The problem is obvious and you even pointed it out. Valve is private, so it can do what it wants. AAA studios are public, so line must go up. Line go up forever, and NOW.
@@RandomBlackBox Valve is also more of an IT company than a game developer and has been that way for almost a decade. Their main source of money comes from Steam and its marketplace, they also make their own VR tech and now portable consoles. Their game development department is secondary and they have practically unlimited funding and time. If they make a game it's literally because the devs want to and have fun doing it. That's why they only did VR games in the last years. There isn't a single other publisher in the industry that is so self-sufficient.
Privately owned companies have the freedom to actually do the best they can. The CEOs are typically also people who are passionate about games. As soon as it's publically traded they put someone in charge who has nothing to do with games, and that's where the magic ends.
@@artaum5635I largly agree. Their game dev side of things is basically "Do what you're passionate about." At least they've been working on Source 2, Deadlock, and seemingly two other game projects for the past 4 years. Not to mention their next VR headset, SteamOS, and the possibility of another Steam Machine attempt.
We don't need big expensive to produce, but ultimately boring slop. We need easy, cheap, out of nowhere, fun slop. And that's what the big studios don't understand, it's not good just because you wasted a trillion dollars on development. It's good because the people who made it cared.
Indie developers all the way! Super chill while also being fun and open to improvements Ultrakill, Lethal Company, and others they really have passion for games. It's not because of politics or strictly bad developers that these games are failing it's developers being overworked and forced to make a profit orenatied game.
@@dreyga2In China. It sold like 500k in the US, which is good for an indie studio but not for a big budget release like Wukong. Thankfully, the game got sold 95% of its sales from China. Since the game sold 10m total (so far), that's 9.5m sales from China and 500k elsewhere.
I don't think AAA games will change. As long as people spend money on the games. As long as people spend money on microtransactions. They have no reason to change The companies don't care about making quality games, all they care about is money. As long as they are going to make money in some way, they aren't going to change
That's what important about how hard this game flopped, it's such a *WASTE* of money this is Balan Wonderland tier sales this isn't a case of a *dead* game it's straight up DOA and is causing massive money leaks with projects like these, it's *finally* hitting these companies pockets, and that's what matters
Space marine 2 is AAA let's hope it will get into the "Good AAA games" list. And i just realised that it is one of the only games with free custumization in the past 4 years or maybe even more.
Concord's biggest problem is the entire dev team, you can't insult gamers and then expect them to buy your game, maybe if they weren't so vocal on twitter the game could've been at most a mediocre succes Update: It's concover
@@flamingscar5263there's literally hundreds of videos about it man don't try to make it seem that it's just this guy's problem like if no one knew about stuff like this
This isn't the downfall of gaming, or even the downfall of AAA gaming. Nintendo and Steam are doing pretty well for themselves. This is the fall of bad publishers.
IMHO it's like an empire. The larger the borders (graphics, size etc) the harder it is for quality to be assured, So cracks start to form (bugs). Eventually something sparks the entire collapse and causes whatever kingdom/dynasty (Company) to implode. It's why smaller nations (Indie studios) may be slower, but also have more quality. Also, gaming used to be niche, so devs were more likely to ACTUALLY do stuff to appeal to those geek/nerd types, but now it's just any other medium, having the most bland and broad things to appeal to.
Inde games is like AAA games Not every inde game is good or put effort on it Most of it is just slop with little to no effort on it or at least mid It's like 1000 games a year.there is 200 of it is good 20 game pretty amazing while the rest is shit
@@EyadAlsayd-is2vjYeah most indie games are crap, mostly "artsy games", low quality H-Games that mostly use AI, and RPG Maker slop. But there are PLENTY of good ones released every year. Honestly with indie games, the games that try WAY too hard to be "unique" are usually the crappy ones. The indie games that do really well are the ones that take an existing gameplay style that's underutilized and does something new with it. Hollow Knight is basically "what if dark souls but 2D, hand drawn, creepycute, but with platforming focus" and it's not only one of the best indie games, but also one of the best GAMES ever. Celeste is basically "what if Mario World Kaizo but actually fair and also gay af." Thchia is "what if Zelda Windwaker had a baby with Mario Odyssey." Timespinner is "what if Castlevania, but with space lesbians and time travel." Spark the Electric Jester is basically "Sonic meets Devil May Cry meets Kirby meets Evangelion." A Hat in Time is basically "What if Mario Sunshine but modern and without jank." Terraria is "What if Minecraft, but 2D, focus on combat and exploration rather than building, and way more content and progression?" Hades is "what if rougelike, but actually good and beginner friendly?". Cuphead is "Contra, but boss-focused and styled after 1920s cartoons?" Every great indie game takes some existing concept and refines and innovates on it. The indie games that fail are the ones that try WAY too hard to be unique, quirky, "relatable", or be overly story-focused. Those are the games typically shown off in Nintendo's indie world events, and yeah, most of those games are slop. But there are SO MANY good indie games out there, many of which most people have never heard of. Stuff like Pseudoregelia or ZeroRanger or Crystal Story.
You can say the same thing with Independent Animation, Movies, Music, and TV Shows...All kinds of entertainment mediums get too big where quality is not the priority and quantity and money is paramount to everything else.
Me just standing here with Limbus company, and just chilling with a game that functions, has a good story, a group of appealing interesting characters and fun addicting gameplay
Gee, the Project Moon fandom is spreading faster that I thought. Can’t go to a video and not see a Project Moon related comment now… (Not a complaining, just a bit surprised.)
I still dont get why these companies that put so much work in animating and making high quality models and doing high tech mocap stuff dont just make a movie or tv show.
2:00 you can if the rig is the same and the body has a similarish shape, but if you completely redesign a characters shape and design its a lot harder to do
A lot of people shit on me because they thought I was defending the game, but all I was doing was telling people to find a good reason to dislike the game rather than going for the knee-jerk “it’s *woke*”
I feel ya, but honestly it's kinda a shame that the "woke" has done it more to itself. They've kinda had the worst people and companies spearheading their ideology that now it is associated with bad quality. Can happen to any ideology if the main folks promoting it are such bastards but in this modern age it just happens to be that woke has these bad actors. I ain't even a part of their group and I can see the wolves in sheep clothing on their side. Same as on mine with the NRA. Ya gotta look out for em bastards always convincing you they're on your side.
