It is extremely significant to Kurt’s character that he is a religious man and the depth of him being able to overcome and confront his father and mother’s lies is chiefly due to his understanding of the love and forgiveness that God gives each person. It seems like this should have been mentioned.
Mystique is about 120 years old she had 3 kids Night-crawler and Graydon Creed and by adoption a daughter named Rogue. The woman who raise Kurt was a ex lover of Azazel that why she raise him.
Sophia Wilson , your contenuiity is recommend after first class as you to omitted McCoy from her list of children. In cannon from the 90's when Marble still guided by Stan Lee was printing trading cards Mystic was confirmed to have 4 known children; Henry McCoy (Beast) , Kurt Vagner the disinherited Barron (Nightcrawler), Rouge (Marry) whom some stories claim is adopted, Creed Jr.( Hate group founder do being the "only human" in a mutant family) & possibility of other not yet known. taken directly from her card. I should also point out that depending on both your contenuiity & weather or not Apokolips is classified as a Mutant or alien in it she is either the 3rd or 4th confirmed oldest mutant confirmed on the plannet, the elder Mutants consisting of her husband Creed Sr. Aka Sabortooth whom in some contenuities is an actual caveman, insert the Egyptian Apokolips if he is counted as a Mutant, then Logan (Creed) as once again depending on the conteuity they are confirmed to be Father & Son in some while in others they have bean proven brothers.
While it was rather painful to read that, Nathan. Beast is not a child of Mystique, and as far as I know he has never been. Kurt Wagner and Graydon Creed are her only kids that are considered Canon, and Rogue is the adoptive daughter. As for Apokolipse, he is most definitely a Mutant. And Mystique is considered to be much older than 120 years. Logan and Victor being brothers is only in the movies, and Victor being Logans father was planned, but never executed in canon, only in a non canon time line. Wolverines canonical father is Thomas Logan. Not Victor Creed.
@@WinchesterxNL I thought Wolverine's father was something Howelett. Did his mother have a fling with Logan? It's been a while since I read the Origin comic. I might still have it somewhere.
@@Xeranx Logan's mom is Elizabeth Howlett, who was married to John Howlett, but Elizabeth had a fling with their groundskeeper. Thomas Logan. It's why he honors the name Logan as his first name. But his actual name is James Howlett.
Thank you for this. Mystique is one of favorite comic book characters. She's one of the first mainstream characters to depict the existential horror that would inevitably follow someone with the ability to change forms at will. The scene in X-Men:TAS broke my heart as a kid. Nightcrawler was so desperate to find his mother and have her accept him, only to realize she hasn't even accepted herself and just pretends to be other people.
If I may, you want Mystique's shapeshifting abilities so you can enjoy the aspects of shapeshifting after appreciating your insecurities. Believe me, hiding because of insecurities is not fun. Having the shapeshifting abilities to use as a wall will make you miserable.
@@Xeranx In that aspect, Mystique serves as a dark mirror to her son Nightcrawler, what he could have been had he lacked a moral compass: Both are blue-skinned mutants who feel inadequate due to their physical aspects. But Mystique is ashamed of her true appearance, Nightcrawler takes pride on his true appearance.
After being raised by Mystique, Rogue is very good at spotting shape shifters. She tackled a skrull through a window and broke his neck on the way down, freaked everyone out till the corpse changed back to an alien.
And this is why I hate Fox's Mystique. She could have been a formidable villain, complicated and unpredictable. Her character could have been more compelling than Magneto. I loved the way she manipulated and used villains more powerful than her in the 90's cartoons. But in the Fox-men, they made her cringe-worthy. Jennifer Lawrence's version anyway. Rebecca Romjin's was delicious.
MixedBrit 979 it’s because Jennifer had a lot of influence on the directing of her piss poor version of Mystique which is why people had a problem with her
I hope she actually ends up like an assassin in the mcu and not like how fox wrote her.I feel like she is a complicated, complex character that need to stay complicated and complex not waterdown and simplified.
I think they ended up scratching that plot because they planned to introduce Quicksilver as Magnetos son but then they didn’t do that. I personally dislike how the MCU has been going so far so hopefully they don’t ruin X-men cause they’ve had a very rocky movie run.
