Please make an analytical video on Zapffe. Specially, on "The Last Messiah". Additionally, Mainländer, Leopardi, Shestov, Cioran, Benatar can be explored.
I think it's a pertinent subject in our modern lives. The caption to the video "Don't let the gods win" is very beautiful. I hope to become strong enough to live like that
I would count this amongst your masterpieces, along with Nietzsche’s Mistake. Your ability to elaborate on ancient myths and philosophical writings is of the highest order. Thank you for your work.
An important part of the Prometheus myth was neglected in this video: Prometheus also consulted Athena, who placed a butterfuly inside the clay that became humanity, the butterfly being a symbol of the psyche and it's transformative capacity. I would argue this is far more crucial to mankind's redemptive capacity and Prometheus' happiness than the gift of fire. Technology allows man to cultivate their external circumstances but only the inner world of the _seele_ can transmute their suffering into gold. What's more starting is that Athena was born from the forehead of Zeus in a process midwived by Promethus, making her a product of the _cooperation_ between the human and the divine, rather than their antagonism. These sentiments are all facets of the divine drama. The promethean impulse, according to Nietzsche, gives life it's meaning. But it was also the pomethean impulse which killed God; which tied Zeus to an operating table to have his liver removed by science, over successive trials, to test is regenerative properties. Is Prometheus the primordial ubermensch? Or the Last Man himself? Nietzsche presented to us the Greek creation myth as a forward escape plan from nihilism.
Your comment feels Jungian in a sense. I am not very deep into Nietzsche, mythology and Jung so this might be a stretch. But I interpret from what you are saying as we should not only draw inspiration from the rebellious, unreasonable, dionysian Prometheus, and be aware of other parts of the psyche, such as the guiding wisdom of a Athena?
EVERYTHING, suffering teaches you every lesson you will ever learn, hug it close and you will realize that suffering has always been love . Genuinely that which nurtures growth
This video came right after I read Sorrows of Young Werther, and came across the poem of Prometheus by Goethe. Love learning about these myths and references from Iliad.
In most traditions, especially earlier ones, Prometheus is not the creator of mankind (we were born either of Gaia, or created by the gods in general), but still is their benefactor. We can see this is Aeschylus Prometheus Bound. The Titan god did not created humanity, but saw the injustice humans suffered, so decided to help them by giving them godly gifs. I prefer these versions, since he had no reason to help humanity, but still did it anyway.
Thank you for another interesting video. Albert Camus who read Nietzsche extensively might have fought himself very clever but he will never outshine the Master. We can never imagine Sisyphus as happy. Why? As Nietzsche points out, the purpose and what makes life worth living is finding and creating value. Our own value. If we cannot do that then our life looses its meaning. He points out further in "Human all too Human" that there maybe times where suicide may be justified, he refers to various people who lived in times and eras where life was just pointless to them. A unnecessary and pointless struggle. Such is the case of Sisyphus. Suicide would have been entirely justified for Sisyphus. Nietzsche often also spoke of "dying" for things that are higher than life itself. In other words life of the warrior people. Such was the story of the famous Japanese Ronin. With their Master dead (the brain behind the entire operation) there was little to keep them living. We must also never forget that Camus was a communist and therefore heard mentality. There was no point in living under the communist regimes neither as you were just a machine. I cannot agree with Camus, he lacks honour and noble thought.
Very well thought. So that is the reason why i feel so depress when reading camus. Eventhough i do learn some positive lesson from camus. I must admit your comment really nail him on the cross.😅
While listening to that tale of Prometheus, I realized that Prometheus was just as responsible for human's lacking natural survival tools, as he was the overseer of the task. Perhaps and inconsequential detail...
