Particularly with Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio, she absolutely hates James Cameron because of that resuscitation scene. She had no problem with being topless, cold and wet, she did however have a problem with being topless, cold and wet for several hours because James wanted around 20 takes in order to get the scene right.
That breathable fluid is a real thing, although it causes some lung damage in any creature larger than a rat. The rat in this movie really breathed it on film, and it was OK.
Also it's not possible for a human to pump enough of the liquid in and out of the lungs fast enough to get the amount of oxygen necessary for survival. I believe nuclear scientist and youtuber Thunderf00t did the calculations in a debunk video, although I don't recall which one off the top of my head.
@@extantsanitythere were human trials , and they weren’t deaths. It did damage their chest and lungs more than reasonable to use for anything but the upmost extreme circumstance. Including rib damage from the force of struggling internal and probably externally forced breathing. But in the past 40 years I bet we have a better apparatus. It’s been a while since a chest piece breathing assistant for the design has been patented. With the right willing patient some sort of Lung insert catheter to help percolate fluid exchange could resolve the need to even breathe at all. Certainly more and more dense with oxygen while at the same time more lighter viscous in weight chemical also surely has progressed. I’m sure the more advanced suits and components exist and have been trialed. Though for the same reasons plus costs ,there are probably just a couple prototypes and zero in any professional operator inventory. “Normal” seals and navy divers aren’t being trained on it, but I’d bet Office of Naval Research has one or two stashed here or there.
@@mokane86 It is actually used today and has been for a while! It’s used to help treat people with severe lung damage, but of course they have to use a pump for the liquid, but it’s still being used, all though rarely.
Perfluorocarbon doesn't do lung damage. The act of breathing a liquid ruptures your diaphragm because of the amount of stress the muscle takes to push it. If you have a pump to circulate it, it's fine.
In terms of speed... 1 Knot is approximately 1.15 miles per hour on dry land. The top speed of modern submarines is about 40 to 50 knots (give or take a few on either side of that). So... when the Montana has the near-hit with the object at the beginning of the film, they record its speed of 130-knots (nearly 150 miles per hour UNDERWATER)
Michael Biehn is incredible in this playing someone undergoing a psychosis crisis during the dive. He portrays a person going through the effects of the pressure, the claustrophobia of the confined space, and going plain old stir crazy from the isolation very well.
Rough on the cast, as was the rest of the film, but the performance from Harris in that scene is unbelievably good. Overall it's about as good as the stair scene in The Shining, another film which involved traumatizing cast members. It's almost like real distress is more believable.
Mrs.!!!! VERY insightful!!! In the novelization it was revealed that the aliens finally realized how fragile humans were and gave a little unseen push to bring Linz back. Also Linz designed the wedding rings and Bud fabricated them out of titanium. This is why Bud did not lose his finger when the door closed on it. But the ring compressed enough that Bud was never able to remove it again. And afterwards the survivors became humanity's ambassadors to the N.T.I.'s
Actually, the irony is that the word on the street is that James Cameron used to be completely terrified by the water, which was the inspiration for him to make this movie. After this, and then Titanic is when I guess he got over his fear, and then pulled a 180, and got into diving and everything else.
@@John_Locke_108 ha! Well, I heard a 1st AD named Scott Thaler speak, who worked with him, not on this, but later. Told a story about working with him on "True Lies" and getting in a screaming match that almost came to blows. Anyway, he's the one I heard talk about him being terrified of water. Like if he was close enough to fall in the water, he would flip the fuck out, kind of thing. Then, I think in the extras that were on the DVD for this special cut, he said himself that he had a nightmare of the giant wave that destroys everything, which was his inspiration for this.
Im not the kind of guy to get emotional too often, and very few films have managed to hit the spot the way this one got me. From the decision to let Lindsey drown and then drag her body back to the rig, to bud almost giving up on reviving her but trying one last attempt and succeeding, it got me! the acting is amazing. And the message from Bud saying he knew it was a one way ticket got me again. I will always love this film
Just watched this for the first time myself 2 days ago. What a ride this movie is! Ed Harris was phenomenal in this! What a powerhouse performance! Everybody from the cast to be fair did they thing, Michael Biehn was awesome, too! James Cameron knows how to get the most out of his actors! Titanic, Avatar, Avatar: The Way of Water and Aliens are other proofs of that, not many directors can achieve that, some of the other directors I can think of are: Chris Nolan, Fincher, Scorsese, Denis Villenueve, Kubrick, Aronofsky, PTA, Bong Joon Ho, Mike Leigh and David Lynch for example, but there aren't many directors that have ability to have that synergy with the actors and Cameron is for sure one of them! He promises, he delivers. The Abyss is no exception. It is one of the greatest films of the 80s!
The dive helmets were designed so that the actors' faces could be clearly seen, and they also *had* to be functioning. The manufacturer was so impressed with the design, they enquired about licensing the design. James Cameron is a major Titanic nut as well as obsessed with most things deep-dive related. His son designed the ROVs for this and the ones seen in Titanic
I was at work in 1995 when the Oklahoma bomb happened. I worked around 8 or 9 miles from the explosion. The air shock wave hit the building we were in and it felt like something physically hit the building. That was nothing compared to a nuclear bomb. And since water is so dense the shock wave would be far more devastating.
That's why if you ever have two grenades thrown at you, one at the ground near you and one in the water near you, you do NOT want to jump in the water because you will be hurt much, much worse than if you just take the grenade up top.
This movie had a lot of problems behind the scenes as neither the cast nor crew liked working with James Cameron as he was going through a divorce at the time from his wife, Producer Gale Anne Hurd after 5 years of marriage. He would yell at the cast and crew for not doing a good job on any of the scenes. Ed Harris even punched Cameron in the face after he grew tired of him yelling at everyone. Cameron punched the underwater stunt coordinator in the face after he almost drowned during the scene where Bud and Catfish swim from one side of the platform to the other. A hurricane had hit near the set of the film, and that production had to be shut down until the damage could be repaired. During her resuscitation scene, Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio walked off the scene after being slapped over and over again until Cameron yelled Cut. She got up and said "We are not animals!" The actors and crew tore down the set with their bare hands after filming had wrapped up to let out all the rage, anger and frustration for working with Cameron. Harris was driving 5 miles from the set, he pulled over the side of the road, and broke down crying as he knew that 4 hellish months of working with Cameron was finally over.
Similar situation with Aliens. Cameron was such an a-hole to work with the entire crew went on strike at least once. He's since tried to claim the British were "lazy" (just for demanding adequate breaks), but the only consistent common denominator is Cameron being an a-hole on literally every movie of that era. Then there was the incident with the rover. In the first major battle scene when Ripley comes to rescue the team and a flamethrower comes down at the door of the vehicle it caught fire and several of the cast were inside it. Allegedly they had to break for the day to have everyone checked/treated for smoke inhalation. There is no doubt that the finished result is incredible and his movies are amazing, but that success doesn't negate the lived experiences of the people who have to work with him. The art can be great without the artist being a good human lol
Back in 90 or 91 I got to tag along with my old man for his overnight shift in the fuels shop on Elmendorf AFB. Hung out with the guys & watched this, had just come out on tape. Good memories!
If you had seen this when it first came out, your jaw would have been on the floor after seeing these special effects. There was literally nothing like this prior to it. It blew our damn minds.
Yes. The water creature was the first photorealistic CGI in history. I can assure you that my jaw was touching the ground. At the time I was a teenager and into technology a lot and was amazed by that fact.
@@cesarvidelac I was 12 and I remember that my Dad was so excited to rent it. Shame we didn't see it in theater but we had surround sound at home so it was still an experience.
An interesting fact is that at the time the movie was made, there had never been a capital ship (battleship or nuclear submarine) named USS Montana. There was an armored cruiser and a cargo ship, but nothing major. The name had been assigned to a couple of navy battleship projects, but they had been cancelled. There is a USS Montana today. She is a Virginia Class submarine that was christened in 2020 and commissioned in 2022.
