How to Fight: Soviet Air Mobile Operations || Vintage US Army Video
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A vintage US Army training video. This video demonstrates on how the Soviets would use their air assets against the US Military. The Soviets show how they would exploit and maneuver around US ground forces.
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Thank you for this video I was fighting Soviet air mobile operations wrong in my day-to-day life until I watched this, now I can fight them properly.
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Then you'll find "Defending Against the T-62 Tank" REALLY useful! Used it on my commute just the other day!
well clearly somebody needs more training for fighting commies because they are all over the place lately
@@noneofyourbusiness43 and most of them barely know anything about communism lol , the irony escapes them
😂😂😂
Operation flashpoint graphics were better than I remembered.
Man, if the Soviet and American armies weren't so busy wasting time training for a war that would never happen, they could have made an epic war movie with the resources lol!
Can you imagine what a remake of Kelly's Heroes would have been like? :D
It’s gonna happen
These Mi-8 Blackhawks are truly awesome!
Bullshit! If they really wanted it, they could have real ones, from friendly nations, with Russian equipment in their arsenal (... such as Egypt, for example) and not being forced to use these mock up nonsense!
@@theonemesis5217 dude, have you seen how OLD that video is? Vintage is not an understatement…
@@ForceM1782 DON'T PLAY SMART ASS ON ME, JERK... YOU HEAR ME?! ......I WAS BORN IN '71!....THESE WERE MY OWN TIMES, AND THEREFORE, I DON'T NEED MORONS LIKE YOU, TO TELL ME WHAT IS VINTAGE AND WHAT'S NOT! I DO KNOW HOWEVER (...from experience!) THAT BACK THEN, THE STATES DID HAD ACCESS, TO RUSSIAN ARSENAL, THROUGH SUCH COUNTRIES (... such as those, I mentioned, further above), AND THAT THERE WERE SOME OPFOR GROUPS AT LEAST, WHO DID MANAGED TO SET UP, A GOOD AND REALISTIC PRESENTATION, INSTEAD OF THESE CLOWNS, HERE! THESE LOOSERS HERE, HAVE DONE A VERY LOUSY JOB IN WHAT HAS TO DO, THEIR "SOVIET" APPEARENCE! MILIUS, WAS 1000 TIMES, BETTER THAN THEM, IN 1985's "RED DAWN" AND CONTRARY TO THEM, HE WASN'T EVEN IN THE MILITARY! THEREFORE, FUCK OFF, BOTH YOU, AND YOUR UNDERSTATEMENTS!
They're made by the same manufacturer as the Mig 28
I've assisted in training as OPFOR and my engineer unit penetrated concertina wire barriers with a simple field expedient method using weighted 4x8 planks with 2x4's allowing for a 4-man carry of the system that we threw across the wire and and then preceded to lay down covering fire as the assault element that ran over the planks. This was after we conducted probes to determine the weakest area of their defense and that spotted where the unit TOC was located due to poorly positioned antenna's and no decoys. Likewise they had no layered defenses and so our assault team wiped out their command section and half their defensive line within about 10 minutes. The rest was wiped out by a follow-on assault team once a strong base of fire was secured and we lifted fire as the follow on assault team swept through their perimeter blowing whistles so we could identify where their progress was in order to avoid friendly fire. Granted this was using MILES gear not live ammo, but it was extremely realistic.
Another tactic used common in Russian doctrine was the use of decoy attacks. This made the company we targeted shift their heavy weapons teams to face the wrong direction. Our probes also found some of their LP/OP's via poorly concealed landlines forcing them to pull in the rest. In real life, they would have called in reserves or a rapid reaction team if any were available. Likewise gunships would have been on station, however that would only be true if air superiority was maintained. If not, it would be down to the quality of defensive training and conducting aggressive patrolling to destroy enemy reconnaissance probes.
