334: Aram Von Benedikt
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- Welcome to the Ron Spomer Outdoors Podcast! In this podcast, I answer listener questions about rifles and cartridges, and I weigh in on the situation with Aram Von Benedikt.
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9:11 I'm dumb founded, how anyone can not like Ron is mind bending... you can't watch Ron and not get a chuckle here and there and you will smile for the whole video. Such a good personality.
Lots of hateful garbage people out there. Ron's my break from the negativity of real life. You can tell he's the real deal
@@brickhammerSS the guy will lecture you about hunting ethics but when his bestfriend gets caught being a shitbag he sits on the fence. Yall are sheep thatll eat whatever is put in front of you.
Welcome to the real world. That's what social media and a huge dose of 21st century hatred have given us. Some of these cats would even hate their own mom's homemade apple pie with a scoop of ice cream on top, for Thanksgiving dinner.
the fact he is self depracating knows his fallabilities and that he is human makes him very unamerican and very believable to me unlike the too often yank hype. great human being first.
@@keithprinn720 hes a coward 🤣, that's what you like about him.
Much wisdom in your response to the Aram Von Benedikt question. God bless you sir!
Sir, because you are YOU is precisely why I watch your content! Great attitude, great information, great content 👍 THANK YOU 🙏
Love your videos Ron. Combination of humour, humility and considerable knowledge. Long may you continue being you. Greetings from over the pond in the UK.
Hey Ron, just wanted to say I’m a big fan of your videos, especially a video I saw of yours from a few years ago, called “Dad wasn’t a hunter”. It was a lovely tribute to your father, and made me miss my own dad all the more (died April 8th 2023). You and my dad inspired me to get my first hunting rifle, a weatherby mark v custom deluxe in 6.5-300 WM. Just wanted to say thanks and to keep up the great work :)
Thank you Max.
Ron, totally digging the Elmer Keith stuff!! You make hunting "real" for guys that are more shooters than hunters, and I really enjoy your rapid technical breakdowns of calibers and what they do.
Another fan of yours that watches you because you communicate objectively and knowledgably... with a strong flavor of authentic goofy that makes your videos fun. You genuinely seem like a nice guy to hang out with!
Ron, I think your goofy too! AND I LOVE IT!!! I would So much rather spend my time hanging around with ( and watching ) someone who has fun with life than some stick in the mud.
Now now, Ron is a great source of information, and he is a pretty decent fellow, and funny too, I am really happy I discovered his channels!
Finally someone that admits they weren't there and shouldn't pass judgement. Good on you Ron.
Outstanding response👍🏻👍🏻
Thanks, sir.
I read Ron for years, really got to liking his personality when i started watching his channel !!
Another vote for Ron. I like the presentations.
I did not know that Aram Von Benedikt and Joseph Von Benedikt (who does pieces for Ron Spomer Outdoors) are twin brothers, growing up on a self sustaining
farm in Utah. I will be interested when all the details finally come to light. As to 700 yard shots, we're supposed to be hunting, not just shooting. At the distances the long-range "hunters" boast about, there is not a scrap of Sportsmanship left. Might as well use a mortar.
What does their religion have to do with this ? Would you have left a comment if they were Catholics or Jews ?
@@JT-py9lv It is from the source that notes that they are twin brothers growing up on a self-sustaining Mormon farm. It is called MormonWiki. It is the first search result for Aram Von Benedikt Wikipedia.
I got a little insight into some of those long shots. Two stories were from from a fellow Joseph Von Benedikt was interviewing on his podcast. Both stories began "It was the last day of my 5-day hunt." In other words, they were determined to get an animal on an expensive hunting trip and finally decided that a long shot was better than going home empty handed. Some might argue that the hunter should not have taken those shots, but, in their defense, they had practiced shooting at 700 or so yards and regularly did so in competitions. Both shots were successful. Me, I wouldn't have even considered it since I know I am not that good.