Yes, breathable liquid is a real thing. I know, it blew my mind too when I learned about it. Sadly the two types we made cause health issues so they are still working to make one that won't cause health issues. And yes they actually used one of them on the rat in this movie.
Doppler is a type of radar typically used for weather. RADAR is an acronym that stands for Radio Detection and Ranging. Sonar uses sound waves to detect objects usually underwater for something such as a submarine. SONAR is also an acronym that stands for Sound Navigation and Ranging. I hope this helps Mrs. Movies understand where she made the error by no fault of her own of thinking Doppler and Sonar were in any way related. It helps when you have myself and my dad that are both big radar nerds! Great reaction to an awesome movie. I’m so glad that Mrs. Movies enjoy this very long sci-fi epic movie. ❤❤
Doppler is the effect where something emitting (or reflecting) a signal while moving towards you will seem at a higher frequency and moving away from you will seem to be a lower frequency (commonly noticed like when a car zooms past you while you watch from beside the road) With doppler radar you can use that frequency shift effect to filter out anything that isn't moving, making it easy to see rain, or see an enemy fighter coming towards you and not see the reflected "clutter" from the stationary ground.
@@youngbloodkexactly. It simply is the change in the frequency of a wave in relation to an observer who is moving relative to the source of the wave and it concerns every type of wave like air pressure waves (sound) and electromagnetic waves in all wave lengths (e.g. red or blue shift from fast moving distant galaxies…). Christian Doppler was an Austrian physicist from the 19th century.
Same here. Dad recorded the movie off HBO or Cinemax and I watched it many times. Bought this version off Amazon a few years back but only watched it twice so far.
Every time a movie has one of those frantic CPR scenes, there's always that guy who places a gentle hand on the arm of the other guy and says softly, "Hey...it's over, man."
Saw this opening day at the late great Ziegfeld Theatre in NYC (one of the last great movie palaces) and the resuscitation scene hit me so hard out of nowhere - to this day it reduces me to a puddle of water
I hope you enjoy this one. Several actors and many of the crew were horribly traumatized by it, so it deserves appreciation. And yes, that fluid breathing thing is real but pretty impractical. It is easy enough to take in the fluid but it is apparently hard to remove the CO2 that builds up. Air is just easier to move around than liquid. 20:00 - that news broadcast was conspicuously missing from the theatrical release. It really changes the plot of the movie.
Doppler is a radar (which uses radiowaves or microwaves) specifically for measuring velocity, and Sonar is based on soundwaves and used almost exclusively underwater.
Radiowaves and microwaves are absorbed so fast underwater that they are useless, on the other hand, soundwaves are not absorved so much and can travel hundreds or thousands of km underwater which makes them more useful in submarines.
Technically Doppler is the shift in frequencies that a moving object emits as it approaches or is moving away from you. An ambulance driving down the street will sound higher pitched as it approaches you and lower pitched as it moves away. That is a Doppler shift in frequency. It is also used by radars to tell how fast an object is moving.
@@herbertkeithmiller The other really common usage is astronomers using Doppler shifts in visible light to tell how quickly objects in space are approaching or receding.
Doppler stands for Digital Octigonal Phrygian Penial Lychanthropic Ethereal Recroplasm. First designed by Edward Dopple in the late 1870's. The concept was then perfected in the 1980's by Freedie Mercury. Dopple waves are highly radioactive and have also been proven to increase use of the 3rd eye and develop telepathic abilities in humans. Pete Budigeg is the 3rd great cousin of the Dopple family and it is believed he is keeping highly advanced doppler capabilities from the mainstream scientific community.
My nephew has a titanium wedding ring. They told him that if it ever got crushed so that it wouldn't come off, you're losing the finger because it they wouldn't be able to cut the metal off.
Aside from my mother, brother and I, you're the only person on Earth that I've EVER seen, eat black licorice. I literally had to rewind twice just to make sure I wasn't tripping. We are the few. LOL
He was cutting himself because... that's what some mentally disturbed people do. I saw an article that talked about someone isolated at an arctic outpost for weeks. He started cutting himself and wrote some manifesto about how people don't test the limits of their own bodies.
Hey, Mr. and Mrs.! This is an incredible film! I saw it in high school! So glad you saw the Special Edition. This was a notoriously difficult shoot. The home video release had an extensive documentary that chronicled the production called "Under Pressure". The cast and crew consider their experience in this production to be a benchmark of difficulty against which all their subsequent experiences are measured. "Quit yer whinin'! This ain't nuthin'. I was in 'The Abyss'!" James Cameron developed his reputation as a 'shouter', not a 'screamer', during this movie. Lol. Cameron paid tribute to Ed Harris' portrayal of astronaut and Senator John Glenn in "The Right Stuff" by having him stride triumphantly out of the alien citadel in that hyperbaric suit! Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio was pummeled so severely by Ed Harris laying bare-chested on that cold metal deck for take after endless take of the resuscitation scene that she finally flipped out and screamed at Cameron, "That's ENOUGH! We're NOT animals!", and walked off the set. Harris was forced to complete the scene without her. His relief and tearful joy were filmed in her absence with only the camera facing him. It's an amazing piece of acting! The water tentacle's fluidic texture and capacity for facial mimicry were a visual effects milestone. That effect, the liquid T-1000 from "T2: Judgment Day" and the effects in "Jurassic Park" are often cited as the trifecta that propelled the visual effects industry forward by a quantum leap. "The Abyss" is always cited in visual effects retrospectives. The extraordinary scene in which the aquatic species announces itself to the world by generating titanic TIDAL WAVES that surround EVERY POPULATED LANDMASS ON EARTH to indicate that they have the power to destroy the surface world but have chosen not to is the major addition of the Special Edition. It is a warning not to engage in hostilities and an invitation to collaborate on improving the world for both species to cohabitate. Coffey was slicing up his arm as a way to focus his erratic thoughts and channel his violent impulses lest he lose control of the situation. In the novelization, he comes across as a tragic figure who was beloved by his unit under normal circumstances much like Bud was by his crew. Michael Biehn's turn as Lt. Coffey was part of his Cameron trifecta which also included Hicks from "Aliens" and Kyle Reese from "The Terminator". Bud, Lindsey and the crew are altered to survive massive pressure changes and become liaisons between the surface world and the NTIs in the novelization by Orson Scott Card. If you want to see more evil Biehn, watch "Tombstone" where he plays the psychotic Johnny Ringo. He was also in the second season of "The Mandalorian".
52:16 "A nuke at that level, it's not going to do anything." Quite true! Physicists have said that if the largest H-bomb (Tsar Bomba - 57 megatons) had exploded down in the Mariana Trench (36,000 feet deep), it would have caused no damage. The immense pressure of the water would have kept the explosion way down at the bottom.
IN the middle 1950's the US conducted a deep underwater nuclear test for nuclear depth charges known as Operation Wigwam. You can see videos of the explosion which reached the surface of the ocean in spite of being detonated at depth of 2000 feet. Yield of the device was about 30 kilotons of TNT. It crushed the unmanned submarines which were tethered to barges floating on the surface. It would do something for sure.
@@stephenkoehler4051 ... We're not talking about 2,000 feet. In the film, "The Abyss", the nuke was around 20,000 feet, where the pressure is far stronger. It is even stronger at 36,000 feet - over 1,000 times the atmospheric pressure at sea level.
@@Stogie2112 It would depend upon several factors. If the canyon abyss was narrow enough, it could compress the pressure wavs and allow them to propagate to the depth of the rig. We haven't conducted tests that deep, so there is nothing definitive. However, given the pressure at that depth, any increase in pressure might not be desirable. I would ask you to view the Wigwam test footage. It put a significant amount of water high into the air. It was able to crush other submersible hulls at 15,000 away from initial detonation. There are several films of the Wigwam test here on TH-cam, plus the interesting film by Peter Kuran Trinity and Beyond. Just look up Operation Wigwam and I think you might be interested. In any event, I wouldn't want an underwater nuclear explosion anywhere near me if I was in a undersea habitat. There are reflection waves and propagations from the blast that can cause damage was well. The USS Mount McKinley, which served as the test headquarters for Wigwam, felt a significant shock as well as several after shocks from blast waves reflected from the sea floor thousands of feet below the initial explosion. I for one wouldn't want to gamble and hope if I ware in a similar position of the crew of Deep Core II.
