Can the US Navy Rebuild their Fleet?
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- The United States and China are in the middle of one of history's largest naval arms races right now. In 2020 the Chinese Navy surpassed the US in the overall number of warships for the first time…on the other hand the US fleet is more advanced and has far more tonnage. But US Naval leadership has seen the writing on the wall and attempted to kick the Military industrial complex back into high gear. What new warships, weapons and tactics will they acquire over the next decade and will it be the correct ones needed to keep China in check?
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Written by: Chris Cappy and Diego Aceituno
Edited by: Maksym
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If we want to understand the US Navy’s plan to modernize, it is worth looking at its two greatest influences. Alfred Mahan was a United States naval officer, and strategist who wrote the 1890 book "The Influence of Sea Power upon History," it’s basically the navy bible now. In it Mahan argued that control of maritime trade routes were crucial for the success of a global power. He recommended maintaining naval bases and refueling logistics stations around the world. He pointed out that Control of strategic maritime choke points have had a decisive impact on the outcome of wars throughout history all the way back to 400 BC. We can easily see today how his theories were extremely influential on the Navy.
Then there was Sir Julian Corbett who was a British Naval historian and strategist who published “some principles of maritime strategy” in 1911 its like the Torah of the Navy no that analogy doesn’t make any sense. Corbett was in some ways the counterpoint to Mahan; he argued for avoiding decisive battles engaging in raids on the enemy instead. Critics of Mahan believed he had an Overemphasis on large heavily armed Battleships. They believed a smaller more agile Navy could be more effective at sea denial and disrupting larger fleets through asymmetrical means. Sir Corbett placed more emphasis on limited warfare and coordinating with the other military branches, even making use of diplomacy more. The Naval problems facing Mahan and Corbat over a hundred years ago are many of the same faced today. Their works have influenced national Naval policies around the world for over a hundred years.
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Distributed maritime operations is the new kid on the block and I'm here for it. The Navy will have to downsize over the next few years in order to increase their size over the next 30 years. What do you think of the US Navy's modernizaiton plan with? I feel like I've been fooled before with the Zumwalt and Littoral Combat Ship, will the Conestellation class be different? Follow for updates: instagram.com/cappyarmy | twitter.com/Cappyarmy
China using carriers running off regular fuel ⛽ was a huge mistake. When we use nuclear power and can run almost endlessly except for supplies like food. We can easily get other countries not to allow them to fuel at other countries ports which would make them return to China to fuel or fuel ships that would make easy targets. Add in they've made a lot of enemies in Asia with them trying to take everyone exclusive economic zones for fishing and oil drilling. Like the Philippines, Vietnam, India, Japan and others. They're making a lot more enemies in their own region which will bite them later.
The Constellation class is kind of a turd. Most Western European destroyer/frigate designs are badly underarmed for peer conflicts. They just don’t have the missile capacity.
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Nuclear carriers still have a massive fuel requirement. Aircraft burn millions of gallons a week when in heavy combat operations.
Ukraine in the Black Sea conclusively has proven: Big ships are obsolete.
The Zumwalt needs NAMMO rounds in 8” or larger guns. This would provide 100+ mile range with mass produced inexpensive artillery. Just because the railgun went bust doesn’t mean a different gun technology didn’t fill that void.
From what I see the Queen Elizabeth Class carriers with CATOBAR installed would be a great option. You could get 4+ QEC’s for 1 Ford Class. Not every carrier needs to be nuke powered. The USMC really loved the QEC carriers when they deployed on them.
As a machinist that's been doing this for over a decade now starting when I was 18 the skilled labor shortage is very very real. I've been the youngest man in the shop or shipyard by decades. Most of the old timers that taught me are either retired, going to retire or dead. I get constant unsolicited job offers because there are so few younger guys that have the necessary experience. I try to pass down the knowledge I've obtained but it's not enough. There needs to be a resurgence of trade schools and less emphasis put on college degrees. I make a very good living with no college degree and going back to school now the hands on work experience is invaluable to the academic setting. Having gone to a vocational high school companies like general dynamics and Lockheed would come and give presentations telling us and the welders that once we turned 18 to apply and we'd be almost guaranteed a job. It's a very powerful thing to have on a resume. They know that they don't have to train you from square one and that you're not going to retire for the next 40 years.
I totally agree with you on trades being a dying artform. I graduated from a vocational high school decades ago and learned more by experience than most now days. It's awesome to see younger tradesmen coming up thru the ranks. Wish they would push that harder in the high schools. These kids I see in the construction field today have no clue about anything and don't seem to care. They are only there for a paycheck. Keep learning everything you can young man. Old men are usually the best teachers and have the best techniques.
"skilled labor shortage is very very real"
AND that is why this whole war with China is utter bullshit and just a way for the MIC to get more cash from congress.
@@mikewithers299if he’s young not sure what you’ll say about me at 29, I’m a Brit over here in the UK and I completely agree but generally believe it to be more than a trades issue. Everyone I’ve ever worked with just don’t give a f about quality or pride in work they’re just here for a paycheck.
It’s a problem of character I think people are lost. But I have noticed now as compared to when I was a child that the respect for trades has increased significantly, possibly because people are discovering it’s harder and harder to find a good tradesman that isn’t busy, discovering the reality of a poor one the hard way. Also have much love to my American brothers over there glad to hear something that resonates 🇬🇧 🇺🇸 ✊
What trades would you suggest?
