So as always with this sorta vid, this is my opinion and my opinion only but after a big patch its always a thing we have to talk about. Everyone got changed, not every change is of consequence however, some buffs weigh more heavily than others, and some nerfs(or lack thereof) may not have the changes you think. So lets deep dive into it as you would expect and lets talk about some winners and losers!
God, I may not like Fortnite but man that smiling Ryu face is one of the best things to come from the New Golden Age of Fighting Games. Like seeing that image that’s me playing Ryu. Also man them making Low Forward Fireball work and this little hop kick good just makes me happy. They did that for me.
Every update patch is like opening Xmas present for Ryu & Honda. Sometimes they may not get they want, sometimes its not relevant, sometimes its a huge surprise. Kimberly was ignored until this patch where Capcom finally give her attention. So maybe next patch, another low tier who got ignored will finally get attention.
Suggestions to buff Lily: 1. Give her 1 Wind Stock at the start of each round 2. Make OD Tomahawk Buster *with a Wind Stock* completely invincible 3. Give her a gun. Might as well.
All i want from lily is her sweep to hit low twice come out faster due to lack of range or add another sweep that uses length of her sticks This is very wishful add and thats a fake dive something like r.mika had in sf5 where she falls straight to the ground
Aware of the parry buffer glitch btw but its pretty well out there at this point and if I made a vid its not gonna move things along any further. Hopefully fixed soon. Also hopefully fixed one day is Lily cause goddamn I never thought we would be at the point where I gotta come to terms shes actually worse than T. Hawk but here we are
I think she’s been kinda ass since they took away back jump condor. “Glitch” or not, it took resource, and was an EX version of a move so it made sense to me, especially when blanka basically has the same thing, being able to do BB while moving backwards in the air. It was decent in keeping away pressure and had its drawbacks.
I was a Lily main at launch and loved her, but wow playing her is like swimming up a waterfall. I would most definitely take T Hawk over Lily at this point. He has a better DP, the light MT keeps them locked in, you can EX condor dive off a back jump, EX spire didn't need buffs, and there is combo potential with him. Breaks my heart to see this is his legacy.
it definitely feels like they want Marisa's big defensive weakness to stay that way. I ain't complaining; but I do wish they'd let her have a little bit more options on defense. Also; totally agree on Lily. I feel like they are afraid to give her the buffs she'd need.
I'm making assumptions but feel like there's a pretty vocal part of the community that simply hates her character, and maybe if she was good would hate her even more. I might have seen the most toxic comments online towards her simply cause she's a small girl. Then also the whiners hate grapplers. I feel Capcom does take into account public opinion to an extent. But also at the same time from launch it seems the resources she may have been allocated was less than other characters. It's like a perpetuating cycle. Well we made a character not many people loved so why spend resources making her better when no one plays her?
I kinda wish they gave Lily some of the moves Omega T. Hawk had, mixed with Jamie's Drink mechanic. Each Wind Stock should add an Omega move, like the ground projectile, the straight upwards Condor Spire, etc, in addition to what they already do.
I think one of the coolest things never mentioned is how dope you are at fighting games. I see you running combos on every single character lol. Your amazing!
chun did alright, snuck in a few actually nice buffs that nobody will blink twice about unless you know her, but actually being able to use HK sbk? ill take it lol
I had a bad habit of using OD sumo march when I really shouldn't because I loved getting that extra damage from either HP or second hit HK into launcher. It feels sooo good being able to do it meterless now.
What they need to do with Lily is turn her into a better grapple character. She should use her weapons for mid range opponent reposition control. Punches will yank them out of the air and ground will pull them in close for attacks. Heavys will do a knock down side switch, but Lily will be positioned out of range to follow up like any throw should be.
Lily and Ken are the complete opposite 🤦🏻♂️ Lily never gets shit and is always horrible, Ken has everything and they never do shit to try to bring him closer to the rest of the cast🤦🏻♂️ they both have never changed since the game came out when it comes to the way they play
I have had a Ryu guide on the mind for quite some time actually, I have very, very extensive notes on him. However I expect Season 3 to be the really big game-warping kinda patch, and im saving a lot of that stuff until then. There's nothing i hate more than guides that can't stand the test of time. That said we will see, the next few days will shape the rest of the months videos
As a Lily main, yeah... I was expecting to get screwed over; but on the whole, this balance patch is really good. The difference between best tier and worst tier is surprisingly small, and Capcom should be proud of excellent balance here.
