Brothers i know you dont have very much following like other philosophical channels but i would like to tell you that you should keep posting no matter what. Im 18 yrs od and i have learnt very much from this channel alone. So thank you very much and if you ever feel you are not getting the attention you deserve then remember there is a 18 yr old boy whose life you have changed completely. Thank you and love you
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For me the most important lesson that I learn from the onion is that no one is saved alone. And if you try to be saved alone, you will fail. In that moment she could have emptied out all of hell. Dostoevsky focuses on the concept of brotherhood in the brothers K, and how the period of human isolation is what we are living in now, and that this is hell, but paradise can come at any moment if we regard our fellow men as our brothers and sisters.
My father was born raised Buddhist. Mother born and raised catholic. I was raised catholic and surrounded by Christians who believe my father was going to Hell. I keep this story as a reminder and comfort. that even though he doesn’t believe, he saved many lives and sacrificed a lot. Even he has a chance of redemption no matter what he faces in the afterlife.
Thanks for doing this video. It's interesting to see how one influenced another in history. Old woman peasant shared the onion story to Fyodor Dostoevsky who wrote it in "The Brothers Karamazov" (1880). Later Ryūnosuke Akutagawa read this story in "The Brothers Karamazov" which inspired him to write his short story "The Spider's Thread" (1918).
The quote you gave at the end can be a tricky one for those unfamiliar with Dostoevsky's faith. In saying that he would choose to Christ over the truth, Dostoevsky is not creating a dichotomy between the two. He is rather affirming the fact that the Truth is a person and not a mere thing. In choosing Christ over what other men rationally deems as the truth, Dostoevsky is placing his heart and faith in the Person who is Truth. Once again, Dostoevsky is attacking man's egoism by going so far as to reject any rational creation of man's mind. Preferring the divinely revealed Truth over the man-created and ego-centric truth.
Well said. I think this metaphysical point can be understood clearly with some qualified platonist terms. The One is the ground of truth (and goodness and beauty), yet is itself beyond it. Christ is the incarnation of this ground of being. He proves that the One is actually a personal trinity, with which human hypostases can be completely reconciled.
The famous guy you don't hear much sbout in terms of belief systems, and clearly the magnitudes big view difference between this and the rest, others also didn't
All shall be redeemed. All or none. We leave no one behind. We walk hand in hand throught the burning coals of hell out the backdoor, ransom paid by our blood sweat and tears. We come back for them, as we ourselves had not been forgotten. By this wonderful uni-verse. "One Song." We shall all sing it. The lyrics are written in our DNA.
what if you have no choice between Christ and the truth? What if there is only truth left? Can one hold courage in the looming presence of eternal hopelessness? it seems for now, I can, but a few of my friends, could not.
Dostoevskys claim that only humans can be artistically cruel is just false in my opinion. I have seen animals also exhibiting this behaviour, like cats playing with their still alive prey.
Yes ( crude ) Nature is rather cruel and evidently flawed , indeed it seems that Nature might have created humans to correct the entire natural system .
@@vexifiz6792 I disagree. Animals are worse than humans because of their lower intelligence. That animals often kill for fun, unprovoked and for no other reason, is not surprising. But a human doing the same is an extreme aberration, even if the casualties are far greater.
@@leebennett1821most people are not, look at our history. Hell you don't even have to look far it doesn't take much to make the most ordinary people commit the worst crimes
tha parable of tha onion would seem to imply dat eternal damnation is a state tha irredeemable compulsively will upon theyselves. would any other sinner roasting dere in tha pit have acted differently than tha old woman, rapaciously clinging to they own source of salvation & unrepentantly denying it to all others? i doubt it; dat sense of unrepentance is tha reason WHY they all in hell to begin with
There is another point to the onion story that you didn't mention: If you will not show grace to others, you are unfit for God's kingdom of grace. Living by grace marks you as a true child of God. Similar to how Jesus said: If you do not forgive others, the Father does not forgive you.
maybe she did not choose egoism or pride, maybe she chose logic, and thought that the onion might not be strong enough to pull such great quantity of people and thought about just saving herself while she can over the suffering of others. what do u think?
Notice, however, that the beggar women could also have been saved if the other sinners had not acted as crabs in a bucket and tried to grab on to her: To curse the individual is to curse the collective because they are one. "That which I do unto the least of my brethern, that I do unto Christ."
