What does the word "Braunstein" mean and why is it important that we use it?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 ก.ย. 2024
- After a recent twitter controversy involving the use of the word "Braunstein" to describe a diplomacy-style war game, here is why I think it is important that we use the correct words to describe this type of game.
For more info about Braunstein games, you should watch Secrets of Blackmoor or listen to the multitude of people who have been talking about this concept including @dundermoose , @Scutifer_Mike , and@NightDangerRPG
Griffs suggestion of changing the name of each game just serves his purpose of keeping everything esoteric so people have to buy his products. They are using the Unveiling the Diety cult tactic with Dave Wesely. It is a common way to market these types of things. Hes a Griff-tur.
The other point is to allow people to learn and explore the game type like you suggest. This is key for the growth and fidelity of the Braunstein.
A Braunstein is defined as a brown colored mug of beer
DaveCant figure out that you cant copyright a playstyle.
did you guys know that HG invented Lightning, the bear and the letter Q. It's true
I cant believe people can find the time to have this kind of drama over ttrpgs and I'm just over here trying to find some people to play Symbaroum with me IRL.
Gods! Symbaroum is top shelf!
Like I said on X, I don't understand why this was such a controversy.
Sounds like a VtM table.
Call it a splatstein, that way we can completely divorce other people's contributions from the term and the bold IP defenders can gatekeep and be completely pleased with themselves.
Call it something different and make your own version of it- So basically what everyone else already does?
Definitions are important, but people getting upset about pronunciation is wild. It isn't racism; it's just regional vernacular and accent. It's incredible how many people want everyone to speak, think, and behave the same way.
(coughCOMMIEScough)
I'm just going to use my standard regional accent!
@@harmony_ginger You have a pretty flat American accent, anyway. The bastards just want to silence people and control everything 🤨
Always remember "People on twitter aren't real". Stay safe out there.
Language only works when we all agree on the meaning of a word. Braunstein is an adjective as used by Harlony Ginger, not a noun or name. I don't understand why there's controversy around that.
Braunstein was developed and started around 1969/1970
@@vinniefinnagan thanks!
The date was loosely listed in Secrets of Blackmoor. That’s important because 1973, Dave took Blackmoor, the game inspired by Braunstein and was using it as his primary game
Multiple independent actors operating in a fog of war is not a sufficient definition of Braunstein. That definition covers practically any wargame with more than one player. Fight in the skies, for example has multiple independent actors in a fog of war. Any RPG has multiple independent actors acting in a fog of war. Anyway Harmony, I like your channel and open approach. If you would like to have me on sometime, let me know. We could talk about Blackmoor history or my blog or the Tonisborg book, anything you like really.
@@danielboggs2013 It's a bit of a loose definition, yeah. I think there is quibbling over it and people are trying to piece it together and reverse engineer from the info we have.
Speaking for the older crowd. Trust me, it's not a generational issue.
My bad! 😅
The real braunstein was the friends we made along the way.
If you run a game that has 15+ people all exploring the same map in groups of 4-5 players, that’s not a “West Marches” campaign it’s an “East Warches” campaign.
I'm doing a mini-one for my in-person group of friends just to try it out. Setting it in Kendermore on Krynn, and styling it as a treasure hunt / Swap-meet. Thinking two of four player being a Kender, and two being Tinker Gnomes trying to get a few important things from the Kender.
Doing a small one-off session, settling things with a simple 2d6 resolve mechanic. Going to state that violence will not be a method of acquisition just so they have to think a bit more on their feet and roleplay.
Braunstein ist die Sammelbezeichnung für Mangan-Minerale und synthetisch hergestellte Manganoxide mit einer ungefähren Zusammensetzung von MnO1,7 bis MnO2.
Hey, it's Ren using the God Of Ka account, will use it from here on. Braunstein essentially became like how a good number of people treat D&D. D&D has a lot of original settings DMs can run, but my experience seeing D&D games and running my own is we just create our own settings while still using the D&D ruleset. I still enjoyed seeing how your Braunstein played out, as ive mentioned plenty already, and hope to use the tarot or something akin to that to develop a pantheon my group can be proud of.