@@venivinivinci any of the trades. Electricians, plumbers, brick masons, carpenters, welders all can garner great pay if you put the work in to get yourself to a high standard good luck 👍
7:13 Still takes longer to make GTA VI then it is to build a nuclear carrier
😂 good one
One thats seaworthy?
*Cries in starcitizen player* 😭
@@rashad4333soon you'll be able to buy a IRL warship with the amount of money that's been dumped into that game
The US Navy's whole modernization effort will be finished before we get Half-Life 3. 😭
A lot of high schools stop teaching basic carpentry, welding and other basic manufacturing skills...technology took hold with computers...we need the basics back...💯👍🇺🇸
My theory is that a lot of schools don't want to handle the liability of kids getting injured in shop class. So they just quietly stopped offering them.
On the bright side, a high school near me offers a home-building/general contractor type class. I forget what they call it, but they go to an actual work site and get hands-on learning of each phase of construction.
I agree 👍👍 I think vocational schools should be on the same level as college if not higher. I went to college it was okay but I know plenty of other people who did a lot better without. Higher education has many avenues and they should all be supported
The reason why these programs are gone is because of funding. There is no money. I witnessed this first hand and now with my kids. Computers are cheaper than paying a master tradesman and technicians to maintain and fund these trade classes.
stop union busting and pay skilled laborers better. Simple supply and demand
Reminds me of modern jiujitsu, a lot of people want to learn weird, crazy, flashy sequences while neglecting the basics. You can do all the cool flashy stuff AFTER you know the basics inside and out. This country has neglected the basics for decades, encouraging everyone to go into collage for degrees flooded with applicants for the same job. Its completely unsustainable
Props for talking about the skilled labor shortage and Diego to explaining it so clearly. US used to be the factory of the world, and not a lot of people realize that that ship has sailed and that getting back would require radical changes to education, social security and economics of labor.
This. It would be a threat to certain positions of power. You would need free and easily accessible education and practical training. Corporations would have to commit to long term staff development. There would have to be state guarantees to jobs. Unions would definitely become a lot more powerful. A lot of people won't want this.
The balance between labour and management was broken.
You could work hard and be skilled and your factory would shut and your job sent overseas so that a small number of men would get much richer
We have the most skilled engineers in the world, and the best educated, but we don't have the skilled manufacturers here anymore. Like Nvidia invents the greatest chips in the world by far, but we still need Taiwan to build them for us.
@@amazin7006 a risk area for USA is that number of home grown engineers and scientists is shrinking and they need more and more imported ones. Good thing they still want to come. Good thing that China and Russia are unattractive destinations.
Put simply, we won WWII with our industry. We later almost entirely moved our industry to a country that's openly aggressive toward us, and simultaneously skyrocketed their economy and war capabilities. Lunacy!
Diego did well. He was very well spoken. And he has a natural "radio" voice!
Read that as "radio face" for a moment and was like, dude why be so mean :D
Is it just me or did his audio and video not match up?
the British did it long before the US! the Spanish too, Portuguese or even the Venetian, not something new!
Formal petition for more Deigo side content time?
@@metamaxis Diego is nice but he is no Cappy :)
Maybe I’m just biased but as a US Submariner, our boats are so far ahead of everyone else that seeing issues like “China building more ships than us” just makes me chuckle if I’m honest. During war games with our own ships we need to make an ungodly amount of noise to give even our most advanced ships a chance of detecting us and that’s with there active sonar. Don’t get me wrong, visual force projection is important, but if were talking about no hands tied proper naval combat. The US dominates to an ungodly degree with subs alone. There are some great modern sub stories online that give a fraction of our unclassified capabilities if anyone’s curious. Great video btw.
Army combat engineer and later MP national guard. I don't know much about all Navy stuff but one thing I was told years ago is; it's not how many boats we have but how much tonnage those boats can move? So China can name every fishing boat and kayak a military ship but how much tonnage can it move is the real question.
We do have a huge submarine advantage in tee,s of quality. We don’t have enough hulls, though.
I mean, there are definitely Other Subs on par with US subs, but they're going to be on our side rather than against us. So it's generally a moot point.
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Red watch, watch dived, Patrol Quiet state.
What movie are we watching?
Crimson Tide?....You bewdy!
“Filled with water” is apparently a Chinese saying for using lower quality materials in order to save money.
Chinese people have never heard of idioms
also... liquid fuel that goes into those missiles are only pumped in right before launch. so them saying the missiles have water in them makes no sense. just more western propaganda
Yes, it could be the Chinese idiom ”掺水”。 The literal translation is mixing with water. But it means to use substandard ingredient (e.g., water) to substitute required ingredient (e.g., alcohol) to fool customers.
Lol😂😂
Lol
Nice to hear from the guys behind the curtains! Thanks Diego!!
"We are short on labor and we are paying extremely well" where were those word when i didn't know what to do with my life after school!
We go to uni for like 10 more years when someone who knows how to weld with a short course on welding probably make as much as someone who went to uni for 10 years.
