Yeah, when I was writing TNG fanfic, I had one of the early NPC victims ask, "Computer, which Federation starships are closest?" And a list appears on the screen with Enterprise like fifth down. Then his boss says, "Belay that! Which ship can get here the *fastest*?" And the list reorders to put Enterprise at the top. Wafer thin plot logic, I know, but better than none, I thought...
Well, sort of. The Constellation was the closest ship to the Doomsday Machine. The Intrepid was closest to the Space Amoeba. The Exeter was first at Omega IV. So the Enterprise was the 2nd closest ship ;)
That 4 minute "nostalgia glamour shot" was a huge highlight of the movie to many of us who were there to see this movie in the theaters in 1979. Until then, the only video many of us had ever seen of the Enterprise was the standard definition NTSC broadcast TV model aired from a local TV station and viewed on our tiny, staticky CRT TVs. The unveiling of this beautiful Enterprise on the big screen the way they did in this movie gave many 70's Trekkie kids like me chills. It was fantastic. Hard to appreciate that today with everything looking great with modern CG but back then, this unveiling - especially when we see the first shot head-on with the ship - was breathtaking
Not everything looks great with CGI. There's something about models (if done well) that makes it look real. Moon (2009) chose models over CGI with great success.
The Enterprise model itself was given spectacularly more detail in the films (the warp nacelles are the most obvious difference), nicely explained by the refit Not only was it everyone's first time seeing it on the big screen, it was (I think we can all agree) an even better looking Enterprise
Um, Robert Wise directed the original The Day the Earth Stood Still and The Andromeda Strain. So, he's EXACTLY the guy you want directing this film. Also, he edited Citizen Kane. So there's that too.
Okay, as much as I love your channel, I gotta sin you back on a few of these... 1. The 'dual focal length thing with the blur around the edges' is called a 'diopter'. Robert Wise loved using it because you can fill the wide cinema screen with background stuff in focus as well as foreground cast members. 2. Ilia has a line of dialogue about the ship taking time to return to sublight speed after the wormhole is generated, and yes, blowing the asteroid up coincided with the aforementioned time delay for exiting the aforementioned wormhole. :-) 3. Spock says "Computer commence recording" and addresses Kirk about documenting his trip into V'ger at the beginning of his EVA. That's who Spock is 'talking to'. 4. Her name is Ilia, pronounced 'Eye-lee-ah'. Cripes, it's said often enough in the movie. 5. Before they go for a walk to V'ger, Chekov says "I read an Oxygen/Gravity envelope forming outside the Enterprise".
Also, regarding 0:32, those Klingon ships are not "capable of cloaking." Klingon ships with a cloaking device were introduced in Star Trek III ("Bird-of-Prey"): "The Bird-of-Prey is one of the most common Klingon ships seen in the Star Trek franchise. Introduced in Star Trek III: The Search for Spock [...] The Bird-of-Prey is the first Klingon vessel depicted with a cloaking device; all classes chronologically later in the series would also use a cloaking device."
And yet Leia sees the Falcon and comments on how brave Han & Luke were to come in that. Mary Sue refers to the Falcon as junk. I guess it's like Boss Hogg calling the General Lee "that clunker car".
2:19 "not even as cool as the Millennium Falcon" Sorry, but I'm gonna have to give you 1,701 movie sins for that comment. ST:TMP may be a boring movie, but those 4 minutes of audio-visual splendor are mesmerizing.
After a minute and a half of that beautiful music in the beginning with just darkness then 2 minutes of that beautiful music accompanying the credits, I fast forward through the ship porn every time I watch this movie!
@@Astroman10 I'll say this for the spaceship porn: it did create a lot of spaceship footage for the later TOS films, bringing down their cost. No need to worry about anyone being distracted by recognizing those scenes from TMP, because it's not like anyone would ever watch TMP twice!
@@ecliptorcalrissian5014 You're right, I wouldn't watch it twice.....I've lost count of how many times I've seen TMP. It's my 2nd favorite ST movie (The Wrath of Khan being first favorite, and First Contact being my third favorite).
Yeah, I would say that the Falcon has feats on his side but considering the insane BS that the Enterprise went and carried her crew through before even getting this refit I can't even say that. The refit 1701 and the 1701-A just have this look and mythos about them that no other ship does.
What do you mean who is Spock talking to..? It's pretty clear he's recording a log so that the information he learns can be studied later, especially because he thinks he may die. That's not a sin, that's not understanding the obvious.
@Walrus Bellhop Not quite, there was another theme written by Jerry Goldsmith and recorded for TNG that was more synth based, and really didn't do the job. It is used in a couple of early episodes here and there. But with a deadline approaching the decision was made to reuse the theme from TMP mixed with the TOS fanfare. A new recording was done and that was it. A variant was used in TNG's premier episode 'Encounter at Farpoint' when the ship separates. This one has tubular bells and so on. The rejected theme was later played backward and pitch shifted up as part of the Borg theme from the episode 'Q Who' although this was replaced by Ron Jones Borg theme for 'Best of Both Worlds' it did make a cameo in 'The Emissary' flashback to Sisko battling the Borg in DS9.
Just watched this movie again on Amazon Prime and the biggest problem I had with it was Star Fleet's crazy decision to make Kirk the captain of the Enterprise (and demote Decker). There was no reason whatsoever why Kirk could not have commanded the mission (as an Admiral) and Decker retained command of the Enterprise. This is standard practice in the navy. A ship's captain cannot be expected to deal with the responsibility of carrying out a difficult mission while also commanding a ship (especially a reconstructed one he knows little about). The way they did it makes no sense whatsoever and just created unnecessary tension between the characters. They should have left Decker as captain and developed him as a strong character (rather than a whiny bitch). I think this would have given us a better movie.
The had to do it to basically make Decker a absolute nothing so that he was expendable and could become one with Voyager. Or Kirk was being a big ass crybaby and they gave him back the ship.
while logical that would not be true to original trek spirit. firstly, in order to function completely well on the enterprise kirk needs complete control of the ship, full autonomy or he cannot carry how his duties to his best ability. kirk needs to be in the captains chair, to hve that intuitive feel for the ship so he can command the mission without any of strong will being held bsk. decker wasnt demoted, he was still captain, just not for this mission. it was a temporary change in the chain of command. decker's objections while reasonable at first became unacceptable when berating a man who was a total starfleet legend and an admiral. kirk was head of starship command for two years immediately following his five year mission on the enterprise-you cant be head of starship command without having indepth knowledge of starfleets ships. theres not a lot of technological progress that can happen in two years. the changes in ship design were minor ones. kirk always had an intuitive feel for the enterprise. that could not change following minor alternations. And in fact the only time the issue of kirk's lack of knowledge about the new enterprise's design, was when he ordered phaser to take out the asteroid, when phasers were off line because of the situation in the einstein-rosen bridge. decker corrected it to photo torpedoes. when decker explained, kirk admitted he was wrong, and asked decker to nurse him through other minor changes to the ship. in terms of the mission-the asteroid was the single only time kirk made a mistake. so decker was wrong that kirk would endanger the mission-rather kirk's wisdom and problem solving abilities ,negotiation abilities and cunning .saved them and won the mission. If decker had been captaining/leading the enterprise on this mission, the enterprise' would have been destroyed as decker insisted on offensive postures and attacking the alien anomaly, but thankfully spock was there to side with kirk in saying that was futile given their total superiority. decker would also have continued scanning it, and everytime anyone scans the alien, it attacks the ship or the outpost, taking its human crew and retaining them only in the form of saved data. it was kirk who saved them and the ship by stopping all scans and all offense of any kind. and it was spock who ceased attacks on the enterprise by achieving communication with the entity. all of decker's ideas if they had been acted on would have destroyed them all. this is because kirk recommended decker for the captaincy of the enterprise, perhaps remembering how he had been the youngest starfleet captain in history and that had not turned out badly. but decker though talented and with youth swagger and confidence did not have the necessary experience of kirk to do this monumental mission to save humans on earth from invasion and entire annihilation from the alien structure. this is not appropriate for the first day on the job for a starship galaxy class captain. this guy would have been on small star class ship with fifty to one hundred crew at most. kirk has been in these kind of dangerous seemingly no win situations so many times as we saw in star trek original series and his human cunning in how to defeat his enemies wins everytime. Even if spock had been without kirk in those situations, spock would have lost, having only the narrow perspective of logic. it was kirk who always saved the day nine five percent of the time. spock arrives and repairs the enterprise to full capacity in no time, with full warp capability kirks actions ensures the enterprise comes out of the whole mission virtually undamaged. kirk's captaincy and control of enterprise result in a successful nullifying of the alen threat.decker is the one to sacrifice himself-mainly for the chance to be with that delta girl of became the probe from v-ger, withwhom he had somekind of romantic relationship on delta. again having decker manipulate the droids memories of the delta woman was kirks idea. we see throughout that decker is too bewildered by whats going on to have kept a level head as captain of the enterprise, whether being only in charge of the ship or of both the ship and mission. and lastly the enterprise was always kirk's ship. and him getting the enterprise back is an emotional fan warming event at the beginning of the movie. its sci-fi not navy protocols. decker was a strong character and i didnt find him whiny. he stood up for himself. but what most of us want to see is kirk as enterprise captain far more than as admiral, because while its wonderful to see kirk rewarded for his exploits in space with such recognition, kirk wants to be in space exploring, and his love of the enterprise is beyond anything in his life. the movie was great. the scenes at starfeel at the beginning when kirk arrives at starfleet are so wonderful .as are the time in the alien structure, and the finding out of who vger is. and probably the greatest threat to earth seen in startrek. also having it set so close to earth in our solar system is wonderful. the uniform variations look great . the movie was superior to the original tv series. only the opening scene with the klingons the special effects were terrible. which is strange because they are excellent during rest of the movie. my only problem with kirk era trek is that they dont show hardly any of the crews daily lives, their recreation or much of the ship. and there are no character arcs. but in the first film character arc appear immediately-spock on vulcan in the vulcan last removal of emotions task, and his different appearance with long hair. the doctor with a beard, and there is more harmony between the doc, spock and kirk than tv series. kirk has matured not only in appearance. the ship's design is different. and we get to see some of it. other issue zulu and chekov remain unchanged still in the same seats, stlll at the helm. they surely cant still be ensign and lietenant. surely they would have been promoted by now and assume more responsibilities. and the communications offer-surely she would now not be still sending friendly transmission of all frequencies, and that's it. but overal , it has the best opening scene at starfleet ever made,and best return to enterprise ever. the dangers to earth and the enterprise are real.who or what vger is is intriguing and kept me excited, was a strong first star trek movie.
In 1979, I saw this movie in a theater and I was absolutely blown away. My 10 year-old mind was overwhelmed with the scope and the ultimately optimistic message. I'll never forget that.