In my opinion, most U.S. Army units are superbly trained in offensive warfare, but poorly trained in effective defensive strategies of field fortification, mine laying, decoy positions, Successful FOB defense has mainly relied on individual courage and skill in small arms along with quality body armor and excellent combat life-saver training and advanced first-aid equipment that can keep a soldier in the fight despite serious injuries.
Even with overwhelming air-support, FOB's have been overrun in Afghanistan by Taliban fighters due to this deficiency in defensive training. Imagine how they would fare with questionable air superiority and against Russian troops backed my massive artillery assaults, ECM jamming communications, and a new generation of professionally trained Russia soldiers who now base their training and tactics off of a decade of observing U.S. forces in action while collecting both observational and electronic intelligence.
It's not a pretty picture.
Also before anyone says it, not this is not OpSec type stuff. This was back in the late 90's using Russian methods. Any competent Russian infantry officer would have done the exact same thing. Likewise Russian intelligence I'm certain have come to the same conclusion by observing U.S. defensive systems. Only major command centers have layered defenses. Company size elements however generally do not. Battalion? Maybe depending on the type of unit. Likewise they can easily see that support units are woefully under-equipped and under-trained in anti-tank tactics and air-defense tactics.
Most infantry units only have Stingers and systems like the Avenger Humvee based system that use Stingers and an M2 MG variant. The Russians have spent decades working on jamming methods against the Stinger while the M2 is very limited in effectiveness against fast moving and heavily armored Russian gunships. Ideally every infantry company should have a small trailer-mounted 20-30mm AAA systems similar to the Russian ZSU-23-2 systems that most of their infantry units are equipped with.
One little secret that the Israelis never discuss much is the fact that during the 1973 Yom Kippur War, large Syrian and Egyptian air-assaults were defeated using captured ZSU-23-2 and TCM-20 light AA gun systems using the Hispano 20mm cannon. Both were trailer mounted towed systems that could be easily pulled by any military vehicle and did not use any sophisticated fire control systems.
These are systems that are cheap and that even support units could be cheaply equipped and trained on. That strategy would nullify the ability of Russian or Chinese adversaries from launching effective air assaults. Instead after all these decades, U.S. infantry and support units are still mainly dependent on outdated Stinger and M2 .50 cal MG's tactical air defense. Only our Patriot batteries give solid coverage but these are generally only stationed around key command centers. They are more strategic AA systems and not tactical level systems that move along the front lines with our troops.
The Russians and Chinese in contrast have multiple types of both strategic (S-300/400 systems) and tactical level AA missile systems and infantry carried manpads (SA-16) as well as AAA gun systems ranging from simple iron-sight ZSU-23-2 towed systems all the way up to the Pansir S-1 and 2K22 Tanguska self-propelled AAA/AA platforms that have succeeded in downing NATO aircraft.
What we faced in Iraq was 1970's technology. Over Serbia we faced slightly better technology (80's level) in small numbers. But today against Russia or China, I do not think we are prepared after spending a decade concentrating on counter-insurgency warfare. We would most likely use nuclear weapons if we started losing. And....so ends all of humanity. If we can't win....everyone loses....their lives.
How about the M113-mounted vulcan? Wouldnt they be detached to bn/bde level at least?
I find the assumption of local air superiority dangerous. Wonder whether that will hold in the next hot war, and what depth protection y'all will have.
@@aaronquak2139 I Find total lack of defenses dangerous. Like they CP wasn't dug in at all. just sitting under camo nets on surface in an extremely enticing tightly packed group like enemy can't reach few miles behind front line.
Also where the heck is the protection elements.... Brigade CP and no security forces dug in around it? So the enemy can just shoot couple guards and walk into the command tent??????
That org has combat resilience rating of zero. You manage to pinpoint the CP (Russians have ELINT)? Not only can one send the helos, they could just order coordinated rocket barrage and destroy everything in a 100meterx100meter around it. Nothing much AA can do against hundreds and hundreds of artillery rockets saturating the place.