Manual Labour still pays less than what you can get with jobs you need to go to Uni for. But you're more likely to get and keep a job. Sadly lots of people focus on the potential pay more and just assume they will be part of the group that gets it and doesn't have to get a job as a cashier at a fast food chain because they have no other qualification.
And it's not like I can blame the young people for that, they were raised to shoot for the stars by a generation that still believes in stuff like the American Dream. And it's that generation that teaches that manual labour and crafts and trades are not worth pursuing and you're a disappointment if you do.
no lmao. in noworld will welders make more than educated people, in general. not even limiting to STEM
@@smoke5985 dunno. Used to work with a guy who became a plasma welder. 300k/year + in Canada in the oil patch. Pipelines mostly. That was in 2005.
@Gaehhn coming from a blue collar worker for last 10 years. Sure I make better money than most college grads in my area but I'm 30 with bad joints and ruined body. Buddy did 9 years in concrete just had his second back surgery at 31. We pay in other ways than money for that pay. We all agree use your brain not your body you'll live longer and happier.
Yeah, as a Canadian kid I chose that route. In 2007. Industry fell apart in 2008. That was the quickest way to flip that script. 4000 or some welders laid off Christmas day, and that was from one company. I was just thinking that the welders in Alberta's welding pool would love to have a second industry to fall back on when oil does the inevitable roller coaster dive to unemployment.
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This was superb, as usual. Thank you
Thank you, good info
Doesn't matter how many ships the Navy has if they don't have the personnel to crew them.
Or if politics are cowards..
It is likely that we will see the Selective Service ordered to re-start the draft. There has been a bill sitting in congress that would include women in the Selective Service but of course no one wants to vote on it today, but if they order the Selective Service to reinstate the draft, my guess is that bill will be passed and signed by whoever the President is at that time.
You mean the woke crowd won't sign up and the conservatives purged from the military over the last 4 years has made the people who actually form the fighting force (Conservative Southerners) not want to join? How surprising.
I surely thought the trans lesbians with the two moms were going to sign up after that recruiting ad.
China has the same problem.
Australia has just announced 6 new " large optionally-crewed surface vessels" with 32 VLS type 42
Imagine 6 platforms aimlessly roaming the oceans, with 32 tomahawk missiles on board, with someone in an AC room in Sydney with controls LOL
As one of those Ship contractors I love I get to hear good analysis from my average infantry dude! Kudos! With lives of 40 years, maintenance is as much or more of an issue as emergent repairs are even more "custom" and cannot be scripted or automated
That is one issue I have noticed with ships, it seems like every one is different, weak configuration management. I thought airplanes were bad!
Great to hear from one of the actual ship contractors ! Thanks man
@Taskandpurpose 40 year **cough*except*LCS*cough**, but seriously, new Construction is seen as easy/automated, but we end up loving our classes (Nimitz, Tyco, Arleigh for me) as you love your Bradleys, maybe. So proper mention/accuracy from you was great. Keep it up man.
@@SpookyEng1 some of these Aircraft companies are now in the ship building business. Northrup Grumman, a merging of two military aircraft companies are now involved in building Navy ships.
Lockheed Martin (Aircraft companies) teamed up with General Dynamics to those infamous LCS ships.
@@Distalled Could they get another 5-8 years on the ships that they are decommissioning? Do we need to slow the exits while we are increasing the build rate?
There is no labor shortage for skilled manufacturing
There is a PAY SHORTAGE for skilled workers.
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The capability to reload these VLS cells is very important as well. It is very difficult to achieve in any sea state via cranes. Ships essentially must return to port to reload. Developing the capability to reload them more quickly would shift the balance of firepower drastically. In the Napoleonic era, technology allowing higher rates of fire of muskets and rifles were closely guarded state secrets of strategic importance.
"Its a fool for a ship to fight a fort"! Still holds true today
The biggest issue is that China's VLS cells carry hypersonic missile, giving them bigger strike radius.
@@henli-rw5dw need solid proof they have a viable accurate hypersonic VLS onboard their ships.
Exactly. If we can manage to make that work somehow at sea and not have to all the way back home that would be a game changer. What they need is a way to dock that ship at sea. What you need is something like the blue marlin or dockwise vanguard possibly.
@@henli-rw5dw It takes a lot of energy to move quickly so hypersonics don't fit into standard VLS cells, they need an ICBM sized launcher.
Hypersonics also move so quickly they turn the air into plasma making communication or sensing impossible.
China "claims" to have figured out how to get a comms signal through plasma, but has provided no actual evidence of a test flight or deployable system that can do so.
I'm glad you mentioned the corruption in the us procurement process. Any time I see problems with a foreign power (Russia, China) I wonder if we have a similar problem. After all, human nature is human nature.
We do! It’s just different here
It’s not as well known but corruption is terrible
@@Taskandpurpose I am reminded of the old adage: we have the finest Congress money can buy 🙂
They all have different types of corruption. Russian corruption: take half the money, buy a yacht, make a half quality product. Chinese corruption: random flaws in the product, but higher ups are afraid to look bad so they sweep it under the rug and you get an inferior product. US corruption: charge 2x more than it's worth, charge $50,000 for a wrench and coffee maker, deliver a good product.
Kelly Johnson's unspoken rule: Never do Business with the NAVY.