Bob Wise co-directed West Side Story (alongside choreography/stage play director Jerome Robbins). And let's not forget he directed 'The day the Earth stood still' and 'The Andromeda Strain.' Both of which are sci-fi movies!!!
@sweetblackblood1 not really but when Bones McCoy rejoined the Enterprise, he had a full beard and he was wearing something that the Bee Gees would wear . So, he kinda looks like a member of the Bee Gees
As a representative of humans from before this movie was made I have been sent to explain why the movie was made in this fashion. We were a loyal legion of trek fans who grew up with the series who had to live in a world without Star Trek for 15 years. We had no hope of ever seeing more Trek again. Then this movie was made and we rejoiced. We stood in line to buy tickets. We stood in line to enter the theater to watch the opening night of the movie. To be honest, if they had showed us a picture of Kirk for 5 hours we would of enjoyed it and cheered. As it was we had this movie, the greatest movie of all time, and we cheered. It was a celebration of Trek. You just had to have grown up in a world without cell phones, computers and well, fun. This movie was fun.
I have a question, did the audience cheer at all during the pod's Enterprise flyby? I remember other people mentioning that. It certainly one of the most beautiful sequences in Trek.
I waited in line but was disappointed and insulted. They put the cast into a 2001 rip off and left out the Star Trek elements. The exterior shots of our girl were cool, but other than that, it was dull and plodding. They thought "The Cage" was too cerebral only 10 years before?
One sin missed was Dekker's curious comment of "Voyager 6 disappeared into what they used to call a black hole." So if 'black hole' is now a redundant name, why use it? That's a bit like turning up to work and saying "I had a lovely drive to work in what they used to call a horseless carriage".
Not to mention the fact that it would take a Voyager probe - which moves at a tiny fraction of light speed - thousands of years to reach the closes star, much less the closest black hole to our solar system. Hell, Voyager 2 is just reaching the edge of the solar system today (late 2018) after being in flight for 41 years.
Real Black Holes are incredibly destructive. Nothing would survive a trip through one, including Voyager 6. This is probably the writer's way of saying, "Voyager 6 passed through a Space Plot Hole Thingy" without having to explain it.
@@_WillCAD_ Thanks, I thought i had many of the holes worked out, but you're right warp is such a game changer that we would be passing all of our probes.
Dude.. i"m' a Star Trek AND Star Wars lifer.. The Starship (especially this one) Enterprise is faaaaaaaaaar cooler than the Melinium Falcon and the Falcon is cool as f*ck!
Couldn't agree more. Even that I love Han Solo and his most precious ship, the Enterprise Refit is, without a single doubt, one of the most beautiful starships ever designed! Sorry Han :p
I love the Falcon, but the fact is that the Falcon is SUPPOSED to be a run-down freighter, the kinda ship you expect a guy like Han to have. The Enterprise is the Federation's flagship, so of COURSE it's bigger, shinier, faster, and more heavily armed. Both ships are perfect for their intended roles in their respective story.
35: Given how many real-life technological innovations were inspired by Star Trek, it stands to reason that Gene Roddenberry already thought of something similar to the Cloud.
You've got to remember, when this movie came out, we hadn't had any new Star Trek in ten years. It was exciting to see the crew back in action, despite any flaws. We certainly couldn't have anticipated all of the new series and later films.
There was Star Trek the Animated Series, where they replaced Chekov with an alien because they didn't want to pay for his voice work. But I don't think that was syndicated so people missed it.
Doesn't matter. The movie truly earned its moniker as the slow motion picture. I still recall sitting in the theater thinking, "Alright. Enough with the purple and blue clouds. Something happen already!"
@@betaneptune Listening to other script possibilities, if they'd picked one of those it wouldn't have been any better. And part of the budget went to Star Trek: Phase II. No good stories there either, eh?
People have also called it "Star Trek: The Motion Sickness" and "Star Trek: Where Nomad Has Gone Before," based on the plot's similarity to TOS "The Changeling." I have to admit that even after being blown away by the amazing visuals, I've caught myself nodding off a couple of times during the really slow parts of the film. Still, the Enterprise is a great-looking starship. 🖖😎
Robert Wise also directed The Day the Earth Stood Still, one of the greatest science fiction movies of all time. I'm sure someone else knew this, but I don't feel like scrolling down that far.
The part where they fly around the Enterprise is the coolest damn thing ever. We finally get to look at the ship in detail and it lives up to all expectations. “Not even as cool as the Millennium Falcon.” Bullshirt. The NCC 1701 refit is a beautiful ship, and totally cool.
Yeah and I'm sorry, but honestly, the Aluminum Falcon doesn't look anywhere near as cool, streamlined, or advanced as the Enterprise. Hell, the Falcon isn't even the best looking ship in Star Wars.
the blur down the middle of the screen is the split-diopter lens which is essentially bifocal glasses for the camera. It allows one to pull focus on one near and one distant object simultaneously.
...and they they still get used today not just up to and including the 70s. This particular CS video is full of naff observations. I know it's only a joke but they're normally more accurate.
No, they're normally full of sarcastic jokes not meant to be taken seriously, which makes everyone who complains about a particular video in the comments look like idiots, every time. :D
DesertDog1178 In my defense, this movie came out 15 years before I was born and it is widely regarded as a piece of shit. So it's not exactly a movie that I have ever seen as a "must watch".
I thought this movie was boring but then I watched it again and simply loved it. No shooting, high-pace chasing or fighting or other boring stuff most movies has. I fell totally in love with it.
its because they're waiting for Ryan Reynolds to voice himself, playing the role of deadpool, to say "Ding" every time something is non-canon. then to have Ryan Reynolds, playing as deadpool to have a snappy comeback to anything.
He has said a number of times on his twitter that there's a good chance they're aren't gonna do it: because it's a comedy, which they don't do, and because of its self-sinning nature. A while back he said that they are gonna look into it, but that we shouldn't expect much
Another thing. You can certainly mind meld through a space suit. Spock once mind melded with an individual on the other side of a wall made of solid rock.
The joke is that the mind meld is just random magic that works however. That's certainly true for the show as well; practically every time it shows up it works a different way or has a different effect.
Except during the Horta episode "The Devil in the Dark", Spock told Kirk that in order for him to mind meld with the Horta, it would be necessary for him to touch it.
The main trouble with this film, was it tried to be 2001:A Space Odyssey meets "The Changeling". It may have been far better if they had in fact had it based on The Changling, with the probe in question being a co-=creation from the impact between Nomad and whatever it was it collided with. Even better option (with 20/20 hindsight) had been revealed that the object it collided with be an advanced entity, whose goal was to acquire information on all the species it meets,. adapting them to meet its needs where possible.. although it had (like Nomad) lost the contact with the rest of its 'hive mind'. "proto-Borg anyone?). And one should never forget, when it comes to coolness... The Enterprise was iconic long before the Millenium Falcon was a glimmer in the eye of George Lucas... Just as , for example, The TARDIS was cool before the Enterprise. And as for long drawn out sho0ts of the spacecraft in question, I dread to think what you'd make of anther (at the tiume iconic) long shot of the revelation of a major space craft... Zero-X
They did in a couple of the novels, many of which are licensed works. In Shatner's novel "The Return" there was a section where supposedly Spock was saved from being assimilated because he had mind melded with V'Ger, who had been to the Borg homeworld. There are some other novels that mention it, though none that come right to mind and it's listed as possibly canonical on both the Memory Alpha and Memory Beta wikia pages.
@@Petrucio5501 The game Legacy uses the V'Ger Borg idea as a premise of the story. There was a lot wrong with that game, but the story was decent enough having to connect roughly 200 years of Star Trek 'history'.
In one of the reference works they said V'Ger didn't invent the Borg but crashed on the Borg homeworld was enhanced by the Borg to complete its mission and would be internally consistant
@@Petrucio5501 always thought the borg were the direct result of wesley crusher's experiments with nanites and their interaction with Data as a communications conduit... so they had the basic humanoid bipedal construct to work with and with microscopic wormholes everywhere it is conceivable that at least few of them were transported both through space and time and developed into the nearly invincible Borg ....thanks a lot Wesley
And this is what happens when a studio invests a bunch of money into a TV series, cancels said series before it premiers, and then tries to recoup costs by turning a single episode into a full length movie. On the plus side we got Star Trek 2 through 6 (minus 5) out of it. =P
My thought about this story line. Vger is on a mission to collect, and assimilate knowledge to serve itself. Kirk allows the captain he displaced at the beginning to join with Vger, which would enhance the carbon unit by adding it's own technology, creating a half breed cyborg, and Vger went off not be heard from again at the end of this movie. At least not to be heard from again until Captain Picard, and his crew run into the Borg! Yes, Admiral Kirk helped create the Borg!
Apparently, the Borg have been around before V’Ger was sent out. Of course (weird supporting theory time) perhaps Q sent the Human-Machine being made from Decker and V’Ger back in time, resulting in the Borg
CinemaSins, I'm sinning *you* for sinning Robert Wise. He is a great director in many genres, and has sci-fi props for directing two classics: THE ANDROMEDA STRAIN, and THE DAY THE EARTH STOOD STILL (the original, of course). Sinning him is just ignorance.
Explains the length of this movie, though. Both of those Sci-fi movies are tension-focused, using the effects minimally as tools to move the drama forwards (_Day_, with Gort as the Implacable Threat) or with no effects at all (as in _The Andromeda Strain_)- when given this movie, he directed it in a similar way, with the long pauses meant to build tension. It probably would have worked, seeing as this is a movie about a potential apocalypse based on a mysterious alien device, but I think the somewhat shoddy effects and the emotional, well, baggage of it being Star Trek, turns what could have been an interesting, thrilling moment into something cheesy and, well, boring.
Earthenfist I certainly agree this is not one of Wise's better movies. He's got a few other klunkers in his filmography. But sinning him as a choice of director *specifically* because this is a Sci-Fi movie?!? Ignorance.
He also gave one sin because he didn't understand why Spock was "talking to himself" when Spock was in a space suit doing a space walk approaching one of VGER'S apertures. Spock was talking out loud to provide an audio-recording of his findings in case he didn't survive. This was clearly spelled out in the movie yet this guy gave it a sin for this. A lot of the sins he assigns make absolutely NO sense, as they aren't sins at all but merely his own lack of understanding...
+Earthenfist "...the somewhat shoddy effects..." You've gotta keep in mind, this film came out in 1979. For its time, these were fabulous special effects. This film had an immensely large budget compared to The Wrath of Khan.
Jace Fincham Remember, though, that this is also after 2001 and Star Wars. Space effects in that year ought to be rather better than rotoscoping, fuzzy-backed 'green screen' and obvious models.
"Not even as cool as the Millennium Falcon." Come now dude, I like the Falcon and the glamour shots in this movie were overdone, but the Refit Connie is one of the most gorgeous ships to ever grace the silver screen.
