And the libyans were basically kidnapping and enslaving Italian fisherman.....they were not good cross sea neighbors. The U.S. also had an issue with people being kidnapped and enslaved or ransomed back.......to the halls of Montezuma to the seas of Tripoli......
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Chris Cap, My name is Enriquez. Im an Iraq vet like you. Deployed to kirkuk, ft. warrior 09/10 Army Artillery. Love your channel, keep it up! very informative. And awesome the tech that you Ad like the night visions. They look awesome. Watching this episode and hearing at one moment hearing about sensibilities to others, i thought if you could do me a solid, only if you want to. Cuz you got a huge reach, you could educate us about Puerto Rico and statehood and colonialism happening right now.. you aint gotta do nothing obviously, but just a cool episode would be awesome. Just to see others points of view in the comments. take care man
Yeah - and what a HUGE surprise this was. Not. Like in we had tons of examples in quite recent history (most of them started by the US...) where exactly the same scenario led to exactly the same results. Not sure if the US got exactly what they wanted or if they are utterly incompetent and insane.
I often ask myself, beside all the pain and sorrow dictators like Gaddafi and Saddam Hussein brought over their country and the world, would there be overall less suffering with them instead of without them? It seems to me that unfortunately some cultures need a heavy hand to maintain civilization.
Enforcing a no-fly zone is a great euphemism for providing aerial support to one of the sides by doing pinpoint airstrikes on the other's strategic objects. It used to be called "joining the war" before the newspeak.
They even admitted supporting a specific side afterwards. United States keeps thinking that the whole world is like South Amrica, that if they get or rid of the ruling leader they can put their own dictator puppet in place. As bad as the previous one but atleast (for now) alligned with the US. And every time again they find out they lack context and fail to notice they are not the only player in countries outside of the American continents.
Like the way Israel did in Syria when the Syrian government was bombing ISIS rebels in Southern Syria. You cannot make this things up! How that will come to bite Israel is everyone's guess
You mentioned the large amount of gold and silver Gaddafi amassed. As I understand it, that was to create a gold backed Dinar currency, as part of his greater Africa plan. Interestingly, it was about the time Gaddafi told oil buyers that he was willing to sell oil for gold, rather than USD (aka the petro-dollar), that the US suddenly became willing to "back" the rebellion with military force.
I'd heard it was him wanting an African "euro", he certainly wasn't persona non Grata when we took him down. Blair had been running around as Bush' poodle sucking up to him years before. Certainly was weird timing how the free world turned on a dime and got him out, caused us no end of grief doing it, in the UK we have Brexit and whining old people complaining about brown people near continuously because of the old slave routes being used as illegal immigration routes...
Small correction: the USS Enterprise (CVN-65) was not a Nimitz-class aircraft carrier. It was a unique class of its own that preceded the Nimitz-class.
Another small correction, R2P was the UN world summit, not the Nato world summit. "The Responsibility to Protect populations from genocide, war crimes, crimes against humanity and ethnic cleansing has emerged as an important global principle since the adoption of the UN World Summit Outcome Document in 2005".
I caught that too. I believe Enterprise was basically a modified Kitty Hawk class for general layout, except for propulsion and that odd Island. You sound like a former bird-farm sailor as well.... CVA-64 and CV-61 for me.
@@Lardum not really, even we on Tunisia were supportive of the libyans and Gaddafi, you don't know how it was under him besides the selective narrative you've been fed, I've been to Libya under his rule and everyone from rural areas to the main cities loved the guy, but no matter how much the CIA spreads seeds of a cout in countless countries, y'all are still following like sheep, the CIA ousted many very good elected and non elected leaders by using so many strategies, from Iran president, to the hundreds if not thousands of attempts in south amarica alone!!! the US ousted a government, killed millions just to secure banana exporting rights, for damn bananas they brought misery and terror upon a whole nation, you'd think they wouldn't do more for OIL!!????
"We came, we saw, he died." US (and EU by extension) foreign policy can be inconsistent at best and hypocritical at worst when it comes to dealing with authoritarian regimes. Iraq and Libya must go while Saudi Arabia and Egypt are "friends." IIRC Gaddafi was delisted as a state-sponsor of terrorism but that didn't help his prospects of survival.
Yes, it's also interesting that majority of the terrorists behind 9/11 were Saudis, yet Saudis faced no punishment while countries, that had nothing to do with it, were bombed
Excellent comment. I hope many people read it. There's so much more to the story, including the fact that North Africans and the French called this war, "Sarkozy's war". The former French president was the galvanizing force for this war because he owed billions of dollars to Gaddafi. Britain was the other Force involved, both of them collectively convincing the Clinton State Department to pay them back for reluctantly getting involved in Iraq. Don't forget that ISIS and Al Nusra were both fighting side-by-side with NATO troops. In the first two weeks of the war, a reported 40,000 civilians were killed. If you pull up photographs of Tripoli before and after the war, the jewel of North Africa, you will see that this was radical punishment of the country, and not simply taking out a dictator.
I'm a bit late here, but I think @highres is right here. This was more French Foreign Policy than US. Gaddafi was also paying off debts to France from former French colonial rule, and encouraging an African Union that traded in Gold, rather than US Dollars or the Euro. Looking at the Countries in the Sahel region of Africa that are currently having coups, and throwing the French out, this theory does make a lot of sense.
The toppling of Gaddafi, by the CIA, has caused as much harm and misery as American invasion of Iraq. And it was done, for similar reason. GW Bush invaded Iraq when Saddam Hussein tried to sell Iraqi oil for Euros instead of for the Petrodollar. Similarly, Gaddafi wanted to created a Pan African Economic Bloc, using the Libyan dinar as a currency for international trade. American intervention is more about the preservation of the Petrodollar reserve currency status than anything else.
A lot of scholarship also attributes the Arab Spring to the rise of mobile Internet devices and social media. Totalitarianism that worked in the 1980s could not control information in a cell phone ecosystem.
Good point. It is interesting that there was this few years of seemingly unregulated social media and mobile internet in dictatorships, before they realised how to shut it down, control it, and finally use it to their advantage (surveillance and social control).
Blah-blah-blah-blah, "Arabian spring" strangely has only taken part in USA opponent's countries. For example, UAE and SA have no such things. Strangely. And yes, they kill him intentionaly. I remember: "We came, we saw, he died.'"
In addition, American-backed social media that may (or may not) have had a significant amount of sentiment analysis manipulation by the CIA. For example, in Egypt videos showing police brutality were (allegedly) amplified in people's facebook feeds, while opinions trying to cool the situation were suppressed/given less visibility through AI.
@@marvinfok65will never happen in the near future as the $$$$ holds all the cards and is stable and held in trillions by china, Japan etc so why would the most powerful country's cut of there nose to spite there face.
A small clarification: common reaction to Saddam's execution on a religious holiday (Eid Al-Idha) made him a martyr in the eyes of most Sunni muslims and further made the US like butchers because of the timing of his execution. His prior crimes were slowly forgotten over time, though Shia muslims and Kurds still do not see him in a favourable light (understandably). The Arab Spring started because of Ben Ali's actions (rigging elections, turning the country into a racket for his family to run, cracking down on protests and opposition, a fermenting economic crisis, rising unemployment... ) and the first seeds of it were planted in 2008 which later exploded in December 2010 until his ousting on January 14th 2011, following a street vendor burning himself in protest, not because of a sentiment birthed by Saddam's death.
The US was not involved at all in the exectution of Saddam, it was scrupulously left to the Iraqis. (Had the US beein involved the hanging would not have been as botched). Sunni Muslims would have made whatever they wanted to out of him anyway, but it was muslims that he tortured and abused for most of his life. The overthrow of Saddam showed that the old dictators who had held power for so long in the middle east could be toppled and whilst it wasn't the immediate cause it did give inspiration to those who wished to do similar things.
@@tomriley5790without US capture and sending him to Shias he wouldn’t have died the way he did. US did this knowing this would happen. It was trying to please shias which was a big mistake, another the US kept making. The shias went to Iran and Sunnis supported militants.
I lived and studied in Tripoli for 1.5 years before having to evacuate in Feb2011. One or 2 minor mistakes pointed out by other commenters but overall fantastic analysis, thank you.
feels that way when you compare it to today. free healthcare, cheap gas, low cost of living, and no hoardes of migrants sweeping through the country and evil slave traders taking advantage of them @@cyberft
I'm glad you're doing more historical current events content. Just a small correction. The toppling of Saddam was not likely the inspiration for the Arab Spring. The first spark and proximate inspiration so to speak came from the self-immolation of a street vendor in Tunisia that got them to oust their dictator and it rapidly spread from there because of social media.
I disagree - the toppling of Saddam showed that the "forever dictators" could be toppled, it wasn't the immediate cause but it did give inspiration to the idea which was then sparked by the events you describe.
@@tomriley5790 You're ignoring the "whys" of the Arab Spring. There were multiple causes but a major one was the fact that most of those dictatorships were various forms of Arab Socialist but did almost nothing to actually help the people. They wasted a ton of the oil revenue on pointless wars, military spending, and on corruption. They were _barely_ maintaining control of their countries and there was instability and increasing resentment/resistance before the Iraq War. Saddam even dealt with a coup attempt in 96 and there were numerous attacks and assassination attempts through the 90s and Saddam maintained a handful of body doubles to thwart attempts on his life, not to mention the fact he had a series of wars with the Kurdish population. The whole reason those dictators needed large militaries were due to all the instability in their countries that had existed and was largely due to colonialism, shitty borders, and ethnic/religious tensions. That's all without even getting into things like the increasing religious fanaticism/fundamentalism across the Muslim World or the cold war between Iran and Saudi Arabia and their funding of various radical groups that started waaay before 2003.
@@wrestlinganime4life288 10 Nuke tipped ICBMs vs 1000 nuke Tipped ICBMs + Anti Missile Defense is not a competition. Reason is North Korea has China and now Russia openly backing them .
I actually had a long conversation with a libyan in spain in 2018, he said that propaganda was all over the universities but no one he knew had stood against gaddafi they were all foreign actors involved in all the protests, he spoke about how libyans had it better than even Spain, and that any sort of resentment held by libyans was based around not having kfc, nightclubs or mcdonalds but they stood by gaddaffi and many of his friends fought for him when this was going on.
@@andycai1986 Not really. most people in libya were on the side of gaddafi. the ones against him where mostly us propagandists. libya wasn't nearly as fucked up before the war as us propaganda told you. and the current state of the country is the fault of the west, mainly the usa.
@@Noqtis if a nation is united, and everyone is focus on one unity, no other countries can make it become warzone and multiple factions. US Europe is one factor, while the Russian Iran another factor, basically Libya becomes proxy war nations, even now there's two states in Libya. Under Gaddafi of course it's better, without anyone to oppose him, under peace, at least growth can be there even if it's slow and hard under dictatorship.
@@andycai1986 Except it wasn't slow or hard under Gaddafi. They had oil wealth, and Gaddafi was competent enough an administrator to see that at least some of that wealth went to providing a decent baseline of infrastructure and benefits to the nation's inhabitants.
Thank you for the insightful comment. At a popular French bakery in Newport beach, Ca, the flow of employees are mostly North African and French with relatives in North Africa. They say exactly the same thing. Gaddafi was the president of the African Union, and was right on the threshold to having a united front of oil payments in the gold dinar. It doesn't take too much to figure out what really was going on when one follows the money trail, particularly all those emanating from United states, France and Great Britain.
if not the best military analysis channel anywhere on any platform. i like the fact that all that he reported is verifiable but no one would talk about in detail.