Russians have rockets, lots of them. They figure out key targets location and that it isn't dug in? Bye Bye, here comes ohhh couple hundred artillery rockets from Grads, Urugans and SMerch. All of the brigades higher command conveniently collected by enemy in one tent.... That is asking to be rocketed.
Move or dug in. There is no standing around, when other side has rocket artillery in large numbers able to reach up to 90 km behind lines. Air superiority means nothing, if the enemy can attack ground to ground 90km and knows how to sneak those rockets truck in place and camo them.
@@wigon I do think you have a very good point. I think at this point a lot of armies are over specialized in counter insurgency warfare. And even if not, they are trained in stiff doctrines that are not flexible enough to adapt to an enemy that is cunning and intelligent. It reminds me of "Millennium Challenge 2002" where Van Ripper, with common knowledge of US doctrine and approach to problems, easily defeated an entire carrier group with inferior numbers, equipment and logistics. This was all done because he knew how stiff the thought patterns were and how heavily they relied on technology that had proven itself against outdated opposition before.
@@aaronquak2139 The Vulcan air-defense system is unfortunately no longer used by the U.S. Army. It was supposed to be replaced, but after the disastrous "Sgt. York" self-propelled AA program failed, they never replaced it. The Humvee based "Avenger" AA system was supposed to be a stop-gap measure, but that is still the U.S. Army's primary self-propelled short-range air-defense system. But really all that is needed are simple towed 20, 25, or 30mm AA gun systems. When you have something like a Mi-24 Hind strafing your position at close range, you don't need fancy radar guided guns. You just need a sufficiently powerful, rapid firing, AA gun system and crews with good training on how to position their guns in coordination with other units in the area.
Cool video. Really like the maniacal smile of the Soviet rifleman who shoots up the command post at 13:25...
Opfor is always happy to be killing Blufor. That means more days off duty or a six pack of beer! :D
Ah the Glee of the successful opfor mission!
This is so t80s retro, dude. Down to the Airwolf style soundtrack.
Oh my lord this screams 80's I love it
Pre Kevlar "Fritz" helmet woodland camo days
The 197th Infantry Brigade. Fun fact; the 197th from Fort Benning was the 24th Infantry Divisions 3d Brigade in time of war. As such they deployed with the 24th as part of Operation Desert Shield/Storm. They still had M113A2's and not Bradleys like the rest of the Division. I was in 1st Brigade of the 24th and saw the 197th on our left flank in Iraq.
11:12 love that soviet hip, totally not a black hawk.
the copter defected to the Reds. A sexy female copter seduced it (just like Marine guards) tickling his tail rotor with her main rotor blades, and so he flew across the Iron curtain to be with her. He got a Red Star painted on his belly and fought against his former friends
Wololo
That's a Kamov 60
I watched this in ROTC in like 86!
I love the intro music
Nice story boarding and we'll scripted.
Excellent camera work.
Obrigado gosto desse tipo de vídeo antigo.
This would not have happened had the EM-50 Urban Assault Vehicle replaced the aging M577A2 Command Post Carrier.
The EM-50. Superior intelligence and firepower. Oh, wait. Sorry, wrong Bill Murray movie!
From this video I learned that Soviet stormtroopers were supposed to attack yelling AAAAAAAAAAAA!!! in Russian.
Yeah! Not even the typical, and traditional "Hurraaaa"! The concept of the Westerners about the Soviets, back on those days, was a joke!
funny how there in a "combat situation" and no one is wearing a flak jacket
The music reminds me of Airwolf. Used to be on Cozitv but no longer on as far as I know. Cool video also reminds me of when I was in the Army 1988-1992. Oh what times. West Germany from December 1988 to February 1991. Wish I could have stayed but wasn't able to had to come back stateside to Fort Polk till July 1992. Still an adventure and life changing time fun.
A starship in action!
5:37 Is that Bill Clement the Hockey player/commentator? I know he did some acting in the 80's
I think you may be right. It sure looks and sounds like him.