@@jfess1911 Interesting insight for sure. I guess that I would hope that a shot that was not acceptable on day 1 would not be acceptable on day 5; it would be worse to wound an animal as your trip expires, and not be able to attempt to find it. Perhaps no other shots were available throughout the trip, and the long shot was the only one presented. I imagine it would take quite a bit of self-discipline to pass up the shot and accept the "0". I like Ron's idea of the 1/3 second flight time as the range limit. It seems like part of the problem with the long range stuff is that you have really accomplished, accurate shooters but if the animal moves while the bullet is in flight, it can all go to heck. I also, would not have considered it; I'm not that good either.
@@jfess1911The ignorance isn’t criticized in skill, it’s criticized in terminal ballistic limitations of bullets and insufficient velocities.
Aram's own statement is what sunk his ship ...not "gossip" at that point.
Rachelle's post made Aram out to be an Ass, Aram's 5 pages of responses confirmed it. Everyone calling it hearsay, or that we dont have both sides of the story, is only saying that because Aram's posts have since been deleted.
Exactly right! It's not gossip when it came from his own mouth.
Ron, quit listening to the haters. You videos and knowledge are great. No more apology videos man. Anyone that is a hunter understands. Target shooters have no clue.
How when he put the kill shot on it that deer might of survived her shot or died the next day or even 5 hours later of her shot she still would of lost it he didn't know she shot it he seen a deer shot it and dropped it sounds like his deer to me seems like she's getting favorites cuz she's a girl if it was some dude who shot it first know one would be feeling bad for him stop simping for her to bad so sad public land hunting goes like that
@@maconmazanec9459 I'd bet target shooters have far more of an idea than someone who only hunts and shoots once or twice a year but calls themselves an outdoorsman.
Aron’s own account of the events are why he lost his job with Outdoor Life and why he has become one of the most vilified hunters in Utah. He deleted all of his comments once it became clear that his words were being used against him. Here are the problems with his own account of what happened. I read everything he wrote before he deleted it.
1. He admits to breaking the law and hunting without hunter orange hat, then tries to defend his illegal action by saying other (implying the young woman) broke the law worse, without giving any specifics.
2. He admits to hearing one of her shots hitting hitting the deer.
3. He admits to taking a 730 yard at a moving deer without range finding.
4. He made an unfounded accusation that the young woman may have know where the buck was because they might have had access to the buck’s radio collar data (Totally without evidence)
5. He did not take enough time to even see the buck well enough to know it had a collar on.
6. He admits to acting in such a way that could have been intimidating the young woman after the kill. There was an imbalance of power that day in the field.
Sadly, Arom missed a great opportunity to help a young hunter and have a cover story for Outdoor Life.
He turned a win-win into a lose-lose by his ego.
They both could have shared in the harvest if he had allowed her to tag the deer, then have a set of replica antlers made.
I am so sad for all involved. Arom is not a bad person, and we all make mistakes but his own words don’t constitute rumors or hearsay. I don’t want him canceled but some humility and honesty is needed here.
You really are painting him out to be something that nobody absolutely knows he is or not with one statement. A statement that you are strawmanning self righteously about a situation you know nothing about. For now as Ron mentioned being objective is what will win in the end and it is clear Outdoor Life letting him go is pandering to folks like you rather than reason.
Did you read his accounts? I did! If he had kept his mouth shut, he would have been better off.
There are a lot of hunters here in Utah who hate him with totally unjustified rage. I’m not one of them.
I actually tried to save his job with Outdoor Life in several communications with the Alex Robinson the editor.
No deer is worth the pain this has caused him. But he needs to own what he did wrong. A heart felt apology could go a long way.
I’m not for canceling anyone, but as hunters we need to do better.
I had not heard/read those things, Hoglefish, but this does shine new light on the incident. I agree he could have/should have stepped up and turned it into a win win. Sharing the meat and antlers would have been the best option. Could have even made the rack a traveling trophy, exchanging it between them year by year. Made new friends and memories. Ah, lots of options, but, again, Monday morning quarterbacking is always easier.
Steel targets usually don't move at 700 yards but game animals do. Enough said
Funny that both an expert and novice misjudged a long range shot on the same deer. What ever happened to ethics? That deer suffered needlessly.
Thanks Ron we all can stand to look at and reflect on things that most of us have at sometime or another are not proud of, and let the story play out and hopefully we will find out what really happened and those people are sorry for what happened.