I’m glad I’ve been a long time subscriber to this channel, I am glad I can always get a fr trustable pragmatic, logical, and a view based in experience from a veteran. Helps me a lot in my own forming of opinions, thank you man.
Thank you
Sir Corbets picture you use in the video is actually Reinhart Scheer.
I was wondering about that
great catch thank you ! sometimes we mix photos up thanks for the correction good sir
@@Taskandpurpose Since we are making corrections, the submarine animation is not a US Navy boat, looks Russian.
@@Taskandpurpose 10:51 didn't't know you played Nebulous fleet command. Lol, games made by US navy personnel showing up in your vids is pretty funny
I greatly appreciate how you integrate force capability with strategy, tactics, design, acquisition, training, logistics, industrial capacity, and manpower issues.
Could not have expressed it better.
yeah, i love military defense industry issues, this is the first channel that actually knows anything about it
@@mmoarchives2542 If he actually knew anything about it, he would start the vid with Nelson's quote "A ship's a fool to fight a fort". Oh well, only Americans could be so dense to believe they can win a war against China...in China.
Thanks for watching and for your support! I appreciate it greatly
Very well done.
I love how the Industrial Complex is now advertising before the start of movies in cinemas for Columbia Class sub shipbuilders and now, the shipyard in Marinette WI cannot find enough workers to actually start building the new FFGs. “Naval Planning is Build Planning” is especially insightful when you cannot find the people to actually build the damn things.
They could if they paid enough, but they don't. The job listing for Marinette have no pay info listed except for advanced jobs like foreman and welders with 5+ years of journeyman experience. When pay isn't listed, it's because it's crap. NSC is offering $22-26/hr (which means $22/hr) for pipefitters with 5 years experience, 2 of which have to be in shipbuilding, when the national average rate for pipefitters with _under 2 years_ experience is $25.63. But they can't get enough workers for some unexplained reason! (insert shocked Pikachu face pic)
“If they’re wrong, it’s difficult to turn things round mid-development”
LCS anyone? 🤣🤣🤣
FCS playa FCS 🤣
Remember BRAC ? There are now fewer shipyards that repair, maintain, or even build naval ships. As the need for eighty SSN’s…not even remotely possible. There are SSNs tied up waiting for years to be worked on. Now. Plus Australia is expected to receive 3-5 Virginia class boats
Speaking for Australia, part of that deal is we are to fund a new slipway in Norfolk to help you double the production capability of Submarines, and also sending over 100's of staff looking to be trained. Those staff aren't starting from scratch either. We've built our own Destroyers and Frigates, plus Austal, that has a Plant in Alabama, is a Majority Australian owned company that has built our own new fleet of Patrol Boats, along with boats for Jordan and Bahrain, and many ships for Civilian Markets, so we're not complete novices.
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What’s a SSN?
Supersonic submarine nukes?
@@user-yh1nm1vy3i SSN is the classification code for Submersible Ship Nuclear or in otherwards a nuclear submarine.
@@tsubadaikhan6332half the ships Austal built for the navy, have hulls cracking in half
Thank you for having Diego on the show, what a smart guy!
Great Show
Thanks for spending the time to create and share this content awareness 🙏🏾
Thanks for sharing Cappy
Incredibly informative. As good as I've seen on modern military capabilities.
The Army uses the acronym METT-TC (Mission Enemy Terrain Troops Time Civilians) as a means of accounting for operational concerns. Designing a naval force similarly contemplated makes complete sense to me.
its awesome to see how far the content has come man. Keep up the good work.
Super analysis! Thank you!
Great vid
Sub Brief had terrific piece about downfall of maintenance / repair shipyard numbers and capacity.
Idk, maybe if they offered weldors decent wages when we left schooling, we wouldn't have been picked up by other trades.
A construction company will pay 4x what they'll pay a weldor, better working conditions too.
My local college has 100+ “diversity officers”, all paid 200k+, all paid by the State, and yet they don’t have to do any actual work.
And yet, people expect young men to break their backs in shipyards for half that? Not going to happen. Maybe they can get their diversity officers to build the fleet.
@jakemocci3953 what college do you go to?
My wife is a boiler maker (I know she’s a bad ass) and during her schooling there were these sharks who tried getting young kids to sign up for underwater welding. You make like $250k for working like 9-10 months of the year but usually away from home. But her instructor said many of those guys don’t live past 60 not to mention it’s just plain dangerous diving that deep in general. But anyway she went straight into a boiler maker apprentice ship and by the time I was done with college getting my masters degree in Mech Eng she was already putting away well over $100k which is a bit more than I make now with 6 years of schooling with a degree that isn’t complete nonsense like gender studies or something. My parents pushed me to go to college but I’m letting my kids go into the trades if they want to that’s a well paying career not to mention you learn useful skills for life in general like tying 30 kinds knots, building things to spec, and dealing with assholes 😂
@@jakemocci3953your college pays out $20M a year to diversity officers really lol?
@@jakemocci3953 please name this school bcuz I don't believe those numbers for a second
Excellent presentation, thanks.
I worked at the Portsmouth Naval Shipyard in Maine for many years. Over a decade in the welding shop and also involved with the Union. I totally understand the lack of skilled laborers in the ship building and maintaining field. Have been involved with decommissioning, overhauls and maintenance work on Submarines.
