It is ironic that the seawall did not have emergency escapes. When the Galveston seawall was built, ladders were built into the wall at equal distances so someone caught below could get up on top.
@@TheParadoxDestroyer Maybe not intelligence, but reflecting and thinking long and hard about the consequences of one's actions. Which is sorely lacking generally.
@@annepoitrineau5650 Trust me, we have our share of people up here getting into dangerous situations by not thinking through their actions. The human condition.
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There are sand dunes all across the state of Michigan. They are just buried under the current levels of topsoil and the wide variety of plants growing there. I had a Geology class at Michigan State University in 1982. To reach the Lansing area, it was estimated to take 10,000 to 20,000 years. To cross the state to reach Lake Huron, Lake Saint Clair, Lake Erie, Saint Clair River, or the Detroit River too 10,000 to 40,000 years. We also have abundant evidence of glaciation across the state. Most are also buried under topsoil and the plants growing there, But there are a few moraines here and there that either were never covered by weather movements of sand and soil, or they were again uncovered. It was 2 and a half MILLION years ago that glaciers started south across Canada and the upper US. The last glacier retreated from Michigan just 12,000 years ago. Geology moves on different times scales.
@3:22 - I think you mean points where the water had *advanced* not receded by a foot or more; if you are talking about shoreline erosion, it is the *shoreline* that has receded.
The same thing happened in Maine. On my honeymoon we traveled up the Maine coast and discovered an inland desert, The Great Maine Desert. It's not as cool as a Southwest Desert but like the Lake Michigan desert it resulted from clear cutting all the timber coupled with inshore winds and sandy soil.
There have been earthquakes. I live in Metro Detroit and I have been here for exactly 2 earthquakes. 1986 I worked at the Dearborn Post Office Vehicle Maintenance Facility, which is built on fill in a formerly slightly swamy area. It is also right next to the railroad tracks. At the time of the earthquake, I had been working here about 10 month, and so had gotten used to the entire building shaking every time a heavy freight train went by. We were near the Ford Rouge Assembly Plant, but what is more important here are the various steel plants near there. There are 7 steel plants within 8 miles, 3 near the Ford Rouge Complex, the biggest one being the former Ford steel plant. So coal trains, which are the heaviest loaded trains of all trains in the US, go by 3 times a week. So when the earthquake hit, I and everyone working there, just assumed a coal train was going by. I had to get home from work to be told there was an earthquake. The next times was nearly 10 years later, and I happened to be driving a car when it hit, and it did not get felt by me since cars are suspended on springs to soften any shaking from the road below. To sum up, Michigan gets earthquakes, but not ones that anyone reports damage from, and can be mistaken for a passing train. While I have worked at the post office in decades, I live next to a railroad track that has a coaltrain go by once a week - also going to the Ford Rouge Complex, just a different route. While they are the loudest trains, the ground here is stable, so there is no shaking of the building I live in. As far as noise, I-94 is just slightly more than a 1/4 miles away, so I live with constant noise. The interstate produces noise 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. Except for a few months in 2020, which was just spooky. Not as spooky as when I had to go pick up a prescription during that same day and see no other cars on the road during daylight hours, 3.5 miles there, and 3.5 miles back, ina major metropolitan area where I would have seen about 4 dozen vehicles if I made that trip at 3 am. I later learned at that time, the people who remove the dead bodies from people's homes and take to morgues, funeral homes, hospitals, pathology labs, and university medical schools were all working as many hours as legally allowed (105 hours a week if working in pairs, 88 hours a week if working solo - usually work in pairs, but from nursing homes and hospitals you can go solo since there will be people there who can be counted on for help, and the same goes for morgues or pathology labs), and the business owner was working 24 hours a day for a few months. Yes, the backup was so bad that some bodies had started noticeable decomp before they were removed (that smell associated with the many days dead). Normally the owner always drives, but he let others drive and that was when he slept. He also said every hospital, morgue, and even a few of the larger nursing homes had refrigerated trailers on site. That took about a year to clear out the refrigerated units. The big bottleneck is that funeral homes are not designed to handle that many funerals at a time. This business also supplied hearses and limousines to the funeral homes, with drivers as needed. There were 22 vehicles, but only 7 drivers, counting the owner. He only owned 2 vans but rented 3 more during that time.