Ron, your narrative on the suspected non ethical hunters is spot on. I don't believe anyone could have said it better. That was exactly right and perfectly said.
Excellent response on the Aram thing. We all need to be humble and not hide behing our internet anonimity. Well spoken fellow South Dakotan
I agree with you about the issue 100% Ron. None of us have any business accusing anyone in that incident because we weren’t there. What we are supposed to do is learn from these things to add to our own hunting ethics. Nobody’s perfect. But that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t try to be.
What a very level headed and mindful attitude from Ron! I got here at 308 likes too
I'm here for the goofy, and all the other stuff. I would stand with you any day and proudly waste any caliber of ammunition we have on hand. I love your videos, as another guy with a tiny channel i understand the effort you put into this. Thanks
Thank you sir.
I'm with you concerning the Aram affair: let's cancel the drama and take away some lessons. The one point you didn't mention that can be teachable is: experienced hunters need to be ambassadors, not adversaries to new hunters (the other shooter).
Hunting isn’t a competition like some hunters think! It’s a journey that’s about enjoying the trip and not coming home with the biggest trophy! If that’s the case then your cheating your self out of one of life’s greatest things!
Well said, Ed! @@edwardabrams4972
Class! (as in above the rest.) Just the thing I appreciate from a fellow Ron. Plus, your information is always useful, thanks.
Greetings from south central BC, thanks for the video. I appreciate your thoughts on long range shooting, the third of a second benchmark seems prudent in my experience as well. Well said, all the best and good hunting sir.
Hey!! I’m from Nelson! Good to have you in Ron’s universe!
We love you Ron! You're not goofy at all in my book.
Ha ha. Thank you Rusty. I'll try to minimize my goofiness!
Love listening to your podcast. I've always enjoyed hunting. For many years where I live we were only allowed to hunt dear and bear with shotgun slug. Even after being allowed to use rifle I still used shotgun and had to pass up many dear that were out of range. I think that was training for me to be aware of my limitations even with a rifle now that I've had one for a while. Even here with limited sight distance (400 yd max) I see ones shoot past their limitations. I hope that I always remember this and don't let excitement rule me. So easy to let that happen. Again I really enjoy your podcast.
Well said! It’s called self control and integrity which is so lacking in todays world!
It wasn’t hearsay. It was Aram’s description of events that was enough to make a person nauseous. Easy to blame it on rumors and hearsay to try and discredit people’s outrage. Aram admitted she shot it first, he admitted he might not have even been shooting at the same deer (a collar is not hard to see at 700 yards through binos and a scope), he admitted that her shot was probably lethal (but not immediately lethal). What grown ass man gets so excited he runs in front of a girl and kills a buck then claims it. I’m amazed anyone can try and justify or explain away his behavior.
The deer ran to him it was the same deer and he put the kill shot on it how you no that if he didn't kill it and it ran then died the next day she still would of lost it and coyotes get a free meal
@@warrengreen3217you need to google his response. He ended up deleting it. The deer didn’t run to him. He took a 730 yard shot at it when it came across the hillside, oh and that 730 yard shot was unranged! Yes, his words. Kill shot? He blew its lower leg off with that kill shot…his words. He met up with the girl while she was already tracking the animal, told her he also shot at a deer without a collar. He then joined the tracking and told her husband “don’t worry, I won’t steal your wife’s deer”. Then ended up pushing ahead of them and shot the deer 2 times. I suggest you find his story or events. It’s pretty telling…
Funny how you describe them, a “grown ass man” vs a “girl”. It shows your bias to it, they were both “grown ass people” she’s a woman, not a girl not that it makes any difference she’s a hunter same as him, her genitalia has no more relevance then his.
@@jaydunbar7538Democrat much?
@jaydunbar7538 It was her first buck. And he's a "influencer". Hunting etiquette is everything. Ethical hunting is everything. They were both unethical in my opinion. But first blood is first blood. He shot his leg off AFTER she already out a lethal hit on him. I dont care if I tracked the deer 2 days later. It's still my buck hybyhe first blood rule. The only reason he "killed" it was because he went ahead of while they were already tacking him!. In what world does somebody do that after they know you didn't kill that buck? and why would a different buck be on the same blood trail if it was a different buck? They were both in the wrong in the shooting aspect. but its her buck. period. Hes a clown. and he lost his job. He wrote articles about ethical hunting. and long range hunting. That's a joke. 😅😅
I just hope Joseph is not negatively impacted by this.