Good Video, very informative.
It's also piss poor management. PNSH just had three senior managers fired because the shipyard was doing so poorly.
@@Kriss_L When? what codes?
@@devildawgpryde4764 Within the past month or so. Codes 300, 105.3, 105.2.
Well done Analysis.
Thanks! That was very educational!
You were made to make these videos. Only channel that breaks down each layer to give a complete view of each situation.
As someone who works in a steel mill that makes plate used in these ships, I can confirm skilled labor is needed for all levels of production. We are struggling to find more employees to fill the gaps and learn from the old timers before they retire.
Your video would have really helped when I took Naval Science in college during my NROTC training.
The US Navy spread around while the PLAN is concentrated around China reminds me of the Anglo-German Naval Arms race of the early 1900s. The Royal Navy (superpower of the time) was spread around the world while the German Fleet was concentrated in the North Sea, right next to Britain.
And while the Germans could bring a credible force to bear, against the royal navy in the north sea, it was still vastly inferior both in numbers and in quality. Never able to challenge the blockade, only goad the royal navy into hopefully making a mistake which might bring the odds from comical down to just unfair.
While a fair comparison i think a closer comparison would be japan in the interwar period, though that would still not be perfect.
In the age of hypersonic missiles, size of fleet is not the most important. Its your stock pile of hypersonic missiles. Enough to overwhelm your enemies missile defence system.
A more apt comparison is that China is the German & Austro-Hungarian empires combined, and the US & Allies are akin to the Allied forces facing them. The Chinese peoples’ food, fuel, and exports also rely heavily on international waterway *easily controlled* by her economic & military rivals.
The PLAN isn’t just concentrated off China’s shores anymore. They’re in the worst position for needing international terrorism & piracy to be held in check, so they deploy from China, to Singapore, Pakistan, down to the Horn of Africa, and around to Liberia.
Thats not counting the ships ready to interdict any N.Korean attempt to slow/sink shipping from the Americas. The Americas are their biggest export market overall; while *Canada alone provides the daily Protein & Calories needs for +400 million PRC Citizens, and a little under 60% of their combined fertilizer market*
@@bertholdvonzahringen6799 I think your comparison is the closest of the 2 examples, but with China being much closer to 1938-1941 Japanese empire era. As they require so much fertilizer, food, fuel, and a steady stream of foreign currency to prop up their overly leveraged internal economy. (Evergrande is just the tip of the iceberg for their heavily indebted & cash poor construction market)
@@bertholdvonzahringen6799fair point that. I would say, the world is a smaller place now and allies should be able to rely on each other cover there backs. the US does have a large fleet but with the advent of all these marine drones(ukraine have mastered these), I would see that this could reduce the amount of tonnage in the combat area. A whole new warfare is brewing I fear.
That Corbet fellow looks quite a lot like a ww1 German Admiral you may have heard of.
Yes indeed! A fellow named Hipper, if I'm not mistaken. Who's doing his photo
file editing?
@@toranagachan3402
It does look like him
@@toranagachan3402 as a German i can assure you it is the famous Admiral Scheer
@@toranagachan3402 Jfc, it’s admiral scheer, he led the German battlefleet at Jutland. You know, the second largest naval battle in world history. The fact that this yew didn’t know that, leads me to believe he has no idea what he’s talking about.
@@jakemocci3953cappy? I doubt he’s a expert on early 20th century naval battles
I served and retired after 22yrs from the United States Navy in 2019. I left way before I had to because I was burned out honestly, but still felt like we needed to do more as a whole toward future proofing ourselves, however, many upper echelon leaders were and still most likely are hesitant to propose and actually implement "extreme" modernization systems. In my opinion, the US military services as a whole have to start focusing more toward drone warfare and increased cyber warfare/information warfare dominance. We have seen how effective both of those types of warfare are nowadays, we just need to figure out the defense of EMP and other various ECM attacks that could possibly counter our efforts. Additionally, remember, the information we have access to is just a small part of what the United States militaries are actually capable of when "urgency" or national security actually come into play. Finally, this was a decent generalization of a possible modernization path, nice job. Semper Fortis
Edit: Yes, the US Navy is and always will be prepared for China... Hooyah
Love all the talk about future new missles and systems that we still haven’t actually fielded nor produced in any large numbers. Absolute Vaporwave and magic accounting for capability we don’t actually have.
Cappy, you’ve been on fire lately. Keep it up!
As "suggested" by "someone" from all the way up ... either the Pentagon, DoD or State Dept .
China bashing month...to coincide with the Chinese New Year .
That picture of “Sir Corbett” is German Admiral Reinhard Scheer.
The animation at 10:50 is of Nebulous: Fleet Command...
Notably a *spaceship* game with cold war ship vibes.
Also he's launching SGM-1s, a missile body noteably unsuited for offensive use lmao
thanks for the correction !
I was wondering why he had a crown on his sleeve rather than a loop. Wrong navy. I see. Thanks
I was just going to comment on that. Good eye!
Somebody is watching. Good Catch.
You are doing a Great Job
When I was in High SchoolIn The 60's we had several shop classes from Auto, Wood & Metal Shops & Those Classes Were Always Full
exactly alot of schools took all those classes out years ago and now we wonder how we got here thankfully my HS didnt and i got to take those
Damn good explanation and references! Tnx!