Notice, however, that the beggar woman wouldn't have to be saved if effing God didn't create her wicked. Or maybe, it was Adam's fault to still the apple and that's how it all started. Was Adam evil from the get go? Then he was created evil. Then God created evil.
@@jacklondon999 Notice, however, that the beggar woman's eternal soul was never in danger in our little story. It was the damned woman who had once given an onion to a beggar woman. And yes, the instince to "kick out" and save oneself would have alomst been instinctual. And that is the point. By surrendering to the MIRACLE that was happening, the Second Chance Onion, she would have FLOWED to heaven and drawn all those behind her along. She could have TRUSTED. She was HELLBOUND afterall, and obviously in over her head. But no, she stayed an animal and was put down like an animal. Such a shame for someone born a human being.
@@youbetyourwrasse Oh, I can see it now eternal soul. Yes! Internal Soul was blah,blah, blah....That explains everything. Of course. Evil is good especially when god dose it.
@@jacklondon999 It has NOTHING to do with my friend. It has to do with the Internal Man. The Man is is self made with his own mind intellect and rough hands. And such a man does not whine like a baby my friend. Please reread your reply. Do you REALLY wish to be carried away by emotions? Do you SOUND like a man you wish to be? Know you are Divine. A slumbering god. A man whos DNA is alive with occult knowlege. No man gives it to you my friend, so youknow it is uncorrput. NOW GO SEEK WITHIN WHAT SEEKS YOU #AinSoph
I had heard the story and interpreted it as a lesson to "be good for the sake of goodness, not for the sake of salvation", "don't think about deserving salvation, think about being merciful" and "have faith in mercifulness even when it seems it should fail to save you". 1) The personalised God is not the one who can save the woman. It's the small good deed. Why didn't God just use His omnipotent hand instead? Because the point is not power, it's mercy. 2) Egoism (as in the animal drive to put one's survival first) is not the thing that makes the woman fight and cause the small deed to lose its saving power, it's the belief that it's about what one deserves (the human, sensible use of moral reasoning). The onion /was/ indeed for her, and it /was/ chosen because of her action, but as she had given it out of mercy, so it was given to her out of mercy. 3) Refusing to try to save others out of a sense of entitlement, even when /it makes sense/, is the damning sin. There is no element of possibile cooperation in the parable, there is just adding weight to a fragile object. It is obvious that materially she should have fallen if she had held on to the onion along with countless others. Single acts of mercy are frail. The paradox is that she should have trusted her small act would be enough, because it follows a different logic than a mere, materialistic act-consequence proportion. She should have staid merciful because that was the real thing she was holding on to, not the material act itself. Now I'm not sure I am on board with this, especially the last bit. But I can sort of see why it makes sense...
NOTHING OPPOSES LOVE! The opposite of love is [undefined] Hard to believe the same guy who penned The Abolition of Man could come up with something I can imagine seeing on an anarchist's T-shirt. Sheesh.
If the peasant woman did not initially kick off other sinners holding on her feet, how long would it take her to finally do so? That seems to me the real beginning of God's test. The process of redemption is always long and torturing. Whoever could make it to the end is the one who made the same choice at each and every moment of not giving up.
Looking back at the "onion story", although I may see what you are saying, however, I think that this story isn't about the woman, the onion or God, rather about the good natured angel. God gave kind of closure to the guardian angel. God knew the woman, chose the "test" he knew she would fail. He just didn't want the angel to carry on "living" thinking that maybe he didn't do all what he could to save that soul he was to "guard". I think the lesson here, even if you are an angel, you can't save every soul you care about, and it's not your fault. It could a drug addict brother, an alcoholic friend, you may want to help them, but if they are not willing to "grab" the onion, and rather focus on kicking the world around them, there isn't much you can do for them. Cry about it like the wipping angel, but at least you will know that you fought to your last bullet.
Brazillian conservatives like a saying about how our society here is like crabs in a bucket and encourage young people to leave the country. I believe there's a distinction about the proverbial crabs and the sinners, the sinners were looking for salvation, the crabs are implied to bring other crabs down not for their sakes, but for the simple pleasure of not seeing someone being better.
