I need at least 18 more hours of this. So dialed in, so respectful, and amazing takes that I've never considered. Drew is a top tier podcast guest and a top tier human. This 90+ minutes felt like a brain massage 💆♀️
It's a really funny and insightful point, because for all of the bitter talk from jury members about certain finalists being goats or riding coattails, the absolutely biggest coattail riders are the people who act as cheerleaders for who they want to win, likely as a way to boost their own fame or potential to be a returning player.
I’m of the belief that most people don’t think that analytically* about their vote. Drew is very smart and preceptive, I could see him thinking like this. But I feel most people wouldn’t or would be genuinely big enough survivor fans to vote for who they think played the best game.
Drew has such great insight into his time of Survivor. I love his takes and he never holds back on his opinions like some other modern day Survivor players.
Drew is incredibly strategic and intelligent. Loved hearing about his thoughts on the jury and season 50. It really gave me a good perspective on what new era survivor is actually like vs what we see. Would love to see Drew navigate season 50! How cool would it be to see him align with someone who is also on his level of strategy! :)
Drew is such a great speaker. He sounds like someone with a lot of humility, which is so refreshing to see from someone who is clearly intelligent and accomplished.
Love listening to your conversations with Drew! I mainly listen to the podcasts but came on TH-cam just to comment. Drew has such fascinating and unique perspectives and these are always so fun to hear! Thanks for doing them!
Goosebumps listening to Drew's analysis of emotional players via Andy's example. Fascinating depth to it! Drew is now one of my favorite players from the new era!
Drew’s such a fantastic guest because he’s one of the rare people who can just talk about something and suddenly inspire you to think of what he’s saying in a brand new way that gives you a whole additional level of understanding on the topic. Would love to see both him and Christian (37) on 50 and on the podcast again!
Always love listening to Drew. I know we get a lot of talk about how to change the jury from time to time, but I have never heard a compelling argument. The truth of the matter is that there is no foolproof way to account for all the emotions and egos at play. Just like in the game of Survivor, managing those two aspects is the goal. Survivor juries are not real life juries where there is factual evidence and legal procedure. Survivor is emotion and relationships, and there is simply no way to account for the human element. Even the sequestered jury that Drew advocates for wouldn’t account for his own personal calculus where he himself thought that Austin winning would make Drew look worse in the edit but Austin losing would probably make Drew look better. He still ended up voting Austin because he saw Austin as a friend. He would still have all of those thoughts if he were sequestered. Unless he’s saying that he only thought that way after talking to other jurors. Secondly, Lauren Harpe said that she was always voting Yam Yam over Heidi and Carolyn. She left the game thinking Yam Yam was better than Heidi and Carolyn, which means she would walk into FTC thinking that same thing. There would be no opportunity to ever change her mind if she were sequestered. I truly don’t think a sequestered jury will ever make a jury more open-minded by the time they get to FTC. Without any kind of counter arguments, they will probably just be more likely to stick to their own feelings when they were voted out. A player like Andy will essentially never have a chance to change perception with a sequestered jury. It’s not very likely with the current jury format either or in general, but there’s a chance. For all the talk about jury changes, I have yet to see a solution that doesn’t simply boil down to “make a better perception amongst the jurors and you win.” If jurors think highly of you and want you to succeed then that’s part of the social politics of the game. Sure, are some players going to deal with less fortuitous juries? Yeah. But that’s part of the game just like tribe swaps or getting stuck on a tribe full of people less likely to befriend you. There is no way to account for all of that bias, emotion, and ego. Navigating all of those is the game of Survivor. As always, it’s a pleasure listening to Drew. I enjoy his perspective on the game and he always gets the brain juices flowing. I still want to see a discussion between Drew and Shannon about split votes 😂
Michigan survivors from the New Era (people listed on CBS profiles either with a Michigan hometown or current residence)- Marya Sherron 42 (Hometown- Lansing, MI) Drew Basile 45 (Hometown- Birmingham, MI) Liz Wilcox 46 (Hometown- Luther, MI) Kenzie Petty 46 (Hometown- Gibraltar, MI) Kyle Ostwald 47 (Cheboygan, MI) Rachel Lamont 47 (Southfield, MI)
🏝️🏖️Aloha frm Hawaii. I put "Drew on Jeopardy" on utube. Loved his week on show. Best show ever! Drew is super smart!😊🎉 I put up every day & utube took down 2 cause t music.