I admire your level-headed approach to analyzing this situation.
To learn something you might have to be negatively impacted as you put it. Idk. Looks like he's got his hands full either way
@@anchorbait6662just to be clear: Aram is under scrutiny, not Joseph. We’re not wanting Joseph to be negatively impacted.
@@falconcowboy9995you do the crime you do the time! The fish and game should make an example out of him so other hunters know what’s waiting for them if they want to copy a well known gun writers path!
On the controversial topic you spoke about I'm of the opinion that I don't have enough information to really give an opinion, and I rather keep it to myself and concentrate on my own hunting ethics. It isn't for me to tell anyone else what they should do. Thank you for your time and effort in the videos.
Ron gave the perfect comment. "Think twice, or four times". Perfectly said Sir!
Excellent advise on sighting a rifle in. Most guides will tell you take longer than 3 seconds to shoot, the kill ratio goes down by 50%. In what I consider to be ethical hunting distances 450 yds or less, I trust the maximum point blank over dials. Depending on what game I am hunting, I memorize the height of the torso, top of back to center mass of torso, & top of head when held up to centerline if torso. I can usually get shots off in 1 to 2 seconds averaging about 1.5 seconds. Also, I work on 2nd and 3rd shot follow up speed and accuracy.
The 3 second rule has been around so 60+ years because it was told to me way back them by my grandfather who was a retired military marksman!
This shot sequence and timing issue has been heavily studied in archery, because waiting at full draw gets old fast, even though many people claim to be able to hold for a minute or more. But the science shows that most shooters who are stuck at low performance are there because the speed at which they can execute the shot is greater than that for which they can hold the bow steady. But this affects rifles also. One, because it is good to know what your execution time is, and not rush it (you can snap off shots, just so long as you realize how badly you will shoot, and have that in the equation). Two, because while the issue is less disastrous with rifles, the ability to hold in positions like standing can collide with execution time.
love ya Ron👍
I really respect how you handled the Aram Von Benedict issue, well said.
I was surprised and confused when i herd about the drama and seen who was involved.........i now just remembered the Joseph Von Benedict who is regularly seen on here said he had a twin brother.... That's why they look so alike and i got them mixed up
Ron on the Aram controversy you nailed it. Both sides did wrong as has all of us to some degree. The rest of us should learn from it and our own mistakes. I think Aram sunk his own ship with his statements. As the pro hunter I do hold him to a higher standard but he should be able to redeem himself. He would go a long way with owning his mistakes and not casting vague statements at the other side.
Your man of honor and respect in a gossip age. Thank you Ron
I'm 71 and I'm with on that. I just love being able still go hunting.
As we get older hunting means so much more especially with our sons and friends as we never know when it might be our last hunt!
Love you uncle Ron
Lots of respect. I feel you really spoke well on the Benedikt situation and keyed in on a lot of good points. Those who are the crucifiers today may be the crucified tomorrow.
Ron, you are a class act as always!
Regarding lead sleds and heavy recoiling big bores, if they can’t move backward, they can move upward! Your cheek can feel like you’re in a fight and took a hard right cross!
Well you do not have to cancel someone to condemn their actions. I read his side of the story, and i feel he was not being honest nor professional. Unfortunately his ego got the best of him. A real man would have just admitted they were wrong. That's all anyone truly asks. If i had a friend that did something as he did, i would be sure to give him a piece of my mind. That's what friends do. At this point maybe Aram should just have the Buck mounted and presented to her. And have the meat packaged as well and given to her. Sometimes in life you have to put a little salt and pepper on that crow and admit what you did was wrong.
Sounds reasonable, Kevin.
I can't understand why a person who may not like you style Ron would say negative things about you . The internet and social media has allowed for allot of folks to become unnecessary and blatently ignorant and arrogant . I personally think you are excellent at what you do while trying to be kind and understanding to all. We can't please everyone I guess. CHEERS!
