@Straight Truth Podcast - I agree with you (and the Word of God) that women should not hold a position of authority in the church. However, could you please deal with the passage where Paul speaks about women praying and prophesying in the church? It seems obvious from this passage that women can pray in church, which would mean they are not being silent. I am trying to understand this in context. Any assistance would be helpful!
1st Timothy 2: 12-15 If we are going to call ourselves Christians, then God's word is our Authority and not our feelings. When we walk away from scripture and say we don't believe that, well then who is the authority we are not God. Just because I feel I want to do something doesn't mean I should.
Every area in Life and Leadership I have seen Women step up so much over the last 15 years it is sad because it means where are the Men Leaders who should be taking their rightful positions? They should be Leading their homes, their churches and their country, God’s Men! Also why I love this video, Reminds me to Pray for the Men in America & everywhere so they can Step Up and take the Lead! ❤️🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Our pastor has been teaching us how to view scripture by using perscriptive & descriptive as we are studying Acts. Again, thanks for the clarity in the answer according to God's Word.
Complementarianism vs egalitarianism is a huge issue for the church today. I debate this with my Weslyan Methodist Pastor friend. We disagree, but I respect him. The operative question: What does it mean to be a man and not a woman?
People who use Deborah as an example for women in leadership don’t understand that the Israelites were in a bad place in the Book of Judges. That period of time should not set the bar for what we allow in church. The last verse in Judges states: 25 In those days there was no king in Israel. Everyone did what was right in his own eyes. -Judges 21:25 ESV
THE REASON GOD SENT HER here: ...the Lord was moved to pity... And when the Lord raised up judges for them, the Lord was with the judge and saved them from the hand of their enemies all the days of the judge; for the Lord was moved to pity by their groaning because of those who tormented and oppressed them. -excerpt Judges 2 I suggest my short free postable essay on Deborah. Read time: 12 minutes
How many people are going to hell while you guys are wasting time talking about things that Paul called foolishness. Preach salvation. God will judge for wasted time.
2 Timothy 4:1-4 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine. 👉For the time will come when they 👉will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts👈👉 shall they heap to themselves teachers,👉having itching ears
Paul by the plenary verbal inspiration of the Holy Spirit quotes various OT Scriptures in a prescriptive or fulfillment of prophecy sense. But he (or any NT author for that matter) never uses Deborah as a prescriptive basis for women preaching, teaching, or pastoring in the Church. You comments indicate a lack of understanding regarding hermeneutics and knowing whether or not such Old Testament texts qualify as descriptive, prescriptive, or prophecy (in the coming of Christ sense). Lastly, as stated in the video, it is a far-stretch to use an anomalous occurrence in Scripture (I.e. Deborah) as a rhetorical basis to justify the practice of women preaching. Such an argument is not only baseless, but desperate. Deborah should serve as a serious indictment to the men of her generation who didn’t step up to the plate.
With regard to your comments on Deborah being for just the old testament, you can't have it both ways. Paul, the author of the Corinthians scripture you quoted was using his background as a previous student of Jewish faith to quote the old testament commands about women being quiet. Yet you say that one was just for the old testament and the other was from the old testament for the new testament. How can this be?
The Pastor is trying to show you the order and roles that God sets down between the old and New Testament. Deborah was a judgement to the people of the time - an example that God couldn’t find a suitable godly man to fill the role. As said, she was an exception. He’s not contradicting descriptive and prescriptive being the key words. It’s a hard truth but it’s Gods truth.
@@Jr871961 In all places where I have walked with all Israel, have I spoken a word with any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to shepherd My people, saying, ‘Why have you not built Me a house of cedar?’ -excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verse 6 NASB translation (In case the reader in unaware, the word pastor and the word shepherd are the same word. I prefer shepherd, because it has obvious meaning to the average person.)
Let's understand from the outset that Paul was speaking by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. That's why his epistles were included in the Canon of Scriptures. We should be asking the Holy Spirit to guide us in reading since He is the true author, not Paul. If we disregarded everything in Scripture we don't agree with, how much of it would be left after millions had cast their vote? Even the Apostle Peter commented that some of the things Paul writes about are difficult for us to understand. But he did not say we could cast them aside. Because he recognised the true author.
@Straight Truth Podcast - I agree with you (and the Word of God) that women should not hold a position of authority in the church. However, could you please deal with the passage where Paul speaks about women praying and prophesying in the church? It seems obvious from this passage that women can pray in church, which would mean they are not being silent. I am trying to understand this in context. Any assistance would be helpful!
1st Timothy 2: 12-15
If we are going to call ourselves Christians, then God's word is our Authority and not our feelings. When we walk away from scripture and say we don't believe that, well then who is the authority we are not God. Just because I feel I want to do something doesn't mean I should.
