Nice one Nick, I think you're making the right choice in upgrading. The new X version is simply incredible, I can only imagine how nice it'd be to film with this setup.
Not just someone talking about a camera but who actually knows EXACTLY what they're talking about. I've learned a lot from your last video regarding dynamic range, specifically the way companies market 14, 15+ stops etc when in reality it's what's really usable. Valuable content man. I had no choice but to subscribe!
Probably, the former HDR-X process was on a rolling shutter, and so therefore a "secondary" image being taken would be frame-shifted by the difference in timing - thus causing artifacts? Just speculating here...?
Yeah there is a fair range across consumer cameras, each with its own ups and downs. Keep in mind, the FX3 is also APS-C size and delivers a maximum of 4k resolution. There's less vertical space to read out, fewer pixels to delivery, and therefore it can be designed to read out more quickly. EVERY camera is a series of compromises one way or another.
@@ionistudioah yes, FX3 vs FX30 ... I'm not a Sony guy. I agree that 4k as a deliverable is a great place to be. But I also crop in ALL THE TIME from higher-res sensors and appreciate the additional resolution. Your mileage may vary. If the FX3 is great for you and Gareth Edwards, then go make something amazing with it! For me, the V-Raptor really makes my heart sing, and I love using it. A tool is just a tool, but sometimes it can also be an inspiration :-)
@@ionistudio I’ve heard that before, about it being “high maintenance” or “difficult to rig” but I’ve found the exact opposite to be true as I tried to describe here.
I really consider the standard Raptor VV to be superior as without the extended highlight mode it is already approaching 14 stops of usable dynamic range while still having a very fast readout. Which like you stated is similar to the probably most popular camera in the high end realm the Alexa LF. I do value motion cadence, which some would say is a myth. But using an HDR feature that combines two frames that aren't taken at the same time for motion picture is not interesting for me. The Alev3 sensor which is my daily driver is very capable in natural light situations ( I probably shoot 25-50% natural lighting). The Vraptor is probably as good as the Alev3 S35 variation so I imagine it would handle it very well. Of course global shutter is a unique feature and that could be more valuable for specific work. Will be interesting to see Sony's new global shutter FF sensor. The Burano readout speed is certainly disappointing to me and makes the V raptor an ever more compelling choice. I do agree the Raptor, both iterations, is the most run and gun friendly camera that also has a sensor that can compete with the industry standard Alexa LF and Venice 2. Anyways just my 2 cents, very interesting video look forward to watching more on your channel.
You consider the standard V Raptor superior to the X? Why? Whatever your issues with EH, do you understand it’s optional and not mandatory? So if you skip it, V-Raptor X is essentially just like its predecessor just with zero rolling shutter. How could that be worse?
@@renaissancedigital5730 consider that there's a margin for error as well. Sure 0.6 stops is not zero, but in practice they are equivalent. I've used both, have plenty of footage from both, and I can say I haven't had a range issue with either camera. See my noise test video. Any difference is going to be in the shadows, and unless you're consistently pulling 5 stops out of the shadows (in which case WHY did you expose that way???) any difference is negligible in my opinion and experience.
.6 stops isn't a big difference but that is the difference between the RED komodo and Raptor X. It's one of those things where you can say what's a half stop, then what's a full stop. What's good enough. I'd rather have the most dynamic range in standard 24fps especially when it costs less. That's just my 2 cents but I can see why you'd want to have extended highlights as a feature.
Again, I’d query whether it’s truly .6 stops. Look at the latitude tests done by both CVP and CineD in their own lab report which I assume you’re referencing, and you’ll see the X performs almost identically to the standard. I don’t think it’s truly a .6 difference, and the highlight recovery may be playing a role in muddying the imatest chart. That’s exactly why we have other data points like latitude tests.
Very POWERFUL steroids. And as I understand it, they're actively uncovering new ways to exploit the underlying technology, and may push new versions of this feature, or entirely new features, via future firmware updates.
@@GabrielScindian you and me both. I foresee this being my "endgame" camera for a number of years. Sure, the Alexa 35 or Mini LF have better native DR, but are worse on formats, size, etc. I'm a bit shocked that people like to call the Raptor "difficult for run and gun shooting" because it absolutely isn't. I LOVE using this camera each and every day, and I am SO STOKED for the X.
![Great data EVERY time: RED V-Raptor [X] Workflow](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/xP-WIcbFJdU/mqdefault.jpg)
Nice one Nick, I think you're making the right choice in upgrading. The new X version is simply incredible, I can only imagine how nice it'd be to film with this setup.
Will. Be here to pick your thoughts as you document your process man
Thanks!
Those grips look like life
Not just someone talking about a camera but who actually knows EXACTLY what they're talking about. I've learned a lot from your last video regarding dynamic range, specifically the way companies market 14, 15+ stops etc when in reality it's what's really usable. Valuable content man. I had no choice but to subscribe!