@@hotcocothepogchampion3950 This makes no sense because Ed has nothing to do with Chun, and as a Chun main, I have never thought "Hmm with these Nerfs, let me check out another character. But who?... I know! Ed!!"-- FOH lmfaooo
I don't play SF6, but I feel the problem with Lily is that they're buffing the buffed moves to be as good or even slightly better than T.Hawks, when the normal ones should already be just as good as his, and the buffed ones should be even crazier. Nobody wants to use buffs to be just as good as the rest of the cast. Buffs need to put you above. Ryu still functions without the denjin buff. Honda can still slap without the sumo buff. Condor Spire seems kinda dead without the wind buff. Again, I'm not playing SF6, so I might be talking out of my ass. But that is what I see.
i honestly wouldn't be opposed to just dropping the buff mechanic entirely and making the buffed versions just the defaults. it feels like they only shoehorned it in to have some way to make her not just t hawk but then she's just t hawk but worse so there's no point really
Well that new patches and giant attack event is OK, but, I wonder when Mai's trailer is coming next year after that? Like everybody wants to see her as a Fatal Fury guest you know.😏😏
You're right. I think the new patches was...alright to me too. But, still, I hope Mai comes for her trailer, like her new teaser trailer or full trailer or both! That's what she do.😎😎
Honda's ex command grab is so damn satisfying to land, and thanks to these changes I will be landing it more than ever. Thanks Capcom! Also, as a former Lily main...what the heck, Capcom?
Finally Honda has some real useable tools to mix up the opponent and put the pressure on. OD stance slap is very good to close the gap and force a defensive decision out of the opponent. Oicho being a frame faster means it beats out jab after they block the slap, and you're +3 so jab will catch a jump or throw tech. The QOL improvement to stand HP confirming normally to sumo launcher was much needed as well
theres no one buff that matters, no one thing will fix her, shes fundamentally flawed and a strictly worse version of the character shes designed to imitate
@rooflemonger so what makes T-Hawk serviceable that Lily doesn't have? Is it his range on his moves? The frame data after throws? The cross up Dive? Maybe see needs more plus on block normals? I've watched all of your videos (love them all btw) and I want some hope for my girl. Casual Loly player, but I made master rank with her. I enjoy her Playstyle and can see her potential, but oro number don't lie, El Chakotay the only one to really make her work and even he's pissed at this new mix up game they gave her and not fixing other stuff.
I’m so happy Kimberly got buffed again and in a MEANINGFUL way the last thing I’d ask for (which she’d prolly never get) is invincible tastu to help with her defense
@@djsugarbear6715 idk about op, she’d be top 10 for sure tho….but in the patch notes they clearly stated that she’s supposed to specialize in offense…so I get y giving her defensive options is not really something on their radar….but STILL, it would be nice to have one
I get that you're crestfallen about Lily, but I don't think you just rework everything. I think you just need like... that level of USF4 T. Hawk at base and then for giving up your oki for wind to do something other than make T-buster and Spire/Dive funtional moves. If I had to make the changes, I'd probably make having stocks give her a wind box or something that limits the opponent's options.
It is really frustrating as a Lily player. I don't want to choose another character, and like you said, she isn't an easy character as you have to navigate a lot more than others. We have people like Broski calling her 2HP a top 5 normal in the game. It definitely isn't. Just because it is a one size fits all normal doesn't make it better than a lot of others. There are more active anti airs. There are better hard punish normals like Ken's standing HP, Ryu's, Cammy's, JP's etc. Her lows are terrible, her overhead is terrible. I think a really good change to her to make her scary would be to give her a plus on block button (she has none that are normals), and have her do a lot more drive gauge chip.
Damn I haven't played the game in a while but honestly it feels like the meta hasn't changed that much from luanch tbh besides maybe Luke I remember him being top tier and he doesn't seem to be anymore but again i haven't played the game in a while oh well despite Kimberly still being kid tier I hope she gets to shine more with this patch.
I honestly don't mind the Ed nerfs much. Fishing is dangerous in SF6, so I don't really make a habit of whiffing. But I still think the reverse kill rush nerf was unnecessary. It wasn't super strong to begin with, and now it can't even do what it's designed to do. It's pretty much useless now. But Ed's game plan is still the same, so I'm not really hurting over it.