Fantastic story. My direct neighbor is a nurse and works at the local hospital. Like the many nurses who did tiktok videos back then, she had a lot of time on her hands cause the hospital was only 35% full. They were worried that they would go bankrupt due to too few "customers". The hospital in the next town went bankrupt shortly after the events. So: Serious question: Do you live in an area with extremely high air pollution, many obese people, etc? Or was all that hyperbole and exaggeration? Cause global stats don't support your extreme claims, and the only area I heard about that was hit very hard was northern Italy around Milano and Torino (=two biggest industry hubs in Italy with lots of pollution).
If you'd checked, Michigan State University did a program years ago to plant dune grass at Singapore Michigan and the dunes there have stabilized. As to shoreline erosion, most of the winds come out of west and of course this pushes water against the shoreline. Little can be done about that without massive retaining walls.
Around the world The Disappearance of trees has created deserts. There used to be a forest where the Sahara Desert is now. I suspect that is where early man learned how to build a fire.
Inkster. Michigan 1986, in my classroom at my desk I felt like I had vertigo. The ceiling lights were shaking and I told class who noticed lights shaking. I think we just had an earth quake. I turned on my radio and soon it was announced that it was indeed an earthquake. The teacher in next classroom said someone ran over the roof. My class and I knew it was an earthquake but none of other teachers or students realized it. I don't remember the year but in Concord Township I heard a loud noise and felt house sort of tremor. I thought it might be some farm farmer dropping heavy equipment but then thought again ot might be an earthquake. It was and others in area felt it too. There is a fault in Michigan and it's possible that we could significant earthquake. How to prevent erosion along lake shores on small lakes and not affect the environment of the lakes is what I could find information about.
It likely didn't matter, because the town likely would have disappeared anyway. They got their money out of clearing the forests, and the sawmills and town's people may have been relocated anyway to new harvesting areas. In that age, there wasn't reforestation plans when it was cheaper just to move to another old growth forest and harvest it. Once an area had been cleared, farmers may have moved into the areas. Farming and cattle prevented the areas from becoming forests again.
The last time I was at Silver lake. One home owner who had the sand taking over their house removed every year. Has finally given up! The sand has buried half of their beautiful home already! 😢 The sand looked like a mountain and was as high as a 2 or 3 story building.
Its funny how they keep going to the idea that cutting the trees is the reason the sand is moving. They clearly said the sand was moving before the trees were cut.
While this may sound insane to those not from the area, the Greats are surfed. Yes, you need pretty good insulation, but when the winds pick up or a storm is coming, as mentioned in the video, you can get some pretty good waves.
The fire in Chicago didn’t affect Peshtigo. Peshtigo, WI had their own fire the same night as the Chicago fire, only much, much worse. More people died and more of the city had burned to the ground. It just gets overshadowed because Chicago is the bigger city.
From shore city of Holland Mich. Last few years we had historic high water levels causing coastal erosion . This was preceded by record low water evel . Lumber was harvested from the interior of Michigan not the shoreline. Whole video was great big steaming pile of bs.
Were you asleep at the beginning of the video, when they were showing the strong wave activity? If the soil is not resilient (no more root systems etc) it washes away. Having got rid of the trees=nothing to hold back the soil.
Trees along river banks actually increase erosion. That is the reason the Corps of Engineers keeps trees from growing on levees and maintains tall grasses that protect the soil when water raises. Moving water removes sand and soil if it's exposed with no grassy vegetation.
As the flow undercuts the bank, the stream widens and the water's force on the bank decreases slowing erosion. A stream of water is amorphous, no matter how solid it looks to the eye. It follows different dynamics laws and cannot be compressed . Then the bank collapses and the shoreline is ephemerally back in place due for more erosion. Trees roots cause drag and deflect water that rocky or sandy bank materials do not.
