction combo of modern diesels let along your typicle 180 + ton 4,400HP American beast. But broad gauge ( 5'3") is now isolated in Victoria and most of its higher powered newer locos are now on the 4' 8 1/2"
Dissregarding the gauge, 3 NRs or other modern Australian locos could haul this entire train (inc its locos, as dead) over this grade and 2 AC modern yanks should cope as well.
You are correct about Diesel engines, they generate electric power for the traction motors, but 4 of these locos are lighter ( bad for traction)and have less powerful engines than even a modern or typicle US shunter/switcher.
There was enough power, it didn't have the sanding equipment so it just slipped it's wheels.
No sand plus a rainy day. It's not a power problem , nor an "age" problem.
emd two stroke sounds f ing amazing
I always like the curved front of these EMDs. They were common when I was a kid and they still look more "modern" than current day styles.
Best looking diesel locomotives ever!
Well I think I screamed my voice out. Someone else help the train out by cheering please.
WOW What a beautiful sight!!! Look at all that wonderful VR!!! I need to do some gunzelling out west.
Don't know if any engines could be operated remotely, but I would have put two of them two-thirds the way back.
An amazing video to watch Rod, it had me on the edge of my seat all the way...You were certainly at the right place at the right time...a fantastic location by the look of of it....Bob
most likely dust from the sand but they would have been close to cooking
the EMD' sound beautiful!
In the US trains that have to travel up a steep grade usually have some engines on the back (helpers) that push it over the grade.
They usually do here as well, not too sure why that technique was not employed in this particular scenario.
+TheThomasSproduction i dont know why we australians try to pull 1000 carriages with one train it will never work
+Meow 3000 I'm at a loss to understand why you are making a comment when you seem unable to differentiate between freight wagons, carriages, locomotives and trains.
Rod Williams sorry for my stupidness i dont know anything about trains
No shit
Thanks Rod for a great video post . I believe it tells a bigger story of the difference in where money is to be spent between rail freight & passenger service .
They should fit the locomotives with some kind of winch so they can loosen the winch, move forward, break, and then winch all the carts back.
And that cameraman should have helped by pushing.
agun17 If you think that would work you're an idiot.
lol, if the winch can pull the rest of the train along, then surely the loco itself can.
I hope you’re joking.
HA HA that is funny mate. The bystanders should have pushed aswell. Slackos.
like a inch worm ..good idea
THESE TRAINS SOUND SUPER TUFF. ABSOLUTELY BRUTAL SOUND AT 5:50 THEY ARE REALLY PUTTING ON THE AGONY.
I had an engineer, back when I was a conductor, who one day was getting stalled on a hill with a big train and not enough power. He wasn't running the train but he was the conductor or brakeman. Can't remember which. I wasn't on this train and this takes place in the United States, the state of Iowa, not Australia. (Sorry) Anyway, so the engineer running that train was about to give up because they were going under 1 mph. So my engineer took the engineers seat and applied the train brakes while keeping the throttle in notch 8. Unlike what anyone would think, the train moved and picked up speed. It was a technique that he was taught during engineer training. Not sure why it moved the train; one would think that it would make the train stop, not move. Thought I'd throw that story in, it kinda fits in with the video.
@Michael Laing agreed
Cody. you can do the same with a car
Kind of a "manual traction control". As long as you have more power than grip, you can equalize the load between the wheels a little.
By applying the brakes a little, you reduce the slip on the wheels with the worst grip, while the engines still can overcome the extra load on the wheels with good grip.
...I guess.
@@bonkeydollocks1879 relax man, can't you take a joke?
@@mejestic124 who the fuck asked you
This has to be one of my favourite videos ever. it really captures the sound of the S Class. Listen to this video with good speakers and loud.... you wont regret been yelled at by your wife or girlfriend or neighbours!!
Becoming a Locomotive Driver was my dream and I regret my decision of not studying hard, I lost my dream.
You really don’t need to be a rocket scientist to drive a locomotive
@@spannaspinna But where I live its impossible now
I've lost count of how many times I've watched this clip, one of my all time favourites !
wow, they're are beating the hell out of those old 567's
Cos the bean counters in the office worked out on their spreadsheets that if they used one less engine they could reduce costs, improve productivity and get themselves an Xmas bonus. Clearly, it backfired but that wasn't their fault. After all, the computer never lies.
@@MartinJG100 Yet another guy who was too lazy to read the text, but still "knows" more about it than the guy who was there.
Excellent footage! That's what we called being in the right place at the right time! Superb footage :)
What would have solved it was if all the lead units had been on line.