I still feel Luke shoulda been added as a.winner if not an honorable mentioned, like he partially got his damage back and his OD sandblast/fatal shot now wall splat. but I guess that's fine as to Lily being the loser in this patch, like I personally don't really think she's overall bad to say given her success in Combo Breaker but I do agree in"some ways" that she needs to be rework somehow. I say that cause much like with E. Honda players think he either be rework as well with how "quote on quote" some of his moves are a bit brain dead and to some extent the same could be said for Lily. Like Lily is no T. Hawk but SF6 is no SF4, the game mechanics and such are not in the same line as to the old game and T. Hawk even if he was added in 6 might not fair good as well tbh. I still she's overall okay but we'll have to see later in the long run how well she performs in tournaments later on.
I actually like that Honda's headbutt was nerfed because it was frustrating for players to try anything after blocking headbutt, only to get headbutt again or whiff punished. So I think Capcom wants it more of an anti air/neutral tool without it being as oppressive as it was and instead allowing his new run slaps to take it's place.
I get why Capcom is afraid to mitigate Marisa;s weaknesses or buff her too much. She does so much damage that the right buff risks making her SFV season 3 Abigail. But I say that’s coward mentality! Let her be Abigail!
So, there's a couple of people now who've said Lily might need a more extensive overhaul. I was wondering, historically has that ever happened in a fighting game, where a character gets reworked and has a significantly different gameplan?
Shout out to another E Honda fan. Its nice to see him get some love with all the hate. I think the hate comes from the cheese people sling with him when they don't know how to fully play him at higher levels.
Lily just needs to go back to the drawing board. I really like the character and don't want to drop her, but man her playstyle does not work in this game
I think Honda should be able to charge spirit like ryu does his denjin so after certain strings of a grab he can go into auto charge, drink, etc I mean honestly this denjin or Jamie's drinks are far more dangerous I think and it'd give him some looping threat multiplier lol
Reeks of somone on the design team that struggled with T Hawk at this point. It almost seems personal at this point, ignoring the lowest tier for a few balance patches now
It's unfortunate because there's a few signs that kinda point to the theory that Lily was the last character they finalized for the base game even with the game's internal delay at Capcom, so she probably didn't get the same chance to reach her full potential the way other base roster and DLC characters do, I feel like at this point the only real chance she has for truly substantial changes is with a Super SF6 revamping her character
There is speculation that Lily was one of the last characters to be “finished” before release and that she was rushed because of that. When the games roster was leaked prior to launch, she was the only character who went through a design change for her default costume. Also she is the only character in the game to be missing a separate animation for parrying lows, she reuse the stand parry animation for parrying anything. Her one note gameplay seems to be symptom of not enough dev time for her. And they don’t know what to do to fix her without big changes. It’s sad.
@@MJTH It sucks because I really do like her as a character and as a gameplay concept, but I can’t help but wonder what she could’ve been like if she ended up being DLC and given the same level of polish characters like Rashid and AKI got
That makes me wonder, has there ever been a fighting character to get a rework during the lifecycle of 1 game? I know it's common with mobas, hero shooters, and mmos. Although you could argue new expansions are new games for the latter and I think Overwatch is the only hero shooter to get a sequel.
Maybe Lili needs another move or something. It's not as crazy as it sounds because Menat and Ryu both got new special moves mid game in SF5 to complete their kit.
Can you cover that a Honda can punish rashid's level 2 but you also left out that rashid's current setup to using level 2 dozen work against Honda anymore no matter where he is on the screen. Example Rasheed does a combo that knocks you down then he throws out raw level 2. There's enough time for Honda to get up do his level 2 and hit the ending lag frames of rasheed's level 2
All of ryus buffs were meaningless. 2mk fireball has an input issue where you get a dp so you cant walk up and poke freely with this. 6hk tatsu is not that useful and who uses heavy donkey kick in neutral outside of specific situations anyways? For people below diamond rank, these buffs are awesome but for master league they may as well gave his fireball 50 extra damage. Feels like these buffs are just to keep ryu mains from complaining about the buffs Luke got which were actually significant.
coulda used more and everyone knows it, but drink rekka giving you half a bar straight up on completion I think is really nice quality of life. Basically you do DR stand Hp, and then by the end the combo paid for itself
Capcom has no clue how to balance resource characters, the only one that worked well was juri because building stocks is also a move that you use in combos and she's the best archetype of character.