I appreciate the content and always will. We all have to make up our own minds. I also see that being a friend of Aram makes this difficult. This is not cancel culture though. I don’t care who you are the man took a deer that was already hit by another hunter - Aram admits in his statement he heard a hit. Truthfully it seems both of the shots that connected on that deer seem to be pushing the bounds of ethics for me but I won’t vilify anyone for taking a shot they feel is within their personal effective range but the man heard the hit and then took final shots and claimed the deer. From a man trying to portray an old school set of ethics in the field he sure didn’t show them here. The world we live in is one of shared information. It’s not cancel culture in this case it’s just letting the world know what some men will do for an article or content.
Or what some men will do for a trophy deer🤔😳
Only a true gentleman can read, respond to, and acknowledge vexatious complaints. You, Ron, are a true gentleman.
excellent video Ron
Well…I LOVE ya, Ron…just the way you are!😉
Very well said Mr. Spomer. This whole cancel culture gets out of hand at times. People are very quick to judge without knowing all the facts. Thank you again for a great video.
Lead sleds also mess with the barrel harmonics, so the group you’re seeing down range isn’t the true group or point of impact that you’ll see on the field.
Love your videos Ron
Thanks Ron
18 minutes in, I feal as if I was a teenager, and just got a lecture from uncle Ron at a camp fire when I ran my mouth off. (Well said Mr. Spooner)
Ron, Your 1/3 second is spot on especially the new straight wall cartridges. Most around 2100, that relates to 700 FPS in .33 sec. however it’s not going 2100 the entire distance of say a 150 yd shot, it has not traveled 700 ft or in 1/3 sec. I have had 3 instances where in the case of .44 magnum at 115 yards the deer moved forward as I was squeezing the trigger and the impact was a spine shot behind the shoulder. I have also had similar results a greater than 150 with .350 Legend. Aiming Point being high shoulder for dropping on impact. When bow hunting years ago shots at 25-35 yards always aimed low and forward as the deer always crouched and lunged at arrow release. I never lost a hit deer as I used my Siberian as a tracker. Over shooting at distances not practice is unethical at best. After spending thousands on equipment, and hunting arrangements, and licenses why would you not have ranger finder and find a place where you can set up the farthest ethical shot you’re capable of taking. Like others I appreciate your perspective and light hearted when sharing time in your podcast. Recognizing the need for schooling for long range hunting is certainly a winning combination. Physical exposure and experience trumps reading and watching videos ALONE as your ONLY source for the HUNT OF A LIFETIME GUIDELINES. Keep us informed, laughing, and participating, for future generations.
Ron, when you were explaining maximum point blank range it seemed to remind me of an article I saw many years ago by (I think) Jim Carmichael. It was called the non-thinking man's trajectory table. I kept it for many years, but sadly loaned it out and lost it. Always enjoy your podcasts and videos. Very informative and entertaining.
Ross Seyfried wrote an article on how point blank thinking was wrong. Interesting take. One part I remember was his contention that in all his guiding, people who had not verified their drops at the ranges they would shoot with the PB method, missed a lot. The idea one could zero at 100 and then rely on what the bullet would do from there on out, was not reliable. I don't know if modern tech has improved on that thinking. Frankly don't see why it would.
Ron stays rightious because he bases his PB system on a small target 6 inches on deer sized game, I think it what he has said. 10 inches is the actual size of a deer kill zone, in many cases, but if you cut it way back, then PB has a fudge factor and is more reliable.
The Lead Sled issue is real but is not limited to stock damage, it can also affect the scope and rings. There are several accounts of the recoil energy shifting, or dislodging, the crosshairs. I've personally seen slide marks on the scope from it shifting through the rings. Yes, improper torque is possible, but not likely. It probably wouldn't have shifted being fired from the shoulder.
If your goofy I'm nuts I still do my deer hunting with the good old 300 savage. Love the content
The " evil twin " defence i should have seen that coming😂
Good view on ethical distances which I share. But 1/3 of a second translates to around 270 yards in a 6,5x55 / CM shooting SST 140 at 2700 fps. And ½ a second will make you reach 390 yards.