Just remember, to a military strategist the terms "limited war" & "unlimited war" have 2 very specific definitions. "Unlimited" refers to a war where you are attempting a regime change with overt military force. "Limited" refers to the wars that are not attempting a regime change as the end goal.
When the U$ orchestrate naval blockade against China ... and at the same time...attacks their navy and airforce ... This is already an "unlimited war".
Finally a decent, non-biased, and truthful video from this channel.
More tonnage doesn’t mean more advanced, nor does it mean more capabilities anymore. It was the case back then, when more tonnage meant a bigger ship with more crew, more guns, more capability. But today, a ship that is 4500 tons does the same, if not more capable, than a ship that was 10’000 tons heavy. Advancements in electronics and the reduction in their size means that a weapon system, for example a naval gun and its radar, that was 14 tons heavy is now 4 tons heavy. These same advancements in electronics means more computing and a lesser need for manned systems, thus less crew members. For the same task and purpose, ships went from 1000 crews members to 200 crew members, etc.
Nice NEBULOUS: FLEET COMMAND clip. Very cool. :)
Awesome to see Mahan get some love!
Had the US Navy Ghost fleet cruise past my place recently, they were pretty cool!
Cappy! Good job tackling the history of navel strategy and infrastructure logistics!
May I suggest you also introduce the ideas of Colonel John Boyd to your subs.
Congratulations on the channel, dude, your content is amazing!
Hooah !
I love how u tried to sound Italian with the ship name. 😂
I wouldn’t be able to resist either.
I have been critical of this videos mangling of historical sources but I do also have some positive things to say about it. My co-collaborator in a book on the 1914 Battle of Coronel is an intelligence officer in the Australian Navy and has been trying for a couple of years to turn my attention towards the developing situation with China to see what, if anything, my talent at spotting obscure links that others miss may unearth. He succeeded at engaging my attention a couple of weeks back and I have been looking at the Pacific situation a lot more closely. I watched this Task & Purpose video when it first came out a month ago as something of only passing interest, but now, after taking a deeper dive into the topics covered, re-watching this video today has greatly helped to clarify some key aspects of the situation and helped me gain a better understanding of how screwed the US Alliance is.
So in reply to the topics covered in this video I would say that the USN plans are too little, too late. For various reasons, China, as a functioning nation, is currently in its death throes. It has very nearly reached the point where China absolutely needs to go to war to conquer the resources (human, mineral, food etc.) it needs to survive (in its current form that is). Those resources are not to be found in Taiwan and I believe that everyone looking at Taiwan as a flashpoint is in for a major surprise. I suspect that the Chinese will attempt, by a large scale coup de main operation, to simultaneously invade and seize the island nations to its south, from the Philippine’s, through Indonesia, Australia, and onto New Zealand. Ambitious yes, but China needs to take all these island nations to secure the necessary resources for its own survival whilst simultaneously pre-empting an attritional island hopping campaign like that which destroyed Japan in WW2. If China is successful, then all the pre-war US Alliance planning centred around trade choke points will be obsoleted as China will hold and control the strategic geography of the South Pacific that would have otherwise allowed the US Alliance to strangle her into submission in fairly short order. The bane of all military planning is that the enemy gets a vote and I would say that the US Alliance is too myopically focused on Taiwan to properly realise that China knows what they plan to do and has an obvious option to nullify the key foundations of the US Alliance general war plan. Also, China has no other choice (other than fall apart) but to strike southward to ensure her continued existence by relieving her internal problems with external conquest of what she desperately needs. China’s military does not appear to have the strategic reach to accomplish the coup de main I outlined above quite yet, but it is clear that they are making strong efforts to acquire it in the very near future. I would expect war to occur prior to 2030 as I can’t see China surviving internal pressures beyond that date.
I looked up the USN’s (I believe obsolete already) 30 year plan and was surprised to see the reduction in the carrier fleet to only 9 vessels. This video did explain that as it made it clear to me that the USN is transitioning to missiles and drones in lieu of manned aircraft. However, the video also suggested that the USN is expecting the war to go nuclear as that is the only reason the Navy would be considering de-concentrating their naval forces. Concentration is considered a fundamental strategic pillar of naval power (as per Mahan and Vice-Admiral Philip Colomb anyway) and, in a conventional war, single ships, or small groups of ships, will be overwhelmed by the missile barrage a more concentrated naval force can send against them. Small ships, such as frigates, simply cannot carry the defensive systems larger ships can and if dispersed they are very vulnerable. China’s navy may not have the tonnage of the USN but the number of available hulls to act as missile carriers makes them currently dominant. The fact that the USN is running down its large ships to emphasise a larger number of smaller ships actually indicates that the USN is trying to create a navy similar to China’s (ironically, China is trying to go in the other direction).