Lily's wind buff should be a buff to a move not a requirement for it to function. All condors should be the buffed versions. Maybe a slight nerf if it is too strong. Wind stock should do something to other moves not just spiral. Even if it is just a just a boost in power. Remove the stocks from wind buff, make it a one stock move. Or keep the stocks but have it so you cash them out all in one move, dealing more damage for more stacks. Maybe increase the time to do the charge to give more risk vs reward, do you charge to get more damage on the next move or go for oki. Anti-air throw or air-to-air throw would be cool, you know considering she is an air bender and a grappler. This is all just wishful thinking. We all know they are going to do nothing with her on this scale. She really needs a rework but I feel they are too scared to do something this drastic.
for me Manon is still a loser in this patch, she is for me the second worst character in the game, she is just that bad. she got some insignificant buffs, that will not change her game plan at all
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Man, will they just give my manon something, shes one of the newest characters to the series. I dont need her to be high tier but damn there isnt much helping her. Also makoto for dlc, honestly the only character i desire for dlc.
So as always with this sorta vid, this is my opinion and my opinion only but after a big patch its always a thing we have to talk about. Everyone got changed, not every change is of consequence however, some buffs weigh more heavily than others, and some nerfs(or lack thereof) may not have the changes you think. So lets deep dive into it as you would expect and lets talk about some winners and losers!
Thank you for the great video!!!!!!
thank you for the kind words and thank you very much for the support!
God, I may not like Fortnite but man that smiling Ryu face is one of the best things to come from the New Golden Age of Fighting Games.
Like seeing that image that’s me playing Ryu.
Also man them making Low Forward Fireball work and this little hop kick good just makes me happy. They did that for me.
What about guilles ?
Whenever I wanna troll a guy with guile I smile at the intro lawllll
smiling ryu was the building block of the thumbnail, had that first then the rest followed
Anything Shinkiro does is gold. He loves to put young Clooney and Hepburn dressed up as SNK and Capcom characters.
That's from Fortnite? I always wondered!
Every update patch is like opening Xmas present for Ryu & Honda. Sometimes they may not get they want, sometimes its not relevant, sometimes its a huge surprise.
Kimberly was ignored until this patch where Capcom finally give her attention. So maybe next patch, another low tier who got ignored will finally get attention.
At this point, I want Lily to never get anything other than inconsequential "buffs" that never elevate her from Bottom One status. Just for the memes.
"Give Lily a gun"
I damn near collapsed, I wasn't ready for that lmao
The iconic Shinkiro's smiling Ryu.
Suggestions to buff Lily:
1. Give her 1 Wind Stock at the start of each round
2. Make OD Tomahawk Buster *with a Wind Stock* completely invincible
3. Give her a gun. Might as well.
Now I'm picturing her clubs with tiny little muzzles poking out of the ball part.
4.give her a T Hawk skin
OD DP with a wind stock should absolutely be invuln. don't understand why it isn't.
@@slimegirlgaming2142she a grappler they dont get invincible wakeup
All i want from lily is her sweep to hit low twice come out faster due to lack of range or add another sweep that uses length of her sticks
This is very wishful add and thats a fake dive something like r.mika had in sf5 where she falls straight to the ground
Aware of the parry buffer glitch btw but its pretty well out there at this point and if I made a vid its not gonna move things along any further. Hopefully fixed soon. Also hopefully fixed one day is Lily cause goddamn I never thought we would be at the point where I gotta come to terms shes actually worse than T. Hawk but here we are
I think she’s been kinda ass since they took away back jump condor. “Glitch” or not, it took resource, and was an EX version of a move so it made sense to me, especially when blanka basically has the same thing, being able to do BB while moving backwards in the air. It was decent in keeping away pressure and had its drawbacks.
I was a Lily main at launch and loved her, but wow playing her is like swimming up a waterfall. I would most definitely take T Hawk over Lily at this point. He has a better DP, the light MT keeps them locked in, you can EX condor dive off a back jump, EX spire didn't need buffs, and there is combo potential with him. Breaks my heart to see this is his legacy.
it definitely feels like they want Marisa's big defensive weakness to stay that way. I ain't complaining; but I do wish they'd let her have a little bit more options on defense.
Also; totally agree on Lily. I feel like they are afraid to give her the buffs she'd need.
I'm making assumptions but feel like there's a pretty vocal part of the community that simply hates her character, and maybe if she was good would hate her even more. I might have seen the most toxic comments online towards her simply cause she's a small girl. Then also the whiners hate grapplers.
I feel Capcom does take into account public opinion to an extent. But also at the same time from launch it seems the resources she may have been allocated was less than other characters.
It's like a perpetuating cycle. Well we made a character not many people loved so why spend resources making her better when no one plays her?
Man, I've been itching to get back to Ranked Honda. Time to scratch that itch!