The problem is that a lot of these companies are going to think the solution is to keep throwing even MORE money at the problem, which will only make things even worse
The moment people stop buying COD games is the moment people stop buying NBA/Madden/FIFA games, stop playing gacha games or stop buying a new IPhone yearly
Unfortunately they’re not you or me, EA and Activision know their audience consists of way too many men and boys who don’t play a lot of video games (and especially teens that often do a lot of sport and then go to college on a sports scholarship anyway).
6:39 speaking of Valve, they just hired the original creators of Risk of Rain and more notably Risk of Rain 2 which is an absolute banger of an indie game so it’s nice to see they got hired by the best triple A company out there
I feel like in the modern day all game devs hate the games they work on because of awful executive decisions and horrible crunch hours that mentally degrade the devs and designers I wouldn't put alot of the blame on just the devs specifically. It's executives, investors, quotas, and profit.
@VenrirVenin Agreed people claim it's all the developers fault and them pushing politics and being bad developers is what makes games bad. But this really doesn't look at the industry as a whole, games in recent years have become super profit focused vs being focused on making a game. A bit of diversity or one cringe developer does not destroy an entire game.
7:44 elimination of competition. Innovation is not cheap, and moving from a profitable formula is scary for investors, so it logically makes sense to get the competition and gut it for parts. (Most of these people, Im willing to bet are forced into non compete contracts of some kind, even if I don't have the evidence to substantiate such a claim.)
Here's the biggest uncomfortable truth that could lead to the complete collapse of the video game industry. ......Grand Theft Auto VI may suck..... It HAS to be a PERFECT game.....if it doesn't pass the smell test, it's doomed. It probably won't suck.....but it could o_o
It most likely will suck. It's been in development for fucking ever. That's not a good sign. Add to that that the legacy studios known for bangers after bangers (Blizzard, Ubisoft, Bungie, Rockstar, Bethesda, etc.) Have been releasing flop after flop lately I'm confident GTA VI is going to be mediocre at best.
@@estefencosta1835 rdr2 was in development for 8 years and look how it turned out, now the same company is doing it again, with a bigger map, better(?) graphics, hundreds of events, a possibly bigger story, and tons of new mechanics from gta v, yeah that's a pretty justifiable reason for the development to take so long
8:21 What you're describing here might have something to do with this thing called the 'Trust Thermocline'. It comes from the word 'thermocline', which refers to how the temperature of a body of water changes as you go deeper, specifically in how the temperature remains alright up until the point where it suddenly drops and only gets colder further down. The trust thermocline is a somewhat similar thing, where customers can suddenly drop a product and never come back if their trust is sufficiently tested. This is because potential customers have a lower tolerance for breaches of trust than existing customers. Once you break the trust of your existing customers, you've already gone way past the point of potential customers having any trust in you.
I've heard of Pokemon being kinda ass. I ain't played since the DSi ones but man it sure looks bad. Then again, I think Gamefreak is the one that works on it and not really Nintendo. Not completely sure about that last bit.
See, making the character designs all super-unappealing will acomplish the one thing overwatch has been trying to do for years and failed at. It will make it so that there is almost no pогn of these characters online. So really, they learned the exact wrong lesson from overwatch.
I honestly kinda hate that modern gaming audiences think that's what female characters need to be to make a good game. I'm a woman and I want to be seen for more than my physical attributes. I have hobbies, a job, things I enjoy, a personality. Plenty of older games recognized this. Portal 2 was a smash hit and Chell is arguably quite average looking, how much porn have you seen of her online? Give women in games proper personality and identity and the game will be just as popular as any pornified franchise. Horizon Zero Dawn is a great example.
@@marinaatkin1581 It is, but please don't take it personally if you see porn of a female character. It's not that people only see them for their physicality, but you can't stop the horny people from making porn. It's the same thing for male characters, although not to such an excessive degree. Blizzard just really sells their characters through their looks, which basically encourages this behavior.
As a famous blue hedgehog once said (that a goth rabbit co-opted); "I want shorter games with worse graphics, made by people who are paid more to do less and i'm not kidding". Indie gaming (and also just smaller AAA projects) are doing circles around the big AAA games right now. I am legit more hyped for a modern continuation of a anime arena fighter (Dragon Ball Sparking Zero) and a mecha fighting game (Gundam Breaker 4) than anything that the big studios are pumping out right now, because the big studios are producing stuff that is either buggy as fuck, insanely poorly optimized, boring as hell, or a combination of the previous 3 points. I hope the industry does shift for the better, or at the very least gamers show that they don't want any of the BS anymore
It's crazy that AAA games producers are legit making one of the same mistakes that contributed to the fall of Rome (contracting ppl with no loyalty to you instead of keeping your talent)
I know people were pissed off because of the new Dragons Dogma having microtransactions but that was people getting up and arms over a practice Capcom has done for years now
@@darndavid7569 more people will get mad at Capcom add my queen poison because she’s Trans, rather than them basically forcing you to pay for a classic costumes for your favorite characters like it’s less bad than what WB does with Mortal Kombat but it’s still pretty scummy and I don’t hear anyone talking about it. I’d rather talk about queer people somehow learning the gaming industry because it gets more clicks
They're doing good now, but there has been times they've been at the top of the shit list. Like how their business decisions killed Street Fighter X Tekken, how they released Street Fighter V with basically nothing but the VS mode, how they iced the entire Mega Man franchise for years or those two Umbrella Resident Evil games no one asked for.
@@guybrush20X6 yeah out of all the companies besides like Arc System Works they’re probably the best streetfighter six is so fun to play. All I want is is poison in the game and that’s it. That’s all I want. But having to pay a real life money for classic costumes is bullshit. It should be in the game by default as a thank you to fans at least same thing with Mortal Kombat. I should have to pay for brand new costumes. We haven’t seen before not classic costumes for these characters we’ve seen for years.