Exatly what Russians and Chinese said to Obama "you don't know what you are doing", he and Bush neocons caused entire region to fall into turnmoil and now ruled by radicals. Qaddafi was not radical.
That Bedouin saying at 10:10 describes the current conflict in Libya pretty well. “I and my brother are against my cousin, I and my cousin are against the stranger.”
Sums up many post colonial states pretty well. Many groups united against the colonial government and often against the post-colonial government but then went at each others throats. There were even weird situations where communist and capitalist or monarchist groups united for a time.
I remember reading about the Libyan Civil War back in 2011. It was right when I had just started to pay attention to politics, and I remember it being a surprisingly big deal here in the US. If I remember correctly, then President Obama had to either ask for a declaration of war or cease US involvement after 90 days, and when that 90 days was up he basically said “too bad, not gonna change anything” and continued to order strikes without a declaration of war.
Zionists killed Gaddafi because he was mulling introducing the gold-backed African Dinar and he was telling the world about Israel being responsible for the 9/11 attacks. He was also killed, like Saddam, because he could have posed a future threat to Israel.
A war declaration isn't needed, congress merely needs to pass an "Authorization for use of military force" aka a AUMF. The US has not fought a formally declared war since Korea.
@@mrvwbug4423 Since WW2 actually. Which fun fact, wasn't the Dec 8th Declaration of War against Japan after the previous days attacks, no against Germany or Italy later that month (Dec 11th), but June 5th, 1942 Declarations of War were made by the US against Axis members Bulgaria, Hungary, and Romania. That was the last time the US formally declared War.
Yes you are basically correct! Obama for his entire Presidency went far beyond his Constitutional Authority and Legalities, consistently. "Change" was never going to be for the betterment of America and We the People and we are seeing that play out in front of Our eyes now more than ever. He used to be the worst most damaging President We ever had until Biden somehow topped him in less than 2 years.
The US wanted Gaddafi's torture to be televised, and Libya to fail, to make an example of it, to send a message to other national leaders to not talk about freedom from the petro-dollar.
Why are you surprised that the Mediterranean region is originally the heart of the ancient world and was ruled by several countries, kingdoms and empires and several historical wars took place in it. How can there not be historical monuments in it when it is the source of ancient civilizations such as the Roman, Egyptian, Greek, Canaanite, Carthaginian and even Islamic civilizations?
I like seeing something you can learn from. All these other fake ass people don't have the knowledge to put together good content. I hope you do it for awhile!
It's become obvious that Twitter and other social media sites are basically an arm of the CIA. Gaddafi was opposed to the petrodollar and refused to allow federal reserve banks and the IMF into his country. For that he was overthrown. It's not a conspiracy theory the CIA has admitted to doing similar things in the past.
That's part of why they didn't help him when he sent an envoy to Israel telling them ot use their diplomatic relationship with US to make NATO stop the bombing on Libya. ISRAEL quickly said NO.
@@reece42069 the laughter emoji as a response has become a mark of respect to me. Anyone who laughs/scoffs at something without refuting it factually is making their own reward
I watched this video earlier today as I was boarding my flight and I just have to come back to it to leave a comment. This was a well done video Chris! Incredibly informative, very educational, and currently relevant. Well done on choosing this content but moreover, very well done on doing your homework. Good presentation. Your content has been on a steady incline, and though more serious now, it's significantly better as it progresses. Thank you for all your hard work and diligence.
Our government had a specific reason and deciding factor for taking out Gadaffi He advocated for the Arab world to adopt and solely accept the Gold Dinar for oil sales in place of the US controlled dollar, and this idea was gaining enough traction for our government to see it as a serious threat to our nation’s interests This was the straw that broke the camels back for our nation’s relations with him, but wouldn’t be widely accepted as a valid reason to get rid of him Thankfully for our government, he had a habit of doing all types of other stuff that we could claim as our reason to step in and help out the Libyan people I’ll keep my personal feelings out of this though. I joined the military knowing that a variety of actions fit into defending our nation and it’s “interests”
Libya and Iraq are literally the main reasons why Iran and North Korea won't give up their nuclear weapons program. Gadaffi was terrible, but fairly OK by African standards, and he gave up his only leverage to be not overthrown and now Lybia is a total failed state. And Iraq fell just before. Only half of the countries of the world are democracies so not every country needs to live by European and North American standards and then have the country (but really only the people) severely punished for it in terms of sanctions. France did not need to intervene and sanctions had made the people so poor that they could only resort to violence, and crime and get indoctrinated into extremist thinking. We collectively seem to forget that the majority of the world was under dictatorships until less than 100 years ago. Not everyone can transition at the same time. Sanctions because of democratic backsliding and the development of nuclear weapons should be stopped. France, the UK, South Africa and Israel were never punished. What the hell is the difference?
"Fairly okay for African standards". Welp. Except not really. Libya pissed off Egypt and the twos involved in a war in 1977. Mozambique & Tanzania were also in war with Libya & Uganda. Then Libya invaded Chad in 1978. Plus, even Gaddafi's Libya was interfering in foreign countries despite THOSE COUNTRIES NEVER INTERVENED in Libyan internal affairs.. e.g. Gaddafi supported the Shining Path rebels in Peru & Acehnese separatism movement in Indonesia.
As the reply above states. Lybia is one of those cases where the west does prety much everything right, but the goverment is still absolute garbage and manages to fuck things up to a impresive ammount. Srsly I don't understand how the west is blamed for Libya? Srsly not everything is the fault of the west and ppl in Africa can be absolute monsters aswell.
On spot but middle is wrong, extremist thinking always existed much before him even taking power, read about Islamic movement of Algeria and other countries they wanted to restabalish a Islamic rule after demolishing of Ottoman Empire
I had a friend that was a veteran of the War between Libya and Chad, he was part of the French Foreign legion, the stories he told were horrifying. Having to kill hundreds or thousands of child soldiers and having to bury they in mass graves with bulldozers, it really messed him up.
Sorry, but your friend seems to messed up long before that happend. Otherwise he would have considered to leave the battlefield instead of doing such horrible things. I mean good for him that his conscience got involved at some point but a little late.
Something to keep in mind is that Libya didn't really exist before the Italians invaded. There were three provinces of the Ottomam Empire inhabited by various tribes that mostly ruled themselves and paid some tribute to the Sultan, then Italy arrived, gave everything the name the ancient Romans used for the coastal regions, and forced everyone together, and after the war the winners kept them all in the same arbitrary country. Just like in Somalia, right down to the Italians showing up (but not the name, Rome never arrived there).
That is literally how the entire borders of the middle east and Africa were established. The modern borders of the ME and North Africa were arbitrarily dictated by european countries after the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, so they basically were "how does europe want to divy up their new colonies" Sub-saharan African borders are based around the borders of the european colonies in Africa. During the Ottoman era they largely left existing tribal/feudal borders alone as long as the local Emir or Sultan pledged loyalty and paid tribute to the Empire, and those that refused were simply crushed and placed directly under Ottoman control.
@@mrvwbug4423 I know. But somehow the video missed this about Libya. And being Italian, and having read about how Italy was on track to establish the same kind of control over the three provinces in 1914 only to throw everything away because of a single embezzler, I decided to point it out.
Every few years or so, the U.S. can somehow find a mad dictator somewhere in a resource rich country. The Arab Spring was a color revolution, Libya had one of the highest standards of living in Africa, and the Libyan government was planning to drop the U.S dollar for oil sales. By the way, I'm surprised you didn't mention the fact that slavery of African people is going strong in Libya after the U.S. intervention.
And funny how he didn’t mention how Killery Clinton laughed about how we went in and killed him. I believe the quote is “We came, we saw, he died.” They left the country in ruins and look at it now. Is it a better place without him? I don’t think so.
@@xiohntaylur9496 You are talking about Gaddafi here, right? After all, he armed and funded terrorist and rebel groups all around the globe for decades. Call it even.
It took about a year before I knew they got rid of Gadaffi because I was busy getting my masters. I was shocked because he was turning around. These strong men are ruthless but the middle east will be worse without them. Taking out Iraq, you get crazy Iran.
Well done Cappy. There is a much bigger story and picture that needs to be looked at to really make educated positions of why we are, where we are today in the world. It’s all very complex, And It’s all connected. Thanks for helping people understand these situations better.
Great to watch you evolve into a wiser man as you and your team try to process complicated and often nuanced events into a digestible and reasonably accurate format for people who didn't take degrees in history and political science. Keep up the good work!
No he wasn't. That was just one of Gaddafi's megalomaniacal fantasies. None of the other nations of Africa had any interest whatsoever in Gaddafi's "single currency".
@Taskandpurpose one thing this video could have delved into more was the actual reasons why conflict continued in Libya, and the foreign influence that made it happen. The proto-proxy conflict between Turkey & Qatar's Muslim brotherhood ideals vs. the KSA & UAE dominated faction which played out in many other countries, notably Syria, was one of the single biggest contributors to continued conflict from 2013-present. With the sides, and other outside powers like France & Russia, establishing relations with the factions they wanted to dominate Libyan politics, a political solution became less and less likely as the violence escalated. This era of Libya, while a result of the internationally recognized 2011 intervention, should be separated from the direct causes of the intervention as it is the result of very different political factionalism & also had some incredibly interesting dynamics to it. There's not many conflicts worldwide in the past decade where a NATO country (France) & Russian special forces have fought on the same side, but in Libya that was the case. Overall a good assessment of the history leading to 2011, and of the intervention itself, but to just skip from 2011 to present without touching on the massive foreign involvement throughout that period ignores a lot of the reasons on why Libya is in the state it is today.
FYI, USS Enterprise CVN-65 was an Enterprise Class Carrier, not Nimitz, essentially a one off and in many ways testbed used By Navy to confirm or educate naval architects on how to build a nuclear powered aircraft carrier, that is why "She" was commissioned in 1960 and the learning phase was the following decade, followed by USS Nimitz joining the fleet in 1974, after that learning period. major differences being Enterprise had 8 reactors of the type in service on Submarines , Nimitz have 2 reactors designed specifically for a large Carrier sized vessel. This story would be worthy of telling in its own right.
Most Libyans aren't Bedouins (arab nomads), they are either sedentary arabized Berbers, Arab-Berber mixes (like Gaddafi, whose paternal line is Berber) who adopted arab or bedouin customs or just plain Berbers. Bedouins (and arabs) are also more geographically restricted to the eastern parts of Libya (Cyrenaica) and are the result of more recent migrations (last few centuries) from Egypt, Sudan and Arabia.
Man am from Syria and I live the absurd reality, all I want to say is that you are the most responsible voice from western point of view even if the reality may be different and difficult to have a clear idea,I respect your work I hope your voice of reasoning be heard
Interesting but avoided France and Italy issues. I'd like to hear more about the Gas Deal Khadafy made with Italy and France's disagreement with Italy over Libya issues. Libya is still a mess 10 years later.
@@tetraxis3011 Of course you do if you're in his position lol, what are you gonna say? "If I get removed, everything will be better than it currently is!"