I love Ed but I gotta at least make Honda my secondary after this
I kinda wish they gave Lily some of the moves Omega T. Hawk had, mixed with Jamie's Drink mechanic. Each Wind Stock should add an Omega move, like the ground projectile, the straight upwards Condor Spire, etc, in addition to what they already do.
Aki despite how small the changes for her, is a huge winner imo. Anything that made our inconsistent combos more consistent is amazing
Donkey kick really does feel like a donkey kicking you got damn
I pray they nerf the chick that move is dumb
The real winners are Daigo and Tokido. Their mains are still top of the food chain.
It's so funny getting all these patches and without fail every single Lily change reads like "her tools might work sometimes" or "you can land super"
Manon intro is back. We are all winning 👏🏾
Thrilled with the Kimberly changes!
I think one of the coolest things never mentioned is how dope you are at fighting games. I see you running combos on every single character lol. Your amazing!
You're*
@@FantasyYeet why would you make a comment like this? All I was trying to do was spread some positivity to our boy.
@@theturnip1111That's the Internet sometimes.
Ive been at the fighting game thing since '91 so ideally I know a thing or two lol. Thanks for the kind words
Wouldnt take too much offense to a grammar correction. Hes trying to help you@theturnip1111
As a Chun-Li main I’m happy with this patch 🤩
chun did alright, snuck in a few actually nice buffs that nobody will blink twice about unless you know her, but actually being able to use HK sbk? ill take it lol
@ yup :) thanks for uploading tonight
Me honda see patch. Me honda smirk. Honda happy
2:17 I didn’t know Rashid had a level 3
Maybe it was added in this patch, sweet!
I've heard rumours - *supposedly* it involves his camera somehow - but I've never seen any real evidence it exists.
Sumo bros, rejoice for the buffs we have received!
I had a bad habit of using OD sumo march when I really shouldn't because I loved getting that extra damage from either HP or second hit HK into launcher. It feels sooo good being able to do it meterless now.
What they need to do with Lily is turn her into a better grapple character. She should use her weapons for mid range opponent reposition control. Punches will yank them out of the air and ground will pull them in close for attacks. Heavys will do a knock down side switch, but Lily will be positioned out of range to follow up like any throw should be.
I'm the winner of the patch
yay
Me too!
I feel winnerish as a guy who mainly plays juri ken and akuma
congratulations!
A winner is you !!
The 40-year old classic...I feel attacked.
I genuinely laughed out loud at 25:09 😂😂😂
Lily and Ken are the complete opposite 🤦🏻♂️ Lily never gets shit and is always horrible, Ken has everything and they never do shit to try to bring him closer to the rest of the cast🤦🏻♂️ they both have never changed since the game came out when it comes to the way they play
+1 for Lily gun.
I sure would love an updated Ryu guide with all of the changes he got in mind. I've been wanting to get back into SF6.
I have had a Ryu guide on the mind for quite some time actually, I have very, very extensive notes on him. However I expect Season 3 to be the really big game-warping kinda patch, and im saving a lot of that stuff until then. There's nothing i hate more than guides that can't stand the test of time. That said we will see, the next few days will shape the rest of the months videos
hey man your videos are a great way to close my day. cheers
🙏
Omega sf4 moveset would fix lily completely
As a Lily main, yeah... I was expecting to get screwed over; but on the whole, this balance patch is really good. The difference between best tier and worst tier is surprisingly small, and Capcom should be proud of excellent balance here.
One day Lily will get her shot and fly like a true hawk, one day
If its anything like thawk she wont be good till final patch before they get rid of the game
Maybe the real winner… were the friends we made along the way
Rashid can’t keep getting away with it!
Went in expecting Gief to be taken out back.
Came out dancing with glee over Cammy finally facing justice for her crimes.
Kimberly and Chun-Li mains, where yall at?!
🫡🫡🫡
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They all playing ed
@@hotcocothepogchampion3950 This makes no sense because Ed has nothing to do with Chun, and as a Chun main, I have never thought "Hmm with these Nerfs, let me check out another character. But who?... I know! Ed!!"-- FOH lmfaooo
@@hotcocothepogchampion3950 I’d pick Rashid before Ed
Kimberly. ...She is relevant now
Kimbros havin can parties
They are terrified to have a grappler with mobility, so they keep her mobility poor, and her grappling is also poor.