Scuba Fact: Decompression is to get all the Nitrogen out of your blood. It takes awhile. There are stops charted before the dive considering depth, time below and O2 supply .
Right, some of the "Tic Tac" UFOs spotted by many military (especially naval, of course) aviators have been seen going into and coming out of water. These sightings tend to happen mostly around Southern California and Florida, probably because that's where so many training exercises take place.
You two are so down to earth and intelligently smart with a touch of satirical humor. It’s a blessed delight to watch your reactions.Worth my time, my like and a big sub😘. Big Aloha from Honolulu 🥳🥰.
The book is a really good read. I recommend it. Coufy, if it is not clear, it narced, ie, nitrigen narcosis, ie, a psychological reaction to too much nitrogen (dissolved) in the blood. The effect is like being stoned and drunk at the same time. All his decision making is suspect and he is suffering from extreme paranoia. He is a danger to himself, his team, the crew and the entire world.
I saw this in the theater back in 1989. At that time there was an former navy diver in one of my college classes. I asked him if that breathing liquid instead of air was real or just a movie gimmick. He said it was real thing. That he never did it but that he knew two divers in California that had done it. He was a pretty cool guy. He had some interesting stories to tell. The cold war was still fresh in peoples' mind in 1989, so the initial Russia paranoia by the Navy Seals rings true.
@@zvimur Yes, that was my point. For those that experienced the cold war during at that time the initial Russia paranoia was not unreasonable. Not the crazy / psycho paranoia that came later of course. I was just pointing that out for those who may not be old enough or even alive to remember what it was like in the 80's when came to the Cold War.
@@zvimur The movie was made in the 80's. I was addressing how people were feeling about Russia in the 80's. At the time this movie was in theaters. I didn't say the Cold War was ONLY in the 80's. Again, my comment was directed toward those people who are not old enough to remember the Cold War or were not even alive. You are arguing semantics that don't contradict what I said.
"Doppler effect or Doppler shift is the change in frequency of a wave produced by a moving source with respect to an observer." This applies to any wave form (light, sound, radar, etc.), with frequency increasing as the source gets closer, and decreasing with distance. The easiest example is a passing high speed train. The sound's pitch gets higher as the train approaches, then rapidly lower as it passes and moves away. Radar uses it to judge speed by measuring either the rate of increase or decrease in radio waves relative to the transmitter. Incidentally, that means technically, ranging sonar also uses Doppler as do ultrasound machines (see vascular studies).
The nuke would still, I think, have been devastating. Water is incompressible, so the pressure wave in the immediate vicinity would propagate the energy in a wide enough zone to do real harm, but it would of course propagate upwards as well, and it would keep going upwards, til it hit the surface and bwam. Very, very big plume with a danger zone round it. I honestly can't even imagine how dangerous after two miles, but probably pretty dangerous to everyone right overhead. It's one of my favourite fantasy movies and it even leans right into the happy romantic ending with one of the best movie kisses to wrap it up (imo). Thanks for reviewing it, folks.
"Doppler" has to do with the relative difference in speed between two objects generally measured relative to the speed of light (for astronomical measurements) but the same effect is used for Sonar and Radar detection techniques.
The theatrical version omits all the scenes showing the tensions between Russia and the US, as well as the aliens threatening the world with tidal waves. The seals bring the nuke on board, Coffey goes nuts, Bud goes down to disarm the bomb, the aliens save him, then they bring everyone to the surface. Of the three underwater movies that came around the same time, this, Deepstar Six, and Leviathan, this is the only one that was actually filmed underwater. Most of it was filmed in a giant tank, with the top covered to keep out the light. Cameron designed the helmets worn by the actors because he wanted to be able to see their faces in the underwater scenes, and for them to be able to talk to each other. They were fully functional diving helmets.I don't know if they would hold up at the depth that the movie was set at, but they worked in the water tank.
A hurricane mainly affects a deep dive operation by causing trouble for surface support assets. Although there is the potential for descending debris from a damaged surface vessel to more directly threaten the dive operation. Such as heavy cranes and stuff breaking off stuff on the surface and impacting the dive location.
Back in the late 80's I saw a presentation by the tech geeks who worked on the special effects for this movie at an animation festival. It was experimental graphics software (what we now know as CGI) on an Apple Macintosh of the era.
One of my all time favorites this one. Radar works by listening for radio wave echo. Like radiation it is dampened under water and doesn't work well there. Sonar is sound echo like with bats or dolphins. Works well under water and because it is listening for the echoes of sound pings it can also hear engines, cavitation sounds, and with a high sensitivity sonar even people talking. Military submarines mostly use it in passive mode (not sending out pings) to not give their own position away. If a sub is pinging actively you know that they feel their position is already compromised and that they don't know where their hostile is, so they go "active." And yea, you can hear if a compartment is flooded by banging on its hatch. Just listen to the difference in sound from banging an empty or filled bucket. And shockwaves travel much better under water. If a hand grenade exploded at a safe distance from you on land that would still be a lethal amount of shockwave if you're submerged with it. That's why dynamite fishing works so well (and is highly illegal).
I always liked the movie Sphere more. It's a Michael Crichton book adaptation sbout people dealing with some unknown while trapped on the bottom of the ocean.
Really enjoyed your reaction, this is a great film and I really enjoy it, but during the "news" broadcast at the start of the film, there is an exploding ship. That ship is HMS Antelope, A type 21 Frigate sunk on 23\24th May 1982 during the Falklands War. She was hit by two Argentine bombs that failed to detonate, the first 1000lb bomb killed one sailor (Std* Mark Stephens, buried at sea). The second failed to detonate but did start fires on board. The explosion killed a bomb disposal expert (S\Sgt James Prescott) and seriously wounded another (W\O John Phillips) while they were trying to defuse one of the bombs. S\Sgt Prescott (RE) was posthumously awarded the Conspicuous Gallantry Medal. You shall not be forgotten. RIP to all lost in that war. * I've tried to find what this designation is but have been unable to. I am not a Navy person but do remember the event from the news back then, I got the detailed info from the Royal Naval Association website.
Doppler is the phenomenon of waves being compressed when their source is coming toward you, and extended when the source is moving away from you. The waves could be anything, but mostly we use the effect for practical reasons in sound or light waves. You can hear the Doppler effect when sound waves from a traveling vehicle, like a train blowing its whistle, where the pitch of the sound increases to a higher level as it approaches you, then decreases as it passes and moves away from you. You can see the Doppler effect in the light spectrum of galaxies, where ones that are flying away from us with the expansion of the universe have a shift of their light wavelengths toward the red, and the few moving toward us have a shift toward the blue. I guess there is such a thing called Doppler radar, but it's only called that because that's how the radar measures distances and movements of objects it pings off of. Higher frequency pings, the object's approaching. Lower frequency pings, it's moving away.
decompression is like open a bottle of soda, when you do it quick you see bubbles appear, you do it very slow so the pressure is released slowly you dont, if they open the lock instant you get air bubbles in your blood, if they slowly bring you to the same pressure you dont get air bubbles in your blood.
Radar has two modes: Range-Pulse and Doppler. Range-Pulse is your classic idea of radar (and sonar): Send out a signal pulse and wait for the echo. Doppler sends out a continuous signal and looks for the distortions caused by movement. That's why it's used as weather radar looking at falling rain.
When diving the pressure on the water increases and that causes more gases to dissolve. If you rise to the surface too fast the pressure decreases too fast and the dissolved gasses bubble out and cause intense pain and can kill. The depressurizing chamber gradually reduces pressure which allows dissolved gasses to leave the body tissues. This can take days for the deepest depths and so saturation diving was created where divers live for a month in a chamber with the same pressure as the depth they are working at.