@@JJDelft When Gaddafi reached the power in September 1969 Libya used to be occupied by five melitry bases. Two American in the western part of the country and two British in the eastern side the fifth was French in the south. Libyan oil used to be run by British and American companies. Libyan banks used to be owned by foreign banks. Over 100 thousands of Italians used to own and run Libyan economies in agriculture and Libyans used to work for them as slaves. The illiteracy rate was over 90% among Libyan population. According to the UN reports in 1967 Libya was threatened by genocide. Libyan did not have any schools and hospitals. They also used to live in tents or tin houses. As soon as Gaddafi took over the equation changed. He closed all the military bases and nationalised the oil and banks sectors. He also kicked out all the Italians and authrised Libyans who used to work for them to own and run their businesses. Gaddafi brought Egyptian companies to build house school and hospitals for all Libyan in all over the country. He made Education is free and compulsory for all Libyans which made the illetracy changed from highest in the region to the lowest in the Arab world just in ten years of his governing. He also started the begist agricultural project by planting over 40 million trees in all over the country as well as the biggest water project in the world which is known as the Hand Made River. Polically Libya used to be devised into three regions before Gaddafi as soon as Gaddafi took over he united the nation in one state. Under Gaddafi revolution Libyans used to have things that Europeans and Americans do not have such as Free education and healthcare from the gradel to the grave . Libyans also have tax free system. The government provides free house with free electricity and gas for all Libyans. Those who have limited income they recieved support from the oil reserves every month or on annual bases. You should enjoy such repression in our freedom loving " democracy "? Are you really that ignorant?
@7:00 little correction. The biggest reason geographic determinism fell out of favor is because it only looked at one aspect of a state to see how it would and has worked out. There were too many exceptions to the rule, nations in the past in europe with the same climate and resources being worse off than their next door neighbors ect.
It's still fairly common, but the issue is viewing it as a sole determinator in geopolitics. "Why Nations Fail" by Daron Acemoglu and James A. Robinson and "Prisoners of Geography" by Tim Marshall are both good books on the topic. But like you said there are tons of exceptions to the rule, some countries contract "Dutch Disease" due to discovering valuable resources while others dont like various petro states compared to Norway, some countries like Russia and Saudi Arabia become extremely militant and aggressive due to a lack of geographic defenses leaving them vulnerable while others like Botswana dont.
for the longest part i've been watching your channel and wondering what to take and what to leave since I lack the knowledge, and when it came to this subject I believe in your credibility and see that when you summarize you look for the bigger picture, I'm libyan and the war in 2020-2021 made me drop out of architecture school and pursue motion design and visual arts abroad, the US intervention while aimed to help, some other countries like Russia didn't like that and interveened in multiple ways, most obvious being the presence of wagnar and aiding the east to wage war on the west, thank you for doing honest work.
I once watched some Yale lecture where the lecturer claimed that former cabinet ministers were took part of 2011 uprisings. Do you know any of that, was there Gaddafi inner circle turning against him?
@@vaultsjan definitely some rode the wave, and after a few years thet went back to their routes and causing further turbulence for personal gain, when you have a nation that's oppressed for so long, most people who rise to power will abuse their power and over compensate for their lives, especially non well educated people, and sadly most people in power are elders or moved by elders, tribal mentality of some sorts, the badawi saying that Chris quoted is true
@@yam2050 correct, by east wage war on the west, I meant the war led by Haftar under the title "alkarama" means dignity, as an attempt to control libya and kill his opposers, and Haftar only came into light after Gaddafi's demise, he was also captured and sent to the US in the Chad war
@@QronoZ713 South Korea is propped up by US money and is still a shithole under all the glitz and glamour perpetuated by the chaebol, what are you on?
Moreover you should never intervene in a Islamic country conflict or issues no matter how much one side cry for international help ,they are always complicated clustered issues ranging back to historical conflict let them handle it themselves
The Sahara desert was not a desert millions of years ago, or even 10K years ago. The lack of economic development in Africa has more to do with the lack of navigable rivers than anything else, as described by Thomas Sowell.
@@intermaria The problem is that only *sections* of these rivers are navigable. Very close to 100% of the African continent is 200+ meters above sea level, the only exception being a very thin band along the coasts. So you can't take a boat down any river and then out to sea: there are huge waterfalls. I think the lower Nile is the only exception. There is absolutely nothing in Africa that is comparable to the sea-going navigability of the Rhine, Rhone, Volga, Mississippi, Amazon, Yangtze, or Murray. (Yeah, seriously, who ever heard of the Murray?) (I'm no expert; I just watched a YT video on the subject. Who knows - maybe it was all lies...)
Great take for showing both sides , when I saw Gaddafi overthrown I knew that it probably was going to be bad for the people and probably worse without him, Grass isn't always greener on the other side
@@mrvwbug4423order is better than chaos, at least with him, there was a semblance of order. Two key fact missing in this video is: (1) NATO flooded the entire country with so much weapons that years 20:56 later, Libya was the major arm sellers in the black market. (2) most of the rioters where not even from Libya, they where imported from Egypt and Tunisia. Subsequently, the killing of Ghadafi spooked the Russia so much that they intervene against NATO in Syria. the west was seriously offended with Russia for Saving Asad in Syria that project Ukraine was activated in full force and the sanctions where slapped on Russia with reckless abandon. With Russia bugged down in Ukraine, project Syria and Iran will be activated (right now US carrier is closed to that vicinity)
there are two options: 1- a strong Dictator who Rules with an Iron fist and oppresses everyone who tries to take his throne. 2- Various factions and warlords with different international backers who fight each other for control. first option results in less Immigration and more stability because the majority of people are not interested in politics and only want to go on their way while the opposition are the minority second option results in more Immigration and less stability because when the minority ( who were kept in check by the big daddy ) fight each other they destroy cities and ruin lives and businesses so the majority start to move into other stable places looking for more stability anyone who doesn't want immigrants flooding his country should go to his politicians and tell them to stop funding the opposition of other countries . simple.
I totally agree about the risk of mission creep. Aside from that is the problem that it is not enough to win the war, you have to also win the peace. If the only plans you have is how to win the war then you are doomed to perpetual war because you have no plans fo peace. Winning a war gives you a strong position to win the peace, but it is not itself a sufficiency, and if you are not willing to go that extra step then you are doomed to getting 90% there and falling at the final hurdle.
Removal of a leader that had decades of building the "Yes man" structure around himself will always lead to his minions clapping each other for power afterwards. Same happened in Iraq after Saddam was ousted.
Nice to see Chris getting more involved with geopolitics, instead of simple good guy vs. bad guy narratives. The US gets itself into so much trouble with these unintended consequences. The only group that has benefited from these consequences is the weapon manufacturers. Enough said.
"Unintended consequences" LOL! Oh yes, the US is so damn innocent. They clearly had no idea what they were doing. Guess you haven't ever heard of the Ledeen Doctrine.
@@dioniscaraus6124 They dont really benefit though, the dictatorships often keep prices low and war leads to economic and infrastructure damage resulting in higher prices. Look at how after most wars in the middle east oil prices spiked or how in wars like Ukraine food and fertilizer prices spiked. Looking at exports for many countries after the end of colonialism and many took years or decades to get production back up to prewar levels, even for basic things like food sometimes those countries took so long to recover that population/domestic demand rose so much they stopped being major exporters. Sometimes they ultimately go back down but more often the damage can take so long to repair that prices either dont drop back down at all or only drop to a level above the prewar level. That's actually why countries will either back dictatorships or otherwise try to avert war: a stable dictatorship is a better trading partner than an unstable government or a warring country.
Unpopular opinions : Libya and Iraq are now worse than they were under their dictatorship regimes. We all know that Gadafi and Husein were bad, but world is not black and white and the region is much worse and more unstable now, than it was under thair regime :(
Hey Cappy, there is one major aspect you didn’t factor in! In 1974, under President Nixon, an arrangement was made with Saudi Arabia & OPEC that allowed the USA to sell high tech weapons systems to Saudi Arabia in exchange for them to allow ONLY US Dollars to be used to buy oil. This was and has been a major source of income to the US economy since then. In the early 2000’s Saddam Hussein stated that he was going to start selling oil in local currencies. Iraq was found to have “weapons of mass destruction “ that needed dealing with ASAP ! Saddam is dead Iraq sells oil in dollars. In 2010’s Khadafi plans to have a new currency for all Africa, the golden dinar, and he stated that it would be used as a currency for buying/ selling oil. And as you demonstrated, Khadafi is quite dead due mainly to US intervention. Libya sells oil in US Dollars. All American presidents & administrations have maintained this arrangement until Biden. With the start of the Russian invasion of Ukraine, one of the sanctions applied was the freezing of the Central Bank of Russia’s holdings of US Dollars. No one has ever done such a thing before! The nations of the world took notice, and one by one have started getting rid of dollar holdings, AND are buying / selling oil in local currencies. No one is ending up dead. Before 2020 80 % + nations traded dollars for oil, now it’s down to 44%. Notice inflation raising ?! Notice the buying power of the dollar going down ?! The worse is yet to become.
I am a Libyan citizen. Gaddafi is a good president because it is the Gaddafi era. Education is free, medicine is free, and food is considered free because it is supported by the state. It was also a strong and sovereign state. As for what happened during the revolution, it was propaganda. The beginning of the revolution was when fans left the club celebrating and were shot by unknown assailants. Then rumors spread that it was the government, and this did not happen. Because those who opened fire were from Qatar and some traitors, and they admitted it
An important missing point is the role of the french president of the time, Nicolas Sarkozy. There is still some ongoing investigation, but he very probably got 50millions € illegaly from Gaddafi to finance his presidential campaign in 2007. Then in 2011, he was among the first to declare the NTC as legitimate, then he asked to Europe council for an aerial denial zone over Lybia, which was refused. Then, as the Arab league was supporting the same idea, France pushed for the same thing at the UN security council, where US decided to join in. There is a lot of details in the "Affaire Sarkozy-Kadhafi" wikipedia page, sadly the english version isn't as complete. My personal opinion: Sarkozy, among some other economical advantages for France, wanted to ensure that his links to Gaddafi were closed and so he pushed to overthrow Gaddafi. That would also partly explain why Obama considers intervention in Libya as his biggest mistake, because in addition to the shitty situation it created in libya, he may have learn later that this intervention was greatly motivated by Sarkozy's personal interests.
No, the Chadian-Libyan conflict goes far beyond the civil war. The Toyota War, for instance, was an outright invasion, a war of aggresion as a result of territorial disputes.
Thank you. I grew up in Libya from the age of 3 until I was 17 (1946-1960), my father being the Commissioner of Trade and Supplies during the British administration of Tripolitania after the Second World War until 1951 when Libya became independent. As a family, we remained in Libya until 1960 when oil was discovered. And as I write this, I look at two watercolour paintings on my study wall of Tripoli Castle and a street in the old city suk. The US/NATO disaster of 2011 confirms the priority to disband NATO, and closure of the 850 US military bases in Europe, Asia and Africa. Let's not forget Hillary Clinton's barbaric comment about Gaddafi's murder: "we came, we saw, he died, hah, hah, hah!", and the disasters that followed because of US/NATO military interventions in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Ukraine and now Palestine.
A video of this nature about the Syrian conflict and it’s ongoing consequences would also be very welcome. This was a fantastic video by the way, to say the least. The mix of historical context and more modern events, while still looking at this in a constructive way to better understand when and how intervention can fail to achieve positive long term results, made for a great video. I think the question of what to do when confronted between the choice of a violent dictator and a chaotic empty power vacuum is something that isn’t addressed nearly enough. We have to ask these questions to find ways to both secure the safety of innocent populations being oppressed and murdered while not allowed those same people to fall into a humanitarian disaster afterwards.