Got a bunch of blunted/bent tip bullets and it was due to hard shipping and bullets slightly moving in box. It can a does happen
If you have open tip bullets then you want to make sure tip is normal as the round can fold over instead of opening. I usually run a tiny drill bit into my bergers to make sure tips are uniform
I to have noticed in more than 1 box of the Winchester power point 6.5 creedmoor 129 grain deformed tips but they still give me the 2nd best groups out of my model 70 extreme hunter
Good video from R.S.. Covered quite a lot of topics.
Good video
I am not a lead sled guy either, but they are designed to carry barbell plates to add weight to the sled. The more you add the greater the moment of inertial, and the more likely something bad happens to your setup if violent recoil is involved. Without any added weight they are an OK benchrest setup, if not up to what is used in accuracy shooting. Certainly OK for zeroing.
Hunting scopes should be very simple . Less change for mistakes .
Pretty bird dog
A lead sled is good for sighting in, just dont put too much weight on it, if any. I use it for only sighting in and working up loads. After that, you know it isnt the gun, its you. Practice as much as you can from different positions, that you may encounter while hunting. Also, if your shooting from a bipod or sticks, you may experience a point of aim shift and will need to adjust the sights or scope for that. With all that said, i only bought the lead sled, because i used to work on and shoot several guns a day.
Aram should have been a gentleman and let the lady have it either way. He is the so called professional / expert and understand he will have plenty of opportunities to get another. He really messed up and should just apologize at this point.
Is she a hunter or medieval maiden trapped by a dragon in need of rescue? She’s a fellow hunter, the fact that she is a woman is not relevant in any way. I’d agree giving deference to a new hunter, regardless of what their genitalia happens to be, is considered to be the proper course for many people including myself, but that’s a personal choice and by no means a obligation.
Thank you Ron for your words of wisdom. I needed to hear this also.
No more apology vdeos sir. Haters gonna hate. Keep up the great work 👍
Another issue in the long range world that comes up in this case is that if everyone were to shoot from 700 yards there is a much larger piece of real estate involved. A circle with a radius of 700 yards, which is what we are talking about when any two shooters, might attempt a shot at the same game that is 700 yards away, is an area of 320 acres. So now, you need to be aware of what is going on in an area of 320 acres. I would suggest that unless some of these snipers have an AWACs circling overhead, or a satellite, they may not have the situational awareness that hunting on public land requires, to cut loose these shots.
Rule 4 is be sure of your target. That also gets more difficult the further away it is particularly if there is any cover involved.
Great video
People watch Ron because he was doing this when only a few dozen shooters had platforms, say with regular articles in Rifle. And because Ron is a model of good manners and good humor online.
Bloodshot, or bloody meat can be soaked in saltwater overnight to eliminate that metallic taste. Just be sure to rinse the meat before and after. It helps a lot.
I think the LRB m25 is a LRB Arms and M25 action is basically a M1A(M14) rifle
Hey Ron just letting you know I’ve learned from another TH-camr that TH-cam has changed their algorithm to unsubscribe Bot subscriptions. They must think I’m a Bot because I only watch TH-cam videos and like and subscribe every video I watch. I resubscribed to your channel last week and had to resubscribe to this video. I’m getting aggravated with TH-cam for kicking me out because subscribing and liking is about the only way I can help the channels I watch. God bless 😉
Thanks for trying, Mike. I don't understand YT and algorithms etc. I just work on content and let my team get their hands dirty with the nasty stuff.
Ron I love your response to the Aram story! It just saddens me to hear about these stores and the bad name it gives out sport which I love so much and coming from a 4th generation hunting family and my grandfather was a marksman in the military and my father was one of the best running deer target shooter I ever saw and his close friend was a friend of John Nosler and I have in the 60+ years of hunting and reloading and being a gun collector of rifles I think that once in a while the bad Utah hunting incident can be a refresher to us hunters on how important our behavior can effect others and the black eye it can give the sport! Getting back to your last video on training new hunters is one of the best videos I have seen in the past 20 years on training new hunters and you Ron do us proud by your behavior and attitude on all things hunting related!
Thank you, Edward.