From Chicago, used to go to MI Warren Dunes for day/wkend trips in summer. Every yr, it was always different from the prior visit! They are the least stable landscape!
And we’re still doing much the same thing in the Amazon and other locations around the world, and no one believes in climate due to our affect on the world around us
Just because a site is managed by the National Park Service, does not make it a "national park". A national park is a very specific designation -- e.g. Yellowstone, Yosemite, Isle Royal...
5:14 If that is an actual image of the money they printed, they had a problem. Everyone knows that old saying "queer as a three dollar bill" and they were printing those!!! Who would take their money if people thought they were counterfeit? Ones and fives are normal and twos were printed for horse racing bets right? But three dollar bills? Just ain't right.
BY ACCIDENT AND DUMB LUCK, BEACH EROSION AND AN ACCIDENTAL GIFT OF A LAINGSBURGH, MICHIGAN (THANKS ROGER LANDIS, OF PARTS PLANT GM LANSING) ) OF A SNOW FENCE GIFTED, MANIFESTED A SMALL SHORELINED MINI DUNE. IN ONE WINTER SEASON. AWE SOME!
The wood necessary for expansion and profits has to come from somewhere, right? So actions of greed in the past have caused ruination upon descendants in the future? Sounds like the aftermath of the clash between the sudden lack of distance between two points and the need for insular augmentation of one's basic comfort level, somatically speaking.
Every big city around the world had the same fire I get it Chicago was mostly wood that's what history tells us people are stupid look at all the pictures all big stone and bricks they don't burn
I see this with the "controled burning" in Florida. the natural plants have very deep roots which act like a sponge to help prevent flooding, but are burned off every year. Dumb act to burn to prevent fires.
Trees not only provide root systems and wind breaks, they also help hold moisture in the soil. Wet ground is more impervious to wind erosion.
MY SKOOL LET CRITICAL THUNKINGS HEPPEN! SO WHERE DID THE COLORADO RIVERS' AND THE GRAND CANYON'S IMPERVIOUS EXFLUENTS DEPOSIT- - - - - WHERE?
You'd think your point would be obvious, apparently not.
It is ironic that the seawall did not have emergency escapes. When the Galveston seawall was built, ladders were built into the wall at equal distances so someone caught below could get up on top.
It's obvious nobody gave anything much thought in that whole sad story.
Its a matter of intelligence. People living on the Great Lakes are expected to know such things, and if they don't, natural selection kicks in.
@@TheParadoxDestroyer Maybe not intelligence, but reflecting and thinking long and hard about the consequences of one's actions. Which is sorely lacking generally.
@@annepoitrineau5650 Trust me, we have our share of people up here getting into dangerous situations by not thinking through their actions. The human condition.
Greed: the downfall of every empire
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Our greed-fueled capitalistic democracy was ok while it lasted. Now we get to experience a fascist oligarchy for the next 4 years.
There are sand dunes all across the state of Michigan. They are just buried under the current levels of topsoil and the wide variety of plants growing there.
I had a Geology class at Michigan State University in 1982. To reach the Lansing area, it was estimated to take 10,000 to 20,000 years. To cross the state to reach Lake Huron, Lake Saint Clair, Lake Erie, Saint Clair River, or the Detroit River too 10,000 to 40,000 years.
We also have abundant evidence of glaciation across the state. Most are also buried under topsoil and the plants growing there, But there are a few moraines here and there that either were never covered by weather movements of sand and soil, or they were again uncovered. It was 2 and a half MILLION years ago that glaciers started south across Canada and the upper US. The last glacier retreated from Michigan just 12,000 years ago. Geology moves on different times scales.
Your voiceover is OBNOXIOUS !!
Slow down playback speed a bit...😅
@3:22 - I think you mean points where the water had *advanced* not receded by a foot or more; if you are talking about shoreline erosion, it is the *shoreline* that has receded.