He is merciful to the ones willing to repent. What would his mercy mean if he just gives grace to the worst of sinners who aren't even willing to say sorry or change their ways? It would be meaningless
That's not how it works. We are already in hell. Belief in God is the path out of hell. We are free to choose whether we walk that path or stay where we are.
Abrahamic religions are the most schizophrenic belief systems ever devised. We talk about how 1984 double speak is dystopian and yet its been around since the Ten Commandmants.
@@vizuz So do you think it’s just and merciful to take someone who has done an immense amount of good in the world, toss them in hell and torture them in the worst ways imaginable for eternity, because he simply doesn’t believe in god?
The other grabbing sinners are also egotisical. Not content with merely seeing the evil woman saved, they selfishly risk the entire project seeking to improve their personal situation.
Why does it not disturb you that God created a place where the people he supposedly loves will be tortured for eternity for finite crimes, particularly when this same omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent God created that person and that person's dispositions and has the ability to completely rehabilitate her? Why is this not disturbing?
@@jonsegerros Then what is all the fuss about " Alpha- male-Lobster" ! ? and actually most Ayn Randians whom I know, admire J Peterson and are his audience and somehow consider him one of their own.
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Certain strains of protestantism do this but overall not really. The Orthodox are even cautioned against assuming they are saved, of course they'll assume that their saints are saved and that their church is holy but what religion doesn't? The biggest issue with Christianity or any religious faith is the assumption that they know anything. They don't even know if they're reading their holy books right let alone if they have any legitimacy at all, though I think they do have at least some legitimate truth myself but I don't think the Bible, especially not the ones we have now are inerrant. I mean the protestants that think faith alone saves would call the works and faith Christians heretics and vice versa, there as many interpretations of the Bible as there have been people in existence.
@@Necroman98 If anything it's the elevation of Suffering. To suffer as the Christ did, and all that silliness. This is why Christianity is fading. No one wants to be a Nihilist. The world is wonderful and people are wonderful and we are becoming as gods. KNOW THYSELF and ye shall be saved.
If god is all knowing then presumably he knew the woman would be selfish when offered salvation, and secondly, it's not completely unreasonable for her to not want others to latch onto her opportunity as how much weight can one onion hold? Although one can assume that if she was virtuous that the onion would carry her and the others, or the clingers would slip off as the offer for redemption was hers and not theirs. Maybe god is sadistic and wanted to get her hopes up.
I don’t get his point about claiming it was merciful. Some people are misusing the word merciful… it is not merciful to burn that lady. It isn’t merciful to let that lady do wicked actions. It isn’t merciful to let others be hurt by such wicked actions as well
The fundemental truth of Christianity is that egoism will damn you, but in actual life it paves the royal road to redemption. Because it is by egoism that the necessary ingathering of the personality is acheived that religious experience demands. How deep can your understanding of selflessness really be if you have never driven other people away by your own arrogance? Jesus went to the sinners, the poor, and the infirm. Not to preists and kings because they, by their experince of hardship and egoism, had the potential to be saved. While those who are well off and preserved from mistakes only pretend and pass judgement. It is why Jesus esteemed the lost sheep above those that stayed in the pen in the parable of said sheep. Why the prodigal son is likewise esteemed. Because it takes more virtue to sin and have the courage to repent than not to have sinned in the first place. It is _good intentions,_ not egoism that paves the road to Hell.
The prodigal son parable is the best reason why I'm not a full-blown christian. I disagree. Hardly! Yes, it takes a huge pair to sin and repent, but so it takes discipline to refrain sinful behavior. I'm not arguing the father was wrong in accepting the son, but the prodigal son is PRIVILEGED when compared to the perenially morally correct brothers and sisters. They don't get recognition from their father, injustice it is.
Let me put it this way: suppose a generic merchant is screwed by a deadbeat. For a fluke of destiny, 10 years later, said deadbet has a change of heart and pays him back, meanwhile honest down-to-earth recurrent clients from 10 years later never took advantage of him, why? Because it is wrong, and they would feel terrible doing so. Should the immoral man be celebrated over honest people? No. In a way this parable lays out perverse incentives for society. I can do immoral actions the whole week and confess on a sunday! An ordinary behavior I see too often.
@@MiguelCorreiaDaCunha Maybe so called "morally correct brothers and sisters" were just obedient halfwits and cowards who never even dreamt about stepping out of their assigned boundaries. How do you know?