I really hope these AAA game studios learn about what will or could happen if they don’t do something good to their games to make it better and improve. (I played Starfield and still do 😅 because I liked space and the weapons. But over time, I really hope they improve the main core of exploration in gameplay and get rid of loading screens and put cutscenes of going into the atmosphere for takeoff and landing.) But my point is that I hope they learn from this to see how can they improve and not care so much about money like every big company does. btw, good to see you Spatnz!
My biggest fear is that game companies are going to think that the game not being buggy and taking time to cook is the issue. Not the fact it didn’t have an audience and was going to scam people.
The only character I think looks half decent is the yellow trashcan man. He look funny Also give them some credit, they aren’t *everything* wrong with the gaming industry right now, they had a working bug free game at launch! They’re 90% there
They spent 8 years on this game. And I say what’s another 4 more? They should’ve reworked the game as soon as hero shooters fell off, maybe into an intergalactic variation of Payday.
Something else to note is that a lot of the developers at Hopoo Games, the previous developers of Risk of Rain 2 before the IP was acquired by Gearbox, recently begab working on game development at Valve, which gives me hope for the future.
The issue with how Valve works is that if you let people do what ever they want, the vast majority want to work on new tech/ games and leave behind titles they are still monetizing like CSGO2 and TF2.
I feel like Capcom really is the only AAA Company I can actually trust with their big title releases. I've been really satisfied with every Resident Evil release for the last 8 Years. Oh and yeah Nintendo too ofc.
@@EldenLord-wh4ov Listen I know the passage of time is terrifying and quick to some but 2016 was 8 years ago, not trying to be condescending or anything so I apologize if I come of like that
This just goes to show you that these companies and most companies these days really just don't care about people. The ones who do the work and the ones who purchase the product.
Another issue we been seeing is that when a company does a bad product and people either make fun or criticize it, the people who worked on it Start insulting the consumers and I’m just perplexed cause back in the day if an employee does something like that, they would get fired but nowadays it feels like any employee can insult and attack fans without the worry of being punished.
Everyone would do it if their livelihoods were riding on the game they’re insulting fans over, human decency be damned. Doesn’t mean it’s not right, though.
To be blunt: it has no T&A, no sex appeal. Crushes or self-insertion or lusting after, it moves units. And advertises for the game subliminally on all R34 sites
@@marinaatkin1581 I don't disagree, but characters hot enough to warrant R34 are a great method of subliminal advertising. Which TF2 and Stardew had. It's not necessarily showing butts, but having characters that people want to be/fuck/romance.
Kinda wild to think studios like this used to release quality games. It's just that somewhere down the line, their focus just became purely on profit in the short term, which leads to lower quality overall. So glad Valve is sticking to their guns as far as taking their time making a polished product. Big studios could learn a thing or two about how to release quality over quantity.
@@fujinshu That wasn't on the table to begin with, the game wouldn't live forever and when it would get low enough it would shut down, there was never an option for preservation, it's either completely dead or alive, no in between with an offline patch. It's only option was to succeed and have a large dedicated player base. Almost no "Live-Service" that doesn't have a singleplayer mode already will be "preserved"
Since the beer virus hit, I seriously think the only games I've actually enjoyed have been Doom Eternal Baldur's Gate 3 Elden Ring Cyberpunk 2077 (seems like a meme, but seriously, I loved this game even when it was broken, because it had everything it needed there, CDPR management just fumbled it hard and Phantom Liberty alone delivered what was clearly there, just fucking fumbled) Ready or Not I have actually been going BACK in time playing games I missed like Nier Automata, Bayonetta, L.A. Noir, Noita, probably more that I can't think of
I think what makes this frustrating is that stuff has been bad for so long because no matter how bad games get, players will always find a bunch of ways defend it anyways, and some will outright actively harass or shun you for having genuine constructive issues with a game. *cough* MWIII *cough cough*
This is way big studios like PlayStation should try and focus more on smaller titles, like bringing back “Sly Cooper”. And it’s not just games that shouldn’t be expensive. Even movies need to stop being so expensive, especially from Pixar. Pixar, if you ever read this, I get it, you add tools to your own animation software for each film because you’re taking creative risks and you have a lot of animators. I get why “Inside Out 2” would have a $200 million dollar budget. But do you think it’s really absurd that you make more money in the box office with a budget of $20-70 million as opposed to $200-300 million? Hell, an average animated movie usually costs between $80-100 million dollars. Why aren’t your films like that? Hell, even “Toy Story”, your first ever film and the first ever fully CG animated movie ever, had a budget of $30 million dollars. Pixar, you need to stop doing expensive budgets. It doesn’t make you cool. And on top of that, outside of movies like “Luca”, “Turning Red”, and other Pixar movies that are stylized, movies like Toy Story 4, Lightyear, and even Soul focus way too much on photo realistic imagery. Photo realistic CG animation isn’t impressive anymore, since every other studio’s doing it. I mean, why else did people hate the animation in “Justin and the Knights of Valour” or “Monster Family”? Plus, the photo realism takes away from expression and creativity, especially since cartoon-y faces don’t mesh well with realistic skin and hair, which makes it look uncanny. So, Spatnz, you got a fantastic point.👍🏻
The downside about this game is now PlayStation's gonna think "Huh, guess the only problem here was not being Free To Play on lauch and nothing else. Guess we'll just make more low effort slop and just make it Free to start."
The problem is, it takes 10 games to fail to make some vocal group realise that the industry is shit and then it only takes 1 good game (that is still riddled with mtx) to make them forget.
With everything becoming more expensive and unaffordable, people are being a lot more picky about the media they consume. If I am going to drop $60+ on a game, it needs to be a good game and a complete game on launch. I can't afford to spend money on bad/mediocre products.