Thank you!
Good video on the subject, I think with enough time the old guard will realize that its healthy to disagree, but its a failing when those disagreements lead to stronghold invasions and flung molotovs. Unless its in a braunstein of course.
Thank you!
Ok, to be perfectly honest, I don't really know the "Braunstein" drama, but as someone who studied philology, I can say that's not how languages work. You can't moderate and own words that enter the everyday/colloquial language. Otherwise, we wouldn't have words like hoover or band-aid. Language is a living beast and it cannot be tamed.
Edit: Typos.
Spent enough time online you'll experience drama. Spent enough time online as a popular content creator you'll start to get sued
I'm bewildered that someone would try and stop someone from using the word 'Braunstein' when running a game that fits the description of such. Let's not forget that Dave Wesley, Gary and Arneson were heavily influenced by other game designers (namely strageos). I highly doubt Wesley would be concerned about this matter and I can only imagine he would be flattered by the fact that the name he used for a niche game he runs is gaining some traction with a handful of people in the OSR community.
Keep doing you and don't worry about the white noise that will forever clog the airwaves.
This thing has taken on a life of its own. Congratulations. I wonder how big it will get?
Meenwhile im going to eat my hot wings that i got at a bar
Because i cant call them buffalo chicken wings can i ?
I have no idea what Braunstein is and how I ended up here.
So Braunstein is just PVP faction play?
Interesting. but it doesn't sound like something that can be copyrighted or patented. but then again I don't work at the patent office either.
It can be Trademarked as a brand name.
Call it OpenBraun in honour of the modding community
What an odd thing for them to get upset about
Your points for continuing using the term are valid.
The whole claim against it seems so silly. Good on you for sticking to your guns.
From down here in New Zealand this sounds like a storm in a Seppo's Teacup. I had never heard of this before I saw Diversity& Dragon's interview with Griff yesterday and am still trying to figure out WTF it is all about. Back in 1980 we used to play this thing we called PW (Personalised Warfare) that sounds awfully like this Braunstein.
As for the pronunciation - all I could think of was Gene Wilder in the movie Young Frankenstein saying "My name - it's pronounced "Fronk-en-steen."
Diversity and Dragons interviewed Jeffro yesterday. Griff was interviewed on Dunder Moose. 😅
@@harmony_ginger Yeah I muddled up the names. But also the first time I had ever heard of either person.
"Brrrrooooon--Shteeeeen"!!!! (kidding)
Braunst-EYE-n, Braun-sTEEN, Tom-ay-to Tom-ah-to. Sprechen sie deutsch? Why does it matter how you pronounce it as long as people understand what you’re saying? It’s not somebody’s name.
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At about 6:30 in Wesely describes his original name for the game (The Multi-Player Multiple Objective Game) & it’s very close to a definition. He also explains that everyone just called it & every other game after it a braunstein after the name of the 1st session & it stuck.
Braunstein has been in the vernacular since those days & has been used as a colloquial term referring to that play method ever since. There is no reason to stop using it in that way, especially in casual conversation.
You did nothing wrong.
Cool!
I still like 'brawn stain'.
This vid qualifies as a Brainstein! 😉
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I actually think its /braunshtain/.
It maybe 1968
Hi, Ginger!
It's good to see you. I was just thinking of those old days when you would have a guest on for a cordial but interesting conversation. Seems like ages ago, doesn't it?
Or maybe taking about how your campaign is going. I personally miss the updates on the arachnids.
How you are doing well
Oh yeah, and by the way, I think you've got a strong point here and i applaud you standing your ground. For the record, I did a quick search but could find no copyrights or trademarks registered to the word 'Braunstein'.
@@JackMcCarthyWriter hah thanks, I'm going to be doing that again, just had to take some weeks off!
@@harmony_ginger take your time, looking forward to your triumphant return
Should we start calling them Braunstein-adjacent?
People still use the dead blue birdie app? That is the real controversy here! Anyway, I like the idea of a Drudenstein now.
I like my bird app