It is!
badass
Eighties - Cool music
TOO COOL
Love the 80s music.
3:33 chilling words: "in the next ten minutes, thsi command and control center center rwill be reducde to rubble. None of the people you see will survive. All will become casualties, victims of a planned Soviet airmobile assault..."
5:45 "Alert the Stinger teams to be on the lookout". Stingers were the only AA asset the army had. From my study, there was no viable anti air platform besides Stinger. The Soviets had heavy and light mobile missile vehicles, and gun vehicles as part of their combined arms teams. NATO had nothing comparable. NATO aircraft would have had to control the air - but their avaiaility, and time on station, was limited. After a few minutes they'd have to leave the airspace. On the other hand, Shilkas, Geckos, deployed in large numbers, would have inflicted huge losses.
11:10 lol UH60 has defected to the Reds, showing off its Commie star.
13:00 "CP is under attack!" burn the codes and grab your rifiles
14:10 to the horror of the radio operator, the CP is off the air
LOL the narrator at the end when the scenario is over walks in like Mr. Rogers and takes a moment to hang up the dangling field phone receiver.
A Chaps that's because he's "squared away" unlike your crappy country full of drunk Bolsheviks, you commie punk!
decimated550 actually at the time there was the 30mm Vulcan cannon mounted on a M113, and I think there was a M113 derivative with four sidewinder air to air missiles modified to fire ground to air. Also low flying air craft can be attacked with small arms. I'm ARMY air defense artillery.
you're right. From what i read, those systems were good, but not comparable to the numerous gun and missile systems fielded by the soviets which made any altitude dangerous for attacking nato aircraft. It's possible that local air superiority would have been theirs without aircraft. we'd have spent so many assets reducing the ground to air threats that little else could have been dedicated to logistical and 2nd echelon targets. NATOs planes were supposed to control the air, but it's likely their airbases would have been shut down in days by long range missiles and Spetznats units.
Damn that shit was raw
Apparently the Soviets in this scenario had opted to attack wearing their parade uniforms and their Granddad's helmets. Interesting choice.
And who, exactly, is the "gay commander" the radio operator is referring to at 5:40? I think we should be told.
Brigaaade Commander, not Gay Commander. That's a different commander altogether.
Helmets are from the German Bundeswehr...I mean..it's ok, they worked with what they had in this film...also like the artistic touch with that dying Soviet lieutenant in the end
@@Namal23 if you find training vids from the years right after WWII you can observe Adrian and firefighter helmets being worn by OPFOR.
Isn't he played by Will Ferrell?
@@Namal23 Bullshit Bundesweer! These were mock up helmets, made of fiber glass! Generally, their gear was a joke, and the Kalashnikovs were obviously Romanian made Pistol Mitralieră M 1963/1965 models, which were not suitable for Soviet troops!
Anyone knows the name of the track?
What is it with the Tech Noir synth music? They couldn't get John Williams to score this?😆
A mistake, by soviet doctrine a artilery barage or in extreme case a Tochka misille is a way to go.
Helicopters and planes are to
expensive and vulnerable.
One thing more, we used Hispano suiza 20mm AA canons and strela 2 complemented whit igla during 1999.
NATO in those circumstances coundt use helis in mass operations, they tried couple of times.
Lost some AH-64 in direct combat and it was the end of air mobile ops. Some where lost to Strela 2, so go figure efect of Igla or Verba.
Gratuitous slow mow is a requirement to defeat a Soviet Air Mobile Operation
A unit of an Uzbek penal battalion attacking armed only with Romanian AKs and a single clip each. The horror! The horror!
Do yourself a favor and compare British and US military training videos from the same epoch. It's amazing.
Us used this very effectively in Gulf War of 1990s and became master of this tactic
The US army is the most organised in post Vietnam era though there were many instances where they faught valiently against the Vietcong.
But now a days I feel mobility of the M1A3 MBT will cause a real headache 4 the COs since it's just sigh of 80 tones with the same engine output.