It's all good. Figured you didn't mean it that way. Just messing with you. Cyan (the company that made Myst) is coming out with a new game that's being branded as a "spiritual successor to Myst" called Obduction this summer. Can't wait!
The Enterprise looks more like some randomly twisted hunk of metal a severely overpaid asshole was commissioned to produce by a severely wealthy asshole to be placed in some palace of navel gazing than a vehicle.
VitalVampyr True, true... But what can we do? Not everybody is skilled enough to design a ship with the cockpit positioned in such a way that the rest of the ship blocks almost the entire left side of the pilot's view... ; P
at 2:37 Mysteries of Star Trek: For modern day Earth space programs to build a ship that large, they would build it in space so that it doesnt need to be contained in a launch shuttle fitted with escape boosters. This is somewhat realistic even for Star Trek, since (I'm assuming) it would be easier to build it in orbit.
Yes and no. Some Trek ships are shown to be capable of flying inside of an atmosphere, for example the Intrepid class (aka Voyager) can even land on most planets. But even the constitution class (aka the enterprise) can maneuver within earths atmosphere. However assembling a ship in space is much more practical as even the individual components would be too large and heavy to be transported in and out of a planets atmosphere by common means.
They also show it floating right above a planet in Into Darnkess. It's much too large and I don't think it has magic anti-gravity like Star Wars ships seem to, at least in the original movies/series.
Those are D7´s arent they? And a D7 can cloak. But it doesnt matter IF they can cloak because they opened fire and this isnt possible while cloaked... The only ship capable of fireing its weapons while cloaked is the Reman warbird Scimitar
Watching sci-fi movies from the late 70s and early 80s makes you realize how ahead of his time Lucas and Star Wars were with their visual effects. Especially space flight and battles.
The movies were originally going to be a relaunch of the series, Star Trek Phase 2, since it was 10 years after the end of the original series. Anyhow, they got geared up for a series, Paramount scraped the plans, and decided to turn it in to a movie. Part of the story was originally going to be the pilot of the new series. This movie is about reintroducing the love affair for the Enterprise after being gone for 10 years. They were showing off their practical effect models and the fledgling beginnings of CGI. The film and the state of the Enterprise itself showed how they were rushed and not ready. None the less, the humanist story is superb.
Yeah, definitely not a movie for impatient people. But people that are patient will find some nuance and relatively clever story hidden in this movie. You just need to be patient and pay attention.
It's the EXACT plot of the season two episode "The Changeling" but made an hour longer by insanely boring padding. That's NOT nuance and cleverness us impatient people aren't sophisticated enough to grasp.
Klingons were never shown to have cloaking tech until 2 movies later... The Next gen style theme wasn't in the opening credits until later releases of the film (it was in the Kirk introduction at Starfleet Command though)
my recent rewatch of this shows after 4:14, Decker puts on a slightly different uniform where the shirt covers the pants for the rest of the movie and thankfully the uniform Kirk puts on does the same thing.
in the old days if you didn't have anything to say you just sat in the darkness and pondered your own fantasies - nowadays if movie director has nothing to say he blasts you with hours of meaningless action that leaves no room for your own fantasies
Connor Machin did i though? - it is useful to learn to be polite and don't waste your time on second guessing the conspiracies about the ways others are trying to hurt your feels. It saves you loads of time for you can spend evaluating pros and cons of modern meaningless action and retro meaningless lethargy for example.
There's slow like 2001 A Space Odyssey, where every scene had the characters or scenery doing SOMETHING significant, and then there is "holy shit, we need to pad out a one hour tv episode into a 2 hour movie. Just show long shots of different things going on outside the ship."
the only people who hate startrek are typically the ones who dont understand it or never watched it, or never gave it a chance. its the same thing for starwars too when it comes to starwars haters. the two completely different science fiction franchises, happen have the most similar reasons why people hate them, its quite annoying really, cause their both equally good, and mostly focus on the wonders of science and what is possible in the universe.
I remember seeing this as a kid in theatres. So unbelievably excited just to sit in an uncomfortable seat for what seemed like 5 hours and fall asleep. Not what I was hoping for
I saw it on a school field trip for being a safety patrol on the bus. Most of the other kids were screaming the whole time, so I didn't really see it until I got the much longer VHS tape.
I saw it when I was 13 and while the special effects were pretty cool, it was pretty boring. They could have lopped off an hour of the movie and it would have been a lot better.
How is there no sin for not seeing the much more interesting movie where Bones was apparently practicing medicine at Studio 54 in the 70's before being beamed aboard the Enterprise?
Rather than list all the supposed sins that are not actually problematic, I'll just say this: As someone who has been a Star Trek fan since 1966, I saw ST:TMP in a packed theater on opening day. The audience clapped and cheered for each name as the opening credits rolled.
I did too, as a 19 year old college student..... It was the best Star Trek ever! Until ... The Wrath of Kahn came out. Then we all realized how over done TMP had been done, and we tried our best to forget it ! :-)
Oh, tisk tisk tisk, skipping a whole scene in a movie that explains in detail, part of the sins you gave in the last 6 minutes, cheating to pad sin counts is cheating. *ding*
Exactly. I was looking through these comments wondering if anyone was going to point out that before they elevator outside the ship Chekov (I think) states there's an oxygen/gravity envelope forming out side the ship..so, yeah, they damned well do know there's air out there. I suppose you can sin them for trusting V'Ger not to suddenly take that away and suffocate them, but come on... The far bigger sin is arguably why is there an elevator that lets you out at a random point outside the ship. That always bugged me.
craftyb22 It wasn't a random part of the ship though, it was the front of the saucer. Now, you could say why where they so big compared to the saucer, now that is a sin.
I loved this - everything you said was sooo funny. It makes me want to watch the film again and laugh. No wonder it is called "Star Trek - The Slow Motion Picture"
the second game, Riven, is a masterpiece. Myst is like Riven's prologue, so you can jump into Riven without having to know Myst. Riven is also where the series originally ended. In terms of gameplay, narrative and presentation Riven is a masterwork. The rest of the series is hit or miss. Riven makes for the best entry point and is by far the best one.
In terms of visuals and presentation my favorite is Myst 3: Exile. But there's nothing like the original. I have realMyst: Masterpiece edition, which is a 3d re-rendering of the original game.
11:33 "who is he f*cking talking to???" if you hadn't fell asleep (hard i know), but Spock actually says he's recording narration for when they find his body.
Sorry, dude, but you gotta take off one sin for every time you mis-pronounced Ilia's name. eye-LEE-uh. Not ILL-ee-uh. lev-ee-OH-sah. Not lev-ee-oh-SAH.
The long, drawn out shots of the Enterprise are called "hero shots" and they do that at some point in all the movies, and in the various series. Those hero shots in ST:TMP might seem too much by today's standards, but bear in mind that nobody had seen the Enterprise on the big screen before, and it had a sleeker, cooler (yes, cooler than the Millennium Falcon), look to it. Of course they were going to give the fans a good long gawk at the updated Enterprise! I thought it was cool as hell when I saw it in the theater as a kid... We also had longer attention spans back then... :-) But that's not to say he movie couldn't have benefited from better pacing and editing.
Heh, good one. Gotta answer some of your (asked or not) questions: - The Klingon cruisers can cloak, but can't fire whilst cloaked. I guess you sinned this before you watched the Undiscovered Country, though. - LOL Vulcan boners... they're actually really, REALLY illogical about mating. Go look up Pon Farr and the Koon-ut-kal-if-fee. - Chekov and Decker know what would happen if they fired phasers whilst in the wormhole. Chain of command has been broken in the past when the officers felt their superior was making a mistake. In the Mirror Mirror episode, when the violent Kirk from the mirror universe comes aboard the "prime" universe Enterprise and orders the destruction of Halkan; or the final ep of TOS, where that bitter angry chick used alien technology to switch bodies with Kirk, she gives ridiculous orders that convince everyone to disobey the "captain". - "Not one person in the crew shrieks in terror" because they've seen some serious shit since they joined Starfleet. I mean, have you even watched the series? people turning into rocks and being ground into dust, people shrinking the Enterprise, giant ethereal hands crushing the Enterprise, aliens changing their cellular structure to shift forms, sentient clouds merging with a chick to bang Zefram Cochrane... - "Who is he f*cking talking to?" He must be recording a log, Starfleet is pretty big on the logs. And yes, Spock can technically meld through space-suit gloves and even through solid rock; he just doesn't do it often, and it's not as effective (from what I gather). - They went out without space suits because, yes, somehow, V'ger just created breathable atmosphere there (and artificial gravity).
I think it was established that starships cannot fire while cloaked in TOS: Balance of Terror already. In "The Undiscovered Country" Valeris and Spock make it sound like only Birds of Prey can cloak, but in TOS: The Enterprise Incident it seems like a cloaking device works on every kind of spaceship - as long as its high-powered enough, because, according to Balance of Terror, the cloaking field drains the engine.
At the time this movie was released, Klingons didn't have cloaking devices - Romulans did. Klingons got the cloak as of Star Trek 3, the Search for Spock.
The whole "the Enterprise is the only ship in the area" excuse might have worked in The Original Series, where the ship literally was the only one in the area most of the time, being on a five-year mission exploring uncharted planets. That excuse doesn't work so well when it's orbiting above the capital world of the Federation. How many ships does this Federation have, and where are they? (ding!)
"Tactical" is not a name. It is a command. When he says "Tactical, stand by on torpedoes" he is saying "change from the straight video display to a computer-generated tactical situation display and arm torpedoes."
it IS boring. and i love star trek. if it is boring it is. but i must say that the themes amp explores are quite intriguing. i love it even if it is boring.
Almost, just almost, but not quite. Into Darkness was better than this one, but I still think that Khan in that one was just bland and useless, compared to the crazy dude who lived on a desert planet for several years.
Yes this movie is flawed, but I still love it. It has a sense of adventure that's missing in most of the movies. Its not my favorite, but its decent enough. You should do Star Trek 5. What a piece of shit that is. Then there is into darkness which said hey lets take a good movie, rip it off and then ruin it. Much of this movie's problems come from Paramount giving them an unrealistic deadline before they even had a script. It was so behind schedule they started filming with half the script missing. Oh and you missed the part where Chekov says, "I'm detecting an oxygen gravity envelope forming outside of the enterprise". That's why they didn't need space suits.
gajbooks It wasn't necessarily a script error, Han was supposed to be a bullshit artist to some extent; the sort of guy who would get himself into trouble by making extravagant claims but with just enough skill and luck to get away with it. The writer probably just saw him as engaging his mouth to defend the honour of his beloved ship without caring about factual accuracy because the character wouldn't have. Of course you're correct about the post-facto explanations being made-up to justify Han's BS.