Hey guys! I’ve been watching y’all content for quite a while and loved every moment n your reactions. I’m finally commenting because this week I’ve binge watched “For All Mankind” this week and there’s a particular character in the series that sounds soooooooo much like the Mrs. and every time I hear her voice it sounds just like hers but just a heavy Texas accent lol. She looks like a ginger sister of the Mrs. but the voice is uncanny haha. Not requesting to react to it but if y’all got some time to check it out, go for it. It’s a good sci fi show. Keep up with the great n fun content, much love!
54:31 at that depth, it wouldn't matter what color light he had. By the time you reach 200 feet below the surface, no color is discernible from another; hell, red stops being red after 20 feet. Has to be artistic license on Cameron's part, because there's no way he didn't know that.
Doppler, like for weather tracking, is radar, short for radio array, which uses radio waves. While sonar uses sound, like bats and dolphins use, which travels farther underwater -- whales have been heard communicating between different oceans. Both work underwater, but differently: sound is a pressure wave of the water itself, while radio just beams through water like light.
again the mrs proves what a smart cookie she is. the doppler effect applies to radar and sonar and describes the behavior of waves (sound and light) and how they behave differently whether they're coming toward or away and how fast and the sensors and computers can figure out from doppler data what direction they're moving and how fast.
Doppler is radar, that specifically tracks and measures items in the air regarding their relative motion, sonar is sound waves echo location, so bats and dolphins but use sonar. Doppler is radar, but used to track airborne items movement speed, like how fast a rain drop is falling, weather stations use doppler to determine winds speeds inside a cloud.
You ask what was invented for the movie. It was the dive helmets. They needed to show the actor's faces, and they needed to have lines. So, some special folks were asked to do it. In fact, these work so well, they have been extended to many dive uses. Oh, and Aliens or other beasties of the water, already have a term, USOs. Unknown submerged objects.
Doppler (effect) is the effect of motion on frequency or wavelength of a signal. Applies to sonor, radar, lasers, light, etc. Example: a train's horn sounds higher pitched when the train is approaching, and lower when it is going away. The motion is affecting the frequency/pitch. In astronomy the color of a star moving away is Doppler shifted to the red (red shift), how much it shifts can indicate the speed.
Radar bounces radio waves off of things to find where they are; sonar bounces sound waves off of things to find where they are. Like bats do: make a sound and listen for the echo. Sonar is used under water, because radio waves don’t go very far in water, but sound travels very well. Doppler, in this context, usually refers radar used a lot in weather forecasting, so still radio waves. The “doppler” part is because it’s a radar that can also see how something is moving, not just where it is. It’s also used in some speed traps and radar guns for the same reason; it can tell you the speed of something. The Doppler effect is what you get when, say, an ambulance drives past and you hear the siren going from high pitch as it’s coming toward you, and lower pitch when it’s moving away. Or if you look at a boat slowly sailing, you’ll see the waves it makes in front of it get bunched up and the waves behind get stretched out. Same thing happens with radio waves when they bounces off of something; if it’s coming toward you, the “pitch” will be higher and if it’s moving away it’ll be lower, hence why doppler radar is useful. Same thing again happens with light waves, which is how we know the universe is expanding; far-away galaxies appear redder or “lower pitch”, so they’re moving away from us. Essentially the way we can tell a galaxy is spinning is the same way we can tell a tornado is forming: one side’s moving one way, the other side is moving the other way, and we can tell this due to the Doppler effect.
Bud is thinking "Dang, I should have saved the magnesium flare instead of this stupid Cyalume stick! Why didn't anyone tell me I needed to see in color?!"
Did you guys notice the similarity of the vistas on Bud's visor as he was taken into the city with what we saw on the entry to Jupiter in 2001? It's been remarked on by a number of folks.
The ABYSS first showed James Cameron's deep obsession with the Ocean with this [you may want to forget PIRAHNA 2 the Spawning lol! putting that aside i thought this was a great movie that i appreciate even more now . great effects and a stellar cast who give it their all in what has been labelled as one of the hardest shoots in Hollywood history . Great reaction and it makes me want to review some other deep water movies , i'll give Deep Star Six A re watch . Thanks 👍
James also made a documentary about making this movie called "Under Pressure: Making the Abyss" It's worth the watch for sure! They created (to this day) the worlds largest underwater movie set and did in fact invent all kinds of different technology for this movie, including the underwater masks that let you talk normaly and new types of cameras. The liquid breathing is a real thing, It's been tested with success many times on many different animals, it's never been approved for human use though.
the restriction for human use was due to the amount of damage lungs incurred the larger the animal they tested it on. Rats were basically fine, from there up you almost had permanent pneumonia and reduced lung capacity.
I've seen the word doppler used for both sound, radar and light waves. Its the technique for measuring change in position using wave theory, no matter which medium you use.
Sonar uses sound waves for detection and ranging. Thus the "ping" sound. Echoes of the "ping" off objects is translated into a range and bearing on the contact.
Michael Biehn was under a lot of pressure in The Abyss, but that was really nothing. In "The Seventh Sign", he had to deal with a wife who was about to start Armageddon....the BIBLICAL Armageddon!! Now THAT is pressure!!
The documentary on how this film was made and what happened to the actors is wild.
@mikedignum It's no wonder the movie was nicknamed ''THE ABUSE '' by the actors it was a hellish production .
This would have been the most terrifying film shoot!😮
@@harveylee51 "Life's Abyss And Then You Dive."
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Particularly with Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio, she absolutely hates James Cameron because of that resuscitation scene. She had no problem with being topless, cold and wet, she did however have a problem with being topless, cold and wet for several hours because James wanted around 20 takes in order to get the scene right.
That breathable fluid is a real thing, although it causes some lung damage in any creature larger than a rat. The rat in this movie really breathed it on film, and it was OK.
Also it's not possible for a human to pump enough of the liquid in and out of the lungs fast enough to get the amount of oxygen necessary for survival. I believe nuclear scientist and youtuber Thunderf00t did the calculations in a debunk video, although I don't recall which one off the top of my head.
@@extantsanitythere were human trials , and they weren’t deaths.
It did damage their chest and lungs more than reasonable to use for anything but the upmost extreme circumstance.
Including rib damage from the force of struggling internal and probably externally forced breathing.
But in the past 40 years I bet we have a better apparatus. It’s been a while since a chest piece breathing assistant for the design has been patented.
With the right willing patient some sort of Lung insert catheter to help percolate fluid exchange could resolve the need to even breathe at all.
Certainly more and more dense with oxygen while at the same time more lighter viscous in weight chemical also surely has progressed.
I’m sure the more advanced suits and components exist and have been trialed.
Though for the same reasons plus costs ,there are probably just a couple prototypes and zero in any professional operator inventory.
“Normal” seals and navy divers aren’t being trained on it, but I’d bet Office of Naval Research has one or two stashed here or there.
@@mokane86 It is actually used today and has been for a while! It’s used to help treat people with severe lung damage, but of course they have to use a pump for the liquid, but it’s still being used, all though rarely.
Good to know.
Perfluorocarbon doesn't do lung damage. The act of breathing a liquid ruptures your diaphragm because of the amount of stress the muscle takes to push it. If you have a pump to circulate it, it's fine.
In terms of speed... 1 Knot is approximately 1.15 miles per hour on dry land. The top speed of modern submarines is about 40 to 50 knots (give or take a few on either side of that). So... when the Montana has the near-hit with the object at the beginning of the film, they record its speed of 130-knots (nearly 150 miles per hour UNDERWATER)
Michael Biehn is incredible in this playing someone undergoing a psychosis crisis during the dive. He portrays a person going through the effects of the pressure, the claustrophobia of the confined space, and going plain old stir crazy from the isolation very well.
I really loved Michael Biehn in that movie where he played a military guy.
@@benjauron5873 That's my favorite, too!!!!!
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@benjauron5873 He was great in that movie where he died.
Don't forget about the Cold War situation.
But why does being underwater make go insane? He's a SEAL, that is they're preferred environment.
There are only a few films that make me cry 100% of the time. The CPR scene gets me EVERY time..