Have started reading it recently. I was already "spoiled" on the story beforehand and knew that atheist Ivan went mad trying to reason his way to morality. It definitely made me get closer to God, even though I'm pretty religious anyway. Ivan was also written as a warning to russian youth who were becoming increasingly socialist. Did it make you religious, Welt?
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Brothers i know you dont have very much following like other philosophical channels but i would like to tell you that you should keep posting no matter what. Im 18 yrs od and i have learnt very much from this channel alone. So thank you very much and if you ever feel you are not getting the attention you deserve then remember there is a 18 yr old boy whose life you have changed completely. Thank you and love you
He's not a small channel by any stretch
I love weltgeist. It’s one of my favorite philosophy channels. I’ve been subscribed for a couple years, and I’ve seen the subscriber count grow very much over that time. I can’t say for sure, but I think I found the channel when it had 10,000-20,000 subscribers and now it’s 119,000+.
Hi, im the other 18 year old boy whose life is being changed by weltgeist and his videos!
@@cnccmiclarkecocreativemedi7284Compared to some others, he somewhat is
Don’t fucking care
For me the most important lesson that I learn from the onion is that no one is saved alone. And if you try to be saved alone, you will fail. In that moment she could have emptied out all of hell. Dostoevsky focuses on the concept of brotherhood in the brothers K, and how the period of human isolation is what we are living in now, and that this is hell, but paradise can come at any moment if we regard our fellow men as our brothers and sisters.
That last quote about Dostoevsky preferring Christ over the truth if both were separated reminds me of Kierkegaard. Great video!
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My father was born raised Buddhist. Mother born and raised catholic. I was raised catholic and surrounded by Christians who believe my father was going to Hell. I keep this story as a reminder and comfort. that even though he doesn’t believe, he saved many lives and sacrificed a lot. Even he has a chance of redemption no matter what he faces in the afterlife.
Thanks for doing this video. It's interesting to see how one influenced another in history.
Old woman peasant shared the onion story to Fyodor Dostoevsky who wrote it in "The Brothers Karamazov" (1880). Later Ryūnosuke Akutagawa read this story in "The Brothers Karamazov" which inspired him to write his short story "The Spider's Thread" (1918).
Very beautiful writing. Love how you wrap up
I don't think the average 18 yo can pick up "the Brothers Karamasov". It's too heavy, you'll drop it and it will break your toe.
Okay. The top 30%. Good start? :D
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The quote you gave at the end can be a tricky one for those unfamiliar with Dostoevsky's faith.
In saying that he would choose to Christ over the truth, Dostoevsky is not creating a dichotomy between the two. He is rather affirming the fact that the Truth is a person and not a mere thing.
In choosing Christ over what other men rationally deems as the truth, Dostoevsky is placing his heart and faith in the Person who is Truth. Once again, Dostoevsky is attacking man's egoism by going so far as to reject any rational creation of man's mind. Preferring the divinely revealed Truth over the man-created and ego-centric truth.
Well said. I think this metaphysical point can be understood clearly with some qualified platonist terms. The One is the ground of truth (and goodness and beauty), yet is itself beyond it. Christ is the incarnation of this ground of being. He proves that the One is actually a personal trinity, with which human hypostases can be completely reconciled.
The famous guy you don't hear much sbout in terms of belief systems, and clearly the magnitudes big view difference between this and the rest, others also didn't
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My favorite book by Dostoevsky is "The House of The Dead" and I really like the short story called "The Grand Inquisitioner"
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All shall be redeemed. All or none. We leave no one behind. We walk hand in hand throught the burning coals of hell out the backdoor, ransom paid by our blood sweat and tears. We come back for them, as we ourselves had not been forgotten. By this wonderful uni-verse. "One Song." We shall all sing it. The lyrics are written in our DNA.
What book should you start with if you want to read Dostoevsky?
Don't do that yourself.
Crime and punishment
White nights
Start with some of the short novels before tackling one of the big famous ones
Depends on what topics and aspects do you like in books in general
what if you have no choice between Christ and the truth? What if there is only truth left? Can one hold courage in the looming presence of eternal hopelessness? it seems for now, I can, but a few of my friends, could not.