I think they have much more in common than you cautiously laid out. Eve stole a bite of the forbidden apple. It didn't belong to her, and she was told not to eat it. Can anyone own fire for it to be stolen? A sin against God and a crime against Zeus are the same thing. Both of these myths / stories point is the same and it's about keeping us in our place. It's about obedience. However, on an even deeper level they are even more than that. Eve and Prometheus motivations are also basically the same. Eve wanted to better herself and her husband and Prometheus wanted to better humans. Deeper still, it was probably motivated by love; love of oneself and love of others. How else other than the highest motivation (love) can you explain disobeying God or Zeus when you live face to face with them other unless you just say they were rebellious, flawed, tricked or temporarily out of their minds (which doesn't really make sense based on the punishments)? No, both myths / stories originally and somewhat ironically were supposed to teach us of the highest virtue of love above all things even at facing horrible suffering for doing so. However, it seems it was changed to champion knowledge as our highest virtue and the suffering of daring to better ourselves or others without permission.
Another great upload, thank you. I dont believe there is any meaning in suffering. I also hope I'm wrong. Either way, I still get to have coffee and donuts. That's good enough.
I didn't know but apparently TH-cam now has a function to do A/B testing on thumbnails... So it tests out the thumbnails by itself - you happened to see the less popular one, others will see the different one. Then TH-cam decides which one performed the best
He held a poll like a year ago about ancient Greece being violent and picked the least popular option. No a/b testing back then. I don't understand why he does it. We are already subbed when engaging in the community tab. He's preaching to the choir.
@kalamala13151 Dead, nineteenth century, enlightened white guys trying to comfort themselves with their decisions about adopting Modernity. Now, the post modernist are trying to comfort themselves after rejecting science as the truth giver and justify their nihilism.
@@MarcieMercie Lavey's church of satan has more in common with the myths and traditions around Prometheus rather than Christianity. As do luciferians. And masons. How do I know? I'm an orthodox christian, and I'm less ignorant than you.
15:26 why 'Jehovah'? That's an outdated misinterpretation of the Hebrew YHWH/JHVH (ayin-he-waw-he) as it's more likely to be 'Yahweh'/'Jahve' 15:54 where did you get the notion of immortality being taken from humans from?
In regards to the second question, Adam and Eve were immortal as long as they refrained from eating the forbidden fruit. God even warned them not to do it because they would surely die if they did.
@@ourdivinemouseoverlord3308 That's just a very specific interpretation of the Sefer Bereshit in regards to 2:17 and 3:3 (maybe a few others such as the Epistle to the Hebrews 2:14-15) contradicted by 2:9 and 3:22.
Any analysis of Prometheus which does not include the account of Prometheus being freed by Herakles is in my eyes a bad one. Redemption is both possible and necessary.
Spirituality is the biggest scam of the humankind, it's structured to make you believe that once you suffer you're on the right track by making you to endlessly worship, work, seek yet not to find and fail... once you fall into the faith you become the slave not even realizing that you are...
Another question comes up. Does mankind need myths in order to achieve a higher level of greatness? Do we need Gods and stories to find purpose? Do we need to justify our suffering in this way?
Yes. Because as we can see in life, it is very easy to get caught in and define ourselves by baseless and useless neuroses which take us in circles while appearing to move us forward or backward.
This video has been playing out in my mind for a very long time. I cannot agree with this Communist Albert Camus that Sisyphus is happy. Nietzsche points out that happiness is when power is increased and resistance is overcome. Secondly if we look at Nietzsche's eternal reoccurrence formula the basis of which is - if you ever said yes to one joy, then you said yes. to all woe as well as all things are chained and entwined. In Sisyphus's case there is no joy, no elevation of power, only woe. So how can he be happy? This communist, the teacher of equality and that all people must be robots in service of the state is mad. I guess that's who Schopenhauer would have had in mind when he warned people of not reading stupid books. Further this idiot communist did not even believe his own communist ideals personally because as soon as he landed in communist Poland in the 1950's he quickly fled back to the West. He does not even have a backbone this Camus. He was an idiot and a hypocrite. If there is pleasure and purpose in pointless suffering, Camus should have settled down permanently in the Eastern Block!