The toppling of Gaddafi, by the CIA, has caused as much harm and misery as American invasion of Iraq. And it was done, for similar reason. GW Bush invaded Iraq when Saddam Hussein tried to sell Iraqi oil for Euros instead of for the Petrodollar. Similarly, Gaddafi wanted to created a Pan African Economic Bloc, using the Libyan dinar as a currency for international trade. American intervention is more about the preservation of the Petrodollar reserve currency status than anything else.
Gadaffi threatened the US Dollar. He was wanting to create a stronger Africa and Libya was rich! It had 0 debt. No other African country has ever had this. Also Qatar was wanting to be the new Dubai and Libya had to go for that to happen
Thanks for raising this history that really is rather recent. One aspect I am missing though, France was a lot more hawkish than the US in arguing for the military intervention. The French played a key role in making the intervention happen. Maybe that is one reason the US did not have much of a long term plan?
France has maintained a special relation with their former dominions. The french mission in Mali was another one that ran until Wagner recently replaced them. A lot of places were their clients, and could count on security assistance in exchange for economic access. France in turn gets uranium, gold etc. There is a lot of little french interventions.
You gotta mention the agreement between the Transitional National Council and France that said that France's companies could have 30% of Libya's reserves if France conducted strikes on Gaddafi's positions.
They do, they just don't care. They didn't intervene in Libya because of the protest. They intervened because of the gold backed currency Gaddafi was going to implement and the Russian Naval base that was going to be constructed in Libya.
Same. Except: it's missing something I've learned subsequently, which is that the conflict after the fall of Gaddafi was not due (solely) to organic tensions. Early on, Russia supported a faction opposed to the internationally recognized government. Later, it became a proxy war between Russia and Turkey, with complications, eg France supporting Russia's man, Qatar getting involved.....This leads to at least three important points: 1) sometimes, things aren't as they look - and we should understand that without falling into conspiracy theories. 2) it isn't all about the USA and the locals. The regional proxy war flew completely under our radar, since it didn't involve the USA, and it involved historical connections eg Turkey being the former colonial power (as the Ottoman empire) which we Americans were just ignorant about. 3) the Libyan democratic government didn't fail because new Arab democracies never have a chance, or anything like that; it failed because we set it free to be consumed by regional powers' interests. In conclusion: if we want to support a nascent democracy, we need to commit to stick around acting as training wheels for years, with the understanding that it still might fail. I'd support that, but if the American people writ large aren't prepared to support it, then maybe it's better not to get involved.
A few points that cemented Gaddafi’s demise: -Gaddafi wanted to make a currency backed by gold -Gaddafi was working on the Great Man-Made River project, which would’ve connected the sub-Libyan desert fresh water to the rest of Africa Pop quiz: which country was helping Gaddafi with this water project?
@@bingobongo1615of course a project like that would be old, do you know how long that would take. Also why did NATO forces need to bomb it if it were inconsequential.
This one was always a funny example of realpolitik to me: There are pictures of the SAME people who authorized bombing Libya in hand-shake photo-ops with Qaddafi a few years earlier. Sarkozy, Obama, etc. I mean, smiling for the camera doesn't mean they liked him or anything, but it always made wonder how fast the winds of geopolitics change.
I was there in 2003. Right at the start of the year as every second word said on CNN was WMD's and Iraq was invaded at the start of the year. It was a really interesting place to visit. The ancient remains of cities there are fantastic. The main ones like Leptus Magna have been preserved though all the last decades chaos thankfully. The standard of living for the Arab population was pretty decent. Interestingly the plane I flew into Tripoli in was full of American oil company execs who were going in to try and renegotiate oil business there. At the time the state department prohibited travel to Libya.
Gaddafi created a welfare state that worked. All Libyans owned a home , had free medical services , and free education. He created an irrigation system that was unique in the world , enabling the growth of food crops , which made his country self - sufficient. His real crime ? Amassing gold to create a strong Libyan currency ( the Golden Dinar ) , and attempting to sell Libyan oíl in exchange for gold , thereby dropping the US Dollar. The recent developments in the Sahel region , have come as a backlash to Western involvement. It's always the same pattern set up by the West : branding an independent head of state as a ' ruthless dictator ' , sowing discord in the streets by paying local thugs to stir up violence , and then intervening militarily ' in the name of freedom and democracy '. Unfortunately , since 1945 , US foreign policy is not decided in D.C. , but in Langley , Va.
Cappy, one thing you didn't mention (and which the wikipedia article also fails to mention), but which those of us who are old enough will remember, is that our European allies were the driving force in deciding to go after Gaddafi, and then on something like day 3 or so they started screaming for U.S. aid because some of them were already out of munitions, spare parts, etc. It was embarrassing ... and prophetic of things to come. Over a decade later when Russia launched their full-scale invasion of Ukraine, many of our NATO allies were still grossly underequipped with munitions and the other unsexy stuff that actually makes militaries function.
As an European only you Americans have interpreted that situation as "embarrassing". Unlike US, European Governments don't support Arms Manufacturers Lobby and of course "WAR" isn't in our genes as well so basically our Defence Budgets are mainly meant for our own protection. So it's completely normal that we don't have the necessary amount of munitions for this kind conflict it such wide scale as US had to invade Iraq, etc...
@@dilleralex As another European I can tell that you are spouting non-sense. Most European countries are plagued by corruption and incompetence, to the point they are not able to defend their own borders. The defense budges of most European countries are and afterthought at best, with the military being chronically underfunded, with most weapon manufacturers being paid billions of euros to sit on their asses and pretend to do nothing, while the European elites and the European press can feel morally superior. All the while all their strength and well being eroding slowly since they are not capable of enforcing anything outside the halls of their gilded towers.
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And the libyans were basically kidnapping and enslaving Italian fisherman.....they were not good cross sea neighbors. The U.S. also had an issue with people being kidnapped and enslaved or ransomed back.......to the halls of Montezuma to the seas of Tripoli......
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Watching this episode and hearing at one moment hearing about sensibilities to others, i thought if you could do me a solid, only if you want to. Cuz you got a huge reach, you could educate us about Puerto Rico and statehood and colonialism happening right now.. you aint gotta do nothing obviously, but just a cool episode would be awesome. Just to see others points of view in the comments.
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And it played out exactly how Gaddafi described it would
Yeah - and what a HUGE surprise this was.
Not.
Like in we had tons of examples in quite recent history (most of them started by the US...) where exactly the same scenario led to exactly the same results.
Not sure if the US got exactly what they wanted or if they are utterly incompetent and insane.
Gaddafi was a dictator and a monster.
Remember, he loved sharia law.
Gaddafi was the only one holding shit together until Obama went in to de-stabilize the region to create an Islamic state.
I often ask myself, beside all the pain and sorrow dictators like Gaddafi and Saddam Hussein brought over their country and the world, would there be overall less suffering with them instead of without them?
It seems to me that unfortunately some cultures need a heavy hand to maintain civilization.
@@Christian-lh7uxgaddaffi was an evil dictator, saddam wasnt
Enforcing a no-fly zone is a great euphemism for providing aerial support to one of the sides by doing pinpoint airstrikes on the other's strategic objects. It used to be called "joining the war" before the newspeak.
They even admitted supporting a specific side afterwards.
United States keeps thinking that the whole world is like South Amrica, that if they get or rid of the ruling leader they can put their own dictator puppet in place. As bad as the previous one but atleast (for now) alligned with the US.
And every time again they find out they lack context and fail to notice they are not the only player in countries outside of the American continents.
Um, a no-fly zone is just that, nothing flies in it. It's doesn't allow the nations enforcing it to bomb shot lmao
Like the way Israel did in Syria when the Syrian government was bombing ISIS rebels in Southern Syria. You cannot make this things up! How that will come to bite Israel is everyone's guess
"No-fly-zone" = Air superiority.
Yup
You mentioned the large amount of gold and silver Gaddafi amassed. As I understand it, that was to create a gold backed Dinar currency, as part of his greater Africa plan. Interestingly, it was about the time Gaddafi told oil buyers that he was willing to sell oil for gold, rather than USD (aka the petro-dollar), that the US suddenly became willing to "back" the rebellion with military force.
I'd heard it was him wanting an African "euro", he certainly wasn't persona non Grata when we took him down. Blair had been running around as Bush' poodle sucking up to him years before. Certainly was weird timing how the free world turned on a dime and got him out, caused us no end of grief doing it, in the UK we have Brexit and whining old people complaining about brown people near continuously because of the old slave routes being used as illegal immigration routes...
now we know why.
Tinfoil hat a bit tight?
I think the fumes from your MyPillow might be getting to you.
Correct
Small correction: the USS Enterprise (CVN-65) was not a Nimitz-class aircraft carrier. It was a unique class of its own that preceded the Nimitz-class.
great catch!
He doesn't have a clue WTF he's talking about anyway.
Another small correction, R2P was the UN world summit, not the Nato world summit. "The Responsibility to Protect populations from genocide, war crimes, crimes against humanity and ethnic cleansing has emerged as an important global principle since the adoption of the UN World Summit Outcome Document in 2005".
@@MauricioGarcia-yv2in Well one of the pair of you doesn't
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My money is on Chris Cappy being the one who DOES know
I caught that too. I believe Enterprise was basically a modified Kitty Hawk class for general layout, except for propulsion and that odd Island. You sound like a former bird-farm sailor as well.... CVA-64 and CV-61 for me.
Gaddafi’s Libya is a classic case of not knowing what you have until it’s gone. He has a complicated legacy, but I think he was a net positive
Lol. Lockerby
@@andrewgates8158 Yeah but I mean you could find something fucked up that every world leader has done. I meant overall, for the people of Libya.
Hahahaha positive?
Fuck no. Was he better then the power vacuum? Sure!
Doesn't mean his rule was "positive"
@@Lardum Yeah it does, his rule was better than the alternative (a power vacuum) which makes him positive in the context of that country
@@Lardum not really, even we on Tunisia were supportive of the libyans and Gaddafi, you don't know how it was under him besides the selective narrative you've been fed, I've been to Libya under his rule and everyone from rural areas to the main cities loved the guy, but no matter how much the CIA spreads seeds of a cout in countless countries, y'all are still following like sheep, the CIA ousted many very good elected and non elected leaders by using so many strategies, from Iran president, to the hundreds if not thousands of attempts in south amarica alone!!! the US ousted a government, killed millions just to secure banana exporting rights, for damn bananas they brought misery and terror upon a whole nation, you'd think they wouldn't do more for OIL!!????
"We came, we saw, he died." US (and EU by extension) foreign policy can be inconsistent at best and hypocritical at worst when it comes to dealing with authoritarian regimes. Iraq and Libya must go while Saudi Arabia and Egypt are "friends." IIRC Gaddafi was delisted as a state-sponsor of terrorism but that didn't help his prospects of survival.
Yes, it's also interesting that majority of the terrorists behind 9/11 were Saudis, yet Saudis faced no punishment while countries, that had nothing to do with it, were bombed
Excellent comment. I hope many people read it. There's so much more to the story, including the fact that North Africans and the French called this war, "Sarkozy's war".
The former French president was the galvanizing force for this war because he owed billions of dollars to Gaddafi. Britain was the other Force involved, both of them collectively convincing the Clinton State Department to pay them back for reluctantly getting involved in Iraq.
Don't forget that ISIS and Al Nusra were both fighting side-by-side with NATO troops. In the first two weeks of the war, a reported 40,000 civilians were killed.
If you pull up photographs of Tripoli before and after the war, the jewel of North Africa, you will see that this was radical punishment of the country, and not simply taking out a dictator.