I really wish they did more with Kurt's siblings. There was a boy named Trevor Chase, a reality warper who was Destiny's grandchild. His mother and father where Justine and Cole Chase.
I believe she can now because her powers have been upgraded when she died and was brought back by the Hand. She is also undetectable/unreadable by telepaths because she can constantly change the structure of her brain.
The X-MEN has always been one of my favorite superhero groups and Krut aka Nightcrawler was one of my favorite mutants thanks for sharing your knowledge on this little bit of X-Man.
"Destiny was able to LOOK PAST Mystique's unique base form likely due to her blindness" >.> yup, it sure is likely (sorry, i found it kinda hilarious) Great video btw.
In the Wolverine origins Game it states John Wrath is Night Crawler's father, in the 90's cartoon it was stated that Magneto had experimented on nightcrawler, this was why Mystique abandoned him, in order to protect him, basically she rather see him die than tormented. He could have been spliced with Azazel's dna. In an alternate timeline Mystique is Rogue's biological father and Destiny was her biological mother. In another timeline Rogue had a son with Magneto. She had twin boys with Gambit who was killed by his father, Mr. Sinister who was pretending to be Mystique with his shape shifting, before she killed him. Mr. Sinister clones him a new body every so often then transfers his mind with the crystal on his forehead, he tried to break free of Apocalypse's control by cloning his old human dna with Jean Grey and Scott Summers dna but he couldn't transfer his mind to the infant's body (Gambit), so he toss it aside. Apocalypse made Mr. Sinister into a mutant so he had to obey him.
I tend to know most things about the X-men because I've been a long time fan but you've got a few small details that I never actually knew like why the mob was after Kurt. Bravo.
Originally Kurt's mother was going to be Destiny, with Mystique as the father due to her shapeshifter abilities. However comics at that time wouldn't allow something like that time.
It wasn't the original idea Nightmare, a Doctor Strange villain, was supposed to be Nightcrawler's father But back then the editors didn't want mutant characters to be related to superpowers characters we knew (Magneto and the Maximoff were stalled as a parents reveal because of that) This is why the Szardos were revealed in a crossover with Doctor Strange: They were a compromise to Claremont's original idea.
9:10 "Destiny would die an old woman. Something that Mystique didn't take very well" Well, she was murdered by Xavier's son, Legion, and her being a precog she knew it was going to happen. This kinda twisted Mystique even more
I know! Amazing! I just found the channel and the only thing I'd like to see is ATLA or LoK, like, that'd just be too good to be true, ngl. Still, definitely grew to me, I'm binging all the videos now in quarantine! OwO
9:45 EWWWW!!! WTF, Professor?!?!!? Also, Nightcrawler's romantic past with his step-sister/girlfriend always bothered me. Like....you grew up with her since you were a baby, but date her full on when you're a teenager. And then you're apart for about 6 years, she shows up under a new name and you DON'T RECOGNIZE HER IMMEDIATELY???? But then he does and ol' priesty-boy goes to date her again anyway!
@@tamatkya5922 I mean, I myself don't think it would have been creepy if he was like 10 when he got adopted. Adoptions doesn't always mean being apart of a family in that way
Sei Shōnagon ehhh idk I think that the people who raised you/ you were raised with, as family, is just as important as bio family. They might not raise the child well, and the child may not feel welcome or like they’re their family, but I don’t really see the difference between that and a bad bio parent. Also, I think ten would be pretty creepy. They would still be a child and the adoptive family would be really important to shaping the child as a person and raising them, and I don’t see a difference from a bio family in that situation. If the child was like, 16 or up when they were adopted I guess I could kind of see that, because they’ve already kind of been raised by someone else, and the adoptive family might just be more of a place to stay that’s not the streets than a family to the kid. I guess I could see that? But ten is wayyy too young imo.
Great vid. Hoping Nightcrawler will get a movie,he's gone through so much. That animated scene with Mystique! A mother telling son she abandoned him because he was an inconvenience!? That's some heavy shit,I was like 12! Lol that why after all these years we still love that show
i remember when i thought to my self, boho you can at least shapeshift to look like whatever you want while nightcrawler had to always stay in the open. the only reason why she faced difficulty was that she was pure evil and a bitch.