Could be that Camus interpretation of the myth was metaphorical. Maybe Sisyphus pushing the stone up the mountain for eternity just to have it roll back down is a metaphor for our misplaced efforts during our lifetime and the repetitive nature of man. Maybe in Poland his eyes opened to a whole new world
Maybe Sisyphus happiness is based on the necessary belief in delusion. Maybe that belief is what is necessary for him to not lose his mind as he is eternally tortured
I think people are romanticizing these myths too much to make it about them (the artist or philosopher), trying to cope somehow by bending logic and meaning and whatnot. Are you people insane? Eternal torture doesn't have any meaning or happiness... ITS ETERNAL TORTURE! There is no way to be happy or purposeful in this endeavor. Imagination is not reality, you can imagine flying, but you will never be able to spread your bare arms and fly like a bird. I think people want somehow to have hope and meaning for others suffering, because their brains can't comprehend the horrific torture, so they cope by subconsciously coping with the reality and just go with their day - "Oh this guy that is forever climbing a mountain? Yeah at least he has nice muscles... What's for dinner? Leave me alone idc! What are we gonna eat?"
I FEEL THE SAME WAY... imagine Sisyphus happy? it's torture for a reason, maybe he rationalizes some meaning in this endless torture and tries to convince himself that his WILL is a defiance to the gods but well MEANING DOES NOT EQUATE HAPPINESS, anyways ask yourself... what does it mean to be happy?
You don't have to justify living without a meaning. Whether the meaning with which you associate causes happiness or not alone matters but in most cases, perception of lack any apparent meaning is associated with mental anguish and suffering and we search for meaning to escape it
My friend, you have been fed lies, and now you pass them on as truth. You and the sources you have mentioned all mis Interpret the Genesis narrative entirely. The Greek one also. You have failed to grasp the subject matter. Why don't you let go of what you've been told and start thinking for yourself?
no more philosophy the only philosophy we need is the philosophy of jesus christ about how we are sinners evil we reject his love and word and how he the perfect sacrifice wants us to be happy and he has washed our sins and given us the gift of eternal life listen brother i just want to tell you in your dark times pray to Jesus he changed my life i am under his grace and mercy know the lord and you won t regret i promise brother glory to the lord ✝✝✝✝✝✝☦☦☦☦☦☦☦✝✝
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Please make an analytical video on Zapffe. Specially, on "The Last Messiah".
Additionally, Mainländer, Leopardi, Shestov, Cioran, Benatar can be explored.
I think it's a pertinent subject in our modern lives. The caption to the video "Don't let the gods win" is very beautiful. I hope to become strong enough to live like that
I love the play on “One must imagine Sisyphus happy”. The title killed me when I read it
I would count this amongst your masterpieces, along with Nietzsche’s Mistake. Your ability to elaborate on ancient myths and philosophical writings is of the highest order. Thank you for your work.
really good analysis of this myth, they are full of meaning, would love for you to make more videos like that
An important part of the Prometheus myth was neglected in this video: Prometheus also consulted Athena, who placed a butterfuly inside the clay that became humanity, the butterfly being a symbol of the psyche and it's transformative capacity.
I would argue this is far more crucial to mankind's redemptive capacity and Prometheus' happiness than the gift of fire. Technology allows man to cultivate their external circumstances but only the inner world of the _seele_ can transmute their suffering into gold.
What's more starting is that Athena was born from the forehead of Zeus in a process midwived by Promethus, making her a product of the _cooperation_ between the human and the divine, rather than their antagonism.
These sentiments are all facets of the divine drama.
The promethean impulse, according to Nietzsche, gives life it's meaning.
But it was also the pomethean impulse which killed God; which tied Zeus to an operating table to have his liver removed by science, over successive trials, to test is regenerative properties.
Is Prometheus the primordial ubermensch? Or the Last Man himself?
Nietzsche presented to us the Greek creation myth as a forward escape plan from nihilism.