I also think this new era meta game where the "biggest threats" get voted out early in the merge really gives some jury members an inflated ego, as if they played a better game than a perceived "goat" finalist. By definition, if someone makes it farther in the game then you, then they played a better game than you.
drew needs a second season the same way that Wentworth needed a second season. i really feel like witht he way they are editing now and his knowledge + care free dont give a f attitude that he would make very compelling TV. one of the more interesting players of recent memory
Agree with most of Drew's take, but Kristie Bennet of Au survivor had a stereotype. She was considered a weirdo, lose canon, goat -- something similar to Andy's stereotype. So I do believe there's winnability in that last minute reveal, just that it has to be done in an effective manner, i.e., 1. Be a confident speaker, argue your case with stone cold conviction 2. Have a really surprising move that most of the jury don't know about (eg MaryAnn Oketch) 3. Sit with somebody who won't be as effective as you in articulating his/her game
I don’t think Kristie can pull that off w/o winning the final immunity - it felt like the scale of that win helped create the “momentum” for re-approaching the way she’d played
@mjbreuer maybe or maybe not. Kristie definitely needed that win to ensure she's able to even plead her case before the jury. There's a huge possibility (however stupid it might be) that Lee takes El to ftc had he won. However, even after coming into ftc with that final immunity necklace, the jury seemed to be more dead set on giving Lee the win (unless it really was just the editing making it seem that way). If we are to believe what we were presented with, looked like Kristie was just really able to convince the jury that she approached the game with intentionality and was playing by her awareness of how she was perceived by her competitors. What also helped is how Lee crumbled before the jury making it harder to give him the vote. But yeah, maybe that final immunity win did have a sway, just that the edit really downplayed that I guess.
It was also a Final 2 not a Final 3. It just makes for a totally different dynamic at FTC. There's a true duality to it. You only need to distinguish your game from one other person, and it's often day and night between the two options. If it's a Final 3 of El, Lee and Kristie she is probably finishing third but in a Final 2 she could really plead her case against Lee's game. It was also a lesson in real time for most of the jury. The people that understood the show could really highlight Lee's hypocrisy in front of the group. How could you vote for someone who preached loyalty and honesty when he didn't live by it himself? Kristie understood all of these things and she used what had become the theme of that season against him.
Concerning the Final Individual Immunity challenge for this final episode, will the rules change to not allow individuals to team up to keep a certain person from winning immunity? S46 Liz helping Kenzie beat Maria. Not sure if there has been any discussion on this topic. Any thoughts?
1:16:30 Drew's point here about casting is so valid and a huge reason why modern casts are so stale and boring. Very few jocks. Very few tough individuals. Very few people with rough edges. Very few rural people in general. Has politics really become so divisive that they can only cast urbanites with perfectly sanitized opinions about everything? It's so telling that Kyle, who is actually a great character from rural America, also happens to be a vegetarian/vegan, a strong marker that someone leans left. In the very first season, an openly gay man becomes friends with a conservative Navy SEAL and goes on to win. It seems that the extremely "diverse" nature of modern Survivor is actually totally lacking in diversity when it comes to backgrounds and personalities.
I think we've seen a lot of toxic masculinity from the macho types. Especially in the 20's run of seasons. Just a lot of bad and/or questionable people. I don't think it's a conservative thing but more something about not wanting racist, homophobic or misogynistic people on the show. But I agree that it's sad that it excludes finding unique people like Rudy and Keith. Though at the same time I think it's great to exclude people like Joe Anglim, most of the Fiji and One World casts and the John Rocker's of the world. Including those types really ostracizes other types of people in the game which we have seen many times. It makes some people have bad experiences that are unrelated to the game.
I agree, if Rachel wins final 4 she doesn't need to make fire. She's played to good of a game, why even risk fire. Put Sam against whoever is most likely to beat him in fire
The obsession with firemaking is my least favorite aspect of the new era. Unless you are personally responsible for eliminating the big threat to win by making fire, it really shouldn't even be a factor.
Caroline is this season's Erika with the underdog alliance and the Tuku 4. She almost made it all the way to the end if she only pivot and shifted the target to someone else or used Rachel's block a vote or Sue's idol.