Wow, I grew up reading John Byrne's X-Men comics and Never knew that Mystique was Kurt's mother! And I wondered why Azazel looked like a Red version of Kurt in "First Class"! So I see they got it wrong when First Class introduced Mystique as a little girl in the 40's. Still a great movie though.
It would've been interesting if they were allowed to go with the original idea of Destiny being Nightcrawler's mom & Mystique (shape-shifting into a male) being his father. But I guess Azazel being Kurt's dad is less convoluted.
@@sophiawilson8696 Yea that would've been interesting to explore. But I can understand why they went w/ the more simplistic version of Azazel being Kurt's dad & Mystique as his mom.
@@BlackSuperman2099 Actually the "simpler" explanation didn't come until years after Marvel's "No Gays" no LGBTQ character ruling from the marvel editors on high. This also included finding out that Northstar didn't actually have HIV but was becoming "fairie" and being taken away to a realm of light.
@MG16NCP and his skill-set is bananas. Him and Mystique can both control their pheromones could you imagine two people having the power to make the other one hot for the other
I remember reading in her mini-series (of same name) a few years ago, a little girl who can "talk" to machines (whom Mystique is trying to rescue), asks her about her father, and Mystique hesitantly says "My father....was a very bad man". And that's it.
Uh Mystique did have a child with Xavier in this mainstream, a 3rd son. HE's still a baby though. Charles Francis Xavier II was conceived during the short time Prof. X was secretly married to Mystique. The marriage was revealed during with reading of Xavier's will. After his death is when Raven gave birth so its wasn't clear if he knew she was pregnant before he was murdered by Phoenix-Cyclops. Once she gave birth, she left the baby at an orphanage.
Now i got really confused when the Mystique had a lovey dovey with Azazel from X-Men: 1st Class around that time after that movie, they finally bore a son, which is Kurt from the X-Men: Apocalypse.. its kinda confussing why Kurt didnt call her "mother" on that movie tho..
Destiny didn't just die she was killed by Legion controlled by the Shadow King. She blamed Forge for her death because he was tasked with keeping an eye on her.
I know right? I was really confused when I first heard about that too, but maybe the Marvel Irene Adler was inspired by the Conan-Doyle one? Or maybe since it was so long ago that Mystique and Irene met, Marvel used the actual character from the Sherlock books and turned her into a mutant? It is pretty confusing isn't it
Although they barely interact during this movie (and in fact are antagonists through most of it), according to Marvel Comics canon, Azazel and Mystique eventually have a child together: Kurt Wagner a.k.a. Nightcrawler. He appears in X2: X-Men United (2003), played by Alan Cumming and again in X-Men: Apocalypse (2016), played by Kodi Smit-McPhee.
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It would be so totally dope to finally see her take other forms besides humans especially in the movies, because so far ever since the very first X-Men movie The only thing is close to other objects that she has ever taken that appeared in the first was a small statue of lady liberty
Raze actually said on panel that he and half brother Charles Jr travelled back in time to a point where Raze was a baby and Jr over 1 year old so as to not erase their existence from time if they altered their past
According to the official the classic marvel figurine collection mystique is Rogue's biological parent. It doesn't specify if she is the father or mother though. Check mystique's booklet.
So, I believe Raze (Mystique and Wolverine's son) does exist in Marvel 616 (Prime). He is born a little before the future version arrives in the present. In fact I recall the comic where Mystique pretends to be one of Wolverine's lovers from the past and they do the deed. Her powers were upgraded enough to fool his heightened senses.
there was a plot point set up then abandoned that was going to revealed that Rogue was the biological child of Destiny and Mystique with Mystique being Rogue's farther by shapeshifting into a man. This was going to be Marvle's attempt to tackle Transgender and Lesbian issues but the plot was abandoned for being to risky.
@@willberman1562 Quite possibly but I was sure they were going to reveal the reason Mystique took Rogue in was because she was her real parent must have been her real mother not farther
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It is extremely significant to Kurt’s character that he is a religious man and the depth of him being able to overcome and confront his father and mother’s lies is chiefly due to his understanding of the love and forgiveness that God gives each person. It seems like this should have been mentioned.