Oh ffs sake this movie came out in the early 80's more than 12 years after the beloved (by fans - not producers or advertisers) series was canceled 3 years into their "5-year voyage". There were 'laws' they couldn't break. The extended glamour shot of the enterprise was all about Trekkie-nerd love and reintroducing all of us to the new ship. You clearly weren't around for the original series and the kind of impact this film was intended to deliver to long-suffering fans.
The show only became popular in syndication, it got low ratings in its original fun. And the movie is garbage, easily the worst in the franchise. And not only is it bad, but it's bad and way too long. Right from the beginning the movie tells you it's bad with almost a minute long black screen
We fell in love with Star Trek in the 60's. They gave us two and a half seasons. We missed it so bad. We pined for something, ANYTHING Star Trek. Finally, they gave us this. We all knew it sucked, but it was all we had.
Yeah, but then they made 20 sequels to this movie to try and make up for it, and even then they still failed to produce anything worthwhile. Okay...."Wrath of Khan" wasn't too bad. But then again, it was a recycled Star Trek TV episode, and it *did* have Ricardo Montalban in it (arguably the best part of the movie).
@@randallulrich This was a recycled TV program too, "The Changeling" about the probe Nomad, which had merged with another probe to become super powerful and that nearly destroys the Enterprise before thinking Kirk was its creator.
@12:34 - "WHY did none of you wear a f*cking spacesuit?!?! Goddamn! Is there air?? You don't know!!!" Yes, they do! There was a previous line about a breathable envelope forming around the Enterprise and V'Ger. Something like, "Now reading an oxygen / nitrogen atmosphere" New show.... Cinema Sins Sins!
That moment when your too early and all the comments say first so you are trying to say something cool and worthy of getting top comments, but don't know what to say so you just ramble on. Sup. ;)
yep, but that time they had a full movie's worth of script, and a joke about a Russian guy asking the american navy where they kept their nucliear Wessels
If you like this movie and Star Trek in general, check out Star Trek Continues. Fan made Web series that finished the original 5 year mission. The two-part episode " To Boldly Go" provided a great segue from TOS to TMP, complete with showing Kirk getting promoted, and the last ship's log entry aboard the TOS Enterprise. Plus Amy Rydell is HOT portraying her mother's character the Romulan Commander from "The Enterprise Incident".
Star Trek Rule No. 1:: No matter what's happening anywhere in the galaxy, The Enterprise will always be the closest ship.
And the only one in the quadrant.
Yeah, when I was writing TNG fanfic, I had one of the early NPC victims ask, "Computer, which Federation starships are closest?" And a list appears on the screen with Enterprise like fifth down. Then his boss says, "Belay that! Which ship can get here the *fastest*?" And the list reorders to put Enterprise at the top. Wafer thin plot logic, I know, but better than none, I thought...
Well, sort of. The Constellation was the closest ship to the Doomsday Machine. The Intrepid was closest to the Space Amoeba. The Exeter was first at Omega IV. So the Enterprise was the 2nd closest ship ;)
H.D. Armstrong I like to think things like this happen all the time, but this is one of the instances where the original is the closest.
because...the script is just written that way...DUH!!!!!!
That 4 minute "nostalgia glamour shot" was a huge highlight of the movie to many of us who were there to see this movie in the theaters in 1979. Until then, the only video many of us had ever seen of the Enterprise was the standard definition NTSC broadcast TV model aired from a local TV station and viewed on our tiny, staticky CRT TVs. The unveiling of this beautiful Enterprise on the big screen the way they did in this movie gave many 70's Trekkie kids like me chills. It was fantastic. Hard to appreciate that today with everything looking great with modern CG but back then, this unveiling - especially when we see the first shot head-on with the ship - was breathtaking
That explains a lot actually. Ty. ❤
That glamor show was a reintroduction to Enterprise. It was also meant to show that she is a character in the movie and she is Kirk's first love
Not everything looks great with CGI. There's something about models (if done well) that makes it look real. Moon (2009) chose models over CGI with great success.
The Enterprise model itself was given spectacularly more detail in the films (the warp nacelles are the most obvious difference), nicely explained by the refit
Not only was it everyone's first time seeing it on the big screen, it was (I think we can all agree) an even better looking Enterprise
@@arianaalioth It really does. I was baffled about why they shot that scene that way.
Um, Robert Wise directed the original The Day the Earth Stood Still and The Andromeda Strain. So, he's EXACTLY the guy you want directing this film. Also, he edited Citizen Kane. So there's that too.
I'm glad someone else thought this!
the guy who does these is often nit picky and stupid
Someone else did. And someone else, too. If you read through all the comments.
Thank you. Know this channel is fun and snark but least some respect for film history is due, especially with Wise.
Yeah, but reading sucks.
Okay, as much as I love your channel, I gotta sin you back on a few of these...
1. The 'dual focal length thing with the blur around the edges' is called a 'diopter'. Robert Wise loved using it because you can fill the wide cinema screen with background stuff in focus as well as foreground cast members.
2. Ilia has a line of dialogue about the ship taking time to return to sublight speed after the wormhole is generated, and yes, blowing the asteroid up coincided with the aforementioned time delay for exiting the aforementioned wormhole. :-)
3. Spock says "Computer commence recording" and addresses Kirk about documenting his trip into V'ger at the beginning of his EVA. That's who Spock is 'talking to'.
4. Her name is Ilia, pronounced 'Eye-lee-ah'. Cripes, it's said often enough in the movie.
5. Before they go for a walk to V'ger, Chekov says "I read an Oxygen/Gravity envelope forming outside the Enterprise".
Thank you for pointing these facts out.
Always someone who takes CinemaSins waaaaaaaayy too seriously lol
@ChristophBrinkmann bit late to the party there...
Also, regarding 0:32, those Klingon ships are not "capable of cloaking." Klingon ships with a cloaking device were introduced in Star Trek III ("Bird-of-Prey"):
"The Bird-of-Prey is one of the most common Klingon ships seen in the Star Trek franchise. Introduced in Star Trek III: The Search for Spock [...]
The Bird-of-Prey is the first Klingon vessel depicted with a cloaking device; all classes chronologically later in the series would also use a cloaking device."
"Not even as cool as the Millennium Falcon."
Laddie... don't ya think you should... rephrase that?
At this point Han shoots Scotty under the table.
Beautiful!
And yet Leia sees the Falcon and comments on how brave Han & Luke were to come in that. Mary Sue refers to the Falcon as junk. I guess it's like Boss Hogg calling the General Lee "that clunker car".
bwt147 Which Mary Sue? Do you talk about Rey or Luke?
Which one stepped on board the Falcon and knew more about it than the man who had maintained and modified it for 40 years?
"The alien probe is closer to Earth than the viewer is to the end of this movie!" Love it.
2:19 "not even as cool as the Millennium Falcon" Sorry, but I'm gonna have to give you 1,701 movie sins for that comment. ST:TMP may be a boring movie, but those 4 minutes of audio-visual splendor are mesmerizing.
After a minute and a half of that beautiful music in the beginning with just darkness then 2 minutes of that beautiful music accompanying the credits, I fast forward through the ship porn every time I watch this movie!
The Enterprise is way cooler. Still, we don't need to spend that much time on it. It doesn't look good!
@@Astroman10 I'll say this for the spaceship porn: it did create a lot of spaceship footage for the later TOS films, bringing down their cost. No need to worry about anyone being distracted by recognizing those scenes from TMP, because it's not like anyone would ever watch TMP twice!
visuals? They absolutly suck have u not seen 2001
@@ecliptorcalrissian5014 You're right, I wouldn't watch it twice.....I've lost count of how many times I've seen TMP. It's my 2nd favorite ST movie (The Wrath of Khan being first favorite, and First Contact being my third favorite).
You lost me at "not even as cool as the Millennium Falcon"
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"...that piece of junk? You're braver than I thought."
Laddy, don't you think you oughta rephrase that?
Exactly
Yeah, I would say that the Falcon has feats on his side but considering the insane BS that the Enterprise went and carried her crew through before even getting this refit I can't even say that. The refit 1701 and the 1701-A just have this look and mythos about them that no other ship does.
What do you mean who is Spock talking to..? It's pretty clear he's recording a log so that the information he learns can be studied later, especially because he thinks he may die. That's not a sin, that's not understanding the obvious.
jay pee
Aka most of the sins
Keep in mind this isn’t a legitimate criticism, it’s part criticism part entertainment. Mostly just for entertainment.
jay pee
That what I thought!
jay pee -- you are correct.
It's not understanding what was stated by Spock seconds earlier. *Ding!*
oddyetwrird, entertaining criticism fails to criticize entertainingly. *Ding!*
It was Gene Roddenberry's decision to reuse the theme from Star Trek: The Motion Picture for Star Trek: The Next Generation.
We know that. Because what a Geeeeeenius.
Star Trek: The Motion Picture was a knock-on development of Star Trek (The Original Series) II; many concepts were reused.
Ya, so remove a sin.
@Walrus Bellhop Not quite, there was another theme written by Jerry Goldsmith and recorded for TNG that was more synth based, and really didn't do the job. It is used in a couple of early episodes here and there. But with a deadline approaching the decision was made to reuse the theme from TMP mixed with the TOS fanfare. A new recording was done and that was it.
A variant was used in TNG's premier episode 'Encounter at Farpoint' when the ship separates. This one has tubular bells and so on.
The rejected theme was later played backward and pitch shifted up as part of the Borg theme from the episode 'Q Who' although this was replaced by Ron Jones Borg theme for 'Best of Both Worlds' it did make a cameo in 'The Emissary' flashback to Sisko battling the Borg in DS9.
Actually it was an amalgam of the Motion Picture theme and the original series theme.
"Typical Klingon behavior: We don't know what this is... let's shoot it!"
That's racist. *DING!*
Well, so's everyone in Star Trek then. Everyone (including the Klingons themselves) would agree with him.
considering Klingons were once a slave species, I think their philosophy has served them well
LeoInterVir Who were they enslaved to? I've never heard of that.
+LeoInterVir
Nope, think you're thinking of something else buddy. Klingons have always been strong conquers.
Nope, they were once briefly conquered by another species, the Hur'q, before they achieved spaceflight.
Just watched this movie again on Amazon Prime and the biggest problem I had with it was Star Fleet's crazy decision to make Kirk the captain of the Enterprise (and demote Decker). There was no reason whatsoever why Kirk could not have commanded the mission (as an Admiral) and Decker retained command of the Enterprise. This is standard practice in the navy. A ship's captain cannot be expected to deal with the responsibility of carrying out a difficult mission while also commanding a ship (especially a reconstructed one he knows little about). The way they did it makes no sense whatsoever and just created unnecessary tension between the characters. They should have left Decker as captain and developed him as a strong character (rather than a whiny bitch). I think this would have given us a better movie.
smell's of manufactured conflict 'ding'
(also thx for that, didn't know about this but makes total sense when put like that.)