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I need at least 18 more hours of this. So dialed in, so respectful, and amazing takes that I've never considered. Drew is a top tier podcast guest and a top tier human. This 90+ minutes felt like a brain massage 💆♀️
Drew is always such a fantastic guest. Doesn't hold anything back and sheds new light on current discourse
Such insightful stuff about jury motivations. Feel so much smarter after having watched this.
Yes hearing the jury motivation thoughts was so insightful. One of the most informative things I’ve heard about survivor.
It's a really funny and insightful point, because for all of the bitter talk from jury members about certain finalists being goats or riding coattails, the absolutely biggest coattail riders are the people who act as cheerleaders for who they want to win, likely as a way to boost their own fame or potential to be a returning player.
I’m of the belief that most people don’t think that analytically* about their vote. Drew is very smart and preceptive, I could see him thinking like this. But I feel most people wouldn’t or would be genuinely big enough survivor fans to vote for who they think played the best game.
Drew openly talking about the addiction of the attention was so cool! Only seen a few players talk about this
my favorite RHAP guest!!!
this dude is so smart and such a great guest 😭🫶
He is !! And well read. Huge fan.
Drew is a top 5 podcast guest for sure, always love him!
drew’s the only guest who I can listen to for an hour and a half straight. great pod
Drew’s Jeopardy run made me realize he has to be on 50, insightful, well spoken, people either love him or hate him
Love him and I always knew.
Nothing better than a confident dude that is smart !!
I would definitely vote for Drew to be on Season 50
It’s a shame it’s taken so long for people to realize how good of a character he is and that he SAVED his season from being a total train wreck
Drew is fascinating to listen to. Truly a top tier podcast guest.
Drew has such great insight into his time of Survivor. I love his takes and he never holds back on his opinions like some other modern day Survivor players.
love drew on the podcast
Always a treat to listen to Drew. Sharp takes and straight shooting. Thanks for bringing him on regularly Rob!
Drew is hands down my favorite guest with Rob!!!
Drew is incredibly strategic and intelligent. Loved hearing about his thoughts on the jury and season 50. It really gave me a good perspective on what new era survivor is actually like vs what we see. Would love to see Drew navigate season 50! How cool would it be to see him align with someone who is also on his level of strategy! :)
Great show! Drew explained some big concepts in a way that made it very easy to understand. I appreciate that!
Drew is one of the best at analyzing Survivor. He has such good reads on the game
Drew is such a great speaker. He sounds like someone with a lot of humility, which is so refreshing to see from someone who is clearly intelligent and accomplished.
Always enjoy hearing from Drew!
Always a pleasure to watch Drew❤️
Love listening to your conversations with Drew! I mainly listen to the podcasts but came on TH-cam just to comment. Drew has such fascinating and unique perspectives and these are always so fun to hear! Thanks for doing them!
Drew Basile best survivor commentator
Goosebumps listening to Drew's analysis of emotional players via Andy's example. Fascinating depth to it!
Drew is now one of my favorite players from the new era!
Yeahhh Michigan!! ✋🏻
Go Lions! 😁
Great interview with Drew, as always!
Drew’s such a fantastic guest because he’s one of the rare people who can just talk about something and suddenly inspire you to think of what he’s saying in a brand new way that gives you a whole additional level of understanding on the topic. Would love to see both him and Christian (37) on 50 and on the podcast again!
Drew is fantastic!!! I get so excited to hear from him! His takes are incredible
I go to the same school as Drew and imagine my surprise when he walked into my lecture lol
Always love listening to Drew.
I know we get a lot of talk about how to change the jury from time to time, but I have never heard a compelling argument. The truth of the matter is that there is no foolproof way to account for all the emotions and egos at play. Just like in the game of Survivor, managing those two aspects is the goal. Survivor juries are not real life juries where there is factual evidence and legal procedure. Survivor is emotion and relationships, and there is simply no way to account for the human element.
Even the sequestered jury that Drew advocates for wouldn’t account for his own personal calculus where he himself thought that Austin winning would make Drew look worse in the edit but Austin losing would probably make Drew look better. He still ended up voting Austin because he saw Austin as a friend. He would still have all of those thoughts if he were sequestered. Unless he’s saying that he only thought that way after talking to other jurors.