You are the only person I found who actually talked about Azazel and Mystique history. 👏 bravo
Absolutely!
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Finally someone mentioned Azazel
How could u make a Mystique family tree and not mention him? They literally had a child
So raven from teen titans is the daughter of hers???
Mystique is about 120 years old she had 3 kids Night-crawler and Graydon Creed and by adoption a daughter named Rogue. The woman who raise Kurt was a ex lover of Azazel that why she raise him.
Sophia Wilson , your contenuiity is recommend after first class as you to omitted McCoy from her list of children. In cannon from the 90's when Marble still guided by Stan Lee was printing trading cards Mystic was confirmed to have 4 known children; Henry McCoy (Beast) , Kurt Vagner the disinherited Barron (Nightcrawler), Rouge (Marry) whom some stories claim is adopted, Creed Jr.( Hate group founder do being the "only human" in a mutant family) & possibility of other not yet known. taken directly from her card. I should also point out that depending on both your contenuiity & weather or not Apokolips is classified as a Mutant or alien in it she is either the 3rd or 4th confirmed oldest mutant confirmed on the plannet, the elder Mutants consisting of her husband Creed Sr. Aka Sabortooth whom in some contenuities is an actual caveman, insert the Egyptian Apokolips if he is counted as a Mutant, then Logan (Creed) as once again depending on the conteuity they are confirmed to be Father & Son in some while in others they have bean proven brothers.
While it was rather painful to read that, Nathan. Beast is not a child of Mystique, and as far as I know he has never been. Kurt Wagner and Graydon Creed are her only kids that are considered Canon, and Rogue is the adoptive daughter.
As for Apokolipse, he is most definitely a Mutant. And Mystique is considered to be much older than 120 years.
Logan and Victor being brothers is only in the movies, and Victor being Logans father was planned, but never executed in canon, only in a non canon time line.
Wolverines canonical father is Thomas Logan. Not Victor Creed.
@@WinchesterxNL I thought Wolverine's father was something Howelett. Did his mother have a fling with Logan? It's been a while since I read the Origin comic. I might still have it somewhere.
@@Xeranx Logan's mom is Elizabeth Howlett, who was married to John Howlett, but Elizabeth had a fling with their groundskeeper. Thomas Logan. It's why he honors the name Logan as his first name. But his actual name is James Howlett.
@@WinchesterxNL huh
Thank you for this. Mystique is one of favorite comic book characters. She's one of the first mainstream characters to depict the existential horror that would inevitably follow someone with the ability to change forms at will. The scene in X-Men:TAS broke my heart as a kid. Nightcrawler was so desperate to find his mother and have her accept him, only to realize she hasn't even accepted herself and just pretends to be other people.
And Kurt realized that he himself could have ended up like Raven if he never met the X-Men.
@@jorgebersabe293 Could have been worse, if Mystique had kept and raised him he'd probably grow up to be a heartless killer.
Lmao who wrote this hilarious 😂
Never realized I wanted a timeline for this family till I seen it in my inbox lol
Repeatedly
Right lolol
I want Mystique's shapeshifting abilities to cover up my insecurities lol
If I may, you want Mystique's shapeshifting abilities so you can enjoy the aspects of shapeshifting after appreciating your insecurities. Believe me, hiding because of insecurities is not fun. Having the shapeshifting abilities to use as a wall will make you miserable.
@@Xeranx In that aspect, Mystique serves as a dark mirror to her son Nightcrawler, what he could have been had he lacked a moral compass: Both are blue-skinned mutants who feel inadequate due to their physical aspects. But Mystique is ashamed of her true appearance, Nightcrawler takes pride on his true appearance.
No she can’t change her scents that’s how Wolverine is always able to figure out it is her
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After being raised by Mystique, Rogue is very good at spotting shape shifters. She tackled a skrull through a window and broke his neck on the way down, freaked everyone out till the corpse changed back to an alien.
And this is why I hate Fox's Mystique. She could have been a formidable villain, complicated and unpredictable. Her character could have been more compelling than Magneto. I loved the way she manipulated and used villains more powerful than her in the 90's cartoons. But in the Fox-men, they made her cringe-worthy. Jennifer Lawrence's version anyway. Rebecca Romjin's was delicious.