I'll believe CoD dies when I see it. I know people who actively complain about CoD, it's monetization, it's lack of innovation. And then they buy CoD. It looks like some form of insanity to me but it's what's keeping the franchise churning. Some people just want to buy Modern Warfare and Black Ops over and over. I don't have much love for AAA games anymore. I think indie/smaller studios (like Arrowhead, which employs about 100 people as opposed to the 300-1000 people a lot of big studios employ) are doing a fine job of filling in where bug publishers are fumbling. A game doesn't need a huge team to be good. I'd argue having a huge team is often an obstacle rather than an aid in making something fun.
This was a tremendous video in pointing out the problems with all of these AAA grade developers: Greed and Stupidity. All of these studios have massively popular and successful IPs, but they just keep on releasing slop using those names. Assasin's Creed isn't what it used to be, Halo is'nt wht it used to be, Starfield is ES Oblivion but released in 2023 and not 2006. Valve, FromSoftware and Remedy are Studios who make AAA games every time and always deliver big memorable experiences. Funnily enough, all of those studios are privately owned, not publcily traded, so they don't have shareholders and investors breathing down their necks.
I know the solution. Fire all real employees and just use AI! Man I really hope the CEOs don't do this. Just make a fun game! Maybe let the people actually making the games make the decisions.
Never understood the OW1 hate. Genuinely the lootbox shit people spew sounds like the played maybe 30min in total. I had like only 300hours in that game and I had all the skins I wanted. Never spent a dime.
@XD-sc4ix yeah, back in 1940, Standard games was a Hawaii based comapny that made arcade games for the military. They didn't relocate to japan untill 1952, where they were renames service games of japan. It wasn't until they merged with Rosen Enterprises when they first called themselves "SEGA"
I feel like in the modern day all game devs hate the games they work on because of awful executive decisions and horrible crunch hours that mentally degrade the devs and designers I wouldn't put alot of the blame on just the devs specifically. It's executives, investors, quotas, and profit.
The problem is obvious and you even pointed it out.
Valve is private, so it can do what it wants.
AAA studios are public, so line must go up. Line go up forever, and NOW.
could not articulate this any better. One is for games one is for money.
@@RandomBlackBox Valve is also more of an IT company than a game developer and has been that way for almost a decade. Their main source of money comes from Steam and its marketplace, they also make their own VR tech and now portable consoles. Their game development department is secondary and they have practically unlimited funding and time. If they make a game it's literally because the devs want to and have fun doing it. That's why they only did VR games in the last years.
There isn't a single other publisher in the industry that is so self-sufficient.
@@artaum5635 yes I know, my comment was more about the private vs public company setting.
Privately owned companies have the freedom to actually do the best they can. The CEOs are typically also people who are passionate about games.
As soon as it's publically traded they put someone in charge who has nothing to do with games, and that's where the magic ends.
@@artaum5635I largly agree.
Their game dev side of things is basically "Do what you're passionate about."
At least they've been working on Source 2, Deadlock, and seemingly two other game projects for the past 4 years.
Not to mention their next VR headset, SteamOS, and the possibility of another Steam Machine attempt.
We don't need big expensive to produce, but ultimately boring slop. We need easy, cheap, out of nowhere, fun slop. And that's what the big studios don't understand, it's not good just because you wasted a trillion dollars on development. It's good because the people who made it cared.
Indie developers all the way! Super chill while also being fun and open to improvements Ultrakill, Lethal Company, and others they really have passion for games. It's not because of politics or strictly bad developers that these games are failing it's developers being overworked and forced to make a profit orenatied game.
that Wukong game is expensive to make and sold lots
@@dreyga2In China. It sold like 500k in the US, which is good for an indie studio but not for a big budget release like Wukong. Thankfully, the game got sold 95% of its sales from China. Since the game sold 10m total (so far), that's 9.5m sales from China and 500k elsewhere.
Literally none of the gotys have been “slop”
@@Alcholic_catthat's cool but no one said thay
AAA companies think that lots of money + lots of time = a good game
They forgot they have to make the game something people actually like and enjoy
I don't think AAA games will change.
As long as people spend money on the games. As long as people spend money on microtransactions. They have no reason to change
The companies don't care about making quality games, all they care about is money. As long as they are going to make money in some way, they aren't going to change
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well, if everyone actually gets sick and tired of being fed slop, then they'll start caring about making good games.
EA with their Sports slops won’t go anytime soon
The thing is that people aren’t buying the games anymore and if the companies go out of business then oh well
That's what important about how hard this game flopped, it's such a *WASTE* of money this is Balan Wonderland tier sales this isn't a case of a *dead* game it's straight up DOA and is causing massive money leaks with projects like these, it's *finally* hitting these companies pockets, and that's what matters
Space marine 2 is AAA let's hope it will get into the "Good AAA games" list. And i just realised that it is one of the only games with free custumization in the past 4 years or maybe even more.
Super excited for space marine 2 already pre-ordered it
Finally, someone talks about it👏👏👏
I'm cautiously optimistic about it. Gonna wait for the reviews to roll out.
That more of a double a game than a AAA game
@@SirCringe22 What you did is exactly what's wrong with the industry.
bruh not even like 15 minutes after you posted this Video they announced Concords shut down in 3 days the absolute timing of this is insane
Game couldn't even last two weeks. 💀 A failure to rival Atari's ET.
IMO dustborn is worse
So bad people forgot about it day 1@@XD-sc4ix
I hope this finally becomes a wake up call for them cause holy shittamolli
@AUTTPINDONESIA-v9ohey, aren’t you a bot as well?
@jimmyyfga-p8n Oh shut up
@@thedemolitionsexpertsledge5552 I wish I was
Concord's biggest problem is the entire dev team, you can't insult gamers and then expect them to buy your game, maybe if they weren't so vocal on twitter the game could've been at most a mediocre succes
Update: It's concover
Nahhh the majority of people don't use Twitter
This game would've been a success if it was actually good and not a horribly outdated Overwatch clone
The only reason I'm not getting mad at the devs is because I know one of them and I'm trying not to be a downer for them.
Not even close, most people aren't terminally online like yourself, they never even heard of the devs let alone know what they are sayiny
*PAY ME $8 TO UNHIDE YOUR TWEET*
I remember seeing that somewhere.