Secondly, Lauren Harpe said that she was always voting Yam Yam over Heidi and Carolyn. She left the game thinking Yam Yam was better than Heidi and Carolyn, which means she would walk into FTC thinking that same thing. There would be no opportunity to ever change her mind if she were sequestered. I truly don’t think a sequestered jury will ever make a jury more open-minded by the time they get to FTC. Without any kind of counter arguments, they will probably just be more likely to stick to their own feelings when they were voted out. A player like Andy will essentially never have a chance to change perception with a sequestered jury. It’s not very likely with the current jury format either or in general, but there’s a chance.
For all the talk about jury changes, I have yet to see a solution that doesn’t simply boil down to “make a better perception amongst the jurors and you win.” If jurors think highly of you and want you to succeed then that’s part of the social politics of the game. Sure, are some players going to deal with less fortuitous juries? Yeah. But that’s part of the game just like tribe swaps or getting stuck on a tribe full of people less likely to befriend you. There is no way to account for all of that bias, emotion, and ego. Navigating all of those is the game of Survivor.
As always, it’s a pleasure listening to Drew. I enjoy his perspective on the game and he always gets the brain juices flowing. I still want to see a discussion between Drew and Shannon about split votes 😂
30:50 Drew is spot on, such a great guest
Welcome back Drew!
KING DREW RETURNS
Tiffany from Big Brother (Cookout "final woman") says she and Rachel are both from Southfield, MI).
Michigan survivors from the New Era (people listed on CBS profiles either with a Michigan hometown or current residence)-
Marya Sherron 42 (Hometown- Lansing, MI)
Drew Basile 45 (Hometown- Birmingham, MI)
Liz Wilcox 46 (Hometown- Luther, MI)
Kenzie Petty 46 (Hometown- Gibraltar, MI)
Kyle Ostwald 47 (Cheboygan, MI)
Rachel Lamont 47 (Southfield, MI)
Drew makes me feel like it’s impossible to get on Survivor. How can I be more impressive or a better character than him? It’s impossible
Jeopardy goat
Love Drew on the podcast! Such an interesting person plus i usually learn some vocab terms as well 😂
This was so epic!! Huge fan of drew 🫶
Incredible insight!
I’m truly incapable of watching this without thinking of Drew gaming Survivor 50, or really any alumni interview lately!
Let’s not forget that Genevieve and Rome are both gamers. Them getting along isn’t that crazy.
23:45 casually mentions the Reba four were 4 of the 6 most talented players of the season. 😂
🏝️🏖️Aloha frm Hawaii. I put "Drew on Jeopardy" on utube. Loved his week on show. Best show ever! Drew is super smart!😊🎉 I put up every day & utube took down 2 cause t music.
put him on 50
Drew...Yay 👏🏿👍🏿💯
Thanks!
I also think this new era meta game where the "biggest threats" get voted out early in the merge really gives some jury members an inflated ego, as if they played a better game than a perceived "goat" finalist. By definition, if someone makes it farther in the game then you, then they played a better game than you.
Luv the Michigan shout out. Don't forget all the BB 'ganders.
drew needs a second season the same way that Wentworth needed a second season.
i really feel like witht he way they are editing now and his knowledge + care free dont give a f attitude that he would make very compelling TV.
one of the more interesting players of recent memory
Ditto!!!!
truly an underrated fun player
Wait a second, I’m from Michigan. Am I the next great Survivor player? Might also be time for a live show from Detroit!
I would love a Detroit or Grand Rapids live show!
Agree with most of Drew's take, but Kristie Bennet of Au survivor had a stereotype. She was considered a weirdo, lose canon, goat -- something similar to Andy's stereotype. So I do believe there's winnability in that last minute reveal, just that it has to be done in an effective manner, i.e.,
1. Be a confident speaker, argue your case with stone cold conviction
2. Have a really surprising move that most of the jury don't know about (eg MaryAnn Oketch)
3. Sit with somebody who won't be as effective as you in articulating his/her game
I don’t think Kristie can pull that off w/o winning the final immunity - it felt like the scale of that win helped create the “momentum” for re-approaching the way she’d played
@mjbreuer maybe or maybe not. Kristie definitely needed that win to ensure she's able to even plead her case before the jury. There's a huge possibility (however stupid it might be) that Lee takes El to ftc had he won. However, even after coming into ftc with that final immunity necklace, the jury seemed to be more dead set on giving Lee the win (unless it really was just the editing making it seem that way). If we are to believe what we were presented with, looked like Kristie was just really able to convince the jury that she approached the game with intentionality and was playing by her awareness of how she was perceived by her competitors. What also helped is how Lee crumbled before the jury making it harder to give him the vote. But yeah, maybe that final immunity win did have a sway, just that the edit really downplayed that I guess.