From all accounts, it gets Ms. Mastroantonio as well…
@@ryanclark6402 Yeah, it got her a nervous breakdown.
Her drowning gets me worse.
Fight! Fight! FIGHT!!!!
Rough on the cast, as was the rest of the film, but the performance from Harris in that scene is unbelievably good. Overall it's about as good as the stair scene in The Shining, another film which involved traumatizing cast members. It's almost like real distress is more believable.
"Cold with intense pressure " , sounds like my workplace
Sounds like my mother in law
Mrs.!!!! VERY insightful!!! In the novelization it was revealed that the aliens finally realized how fragile humans were and gave a little unseen push to bring Linz back. Also Linz designed the wedding rings and Bud fabricated them out of titanium. This is why Bud did not lose his finger when the door closed on it. But the ring compressed enough that Bud was never able to remove it again. And afterwards the survivors became humanity's ambassadors to the N.T.I.'s
I'm glad you watched the extended version. The ending makes a LOT more sense than the theatrical release.
Actually, the irony is that the word on the street is that James Cameron used to be completely terrified by the water, which was the inspiration for him to make this movie. After this, and then Titanic is when I guess he got over his fear, and then pulled a 180, and got into diving and everything else.
His fear of cyborgs is what led him to make Terminator.
@@John_Locke_108 ha! Well, I heard a 1st AD named Scott Thaler speak, who worked with him, not on this, but later. Told a story about working with him on "True Lies" and getting in a screaming match that almost came to blows. Anyway, he's the one I heard talk about him being terrified of water. Like if he was close enough to fall in the water, he would flip the fuck out, kind of thing. Then, I think in the extras that were on the DVD for this special cut, he said himself that he had a nightmare of the giant wave that destroys everything, which was his inspiration for this.
@@John_Locke_108 From what I’ve heard, it was actually a nightmare of a robotic skeleton chasing him that inspired the terminator.
Im not the kind of guy to get emotional too often, and very few films have managed to hit the spot the way this one got me. From the decision to let Lindsey drown and then drag her body back to the rig, to bud almost giving up on reviving her but trying one last attempt and succeeding, it got me! the acting is amazing. And the message from Bud saying he knew it was a one way ticket got me again. I will always love this film
Yeah, that part was also awful for the actress, she did not like that shoot, at all. But I can’t blame her, I’d have been pissed too.
@@MetastaticMaladies yea I saw she's not on particularly friendly terms with Cameron to this day! I don't think many of them are
Just watched this for the first time myself 2 days ago. What a ride this movie is! Ed Harris was phenomenal in this! What a powerhouse performance! Everybody from the cast to be fair did they thing, Michael Biehn was awesome, too! James Cameron knows how to get the most out of his actors! Titanic, Avatar, Avatar: The Way of Water and Aliens are other proofs of that, not many directors can achieve that, some of the other directors I can think of are: Chris Nolan, Fincher, Scorsese, Denis Villenueve, Kubrick, Aronofsky, PTA, Bong Joon Ho, Mike Leigh and David Lynch for example, but there aren't many directors that have ability to have that synergy with the actors and Cameron is for sure one of them! He promises, he delivers. The Abyss is no exception. It is one of the greatest films of the 80s!
Complete nightmare of a movie to make. Great result. Good thing you watched the extended cut. It ties the movie together a lot better
The dive helmets were designed so that the actors' faces could be clearly seen, and they also *had* to be functioning. The manufacturer was so impressed with the design, they enquired about licensing the design.
James Cameron is a major Titanic nut as well as obsessed with most things deep-dive related. His son designed the ROVs for this and the ones seen in Titanic
His brother designs ROV's. Love their documentaries on The Titanic & The Bismarck.
I was at work in 1995 when the Oklahoma bomb happened. I worked around 8 or 9 miles from the explosion. The air shock wave hit the building we were in and it felt like something physically hit the building. That was nothing compared to a nuclear bomb. And since water is so dense the shock wave would be far more devastating.
That's why if you ever have two grenades thrown at you, one at the ground near you and one in the water near you, you do NOT want to jump in the water because you will be hurt much, much worse than if you just take the grenade up top.
Very true.
This movie had a lot of problems behind the scenes as neither the cast nor crew liked working with James Cameron as he was going through a divorce at the time from his wife, Producer Gale Anne Hurd after 5 years of marriage. He would yell at the cast and crew for not doing a good job on any of the scenes.
Ed Harris even punched Cameron in the face after he grew tired of him yelling at everyone.
Cameron punched the underwater stunt coordinator in the face after he almost drowned during the scene where Bud and Catfish swim from one side of the platform to the other.
A hurricane had hit near the set of the film, and that production had to be shut down until the damage could be repaired.
During her resuscitation scene, Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio walked off the scene after being slapped over and over again until Cameron yelled Cut.
She got up and said "We are not animals!"
The actors and crew tore down the set with their bare hands after filming had wrapped up to let out all the rage, anger and frustration for working with Cameron.
Harris was driving 5 miles from the set, he pulled over the side of the road, and broke down crying as he knew that 4 hellish months of working with Cameron was finally over.
Similar situation with Aliens. Cameron was such an a-hole to work with the entire crew went on strike at least once.
He's since tried to claim the British were "lazy" (just for demanding adequate breaks), but the only consistent common denominator is Cameron being an a-hole on literally every movie of that era.
Then there was the incident with the rover. In the first major battle scene when Ripley comes to rescue the team and a flamethrower comes down at the door of the vehicle it caught fire and several of the cast were inside it. Allegedly they had to break for the day to have everyone checked/treated for smoke inhalation.
There is no doubt that the finished result is incredible and his movies are amazing, but that success doesn't negate the lived experiences of the people who have to work with him.
The art can be great without the artist being a good human lol
@@ct5625 Cameron is indeed an egotistical jackass in many ways. Just ask his ex-wives. h
Back in 90 or 91 I got to tag along with my old man for his overnight shift in the fuels shop on Elmendorf AFB. Hung out with the guys & watched this, had just come out on tape. Good memories!
If you had seen this when it first came out, your jaw would have been on the floor after seeing these special effects.
There was literally nothing like this prior to it. It blew our damn minds.
Yes. The water creature was the first photorealistic CGI in history. I can assure you that my jaw was touching the ground. At the time I was a teenager and into technology a lot and was amazed by that fact.
@@cesarvidelac I was 12 and I remember that my Dad was so excited to rent it. Shame we didn't see it in theater but we had surround sound at home so it was still an experience.
An interesting fact is that at the time the movie was made, there had never been a capital ship (battleship or nuclear submarine) named USS Montana. There was an armored cruiser and a cargo ship, but nothing major. The name had been assigned to a couple of navy battleship projects, but they had been cancelled. There is a USS Montana today. She is a Virginia Class submarine that was christened in 2020 and commissioned in 2022.
Yes, breathable liquid is a real thing. I know, it blew my mind too when I learned about it. Sadly the two types we made cause health issues so they are still working to make one that won't cause health issues. And yes they actually used one of them on the rat in this movie.
Doppler is a type of radar typically used for weather. RADAR is an acronym that stands for Radio Detection and Ranging.
Sonar uses sound waves to detect objects usually underwater for something such as a submarine. SONAR is also an acronym that stands for Sound Navigation and Ranging.
I hope this helps Mrs. Movies understand where she made the error by no fault of her own of thinking Doppler and Sonar were in any way related. It helps when you have myself and my dad that are both big radar nerds!
Great reaction to an awesome movie. I’m so glad that Mrs. Movies enjoy this very long sci-fi epic movie. ❤❤
Doppler is the effect where something emitting (or reflecting) a signal while moving towards you will seem at a higher frequency and moving away from you will seem to be a lower frequency (commonly noticed like when a car zooms past you while you watch from beside the road)
With doppler radar you can use that frequency shift effect to filter out anything that isn't moving, making it easy to see rain, or see an enemy fighter coming towards you and not see the reflected "clutter" from the stationary ground.