@@flamingscar5263there's literally hundreds of videos about it man don't try to make it seem that it's just this guy's problem like if no one knew about stuff like this
This isn't the downfall of gaming, or even the downfall of AAA gaming. Nintendo and Steam are doing pretty well for themselves. This is the fall of bad publishers.
IMHO it's like an empire.
The larger the borders (graphics, size etc) the harder it is for quality to be assured, So cracks start to form (bugs).
Eventually something sparks the entire collapse and causes whatever kingdom/dynasty (Company) to implode.
It's why smaller nations (Indie studios) may be slower, but also have more quality.
Also, gaming used to be niche, so devs were more likely to ACTUALLY do stuff to appeal to those geek/nerd types, but now it's just any other medium, having the most bland and broad things to appeal to.
Inde games is like AAA games
Not every inde game is good or put effort on it
Most of it is just slop with little to no effort on it or at least mid
It's like 1000 games a year.there is 200 of it is good 20 game pretty amazing while the rest is shit
@@EyadAlsayd-is2vjYeah most indie games are crap, mostly "artsy games", low quality H-Games that mostly use AI, and RPG Maker slop. But there are PLENTY of good ones released every year. Honestly with indie games, the games that try WAY too hard to be "unique" are usually the crappy ones. The indie games that do really well are the ones that take an existing gameplay style that's underutilized and does something new with it. Hollow Knight is basically "what if dark souls but 2D, hand drawn, creepycute, but with platforming focus" and it's not only one of the best indie games, but also one of the best GAMES ever. Celeste is basically "what if Mario World Kaizo but actually fair and also gay af." Thchia is "what if Zelda Windwaker had a baby with Mario Odyssey." Timespinner is "what if Castlevania, but with space lesbians and time travel." Spark the Electric Jester is basically "Sonic meets Devil May Cry meets Kirby meets Evangelion." A Hat in Time is basically "What if Mario Sunshine but modern and without jank." Terraria is "What if Minecraft, but 2D, focus on combat and exploration rather than building, and way more content and progression?" Hades is "what if rougelike, but actually good and beginner friendly?". Cuphead is "Contra, but boss-focused and styled after 1920s cartoons?" Every great indie game takes some existing concept and refines and innovates on it. The indie games that fail are the ones that try WAY too hard to be unique, quirky, "relatable", or be overly story-focused. Those are the games typically shown off in Nintendo's indie world events, and yeah, most of those games are slop. But there are SO MANY good indie games out there, many of which most people have never heard of. Stuff like Pseudoregelia or ZeroRanger or Crystal Story.
You can say the same thing with Independent Animation, Movies, Music, and TV Shows...All kinds of entertainment mediums get too big where quality is not the priority and quantity and money is paramount to everything else.
Me just standing here with Limbus company, and just chilling with a game that functions, has a good story, a group of appealing interesting characters and fun addicting gameplay
Fellow Project Moon fan
LIMBUS COMPANY!!!
oh hey i was listening to this while doing exp luxcavation
Gee, the Project Moon fandom is spreading faster that I thought.
Can’t go to a video and not see a Project Moon related comment now…
(Not a complaining, just a bit surprised.)
100 million pm fans are abouta show up. Remember folks, save ya lunacy for walpurgis in 2 days
Concored just got shut down, sales have ceased and everyone is getting a refund.
2 indie recommend
- ultrakill
- cruelty squad
- Pizza Tower
- Deltarune chapters 1&2 demo
-trepang2
-signalis
A man of culture, I see.
Peak recommendations back to back
-Hollow Knight
-Blasphemous
I still dont get why these companies that put so much work in animating and making high quality models and doing high tech mocap stuff dont just make a movie or tv show.
0:46 hey man leave conker's bad fur day alone
2:00
you can if the rig is the same and the body has a similarish shape, but if you completely redesign a characters shape and design its a lot harder to do
@jimmyyfga-p8n shut up
A lot of people shit on me because they thought I was defending the game, but all I was doing was telling people to find a good reason to dislike the game rather than going for the knee-jerk “it’s *woke*”
Well woke and unappealing are synonyms tbf
@@dentheduck2095 if you do not know what the word woke means, then yes. Look it up
@@dentheduck2095along with any antonym of working
@@dentheduck2095woke just means polite
I feel ya, but honestly it's kinda a shame that the "woke" has done it more to itself. They've kinda had the worst people and companies spearheading their ideology that now it is associated with bad quality. Can happen to any ideology if the main folks promoting it are such bastards but in this modern age it just happens to be that woke has these bad actors.
I ain't even a part of their group and I can see the wolves in sheep clothing on their side. Same as on mine with the NRA. Ya gotta look out for em bastards always convincing you they're on your side.
The problem is that a lot of these companies are going to think the solution is to keep throwing even MORE money at the problem, which will only make things even worse
The moment people stop buying COD games is the moment people stop buying NBA/Madden/FIFA games, stop playing gacha games or stop buying a new IPhone yearly
Unfortunately they’re not you or me, EA and Activision know their audience consists of way too many men and boys who don’t play a lot of video games (and especially teens that often do a lot of sport and then go to college on a sports scholarship anyway).
6:39 speaking of Valve, they just hired the original creators of Risk of Rain and more notably Risk of Rain 2 which is an absolute banger of an indie game so it’s nice to see they got hired by the best triple A company out there
Escape from Gearbox
And the ones that fled to back 4 blood are gone, exiled to hell. Can't have it any better
Realism in games has overstayed its welcome.
I agree with you. A studio is the people, not the name.
Companies need to stop hiring incompetent people who hate the games they work on. Whatever dev teams looked like in 2009, hire people like that.
I feel like in the modern day all game devs hate the games they work on because of awful executive decisions and horrible crunch hours that mentally degrade the devs and designers I wouldn't put alot of the blame on just the devs specifically. It's executives, investors, quotas, and profit.
@VenrirVenin
Agreed people claim it's all the developers fault and them pushing politics and being bad developers is what makes games bad. But this really doesn't look at the industry as a whole, games in recent years have become super profit focused vs being focused on making a game. A bit of diversity or one cringe developer does not destroy an entire game.
