Darkshard:"Sorceress, we are approaching the undead horde. What are your orders?" Sorceress:*takes a slow sip of a cup writing "Steve's tears" Darkshard:"Sorceress?" Sorceress:*puts down the cup and lights a cigarette "Nuke 'em"
7:47 general cant fit between the bats, needs one inch on each side... 15:35+23:35 Both times either he was rolling to little dice or he was hitting better 27:31+39:09 you dont have invocation you have gaze of nagash / one time you could have used the other one/ the other Both tryed to use it 31:35 there are no 1/2 inch in warhammer, so you round op for movement, os High elves can move 3 inch back 36:56 - if you move out of a unit i count as being moved - so he can't move out first if you want them facing that way, you need to swift reform, then move him out - but then you missed the Roll
How to play vampires... Step 1. Protect your big main undead units as much as possible (in this case the crypt ghouls take top priority followed by the mortis engine) Step 2. Move forward as much as possible while attempting to follow Step 1. Step 3. Spam any spell which mitigates damage, replenishes lost units, or creates a new undead unit. Step 4. Win with numbers and raw melee damage. It really is that simple. Vampires that lose their main unit tend to lose the match unless the opponent literally has nothing else after barely defeating the main unit and the vampires player still somehow has a few cavalry/skirmishers to throw into the remainder of the enemies flanks. This game was lost by playing too defensive and an unfortunate early comet/ poor vampire spell phases. (In most cases if you aren't moving your undead infantry their full distance toward the enemy every turn, unless your in range to be charged/setting up a counter charge... you're playing them wrong)
This might seem like a silly question, but please take into account that i don't actually play, nor know the full rules of warhammer (short of what i know from watching these vids). Would it not behoove a player, who is facing an opponent without any shooting, to keep their mage away from their own giant blob of expensive units? Knowing full well that he'd be casting comet with a lot of dice, he must be aware of the potential for 'perils', and thus, a large blast template on his caster. Could he not, say, cast his comet with his mage in relative safety, then join her to a unit afterwards? What are the benefits of putting his own infantry in harms way so early vs the potential hazards of having his mage isolated early-on. I realize the potential for friendly fire is relative, but it occurs to me that i've seen that kind of thing more than a few times.
Mostly habit I guess. But certain spells can target single models out, and flyers/fast cav can charge single models easily as well. Personally I prefer to keep my wisards out of unit whenever it is safe to do.
I see - so even if there's another unit blocking LoS to say a magic missile type spell, the enemy could still target your wizard? I get the idea of 'hiding' your characters in big units of fodder - but it seems to be that you're right - it's a habit, and not necessarily optimal across all situations.
That didn't seem like a lot of fun for the Vampire Counts player, he's a much better sport than I would have been! Obviously some of it is just bad luck (his poor magic phases), but other than that what could he have done differently?
Many of his movements were poor... Vampire Counts NEED to close on their opponent ASAP to avoid taking needless range damage. His best chance at winning was actually to ignore the comet and to move forward in force using the lions to either flank or as meat shields to deny them they initial charge. That said he was still fighting and uphill battle but potentially could have eaten a round or 2 of ranged fire, a comet hit which would have been better than... well never really being able to engage them directly.
NEVER let the opponent dictate your movements. By the time the second comet came down he would've already been battling most of the Dark elf units if he just carried on with his plan
invocation cast by necromancer at 27:19 after he was reduced to lv 1 and only had gaze of nargesh left. Didnt change the game in any way as was scrolled. Then used again at 39:30 and regrows some crypt ghouls and gains a wound back
Great game, glad to see some Druuchi doing some work once more. However... Rules you got wrong: 35:00 Frenzy units *must always overrun,* regardless of what turn of combat it is. They simply don't have a choice in the matter (and yes, you CAN overrun after the turn you charged into combat). So those Witch Elves should most definitely have run forward and been irrelevant instead of turning to face the zombies. Also... I'm not sure why you were casting Invocation with your necromancer, since the only spell he had left was Gaze of Nagash.