I agree but why do people blame Jennifer it’s not her fault and she gets a lot of hate and I think she is sad.
MixedBrit 979 it’s because Jennifer had a lot of influence on the directing of her piss poor version of Mystique which is why people had a problem with her
Cash Cow still I don’t think she should be getting death threats 😖😖😖🥺
MixedBrit 979 I agree, the death threats were unnecessary and uncalled for
Cash Cow yep same but I do agree that Jennifer Laurence was a bad choice I only think she did good in First Class/ DOFP but yeah lil
I hope MCU's Mystique makes it known that she is Nightcrawler's mom
Ikr
I hope she actually ends up like an assassin in the mcu and not like how fox wrote her.I feel like she is a complicated, complex character that need to stay complicated and complex not waterdown and simplified.
I think they ended up scratching that plot because they planned to introduce Quicksilver as Magnetos son but then they didn’t do that. I personally dislike how the MCU has been going so far so hopefully they don’t ruin X-men cause they’ve had a very rocky movie run.
The old X-Men cartoons did, if only Disney Marvel would also.
Ben Siener honestly that’s what it feels like to say that online. I feel like all the hardcore MCU Fan boys treat these movies like gold
I really wish they did more with Kurt's siblings. There was a boy named Trevor Chase, a reality warper who was Destiny's grandchild. His mother and father where Justine and Cole Chase.
I remember watching that Nightcrawler scene in X2 as a kid
and thinking it was the greatest thing put on the big screen...
It still is pretty solid. Lol (imo)
You made a mistake about night crawler he didn't have blue skin he had blue fur
Yeah me too !
@@PittsburghSonido Easily up there with both of Quicksilver's scenes in the more recent movies.
@Jay Wilson well no, Nightcrawler has blue fur. It's so fine that from afar it looks like his skin, hence the nickname "Fuzzy elf"
Nightcrawler and Amanda are literally "what are you doing step-bro?"
She can not change her sent. Wolverine knows her sent when she changes for person to person
scent***
I believe she can now because her powers have been upgraded when she died and was brought back by the Hand. She is also undetectable/unreadable by telepaths because she can constantly change the structure of her brain.
@@LunaticReason thats actually a pretty interesting theory
but how did she fool sabertooth then?
@@DrBeastMcCoy Right !
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The X-MEN has always been one of my favorite superhero groups and Krut aka Nightcrawler was one of my favorite mutants thanks for sharing your knowledge on this little bit of X-Man.
you’re the only person I found who actually talked about Anne Marie and Mystique history who sing 2002 and FRIENDS. periodt!
9:45 Why does Charles look so evil
Ikr
Its his son
@@ringgame legion??
because he recruited another fool to run his agenda hoping he can get close an teleport to magneto to get in his head lol.
They accidentally drew Lex Luthor.
Mystique with all them damn bad ass kiss. Ultimate babymama.
"Destiny was able to LOOK PAST Mystique's unique base form likely due to her blindness" >.> yup, it sure is likely (sorry, i found it kinda hilarious) Great video btw.
Dude I really appreciate you making this video along with your other videos. You're a great content creator, just letting you know that.
Wait, a Why Create video on comics???
YES
Kurt makes sense now.
What do you mean by that
@@defunctgoosebumpsaccount movies did him really wrong too, pretty sure X-men evolution only one did Kurt right
@@lulu_TheWitchBoy Also "Wolverine and the X-Men".
In the Wolverine origins Game it states John Wrath is Night Crawler's father, in the 90's cartoon it was stated that Magneto had experimented on nightcrawler, this was why Mystique abandoned him, in order to protect him, basically she rather see him die than tormented. He could have been spliced with Azazel's dna. In an alternate timeline Mystique is Rogue's biological father and Destiny was her biological mother. In another timeline Rogue had a son with Magneto. She had twin boys with Gambit who was killed by his father, Mr. Sinister who was pretending to be Mystique with his shape shifting, before she killed him. Mr. Sinister clones him a new body every so often then transfers his mind with the crystal on his forehead, he tried to break free of Apocalypse's control by cloning his old human dna with Jean Grey and Scott Summers dna but he couldn't transfer his mind to the infant's body (Gambit), so he toss it aside. Apocalypse made Mr. Sinister into a mutant so he had to obey him.