Thanks! My upgraded V-Raptor [X] is out for delivery NOW as I write this. So I’ll have more to report soon :-)
The Ursa 12k readout speed at 8k, is 7.8ms
Super 35 sensors are usually faster than full frame
Probably, the former HDR-X process was on a rolling shutter, and so therefore a "secondary" image being taken would be frame-shifted by the difference in timing - thus causing artifacts? Just speculating here...?
Just a small reminder, a really good consumer camera like the fx3 has a rolling shutter readout of 8.7 ms. All the best mate
Yeah there is a fair range across consumer cameras, each with its own ups and downs. Keep in mind, the FX3 is also APS-C size and delivers a maximum of 4k resolution. There's less vertical space to read out, fewer pixels to delivery, and therefore it can be designed to read out more quickly. EVERY camera is a series of compromises one way or another.
@@nick_salazar I'm not trying to be annoying buddy but the fx3 has a full frame sensor. 4k res nowadays is more than enough for the majority of us...
@@ionistudioah yes, FX3 vs FX30 ... I'm not a Sony guy. I agree that 4k as a deliverable is a great place to be. But I also crop in ALL THE TIME from higher-res sensors and appreciate the additional resolution. Your mileage may vary. If the FX3 is great for you and Gareth Edwards, then go make something amazing with it! For me, the V-Raptor really makes my heart sing, and I love using it. A tool is just a tool, but sometimes it can also be an inspiration :-)
@@nick_salazar Enjoy it mate!! I wish I could have one! It's a high maintenance camera and it's meant for team work. Wish you all the best mate 👍
@@ionistudio I’ve heard that before, about it being “high maintenance” or “difficult to rig” but I’ve found the exact opposite to be true as I tried to describe here.
I subscribed
Can you post a link to those side triggers?
They're a one-off set that I made myself. Sorry!
So I’m selling them now! www.fzerocamera.com/plastic
@@nick_salazar would you sell the 3d print file I have carbon fiber PLA
Sorry I'm not selling 3D files at this time.
I really consider the standard Raptor VV to be superior as without the extended highlight mode it is already approaching 14 stops of usable dynamic range while still having a very fast readout. Which like you stated is similar to the probably most popular camera in the high end realm the Alexa LF.
I do value motion cadence, which some would say is a myth. But using an HDR feature that combines two frames that aren't taken at the same time for motion picture is not interesting for me.
The Alev3 sensor which is my daily driver is very capable in natural light situations ( I probably shoot 25-50% natural lighting). The Vraptor is probably as good as the Alev3 S35 variation so I imagine it would handle it very well.
Of course global shutter is a unique feature and that could be more valuable for specific work. Will be interesting to see Sony's new global shutter FF sensor. The Burano readout speed is certainly disappointing to me and makes the V raptor an ever more compelling choice.
I do agree the Raptor, both iterations, is the most run and gun friendly camera that also has a sensor that can compete with the industry standard Alexa LF and Venice 2.
Anyways just my 2 cents, very interesting video look forward to watching more on your channel.
You consider the standard V Raptor superior to the X? Why? Whatever your issues with EH, do you understand it’s optional and not mandatory? So if you skip it, V-Raptor X is essentially just like its predecessor just with zero rolling shutter. How could that be worse?
@@nick_salazar Measurement for the Raptor X was 12.8 while the Raptor got 13.4
@@renaissancedigital5730 consider that there's a margin for error as well. Sure 0.6 stops is not zero, but in practice they are equivalent. I've used both, have plenty of footage from both, and I can say I haven't had a range issue with either camera. See my noise test video. Any difference is going to be in the shadows, and unless you're consistently pulling 5 stops out of the shadows (in which case WHY did you expose that way???) any difference is negligible in my opinion and experience.
.6 stops isn't a big difference but that is the difference between the RED komodo and Raptor X.
It's one of those things where you can say what's a half stop, then what's a full stop. What's good enough.
I'd rather have the most dynamic range in standard 24fps especially when it costs less.
That's just my 2 cents but I can see why you'd want to have extended highlights as a feature.
Again, I’d query whether it’s truly .6 stops. Look at the latitude tests done by both CVP and CineD in their own lab report which I assume you’re referencing, and you’ll see the X performs almost identically to the standard. I don’t think it’s truly a .6 difference, and the highlight recovery may be playing a role in muddying the imatest chart. That’s exactly why we have other data points like latitude tests.
sell me those grips
So I’m selling them now! www.fzerocamera.com/plastic
So HDRX on steroids
Very POWERFUL steroids. And as I understand it, they're actively uncovering new ways to exploit the underlying technology, and may push new versions of this feature, or entirely new features, via future firmware updates.
@@nick_salazar I already know I will have the v-raptor x or xl. I am due for an upgrade
@@GabrielScindian you and me both. I foresee this being my "endgame" camera for a number of years. Sure, the Alexa 35 or Mini LF have better native DR, but are worse on formats, size, etc. I'm a bit shocked that people like to call the Raptor "difficult for run and gun shooting" because it absolutely isn't. I LOVE using this camera each and every day, and I am SO STOKED for the X.