In my experience Winchester factory ammo is very hit or miss quality wise. The brass is most always dirty and stained, the different bullets designs with polymer tips are always crooked and or missing all together. That’s been my general experience with Winchester ammo over the years. On the plus some of the better quality rounds have been some of the most accurate out of certain rifles. So there’s some hope for them lol
Lately Hornaday ammo is worse then Winchester! I got a box of 30-06 ammo and half the box would not allow the bolt to close all the way on 4 of my 30-06 rifles! Now that’s some ammo to be proud of! Good thing I reload too!
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Dude…where did you get that gun…a 500 yard .22??? Where can I get one?
Just ribbing you…I am late to the party and just wanted to get mine in!
MPBR is not complicated but little understood. To your point, quicker for shooting up to MPBR but also requires much less “dialing” when stretching the legs!
Great video content…as usual!
Great response to an unfortunate situation. I would enjoy some segments on hunting ethics , particularly on public lands. I can’t think of anyone more qualified to present this than you. Thanks Ron.
The man unwilling to condemn his friend's unethical behaviors should tell us all what's ethical?
Goofy ol' farts are my favorite! Respect. I hope I can end up a goofy ol' fart someday.
I’ve never used a laser range finder and have shot lots of deer, moose and black bears out to 500-600yds. The method I use for ranging distance is to divide the distance in half until I get down to either 25 or 50 yards. Most of us with a little practice can accurately range 25yds. We can naturally half the distance of any range quite accurately with our eye. I am faster at ranging this way than most of my hunting buddies are with a laser range finder. My accuracy is almost always within 25-40yds of a laser measured distance. I know my margin of error works for shots out to 500yds with a flat shooting cartridge with a high bc bullet. Big game like moose offer a pretty big target for the vitals. I would feel confident out to 650yds in good wind conditions. 500yds is my comfort zone for deer. I like to keep it under 350yds with black bear just because I find it harder to find the vitals on a dark bear in the slash vs a deer. I don’t hunt with a high power scope, I usually have my scope set at 9x or 10x depending on which rifle I’m using.
It's funny how one person's low magnification is another's high magnification. Being in alabama most shots are under 200yds often times under 20yds. I wishes I had a 1x8 scope seem as though 3x8 3x10 is most common.
@@tracekornegay3790 I’m in BC Canada and the deer here like to stand at the tree line next to big slashes. It’s very common to shoot 300yds out here when you are hunting this way. During the rut it’s not uncommon to get them walking around stupid and have a shot be 50-100yds. Fall bears for example tend to be shorter ranges. Spring bears tend to be much longer distances because they are moving a lot. The bears like to move through the big slashes and it’s easier to spot them at distance and then stalk. It’s always interesting to hear how different the hunting is in different places. I have lots of family back east and in the southern US and they all hunt in stands and at much closer ranges.
Back before lasers it was said that trained military snipers did well to be within 20% on their range finding, and this is born out on archery where range finding in 3D is huge for success, and a lot of "clever" methods have been developed.
I remember reading about the most successful US fighter pilot in the European theater. His super power was that his vision was about twice as good as 20/20. He could simply see the enemy fighters coming in when they were at a distance where neither they, nor his own wing members were able to see what was coming. So not calling you out, you may have unusual powers, but the idea that people range accurately by eye is not one I would feel confident in.
@@tacticalskiffs8134 I’ve done a lot of 3D archery shoots and I find that estimating range at short ranges more challenging when being off by 5-10yds can be the difference of scoring well or not. I’ve found that estimating 50yds to be fairly accurate by eye with practice. So if I’m looking at a target that’s out around 200yds I’ll look for the halfway point. I’ll then look for the half way point again which would be should be about 50yds. If my half way point is short by say 10yds then I would estimate the range to be 180yds to target. If the half way point was 10yds past where I would estimate 50yds to be then I’d range it at 220yds. It does take practice but I find it effective and I don’t think that my eyesight is anything special. I’m sure there are lots of variations of this method that can be tailored to what works for you. If you haven’t tried it before give it a try. You might be surprised at how well it works.
Ron,
Can any .22LR cartridge actually travel 500 yards? Is that even possible?