But US army Apache and Black Hawks will always give them an edge over any adverseries.
If you look at previous doctrine it's all correct and by the book.
However I've never heard of an unde fended CP at any level.
A brigade CP in combat would keep 1 infantry platoon at the least 2 at the most as its perimeter security.
But that reality, this was only to show what can happen when shit goes bad.
Since it isn't dug in, it could easily eat a couple rocket battery combined rocket strike....... Since that is a thing. Why the heck would the whole brigade CP and all supporting C&C sit in a single tent....... That is asking to be ELINT (or other intelligence) located and taken out by rocket strike...... and sit around in general on the surface. Has the command element forgot how to use the field spade? They aren't any more immune to artillery shrapnel and HE than the front line being bombarded and wisely dug in.
I really would like a good movie of the US vs Sovier Union, it could be amazing, but with the correct equipment and dress
Love this ussr helmets they wear.
Got to love the OPFOR uniforms. Very GI Joe. "Xa, Xa, Xa, foolish capitalist swine!"
heh heh they used Soviet parade uniforms. Down to the high shiny boots, designed not for combat but for high stepping through Red Square parades.
Having been in a mechanized infantry division artillery headquarters in the 80s, this was what we trained for. Frequently "jumped TOC". The out of regulation porn star mustaches in this video would have been an issue for the Sergeant Major.
Wow these Soviet guys look exactly like us. ;) perhaps they cant be so bad.
80's
How long would it have remained conventional before the first tactical nukes were used?
Less than 24 hours
@@alanwallace7807 Nah, one or two weeks!
Once one side started to lose badly. Or when the Americans become too embarassed about the Bundeswehr having to save their asses...
The Soviet doctrine since 1975 was that the war would start as conventional, then, tactical nukes would be implemented - by NATO, depending on how fast the Soviet Army would be pushing into West Germany, either a few days or a few months after the start of the war. The Soviets would immediately retaliate with tactical nukes. Then, the war was expected to quickly escalate into a strategic nuclear exchange (because restricting to tactical nukes was inconvenient for the USSR). But there was even an opinion that non-US NATO, such as UK and France, might not dare to ever use nukes; then, the US wouldn't use them in Europe either; so, the war might remain fully conventional.
So, the task of the Soviet forces was to take as much territory as possible quickly, before the war turned nuclear or a ceasefire was signed.
13:25 EEEEEE CHEEKI BREEKI!!!
Training simulation of Soviet-American war
No one knows the name of the music in this from the beginning, right? It seems like some kind of license free stuff from a library in the 80s as it shows up in this BBC broadcast too: th-cam.com/video/gSpXMH9xJy0/w-d-xo.html
This makes me want to watch commando
Why would you want to watch this without wearing underwear?
15:57 Zombie!!
The CP would have been heavily defended with lines of concertina wire and heavy guns, but the point of the video is still valid
Yes, but I've assisted in training as OPFOR and my engineer unit penetrated concertina wire barriers with a simple field expedient method using weighted 4x8 planks with 2x4's allowing for a 4-man carry of the system that we threw across the wire and and then preceded to lay down covering fire as the assault element. This was after we conducted probes to determine the weakest area of their defense and that spotted where the unit TOC was located due to poorly positioned antenna's and no decoys. Likewise they had no layered defenses and so our assault team wiped out their command section and half their defensive line within about 10 minutes. The rest was wiped out by a follow-on assault team once a strong base of fire was secured and we lifted fire as the follow on assault team swept through their perimeter blowing whistles so we could identify where their progress was in order to avoid friendly fire. Granted this was using MILES gear not live ammo, but it was extremely realistic.
Another tactic used common in Russian doctrine was the use of decoy attacks. This made the company we targeted shift their heavy weapons teams to face the wrong direction. Our probes also found some of their LP/OP's via poorly concealed landlines forcing them to pull in the rest. In real life, they would have called in reserves or a rapid reaction team if any were available. Likewise gunships would have been on station, however that would only be true if air superiority was maintained. If not, it would be down to the quality of defensive training and conducting aggressive patrolling to destroy enemy reconnaissance probes.