Barry and Killary doing what they do best.. destabilizing the world.
I'm a bit late here, but I think @highres is right here. This was more French Foreign Policy than US. Gaddafi was also paying off debts to France from former French colonial rule, and encouraging an African Union that traded in Gold, rather than US Dollars or the Euro. Looking at the Countries in the Sahel region of Africa that are currently having coups, and throwing the French out, this theory does make a lot of sense.
The toppling of Gaddafi, by the CIA, has caused as much harm and misery as American invasion of Iraq. And it was done, for similar reason. GW Bush invaded Iraq when Saddam Hussein tried to sell Iraqi oil for Euros instead of for the Petrodollar. Similarly, Gaddafi wanted to created a Pan African Economic Bloc, using the Libyan dinar as a currency for international trade. American intervention is more about the preservation of the Petrodollar reserve currency status than anything else.
A lot of scholarship also attributes the Arab Spring to the rise of mobile Internet devices and social media. Totalitarianism that worked in the 1980s could not control information in a cell phone ecosystem.
Good point.
It is interesting that there was this few years of seemingly unregulated social media and mobile internet in dictatorships, before they realised how to shut it down, control it, and finally use it to their advantage (surveillance and social control).
Blah-blah-blah-blah, "Arabian spring" strangely has only taken part in USA opponent's countries.
For example, UAE and SA have no such things.
Strangely.
And yes, they kill him intentionaly.
I remember: "We came, we saw, he died.'"
I see you everywhere. We must have similar interests
In addition, American-backed social media that may (or may not) have had a significant amount of sentiment analysis manipulation by the CIA. For example, in Egypt videos showing police brutality were (allegedly) amplified in people's facebook feeds, while opinions trying to cool the situation were suppressed/given less visibility through AI.
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Ultimately, Gaddafi’s downfall came when he stated that his oil would be tied to the gold dinar instead of the petrodollar
It doesn't matter now, Petrodollar is now history. Gaddafi should have waited out till now for this to happen.
@@marvinfok65will never happen in the near future as the $$$$ holds all the cards and is stable and held in trillions by china, Japan etc so why would the most powerful country's cut of there nose to spite there face.
People keep talking about this magical petrodollar but no one can seem to explain what it is and how it works and why it's bad.
@@junfour 1 sec google search. Petrodollars are oil export revenues denominated in U.S. dollars.
That's a conspiracy theory spread by pan-arabists😅
A small clarification: common reaction to Saddam's execution on a religious holiday (Eid Al-Idha) made him a martyr in the eyes of most Sunni muslims and further made the US like butchers because of the timing of his execution. His prior crimes were slowly forgotten over time, though Shia muslims and Kurds still do not see him in a favourable light (understandably).
The Arab Spring started because of Ben Ali's actions (rigging elections, turning the country into a racket for his family to run, cracking down on protests and opposition, a fermenting economic crisis, rising unemployment... ) and the first seeds of it were planted in 2008 which later exploded in December 2010 until his ousting on January 14th 2011, following a street vendor burning himself in protest, not because of a sentiment birthed by Saddam's death.
The US was not involved at all in the exectution of Saddam, it was scrupulously left to the Iraqis. (Had the US beein involved the hanging would not have been as botched). Sunni Muslims would have made whatever they wanted to out of him anyway, but it was muslims that he tortured and abused for most of his life. The overthrow of Saddam showed that the old dictators who had held power for so long in the middle east could be toppled and whilst it wasn't the immediate cause it did give inspiration to those who wished to do similar things.
@@tomriley5790 I was talking about public perception among Sunni Muslims.
Nowadays Saddam is viewed as "the last leader in the Arab world" by many.
Funny that Suddam is a staunch Anti Communist since the Kurds are pro Communist
@@tomriley5790without US capture and sending him to Shias he wouldn’t have died the way he did. US did this knowing this would happen. It was trying to please shias which was a big mistake, another the US kept making. The shias went to Iran and Sunnis supported militants.
So, a fight between Irish brothers is a good analogy? Don't get involved? Sounds about right.
One simply does not invade a place called Chad and expect victory.
Is your name Chad ? Have you been invaded? 😂 sorry wake n bake n I swear that sounded funnier before it was written out in words .
Things Chad wins in: wars, women, STDs and death
The country itself kinda of looks like Gigachad
@@NewsThatMatterUsaput the joint down
@@MLHMODZ no buzz kill
This channel has grown so much over the last few years, well done Cappy!
I lived and studied in Tripoli for 1.5 years before having to evacuate in Feb2011. One or 2 minor mistakes pointed out by other commenters but overall fantastic analysis, thank you.
What were your thoughts of that society?
@@cyberftmuch better than it is now for sure
@@RAIDENCHEEKS whenever I speak with Africans who have been there they act like the streets were paved with gold.
@@cyberft it felt ljke it
feels that way when you compare it to today. free healthcare, cheap gas, low cost of living, and no hoardes of migrants sweeping through the country and evil slave traders taking advantage of them @@cyberft
I'm glad you're doing more historical current events content. Just a small correction. The toppling of Saddam was not likely the inspiration for the Arab Spring. The first spark and proximate inspiration so to speak came from the self-immolation of a street vendor in Tunisia that got them to oust their dictator and it rapidly spread from there because of social media.
Obama said it was because some cartoons the muslims didnt like.
I disagree - the toppling of Saddam showed that the "forever dictators" could be toppled, it wasn't the immediate cause but it did give inspiration to the idea which was then sparked by the events you describe.
That's a fairy tale.
@@tomriley5790fact is we'll never know tbh what started bc there were so many reasons at the time
@@tomriley5790 You're ignoring the "whys" of the Arab Spring. There were multiple causes but a major one was the fact that most of those dictatorships were various forms of Arab Socialist but did almost nothing to actually help the people. They wasted a ton of the oil revenue on pointless wars, military spending, and on corruption. They were _barely_ maintaining control of their countries and there was instability and increasing resentment/resistance before the Iraq War. Saddam even dealt with a coup attempt in 96 and there were numerous attacks and assassination attempts through the 90s and Saddam maintained a handful of body doubles to thwart attempts on his life, not to mention the fact he had a series of wars with the Kurdish population. The whole reason those dictators needed large militaries were due to all the instability in their countries that had existed and was largely due to colonialism, shitty borders, and ethnic/religious tensions. That's all without even getting into things like the increasing religious fanaticism/fundamentalism across the Muslim World or the cold war between Iran and Saudi Arabia and their funding of various radical groups that started waaay before 2003.
As a Libyan, I would like to tell everyone that a lot of false photos and information were spread in this video.
USA: We need to free Libyans.
Gaddafi: You just want my oil.
North Koreans: USA, why not free us.
USA: You don't have oil.
Facts
And North Korea got nukes nato not fucking with that this why they scared of Russia
@@youngnick1800facts hurt. No one cares about feelings.
More like they got nukes
@@wrestlinganime4life288 10 Nuke tipped ICBMs vs 1000 nuke Tipped ICBMs + Anti Missile Defense is not a competition. Reason is North Korea has China and now Russia openly backing them .
I actually had a long conversation with a libyan in spain in 2018, he said that propaganda was all over the universities but no one he knew had stood against gaddafi they were all foreign actors involved in all the protests, he spoke about how libyans had it better than even Spain, and that any sort of resentment held by libyans was based around not having kfc, nightclubs or mcdonalds but they stood by gaddaffi and many of his friends fought for him when this was going on.
One of the race/faction supported Gaddafi, others are against. So they can only describe what they feel while others rebelled
@@andycai1986 Not really. most people in libya were on the side of gaddafi. the ones against him where mostly us propagandists. libya wasn't nearly as fucked up before the war as us propaganda told you. and the current state of the country is the fault of the west, mainly the usa.
@@Noqtis if a nation is united, and everyone is focus on one unity, no other countries can make it become warzone and multiple factions. US Europe is one factor, while the Russian Iran another factor, basically Libya becomes proxy war nations, even now there's two states in Libya. Under Gaddafi of course it's better, without anyone to oppose him, under peace, at least growth can be there even if it's slow and hard under dictatorship.
@@andycai1986 Except it wasn't slow or hard under Gaddafi. They had oil wealth, and Gaddafi was competent enough an administrator to see that at least some of that wealth went to providing a decent baseline of infrastructure and benefits to the nation's inhabitants.
Thank you for the insightful comment. At a popular French bakery in Newport beach, Ca, the flow of employees are mostly North African and French with relatives in North Africa. They say exactly the same thing.
Gaddafi was the president of the African Union, and was right on the threshold to having a united front of oil payments in the gold dinar. It doesn't take too much to figure out what really was going on when one follows the money trail, particularly all those emanating from United states, France and Great Britain.
I have to be honest Mr. Purpose,
You guys have really started generating some great content. I love it.
if not the best military analysis channel anywhere on any platform.
i like the fact that all that he reported is verifiable but no one would talk about in detail.
This man's mamma named him Task Purpose??!? 😂😅
Exatly what Russians and Chinese said to Obama "you don't know what you are doing", he and Bush neocons caused entire region to fall into turnmoil and now ruled by radicals. Qaddafi was not radical.
Totally ignores the move towards African banking system and the
U.K.’s insistence he was overthrown.
That Bedouin saying at 10:10 describes the current conflict in Libya pretty well.
“I and my brother are against my cousin, I and my cousin are against the stranger.”
Sums up many post colonial states pretty well. Many groups united against the colonial government and often against the post-colonial government but then went at each others throats. There were even weird situations where communist and capitalist or monarchist groups united for a time.
I remember reading about the Libyan Civil War back in 2011. It was right when I had just started to pay attention to politics, and I remember it being a surprisingly big deal here in the US. If I remember correctly, then President Obama had to either ask for a declaration of war or cease US involvement after 90 days, and when that 90 days was up he basically said “too bad, not gonna change anything” and continued to order strikes without a declaration of war.
Zionists killed Gaddafi because he was mulling introducing the gold-backed African Dinar and he was telling the world about Israel being responsible for the 9/11 attacks. He was also killed, like Saddam, because he could have posed a future threat to Israel.
A war declaration isn't needed, congress merely needs to pass an "Authorization for use of military force" aka a AUMF. The US has not fought a formally declared war since Korea.
@@mrvwbug4423 Since WW2 actually. Which fun fact, wasn't the Dec 8th Declaration of War against Japan after the previous days attacks, no against Germany or Italy later that month (Dec 11th), but June 5th, 1942 Declarations of War were made by the US against Axis members Bulgaria, Hungary, and Romania. That was the last time the US formally declared War.
Did you not watch the video like at all, you know the whole part about the UN resolution and NATO having an agreement to protect civilians? Seriously.
Yes you are basically correct! Obama for his entire Presidency went far beyond his Constitutional Authority and Legalities, consistently. "Change" was never going to be for the betterment of America and We the People and we are seeing that play out in front of Our eyes now more than ever. He used to be the worst most damaging President We ever had until Biden somehow topped him in less than 2 years.
The US wanted Gaddafi's torture to be televised, and Libya to fail, to make an example of it, to send a message to other national leaders to not talk about freedom from the petro-dollar.
The mediterranean Sea is just such a history hot spot, it's amazing. Literally thousands of years of written history to be found around that area.
Why are you surprised that the Mediterranean region is originally the heart of the ancient world and was ruled by several countries, kingdoms and empires and several historical wars took place in it. How can there not be historical monuments in it when it is the source of ancient civilizations such as the Roman, Egyptian, Greek, Canaanite, Carthaginian and even Islamic civilizations?