14:08 not so much a rule you got wrong, but the dice luka re-rolled was a 1 so only 8 zombies should have died. also 27:18 you couldn't have casted the invocation with your necromancer as you lost it at 20:30 and only had gaze of nagash. although it wouldn't have really impacted the game as the signs were showing of the vampire's demise. still a great game, and great to see that huge comet dropping. XD
Just as a comment on playing VC, Steve like you said you need to be a lot more aggressive. I think your biggest mistake was on the first turn when you dodged the Comet by moving backwards, you should have tried to avoid it by moving forwards. With no shooting you really can't afford to be moving backwards or even not be moving as fast as you can forwards.
im kinda checking warhammer(from total war) and i thought 9th age was the active game now, why does the biggest channel for warhammer play 8th? Is 8th still a thing and which has more players guys?
Witch Elves have 3 attacks in the front rank (1 base+paired weapons+frenzy), so they do get 20 attacks in a unit that is 5 wide (21 with the champion).
Darkshard:"Sorceress, we are approaching the undead horde. What are your orders?"
Sorceress:*takes a slow sip of a cup writing "Steve's tears"
Darkshard:"Sorceress?"
Sorceress:*puts down the cup and lights a cigarette
"Nuke 'em"
- "He has no armour?"
- "No, Its a bat"
thanks for keeping this alive guys
Shoulda just ignored the comets Steve. Don't let the opponent dictate your actions...
That was such a comet dominated game OMG... You did forget your regen in the fight against the witch-elves.
rules you got wrong: at 39:15 ~ you cast invocation but pretty sure you only had gaze of nagash left after your earlier miscast
Patrick Ordos I think he used the ghoul king they're both level 1
7:47 general cant fit between the bats, needs one inch on each side...
15:35+23:35 Both times either he was rolling to little dice or he was hitting better
27:31+39:09 you dont have invocation you have gaze of nagash / one time you could have used the other one/ the other Both tryed to use it
31:35 there are no 1/2 inch in warhammer, so you round op for movement, os High elves can move 3 inch back
36:56 - if you move out of a unit i count as being moved - so he can't move out first if you want them facing that way, you need to swift reform, then move him out - but then you missed the Roll
nice dark Eldar haha! (we know what you meant though..)
maybe in 20 years we will get this back
How to play vampires...
Step 1. Protect your big main undead units as much as possible (in this case the crypt ghouls take top priority followed by the mortis engine)
Step 2. Move forward as much as possible while attempting to follow Step 1.
Step 3. Spam any spell which mitigates damage, replenishes lost units, or creates a new undead unit.
Step 4. Win with numbers and raw melee damage.
It really is that simple. Vampires that lose their main unit tend to lose the match unless the opponent literally has nothing else after barely defeating the main unit and the vampires player still somehow has a few cavalry/skirmishers to throw into the remainder of the enemies flanks.
This game was lost by playing too defensive and an unfortunate early comet/ poor vampire spell phases. (In most cases if you aren't moving your undead infantry their full distance toward the enemy every turn, unless your in range to be charged/setting up a counter charge... you're playing them wrong)
I have been waiting for 25 minutes for that second comet to explode!!! >_
This might seem like a silly question, but please take into account that i don't actually play, nor know the full rules of warhammer (short of what i know from watching these vids).
Would it not behoove a player, who is facing an opponent without any shooting, to keep their mage away from their own giant blob of expensive units? Knowing full well that he'd be casting comet with a lot of dice, he must be aware of the potential for 'perils', and thus, a large blast template on his caster. Could he not, say, cast his comet with his mage in relative safety, then join her to a unit afterwards? What are the benefits of putting his own infantry in harms way so early vs the potential hazards of having his mage isolated early-on. I realize the potential for friendly fire is relative, but it occurs to me that i've seen that kind of thing more than a few times.
Mostly habit I guess. But certain spells can target single models out, and flyers/fast cav can charge single models easily as well. Personally I prefer to keep my wisards out of unit whenever it is safe to do.
I see - so even if there's another unit blocking LoS to say a magic missile type spell, the enemy could still target your wizard? I get the idea of 'hiding' your characters in big units of fodder - but it seems to be that you're right - it's a habit, and not necessarily optimal across all situations.
Hate the way you go back because you forgot things !
That didn't seem like a lot of fun for the Vampire Counts player, he's a much better sport than I would have been! Obviously some of it is just bad luck (his poor magic phases), but other than that what could he have done differently?
Many of his movements were poor... Vampire Counts NEED to close on their opponent ASAP to avoid taking needless range damage. His best chance at winning was actually to ignore the comet and to move forward in force using the lions to either flank or as meat shields to deny them they initial charge.
That said he was still fighting and uphill battle but potentially could have eaten a round or 2 of ranged fire, a comet hit which would have been better than... well never really being able to engage them directly.