No not twin boys. Rogue had a boy and girl with Gambit. Olivier and Rebecca. Olivier was older
Dis is so well done. Her family tree is so interesting.
I tend to know most things about the X-men because I've been a long time fan but you've got a few small details that I never actually knew like why the mob was after Kurt. Bravo.
Originally Kurt's mother was going to be Destiny, with Mystique as the father due to her shapeshifter abilities. However comics at that time wouldn't allow something like that time.
Exactly. They still won't allow it. It's why they created Azazle the dead beat dad and his character is just awful and practical.
It wasn't the original idea
Nightmare, a Doctor Strange villain, was supposed to be Nightcrawler's father
But back then the editors didn't want mutant characters to be related to superpowers characters we knew (Magneto and the Maximoff were stalled as a parents reveal because of that)
This is why the Szardos were revealed in a crossover with Doctor Strange: They were a compromise to Claremont's original idea.
They also wanted to make Rogue their bio daughter so 🤷♀️
@@NecessariusBalance It's not needed. The retcon has proven why. It messed up Mystique, Destiny and Rogue's story which was so unnecessary
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She belongs to the streets.
Great video! I love this topic. Thanks for posting. ♥️
9:10 "Destiny would die an old woman. Something that Mystique didn't take very well"
Well, she was murdered by Xavier's son, Legion, and her being a precog she knew it was going to happen. This kinda twisted Mystique even more
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Hell yeah 😂
I know! Amazing! I just found the channel and the only thing I'd like to see is ATLA or LoK, like, that'd just be too good to be true, ngl. Still, definitely grew to me, I'm binging all the videos now in quarantine! OwO
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I have been loving these x-men videos!!
9:45 EWWWW!!! WTF, Professor?!?!!?
Also, Nightcrawler's romantic past with his step-sister/girlfriend always bothered me. Like....you grew up with her since you were a baby, but date her full on when you're a teenager. And then you're apart for about 6 years, she shows up under a new name and you DON'T RECOGNIZE HER IMMEDIATELY???? But then he does and ol' priesty-boy goes to date her again anyway!
unigenius IKR??? The whole nightcrawler and his sister thing is defo creepy...
@@tamatkya5922 I mean, I myself don't think it would have been creepy if he was like 10 when he got adopted.
Adoptions doesn't always mean being apart of a family in that way
Sei Shōnagon ehhh idk I think that the people who raised you/ you were raised with, as family, is just as important as bio family. They might not raise the child well, and the child may not feel welcome or like they’re their family, but I don’t really see the difference between that and a bad bio parent. Also, I think ten would be pretty creepy. They would still be a child and the adoptive family would be really important to shaping the child as a person and raising them, and I don’t see a difference from a bio family in that situation. If the child was like, 16 or up when they were adopted I guess I could kind of see that, because they’ve already kind of been raised by someone else, and the adoptive family might just be more of a place to stay that’s not the streets than a family to the kid. I guess I could see that? But ten is wayyy too young imo.
@@tamatkya5922 I somewhat agree, but I am just someone who thinks Flash and iris are perfect for eachother so lol
he definitely helped her get un-stuck out of a dryer at one point.
You should definitely continue to make videos like these about Super heroes, these are very helpful and interesting. Thanks, I hope to see tons more
You deserve way more subscribers than you have. Your videos are phenomenal and extremely well-made!
I vote X-Men Origins: Nightcrawler(the backstory of Azazel and Mystique gave birth to their son Kirk Wagner the Nightcrawler)
dope video my man!
Great vid. Hoping Nightcrawler will get a movie,he's gone through so much. That animated scene with Mystique! A mother telling son she abandoned him because he was an inconvenience!? That's some heavy shit,I was like 12! Lol that why after all these years we still love that show
i remember when i thought to my self, boho you can at least shapeshift to look like whatever you want while nightcrawler had to always stay in the open. the only reason why she faced difficulty was that she was pure evil and a bitch.