It was also a Final 2 not a Final 3. It just makes for a totally different dynamic at FTC. There's a true duality to it. You only need to distinguish your game from one other person, and it's often day and night between the two options. If it's a Final 3 of El, Lee and Kristie she is probably finishing third but in a Final 2 she could really plead her case against Lee's game.
It was also a lesson in real time for most of the jury. The people that understood the show could really highlight Lee's hypocrisy in front of the group. How could you vote for someone who preached loyalty and honesty when he didn't live by it himself? Kristie understood all of these things and she used what had become the theme of that season against him.
Drew needs to be the new host when Jeff eventually steps back.
Concerning the Final Individual Immunity challenge for this final episode, will the rules change to not allow individuals to team up to keep a certain person from winning immunity? S46 Liz helping Kenzie beat Maria. Not sure if there has been any discussion on this topic. Any thoughts?
I hope they have something in place because frankly I think it destroys the integrity of the game.
I would take an end of season/near end breakdown with Drew every year.
Love Drew and I'm obsessed with one of his final takes being that academia is on the way out lmfaooo
1:16:30
Drew's point here about casting is so valid and a huge reason why modern casts are so stale and boring. Very few jocks. Very few tough individuals. Very few people with rough edges. Very few rural people in general. Has politics really become so divisive that they can only cast urbanites with perfectly sanitized opinions about everything? It's so telling that Kyle, who is actually a great character from rural America, also happens to be a vegetarian/vegan, a strong marker that someone leans left. In the very first season, an openly gay man becomes friends with a conservative Navy SEAL and goes on to win. It seems that the extremely "diverse" nature of modern Survivor is actually totally lacking in diversity when it comes to backgrounds and personalities.
I think we've seen a lot of toxic masculinity from the macho types. Especially in the 20's run of seasons. Just a lot of bad and/or questionable people. I don't think it's a conservative thing but more something about not wanting racist, homophobic or misogynistic people on the show. But I agree that it's sad that it excludes finding unique people like Rudy and Keith. Though at the same time I think it's great to exclude people like Joe Anglim, most of the Fiji and One World casts and the John Rocker's of the world.
Including those types really ostracizes other types of people in the game which we have seen many times. It makes some people have bad experiences that are unrelated to the game.
Nice treat 👌
I agree, if Rachel wins final 4 she doesn't need to make fire. She's played to good of a game, why even risk fire. Put Sam against whoever is most likely to beat him in fire
The obsession with firemaking is my least favorite aspect of the new era. Unless you are personally responsible for eliminating the big threat to win by making fire, it really shouldn't even be a factor.
@@marshallscot Agreed!
All these ads are a bit much. Love the content as usual.
We NEED drew on bluesky
I wonder what Drew was in LA with a bunch of survivors for? S50 casting?
Was Austin in the movie Smile 2 ? lol
Sam win
So the jury vote is all about ego?
Was Rachel texting Drew in real time 😂
OHHHHHH. MYYYYYY. GOOOOOOODDDDNESSSSSSS!!!!!! Sooooooooo many adddddddssssss!!!!! 😡
We need final two not final three
Just my opinion
lol vote on Nov 20. Yea, the week before Thanksgiving, haha.
No shoe salesmen on Survivor okay. Hear me out, next Brant Steele, put Al Bundy in it.
Survivor 50 should be in the Amazon! You think you're the ultimate survivor prove it punk. 😂
Caroline is this season's Erika with the underdog alliance and the Tuku 4. She almost made it all the way to the end if she only pivot and shifted the target to someone else or used Rachel's block a vote or Sue's idol.
I dont know , i feel llke the tika 3 was more impressive