Very interesting information!
Interesting video, but was the overly loud voice necessary?
Annoying voice
Turn the volume down a bit. You're welcome.
The same thing happened in Maine. On my honeymoon we traveled up the Maine coast and discovered an inland desert, The Great Maine Desert. It's not as cool as a Southwest Desert but like the Lake Michigan desert it resulted from clear cutting all the timber coupled with inshore winds and sandy soil.
Mother Nature will win every time. We must learn to live by her rules, or she will destroy us,
There have been earthquakes. I live in Metro Detroit and I have been here for exactly 2 earthquakes. 1986 I worked at the Dearborn Post Office Vehicle Maintenance Facility, which is built on fill in a formerly slightly swamy area. It is also right next to the railroad tracks. At the time of the earthquake, I had been working here about 10 month, and so had gotten used to the entire building shaking every time a heavy freight train went by. We were near the Ford Rouge Assembly Plant, but what is more important here are the various steel plants near there. There are 7 steel plants within 8 miles, 3 near the Ford Rouge Complex, the biggest one being the former Ford steel plant. So coal trains, which are the heaviest loaded trains of all trains in the US, go by 3 times a week. So when the earthquake hit, I and everyone working there, just assumed a coal train was going by. I had to get home from work to be told there was an earthquake.
The next times was nearly 10 years later, and I happened to be driving a car when it hit, and it did not get felt by me since cars are suspended on springs to soften any shaking from the road below.
To sum up, Michigan gets earthquakes, but not ones that anyone reports damage from, and can be mistaken for a passing train.
While I have worked at the post office in decades, I live next to a railroad track that has a coaltrain go by once a week - also going to the Ford Rouge Complex, just a different route. While they are the loudest trains, the ground here is stable, so there is no shaking of the building I live in. As far as noise, I-94 is just slightly more than a 1/4 miles away, so I live with constant noise. The interstate produces noise 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. Except for a few months in 2020, which was just spooky. Not as spooky as when I had to go pick up a prescription during that same day and see no other cars on the road during daylight hours, 3.5 miles there, and 3.5 miles back, ina major metropolitan area where I would have seen about 4 dozen vehicles if I made that trip at 3 am. I later learned at that time, the people who remove the dead bodies from people's homes and take to morgues, funeral homes, hospitals, pathology labs, and university medical schools were all working as many hours as legally allowed (105 hours a week if working in pairs, 88 hours a week if working solo - usually work in pairs, but from nursing homes and hospitals you can go solo since there will be people there who can be counted on for help, and the same goes for morgues or pathology labs), and the business owner was working 24 hours a day for a few months. Yes, the backup was so bad that some bodies had started noticeable decomp before they were removed (that smell associated with the many days dead). Normally the owner always drives, but he let others drive and that was when he slept. He also said every hospital, morgue, and even a few of the larger nursing homes had refrigerated trailers on site. That took about a year to clear out the refrigerated units. The big bottleneck is that funeral homes are not designed to handle that many funerals at a time. This business also supplied hearses and limousines to the funeral homes, with drivers as needed. There were 22 vehicles, but only 7 drivers, counting the owner. He only owned 2 vans but rented 3 more during that time.
TL;DR
Go to a publisher if you want to write a book.
Fantastic story. My direct neighbor is a nurse and works at the local hospital.
Like the many nurses who did tiktok videos back then, she had a lot of time on her hands cause the hospital was only 35% full. They were worried that they would go bankrupt due to too few "customers". The hospital in the next town went bankrupt shortly after the events.
So: Serious question: Do you live in an area with extremely high air pollution, many obese people, etc?
Or was all that hyperbole and exaggeration? Cause global stats don't support your extreme claims, and the only area I heard about that was hit very hard was northern Italy around Milano and Torino (=two biggest industry hubs in Italy with lots of pollution).