Glad to see you making more content Chris. This job fits you. I enjoy your content. keep on keeping it real.
I'll keep doing it for a bit more
I like seeing something you can learn from. All these other fake ass people don't have the knowledge to put together good content. I hope you do it for awhile!
@@Taskandpurposea couple more weeks would be good. The world will be fine after that.😂
Pls let the 'bit' part be sarcasm please@@Taskandpurpose
@@Taskandpurposea lot more!
The CIA spring you should call it. Wasn’t nothing about that organic.
100% the truth. And yet some people fell for the US propganda. It's unfortunate how these things always play out.
Only the real ones know
It's become obvious that Twitter and other social media sites are basically an arm of the CIA. Gaddafi was opposed to the petrodollar and refused to allow federal reserve banks and the IMF into his country. For that he was overthrown. It's not a conspiracy theory the CIA has admitted to doing similar things in the past.
cia had nothing to do with it.
The whole thing was incited by America
Great episode ! I appreciate your insight and curiosity in geopolitics. Your work to understand and explain without agenda is refreshing.
You're a great content creator and communicator - thank you for your service (to the online community)
Gaddafi gave a speech where he accused Israel of playing a part in JFK's assassination. He wasn't scared of the jackals
That's part of why they didn't help him when he sent an envoy to Israel telling them ot use their diplomatic relationship with US to make NATO stop the bombing on Libya. ISRAEL quickly said NO.
Conspiracy
@@whyAzaminot a conspiracy you dolt
I mean he wasn’t scared of much because he was a delusional tyrannical dictator who believed he was untouchable (he was not 😆)
@@reece42069 the laughter emoji as a response has become a mark of respect to me. Anyone who laughs/scoffs at something without refuting it factually is making their own reward
I watched this video earlier today as I was boarding my flight and I just have to come back to it to leave a comment. This was a well done video Chris! Incredibly informative, very educational, and currently relevant. Well done on choosing this content but moreover, very well done on doing your homework. Good presentation. Your content has been on a steady incline, and though more serious now, it's significantly better as it progresses. Thank you for all your hard work and diligence.
I'm new to your channel. You're a natural at this......and I appreciate what you are teaching or reminding us of what is going on in history.
Our government had a specific reason and deciding factor for taking out Gadaffi
He advocated for the Arab world to adopt and solely accept the Gold Dinar for oil sales in place of the US controlled dollar, and this idea was gaining enough traction for our government to see it as a serious threat to our nation’s interests
This was the straw that broke the camels back for our nation’s relations with him, but wouldn’t be widely accepted as a valid reason to get rid of him
Thankfully for our government, he had a habit of doing all types of other stuff that we could claim as our reason to step in and help out the Libyan people
I’ll keep my personal feelings out of this though. I joined the military knowing that a variety of actions fit into defending our nation and it’s “interests”
Libya and Iraq are literally the main reasons why Iran and North Korea won't give up their nuclear weapons program. Gadaffi was terrible, but fairly OK by African standards, and he gave up his only leverage to be not overthrown and now Lybia is a total failed state. And Iraq fell just before.
Only half of the countries of the world are democracies so not every country needs to live by European and North American standards and then have the country (but really only the people) severely punished for it in terms of sanctions. France did not need to intervene and sanctions had made the people so poor that they could only resort to violence, and crime and get indoctrinated into extremist thinking.
We collectively seem to forget that the majority of the world was under dictatorships until less than 100 years ago. Not everyone can transition at the same time.
Sanctions because of democratic backsliding and the development of nuclear weapons should be stopped. France, the UK, South Africa and Israel were never punished. What the hell is the difference?
"Fairly okay for African standards". Welp. Except not really. Libya pissed off Egypt and the twos involved in a war in 1977. Mozambique & Tanzania were also in war with Libya & Uganda. Then Libya invaded Chad in 1978. Plus, even Gaddafi's Libya was interfering in foreign countries despite THOSE COUNTRIES NEVER INTERVENED in Libyan internal affairs.. e.g. Gaddafi supported the Shining Path rebels in Peru & Acehnese separatism movement in Indonesia.
As the reply above states. Lybia is one of those cases where the west does prety much everything right, but the goverment is still absolute garbage and manages to fuck things up to a impresive ammount. Srsly I don't understand how the west is blamed for Libya?
Srsly not everything is the fault of the west and ppl in Africa can be absolute monsters aswell.
On spot but middle is wrong, extremist thinking always existed much before him even taking power, read about Islamic movement of Algeria and other countries they wanted to restabalish a Islamic rule after demolishing of Ottoman Empire
I had a friend that was a veteran of the War between Libya and Chad, he was part of the French Foreign legion, the stories he told were horrifying. Having to kill hundreds or thousands of child soldiers and having to bury they in mass graves with bulldozers, it really messed him up.
Sorry, but your friend seems to messed up long before that happend.
Otherwise he would have considered to leave the battlefield instead of doing such horrible things.
I mean good for him that his conscience got involved at some point but a little late.
@@darthmaul8912 High horse.
@@Cyberpunker1088to not kill children? Really? I guess if it’s at a public school then it’s normal in your culture
France shows up on the continent more than people think. There is/was a string of french clients who could count on french security assistance.
@@darthmaul8912maybe ghadaffy should not used children. French did a good thing to protect Chad and then overturn him.
Easily my most watched channel on TH-cam my man! Always intrigued by your insights and I love the way you put together your content. 10/10
Something to keep in mind is that Libya didn't really exist before the Italians invaded. There were three provinces of the Ottomam Empire inhabited by various tribes that mostly ruled themselves and paid some tribute to the Sultan, then Italy arrived, gave everything the name the ancient Romans used for the coastal regions, and forced everyone together, and after the war the winners kept them all in the same arbitrary country.
Just like in Somalia, right down to the Italians showing up (but not the name, Rome never arrived there).
That is literally how the entire borders of the middle east and Africa were established. The modern borders of the ME and North Africa were arbitrarily dictated by european countries after the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, so they basically were "how does europe want to divy up their new colonies" Sub-saharan African borders are based around the borders of the european colonies in Africa. During the Ottoman era they largely left existing tribal/feudal borders alone as long as the local Emir or Sultan pledged loyalty and paid tribute to the Empire, and those that refused were simply crushed and placed directly under Ottoman control.
@@mrvwbug4423 I know. But somehow the video missed this about Libya.
And being Italian, and having read about how Italy was on track to establish the same kind of control over the three provinces in 1914 only to throw everything away because of a single embezzler, I decided to point it out.
Yeah, arbitrary ahistorical borders created by former colonial powers fuel a LOT of the discord we see in the world today.
@@big_bird8597 The physical place existed, sure... But it certainly wasn't called Libya. And a country is more than a piece of land.
@anthonybullard4441 what fights weren't over whatever borders existed anyway?
As jfk famously said “those who look to the past and the present are certain to miss the future”
From someone who had so much to hide I can see why he’d say that.
"We came, we saw, he died!" (cackling)
Every few years or so, the U.S. can somehow find a mad dictator somewhere in a resource rich country. The Arab Spring was a color revolution, Libya had one of the highest standards of living in Africa, and the Libyan government was planning to drop the U.S dollar for oil sales. By the way, I'm surprised you didn't mention the fact that slavery of African people is going strong in Libya after the U.S. intervention.
And funny how he didn’t mention how Killery Clinton laughed about how we went in and killed him. I believe the quote is “We came, we saw, he died.”
They left the country in ruins and look at it now. Is it a better place without him? I don’t think so.
Saddam tried to sell his oil in Euros before Iraq was invaded. The Petro-Dollar is a hell of a mandate.
Not like the task of finding a mad dictator is particularly difficult. Gaddafi met the criteria by far.
@juliankraus1011 True, it's not hard, especially when behind the scenes, you are the one that funding and arming them in the first place.
@@xiohntaylur9496 You are talking about Gaddafi here, right? After all, he armed and funded terrorist and rebel groups all around the globe for decades. Call it even.
It took about a year before I knew they got rid of Gadaffi because I was busy getting my masters. I was shocked because he was turning around. These strong men are ruthless but the middle east will be worse without them. Taking out Iraq, you get crazy Iran.
Maybe Hilary had it done to improve her chances in the election.
Best to stay out of these s***holes. Do business where you can, but let them sort themselves out.
@@robgrey6183 The issue with that is that lots of these countries become a hotbed for terrorism.
Oil oil oil.
Libya was worse with him. His rule is what caused the Libyan civil war.
Arab Spring was created by your beloved State Department because the world was unipolar, other superpowers were not anymore(Russia was weak).
Well done Cappy.
There is a much bigger story and picture that needs to be looked at to really make educated positions of why we are, where we are today in the world.
It’s all very complex,
And
It’s all connected.
Thanks for helping people understand these situations better.
Sounds like you understood it all. Can you tell me why the civil war was worse than we thought?
Great to watch you evolve into a wiser man as you and your team try to process complicated and often nuanced events into a digestible and reasonably accurate format for people who didn't take degrees in history and political science. Keep up the good work!
Any idea why the civil is worse than we thought? I made it all the way to the end and I don't get it.
You didn't mention the fact Gaddafi was going to change Africa to a single currency.
All africa with in into a single currency? That will take dacades to happen
No he wasn't. That was just one of Gaddafi's megalomaniacal fantasies. None of the other nations of Africa had any interest whatsoever in Gaddafi's "single currency".
@@Hunterylx It worried the French and it was Sarkozy that were concerned and pushed the destruction of Libya.
Thanks
Love your content brother. Keeping us updated and educated. Much love
thanks for watching really appreciate the support good sir . right back at ya
@@Taskandpurpose thank you. And I know you do. That's why you're the man!
@Taskandpurpose one thing this video could have delved into more was the actual reasons why conflict continued in Libya, and the foreign influence that made it happen. The proto-proxy conflict between Turkey & Qatar's Muslim brotherhood ideals vs. the KSA & UAE dominated faction which played out in many other countries, notably Syria, was one of the single biggest contributors to continued conflict from 2013-present. With the sides, and other outside powers like France & Russia, establishing relations with the factions they wanted to dominate Libyan politics, a political solution became less and less likely as the violence escalated. This era of Libya, while a result of the internationally recognized 2011 intervention, should be separated from the direct causes of the intervention as it is the result of very different political factionalism & also had some incredibly interesting dynamics to it. There's not many conflicts worldwide in the past decade where a NATO country (France) & Russian special forces have fought on the same side, but in Libya that was the case.
Overall a good assessment of the history leading to 2011, and of the intervention itself, but to just skip from 2011 to present without touching on the massive foreign involvement throughout that period ignores a lot of the reasons on why Libya is in the state it is today.
FYI, USS Enterprise CVN-65 was an Enterprise Class Carrier, not Nimitz, essentially a one off and in many ways testbed used By Navy to confirm or educate naval architects on how to build a nuclear powered aircraft carrier, that is why "She" was commissioned in 1960 and the learning phase was the following decade, followed by USS Nimitz joining the fleet in 1974, after that learning period. major differences being Enterprise had 8 reactors of the type in service on Submarines , Nimitz have 2 reactors designed specifically for a large Carrier sized vessel. This story would be worthy of telling in its own right.
thank you for the correction greatly appreciate you guys catching that error
Soon as I heard that, I kept thinking to myself, "Did he just say Enterprise was Nimitz class?" .😄 All good, shit happens. Great episode. 👍
@@jeffbeck8993 it's an average infrantryman not an average sailor...