Idk but I really really like trains because I live next to a train line all time we have big pn train and ssr s and the other day we had I one of those r train s never get vr trains tho but still I love train that come not just that they really really really long near shep but don't live there
Even though it stalled out, it still sounds and looks great!!💪👍
Love it. what a beast.
Epic doesn't begin to describe this! Most amazing stall I've ever seen in video of in life for that matter.
Love those E units!!!!!!!
vettebecker1 Not E units, VR S class built in Australia.
+Radzaification Which are based on F units aren't they....?
+dennis trident william Based off of F7's
It's amazing that the designs LaGrange came up with have lasted so long!
I liked the colours and design of the paint. It reminds me of the Erie F units.
look more like the bigger six axle E units
When you try your best but you don't succeed.....
Fantastic video.
Love watching locomotives hard at work.
Proper thrash😁
6 locos and they can't make it? What's their power output each? Is is a problem of traction or of power?
Read the description.
Dang, that's some pretty small units then.
We used EMD engines a lot here in Denmark as well, and I don't think we have any left that has less than 3300 HP.
Heck, I think most of them was at 3900 HP, including the ones that was sold to Australia.
the B at the back is putting in 1500 hp each T in the middle is doing about 1000 hp and the S at the front is doing 1800 hp also there was a problem in one of the Ts
@@Grumpy_old_Boot You are talking about the huge Mz's with either 16 or 20-645s, but you also had the roundnose My's with 16-567s, which were less powerful.
@@andycsoe
Oh yeah, I had forgotten that the old MY's used EMD engines too .. heck, even the MX used EMD engines, I think.
To be fair, the last of the MY's were phased out in the 90's … so, about 25-30 years ago.
AFAIK :
- The light MX trains came with two engines, a 1425 HP engine, and a 1445 HP engine.
- The MY trains came with a 1700 HP engine, and a 1950 HP engine.
6 units on the point needed 4 on the tail n 2 in the middle remote control needed love these old units! Great video!
No remote control for these old relics. Need manned helpers or just more guts on the headed in the first place.
Ya just wanna get out and push ah
Sounds just like the Geeps and F units of America. What a beautiful sound and sight.
Gravity's a bitch.
Beautiful video. Gorgeous loco. Thanks for uploading.
i think they needed four more locomotives
Raymond Leggs No they needed all of them to be 'on line'. One had been inadvertently left 'off line' for fuel conservation purposes. It should have been switched back on prior to tackling this grade. Had the bonehead driving been any good at his job he would have stopped much further back down the grade and checked. It was clear to me that he was in trouble as soon as it came into view. I have driven one or two trains up here and it's usually pretty obvious how you are going to fare before the heavy climb begins.
Rod Williams So what happens in these situations? More Locomotives are brought down to help?
In this instance there were no more. They backed it down the hill into town and had another go the next day with all the units powering.
+Raymond Leggs it has got some wheel selp
That “Cranked up steam-engine” sound, *AND* a soot-plume?
Awesome isn’t enough. This needs a completely new word-hoard!
that was a waste of diesel....
yep
If they had just had the one loco that wasn't running on it would've made it probably...
Madness, what a fight. I like the old gm-emd machines!
Watching that sleek high speed passenger train blow past that poor old freight I couldn't help but be reminded of something similar out of an old Porky Pig cartoon: "Porky's Railroad." Absolutely no disrespect intended towards those old gals and her handlers. Loved hearing that classic sound from my boyhood again. Wish they still had these locos in use in my area.
It's pretty cool that you got to see them throttle all the way up and down right in front of you
!2 years on and still a good video, will pass this on.
Old mate was certainly doing his best to keep them moving. You can hear the back units let go and grab again, so he may have been able to control the slipping to some extent if he had applied the locomotive independent brakes slightly... but at the end of the day without sand he was in a losing battle. I only had to divide once, and that was due to locomotive failure. So 10/10 points for trying.
EMD HEAVEN.not the outcome u want as a train operator but certainly what u want trackside.great work Mr Williams.my favourite video ever.great to see & hear these old girls still getting around here. thou I wish I had the video camera back in the days of the gympie day train leaving central heading to Roma st with a 1400 or 1450.watching people recoil away as these beauties blasted away was a sight & sound to behold.nice work.
Our grain trains usually operate at around the 3000 ton mark so couplers aren't an issue. We have distributed power on a lot of coal and iron ore traffic but the use of pushers is quite limited in Australia.
Now THAT'S a railfan video! Fav'd.