Doppler effect is seen with both RADAR and SONAR
@@youngbloodkexactly. It simply is the change in the frequency of a wave in relation to an observer who is moving relative to the source of the wave and it concerns every type of wave like air pressure waves (sound) and electromagnetic waves in all wave lengths (e.g. red or blue shift from fast moving distant galaxies…). Christian Doppler was an Austrian physicist from the 19th century.
Love this movie. We had it on VHS, the director's cut, ripped from tv. I've watched this tape a dozen of times as a kid.
Same here. Dad recorded the movie off HBO or Cinemax and I watched it many times. Bought this version off Amazon a few years back but only watched it twice so far.
Every time a movie has one of those frantic CPR scenes, there's always that guy who places a gentle hand on the arm of the other guy and says softly, "Hey...it's over, man."
Saw this opening day at the late great Ziegfeld Theatre in NYC (one of the last great movie palaces) and the resuscitation scene hit me so hard out of nowhere - to this day it reduces me to a puddle of water
It broke the Actress, and she very nearly quit because of it.
How that guy got slammed by that metal door isn’t more seriously hurt is beyond me.
However well that antagonist plays a jerk, my mind can't let go that he's Hicks and Reese.
"There's good in him, I know it" - Luke
Happy 35th Anniversary The Abyss!🎞🌊👽
52:17 they need to disarm the nuke to prevent an act of war against the alien jellyfish fellas!
I hope you enjoy this one. Several actors and many of the crew were horribly traumatized by it, so it deserves appreciation. And yes, that fluid breathing thing is real but pretty impractical. It is easy enough to take in the fluid but it is apparently hard to remove the CO2 that builds up. Air is just easier to move around than liquid.
20:00 - that news broadcast was conspicuously missing from the theatrical release. It really changes the plot of the movie.
Since you said it, this would make a fun plot for Abyss 2: Everyone's got psychosis except Coffey.
Doppler is a radar (which uses radiowaves or microwaves) specifically for measuring velocity, and Sonar is based on soundwaves and used almost exclusively underwater.
Radiowaves and microwaves are absorbed so fast underwater that they are useless, on the other hand, soundwaves are not absorved so much and can travel hundreds or thousands of km underwater which makes them more useful in submarines.
Technically Doppler is the shift in frequencies that a moving object emits as it approaches or is moving away from you.
An ambulance driving down the street will sound higher pitched as it approaches you and lower pitched as it moves away. That is a Doppler shift in frequency.
It is also used by radars to tell how fast an object is moving.
@@herbertkeithmiller The other really common usage is astronomers using Doppler shifts in visible light to tell how quickly objects in space are approaching or receding.
Doppler stands for Digital Octigonal Phrygian Penial Lychanthropic Ethereal Recroplasm. First designed by Edward Dopple in the late 1870's. The concept was then perfected in the 1980's by Freedie Mercury. Dopple waves are highly radioactive and have also been proven to increase use of the 3rd eye and develop telepathic abilities in humans. Pete Budigeg is the 3rd great cousin of the Dopple family and it is believed he is keeping highly advanced doppler capabilities from the mainstream scientific community.
Radar was in MASH, Doppler was in Gomer Pyle.
Bud’s wedding ring, IIRC, is made from industrial titanium, hence being able to resist the pressure of the motorised door.
My nephew has a titanium wedding ring. They told him that if it ever got crushed so that it wouldn't come off, you're losing the finger because it they wouldn't be able to cut the metal off.
@@bill.godwin-austen thanks for the reply. Have a great day.
That blue hand continuity is hilarious
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Aside from my mother, brother and I, you're the only person on Earth that I've EVER seen, eat black licorice. I literally had to rewind twice just to make sure I wasn't tripping. We are the few. LOL
When I was growing up, black licorice was always in my house. Black and red.
@@Stogie2112 same... my mom was actually partial to the shoestring licorice... red and black
I like black licorice. I don't have it often but on occasion I like it or some Good & Plenty, which has it inside.
My favourite
"A great work of labor" That's one way to put it.
He was cutting himself because... that's what some mentally disturbed people do.
I saw an article that talked about someone isolated at an arctic outpost for weeks.
He started cutting himself and wrote some manifesto about how people don't test the limits of their own bodies.
link ?
1:00:17 "See what we can do. Knock this shit off!" Summed up perfectly.
Hey, Mr. and Mrs.! This is an incredible film! I saw it in high school! So glad you saw the Special Edition.
This was a notoriously difficult shoot. The home video release had an extensive documentary that chronicled the production called "Under Pressure".
The cast and crew consider their experience in this production to be a benchmark of difficulty against which all their subsequent experiences are measured. "Quit yer whinin'! This ain't nuthin'. I was in 'The Abyss'!"
James Cameron developed his reputation as a 'shouter', not a 'screamer', during this movie. Lol.
Cameron paid tribute to Ed Harris' portrayal of astronaut and Senator John Glenn in "The Right Stuff" by having him stride triumphantly out of the alien citadel in that hyperbaric suit!
Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio was pummeled so severely by Ed Harris laying bare-chested on that cold metal deck for take after endless take of the resuscitation scene that she finally flipped out and screamed at Cameron, "That's ENOUGH! We're NOT animals!", and walked off the set. Harris was forced to complete the scene without her. His relief and tearful joy were filmed in her absence with only the camera facing him. It's an amazing piece of acting!
The water tentacle's fluidic texture and capacity for facial mimicry were a visual effects milestone. That effect, the liquid T-1000 from "T2: Judgment Day" and the effects in "Jurassic Park" are often cited as the trifecta that propelled the visual effects industry forward by a quantum leap. "The Abyss" is always cited in visual effects retrospectives.
The extraordinary scene in which the aquatic species announces itself to the world by generating titanic TIDAL WAVES that surround EVERY POPULATED LANDMASS ON EARTH to indicate that they have the power to destroy the surface world but have chosen not to is the major addition of the Special Edition. It is a warning not to engage in hostilities and an invitation to collaborate on improving the world for both species to cohabitate.
Coffey was slicing up his arm as a way to focus his erratic thoughts and channel his violent impulses lest he lose control of the situation. In the novelization, he comes across as a tragic figure who was beloved by his unit under normal circumstances much like Bud was by his crew. Michael Biehn's turn as Lt. Coffey was part of his Cameron trifecta which also included Hicks from "Aliens" and Kyle Reese from "The Terminator".
Bud, Lindsey and the crew are altered to survive massive pressure changes and become liaisons between the surface world and the NTIs in the novelization by Orson Scott Card.
If you want to see more evil Biehn, watch "Tombstone" where he plays the psychotic Johnny Ringo. He was also in the second season of "The Mandalorian".
52:16 "A nuke at that level, it's not going to do anything."
Quite true! Physicists have said that if the largest H-bomb (Tsar Bomba - 57 megatons) had exploded down in the Mariana Trench (36,000 feet deep), it would have caused no damage. The immense pressure of the water would have kept the explosion way down at the bottom.
IN the middle 1950's the US conducted a deep underwater nuclear test for nuclear depth charges known as Operation Wigwam. You can see videos of the explosion which reached the surface of the ocean in spite of being detonated at depth of 2000 feet. Yield of the device was about 30 kilotons of TNT. It crushed the unmanned submarines which were tethered to barges floating on the surface. It would do something for sure.
@@stephenkoehler4051 ... We're not talking about 2,000 feet. In the film, "The Abyss", the nuke was around 20,000 feet, where the pressure is far stronger. It is even stronger at 36,000 feet - over 1,000 times the atmospheric pressure at sea level.