Great comments, thank you
Your comment feels Jungian in a sense. I am not very deep into Nietzsche, mythology and Jung so this might be a stretch. But I interpret from what you are saying as we should not only draw inspiration from the rebellious, unreasonable, dionysian Prometheus, and be aware of other parts of the psyche, such as the guiding wisdom of a Athena?
EVERYTHING, suffering teaches you every lesson you will ever learn, hug it close and you will realize that suffering has always been love . Genuinely that which nurtures growth
"The truth is, everyone is going to hurt you. You just got to find the ones worth suffering for. "
Bob Marley
Damm. What a video. I swear to god, i watched this video every second untill the end and i feel it. Whoa.
What an insanely powerful video, and just what the doctor ordered.
This video came right after I read Sorrows of Young Werther, and came across the poem of Prometheus by Goethe. Love learning about these myths and references from Iliad.
In most traditions, especially earlier ones, Prometheus is not the creator of mankind (we were born either of Gaia, or created by the gods in general), but still is their benefactor. We can see this is Aeschylus Prometheus Bound. The Titan god did not created humanity, but saw the injustice humans suffered, so decided to help them by giving them godly gifs. I prefer these versions, since he had no reason to help humanity, but still did it anyway.
"So, Heracles.... It's about time."
Thank you for another interesting video. Albert Camus who read Nietzsche extensively might have fought himself very clever but he will never outshine the Master. We can never imagine Sisyphus as happy. Why? As Nietzsche points out, the purpose and what makes life worth living is finding and creating value. Our own value. If we cannot do that then our life looses its meaning. He points out further in "Human all too Human" that there maybe times where suicide may be justified, he refers to various people who lived in times and eras where life was just pointless to them. A unnecessary and pointless struggle. Such is the case of Sisyphus. Suicide would have been entirely justified for Sisyphus. Nietzsche often also spoke of "dying" for things that are higher than life itself. In other words life of the warrior people. Such was the story of the famous Japanese Ronin. With their Master dead (the brain behind the entire operation) there was little to keep them living. We must also never forget that Camus was a communist and therefore heard mentality. There was no point in living under the communist regimes neither as you were just a machine. I cannot agree with Camus, he lacks honour and noble thought.
Very well thought. So that is the reason why i feel so depress when reading camus. Eventhough i do learn some positive lesson from camus. I must admit your comment really nail him on the cross.😅
I immagine Prometheus vindicated, when Heracles freed him and showed humanity was worthy.
While listening to that tale of Prometheus, I realized that Prometheus was just as responsible for human's lacking natural survival tools, as he was the overseer of the task. Perhaps and inconsequential detail...
great work keep it up!
Thanks, will do!
This is a 💎 . Thank you!
Another masterpiece.
and is "chainsed" to a rock . love the accent , great presentation . subbed . cheers .
He who has a why to live for can bear almost any how.
Goethe's poem is wonderful!
I think they have much more in common than you cautiously laid out. Eve stole a bite of the forbidden apple. It didn't belong to her, and she was told not to eat it. Can anyone own fire for it to be stolen? A sin against God and a crime against Zeus are the same thing. Both of these myths / stories point is the same and it's about keeping us in our place. It's about obedience. However, on an even deeper level they are even more than that. Eve and Prometheus motivations are also basically the same. Eve wanted to better herself and her husband and Prometheus wanted to better humans. Deeper still, it was probably motivated by love; love of oneself and love of others. How else other than the highest motivation (love) can you explain disobeying God or Zeus when you live face to face with them other unless you just say they were rebellious, flawed, tricked or temporarily out of their minds (which doesn't really make sense based on the punishments)? No, both myths / stories originally and somewhat ironically were supposed to teach us of the highest virtue of love above all things even at facing horrible suffering for doing so. However, it seems it was changed to champion knowledge as our highest virtue and the suffering of daring to better ourselves or others without permission.
you almost outdid yourself this time. Very good job indeed...