I think that the strategy the US Alliance is adopting is very flawed and doomed to fail and I am starting to suspect that there has been a fundamental misunderstanding of Corbett’s theories which are currently in vogue. Virtually everyone views Corbett as a singular strategist working alone. This is not the case. Corbett was a civilian lawyer who became a naval analyst and historian at a rather mature age. Within a few years of starting his new career he formed a partnership with Admiral Sir John (Jacky) Fisher. For various reasons, the Royal Navy’s ability to think strategically virtually died out during the 1890’s leaving Fisher as the sole repository of the plans and theories of the strategic thinkers that served in the Royal Navy during the mid to late 19th century and it was through his partnership with Fisher that Corbett had access to the strategic thinking of the great strategic admirals such as Milne and Hornby. This helped Corbett refine his theories. Admittedly, I have only begun my research into Corbett but I have been studying on Fisher for more than a decade now and I understand his strategic beliefs which are also those of Corbett. That understanding is what is making me suspect that there was an error in understanding what Corbett was advocating.
However, one thing is clear, we are the generation cursed to be living in “interesting times”.
Great channel
Feel like a comented about building Frems in the Litoral Combat ship video! This is exactly the correct strat, glad to see the real military is ahead of us arm chair admirals!
Whoever is doing the animations, graphics, and editing for your videos is doing a stellar job. Edit: Sorry, gunt speak. Camra dude is fucking outstanding.
Commander Alfred Mayhem😎 The first superhero.
0:45 I think this Alfred Mahan guy was mentioned in my eastern European history book for some reason somehow
Perun did a fantastic video on the PLA and it's competition with the US. I'd highly recommend it as it's the only military channel I'd recommend apart from this one!
Oh I know him! That powerpoint player!
Love Rerun’s work great stuff
Add William Spaniel to that list
@@NmaeUnavailablesigh Line. On. Maps.
🇨🇳 has an overated army,navy and everything. Not saying they would not do damage. And they have not had extensive military experience. Just saying. 🇷🇺 has been 🇨🇳 mentor. Extrapolating from 🇷🇺 experience in 🇺🇦 🤷🏿♂️. I think we on solid ground or ice
Well done Cappy
Did some one mentioned "Ships"? Call S. Korea, anytime~❤
In my opinion it's a good strategy. FREMMs are hands down the best frigates available on the market. Sink a big cruiser, you deal a lot of damage. But when you have to deal with big ships AND small, yet extremely modern and capable frigates, that's where you start realizing that you're screwed either way.
Type 26 are better ASW
Are they? The ESSM Sparrow missiles are equivalent to the Sea Ceptors and are quad packed, which means the Constellation carries more anti air missiles.
Type 26: 24 cell Mk41VLS + 24 SeaCeptors
Constellation: 32 Cell Mk41 (24 cells plus 8 cells for 32 quad packed essm sparrows)
AND 16 Naval Strike Missiles.
AND 16 Naval Strike Missiles.
Type 26 is quieter with an advanced electric drive with more advanced Anti Submarine Warfare capabilities and more room for adaptable multi mission bay areas.
Constellations are better general purpose units whilst the Hunter class have very advanced radars with the Aegis combat system.
@@user-fd6rr4iz9m how would you know which is quieter? The type 26 doesn’t exist yet. They’re being built now.
Edit: Neither exist yet.
I can read, @@WilliamSanderson-zh9dq
Great breakdown
Sun Tzu v Clausewitz, but on water. Well done.
If the Ukraine Russia war shows us anything it's that the battlefield is changing quickly with drone warfare that absolutely needs to be taken into account. I also agree that our trades crafts need a resurgence.
good animation
Not to nitpick here, but ... talking about FREMM, showing a Perry class, talking about frigates and showing destroyers, some british and german ships thrown in the mix...
He doesn’t know what he’s talking about. I have never heard of Sir Julian Corbett, but I can sure recognize that that isn’t him, it’s Admiral Scheer.
Also when talking about Sir Julian Corbett he showed a picture of Admiral Reinhard Scheer
@@jakemocci3953 i mean i don't know who does the editing.
@@jakemocci3953 Corbett existed, i checked, and he was a navy strategist like Mahan.
its stock footage
A wise man once said “don’t touch Americas boats” they tend to go on a bit of a rampage when anyone touches their boats.
It's not a war crime, the first time.
@@blackbuttecruizr Would you intercept me? I'd intercept me
Corny. If the US and China get involved it will be the US intervening, not China. This isn’t WW2.
i would argue for fast tracking an arsenal ship. one withy 100 - 150 vertical launch tubes. it would have minamal radar, electronics, but maximum data link. it's only function would to , on demand, launch the called for missel, which would then be taken over by the calling ageis system or AWACS link.
this ship would be assigned to a carrier battle group, and there would be 3 per carrier group. one would be with the group, one would be close in reserve and one would be in port reloading,/stand by. this would give the fleet, when the program is compleat, an additional 1100 to 1650 additional launch tubes, quite a boost, and make an over whelming swarm attack much more difficult.
That's a good idea!
I would love to see the Perry class with half size of the crew newer engines plus make it a missle ship.
For a channel with 1.45+ million subscriptions, it still feels like a channel made to be down to earth for us average folk
That's exactly what's going on in US.
My man........
WHEW.....as an Iraq./Afghanistan war(s) era veteran who proudly served 12 years in the US Navy, I am extremely impressed by the level of accuracy and detail you've achieved in this relatively brief--albeit surprisingly thorough & expansive in scope--new Task and Purpose production. Not only is the research solid and evidently in-depth, but it is also undeniably relevant--past, present & likely future as well. It adds important historic context and in my humble opinion, it adds significantly to your overall analysis. Smart, straightforward, informative and freakishly well made!