Japan sucks in general at making any grappler and letting them do their thing
@@OhNoTheFaceSnk does grapplers justice though
One day, Laura will return and wreck shop
@@ceddygwap2795oh yes, SNK's grapplers are terrifying and I like it 😁
@@ceddygwap2795 Shermie would be sick in SF6
Three handsome men smiling upon the world. Nature is healing.
When it comes to Rashid, they nerfed the wrong super
I don't play SF6, but I feel the problem with Lily is that they're buffing the buffed moves to be as good or even slightly better than T.Hawks, when the normal ones should already be just as good as his, and the buffed ones should be even crazier. Nobody wants to use buffs to be just as good as the rest of the cast. Buffs need to put you above.
Ryu still functions without the denjin buff. Honda can still slap without the sumo buff. Condor Spire seems kinda dead without the wind buff.
Again, I'm not playing SF6, so I might be talking out of my ass. But that is what I see.
i honestly wouldn't be opposed to just dropping the buff mechanic entirely and making the buffed versions just the defaults. it feels like they only shoehorned it in to have some way to make her not just t hawk but then she's just t hawk but worse so there's no point really
Well that new patches and giant attack event is OK, but, I wonder when Mai's trailer is coming next year after that? Like everybody wants to see her as a Fatal Fury guest you know.😏😏
You're right. I think the new patches was...alright to me too. But, still, I hope Mai comes for her trailer, like her new teaser trailer or full trailer or both! That's what she do.😎😎
well we find out on mai in a few days. If she's at the game awards for a trailer then shes january, if not then shes feb or march
@@Rooflemonger Right!👍👍
Honda's ex command grab is so damn satisfying to land, and thanks to these changes I will be landing it more than ever. Thanks Capcom!
Also, as a former Lily main...what the heck, Capcom?
Ed didn't deserve this. 3 good players and they decided that one of the hardest characters was also in need of gutting
Finally Honda has some real useable tools to mix up the opponent and put the pressure on. OD stance slap is very good to close the gap and force a defensive decision out of the opponent. Oicho being a frame faster means it beats out jab after they block the slap, and you're +3 so jab will catch a jump or throw tech.
The QOL improvement to stand HP confirming normally to sumo launcher was much needed as well
My Kim can finally hit legend now
Manon stays losing. Better luck next patch!
going to need them Terry combos.
What EXACTLY does Lily need outside of a delete and rework? With her current design, what's one buff you'd say she needs?
theres no one buff that matters, no one thing will fix her, shes fundamentally flawed and a strictly worse version of the character shes designed to imitate
@rooflemonger so what makes T-Hawk serviceable that Lily doesn't have? Is it his range on his moves? The frame data after throws? The cross up Dive? Maybe see needs more plus on block normals?
I've watched all of your videos (love them all btw) and I want some hope for my girl. Casual Loly player, but I made master rank with her. I enjoy her Playstyle and can see her potential, but oro number don't lie, El Chakotay the only one to really make her work and even he's pissed at this new mix up game they gave her and not fixing other stuff.
I’m so happy Kimberly got buffed again and in a MEANINGFUL way the last thing I’d ask for (which she’d prolly never get) is invincible tastu to help with her defense
She might be o.p. with a real reversal, but I'll take a wall jump
@@djsugarbear6715 No excuse for the ninja to lack a walljump.
@@djsugarbear6715 idk about op, she’d be top 10 for sure tho….but in the patch notes they clearly stated that she’s supposed to specialize in offense…so I get y giving her defensive options is not really something on their radar….but STILL, it would be nice to have one
I get that you're crestfallen about Lily, but I don't think you just rework everything. I think you just need like... that level of USF4 T. Hawk at base and then for giving up your oki for wind to do something other than make T-buster and Spire/Dive funtional moves.
If I had to make the changes, I'd probably make having stocks give her a wind box or something that limits the opponent's options.
Akuma still doing Akuma things, Bison still kills in 2 combos, Ken and Rashid still brain dead... But sure murder Ed capcom
Alternative Title: “ How Honda got his Groove back “
It is really frustrating as a Lily player. I don't want to choose another character, and like you said, she isn't an easy character as you have to navigate a lot more than others. We have people like Broski calling her 2HP a top 5 normal in the game. It definitely isn't. Just because it is a one size fits all normal doesn't make it better than a lot of others. There are more active anti airs. There are better hard punish normals like Ken's standing HP, Ryu's, Cammy's, JP's etc. Her lows are terrible, her overhead is terrible. I think a really good change to her to make her scary would be to give her a plus on block button (she has none that are normals), and have her do a lot more drive gauge chip.
Cammy's EX DP doesn't cross up anymore. I just started using her, and I was like wtf man.