What of the fact that in the course of this famous Twelve Labors, Heracles is said to FREED Prometheus?
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Another great upload, thank you. I dont believe there is any meaning in suffering. I also hope I'm wrong. Either way, I still get to have coffee and donuts. That's good enough.
Are you familiar with Jason Reza Jorjani's works like Prometheism, Prometheus and Atlas, and Lovers of Sophia? Thoughts?
Can't say I am sadly
@@WeltgeistYT probably for the better. Thanks for responding.
Respectfully, I would offer Sophia is wisdom and Logos would be closer to knowledge as these myths / stories are talking about.
imagining prometheus happy is just a sophisticated form of denial........silenus spoke the truth
Are they really so mutually exclusive? Sounds like a two dimensional form of happiness you are invoking.
Not denial but acceptance.
Lol I didn't listen yet, but didn't you pick the least popular thumbnail choice from the comments?
I didn't know but apparently TH-cam now has a function to do A/B testing on thumbnails... So it tests out the thumbnails by itself - you happened to see the less popular one, others will see the different one. Then TH-cam decides which one performed the best
@WeltgeistYT Interesting, I thought it looked liked you had posted it. Looking forward to listening to this later
@@WeltgeistYT That's crazy. Whoever thought of that function needs a raise.
He held a poll like a year ago about ancient Greece being violent and picked the least popular option. No a/b testing back then. I don't understand why he does it. We are already subbed when engaging in the community tab. He's preaching to the choir.
@@ViVeriVniversvmVivusVici I didn't pick the least popular option
What are the names of these paintings?
What differentiates this from Gnosticism?
Not much, as far as I can tell.
I would propose this is talking about Logos or knowledge and Gnosticism saw Sofia or wisdom as a higher virtue in general.
@kalamala13151 Dead, nineteenth century, enlightened white guys trying to comfort themselves with their decisions about adopting Modernity. Now, the post modernist are trying to comfort themselves after rejecting science as the truth giver and justify their nihilism.
Your question should be, What differentiates this from Christianity?? Nothing. It’s same stories told from different perspectives/cultures.
@@MarcieMercie Lavey's church of satan has more in common with the myths and traditions around Prometheus rather than Christianity. As do luciferians. And masons.
How do I know? I'm an orthodox christian, and I'm less ignorant than you.
Gothe would never have emphasized Prometheus' sacrifice because it would have likened him to Christ.
Great point!
"Making death a victory" the narrative of Christianity. Irony
15:26 why 'Jehovah'? That's an outdated misinterpretation of the Hebrew YHWH/JHVH (ayin-he-waw-he) as it's more likely to be 'Yahweh'/'Jahve'
15:54 where did you get the notion of immortality being taken from humans from?
In regards to the second question, Adam and Eve were immortal as long as they refrained from eating the forbidden fruit. God even warned them not to do it because they would surely die if they did.
@@ourdivinemouseoverlord3308 That's just a very specific interpretation of the Sefer Bereshit in regards to 2:17 and 3:3 (maybe a few others such as the Epistle to the Hebrews 2:14-15) contradicted by 2:9 and 3:22.
I believe the Titans were the Nephalem... giant, offspring of the fallen Angels...
Any analysis of Prometheus which does not include the account of Prometheus being freed by Herakles is in my eyes a bad one. Redemption is both possible and necessary.
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Spirituality is the biggest scam of the humankind, it's structured to make you believe that once you suffer you're on the right track by making you to endlessly worship, work, seek yet not to find and fail... once you fall into the faith you become the slave not even realizing that you are...
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Zeus was right.
Another question comes up. Does mankind need myths in order to achieve a higher level of greatness? Do we need Gods and stories to find purpose? Do we need to justify our suffering in this way?
Yes. Because as we can see in life, it is very easy to get caught in and define ourselves by baseless and useless neuroses which take us in circles while appearing to move us forward or backward.