I did not expect this level of honesty. This builds credibility.
Most Libyans aren't Bedouins (arab nomads), they are either sedentary arabized Berbers, Arab-Berber mixes (like Gaddafi, whose paternal line is Berber) who adopted arab or bedouin customs or just plain Berbers. Bedouins (and arabs) are also more geographically restricted to the eastern parts of Libya (Cyrenaica) and are the result of more recent migrations (last few centuries) from Egypt, Sudan and Arabia.
Man am from Syria and I live the absurd reality, all I want to say is that you are the most responsible voice from western point of view even if the reality may be different and difficult to have a clear idea,I respect your work I hope your voice of reasoning be heard
Interesting but avoided France and Italy issues. I'd like to hear more about the Gas Deal Khadafy made with Italy and France's disagreement with Italy over Libya issues. Libya is still a mess 10 years later.
Ghaddafi predicted this back in 2009, and even told Assad, after me is you.
Wow, he predicted that people would not appreciate repression? Shit, he the new Jesus
He predicted the collapse and civil wars. @@JJDelft
@@tetraxis3011 Of course you do if you're in his position lol, what are you gonna say? "If I get removed, everything will be better than it currently is!"
@@JJDelft
When Gaddafi reached the power in September 1969 Libya used to be occupied by five melitry bases. Two American in the western part of the country and two British in the eastern side the fifth was French in the south. Libyan oil used to be run by British and American companies. Libyan banks used to be owned by foreign banks. Over 100 thousands of Italians used to own and run Libyan economies in agriculture and Libyans used to work for them as slaves. The illiteracy rate was over 90% among Libyan population. According to the UN reports in 1967 Libya was threatened by genocide. Libyan did not have any schools and hospitals. They also used to live in tents or tin houses.
As soon as Gaddafi took over the equation changed. He closed all the military bases and nationalised the oil and banks sectors. He also kicked out all the Italians and authrised Libyans who used to work for them to own and run their businesses. Gaddafi brought Egyptian companies to build house school and hospitals for all Libyan in all over the country. He made Education is free and compulsory for all Libyans which made the illetracy changed from highest in the region to the lowest in the Arab world just in ten years of his governing. He also started the begist agricultural project by planting over 40 million trees in all over the country as well as the biggest water project in the world which is known as the Hand Made River. Polically Libya used to be devised into three regions before Gaddafi as soon as Gaddafi took over he united the nation in one state. Under Gaddafi revolution Libyans used to have things that Europeans and Americans do not have such as Free education and healthcare from the gradel to the grave . Libyans also have tax free system. The government provides free house with free electricity and gas for all Libyans. Those who have limited income they recieved support from the oil reserves every month or on annual bases.
You should enjoy such repression in our freedom loving " democracy "?
Are you really that ignorant?
@@JJDelft CAN'T MOSSAD THE ASSAD.
@7:00 little correction. The biggest reason geographic determinism fell out of favor is because it only looked at one aspect of a state to see how it would and has worked out. There were too many exceptions to the rule, nations in the past in europe with the same climate and resources being worse off than their next door neighbors ect.
It's still fairly common, but the issue is viewing it as a sole determinator in geopolitics. "Why Nations Fail" by Daron Acemoglu and James A. Robinson and "Prisoners of Geography" by Tim Marshall are both good books on the topic. But like you said there are tons of exceptions to the rule, some countries contract "Dutch Disease" due to discovering valuable resources while others dont like various petro states compared to Norway, some countries like Russia and Saudi Arabia become extremely militant and aggressive due to a lack of geographic defenses leaving them vulnerable while others like Botswana dont.
This video is way too objective.
Muammar Gaddafi was an absolute legend.
for the longest part i've been watching your channel and wondering what to take and what to leave since I lack the knowledge, and when it came to this subject I believe in your credibility and see that when you summarize you look for the bigger picture, I'm libyan and the war in 2020-2021 made me drop out of architecture school and pursue motion design and visual arts abroad, the US intervention while aimed to help, some other countries like Russia didn't like that and interveened in multiple ways, most obvious being the presence of wagnar and aiding the east to wage war on the west, thank you for doing honest work.
I once watched some Yale lecture where the lecturer claimed that former cabinet ministers were took part of 2011 uprisings. Do you know any of that, was there Gaddafi inner circle turning against him?
@@vaultsjan definitely some rode the wave, and after a few years thet went back to their routes and causing further turbulence for personal gain, when you have a nation that's oppressed for so long, most people who rise to power will abuse their power and over compensate for their lives, especially non well educated people, and sadly most people in power are elders or moved by elders, tribal mentality of some sorts, the badawi saying that Chris quoted is true
wagner came into existence after gaddafi was ousted.
@@yam2050 correct, by east wage war on the west, I meant the war led by Haftar under the title "alkarama" means dignity, as an attempt to control libya and kill his opposers, and Haftar only came into light after Gaddafi's demise, he was also captured and sent to the US in the Chad war
"US intervention aimed to help"
Good lord your guillible,
People like you are why Libya fell apart.
biggest lesson: literally nothing good ever comes from a us intervention and we should just mind our own business
Ww1, ww2, Korea, Ukraine???
hows Ukraine going?
@@QronoZ713 South Korea is propped up by US money and is still a shithole under all the glitz and glamour perpetuated by the chaebol, what are you on?
Moreover you should never intervene in a Islamic country conflict or issues no matter how much one side cry for international help ,they are always complicated clustered issues ranging back to historical conflict let them handle it themselves
@@QronoZ713WW2 honestly the Soviet did more of the heavy lifting
The Sahara desert was not a desert millions of years ago, or even 10K years ago. The lack of economic development in Africa has more to do with the lack of navigable rivers than anything else, as described by Thomas Sowell.
Worlds greatest economist
The Congo and Niger rivers are some of the largest navigable rivers in the world, what are you talking about?
@@intermaria The problem is that only *sections* of these rivers are navigable. Very close to 100% of the African continent is 200+ meters above sea level, the only exception being a very thin band along the coasts. So you can't take a boat down any river and then out to sea: there are huge waterfalls. I think the lower Nile is the only exception. There is absolutely nothing in Africa that is comparable to the sea-going navigability of the Rhine, Rhone, Volga, Mississippi, Amazon, Yangtze, or Murray. (Yeah, seriously, who ever heard of the Murray?)
(I'm no expert; I just watched a YT video on the subject. Who knows - maybe it was all lies...)
Great take for showing both sides , when I saw Gaddafi overthrown I knew that it probably was going to be bad for the people and probably worse without him, Grass isn't always greener on the other side
Grass is never green long in the middle east
I think this approach is like using a tank to get over the fence that separates but in the process destroying the grass
@@SsdistJejeactualy the sahara were green a few thousands years ago.
Lybia was fucked either way. Their choice was either Gadaffi's brutal dictatorship, or endless infighting by various rebel groups.
@@mrvwbug4423order is better than chaos, at least with him, there was a semblance of order.
Two key fact missing in this video is:
(1) NATO flooded the entire country with so much weapons that years 20:56 later, Libya was the major arm sellers in the black market.
(2) most of the rioters where not even from Libya, they where imported from Egypt and Tunisia.
Subsequently, the killing of Ghadafi spooked the Russia so much that they intervene against NATO in Syria.
the west was seriously offended with Russia for Saving Asad in Syria that project Ukraine was activated in full force and the sanctions where slapped on Russia with reckless abandon.
With Russia bugged down in Ukraine, project Syria and Iran will be activated (right now US carrier is closed to that vicinity)
there are two options:
1- a strong Dictator who Rules with an Iron fist and oppresses everyone who tries to take his throne.
2- Various factions and warlords with different international backers who fight each other for control.
first option results in less Immigration and more stability because the majority of people are not interested in politics and only want to go on their way while the opposition are the minority
second option results in more Immigration and less stability because when the minority ( who were kept in check by the big daddy ) fight each other they destroy cities and ruin lives and businesses so the majority start to move into other stable places looking for more stability
anyone who doesn't want immigrants flooding his country should go to his politicians and tell them to stop funding the opposition of other countries .
simple.
Why would there only be two options?
Wait, are you telling me that democracy is impossible in Africa?
Way to go, soft bigotry of low expectations.
@@franciscomap75I find it amazing that we, westerners, have reverted back to this 1950s and 60s notion that everyone wants democracy.
@@JJDelftbecause those are whats available haha.
@@JJDelft show me the third option
Top 3 favorite channels. Great work
I totally agree about the risk of mission creep.
Aside from that is the problem that it is not enough to win the war, you have to also win the peace. If the only plans you have is how to win the war then you are doomed to perpetual war because you have no plans fo peace. Winning a war gives you a strong position to win the peace, but it is not itself a sufficiency, and if you are not willing to go that extra step then you are doomed to getting 90% there and falling at the final hurdle.
Good point. The Marshall plan and Japanese economic miracle, and bretton-woods won us the peace after WW2. We have yet to replicate that success
Thank you for continuing to take on difficult and challenging subjects, Chris. I greatly respect the amazing work you do. Keep it up!
Its actually pretty simple. gaddafi was killed by French special forces and all main stream media told us it was some opposing factions or rebels.
@@hagestadnobody cares who whacked him as long as he was gone is all that matters the same with Saddam and it's two worthless sadistic sons.
Love this channel. Keep it up brother!
Removal of a leader that had decades of building the "Yes man" structure around himself will always lead to his minions clapping each other for power afterwards. Same happened in Iraq after Saddam was ousted.
Vacuum
Nice to see Chris getting more involved with geopolitics, instead of simple good guy vs. bad guy narratives. The US gets itself into so much trouble with these unintended consequences. The only group that has benefited from these consequences is the weapon manufacturers. Enough said.
Don't forget companies that enjoy cheap natural resources
And their shareholders…..if you’re not one of them, shame on you.
@@dioniscaraus6124 That's true! Multinational corporations win again!
"Unintended consequences" LOL! Oh yes, the US is so damn innocent. They clearly had no idea what they were doing. Guess you haven't ever heard of the Ledeen Doctrine.
@@dioniscaraus6124 They dont really benefit though, the dictatorships often keep prices low and war leads to economic and infrastructure damage resulting in higher prices. Look at how after most wars in the middle east oil prices spiked or how in wars like Ukraine food and fertilizer prices spiked. Looking at exports for many countries after the end of colonialism and many took years or decades to get production back up to prewar levels, even for basic things like food sometimes those countries took so long to recover that population/domestic demand rose so much they stopped being major exporters. Sometimes they ultimately go back down but more often the damage can take so long to repair that prices either dont drop back down at all or only drop to a level above the prewar level.
That's actually why countries will either back dictatorships or otherwise try to avert war: a stable dictatorship is a better trading partner than an unstable government or a warring country.
I love the comment section, it points out facts cappy missed accidentally or intentionally, points out new info and his mistakes.
Really loving your geopolitical analysis videos. Very well done, and fascinating.
Libya had a stable government the USA and nato is 100% responsible for what happens in Libya
Unpopular opinions : Libya and Iraq are now worse than they were under their dictatorship regimes. We all know that Gadafi and Husein were bad, but world is not black and white and the region is much worse and more unstable now, than it was under thair regime :(
You are naive if you believe a stable Libya and Iraq was ever part of the plan. Or that the invasions where because “mUh DiCtAtOr BaD”
Hey Cappy, there is one major aspect you didn’t factor in!