If you'd checked, Michigan State University did a program years ago to plant dune grass at Singapore Michigan and the dunes there have stabilized. As to shoreline erosion, most of the winds come out of west and of course this pushes water against the shoreline. Little can be done about that without massive retaining walls.
Around the world The Disappearance of trees has created deserts. There used to be a forest where the Sahara Desert is now. I suspect that is where early man learned how to build a fire.
Sumerian tablets say nuclear bombs cleared the land there ! Seriously.
Without trees we're also losing atmospheric protection.
theres actually a new jungle starting to form in the sahara...
@@libbychang413 we can hope.
Old Christmas trees are useful for stabilizing dunes!
Inkster. Michigan 1986, in my classroom at my desk I felt like I had vertigo. The ceiling lights were shaking and I told class who noticed lights shaking. I think we just had an earth quake. I turned on my radio and soon it was announced that it was indeed an earthquake. The teacher in next classroom said someone ran over the roof. My class and I knew it was an earthquake but none of other teachers or students realized it.
I don't remember the year but in Concord Township I heard a loud noise and felt house sort of tremor. I thought it might be some farm farmer dropping heavy equipment but then thought again ot might be an earthquake. It was and others in area felt it too. There is a fault in Michigan and it's possible that we could significant earthquake.
How to prevent erosion along lake shores on small lakes and not affect the environment of the lakes is what I could find information about.
The Michigan side of the Lake Michigan shoreline are my favorite places I have ever…..
So the town was gone with the wind?
YEAH---JUST LIKE TUESDAY!!
BURRIED DUH! OH! THAS A SOUTH ARE NUNN JOKE?
It likely didn't matter, because the town likely would have disappeared anyway. They got their money out of clearing the forests, and the sawmills and town's people may have been relocated anyway to new harvesting areas. In that age, there wasn't reforestation plans when it was cheaper just to move to another old growth forest and harvest it. Once an area had been cleared, farmers may have moved into the areas. Farming and cattle prevented the areas from becoming forests again.
Trees are wonderful and necessary to produce fresh oxygen. Their fallen leaves create a rich soil for other plants, shade and shelter.
The last time I was at Silver lake. One home owner who had the sand taking over their house removed every year. Has finally given up! The sand has buried half of their beautiful home already! 😢 The sand looked like a mountain and was as high as a 2 or 3 story building.
It's funny I just got back to Holland after watching my Great Granddaughter in a Christmas program in Saugatuck.
I lived 13 miles inland in Benzie County, not far west of Traverse City. Our house was built on a sand dune, 13 miles EAST of Lake Michigan.
Why do you think the Manistee National Forest is there ?
You can stop shoreline erosion just need to wake-up!
Very easy!
Great! video!
Very easy? Tell me how, please. I live on the east coast, would love to stop the erosion of my beach property.
@@geraldsims4362 Where on the east coast and the layout.
Absolutely correct. But with some people it's always "not me, let someone else do it".
They aren't "tsunamis" - they are "seiches". The word shows up in frames of this very video.
=== My ears hurt ===
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Ear plugs...and take 2 aspirin.
Its funny how they keep going to the idea that cutting the trees is the reason the sand is moving. They clearly said the sand was moving before the trees were cut.
It's pesh tih go. Same day as chicago fire. 300 miles away.
Cool information. Just a thought. Did the narrator use a backwards compass or are they dyslexic?
I live and grew up on the Great Lakes lol.
While this may sound insane to those not from the area, the Greats are surfed. Yes, you need pretty good insulation, but when the winds pick up or a storm is coming, as mentioned in the video, you can get some pretty good waves.
The fire in Chicago didn’t affect Peshtigo. Peshtigo, WI had their own fire the same night as the Chicago fire, only much, much worse. More people died and more of the city had burned to the ground. It just gets overshadowed because Chicago is the bigger city.
1:00 what, no coffee?
From shore city of Holland Mich. Last few years we had historic high water levels causing coastal erosion . This was preceded by record low water evel . Lumber was harvested from the interior of Michigan not the shoreline. Whole video was great big steaming pile of bs.