@@Stogie2112 It would depend upon several factors. If the canyon abyss was narrow enough, it could compress the pressure wavs and allow them to propagate to the depth of the rig. We haven't conducted tests that deep, so there is nothing definitive. However, given the pressure at that depth, any increase in pressure might not be desirable. I would ask you to view the Wigwam test footage. It put a significant amount of water high into the air. It was able to crush other submersible hulls at 15,000 away from initial detonation. There are several films of the Wigwam test here on TH-cam, plus the interesting film by Peter Kuran Trinity and Beyond. Just look up Operation Wigwam and I think you might be interested. In any event, I wouldn't want an underwater nuclear explosion anywhere near me if I was in a undersea habitat. There are reflection waves and propagations from the blast that can cause damage was well. The USS Mount McKinley, which served as the test headquarters for Wigwam, felt a significant shock as well as several after shocks from blast waves reflected from the sea floor thousands of feet below the initial explosion. I for one wouldn't want to gamble and hope if I ware in a similar position of the crew of Deep Core II.
Scuba Fact: Decompression is to get all the Nitrogen out of your blood. It takes awhile. There are stops charted before the dive considering depth, time below and O2 supply .
Interesting fact you can also get it if you fly at high enough altitude, even without diving
Funny sounding fact: In deep sea diving helium is used in the mix to counter issues with compression of gases causing toxic state effects.
Right, some of the "Tic Tac" UFOs spotted by many military (especially naval, of course) aviators have been seen going into and coming out of water. These sightings tend to happen mostly around Southern California and Florida, probably because that's where so many training exercises take place.
It's amazing what a difference a mustache can make in terms of character.
You two are so down to earth and intelligently smart with a touch of satirical humor. It’s a blessed delight to watch your reactions.Worth my time, my like and a big sub😘. Big Aloha from Honolulu 🥳🥰.
The Abyss was and still is one of the best movies ever. Man, it is emotionally intense as well as beautiful.
For the CPR scene, it's based on a medical phenomena that lead to the medical adage, "You're not dead until you're warm and dead."
@41:37 Catfish unleashed “The Hammer” on Lieutenant Coffey. He wasn’t bullsh-itting earlier when he told Hippy about “The Hammer”. 😁
That's not a bald spot. It's a solar panel for a love machine❤❤❤
Not even a "that's deep" comment about the beginning Nietzsche verse? :^)
The book is a really good read. I recommend it. Coufy, if it is not clear, it narced, ie, nitrigen narcosis, ie, a psychological reaction to too much nitrogen (dissolved) in the blood. The effect is like being stoned and drunk at the same time. All his decision making is suspect and he is suffering from extreme paranoia. He is a danger to himself, his team, the crew and the entire world.
Jammer damaged his tank when he hit the hatchway. That is what caused his mixture to be off.
@45:23 “Thanks for playing, Lieutenant.” - Jay from EOM Reacts would likely say. 😁
I saw this in the theater back in 1989. At that time there was an former navy diver in one of my college classes. I asked him if that breathing liquid instead of air was real or just a movie gimmick. He said it was real thing. That he never did it but that he knew two divers in California that had done it. He was a pretty cool guy. He had some interesting stories to tell.
The cold war was still fresh in peoples' mind in 1989, so the initial Russia paranoia by the Navy Seals rings true.
USSR still existed.
@@zvimur Yes, that was my point. For those that experienced the cold war during at that time the initial Russia paranoia was not unreasonable. Not the crazy / psycho paranoia that came later of course. I was just pointing that out for those who may not be old enough or even alive to remember what it was like in the 80's when came to the Cold War.
@@Malcontent- the crazy paranoia existed from the Fifties, if not earlier.
@@zvimur The movie was made in the 80's. I was addressing how people were feeling about Russia in the 80's. At the time this movie was in theaters. I didn't say the Cold War was ONLY in the 80's. Again, my comment was directed toward those people who are not old enough to remember the Cold War or were not even alive. You are arguing semantics that don't contradict what I said.
The suspense in this movie makes it one of my favorite suspense movie of all time.
"Doppler effect or Doppler shift is the change in frequency of a wave produced by a moving source with respect to an observer." This applies to any wave form (light, sound, radar, etc.), with frequency increasing as the source gets closer, and decreasing with distance. The easiest example is a passing high speed train. The sound's pitch gets higher as the train approaches, then rapidly lower as it passes and moves away. Radar uses it to judge speed by measuring either the rate of increase or decrease in radio waves relative to the transmitter.
Incidentally, that means technically, ranging sonar also uses Doppler as do ultrasound machines (see vascular studies).
The nuke would still, I think, have been devastating.
Water is incompressible, so the pressure wave in the immediate vicinity would propagate the energy in a wide enough zone to do real harm, but it would of course propagate upwards as well, and it would keep going upwards, til it hit the surface and bwam. Very, very big plume with a danger zone round it.
I honestly can't even imagine how dangerous after two miles, but probably pretty dangerous to everyone right overhead.
It's one of my favourite fantasy movies and it even leans right into the happy romantic ending with one of the best movie kisses to wrap it up (imo).
Thanks for reviewing it, folks.
There were 3 movies that came out in 1989 that all had the same scenario....underwater Sci-Fi/horror. The Abyss, Deep Star Six and Leviathan.
"Doppler" has to do with the relative difference in speed between two objects generally measured relative to the speed of light (for astronomical measurements) but the same effect is used for Sonar and Radar detection techniques.
The theatrical version omits all the scenes showing the tensions between Russia and the US, as well as the aliens threatening the world with tidal waves. The seals bring the nuke on board, Coffey goes nuts, Bud goes down to disarm the bomb, the aliens save him, then they bring everyone to the surface.
Of the three underwater movies that came around the same time, this, Deepstar Six, and Leviathan, this is the only one that was actually filmed underwater. Most of it was filmed in a giant tank, with the top covered to keep out the light.
Cameron designed the helmets worn by the actors because he wanted to be able to see their faces in the underwater scenes, and for them to be able to talk to each other. They were fully functional diving helmets.I don't know if they would hold up at the depth that the movie was set at, but they worked in the water tank.
Have ya'll ever watched "The Core"? It's an excellent movie.
A hurricane mainly affects a deep dive operation by causing trouble for surface support assets.
Although there is the potential for descending debris from a damaged surface vessel to more directly threaten the dive operation. Such as heavy cranes and stuff breaking off stuff on the surface and impacting the dive location.
Another severely underrated aquatic movie is ‘Underwater’ from 2020 .
Good film
Back in the late 80's I saw a presentation by the tech geeks who worked on the special effects for this movie at an animation festival. It was experimental graphics software (what we now know as CGI) on an Apple Macintosh of the era.
One of my all time favorites this one.
Radar works by listening for radio wave echo. Like radiation it is dampened under water and doesn't work well there. Sonar is sound echo like with bats or dolphins. Works well under water and because it is listening for the echoes of sound pings it can also hear engines, cavitation sounds, and with a high sensitivity sonar even people talking. Military submarines mostly use it in passive mode (not sending out pings) to not give their own position away. If a sub is pinging actively you know that they feel their position is already compromised and that they don't know where their hostile is, so they go "active."
And yea, you can hear if a compartment is flooded by banging on its hatch. Just listen to the difference in sound from banging an empty or filled bucket.
And shockwaves travel much better under water. If a hand grenade exploded at a safe distance from you on land that would still be a lethal amount of shockwave if you're submerged with it. That's why dynamite fishing works so well (and is highly illegal).
Robotic arms on submersibles were a thing decades before this movie was made.
I always liked the movie Sphere more. It's a Michael Crichton book adaptation sbout people dealing with some unknown while trapped on the bottom of the ocean.
Great film
UOP - that is fantastic.
It's crazy to think we know more about mars then we know about our oceans. We have explored only 10% of the ocean.
Really enjoyed your reaction, this is a great film and I really enjoy it, but during the "news" broadcast at the start of the film, there is an exploding ship.
That ship is HMS Antelope, A type 21 Frigate sunk on 23\24th May 1982 during the Falklands War.
She was hit by two Argentine bombs that failed to detonate, the first 1000lb bomb killed one sailor (Std* Mark Stephens, buried at sea). The second failed to detonate but did start fires on board.
The explosion killed a bomb disposal expert (S\Sgt James Prescott) and seriously wounded another (W\O John Phillips) while they were trying to defuse one of the bombs.
S\Sgt Prescott (RE) was posthumously awarded the Conspicuous Gallantry Medal.