In 1974, under President Nixon, an arrangement was made with Saudi Arabia & OPEC that allowed the USA to sell high tech weapons systems to Saudi Arabia in exchange for them to allow ONLY US Dollars to be used to buy oil. This was and has been a major source of income to the US economy since then.
In the early 2000’s Saddam Hussein stated that he was going to start selling oil in local currencies. Iraq was found to have “weapons of mass destruction “ that needed dealing with ASAP ! Saddam is dead Iraq sells oil in dollars. In 2010’s Khadafi plans to have a new currency for all Africa, the golden dinar, and he stated that it would be used as a currency for buying/ selling oil. And as you demonstrated, Khadafi is quite dead due mainly to US intervention. Libya sells oil in US Dollars.
All American presidents & administrations have maintained this arrangement until Biden. With the start of the Russian invasion of Ukraine, one of the sanctions applied was the freezing of the Central Bank of Russia’s holdings of US Dollars. No one has ever done such a thing before! The nations of the world took notice, and one by one have started getting rid of dollar holdings, AND are buying / selling oil in local currencies. No one is ending up dead. Before 2020 80 % + nations traded dollars for oil, now it’s down to 44%. Notice inflation raising ?! Notice the buying power of the dollar going down ?! The worse is yet to become.
I am a Libyan citizen. Gaddafi is a good president because it is the Gaddafi era. Education is free, medicine is free, and food is considered free because it is supported by the state. It was also a strong and sovereign state. As for what happened during the revolution, it was propaganda. The beginning of the revolution was when fans left the club celebrating and were shot by unknown assailants. Then rumors spread that it was the government, and this did not happen. Because those who opened fire were from Qatar and some traitors, and they admitted it
True but the US was behind Qatar
Excellent run down on this. Keep up the good work
An important missing point is the role of the french president of the time, Nicolas Sarkozy. There is still some ongoing investigation, but he very probably got 50millions € illegaly from Gaddafi to finance his presidential campaign in 2007. Then in 2011, he was among the first to declare the NTC as legitimate, then he asked to Europe council for an aerial denial zone over Lybia, which was refused. Then, as the Arab league was supporting the same idea, France pushed for the same thing at the UN security council, where US decided to join in. There is a lot of details in the "Affaire Sarkozy-Kadhafi" wikipedia page, sadly the english version isn't as complete.
My personal opinion: Sarkozy, among some other economical advantages for France, wanted to ensure that his links to Gaddafi were closed and so he pushed to overthrow Gaddafi. That would also partly explain why Obama considers intervention in Libya as his biggest mistake, because in addition to the shitty situation it created in libya, he may have learn later that this intervention was greatly motivated by Sarkozy's personal interests.
Chad conflict was a civil war and Lybia and France supported opposing sides. Worth including in the script when talking about french intervention
No, the Chadian-Libyan conflict goes far beyond the civil war. The Toyota War, for instance, was an outright invasion, a war of aggresion as a result of territorial disputes.
Hi Chris, this is really good but you didnt cover the conflict between Libya and the US in the early eighties. What was that all about?
Thanks Cappy .Another great history review .Unbiased and straightforward!
Definitely not unbiased
Thank you. I grew up in Libya from the age of 3 until I was 17 (1946-1960), my father being the Commissioner of Trade and Supplies during the British administration of Tripolitania after the Second World War until 1951 when Libya became independent. As a family, we remained in Libya until 1960 when oil was discovered. And as I write this, I look at two watercolour paintings on my study wall of Tripoli Castle and a street in the old city suk.
The US/NATO disaster of 2011 confirms the priority to disband NATO, and closure of the 850 US military bases in Europe, Asia and Africa. Let's not forget Hillary Clinton's barbaric comment about Gaddafi's murder: "we came, we saw, he died, hah, hah, hah!", and the disasters that followed because of US/NATO military interventions in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Ukraine and now Palestine.
Always great videos, thank you!
Hope YT doesn't take it down again
A video of this nature about the Syrian conflict and it’s ongoing consequences would also be very welcome. This was a fantastic video by the way, to say the least. The mix of historical context and more modern events, while still looking at this in a constructive way to better understand when and how intervention can fail to achieve positive long term results, made for a great video.
I think the question of what to do when confronted between the choice of a violent dictator and a chaotic empty power vacuum is something that isn’t addressed nearly enough. We have to ask these questions to find ways to both secure the safety of innocent populations being oppressed and murdered while not allowed those same people to fall into a humanitarian disaster afterwards.
The toppling of Gaddafi, by the CIA, has caused as much harm and misery as American invasion of Iraq. And it was done, for similar reason. GW Bush invaded Iraq when Saddam Hussein tried to sell Iraqi oil for Euros instead of for the Petrodollar. Similarly, Gaddafi wanted to created a Pan African Economic Bloc, using the Libyan dinar as a currency for international trade. American intervention is more about the preservation of the Petrodollar reserve currency status than anything else.
Gadaffi threatened the US Dollar. He was wanting to create a stronger Africa and Libya was rich! It had 0 debt. No other African country has ever had this. Also Qatar was wanting to be the new Dubai and Libya had to go for that to happen
Toppling gaddafi was a catastrophe for Europe's demography.
Great vid!
Thanks for raising this history that really is rather recent. One aspect I am missing though, France was a lot more hawkish than the US in arguing for the military intervention. The French played a key role in making the intervention happen. Maybe that is one reason the US did not have much of a long term plan?
France has maintained a special relation with their former dominions. The french mission in Mali was another one that ran until Wagner recently replaced them. A lot of places were their clients, and could count on security assistance in exchange for economic access. France in turn gets uranium, gold etc. There is a lot of little french interventions.
You gotta mention the agreement between the Transitional National Council and France that said that France's companies could have 30% of Libya's reserves if France conducted strikes on Gaddafi's positions.
This is where a lot of things started going to shit both in Europe and Africa
Great content, your reporting is well balanced and unbiased.overrall great work chris
My question is: Does the US gov whoever is in charge ever think of future consequences?
Yes, they think how much profit the can make.
No. or, they are too stupid and lack the common sense to be able to understand what the consequences will be as a result of their actions.
They do, they just don't care. They didn't intervene in Libya because of the protest. They intervened because of the gold backed currency Gaddafi was going to implement and the Russian Naval base that was going to be constructed in Libya.
Yes. Which is why the United States is a Superpower, and is the strongest nation in Human history.
Our corrupt Congress and defense industry think only of personal profit.
Thank you. Very informative and even handed.
You always make great videos.
Great historical analysis Mr. Cappy!
Every thing you said matched exactly what I recall from that time.
Thank you!
Anthony
Recalling western propoganda you mean.
Same. Except: it's missing something I've learned subsequently, which is that the conflict after the fall of Gaddafi was not due (solely) to organic tensions. Early on, Russia supported a faction opposed to the internationally recognized government. Later, it became a proxy war between Russia and Turkey, with complications, eg France supporting Russia's man, Qatar getting involved.....This leads to at least three important points:
1) sometimes, things aren't as they look - and we should understand that without falling into conspiracy theories.
2) it isn't all about the USA and the locals. The regional proxy war flew completely under our radar, since it didn't involve the USA, and it involved historical connections eg Turkey being the former colonial power (as the Ottoman empire) which we Americans were just ignorant about.
3) the Libyan democratic government didn't fail because new Arab democracies never have a chance, or anything like that; it failed because we set it free to be consumed by regional powers' interests.
In conclusion: if we want to support a nascent democracy, we need to commit to stick around acting as training wheels for years, with the understanding that it still might fail. I'd support that, but if the American people writ large aren't prepared to support it, then maybe it's better not to get involved.
as a Libyan, the revolution was a huge mistake, geddafi was loosening up right before it happened. paving the way for his son Saif
A few points that cemented Gaddafi’s demise:
-Gaddafi wanted to make a currency backed by gold
-Gaddafi was working on the Great Man-Made River project, which would’ve connected the sub-Libyan desert fresh water to the rest of Africa
Pop quiz: which country was helping Gaddafi with this water project?
Tinfoil head alarm…
Both projects were quite old and he always brought them up with no chance of both ever happening…
@@bingobongo1615of course a project like that would be old, do you know how long that would take.
Also why did NATO forces need to bomb it if it were inconsequential.
Call Mr Beast.
You know thats just gaddafi propaganda right? He had been telling the same shit since the 60s😅
@@bingobongo1615yeah america never invades anyone for financial reasons as we all know right?
This one was always a funny example of realpolitik to me: There are pictures of the SAME people who authorized bombing Libya in hand-shake photo-ops with Qaddafi a few years earlier. Sarkozy, Obama, etc.
I mean, smiling for the camera doesn't mean they liked him or anything, but it always made wonder how fast the winds of geopolitics change.
I was there in 2003. Right at the start of the year as every second word said on CNN was WMD's and Iraq was invaded at the start of the year. It was a really interesting place to visit. The ancient remains of cities there are fantastic. The main ones like Leptus Magna have been preserved though all the last decades chaos thankfully. The standard of living for the Arab population was pretty decent. Interestingly the plane I flew into Tripoli in was full of American oil company execs who were going in to try and renegotiate oil business there. At the time the state department prohibited travel to Libya.
Gaddafi created a welfare state that worked.
All Libyans owned a home , had free medical services , and free education.
He created an irrigation system that was unique in the world , enabling the growth of food crops , which made his country self - sufficient.
His real crime ? Amassing gold to create a strong Libyan currency ( the Golden Dinar ) , and attempting to sell Libyan oíl in exchange for gold , thereby dropping the US Dollar.
The recent developments in the Sahel region , have come as a backlash to Western involvement.
It's always the same pattern set up by the West : branding an independent head of state as a ' ruthless dictator ' , sowing discord in the streets by paying local thugs to stir up violence , and then intervening militarily ' in the name of freedom and democracy '.
Unfortunately , since 1945 , US foreign policy is not decided in D.C. , but in Langley , Va.
That is just a lot of bollocks, all these BS about lybians living the high life is just propaganda
We broke it and refused to fix it...
Excellent work!
Cappy, one thing you didn't mention (and which the wikipedia article also fails to mention), but which those of us who are old enough will remember, is that our European allies were the driving force in deciding to go after Gaddafi, and then on something like day 3 or so they started screaming for U.S. aid because some of them were already out of munitions, spare parts, etc. It was embarrassing ... and prophetic of things to come. Over a decade later when Russia launched their full-scale invasion of Ukraine, many of our NATO allies were still grossly underequipped with munitions and the other unsexy stuff that actually makes militaries function.
As an European only you Americans have interpreted that situation as "embarrassing". Unlike US, European Governments don't support Arms Manufacturers Lobby and of course "WAR" isn't in our genes as well so basically our Defence Budgets are mainly meant for our own protection. So it's completely normal that we don't have the necessary amount of munitions for this kind conflict it such wide scale as US had to invade Iraq, etc...
@@dilleralex As another European I can tell that you are spouting non-sense. Most European countries are plagued by corruption and incompetence, to the point they are not able to defend their own borders. The defense budges of most European countries are and afterthought at best, with the military being chronically underfunded, with most weapon manufacturers being paid billions of euros to sit on their asses and pretend to do nothing, while the European elites and the European press can feel morally superior. All the while all their strength and well being eroding slowly since they are not capable of enforcing anything outside the halls of their gilded towers.
@@dilleralexThen don't be warmongers?
Libya also supplied the Plutonium for Doc and Marty to go Back to the Future.
Cap.
Interesting and informative, thank you