PAY YOUR DAMN EMPLOYEES!!!!!!
@redflag0477 I misread your comment originally but yeah agreed
@@2goober4u yes 100%
7:44 elimination of competition. Innovation is not cheap, and moving from a profitable formula is scary for investors, so it logically makes sense to get the competition and gut it for parts. (Most of these people, Im willing to bet are forced into non compete contracts of some kind, even if I don't have the evidence to substantiate such a claim.)
Didn't non-compete agreements get outlawed because of this chicanery?
@rattle_me_bones it would be bad for them if they couldn't do it so naturally they blocked it in court
Here's the biggest uncomfortable truth that could lead to the complete collapse of the video game industry.
......Grand Theft Auto VI may suck.....
It HAS to be a PERFECT game.....if it doesn't pass the smell test, it's doomed.
It probably won't suck.....but it could o_o
oh dude, if it fails. History is going to repeat itself like with E.T!
It most likely will suck. It's been in development for fucking ever. That's not a good sign. Add to that that the legacy studios known for bangers after bangers (Blizzard, Ubisoft, Bungie, Rockstar, Bethesda, etc.) Have been releasing flop after flop lately I'm confident GTA VI is going to be mediocre at best.
I hope it sucks just so the gta+ crap R* is probably adding to it will collapse gaming
@@estefencosta1835 rdr2 was in development for 8 years and look how it turned out, now the same company is doing it again, with a bigger map, better(?) graphics, hundreds of events, a possibly bigger story, and tons of new mechanics from gta v, yeah that's a pretty justifiable reason for the development to take so long
If gta6 flops every single aaa exec will jump out of the window
8:21
What you're describing here might have something to do with this thing called the 'Trust Thermocline'.
It comes from the word 'thermocline', which refers to how the temperature of a body of water changes as you go deeper, specifically in how the temperature remains alright up until the point where it suddenly drops and only gets colder further down.
The trust thermocline is a somewhat similar thing, where customers can suddenly drop a product and never come back if their trust is sufficiently tested. This is because potential customers have a lower tolerance for breaches of trust than existing customers. Once you break the trust of your existing customers, you've already gone way past the point of potential customers having any trust in you.
honestly the games are why nintendo is still afloat, call them asshats all you want and be right about it, they have got quality standards
yeah, nintendo's the dr house of gaming, they're assholes, but they're assholes who are good at what they do
I've heard of Pokemon being kinda ass. I ain't played since the DSi ones but man it sure looks bad. Then again, I think Gamefreak is the one that works on it and not really Nintendo. Not completely sure about that last bit.
Btw I mean the DSi Pokemon I played was good but the new ones ain't look like they were made with quality in mind.
See, making the character designs all super-unappealing will acomplish the one thing overwatch has been trying to do for years and failed at. It will make it so that there is almost no pогn of these characters online. So really, they learned the exact wrong lesson from overwatch.
Ironically, the HUMONGOUS amount of available Overwatch Porn made the game even more popular and well-known.
I honestly kinda hate that modern gaming audiences think that's what female characters need to be to make a good game. I'm a woman and I want to be seen for more than my physical attributes. I have hobbies, a job, things I enjoy, a personality. Plenty of older games recognized this. Portal 2 was a smash hit and Chell is arguably quite average looking, how much porn have you seen of her online? Give women in games proper personality and identity and the game will be just as popular as any pornified franchise. Horizon Zero Dawn is a great example.
@@marinaatkin1581 I don't think that is a particularly common belief. I was just cracking a joke.
@@commenter_HIMIK-MAN Ah, I didn't recognize it as a joke. Tone is hard to convey over text
@@marinaatkin1581 It is, but please don't take it personally if you see porn of a female character. It's not that people only see them for their physicality, but you can't stop the horny people from making porn. It's the same thing for male characters, although not to such an excessive degree.
Blizzard just really sells their characters through their looks, which basically encourages this behavior.
As a famous blue hedgehog once said (that a goth rabbit co-opted); "I want shorter games with worse graphics, made by people who are paid more to do less and i'm not kidding".
Indie gaming (and also just smaller AAA projects) are doing circles around the big AAA games right now. I am legit more hyped for a modern continuation of a anime arena fighter (Dragon Ball Sparking Zero) and a mecha fighting game (Gundam Breaker 4) than anything that the big studios are pumping out right now, because the big studios are producing stuff that is either buggy as fuck, insanely poorly optimized, boring as hell, or a combination of the previous 3 points.
I hope the industry does shift for the better, or at the very least gamers show that they don't want any of the BS anymore
lmao goth rabbit, did you mean surge??
@@SketchiStudios115No i think its the trans girl who made bloodborne kart they are talking about.
@@Jak239JC oh lol
It lasted only 10 days… it’s sad
This is why i like that valve develop gams for a long time it means they are makeing the best experince for gamers in their games
It's crazy that AAA games producers are legit making one of the same mistakes that contributed to the fall of Rome (contracting ppl with no loyalty to you instead of keeping your talent)
And my dad thinks that when I say I want to be a game developer I am talking about this kind of developer
This game will change literally nothing. People will forget about it in a week
5:10 what is capcom doing here? Worst they’ve done as of late is overmonetizing sf6
I think he just grabbed a random PNG of a bunch of different logos for gaming
I know people were pissed off because of the new Dragons Dogma having microtransactions but that was people getting up and arms over a practice Capcom has done for years now
@@darndavid7569 more people will get mad at Capcom add my queen poison because she’s Trans, rather than them basically forcing you to pay for a classic costumes for your favorite characters like it’s less bad than what WB does with Mortal Kombat but it’s still pretty scummy and I don’t hear anyone talking about it. I’d rather talk about queer people somehow learning the gaming industry because it gets more clicks
They're doing good now, but there has been times they've been at the top of the shit list. Like how their business decisions killed Street Fighter X Tekken, how they released Street Fighter V with basically nothing but the VS mode, how they iced the entire Mega Man franchise for years or those two Umbrella Resident Evil games no one asked for.