Why is the coast eroding ?
Were you asleep at the beginning of the video, when they were showing the strong wave activity? If the soil is not resilient (no more root systems etc) it washes away. Having got rid of the trees=nothing to hold back the soil.
No one else was looking when those Barrels were Dumped. Just Chicago..
Trees along river banks actually increase erosion. That is the reason the Corps of Engineers keeps trees from growing on levees and maintains tall grasses that protect the soil when water raises. Moving water removes sand and soil if it's exposed with no grassy vegetation.
As the flow undercuts the bank, the stream widens and the water's force on the bank decreases slowing erosion. A stream of water is amorphous, no matter how solid it looks to the eye. It follows different dynamics laws and cannot be compressed .
Then the bank collapses and the shoreline is ephemerally back in place due for more erosion. Trees roots cause drag and deflect water that rocky or sandy bank materials
do not.
This one is easy to Fix - The US forest service Should Replant All the tree around lake Michigan in one generation the problem can be solve
From Chicago, used to go to MI Warren Dunes for day/wkend trips in summer. Every yr, it was always different from the prior visit! They are the least stable landscape!
I could not listen to that loud voice for more than 30 seconds
So what is going on there ?
“HI, I’M A SHOUTY MAN!”
Sonds like a good investment in reforestation.
And we’re still doing much the same thing in the Amazon and other locations around the world, and no one believes in climate due to our affect on the world around us
Just because a site is managed by the National Park Service, does not make it a "national park". A national park is a very specific designation -- e.g. Yellowstone, Yosemite, Isle Royal...
Don’t confuse Lake Michigamme with Lake Michigan.
5:14 If that is an actual image of the money they printed, they had a problem. Everyone knows that old saying "queer as a three dollar bill" and they were printing those!!! Who would take their money if people thought they were counterfeit? Ones and fives are normal and twos were printed for horse racing bets right? But three dollar bills? Just ain't right.
This should be compulsory school material.
THIS ISWHATTHEY AREDOINGTO THEAMAZONRAINFOREST!
BY ACCIDENT AND DUMB LUCK, BEACH EROSION AND AN ACCIDENTAL GIFT OF A LAINGSBURGH, MICHIGAN (THANKS ROGER LANDIS, OF PARTS PLANT GM LANSING) ) OF A SNOW FENCE GIFTED, MANIFESTED A SMALL SHORELINED MINI DUNE. IN ONE WINTER SEASON. AWE SOME!
Geoengineering is real
The great Chicago fire flames were so high and bright, my great-grandfather saw them from New England.
@8:52 You don't float downstream from Singapore, you float downstream to get there...
The wood necessary for expansion and profits has to come from somewhere, right? So actions of greed in the past have caused ruination upon descendants in the future? Sounds like the aftermath of the clash between the sudden lack of distance between two points and the need for insular augmentation of one's basic comfort level, somatically speaking.
Bill Gates says cut all the trees down !!
WATOP?
I picked up on that too
You got your East and West mixed up for sec there. Lake Michigan is on the Western side of Michigan.
And that is why they are all brick now.
You don't like sharing Great Lakes with another country and neither do Canadians.
Check your east and west designations
Every big city around the world had the same fire I get it Chicago was mostly wood that's what history tells us people are stupid look at all the pictures all big stone and bricks they don't burn
They keep saying east but showing west.
Investment by the State or Federal government could create something wonderful or by "Money Hoarders" to create a Winter Wonderland
Why is the same voice as watop?
NOT TRUE as Lake Michigan and Lake Huron are the same lake.
SAD - Weird shouty-voice commentator. Very annoying - left the site.
Fear fear fear....just use cash instead lol
Use cash
Stop yelling.
Fake photo to make me click on this. I wish I could block all your future posts.
The sound of your voice is super annoying.
I see this with the "controled burning" in Florida. the natural plants have very deep roots which act like a sponge to help prevent flooding, but are burned off every year. Dumb act to burn to prevent fires.