TRUTH includes EVERYTHING OF VALUE thyme 4 a little eternal hoope
Dostoevskys claim that only humans can be artistically cruel is just false in my opinion. I have seen animals also exhibiting this behaviour, like cats playing with their still alive prey.
Yes ( crude ) Nature is rather cruel and evidently flawed , indeed it seems that Nature might have created humans to correct the entire natural system .
Is that artistic though? It is more like an instinct
@@vexifiz6792 I disagree. Animals are worse than humans because of their lower intelligence. That animals often kill for fun, unprovoked and for no other reason, is not surprising. But a human doing the same is an extreme aberration, even if the casualties are far greater.
@@Anon1gh3
Yes. I never understood people that hate humans because they are so "bad" while ignoring animals are not morally superior.
@@siddhartacrowley8759 It's a psyop.
It is my onion, not yours.
I am the 1 being pulled out,
not you.
No sooner than she had spoken this, the onion broke and she fell back into hell ❤
Where are the videos about marx and nietzsche and society?
On the "Marx, Nietzsche, and Society" channel? :D
@youbetyourwrasse there is a vid in this channel that talks about Froyd the sociologist/philosopher. There he promises 2 more vids
Eternal damnation is artistically cruel.
We do it to ourselves. Hell is the self.
As Nietzsche says, Christianity urges forgiveness but secretly desires revenge.
If you need a God to exist for you to be Good then you are not a Good person
@@leebennett1821most people are not, look at our history. Hell you don't even have to look far it doesn't take much to make the most ordinary people commit the worst crimes
tha parable of tha onion would seem to imply dat eternal damnation is a state tha irredeemable compulsively will upon theyselves. would any other sinner roasting dere in tha pit have acted differently than tha old woman, rapaciously clinging to they own source of salvation & unrepentantly denying it to all others? i doubt it; dat sense of unrepentance is tha reason WHY they all in hell to begin with
There is another point to the onion story that you didn't mention: If you will not show grace to others, you are unfit for God's kingdom of grace. Living by grace marks you as a true child of God. Similar to how Jesus said: If you do not forgive others, the Father does not forgive you.
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maybe she did not choose egoism or pride, maybe she chose logic, and thought that the onion might not be strong enough to pull such great quantity of people and thought about just saving herself while she can over the suffering of others. what do u think?
Notice, however, that the beggar women could also have been saved if the other sinners had not acted as crabs in a bucket and tried to grab on to her: To curse the individual is to curse the collective because they are one.
"That which I do unto the least of my brethern, that I do unto Christ."
Notice, however, that the beggar woman wouldn't have to be saved if effing God didn't create her wicked. Or maybe, it was Adam's fault to still the apple and that's how it all started. Was Adam evil from the get go? Then he was created evil. Then God created evil.
@@jacklondon999 Notice, however, that the beggar woman's eternal soul was never in danger in our little story. It was the damned woman who had once given an onion to a beggar woman. And yes, the instince to "kick out" and save oneself would have alomst been instinctual. And that is the point. By surrendering to the MIRACLE that was happening, the Second Chance Onion, she would have FLOWED to heaven and drawn all those behind her along. She could have TRUSTED. She was HELLBOUND afterall, and obviously in over her head. But no, she stayed an animal and was put down like an animal. Such a shame for someone born a human being.
@@youbetyourwrasse Oh, I can see it now eternal soul. Yes! Internal Soul was blah,blah, blah....That explains everything. Of course. Evil is good especially when god dose it.
@@jacklondon999 It has NOTHING to do with my friend. It has to do with the Internal Man. The Man is is self made with his own mind intellect and rough hands. And such a man does not whine like a baby my friend. Please reread your reply. Do you REALLY wish to be carried away by emotions? Do you SOUND like a man you wish to be? Know you are Divine. A slumbering god. A man whos DNA is alive with occult knowlege. No man gives it to you my friend, so youknow it is uncorrput. NOW GO SEEK WITHIN WHAT SEEKS YOU #AinSoph
Love the novel.
I had heard the story and interpreted it as a lesson to "be good for the sake of goodness, not for the sake of salvation", "don't think about deserving salvation, think about being merciful" and "have faith in mercifulness even when it seems it should fail to save you".