Finally, my girl Kimberly gets noticed! I'm surprised no one is talking about her finally getting major buffs.
Damn I haven't played the game in a while but honestly it feels like the meta hasn't changed that much from luanch tbh besides maybe Luke I remember him being top tier and he doesn't seem to be anymore but again i haven't played the game in a while oh well despite Kimberly still being kid tier I hope she gets to shine more with this patch.
I play Bison, so I never lose 😈
fk it, give lily 8 way condor dive and air normal ok after it.
"We determined that Rashid's Level 2 Super is too strong; therefore, we have decided to nerf his Level 1"
With Akuma’s health being so low … they did my boy dirty
ehhh i duno about that, just about every character would kill to be in akumas spot
I honestly don't mind the Ed nerfs much. Fishing is dangerous in SF6, so I don't really make a habit of whiffing. But I still think the reverse kill rush nerf was unnecessary. It wasn't super strong to begin with, and now it can't even do what it's designed to do. It's pretty much useless now. But Ed's game plan is still the same, so I'm not really hurting over it.
im happy about ed nerfs (i play ed). Nerf him again so i can feel good about playing a low tier
I still feel Luke shoulda been added as a.winner if not an honorable mentioned, like he partially got his damage back and his OD sandblast/fatal shot now wall splat. but I guess that's fine as to Lily being the loser in this patch, like I personally don't really think she's overall bad to say given her success in Combo Breaker but I do agree in"some ways" that she needs to be rework somehow. I say that cause much like with E. Honda players think he either be rework as well with how "quote on quote" some of his moves are a bit brain dead and to some extent the same could be said for Lily. Like Lily is no T. Hawk but SF6 is no SF4, the game mechanics and such are not in the same line as to the old game and T. Hawk even if he was added in 6 might not fair good as well tbh. I still she's overall okay but we'll have to see later in the long run how well she performs in tournaments later on.
I remember saying before SF6 launched that Lily might end up being the secret OP character. I am a foolish fool.
those of the hawk family are never allowed to be good :(
I actually like that Honda's headbutt was nerfed because it was frustrating for players to try anything after blocking headbutt, only to get headbutt again or whiff punished. So I think Capcom wants it more of an anti air/neutral tool without it being as oppressive as it was and instead allowing his new run slaps to take it's place.
I get why Capcom is afraid to mitigate Marisa;s weaknesses or buff her too much. She does so much damage that the right buff risks making her SFV season 3 Abigail. But I say that’s coward mentality! Let her be Abigail!
i think her #1 problem is bad anti-air.
Jamie is one of the buff character, why don't you mention him 😊?
just cause you get buffed doesn't make you a winner. Jamies buff is nice but it doesn't move the needle in the same way of terry or ryu
I’m spiritually 40 and I love the Ryu changes.
So, there's a couple of people now who've said Lily might need a more extensive overhaul. I was wondering, historically has that ever happened in a fighting game, where a character gets reworked and has a significantly different gameplan?
Shout out to another E Honda fan. Its nice to see him get some love with all the hate. I think the hate comes from the cheese people sling with him when they don't know how to fully play him at higher levels.
Lily just needs to go back to the drawing board. I really like the character and don't want to drop her, but man her playstyle does not work in this game
I think Honda should be able to charge spirit like ryu does his denjin so after certain strings of a grab he can go into auto charge, drink, etc I mean honestly this denjin or Jamie's drinks are far more dangerous I think and it'd give him some looping threat multiplier lol
Why did they make Lily if they didn't have any plan for her? She only has like 1 game plan, and that 1 game plan isn't even good. She needs new moves!
Reeks of somone on the design team that struggled with T Hawk at this point. It almost seems personal at this point, ignoring the lowest tier for a few balance patches now
It's unfortunate because there's a few signs that kinda point to the theory that Lily was the last character they finalized for the base game even with the game's internal delay at Capcom, so she probably didn't get the same chance to reach her full potential the way other base roster and DLC characters do, I feel like at this point the only real chance she has for truly substantial changes is with a Super SF6 revamping her character
There is speculation that Lily was one of the last characters to be “finished” before release and that she was rushed because of that. When the games roster was leaked prior to launch, she was the only character who went through a design change for her default costume. Also she is the only character in the game to be missing a separate animation for parrying lows, she reuse the stand parry animation for parrying anything. Her one note gameplay seems to be symptom of not enough dev time for her. And they don’t know what to do to fix her without big changes. It’s sad.