NEVER let the opponent dictate your movements. By the time the second comet came down he would've already been battling most of the Dark elf units if he just carried on with his plan
invocation cast by necromancer at 27:19 after he was reduced to lv 1 and only had gaze of nargesh left. Didnt change the game in any way as was scrolled. Then used again at 39:30 and regrows some crypt ghouls and gains a wound back
Well the Ghoul King had the spell as well, I think Steve just didn't make it clear which was casting.
Comet: The Game
I was wondering why you are not using the 9th age rules ? It seems to fix a lot of things that were wrong with 8th edition !
Great game, glad to see some Druuchi doing some work once more. However...
Rules you got wrong: 35:00 Frenzy units *must always overrun,* regardless of what turn of combat it is. They simply don't have a choice in the matter (and yes, you CAN overrun after the turn you charged into combat). So those Witch Elves should most definitely have run forward and been irrelevant instead of turning to face the zombies.
Also... I'm not sure why you were casting Invocation with your necromancer, since the only spell he had left was Gaze of Nagash.
Dang, I'd love to see these undead duke it in AoS.
The invocation at minute 39... was that from the ghoul king? Your other magic caster had lost the spell by then, yeah?
Area of effect for Comet of Casandora is 2D6", you do not add the number on the marker to the dice roll. So, max area of effect is 24" and min is 4".
Rules you got wrong. Riders vs ghost. Do you really take fear test every turn? Thought it was until you passed it?
Keep forgetting them regens Steve :)
I think he just checked out after his great magic phases
14:08 not so much a rule you got wrong, but the dice luka re-rolled was a 1 so only 8 zombies should have died. also 27:18 you couldn't have casted the invocation with your necromancer as you lost it at 20:30 and only had gaze of nagash. although it wouldn't have really impacted the game as the signs were showing of the vampire's demise. still a great game, and great to see that huge comet dropping. XD
judgementine Didn't he cast it with his ghoul king tho?
Rules you Got Wrong: At 14:11, there was another one in the roll, 8 zombies would die, not 9.
In the combat around 29:40 when you took damage on the Morghast Harbingers, you forgot your Regen save from the Mortis Engine.
Never mind that, you caught it.
Just as a comment on playing VC, Steve like you said you need to be a lot more aggressive. I think your biggest mistake was on the first turn when you dodged the Comet by moving backwards, you should have tried to avoid it by moving forwards. With no shooting you really can't afford to be moving backwards or even not be moving as fast as you can forwards.
dark elder would clean up on vampirecounts LOL you can never have enough murder elves!! I love them!!
lol that guy has the phyrexia symbol tatooed on his forearm... cool!
What is that Roose Bolton as the battle standard bearer?
wouldn't the witch elves at 30:30 reform rather than overrun due to the morghasts dying from crumble, if you hadn't remebered the regen?
No, because Frenzy forces you to overrun if an enemy breaks or is wiped out (crumbling away completely counts as being wiped out).
Ok, I thought because crumble didn't count as breaking it would stop the overrun.
Crumble does unfortunately count as being wiped out... something that makes my dark vampiric heart all kinds of saddened.
that was a funny game :D the comet was dominating the game
where do you guys get the battle mats again???
im kinda checking warhammer(from total war) and i thought 9th age was the active game now, why does the biggest channel for warhammer play 8th? Is 8th still a thing and which has more players guys?
warhammer armies project is better than 9th age by a long shot
Because 9th age isn't technically warhammer. Warhammer Fantasy doesn't actually exist anymore
Executioners have ld 9 and strength 6
Dark elf sorceress had to take path of dark magic.
Andrew Desmoulin In 8th edition pg. 37 it says they can take Lore of dark OR one of the 8 lores of battle
Dark Elves Don't attack out of three ranks.
Witch Elves have 3 attacks in the front rank (1 base+paired weapons+frenzy), so they do get 20 attacks in a unit that is 5 wide (21 with the champion).
00:15 Dark ELDAR?!
Big Badaboom.
Calls "4 up down a hole" rolls a 6, keeps dude on the field. Come on maaaaan.
he stays on a 4 up, they mention it immediately. 1-3 takes a ride on the magic school bus
yay....watching comet after comet destroy an army.
That was fun...
Not.
Oh well too bad I guess I won't be a fan of this channel because I cannot understand a thing that guy is saying!