Very true
Lucifer wanted to be like God but that proved fatal
Every area in Life and Leadership I have seen Women step up so much over the last 15 years it is sad because it means where are the Men Leaders who should be taking their rightful positions? They should be Leading their homes, their churches and their country, God’s Men! Also why I love this video, Reminds me to Pray for the Men in America & everywhere so they can Step Up and take the Lead! ❤️🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Our pastor has been teaching us how to view scripture by using perscriptive & descriptive as we are studying Acts. Again, thanks for the clarity in the answer according to God's Word.
OK. If women can't preach, be consistent. Make sure they do not cut their hair and always wear a hat in church.
Complementarianism vs egalitarianism is a huge issue for the church today. I debate this with my Weslyan Methodist Pastor friend. We disagree, but I respect him. The operative question: What does it mean to be a man and not a woman?
Answer is no.
People who use Deborah as an example for women in leadership don’t understand that the Israelites were in a bad place in the Book of Judges. That period of time should not set the bar for what we allow in church. The last verse in Judges states:
25 In those days there was no king in Israel. Everyone did what was right in his own eyes.
-Judges 21:25 ESV
THE REASON GOD SENT HER here:
...the Lord was moved to pity...
And when the Lord raised up judges for them, the Lord was with the judge and saved them from the hand of their enemies all the days of the judge; for the Lord was moved to pity by their groaning because of those who tormented and oppressed them.
-excerpt Judges 2
I suggest my short free postable essay on Deborah. Read time: 12 minutes
Thank you 🙏🏾
How many people are going to hell while you guys are wasting time talking about things that Paul called foolishness. Preach salvation. God will judge for wasted time.
LORD JESUS CHRIST OF NAZARETH. IS COMING BACK AGAIN VERY SOON ARE YOU READY AMEN ❤❤❤
2 Timothy 4:1-4
I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.
👉For the time will come when they 👉will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts👈👉 shall they heap to themselves teachers,👉having itching ears
I should have added, so why is one applicable for now and not the other?
Paul by the plenary verbal inspiration of the Holy Spirit quotes various OT Scriptures in a prescriptive or fulfillment of prophecy sense. But he (or any NT author for that matter) never uses Deborah as a prescriptive basis for women preaching, teaching, or pastoring in the Church.
You comments indicate a lack of understanding regarding hermeneutics and knowing whether or not such Old Testament texts qualify as descriptive, prescriptive, or prophecy (in the coming of Christ sense).
Lastly, as stated in the video, it is a far-stretch to use an anomalous occurrence in Scripture (I.e. Deborah) as a rhetorical basis to justify the practice of women preaching. Such an argument is not only baseless, but desperate.
Deborah should serve as a serious indictment to the men of her generation who didn’t step up to the plate.
What about Acts 21:9 "four daughters which did prophesy." , you didn't ask that.
Misogyny Has Nothing to Do with Emotions But The Truth. YAHUAH Is Not The Author Of Confusion. Ministering Is Being of Service Not Preaching.
With regard to your comments on Deborah being for just the old testament, you can't have it both ways. Paul, the author of the Corinthians scripture you quoted was using his background as a previous student of Jewish faith to quote the old testament commands about women being quiet. Yet you say that one was just for the old testament and the other was from the old testament for the new testament. How can this be?
The Pastor is trying to show you the order and roles that God sets down between the old and New Testament.
Deborah was a judgement to the people of the time - an example that God couldn’t find a suitable godly man to fill the role. As said, she was an exception.
He’s not contradicting descriptive and prescriptive being the key words.
It’s a hard truth but it’s Gods truth.
She was a judge
@@Jr871961
In all places where I have walked with all Israel, have I spoken a word with any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to shepherd My people, saying, ‘Why have you not built Me a house of cedar?’
-excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verse 6 NASB translation
(In case the reader in unaware, the word pastor and the word
shepherd are the same word. I prefer shepherd, because it has
obvious meaning to the average person.)
Not answered for so long...
No
Paul's attempt to tie this untenable misogyny to the creation is pretty weak pablum, pastor.....
Let's understand from the outset that Paul was speaking by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. That's why his epistles were included in the Canon of Scriptures. We should be asking the Holy Spirit to guide us in reading since He is the true author, not Paul. If we disregarded everything in Scripture we don't agree with, how much of it would be left after millions had cast their vote? Even the Apostle Peter commented that some of the things Paul writes about are difficult for us to understand. But he did not say we could cast them aside. Because he recognised the true author.
Let the women keep silent in the church they're commanded to be obedient also says the Laws of God
"Keep silent" yet 3 verses later Paul said they should be eager to prophecy and speak in tongues