@@MJTH It sucks because I really do like her as a character and as a gameplay concept, but I can’t help but wonder what she could’ve been like if she ended up being DLC and given the same level of polish characters like Rashid and AKI got
That makes me wonder, has there ever been a fighting character to get a rework during the lifecycle of 1 game? I know it's common with mobas, hero shooters, and mmos. Although you could argue new expansions are new games for the latter and I think Overwatch is the only hero shooter to get a sequel.
Maybe Lili needs another move or something. It's not as crazy as it sounds because Menat and Ryu both got new special moves mid game in SF5 to complete their kit.
Can you cover that a Honda can punish rashid's level 2 but you also left out that rashid's current setup to using level 2 dozen work against Honda anymore no matter where he is on the screen. Example Rasheed does a combo that knocks you down then he throws out raw level 2. There's enough time for Honda to get up do his level 2 and hit the ending lag frames of rasheed's level 2
He would have to burn some meter in order to make the setup safe
Is Manon good now?
i feel like ken was a winner but ken is and will always be a winner so that goes without saying 😤💪🔥
where are juri and chun changes 🥺
(i already know them, but wanted to see my mains 😅)
in the big patch breakdown video. Neither changed enough to make them stand out as a patch winner for this vid
All of ryus buffs were meaningless. 2mk fireball has an input issue where you get a dp so you cant walk up and poke freely with this. 6hk tatsu is not that useful and who uses heavy donkey kick in neutral outside of specific situations anyways?
For people below diamond rank, these buffs are awesome but for master league they may as well gave his fireball 50 extra damage. Feels like these buffs are just to keep ryu mains from complaining about the buffs Luke got which were actually significant.
LOL give lily a GUN hahahahhaha
I reckon Lilly could be fixed with a wall jump and an increased walk speed
jamie 😊
coulda used more and everyone knows it, but drink rekka giving you half a bar straight up on completion I think is really nice quality of life. Basically you do DR stand Hp, and then by the end the combo paid for itself
Lilly still playing on the sidelines 😔
She gotta make her own highlights
She's like a diamond, she shines under pressure
I don't think they're ever going to give Lilly anything substantial.
Capcom has no clue how to balance resource characters, the only one that worked well was juri because building stocks is also a move that you use in combos and she's the best archetype of character.
Lily's wind buff should be a buff to a move not a requirement for it to function.
All condors should be the buffed versions. Maybe a slight nerf if it is too strong.
Wind stock should do something to other moves not just spiral. Even if it is just a just a boost in power.
Remove the stocks from wind buff, make it a one stock move. Or keep the stocks but have it so you cash them out all in one move, dealing more damage for more stacks.
Maybe increase the time to do the charge to give more risk vs reward, do you charge to get more damage on the next move or go for oki.
Anti-air throw or air-to-air throw would be cool, you know considering she is an air bender and a grappler.
This is all just wishful thinking. We all know they are going to do nothing with her on this scale. She really needs a rework but I feel they are too scared to do something this drastic.
Manon is where she should have been season 1 now. Seems like they just finished developing her and are running two years behind.
They'll give Lily a gun season 3, but the loading animation will take 680 frames.
What about Manon? 💅🏻
My Cammy is pure shit now 😂
Im still cookin with her
I don't need patch. I fight raw.
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Specifically honda lol
As a soon to be sf6 player the patch looks great. Might give ed/terry a try
Ed is great but difficult, terry is pure fun but you’ll love the game as long as you stick with it
for the love of god play terry. Ed is so weird I can never win consistently with the poor guy.
for me Manon is still a loser in this patch, she is for me the second worst character in the game, she is just that bad. she got some insignificant buffs, that will not change her game plan at all
Ryu is still a big loser if no one uses him... time will tell lmao.
i use him, im a ken main but hes still fun yknow
Ryu is consistently among the most popular characters used from day 1 to today
Go play in ranked my dude, Ryu's everywhere!!
@@Aggrofooli do... i get Kens and Akuma's... id get maybe 1 Ryu out of 5 Kens or Akuma
@@RooflemongerI honestly want to see him dominate. i guess my wording was poorly chosen. i want to see him more than ken or akuma
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Man, will they just give my manon something, shes one of the newest characters to the series. I dont need her to be high tier but damn there isnt much helping her. Also makoto for dlc, honestly the only character i desire for dlc.
I sense a pattern... you like Robbery characters
I am not going to play Street fighter 6 until Lily gets a meaningful buff. So disappointed with the way she has been treated.