Thanks again, Cappy....it is a pleasure to follow you and watch you grow as a content creator and dare I say.....up and coming to journalist???
No? Too far......? 🤔
Ahhh, c'mon....the admiration is genuine, sir. Not bad for a former average infantryman.😉
Keep up the great work. May you enjoy longevity and awesome relevancy, on par with the great Navies of the World.⚓. "UNDERESTIMATE US AT YOUR OWN RISK & PERIL." 🇺🇸 SEMPER FIDELIS 🔱
Cheers
@ 5:09 This is an image of the German commander at the Battle of Jutland, Reinhard Scheer.
Can yall do a video in how rhe US military is updating the medical corps of the branches its an interesting topic yall make awaome videos thankyou, and more importantly thankyou for your service to our great natuon🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Correction: The Constellation class will not be able to launch Tomahawk cruise missiles. It only has the MK 41 tactical length VLS. Congress inquired about having the strike length VLS installed instead, but was told it would take a major redesign of the ship. For now at least, the first ships of the class will be limited to ESSM, SM 2, and ASROC. It will also carry 16 Naval Strike Missiles.
Thanks for the correction ! I appreciate the feedback, I’ll have to look more into this aspect of the constellation class
It's too bad they won't v
Be able to carry the longer range missiles, but hopefully Congress doesn't mandate it as that would cause long delays and cost over-runs. And, frigates don't need to do everything
They should do LRASM instead of NSM and SM-6 should be available.
In a pinch, it might be feasible to emulate the Russian practice of attaching launch tubes to the sides of the ship, if it can be done without causing roll stability issues. I don't really like doing that; the Ukrainians have discovered that detonating the side-mounted missiles with a drone attack is an easy way to sink those ships. The weight of armored tubes could make the ship prone to capsizing, so that's probably not workable either. Thus, this would be a desperation measure, or something for a one-off operation rather than standard practice.
@@deplorablebrian2023there are barely enough LRASMs for the air wings as is, besides carriers are inherent to US naval doctrine, there will always be enough LRASMs in any battlespace because there’s a carriers worth of launching platforms not ever very far away.
What nobody talks about is that so many of the shipbuilders are shorthanded because of how they treat their workers.
Haha shipyards aren’t a flower patch so snowflakes need not apply but they pay very well from my experience
@@Dog.soldier1950it depends where. NASCO in San Diego used to pay really low because they always had labor coming over the border. Heard the same about shipyards in Florida too. But as you go further North I’ve heard it gets better.
@@Dog.soldier1950 the complaints I heard were not from snowflakes, but rather people who have self respect.
I'm sorry to hear that you value money so much that you're willing to endure outright abuse in order to get it.
@@Dog.soldier1950 Expecting to be treated well by an employer is weak liberal propaganda right?! All hail the corporate overlords! May my sacrifice make them rich, so they can lobby politicians against my own interests!
@@able34bravo37😂 All of a sudden not wanting bad deals and getting ripped off means people are “snowflakes”. Gotta love the human brain for being capable of mental gymnastics like that.
I work for an industrial contractor and ship building isn’t the only industry hurt by the lack of skilled labor. We are also struggling to find skilled labor to fill pipe fitter and welders positions in the private sector and our standards are not nearly as stringent as naval ones. Another point no one talks about is the skilled labor that is available is commanding an extremely high rate due the the shortage thus increasing cost’s across the board.
That is the risk, compared to China who has no shortage because they are the largest shipbuilder in general.
We need to tap into our allies like Korea and Japan who also have significant shipbuilding capabilities.
Youre at your best here.
Thanks!
You bet good sir!
1.45 m subs, Good for you Cappy !!!
kinda wished our navy have that many 😂
👍👏👏👏 Tou wold have some very interesting questions for some very interesting guest’s if you would start inviting experts on your show
Your spoke of the number of VLTs I found out that some of this number is on ships that have never been real service. Or the ships are in storage
10:43 Dimitri "Flip ya Off"
Fantastic name!
Meet my Russian driver. His name is Pickup Andropoff.
One of the things that is seldom mentioned is that the PRC equivalent to the Coast Guard uses ships identical to the frigates in its navy. These vessels are usually unmentioned and thereby underestimates their fleet size.
Is that not basically the same for the US Coastguard. Frigates in White paint?
@@Yandarval i suggest that you check the number of large US Coast Guard vessels compared to theirs. I also suggest that you check, the type pf operations they undertake. I will agree that they serve an auxiliary role in wartime; but do not do so in peacetime.
As an Italian and a former Fincantieri Group employee, I IMPLORE you to correct your pronunciation of “Fincantieri” at 10:00. You mangled it beyond any recognition 😅
For every other aspect, great job as usual!
Senior It’s A Spaghettiii !
10:36 putting an FPV drone right in that frigate missile bay in modern combat
Diego is a natural.
Friday is mandatory sea shanty day.
You call that swabbing?
The problem with drones is that those manufacturers are used to building them and getting the money very quickly. IN short a quick turn around. The Navy is a giant bureaucracy, and they're used to doing things much slower.