You shall not be forgotten. RIP to all lost in that war.
* I've tried to find what this designation is but have been unable to. I am not a Navy person but do remember the event from the news back then, I got the detailed info from the Royal Naval Association website.
Leviathan is a great underrated under water movie. Brings back some good memories.
Doppler is the phenomenon of waves being compressed when their source is coming toward you, and extended when the source is moving away from you. The waves could be anything, but mostly we use the effect for practical reasons in sound or light waves. You can hear the Doppler effect when sound waves from a traveling vehicle, like a train blowing its whistle, where the pitch of the sound increases to a higher level as it approaches you, then decreases as it passes and moves away from you. You can see the Doppler effect in the light spectrum of galaxies, where ones that are flying away from us with the expansion of the universe have a shift of their light wavelengths toward the red, and the few moving toward us have a shift toward the blue.
I guess there is such a thing called Doppler radar, but it's only called that because that's how the radar measures distances and movements of objects it pings off of. Higher frequency pings, the object's approaching. Lower frequency pings, it's moving away.
48:35 The only time in the whole movie he ever picked a fight with her.
Ed Harris was amazing in this movie one of my favorites
Actually, that massive cord would outweigh the crane.
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Yeah it makes it lighter but still heavier than an unanchored crane.
decompression is like open a bottle of soda, when you do it quick you see bubbles appear, you do it very slow so the pressure is released slowly you dont, if they open the lock instant you get air bubbles in your blood, if they slowly bring you to the same pressure you dont get air bubbles in your blood.
This is going to be good. Hope they watching the extended version.
Radar has two modes: Range-Pulse and Doppler.
Range-Pulse is your classic idea of radar (and sonar): Send out a signal pulse and wait for the echo.
Doppler sends out a continuous signal and looks for the distortions caused by movement. That's why it's used as weather radar looking at falling rain.
52:16 you are correct.
You can find a video on TH-cam that talks about what happens to a nuclear explosion in such deep water.
When diving the pressure on the water increases and that causes more gases to dissolve. If you rise to the surface too fast the pressure decreases too fast and the dissolved gasses bubble out and cause intense pain and can kill. The depressurizing chamber gradually reduces pressure which allows dissolved gasses to leave the body tissues. This can take days for the deepest depths and so saturation diving was created where divers live for a month in a chamber with the same pressure as the depth they are working at.
Hey guys! I’ve been watching y’all content for quite a while and loved every moment n your reactions. I’m finally commenting because this week I’ve binge watched “For All Mankind” this week and there’s a particular character in the series that sounds soooooooo much like the Mrs. and every time I hear her voice it sounds just like hers but just a heavy Texas accent lol. She looks like a ginger sister of the Mrs. but the voice is uncanny haha. Not requesting to react to it but if y’all got some time to check it out, go for it. It’s a good sci fi show. Keep up with the great n fun content, much love!
54:31 at that depth, it wouldn't matter what color light he had. By the time you reach 200 feet below the surface, no color is discernible from another; hell, red stops being red after 20 feet. Has to be artistic license on Cameron's part, because there's no way he didn't know that.
Doppler, like for weather tracking, is radar, short for radio array, which uses radio waves. While sonar uses sound, like bats and dolphins use, which travels farther underwater -- whales have been heard communicating between different oceans. Both work underwater, but differently: sound is a pressure wave of the water itself, while radio just beams through water like light.
again the mrs proves what a smart cookie she is. the doppler effect applies to radar and sonar and describes the behavior of waves (sound and light) and how they behave differently whether they're coming toward or away and how fast and the sensors and computers can figure out from doppler data what direction they're moving and how fast.
OMFG!!! I KNEW I knew the female lead!!! It's Tony Montana's sister from Scar Face
Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio
Doppler is radar, that specifically tracks and measures items in the air regarding their relative motion, sonar is sound waves echo location, so bats and dolphins but use sonar. Doppler is radar, but used to track airborne items movement speed, like how fast a rain drop is falling, weather stations use doppler to determine winds speeds inside a cloud.
I love the abyss special edition
Wow! These water aliens really do love our planet's saltwater.
You ask what was invented for the movie. It was the dive helmets. They needed to show the actor's faces, and they needed to have lines. So, some special folks were asked to do it. In fact, these work so well, they have been extended to many dive uses. Oh, and Aliens or other beasties of the water, already have a term, USOs. Unknown submerged objects.
One of my favourites looking forward to seeing what you think
I always found it interesting that the alien city ship had towers around it like the legends of Atlantis say the island city capital had as well.
Doppler (effect) is the effect of motion on frequency or wavelength of a signal. Applies to sonor, radar, lasers, light, etc.
Example: a train's horn sounds higher pitched when the train is approaching, and lower when it is going away. The motion is affecting the frequency/pitch.
In astronomy the color of a star moving away is Doppler shifted to the red (red shift), how much it shifts can indicate the speed.
its still amazing how great this movie turned out considering all the problems making this movie had.
Radar bounces radio waves off of things to find where they are; sonar bounces sound waves off of things to find where they are. Like bats do: make a sound and listen for the echo. Sonar is used under water, because radio waves don’t go very far in water, but sound travels very well. Doppler, in this context, usually refers radar used a lot in weather forecasting, so still radio waves. The “doppler” part is because it’s a radar that can also see how something is moving, not just where it is. It’s also used in some speed traps and radar guns for the same reason; it can tell you the speed of something. The Doppler effect is what you get when, say, an ambulance drives past and you hear the siren going from high pitch as it’s coming toward you, and lower pitch when it’s moving away. Or if you look at a boat slowly sailing, you’ll see the waves it makes in front of it get bunched up and the waves behind get stretched out. Same thing happens with radio waves when they bounces off of something; if it’s coming toward you, the “pitch” will be higher and if it’s moving away it’ll be lower, hence why doppler radar is useful. Same thing again happens with light waves, which is how we know the universe is expanding; far-away galaxies appear redder or “lower pitch”, so they’re moving away from us. Essentially the way we can tell a galaxy is spinning is the same way we can tell a tornado is forming: one side’s moving one way, the other side is moving the other way, and we can tell this due to the Doppler effect.
Bud is thinking "Dang, I should have saved the magnesium flare instead of this stupid Cyalume stick! Why didn't anyone tell me I needed to see in color?!"
Did you guys notice the similarity of the vistas on Bud's visor as he was taken into the city with what we saw on the entry to Jupiter in 2001? It's been remarked on by a number of folks.
The ABYSS first showed James Cameron's deep obsession with the Ocean with this [you may want to forget PIRAHNA 2 the Spawning lol!
putting that aside i thought this was a great movie that i appreciate even more now . great effects and a stellar cast who give it their all in what has been labelled as one of the hardest shoots in Hollywood history .
Great reaction and it makes me want to review some other deep water movies , i'll give Deep Star Six A re watch .
Thanks 👍
James also made a documentary about making this movie called "Under Pressure: Making the Abyss" It's worth the watch for sure! They created (to this day) the worlds largest underwater movie set and did in fact invent all kinds of different technology for this movie, including the underwater masks that let you talk normaly and new types of cameras. The liquid breathing is a real thing, It's been tested with success many times on many different animals, it's never been approved for human use though.
Available right here on youtube.
the restriction for human use was due to the amount of damage lungs incurred the larger the animal they tested it on. Rats were basically fine, from there up you almost had permanent pneumonia and reduced lung capacity.
The other great sci-fi romance is Starman with Jeff Bridges. Must react to it if you haven't seen it already.
This is a TOP TIER 80s movie!!!
I've seen the word doppler used for both sound, radar and light waves.
Its the technique for measuring change in position using wave theory, no matter which medium you use.
Sonar uses sound waves for detection and ranging. Thus the "ping" sound. Echoes of the "ping" off objects is translated into a range and bearing on the contact.
Michael Biehn was under a lot of pressure in The Abyss, but that was really nothing. In "The Seventh Sign", he had to deal with a wife who was about to start Armageddon....the BIBLICAL Armageddon!! Now THAT is pressure!!