The had to do it to basically make Decker a absolute nothing so that he was expendable and could become one with Voyager. Or Kirk was being a big ass crybaby and they gave him back the ship.
while logical that would not be true to original trek spirit. firstly, in order to function completely well on the enterprise kirk needs complete control of the ship, full autonomy or he cannot carry how his duties to his best ability. kirk needs to be in the captains chair, to hve that intuitive feel for the ship so he can command the mission without any of strong will being held bsk. decker wasnt demoted, he was still captain, just not for this mission. it was a temporary change in the chain of command. decker's objections while reasonable at first became unacceptable when berating a man who was a total starfleet legend and an admiral. kirk was head of starship command for two years immediately following his five year mission on the enterprise-you cant be head of starship command without having indepth knowledge of starfleets ships. theres not a lot of technological progress that can happen in two years. the changes in ship design were minor ones. kirk always had an intuitive feel for the enterprise. that could not change following minor alternations. And in fact the only time the issue of kirk's lack of knowledge about the new enterprise's design, was when he ordered phaser to take out the asteroid, when phasers were off line because of the situation in the einstein-rosen bridge. decker corrected it to photo torpedoes. when decker explained, kirk admitted he was wrong, and asked decker to nurse him through other minor changes to the ship. in terms of the mission-the asteroid was the single only time kirk made a mistake. so decker was wrong that kirk would endanger the mission-rather kirk's wisdom and problem solving abilities ,negotiation abilities and cunning .saved them and won the mission. If decker had been captaining/leading the enterprise on this mission, the enterprise' would have been destroyed as decker insisted on offensive postures and attacking the alien anomaly, but thankfully spock was there to side with kirk in saying that was futile given their total superiority. decker would also have continued scanning it, and everytime anyone scans the alien, it attacks the ship or the outpost, taking its human crew and retaining them only in the form of saved data. it was kirk who saved them and the ship by stopping all scans and all offense of any kind. and it was spock who ceased attacks on the enterprise by achieving communication with the entity. all of decker's ideas if they had been acted on would have destroyed them all. this is because kirk recommended decker for the captaincy of the enterprise, perhaps remembering how he had been the youngest starfleet captain in history and that had not turned out badly. but decker though talented and with youth swagger and confidence did not have the necessary experience of kirk to do this monumental mission to save humans on earth from invasion and entire annihilation from the alien structure. this is not appropriate for the first day on the job for a starship galaxy class captain. this guy would have been on small star class ship with fifty to one hundred crew at most. kirk has been in these kind of dangerous seemingly no win situations so many times as we saw in star trek original series and his human cunning in how to defeat his enemies wins everytime. Even if spock had been without kirk in those situations, spock would have lost, having only the narrow perspective of logic. it was kirk who always saved the day nine five percent of the time. spock arrives and repairs the enterprise to full capacity in no time, with full warp capability kirks actions ensures the enterprise comes out of the whole mission virtually undamaged. kirk's captaincy and control of enterprise result in a successful nullifying of the alen threat.decker is the one to sacrifice himself-mainly for the chance to be with that delta girl of became the probe from v-ger, withwhom he had somekind of romantic relationship on delta. again having decker manipulate the droids memories of the delta woman was kirks idea. we see throughout that decker is too bewildered by whats going on to have kept a level head as captain of the enterprise, whether being only in charge of the ship or of both the ship and mission. and lastly the enterprise was always kirk's ship. and him getting the enterprise back is an emotional fan warming event at the beginning of the movie. its sci-fi not navy protocols. decker was a strong character and i didnt find him whiny. he stood up for himself. but what most of us want to see is kirk as enterprise captain far more than as admiral, because while its wonderful to see kirk rewarded for his exploits in space with such recognition, kirk wants to be in space exploring, and his love of the enterprise is beyond anything in his life. the movie was great. the scenes at starfeel at the beginning when kirk arrives at starfleet are so wonderful .as are the time in the alien structure, and the finding out of who vger is. and probably the greatest threat to earth seen in startrek. also having it set so close to earth in our solar system is wonderful. the uniform variations look great . the movie was superior to the original tv series. only the opening scene with the klingons the special effects were terrible. which is strange because they are excellent during rest of the movie. my only problem with kirk era trek is that they dont show hardly any of the crews daily lives, their recreation or much of the ship. and there are no character arcs. but in the first film character arc appear immediately-spock on vulcan in the vulcan last removal of emotions task, and his different appearance with long hair. the doctor with a beard, and there is more harmony between the doc, spock and kirk than tv series. kirk has matured not only in appearance. the ship's design is different. and we get to see some of it. other issue zulu and chekov remain unchanged still in the same seats, stlll at the helm. they surely cant still be ensign and lietenant. surely they would have been promoted by now and assume more responsibilities. and the communications offer-surely she would now not be still sending friendly transmission of all frequencies, and that's it. but overal , it has the best opening scene at starfleet ever made,and best return to enterprise ever. the dangers to earth and the enterprise are real.who or what vger is is intriguing and kept me excited, was a strong first star trek movie.
@@russellloomis4376 FINALLY someone who gets the plot points!!
@@shaunhumphreys6714 Best comment!
In 1979, I saw this movie in a theater and I was absolutely blown away. My 10 year-old mind was overwhelmed with the scope and the ultimately optimistic message. I'll never forget that.
Bob Wise co-directed West Side Story (alongside choreography/stage play director Jerome Robbins). And let's not forget he directed 'The day the Earth stood still' and 'The Andromeda Strain.' Both of which are sci-fi movies!!!
*GREAT sci-fi films!!!
Doctor McCoy: I’m a doctor, not a goddamn member of the Bee Gees, damn it!
lol
@sweetblackblood1 not really but when Bones McCoy rejoined the Enterprise, he had a full beard and he was wearing something that the Bee Gees would wear . So, he kinda looks like a member of the Bee Gees
I'd pay good money to see DeForest Kelley strike a Travolta pose.
As a representative of humans from before this movie was made I have been sent to explain why the movie was made in this fashion. We were a loyal legion of trek fans who grew up with the series who had to live in a world without Star Trek for 15 years. We had no hope of ever seeing more Trek again. Then this movie was made and we rejoiced. We stood in line to buy tickets. We stood in line to enter the theater to watch the opening night of the movie. To be honest, if they had showed us a picture of Kirk for 5 hours we would of enjoyed it and cheered. As it was we had this movie, the greatest movie of all time, and we cheered. It was a celebration of Trek. You just had to have grown up in a world without cell phones, computers and well, fun. This movie was fun.
15 years? The series ended in '69 and the movie came out in '79.
CELLPHONE + INTERNET = BAD! OLD SLOW MOVIE = FUN!
I have a question, did the audience cheer at all during the pod's Enterprise flyby? I remember other people mentioning that. It certainly one of the most beautiful sequences in Trek.
@@creedrichards137 I saw it twice in theatres and both audiences cheered and yelled LOUDLY for the entire time... we MISSED her... 🤗
I waited in line but was disappointed and insulted. They put the cast into a 2001 rip off and left out the Star Trek elements. The exterior shots of our girl were cool, but other than that, it was dull and plodding. They thought "The Cage" was too cerebral only 10 years before?
One sin missed was Dekker's curious comment of "Voyager 6 disappeared into what they used to call a black hole." So if 'black hole' is now a redundant name, why use it? That's a bit like turning up to work and saying "I had a lovely drive to work in what they used to call a horseless carriage".
Maybe he thought someone would get confused with the alcoholic drink of the same name that is a favourite breakfast of Jadzia Dax.
Not to mention the fact that it would take a Voyager probe - which moves at a tiny fraction of light speed - thousands of years to reach the closes star, much less the closest black hole to our solar system. Hell, Voyager 2 is just reaching the edge of the solar system today (late 2018) after being in flight for 41 years.
Real Black Holes are incredibly destructive. Nothing would survive a trip through one, including Voyager 6. This is probably the writer's way of saying, "Voyager 6 passed through a Space Plot Hole Thingy" without having to explain it.
@@_WillCAD_ Thanks, I thought i had many of the holes worked out, but you're right warp is such a game changer that we would be passing all of our probes.
A _white_ hole?
Dude.. i"m' a Star Trek AND Star Wars lifer.. The Starship (especially this one) Enterprise is faaaaaaaaaar cooler than the Melinium Falcon and the Falcon is cool as f*ck!
Couldn't agree more. Even that I love Han Solo and his most precious ship, the Enterprise Refit is, without a single doubt, one of the most beautiful starships ever designed!
Sorry Han :p
All hail Ken Adam ... the greatest set designer ever! RIP
I love the Falcon, but the fact is that the Falcon is SUPPOSED to be a run-down freighter, the kinda ship you expect a guy like Han to have. The Enterprise is the Federation's flagship, so of COURSE it's bigger, shinier, faster, and more heavily armed. Both ships are perfect for their intended roles in their respective story.
7:32 Dammit Cinemasins.. He's a Doctor not a youtuber with demoralizing student debt.
hahahaha, ah the meme before memes. I love it.
consider the following...i have student debt for a school that went out of business years ago and no longer exists...where's the logic in that one?
35: Given how many real-life technological innovations were inspired by Star Trek, it stands to reason that Gene Roddenberry already thought of something similar to the Cloud.
-20 sins for narrator mispronouncing Ilia twice.
He's totally just reading a script, and never actually watched the film he's criticizing
-20? Hell, Spock's badass bit in WOK only knocked off 5 sins and you want 20 for mispronouncing something?
10:27: "Admit it, you just want to see the sexy android naked."
Um....Yes.
I liked that part
Last time I was this early we came out of warp too soon.
Your GF didn't like that.
Your disgusting, Reese.
Monty Pig of the Doodle Clan XD
Said the guy with Pig in it's name. XD JK I love you
Then You alerted the rebels! Run before Vader chokes you to death!!!
Ozymandias
so Vader into autoerotic asphyxiation
Robert Wise also directed The Day The Earth Stood Still. So, he had done sci fi.
And he also directed this movie which should have been called "The Day The Plot Stood Still"
Yes. "The Day The Earth Stood Still" Robert Wise.
As well as "The Andromeda Strain" - Robert Wise definitely had a solid background in intelligent science-fiction.
And The Hindenburg.
And The Haunting, one of the best ghost stories ever told!
This was "The Day Star Trek Stood Still".
@@robzilla730 underrated comment😂🤣
You've got to remember, when this movie came out, we hadn't had any new Star Trek in ten years. It was exciting to see the crew back in action, despite any flaws. We certainly couldn't have anticipated all of the new series and later films.
And that there were originally plans for a second series (called, unimaginatively, Star Trek II) which got turned into this movie.