The 308 sniper round fame is not a hunting idea. It was selected for the creation of specialized sniping rifles in the armed forces. The shooters are specially trained and rifles tuned. In the Marines at one time this meant. A model 700 with a heavy hart barrel and a free floating stock. The newer rifles and computerized data modules allow for many changes. Though I don’t doubt you know this
i went back to old school scopes no more dialing, no more batteries, and want shoot more than 500 yards, with proper caliber , have never had an issue, max point blank range is far better to shoot, 308 for max 250 yards, and my 300 for up to 500 yards, if animal is further out let it walk, or get closer. but i am a 70 year old hunter, and what do i know LOL. forgot to add my old 30/30 for the 100 yard stalks
Ron I wathced to see what you had to say about Aram VB. You said it well, you didn't lecture us and yet you spoke like a gentleman of principles. Too much anger and vituperation out there these days. What Aram did is between him the other hunter and God. and perhaps F&G Dept.
When you admit to willfully breaking the law then you should be given the fine for what you did! He didn’t do it by accident!
@@edwardabrams4972 you have to educate me I am not a fan of long range hunting- a lot of room for dangerous error but what did Von Benedikt admit to? I'm not judge and jury and I'll admit I don't have all the facts. I think poorly of what he did but I am not aware of his breaking law. Please advise.
I recently inadvertently had my leupold scope get turned 14 inches missed the buck.
Your a good man .My mother-in-law used to say criticism is a form of self elevation.
How coukd ya not love ron and his show. We love ya ❤️ Ron
You are so right about dealing with cancel culture. We all need to rise up and make sure we are doing the right thing. It is way too easy to point the finger at someone else. Most of the time the "finger pointers" have no clue what they are talking about.
You're a class act Ron. I cringed when I saw the video title, because I didnt want to see bad feedback on you. But you approached the subject in great manner. Aram doesnt look good in any version of the story, but calls on you to condemn him are a bigger problem than the subject. Demands to support all these digital lynch mobs, with their "if you're not with us you're against us" mentality, is a sad symptom of a society out of touch with true human interaction. (Tough digital voices make people forget how they would/should actually speak with strangers like they would face to face). Approaching everything with humilty and self awareness is a lesson sooo many people need to learn. Good on ya for keeping it classy Ron!
New Zealand hunting.We have a lot of public hunting land in department of conservation land,this includes national parks.All you need is a hunting permit(free)and you can hunt anywhere all year round .I consider this unethical considering seasons of fawns/calves being born and antler drop/velvet times.Red stag roar occurs March April and is a classical hunting season and is a very exiting time to hunt.There are many other species of deer and other game.Also many styles of hunting,high alpine open mountain,to close bush stalking or open lower country.Private land can also be available with permission as in many countries.Guided hunts are available if you do a bit of research.The usual problems of legality of bringing and useing firearms needs looking into.
I respect your ethics, however, isn't part of the problem that many or all of the deer are invasive, or as they like to say these days, "naturalized" species, and they would happily see them eradicated?
I dunno Ron, if think ur just fine. Our Prez is goofy 🤪
Me as a kid: "Dad, why do you like high velocity rifles over a bigger bullet?"
Dad: "Less shooter guesswork"
Long Range Browning lever action I believe is the firearm Neil is taking about and I think they are chambered in 223
Agreed, too much nonsense and heresy to make a call on who is in the wrong, how about we all learn from the issue at hand and make better choices moving forward.
Nonsense and hearsay? Did you read Arams own account of the situation? He stole that girls deer. He knew what he was doing. His own account corroborates her version of the story and validates it.
All I can say is Aram has a lot to live down and will pay a big price for such a stupid mistake for a long time! He sure gave hunting a big juicy black eye for some time to come!
I don't know why you complained about having that 6.5 Creed in rhe 308 Winchester box, LOL.
The 9.3 x57 is a beautiful caliber that most know very little about. Ŵith modern powders this cartridge produces the early 9.3x62 ballistics. With a 250gr nosler accubond this is beast.the real beauty is the rifle this cartridge arrives in
The Husqvarna 46 is amazing. It is light and handles like a high-end custom rifle .I ɓought mine for 335 dollars and have never spent my money better. I bought One in 8mm Mauser also.both are 96 Mauser not 98 mausers.the 96 mausers are not weak actions, just not as strong as 98.great work Ron. The Husqvarnas were bought from Simpson Ltd