1) The personalised God is not the one who can save the woman. It's the small good deed. Why didn't God just use His omnipotent hand instead? Because the point is not power, it's mercy.
2) Egoism (as in the animal drive to put one's survival first) is not the thing that makes the woman fight and cause the small deed to lose its saving power, it's the belief that it's about what one deserves (the human, sensible use of moral reasoning). The onion /was/ indeed for her, and it /was/ chosen because of her action, but as she had given it out of mercy, so it was given to her out of mercy.
3) Refusing to try to save others out of a sense of entitlement, even when /it makes sense/, is the damning sin. There is no element of possibile cooperation in the parable, there is just adding weight to a fragile object. It is obvious that materially she should have fallen if she had held on to the onion along with countless others. Single acts of mercy are frail. The paradox is that she should have trusted her small act would be enough, because it follows a different logic than a mere, materialistic act-consequence proportion. She should have staid merciful because that was the real thing she was holding on to, not the material act itself.
Now I'm not sure I am on board with this, especially the last bit. But I can sort of see why it makes sense...
The opposite of love is not hate, but power.
- C.S. Lewis
These dualitisms are stupid.
@@Anon1gh3
Are you nondualist?
@@ready1fire1aim1 Yes. I'm a monist. Moreover, I'm a Nietzschean.
@@Anon1gh3 Yes. it is thyme to evolve our thought past them. And it's not even vaguely correct. The opposite of love is
NOTHING OPPOSES LOVE! The opposite of love is [undefined] Hard to believe the same guy who penned The Abolition of Man could come up with something I can imagine seeing on an anarchist's T-shirt. Sheesh.
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If the peasant woman did not initially kick off other sinners holding on her feet, how long would it take her to finally do so? That seems to me the real beginning of God's test. The process of redemption is always long and torturing. Whoever could make it to the end is the one who made the same choice at each and every moment of not giving up.
Presupposing an all powerful god makes everything possible. Abracadabra.
Dostoevsky wrote a book. I find hope without him or a god.
Looking back at the "onion story", although I may see what you are saying, however, I think that this story isn't about the woman, the onion or God, rather about the good natured angel. God gave kind of closure to the guardian angel. God knew the woman, chose the "test" he knew she would fail. He just didn't want the angel to carry on "living" thinking that maybe he didn't do all what he could to save that soul he was to "guard". I think the lesson here, even if you are an angel, you can't save every soul you care about, and it's not your fault. It could a drug addict brother, an alcoholic friend, you may want to help them, but if they are not willing to "grab" the onion, and rather focus on kicking the world around them, there isn't much you can do for them. Cry about it like the wipping angel, but at least you will know that you fought to your last bullet.
Brazillian conservatives like a saying about how our society here is like crabs in a bucket and encourage young people to leave the country. I believe there's a distinction about the proverbial crabs and the sinners, the sinners were looking for salvation, the crabs are implied to bring other crabs down not for their sakes, but for the simple pleasure of not seeing someone being better.
I don't see how god could be merciful when he chucks a large portion of his creation in hell for the simple "crime" of not believing in him.
He is merciful to the ones willing to repent. What would his mercy mean if he just gives grace to the worst of sinners who aren't even willing to say sorry or change their ways? It would be meaningless
That's not how it works. We are already in hell. Belief in God is the path out of hell. We are free to choose whether we walk that path or stay where we are.
Religion is a cult.
Abrahamic religions are the most schizophrenic belief systems ever devised. We talk about how 1984 double speak is dystopian and yet its been around since the Ten Commandmants.
@@vizuz So do you think it’s just and merciful to take someone who has done an immense amount of good in the world, toss them in hell and torture them in the worst ways imaginable for eternity, because he simply doesn’t believe in god?
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The other grabbing sinners are also egotisical. Not content with merely seeing the evil woman saved, they selfishly risk the entire project seeking to improve their personal situation.
Can you really blame them?
Kiss up,kick down
Why does it not disturb you that God created a place where the people he supposedly loves will be tortured for eternity for finite crimes, particularly when this same omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent God created that person and that person's dispositions and has the ability to completely rehabilitate her? Why is this not disturbing?
Dostoyevsky's thought contradicts all that Jordan Peterson preaches to his Ayn Randian Right-Wing audience .