There was Star Trek the Animated Series, where they replaced Chekov with an alien because they didn't want to pay for his voice work. But I don't think that was syndicated so people missed it.
Doesn't matter. The movie truly earned its moniker as the slow motion picture. I still recall sitting in the theater thinking, "Alright. Enough with the purple and blue clouds. Something happen already!"
@@betaneptune Listening to other script possibilities, if they'd picked one of those it wouldn't have been any better. And part of the budget went to Star Trek: Phase II. No good stories there either, eh?
Whatever. This movie still hold the rank of No.5 of my favorite movie.
BTW : "Not as cool as the Millennium Falcon"? I disagree, completely.
Well, I'd say the Falcon is more iconic if nothing else. Looks aren't everything. My two cents.
What the hell is an aluminum falcon?
+Chelsea Valkenburger LOL Robot chicken😂😂😂
Who's they???
+Chelsea Valkenburger It's millennium, not aluminum.
It's true. For years Trekkies called it Star Trek: The Motionless Picture. It's even in Spock's book.
I'm calling it that from now on. It's one of the better trek flicks but DAMN. Just get on the ship Kirk!
People have also called it "Star Trek: The Motion Sickness" and "Star Trek: Where Nomad Has Gone Before," based on the plot's similarity to TOS "The Changeling." I have to admit that even after being blown away by the amazing visuals, I've caught myself nodding off a couple of times during the really slow parts of the film. Still, the Enterprise is a great-looking starship. 🖖😎
Robert Wise also directed The Day the Earth Stood Still, one of the greatest science fiction movies of all time. I'm sure someone else knew this, but I don't feel like scrolling down that far.
The Day the Earth Stood Still is immensely boring.
I never liked it but Wise was a great director
Wise also co-directed West Side Story and directed the Haunting.
He also was a film editor on Citizen Kane.
Yep--he also directed "The Andromeda Strain." I think one sin needs to be removed.
I can't wait for the sins video about Star Trek V...that's gonna rack up quite a count.
Ew
I wonder how many it will get simply for the Ahura dance.
I'm waiting for Insurrection.
100 sins for 50 year old strip dance
+Brendan Perez Rollover? The counter will run away screaming into the night!
You forgot the part where Chekov ALMOST DIES FOR THE TWELFTH TIME.
Chekov is a GANGSTA!!!! The only Red Shirt Guy to LIVE
@@Jizzlewobbwtfcus Chekov wore mustard not red in the TV series.
@@ameliashephard2876 Generally ye but im pretty sure in one of the TV episodes he wore red
hazard pay must be really lucrative while being enlisted in StarFleet...just sayin'
The part where they fly around the Enterprise is the coolest damn thing ever. We finally get to look at the ship in detail and it lives up to all expectations.
“Not even as cool as the Millennium Falcon.” Bullshirt. The NCC 1701 refit is a beautiful ship, and totally cool.
Yeah and I'm sorry, but honestly, the Aluminum Falcon doesn't look anywhere near as cool, streamlined, or advanced as the Enterprise. Hell, the Falcon isn't even the best looking ship in Star Wars.
I thoroughly agree.
Lol I live in Idaho. V Ger actually lives down the street. He's pretty cool.
Sounds like VGER is rather inconsiderate . . .
Does he annihilate the neighbourhood whenever he has a disagreement with someone?
No, but he just records everything he can get :D
arent the loud noises he makes annoying tough?
Are his android kids causing trouble? Mean, with a dad/mom as powerful as that, I'd be worried about their teen years.
the blur down the middle of the screen is the split-diopter lens which is essentially bifocal glasses for the camera. It allows one to pull focus on one near and one distant object simultaneously.
...and they they still get used today not just up to and including the 70s. This particular CS video is full of naff observations. I know it's only a joke but they're normally more accurate.
I'm a huge fan of this movie but I still found this sins video funny as fuck.
No, they're normally full of sarcastic jokes not meant to be taken seriously, which makes everyone who complains about a particular video in the comments look like idiots, every time. :D
V'Ger
I just got the "V-Giny" joke from Futurama.
Lol welcome to the past
DesertDog1178 In my defense, this movie came out 15 years before I was born and it is widely regarded as a piece of shit. So it's not exactly a movie that I have ever seen as a "must watch".
PinataFreaks True
+PinataFreaks not a piece of shit and came out 16 years before I was born, yet I watched every damn series and movie.
I think he was referring to this movie, not Star Trek in general.
I thought this movie was boring but then I watched it again and simply loved it. No shooting, high-pace chasing or fighting or other boring stuff most movies has. I fell totally in love with it.
TMP is the lost gem of ST movies.
@@explosivemodesonicmauricet1597 well technically it's not lost and it just got a remaster
Geez, you're taking your sweet time on Deadpool. -_-
False. There are no sins in Deadpool. Jk I'm sure there are.
its because they're waiting for Ryan Reynolds to voice himself, playing the role of deadpool, to say "Ding" every time something is non-canon.
then to have Ryan Reynolds, playing as deadpool to have a snappy comeback to anything.
probably dreading editing out the pegging scene.
He has said a number of times on his twitter that there's a good chance they're aren't gonna do it: because it's a comedy, which they don't do, and because of its self-sinning nature. A while back he said that they are gonna look into it, but that we shouldn't expect much
Either way people are gonna keep asking for it so much it's gonna happen just to empty out their comments a little bit.
9:04 "The script literally says 'nothing happens for 10 pages', and is followed by 10 blank pages." Now that IS funny.
Another thing. You can certainly mind meld through a space suit. Spock once mind melded with an individual on the other side of a wall made of solid rock.
Or at least affected the guy quite significantly. I forget the circumstances of the episode but he might've knocked him out or something like that.
+Brad Hartliep Physical skin on skin contact probably makes it easier.
+Jubach Ah, good ol rule 34...
The joke is that the mind meld is just random magic that works however. That's certainly true for the show as well; practically every time it shows up it works a different way or has a different effect.
Except during the Horta episode "The Devil in the Dark", Spock told Kirk that in order for him to mind meld with the Horta, it would be necessary for him to touch it.
The main trouble with this film, was it tried to be 2001:A Space Odyssey meets "The Changeling".
It may have been far better if they had in fact had it based on The Changling, with the probe in question being a co-=creation from the impact between Nomad and whatever it was it collided with.
Even better option (with 20/20 hindsight) had been revealed that the object it collided with be an advanced entity, whose goal was to acquire information on all the species it meets,. adapting them to meet its needs where possible.. although it had (like Nomad) lost the contact with the rest of its 'hive mind'. "proto-Borg anyone?).
And one should never forget, when it comes to coolness... The Enterprise was iconic long before the Millenium Falcon was a glimmer in the eye of George Lucas... Just as , for example, The TARDIS was cool before the Enterprise.
And as for long drawn out sho0ts of the spacecraft in question, I dread to think what you'd make of anther (at the tiume iconic) long shot of the revelation of a major space craft... Zero-X
I always thought that V'Ger would have been an excellent way to explain the origin of the Borg, but they never did (as far as I know).
They did in a couple of the novels, many of which are licensed works.
In Shatner's novel "The Return" there was a section where supposedly Spock was saved from being assimilated because he had mind melded with V'Ger, who had been to the Borg homeworld. There are some other novels that mention it, though none that come right to mind and it's listed as possibly canonical on both the Memory Alpha and Memory Beta wikia pages.
@@Petrucio5501 The game Legacy uses the V'Ger Borg idea as a premise of the story. There was a lot wrong with that game, but the story was decent enough having to connect roughly 200 years of Star Trek 'history'.
Too bad the borg now officially have existed centuries before that
In one of the reference works they said V'Ger didn't invent the Borg but crashed on the Borg homeworld was enhanced by the Borg to complete its mission and would be internally consistant
@@Petrucio5501 always thought the borg were the direct result of wesley crusher's experiments with nanites and their interaction with Data as a communications conduit... so they had the basic humanoid bipedal construct to work with and with microscopic wormholes everywhere it is conceivable that at least few of them were transported both through space and time and developed into the nearly invincible Borg
....thanks a lot Wesley
We don't talk about the odd-numbered Star Trek movies.
They're like the Star Wars prequels. They never happened.
And the first one was the oddest of them all.
They've been the good ones since Nemesis.
the only good star trek movie is wrath of kahn
3 is great.
And this is what happens when a studio invests a bunch of money into a TV series, cancels said series before it premiers, and then tries to recoup costs by turning a single episode into a full length movie.
On the plus side we got Star Trek 2 through 6 (minus 5) out of it. =P
My thought about this story line. Vger is on a mission to collect, and assimilate knowledge to serve itself. Kirk allows the captain he displaced at the beginning to join with Vger, which would enhance the carbon unit by adding it's own technology, creating a half breed cyborg, and Vger went off not be heard from again at the end of this movie. At least not to be heard from again until Captain Picard, and his crew run into the Borg!
Yes, Admiral Kirk helped create the Borg!
Apparently, the Borg have been around before V’Ger was sent out.
Of course (weird supporting theory time) perhaps Q sent the Human-Machine being made from Decker and V’Ger back in time, resulting in the Borg
*CUUUUUUTT!!!* CUUUUUUUT!!! CUUU-UUUU-UUUUT! CUT!!
I see someone saw the Nostalgia Critic's review.
Oh I have done far worse than giving you no cut.
Angry Joe: Bored out of your mind! Bored out of your mind!
I loved it when he did crossovers all the time for no reason.
yes...
CinemaSins, I'm sinning *you* for sinning Robert Wise. He is a great director in many genres, and has sci-fi props for directing two classics: THE ANDROMEDA STRAIN, and THE DAY THE EARTH STOOD STILL (the original, of course). Sinning him is just ignorance.
Explains the length of this movie, though. Both of those Sci-fi movies are tension-focused, using the effects minimally as tools to move the drama forwards (_Day_, with Gort as the Implacable Threat) or with no effects at all (as in _The Andromeda Strain_)- when given this movie, he directed it in a similar way, with the long pauses meant to build tension. It probably would have worked, seeing as this is a movie about a potential apocalypse based on a mysterious alien device, but I think the somewhat shoddy effects and the emotional, well, baggage of it being Star Trek, turns what could have been an interesting, thrilling moment into something cheesy and, well, boring.
Earthenfist
I certainly agree this is not one of Wise's better movies. He's got a few other klunkers in his filmography. But sinning him as a choice of director *specifically* because this is a Sci-Fi movie?!? Ignorance.
He also gave one sin because he didn't understand why Spock was "talking to himself" when Spock was in a space suit doing a space walk approaching one of VGER'S apertures. Spock was talking out loud to provide an audio-recording of his findings in case he didn't survive. This was clearly spelled out in the movie yet this guy gave it a sin for this. A lot of the sins he assigns make absolutely NO sense, as they aren't sins at all but merely his own lack of understanding...