He is such a boring character if anyone needs their own movie it's Rogue
Azazel and Mystique are Kirk Wagner’s biological parents
Wow, I grew up reading John Byrne's X-Men comics and Never knew that Mystique was Kurt's mother! And I wondered why Azazel looked like a Red version of Kurt in "First Class"! So I see they got it wrong when First Class introduced Mystique as a little girl in the 40's. Still a great movie though.
Excellent story! Keep up the good work!
Hey, Good story line. You did a great job with explaining everything. ;
It would've been interesting if they were allowed to go with the original idea of Destiny being Nightcrawler's mom & Mystique (shape-shifting into a male) being his father. But I guess Azazel being Kurt's dad is less convoluted.
Yeah they wanted to Mystique to turn into a man and be Nightcrawler's father. With Destiny being the mother.
@@sophiawilson8696 Yea that would've been interesting to explore. But I can understand why they went w/ the more simplistic version of Azazel being Kurt's dad & Mystique as his mom.
I would actually like that for Rouge, since for some reason I really like that Mistique and Destiny adopted her.
@@xxmessymindxx1303 Exactly. The more character connections the better. And nothing beats a "mommy/daddy" story when it comes to characterization.
@@BlackSuperman2099 Actually the "simpler" explanation didn't come until years after Marvel's "No Gays" no LGBTQ character ruling from the marvel editors on high. This also included finding out that Northstar didn't actually have HIV but was becoming "fairie" and being taken away to a realm of light.
This was a very good listen thank you very much
Damn so she slept with Wolverine and Wolverine's son from an alternate universe
@MG16NCP and his skill-set is bananas. Him and Mystique can both control their pheromones could you imagine two people having the power to make the other one hot for the other
I just realized raze is mystique and Wolverine son Daken was who I was talkin about Mystique having an affair with
I remember reading in her mini-series (of same name) a few years ago, a little girl who can "talk" to machines (whom Mystique is trying to rescue), asks her about her father, and Mystique hesitantly says "My father....was a very bad man".
And that's it.
Uh Mystique did have a child with Xavier in this mainstream, a 3rd son. HE's still a baby though. Charles Francis Xavier II was conceived during the short time Prof. X was secretly married to Mystique. The marriage was revealed during with reading of Xavier's will. After his death is when Raven gave birth so its wasn't clear if he knew she was pregnant before he was murdered by Phoenix-Cyclops. Once she gave birth, she left the baby at an orphanage.
Wow this was pretty good 👍
excellent video good sir.
Still the best voice in youtube, that merged to very informative material makes you a MUST see
Now i got really confused when the Mystique had a lovey dovey with Azazel from X-Men: 1st Class around that time after that movie, they finally bore a son, which is Kurt from the X-Men: Apocalypse.. its kinda confussing why Kurt didnt call her "mother" on that movie tho..
Your voice is so soothing lol
Thanks for pulling from the comics and not these horrible movies.. I got my first comic at 9 and been into comics since 94.. Great vid
Destiny didn't just die she was killed by Legion controlled by the Shadow King. She blamed Forge for her death because he was tasked with keeping an eye on her.
Awesome video! Keep up the great work!!
Irene Adler is a Sherlock character, if anyone didn’t know that. Confused me.
I know right? I was really confused when I first heard about that too, but maybe the Marvel Irene Adler was inspired by the Conan-Doyle one? Or maybe since it was so long ago that Mystique and Irene met, Marvel used the actual character from the Sherlock books and turned her into a mutant? It is pretty confusing isn't it
Damn! This was good! Thank you.
This is such an amazing channel. Very very informative for comic fans =)
Great vid bro !!
I just watched this video, waiting for Kurt to appear. My favorite mutant
Wow! Glad this was talked about. Good video
Although they barely interact during this movie (and in fact are antagonists through most of it), according to Marvel Comics canon, Azazel and Mystique eventually have a child together: Kurt Wagner a.k.a. Nightcrawler. He appears in X2: X-Men United (2003), played by Alan Cumming and again in X-Men: Apocalypse (2016), played by Kodi Smit-McPhee.
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Me: can I say it
Someone smart: no
Me: please
Someone smart: they’re not related so no
Me: PLEASSSSSSE
Someone smart: oka-
Me: *plays guitar* SWEET HOME ALABAMA
Finally someone who knows well The X Men Universe,, well done
Great content!! Keep it up!!