@@guybrush20X6 yeah out of all the companies besides like Arc System Works they’re probably the best streetfighter six is so fun to play. All I want is is poison in the game and that’s it. That’s all I want. But having to pay a real life money for classic costumes is bullshit. It should be in the game by default as a thank you to fans at least same thing with Mortal Kombat. I should have to pay for brand new costumes. We haven’t seen before not classic costumes for these characters we’ve seen for years.
I really hope these AAA game studios learn about what will or could happen if they don’t do something good to their games to make it better and improve. (I played Starfield and still do 😅 because I liked space and the weapons. But over time, I really hope they improve the main core of exploration in gameplay and get rid of loading screens and put cutscenes of going into the atmosphere for takeoff and landing.) But my point is that I hope they learn from this to see how can they improve and not care so much about money like every big company does.
btw, good to see you Spatnz!
My biggest fear is that game companies are going to think that the game not being buggy and taking time to cook is the issue. Not the fact it didn’t have an audience and was going to scam people.
The only character I think looks half decent is the yellow trashcan man. He look funny
Also give them some credit, they aren’t *everything* wrong with the gaming industry right now, they had a working bug free game at launch! They’re 90% there
They spent 8 years on this game.
And I say what’s another 4 more?
They should’ve reworked the game as soon as hero shooters fell off, maybe into an intergalactic variation of Payday.
one of the best parts of being a retro gamer is being completely unaffected by whatever is going on in the industry now
Something else to note is that a lot of the developers at Hopoo Games, the previous developers of Risk of Rain 2 before the IP was acquired by Gearbox, recently begab working on game development at Valve, which gives me hope for the future.
Look man all I care about is that Astro Bot is releasing in *_two_* days
The issue with how Valve works is that if you let people do what ever they want, the vast majority want to work on new tech/ games and leave behind titles they are still monetizing like CSGO2 and TF2.
A lot of these indie companies are made of these ex triple a and then are able to make better games good on them
I feel like Capcom really is the only AAA Company I can actually trust with their big title releases. I've been really satisfied with every Resident Evil release for the last 8 Years.
Oh and yeah Nintendo too ofc.
@@AUTTP_Loid-q8fGood bot.
@@AUTTP_Loid-q8freplying so ot can spread
@jimmyyfga-p8n
Fun Fact: Reporting is free.
Even 5 and 6? I mean they're not that bad, but most people were pretty disappointed of those two
@@EldenLord-wh4ov Listen I know the passage of time is terrifying and quick to some but 2016 was 8 years ago, not trying to be condescending or anything so I apologize if I come of like that
Didn't expect to hear a Persona 3 song in a Spatnz video
Persona Q2: Paulownia Mall
This just goes to show you that these companies and most companies these days really just don't care about people. The ones who do the work and the ones who purchase the product.
4:17 I never expected to find an English-speaking TH-camr using a clip from a Spanish-speaking TH-camr, Illojuan in this case, as an example.
Another issue we been seeing is that when a company does a bad product and people either make fun or criticize it, the people who worked on it Start insulting the consumers and I’m just perplexed cause back in the day if an employee does something like that, they would get fired but nowadays it feels like any employee can insult and attack fans without the worry of being punished.
Everyone would do it if their livelihoods were riding on the game they’re insulting fans over, human decency be damned.
Doesn’t mean it’s not right, though.
Arrowhead fixing their mistakes was a huge clutch
Concord's characters look like Fortnite rejects.
A lot of them look like skins you could get for 800 vbucks five years ago
The betrayal of little ceaser
Cocord died for gaming's sins
Skull and bones sounds like something I would like
Todd Howard with his 100+ charisma perk will sell you Starfield 3 more times and you will have fun with it anyway
To be blunt: it has no T&A, no sex appeal. Crushes or self-insertion or lusting after, it moves units. And advertises for the game subliminally on all R34 sites
Games can exist without sex appeal and still be popular and fun. Games like Rocket League, FIFA, Stardew Valley, TF2, Horizon Zero Dawn, etc.
@@marinaatkin1581 I don't disagree, but characters hot enough to warrant R34 are a great method of subliminal advertising. Which TF2 and Stardew had.
It's not necessarily showing butts, but having characters that people want to be/fuck/romance.
Kinda wild to think studios like this used to release quality games. It's just that somewhere down the line, their focus just became purely on profit in the short term, which leads to lower quality overall. So glad Valve is sticking to their guns as far as taking their time making a polished product. Big studios could learn a thing or two about how to release quality over quantity.
I hate that I have to say this, but capitalism ruined them. The pursuit of money was the death of their creativity.
AVGN warned us for years about these.
Son Wu Kong game looks pretty good too.
Indie games know what we want
Money talks, if broken slop games continue to make the most money through micro transactions then that’s where the corporates will go
This is space marine 2 is gonna do so well ,no microtransactions , single player , pve and pvp , and a dev team who clearly are passionate
I like you use Tony Hawk pro skater music in this video.
Everyone thinking games will change because of this, like come on. We all know they are going to keep doing things like this
Bad games deserve to fail so shit is not rewarded and quality is. Vote with your wallet.
This is what happens when HR dictates how to make the games
The only way to appeal to shareholders is to Cut costs and raise prices. This always comes at the cost of the customer getting a worse product.
I'll be honest, I kinda like the alien characters. Idunno, they look pretty cool to me. I still wouldnt play it.
September 6 will be a celebration for the consumers.
Can I know why ?
@@EyadAlsayd-is2vjGame's dead, servers shut down and consumers refunded
@@someguy6152 thanks you
And a loss for preservationists.
@@fujinshu That wasn't on the table to begin with, the game wouldn't live forever and when it would get low enough it would shut down, there was never an option for preservation, it's either completely dead or alive, no in between with an offline patch.
It's only option was to succeed and have a large dedicated player base.