He's not a Randian and neither are his fans
@@jonsegerros Then what is all the fuss about " Alpha- male-Lobster" ! ? and actually most Ayn Randians whom I know, admire J Peterson and are his audience and somehow consider him one of their own.
I feel like early JP was just regurgitating Dostoevsky.
JP is not a Christian. He’s more of a servant of his masters.
@@oiausdlkasuldhflaksjdhoiausydo Therefore he is a regular guest at the " Daily Wire "
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Christianity is about the hope of immortality without pain or hardship.*
I find this video extremely reductionist.
Certain strains of protestantism do this but overall not really. The Orthodox are even cautioned against assuming they are saved, of course they'll assume that their saints are saved and that their church is holy but what religion doesn't? The biggest issue with Christianity or any religious faith is the assumption that they know anything. They don't even know if they're reading their holy books right let alone if they have any legitimacy at all, though I think they do have at least some legitimate truth myself but I don't think the Bible, especially not the ones we have now are inerrant. I mean the protestants that think faith alone saves would call the works and faith Christians heretics and vice versa, there as many interpretations of the Bible as there have been people in existence.
@@Necroman98 If anything it's the elevation of Suffering. To suffer as the Christ did, and all that silliness. This is why Christianity is fading. No one wants to be a Nihilist. The world is wonderful and people are wonderful and we are becoming as gods. KNOW THYSELF and ye shall be saved.
Earth=Purgatory
Great ending
If god is all knowing then presumably he knew the woman would be selfish when offered salvation, and secondly, it's not completely unreasonable for her to not want others to latch onto her opportunity as how much weight can one onion hold? Although one can assume that if she was virtuous that the onion would carry her and the others, or the clingers would slip off as the offer for redemption was hers and not theirs. Maybe god is sadistic and wanted to get her hopes up.
I don’t get his point about claiming it was merciful. Some people are misusing the word merciful… it is not merciful to burn that lady. It isn’t merciful to let that lady do wicked actions. It isn’t merciful to let others be hurt by such wicked actions as well
The fundemental truth of Christianity is that egoism will damn you, but in actual life it paves the royal road to redemption. Because it is by egoism that the necessary ingathering of the personality is acheived that religious experience demands. How deep can your understanding of selflessness really be if you have never driven other people away by your own arrogance?
Jesus went to the sinners, the poor, and the infirm. Not to preists and kings because they, by their experince of hardship and egoism, had the potential to be saved. While those who are well off and preserved from mistakes only pretend and pass judgement. It is why Jesus esteemed the lost sheep above those that stayed in the pen in the parable of said sheep. Why the prodigal son is likewise esteemed. Because it takes more virtue to sin and have the courage to repent than not to have sinned in the first place.
It is _good intentions,_ not egoism that paves the road to Hell.
Spiritual self awareness/ self reflection is different from " egoism " .
Religion is a cult.
The prodigal son parable is the best reason why I'm not a full-blown christian. I disagree. Hardly! Yes, it takes a huge pair to sin and repent, but so it takes discipline to refrain sinful behavior. I'm not arguing the father was wrong in accepting the son, but the prodigal son is PRIVILEGED when compared to the perenially morally correct brothers and sisters. They don't get recognition from their father, injustice it is.
Let me put it this way: suppose a generic merchant is screwed by a deadbeat. For a fluke of destiny, 10 years later, said deadbet has a change of heart and pays him back, meanwhile honest down-to-earth recurrent clients from 10 years later never took advantage of him, why? Because it is wrong, and they would feel terrible doing so. Should the immoral man be celebrated over honest people? No.
In a way this parable lays out perverse incentives for society. I can do immoral actions the whole week and confess on a sunday! An ordinary behavior I see too often.
@@MiguelCorreiaDaCunha Maybe so called "morally correct brothers and sisters" were just obedient halfwits and cowards who never even dreamt about stepping out of their assigned boundaries. How do you know?
Did you just promoted Christ?
It's not ogre...
It's never ogre
Nietzsche and Dostoevsky are the best.
TOLSTOY !
Have started reading it recently. I was already "spoiled" on the story beforehand and knew that atheist Ivan went mad trying to reason his way to morality. It definitely made me get closer to God, even though I'm pretty religious anyway. Ivan was also written as a warning to russian youth who were becoming increasingly socialist. Did it make you religious, Welt?