+Earthenfist "...the somewhat shoddy effects..." You've gotta keep in mind, this film came out in 1979. For its time, these were fabulous special effects. This film had an immensely large budget compared to The Wrath of Khan.
Jace Fincham Remember, though, that this is also after 2001 and Star Wars. Space effects in that year ought to be rather better than rotoscoping, fuzzy-backed 'green screen' and obvious models.
"Northern Lights rib cage!" I lost it right there.
"Not even as cool as the Millennium Falcon."
Come now dude, I like the Falcon and the glamour shots in this movie were overdone, but the Refit Connie is one of the most gorgeous ships to ever grace the silver screen.
So is the Excelsior (my absolute favorite ship design).
Spock in space suit was talking to a log recorder :)
How is the Millennium Falcon better?
Ah Myst, how I spent so much of my childhood playing you...
Wasted? Wasted?! WASTED?!
Didn't mean wasted, typed the wrong word.
Join me on my nostalgia trip!! I packed brownies!!
It's all good. Figured you didn't mean it that way. Just messing with you. Cyan (the company that made Myst) is coming out with a new game that's being branded as a "spiritual successor to Myst" called Obduction this summer. Can't wait!
Why is it taking so long... they announced it a while ago! I kid, taking longer is better if the end result is better. I can wait.
"Something that's not even as cool as the Millennium Falcon" - correct, because the Enterprise is much cooler. ; P
The Enterprise looks more like some randomly twisted hunk of metal a severely overpaid asshole was commissioned to produce by a severely wealthy asshole to be placed in some palace of navel gazing than a vehicle.
how dare you? HOOOOW DARE YOUUUU?
*****
I wasn't trying for humor, I was conveying a lack of tolerance for the extreme inefficiency of the ship's design.
VitalVampyr
True, true...
But what can we do?
Not everybody is skilled enough to design a ship with the cockpit positioned in such a way that the rest of the ship blocks almost the entire left side of the pilot's view...
; P
*****
*grabs popcorn
on the bright side, the slow pace of this movie made Star Trek 2 all that more exciting. We were blown away by what we got when it came out.
No sin for that scene where they have a ten second countdown and it takes like ten seconds from ten to eight?
Well, everything is in super slow motion at the time. It took almost a full minute to get from 20 to 10
at 2:37
Mysteries of Star Trek: For modern day Earth space programs to build a ship that large, they would build it in space so that it doesnt need to be contained in a launch shuttle fitted with escape boosters. This is somewhat realistic even for Star Trek, since (I'm assuming) it would be easier to build it in orbit.
Yet, in "Star Trek" (2009) they showed the ship being build in Iowa. Really like movie, but what the hell!
It looked awesome though...
As shown many times in that film and the sequel, that Enterprise is easily capable of atmospheric flight and hovering. Somehow.
Yes and no. Some Trek ships are shown to be capable of flying inside of an atmosphere, for example the Intrepid class (aka Voyager) can even land on most planets. But even the constitution class (aka the enterprise) can maneuver within earths atmosphere.
However assembling a ship in space is much more practical as even the individual components would be too large and heavy to be transported in and out of a planets atmosphere by common means.
They also show it floating right above a planet in Into Darnkess. It's much too large and I don't think it has magic anti-gravity like Star Wars ships seem to, at least in the original movies/series.
Not as cool ad the millennium falcon!? YOU SON OF A BI-
Of a Bith ?
The enterprise should be hauling garbage.
Sheila olfieWay I take that back. The Enterprise should be hauled away AS garbage!
@@sheilaolfieway1885 Laddie, don't you think you should rephrase that?
@@danielyeshe I'm sorry, that piece of junk is cooler as your piece of GARABAGE ISN"T!
Robert Wise did "The Day the Earth Stood Still", one of the most groundbreaking, high-quality Si-Fi movies ever put to film.
"And it exploded" made me laugh way more than I should have.
And this clip at 15:39 was a surprise that had me in stitches
“When this baby hits warp speed...you’re gonna see some serious shit” 😂
That is not a bird of prey and they don't cloak
RadioactiveGoose they were battle cruisers and they most certainly do.
When they're firing torpedoes they most certainly don't.
That's patently ridiculous. You're so stupid you said I'm wrong and agreed with me in the same paragraph. Back to grade 1 for you.
Vas Tet Ah shoot. I misread your first post to begin with. It was 1AM for me lol.
Those are D7´s arent they? And a D7 can cloak.
But it doesnt matter IF they can cloak because they opened fire and this isnt possible while cloaked...
The only ship capable of fireing its weapons while cloaked is the Reman warbird Scimitar
Watching sci-fi movies from the late 70s and early 80s makes you realize how ahead of his time Lucas and Star Wars were with their visual effects. Especially space flight and battles.
considering it was ILM who did all the effects on star trek too, I feel that point is moot ;)
Conspiracy: George Lucas paid ILM to make Star Trek look worse.
Doug Trumbull (2001: A Space Odyssey, Blade Runner) did the effects for Star Trek: TMP. Not, ILM.
But, 2001 had good effects and was a good movie? What went wrong?
The movies were originally going to be a relaunch of the series, Star Trek Phase 2, since it was 10 years after the end of the original series. Anyhow, they got geared up for a series, Paramount scraped the plans, and decided to turn it in to a movie. Part of the story was originally going to be the pilot of the new series.
This movie is about reintroducing the love affair for the Enterprise after being gone for 10 years. They were showing off their practical effect models and the fledgling beginnings of CGI. The film and the state of the Enterprise itself showed how they were rushed and not ready. None the less, the humanist story is superb.
Everything wrong with Stat Trek the Motion Picture:
number 1- Nothing..
The End
well said
"Noooo, belay that phaser order!" makes me laugh every time.
PPPPPPPPPHHHHHHHHHHHHOOOOOOOOOTTTTTTTTTTTTOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNN TTTTTTOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRRRRPPPPPPPPPPPPEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDDDDDDDDDDDDOOOOOOOOOOOOSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yeah, definitely not a movie for impatient people. But people that are patient will find some nuance and relatively clever story hidden in this movie. You just need to be patient and pay attention.
insrtcowjoke let’s face it these are really for Star Trek fans only and that’s cool
Like 2001 it bit off more than it could chew..fantastic movie but the 'big' questions are still the per view of literature. Not a Hollywood movie.
It's the EXACT plot of the season two episode "The Changeling" but made an hour longer by insanely boring padding. That's NOT nuance and cleverness us impatient people aren't sophisticated enough to grasp.
I fell asleep after 10 minutes watching this boring movie.
@@VideoAmateurLuxembourg Perhaps you would be more interested in "The Fast and Furious" franchise.
Klingons were never shown to have cloaking tech until 2 movies later... The Next gen style theme wasn't in the opening credits until later releases of the film (it was in the Kirk introduction at Starfleet Command though)
my recent rewatch of this shows after 4:14, Decker puts on a slightly different uniform where the shirt covers the pants for the rest of the movie and thankfully the uniform Kirk puts on does the same thing.
"Who are you talking to?" Did CinemaSins miss Spock's monologue after leaving the ship, namely the "Commence Recording" line?
...but I like my sci-fi slow and boring as fuck. :(
in the old days if you didn't have anything to say you just sat in the darkness and pondered your own fantasies - nowadays if movie director has nothing to say he blasts you with hours of meaningless action that leaves no room for your own fantasies
+Xenial Xerus So what your saying is we should sit and ponder about trade routes instead of watching beyond.
Connor Machin did i though? - it is useful to learn to be polite and don't waste your time on second guessing the conspiracies about the ways others are trying to hurt your feels. It saves you loads of time for you can spend evaluating pros and cons of modern meaningless action and retro meaningless lethargy for example.
There's slow like 2001 A Space Odyssey, where every scene had the characters or scenery doing SOMETHING significant, and then there is "holy shit, we need to pad out a one hour tv episode into a 2 hour movie. Just show long shots of different things going on outside the ship."
In my opinion, the Goldsmith score of this film makes the slow scenes worth watching. STMP would be much poorer without the accompanying score.
What is wrong with this movie is that it exists.
While I agree that it is not the best star trek movie by far, IT'S STILL STAR TREK!
You had to be there
the only people who hate startrek are typically the ones who dont understand it or never watched it, or never gave it a chance.
its the same thing for starwars too when it comes to starwars haters.
the two completely different science fiction franchises, happen have the most similar reasons why people hate them, its quite annoying really, cause their both equally good, and mostly focus on the wonders of science and what is possible in the universe.
Jon Barrett You said it brother! ஜ۩۞۩ஜ
The should have just said "Everything is wrong with Star Trek The Motion Picture," tack on 1000 sins and call it a day
People don’t often realize this but almost the entirety of Galaxy Quest is a giant parody of this movie specifically
I remember seeing this as a kid in theatres. So unbelievably excited just to sit in an uncomfortable seat for what seemed like 5 hours and fall asleep. Not what I was hoping for
I saw it on a school field trip for being a safety patrol on the bus. Most of the other kids were screaming the whole time, so I didn't really see it until I got the much longer VHS tape.
I saw it when I was 13 and while the special effects were pretty cool, it was pretty boring. They could have lopped off an hour of the movie and it would have been a lot better.
Only 133 sins for The Motionless Picture? Very generous of you.
How is there no sin for not seeing the much more interesting movie where Bones was apparently practicing medicine at Studio 54 in the 70's before being beamed aboard the Enterprise?
Rather than list all the supposed sins that are not actually problematic, I'll just say this: As someone who has been a Star Trek fan since 1966, I saw ST:TMP in a packed theater on opening day. The audience clapped and cheered for each name as the opening credits rolled.
Me too. In Savannah, Georgia. It was a great experience.
I did too, as a 19 year old college student..... It was the best Star Trek ever! Until ...
The Wrath of Kahn came out. Then we all realized how over done TMP had been done, and we tried our best to forget it ! :-)
Oh, tisk tisk tisk, skipping a whole scene in a movie that explains in detail, part of the sins you gave in the last 6 minutes, cheating to pad sin counts is cheating.
*ding*
Exactly. I was looking through these comments wondering if anyone was going to point out that before they elevator outside the ship Chekov (I think) states there's an oxygen/gravity envelope forming out side the ship..so, yeah, they damned well do know there's air out there. I suppose you can sin them for trusting V'Ger not to suddenly take that away and suffocate them, but come on... The far bigger sin is arguably why is there an elevator that lets you out at a random point outside the ship. That always bugged me.
craftyb22
It wasn't a random part of the ship though, it was the front of the saucer. Now, you could say why where they so big compared to the saucer, now that is a sin.