Almost no "Live-Service" that doesn't have a singleplayer mode already will be "preserved"
Since the beer virus hit, I seriously think the only games I've actually enjoyed have been
Doom Eternal
Baldur's Gate 3
Elden Ring
Cyberpunk 2077 (seems like a meme, but seriously, I loved this game even when it was broken, because it had everything it needed there, CDPR management just fumbled it hard and Phantom Liberty alone delivered what was clearly there, just fucking fumbled)
Ready or Not
I have actually been going BACK in time playing games I missed like Nier Automata, Bayonetta, L.A. Noir, Noita, probably more that I can't think of
I still like cheese
Same I also really like cheese
Seems kind of cheesy, isn’t it? Lol
they tried to copy deadpool he says baby knife when ever he uses it lol.
When you try to appeal to investors, it comes at the cost of the Customer. This is true in every single industry.
I think what makes this frustrating is that stuff has been bad for so long because no matter how bad games get, players will always find a bunch of ways defend it anyways, and some will outright actively harass or shun you for having genuine constructive issues with a game.
*cough* MWIII *cough cough*
This is way big studios like PlayStation should try and focus more on smaller titles, like bringing back “Sly Cooper”.
And it’s not just games that shouldn’t be expensive.
Even movies need to stop being so expensive, especially from Pixar.
Pixar, if you ever read this, I get it, you add tools to your own animation software for each film because you’re taking creative risks and you have a lot of animators. I get why “Inside Out 2” would have a $200 million dollar budget. But do you think it’s really absurd that you make more money in the box office with a budget of $20-70 million as opposed to $200-300 million? Hell, an average animated movie usually costs between $80-100 million dollars. Why aren’t your films like that?
Hell, even “Toy Story”, your first ever film and the first ever fully CG animated movie ever, had a budget of $30 million dollars.
Pixar, you need to stop doing expensive budgets. It doesn’t make you cool. And on top of that, outside of movies like “Luca”, “Turning Red”, and other Pixar movies that are stylized, movies like Toy Story 4, Lightyear, and even Soul focus way too much on photo realistic imagery. Photo realistic CG animation isn’t impressive anymore, since every other studio’s doing it. I mean, why else did people hate the animation in “Justin and the Knights of Valour” or “Monster Family”? Plus, the photo realism takes away from expression and creativity, especially since cartoon-y faces don’t mesh well with realistic skin and hair, which makes it look uncanny.
So, Spatnz, you got a fantastic point.👍🏻
Helldiver's problem is that the devs have a paperweight on the nerf button
at this point the genre got fumbled so bad that new games that are in it are automaticly considered bad
I genuinely believe that most of the major gaming corporations going bankrupt will be good for everyone long term, even with the massive job loss.
The downside about this game is now PlayStation's gonna think "Huh, guess the only problem here was not being Free To Play on lauch and nothing else. Guess we'll just make more low effort slop and just make it Free to start."
The problem is, it takes 10 games to fail to make some vocal group realise that the industry is shit and then it only takes 1 good game (that is still riddled with mtx) to make them forget.
Sega hyperventilating a sigh of release after cancelling Hyenas 6 months ago
I smell layoffs in Sony’s future, unfortunately
With everything becoming more expensive and unaffordable, people are being a lot more picky about the media they consume. If I am going to drop $60+ on a game, it needs to be a good game and a complete game on launch. I can't afford to spend money on bad/mediocre products.
I'll believe CoD dies when I see it. I know people who actively complain about CoD, it's monetization, it's lack of innovation. And then they buy CoD. It looks like some form of insanity to me but it's what's keeping the franchise churning. Some people just want to buy Modern Warfare and Black Ops over and over.
I don't have much love for AAA games anymore. I think indie/smaller studios (like Arrowhead, which employs about 100 people as opposed to the 300-1000 people a lot of big studios employ) are doing a fine job of filling in where bug publishers are fumbling. A game doesn't need a huge team to be good. I'd argue having a huge team is often an obstacle rather than an aid in making something fun.
I’m sort of confused
Bro, have you seen the video of a streamer almost burning down an apartment while streaming!
I knew COD was going down hill fast when i didn't even know vanguard was a game half a month after it released
I would be interested in helldivers 2
This was a tremendous video in pointing out the problems with all of these AAA grade developers: Greed and Stupidity.
All of these studios have massively popular and successful IPs, but they just keep on releasing slop using those names. Assasin's Creed isn't what it used to be, Halo is'nt wht it used to be, Starfield is ES Oblivion but released in 2023 and not 2006. Valve, FromSoftware and Remedy are Studios who make AAA games every time and always deliver big memorable experiences. Funnily enough, all of those studios are privately owned, not publcily traded, so they don't have shareholders and investors breathing down their necks.
showing up to give a huge thanks for the walkthroughs for ds123
Some new videos this week
We have been so starved for good AAA games post pandemic. Indie games and non AAA games have been getting nothing but dubs in the meanwhile
I'm just waiting for CDPR or Techland to Cook again.
Witcher 4 or DyingLight 3
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I know the solution. Fire all real employees and just use AI!
Man I really hope the CEOs don't do this. Just make a fun game! Maybe let the people actually making the games make the decisions.
Deadlock is a AAA game. its a breath of fresh air!
I am a proud racist and I'm glad this game is gone.
Vale is the sleeping dragon
Never understood the OW1 hate. Genuinely the lootbox shit people spew sounds like the played maybe 30min in total. I had like only 300hours in that game and I had all the skins I wanted. Never spent a dime.
Funny thing is you show sega in the "it started as a small passionate group" argument, but sega's roots come from the american military of all places
Wait what?
@XD-sc4ix yeah, back in 1940, Standard games was a Hawaii based comapny that made arcade games for the military. They didn't relocate to japan untill 1952, where they were renames service games of japan. It wasn't until they merged with Rosen Enterprises when they first called themselves "SEGA"
I feel like in the modern day all game devs hate the games they work on because of awful executive decisions and horrible crunch hours that mentally degrade the devs and designers I wouldn't put alot of the blame on just the devs specifically. It's executives, investors, quotas, and profit.
Today feels like the ugly child of Monday and Wednesday.
This is why indies are great