In my opinion, most U.S. Army units are superbly trained in offensive warfare, but poorly trained in effective defensive strategies of field fortification, mine laying, decoy positions,
Even with overwhelming air-support, FOB's have been overrun in Afghanistan by Taliban fighters due to this deficiency in defensive training. Imagine how they would fare against questionable air superiority and against Russian troops backed my massive artillery assaults, ECM jamming communications, and a new generation of professionally trained Russia soldiers who now base their training and tactics off of a decade of observing U.S. forces in action while collecting both observational and electronic intelligence.
It's not a pretty picture.
Concertina wire and guns don't help, when Soviet/ now russian intel locates you and then goes eenie miinie mine moe should we used, grads, Urugans or smerch. Heck we have probably some big field guns in range....
Has nobody taught them digging in procedures for artillery protection. Sitting on surface in a tent with dozen radios and lots of high ranking people for any time beyond couple tens of minutes.... That is asking for getting a rocket or howitzer shell drilled in the skull from tens of kilometers away.
This is a video by the Us military tho. It's not like they weren't knowing what their doing.
@@aritakalo8011 Wouldn't want to divulge the latest top secret trench and foxhole digging technology to the Russkies!
@@aritakalo8011 and ironically the Russians have lost a ton of high ranking officers because Ukrainian artillery combined with intelligence leads to them blowing up Russian command posts
The Soviet CO dies like an absolute punk...
His little dear diary was trod upon. he was probably trying to write in it instead of firing his rifle ("and now we are attacking towards the CP. Hopefully we can get some prisoners...") RATATAT!
This was a very scary scenario, it meant a the Eastern forces we mobilized and heading through the gap. WW3 has started...
11:01 romanian aks
Puppy klashniqova
What the hell kind of soviet uniforms were those
those are more likely their parade uniforms, maybe for dramatic effect. I"d assume their combat uniforms were camoflauged and loose fitting.
@@decimated550 I am Russian, and those are not real Soviet uniforms. Those are just proxies the movie creators had at hand. ;)
13:23
Weeeey nooooo
Soviet Rambo.
забавно выглядят американские пехотинцы в роли советских десантников
this video is LOL!
1:42 5 hours training? Are you kidding? Why not just swim the river in full battle dress & equipment. You'll die either way.
hmmm looks '85 '84
Earlier than that. Still wearing M1 helmet, not the "fritz"
This was one of the cheesiest 80s military videos I have ever seen.
That was less than accurate, but good show.
How to fight ?
DA
cheesy as hell...
Just Americans love there children , all others and I mean all others don't.
Movie about real life war between USA 🇺🇸 VS RUSSIA 🇷🇺 , wouldn’t be no fun - since they are both highly effective
It's a game, one wins, The others lost legs arms and so on, and that is all done with the taxpayers money
Those American impersonators of Soviet soldiers are hilarious!
Be sure to check out the video on Interrogation Approach Techniques
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Poor "soviet soldiers" going into combat, no water, no grenades and no spare ammo/mags, only the one in the rifle... not even chest webbing or an assault vest. poor buggers do not even appear to have a radio
Не унывай! Советские солдаты смогли разбить любых передастов!
And what's worse, they're armed with Romanian AK's!!! Must be Uzbeks from a Soviet penal battalion...
Неужели делая этот фильм не могли взять настоящие кадры из советских военных передачь? А не этих переодетых клоунов, не имеющих представление о советской военной тактике.
It was the middle of the cold war, they couldn’t get any soviet footage or good costumes
Fun. The soviets Speak english
All the more amazing considering they're Uzbeks from a penal battalion!
Why didn't you show your black sites, your torture camps and your waterboarding facilities?
Propaganda barata