This video has been playing out in my mind for a very long time. I cannot agree with this Communist Albert Camus that Sisyphus is happy. Nietzsche points out that happiness is when power is increased and resistance is overcome. Secondly if we look at Nietzsche's eternal reoccurrence formula the basis of which is - if you ever said yes to one joy, then you said yes. to all woe as well as all things are chained and entwined. In Sisyphus's case there is no joy, no elevation of power, only woe. So how can he be happy? This communist, the teacher of equality and that all people must be robots in service of the state is mad. I guess that's who Schopenhauer would have had in mind when he warned people of not reading stupid books. Further this idiot communist did not even believe his own communist ideals personally because as soon as he landed in communist Poland in the 1950's he quickly fled back to the West. He does not even have a backbone this Camus. He was an idiot and a hypocrite. If there is pleasure and purpose in pointless suffering, Camus should have settled down permanently in the Eastern Block!
That is an interesting criticism
Could be that Camus interpretation of the myth was metaphorical. Maybe Sisyphus pushing the stone up the mountain for eternity just to have it roll back down is a metaphor for our misplaced efforts during our lifetime and the repetitive nature of man. Maybe in Poland his eyes opened to a whole new world
Maybe Sisyphus happiness is based on the necessary belief in delusion. Maybe that belief is what is necessary for him to not lose his mind as he is eternally tortured
@@lukefrombk might be so. But then why live?
@@igorszopinski1822 Another interesting thought, this one though I don't have a response to
I think people are romanticizing these myths too much to make it about them (the artist or philosopher), trying to cope somehow by bending logic and meaning and whatnot. Are you people insane? Eternal torture doesn't have any meaning or happiness... ITS ETERNAL TORTURE! There is no way to be happy or purposeful in this endeavor. Imagination is not reality, you can imagine flying, but you will never be able to spread your bare arms and fly like a bird. I think people want somehow to have hope and meaning for others suffering, because their brains can't comprehend the horrific torture, so they cope by subconsciously coping with the reality and just go with their day - "Oh this guy that is forever climbing a mountain? Yeah at least he has nice muscles... What's for dinner? Leave me alone idc! What are we gonna eat?"
Lol you have such a painfully literal and reductive reading of these things, so no wonder you react this way.
I FEEL THE SAME WAY... imagine Sisyphus happy? it's torture for a reason, maybe he rationalizes some meaning in this endless torture and tries to convince himself that his WILL is a defiance to the gods but well MEANING DOES NOT EQUATE HAPPINESS, anyways ask yourself... what does it mean to be happy?
@@cyriacus73 why do you keep on living?
You don't have to justify living without a meaning. Whether the meaning with which you associate causes happiness or not alone matters but in most cases, perception of lack any apparent meaning is associated with mental anguish and suffering and we search for meaning to escape it
And yet masochists exist….
My friend, you have been fed lies, and now you pass them on as truth. You and the sources you have mentioned all mis Interpret the Genesis narrative entirely. The Greek one also. You have failed to grasp the subject matter. Why don't you let go of what you've been told and start thinking for yourself?
All of you "wise philosophers" strive so ardently to believe in absolutely nothing at all! What a waste! God DO something!
No one believes more in nothingness than christians.
no more philosophy the only philosophy we need is the philosophy of jesus christ about how we are sinners evil we reject his love and word and how he the perfect sacrifice wants us to be happy and he has washed our sins and given us the gift of eternal life listen brother i just want to tell you in your dark times pray to Jesus he changed my life i am under his grace and mercy know the lord and you won t regret i promise brother glory to the lord ✝✝✝✝✝✝☦☦☦☦☦☦☦✝✝
You say this nonsense while having that profile pic.
Edit: lol, he changed it from Nietzsche.
@@nowhereman6019 do you know his story if you really knew his life story instead of his work I would say he is the complete opposite
I don't think Friedrich Nietzsche would agree with you LOL
My guy, are you a bot
Bruh are you schizophrenic or having an Adderall melt down that was a list what the video