I’m from New Zealand and I think Kiwi Black was inspired from here.
Amazing! Great Video. Very Well Done.🙌🏿🙌🏿🙌🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰
Wow that was a great synopsis on the Family tree on Mystic awesome family tree 🤓👌
You forgot that Mistique has a secret brother only known as "The Boss of this Gym"
this was very descriptive nice vid
Guess the xmen movies didn't do azazel justice at all
It would be so totally dope to finally see her take other forms besides humans especially in the movies, because so far ever since the very first X-Men movie The only thing is close to other objects that she has ever taken that appeared in the first was a small statue of lady liberty
I love the idea of Graydon Creed being abandoned by his mother because he was unremarkable and boring.
I think the better origin for him was that he was raised and abused by Sabretooth, which is why he hates mutants.
@@ShadowSonic2 I’d read a book from his perspective 🤔
Raze actually said on panel that he and half brother Charles Jr travelled back in time to a point where Raze was a baby and Jr over 1 year old so as to not erase their existence from time if they altered their past
Well done. Newly subscribed.
Great break down !!!!!!!!!!!!
I love that scarlet switch and nightcrawler was in this
Amazing listen!
I think you should start putting some music in the background at least lol
Can you do the storm and Richards ( the fantastic 4) family tree ?
Retconned in X Men Blue Origins, Mystique is Nightcrawler's dad and Destiny is his mom.
BS retcon. Ruined Mystique, Destiny characters and Rogue's plot. So unnecessary
Its ironic how Mystique always loved Rogue. She really was her favorite instead of her biological sons.
Why did Mystique yeet Nightcrawler like that?? 🤣🤣 5:56
What the hell is going on with this guys voice. it is like he is afraid he parents will hear what he is doing in the next room.
Stfu
Deadass bro 😂
John Martin move out of your mom's basement
@@seankinsella8029 move ur uncle out yo ass beyatch
John Martin that is one of the dumbest things I have heard. How does it feel to ride the short bus?
Well done!No wonder you'd have done some hasty searchings in comics!
But...
Can you prepare a video on Apocalypse's family tree
Have you finished your video on apocalupse's family tree?
I think Mystique deserves here own series plus 4 movies I cant be the only one who agrees
According to the official the classic marvel figurine collection mystique is Rogue's biological parent. It doesn't specify if she is the father or mother though. Check mystique's booklet.
This was excellent
Graydon Creed : Have two powerful mutant as parents but is totally ordinary. How's that possible. 😂😅🤷🏾♂️
DNA can still be a crapshoot.
raydaveed maybe he is wild at sex with two sex organ a pines and a pussy
Well he probably received both of the recessive traits
Mystique's is my favorite X-Men family tree.
This is so much more information on current Wagner than I do even existed but I only watched the movies I have not read many comics.
is it just me, or does the ring master at 7:26 look like Ron Jeremy?
So, I believe Raze (Mystique and Wolverine's son) does exist in Marvel 616 (Prime). He is born a little before the future version arrives in the present. In fact I recall the comic where Mystique pretends to be one of Wolverine's lovers from the past and they do the deed. Her powers were upgraded enough to fool his heightened senses.
wow, just wow. loved this video
I really hope to get more X-Men content man
there was a plot point set up then abandoned that was going to revealed that Rogue was the biological child of Destiny and Mystique with Mystique being Rogue's farther by shapeshifting into a man. This was going to be Marvle's attempt to tackle Transgender and Lesbian issues but the plot was abandoned for being to risky.
Thank god, that is so stupid
Bruh
William Wood I heard that would've been Nightcrawlers original biological background.
That was Kurt’s original backstory, I think you’re misremembering
@@willberman1562 Quite possibly but I was sure they were going to reveal the reason Mystique took Rogue in was because she was her real parent must have been her real mother not farther
I love rogue and nightcrawlers sibling relationship through the years especially during men evolution
the new writers will change everything you just said because they can
7:23 oh god, I can’t with comics sometimes
Azazel props my man. Wish the 90's show would of added that. And might be the only reason I tolerate watching X-Men First Class lol