He was just using the air comment to make [one of several] Galaxy Quest references ;-)
Sometimes a joke is more entertaining than fact
I thought ALL ships had elevators to random points outside the ship. Just look at the Millennium Falcon. ;)
"Typical Kling-On behavior, 'we don't know what it is, let's shoot it!'" 😂 that was hilarious.
Oh, and "victory fart!".
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lmao ikr? that was spot-on and hilarious xD
At 4:24 is that Jonah Hill? Was he even born yet?
everything wrong with Jaws 1 2 3 & 4 PLEASE
Yeah he should do that
+Channing Bertschy they*
hey! can someone please explain what happened to brand sins?
2,3, and 4 happened =P
+DoucheBagsInHats I didn't even know there were more than 2 lol
I loved this - everything you said was sooo funny. It makes me want to watch the film again and laugh. No wonder it is called "Star Trek - The Slow Motion Picture"
What's this? Invoking Myst? WHAT YEAR IS IT??? Am I the only one who got that? Am I?
Yes! Ye shall always invoke the sacred name of the best game franchise ever!
Reuven Markov PREACH!!
Never actually played any. Which one would you recommend?
the second game, Riven, is a masterpiece. Myst is like Riven's prologue, so you can jump into Riven without having to know Myst. Riven is also where the series originally ended. In terms of gameplay, narrative and presentation Riven is a masterwork.
The rest of the series is hit or miss. Riven makes for the best entry point and is by far the best one.
In terms of visuals and presentation my favorite is Myst 3: Exile. But there's nothing like the original. I have realMyst: Masterpiece edition, which is a 3d re-rendering of the original game.
11:33 "who is he f*cking talking to???"
if you hadn't fell asleep (hard i know), but Spock actually says he's recording narration for when they find his body.
Star Trek: The Motionless Picture
I prefer Star Trek: The Slow Motion Picture
+James McKenzie lol
Star Trek: We'll get some better ideas in a year or so.
I like Star Trek: Bigger, Longer, And Uncut.
like a true critic would say. I salute you.
Sorry, dude, but you gotta take off one sin for every time you mis-pronounced Ilia's name.
eye-LEE-uh. Not ILL-ee-uh.
lev-ee-OH-sah. Not lev-ee-oh-SAH.
"Mispronounced" - no hyphen needed. (that comma after "Sorry" isn't either unless you're Christopher Walken)
@@jimgarrity2414 Your full-stop, or period, should come _after_ your parentheses.
The long, drawn out shots of the Enterprise are called "hero shots" and they do that at some point in all the movies, and in the various series. Those hero shots in ST:TMP might seem too much by today's standards, but bear in mind that nobody had seen the Enterprise on the big screen before, and it had a sleeker, cooler (yes, cooler than the Millennium Falcon), look to it. Of course they were going to give the fans a good long gawk at the updated Enterprise! I thought it was cool as hell when I saw it in the theater as a kid... We also had longer attention spans back then... :-) But that's not to say he movie couldn't have benefited from better pacing and editing.
I thought it was called a 'hero shot' when it was a person and a 'beauty shot' when it's something like a ship...
V'ger actually was picked up the Borg...
It was established in star trek legacy
You do realize that the video games are NOT canon? Nor are any books
Heh, good one. Gotta answer some of your (asked or not) questions:
- The Klingon cruisers can cloak, but can't fire whilst cloaked. I guess you sinned this before you watched the Undiscovered Country, though.
- LOL Vulcan boners... they're actually really, REALLY illogical about mating. Go look up Pon Farr and the Koon-ut-kal-if-fee.
- Chekov and Decker know what would happen if they fired phasers whilst in the wormhole. Chain of command has been broken in the past when the officers felt their superior was making a mistake. In the Mirror Mirror episode, when the violent Kirk from the mirror universe comes aboard the "prime" universe Enterprise and orders the destruction of Halkan; or the final ep of TOS, where that bitter angry chick used alien technology to switch bodies with Kirk, she gives ridiculous orders that convince everyone to disobey the "captain".
- "Not one person in the crew shrieks in terror" because they've seen some serious shit since they joined Starfleet. I mean, have you even watched the series? people turning into rocks and being ground into dust, people shrinking the Enterprise, giant ethereal hands crushing the Enterprise, aliens changing their cellular structure to shift forms, sentient clouds merging with a chick to bang Zefram Cochrane...
- "Who is he f*cking talking to?" He must be recording a log, Starfleet is pretty big on the logs. And yes, Spock can technically meld through space-suit gloves and even through solid rock; he just doesn't do it often, and it's not as effective (from what I gather).
- They went out without space suits because, yes, somehow, V'ger just created breathable atmosphere there (and artificial gravity).
I think it was established that starships cannot fire while cloaked in TOS: Balance of Terror already. In "The Undiscovered Country" Valeris and Spock make it sound like only Birds of Prey can cloak, but in TOS: The Enterprise Incident it seems like a cloaking device works on every kind of spaceship - as long as its high-powered enough, because, according to Balance of Terror, the cloaking field drains the engine.
At the time this movie was released, Klingons didn't have cloaking devices - Romulans did.
Klingons got the cloak as of Star Trek 3, the Search for Spock.
The whole "the Enterprise is the only ship in the area" excuse might have worked in The Original Series, where the ship literally was the only one in the area most of the time, being on a five-year mission exploring uncharted planets. That excuse doesn't work so well when it's orbiting above the capital world of the Federation. How many ships does this Federation have, and where are they? (ding!)
... Not as cool as the Millenium Falcon? Uh, no, the Enterprise is WAY cooler!
And more functional.
And more realistic.
And the 3 of you fell for the obvious troll.
UnPokemon
If you think that was a troll, then you don't know the definition.
Michael Leibowitz I don't know, making such an obvious rage bait sounds like a troll to me.
The theme wasn't stolen, Jerry Goldsmith wrote both
14:58 Those two seconds of Galaxy Quest were literally the funniest part of this video
As opposed to figuratively the funniest part?
"Tactical" is not a name. It is a command. When he says "Tactical, stand by on torpedoes" he is saying "change from the straight video display to a computer-generated tactical situation display and arm torpedoes."
Not gonna say it's boring as shit, but it's boring as shit
Well, then they did a good job capturing the tone of the movie
+Moochachow I was talking about the movie. hahaha
it IS boring. and i love star trek. if it is boring it is. but i must say that the themes amp explores are quite intriguing. i love it even if it is boring.
And its still better than the 2009 reboot~
Almost, just almost, but not quite. Into Darkness was better than this one, but I still think that Khan in that one was just bland and useless, compared to the crazy dude who lived on a desert planet for several years.
Yes this movie is flawed, but I still love it. It has a sense of adventure that's missing in most of the movies. Its not my favorite, but its decent enough. You should do Star Trek 5. What a piece of shit that is. Then there is into darkness which said hey lets take a good movie, rip it off and then ruin it. Much of this movie's problems come from Paramount giving them an unrealistic deadline before they even had a script. It was so behind schedule they started filming with half the script missing.
Oh and you missed the part where Chekov says, "I'm detecting an oxygen gravity envelope forming outside of the enterprise". That's why they didn't need space suits.
Ashley Williams we went to see this opening day. We were dying to see the enterprise😊
One of the big problems with this film is the main protagonist a defective satellite really 2hrs and that it
Enterprise 1701 Refit > Millennium Falcon
Well it can do the Kessel Run in under 12 parsecs!!1!
You don't understand what making the Kessel Run means, do you?
You do realize that the explanation for that was MADE UP in order to correct for a script writing error?
gajbooks It wasn't necessarily a script error, Han was supposed to be a bullshit artist to some extent; the sort of guy who would get himself into trouble by making extravagant claims but with just enough skill and luck to get away with it. The writer probably just saw him as engaging his mouth to defend the honour of his beloved ship without caring about factual accuracy because the character wouldn't have.
Of course you're correct about the post-facto explanations being made-up to justify Han's BS.
Oh ffs sake this movie came out in the early 80's more than 12 years after the beloved (by fans - not producers or advertisers) series was canceled 3 years into their "5-year voyage". There were 'laws' they couldn't break. The extended glamour shot of the enterprise was all about Trekkie-nerd love and reintroducing all of us to the new ship.
You clearly weren't around for the original series and the kind of impact this film was intended to deliver to long-suffering fans.
Agree completely. It actually came out 12/7/1979.
The show only became popular in syndication, it got low ratings in its original fun. And the movie is garbage, easily the worst in the franchise. And not only is it bad, but it's bad and way too long. Right from the beginning the movie tells you it's bad with almost a minute long black screen
ok, that one was easy. wanna have a challange: do "everything wrong with: das boot". good luck!
Too easy
Not among "movies that TH-cam viewers have watched."
Wasn't that movie even nominated for six oscars?
das boot was indeed nominated in six chategories. and it is an foreign movie. havent had that for a long time...
And while yo uare at it, make sure you nitpick the TV full version with 308 minutes of length. ;)
We fell in love with Star Trek in the 60's. They gave us two and a half seasons. We missed it so bad. We pined for something, ANYTHING Star Trek. Finally, they gave us this. We all knew it sucked, but it was all we had.
Yeah, but then they made 20 sequels to this movie to try and make up for it, and even then they still failed to produce anything worthwhile. Okay...."Wrath of Khan" wasn't too bad. But then again, it was a recycled Star Trek TV episode, and it *did* have Ricardo Montalban in it (arguably the best part of the movie).
@@randallulrich This was a recycled TV program too, "The Changeling" about the probe Nomad, which had merged with another probe to become super powerful and that nearly destroys the Enterprise before thinking Kirk was its creator.
2:23 The 1701 refit is WAAAY cooler than the Falcon!
@12:34 - "WHY did none of you wear a f*cking spacesuit?!?! Goddamn! Is there air?? You don't know!!!"
Yes, they do! There was a previous line about a breathable envelope forming around the Enterprise and V'Ger. Something like,
"Now reading an oxygen / nitrogen atmosphere"
New show.... Cinema Sins Sins!
That moment when your too early and all the comments say first so you are trying to say something cool and worthy of getting top comments, but don't know what to say so you just ramble on. Sup. ;)
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+crystalalex ilovepandas lol
+Sound Mind
I eat puddy tat
"Bones would be amazing at CinemaSins" best line in the video :)
Wait - V'Ger was sending a signal that no one on Earth could receive? Wasn't that the plot to ST 4, when the whales did the same?
yep, but that time they had a full movie's worth of script, and a joke about a Russian guy asking the american navy where they kept their nucliear Wessels
If you like this movie and Star Trek in general, check out Star Trek Continues. Fan made Web series that finished the original 5 year mission. The two-part episode " To Boldly Go" provided a great segue from TOS to TMP, complete with showing Kirk getting promoted, and the last ship's log entry aboard the TOS Enterprise. Plus Amy Rydell is HOT portraying her mother's character the Romulan Commander from "The Enterprise Incident".