Jamie's Response to Claire's Defiance | Outlander (Sam Heughan, Caitriona Balfe)
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- My dears, following his merciful act of sparing a man who intended to harm his wife at Castle Leoch, we observe that Jamie (Sam Heughan), still angered by Claire's (Caitriona Balfe) disobedience, threatens to punish her. Despite her attempts to escape, he pursues her around the bedroom.
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🎬Outlander (2014): After serving as a British Army nurse in World War II, Claire Randall is enjoying a second honeymoon in Scotland with husband Frank, an MI6 officer looking forward to a new career as an Oxford historian. Suddenly, Claire is transported to 1743 and into a mysterious world where her freedom and life are threatened.
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When he later leaned why she was trying to run away.... to go back to her own time... he felt really horrid for his punishing her and he never stopped feeling guilty at the wrong he did her by punishing her.
It's amazing how much the musical theme can achieve in setting the mood for a scene, isn't it? Now imagine the same scene with a melancholy or a horror musical piece on top.
Bear McCreary's score 🎼 is always that "Third Character"👏👏👏
Hoping the power couple, He & Raya come back & do theme on Final Season 😢😢😢.
As much as we find his actions unacceptable, one has to remember that is what 1700's was like.
This scene is when my respect towards Jamie drop down to zero! I thought he was different with other men in his time. Disgusting!
@@glamsky3257 I lost no respect for Jamie for this. He was right in that Claire came from "easier" times when actions rarely if ever have deadly or near-deadly consequences. She nearly got Jamie and all the other men killed trying to rescue her, and they cannot trust her again until they're sure she really won't do something that foolish again. Jamie says, honestly, that if it were only him whom she nearly got killed, he'd accept her verbal apology and promise not to do it again, but the other men don't feel that way. They need to be able to trust Claire, too, and because of the way life was back then, if Jamie didn't punish her, they would have to. Claire didn't understand that, but Jamie did, so no matter how he felt, he couldn't let her off with just talking about it. His character would seem fake and unbelievable if he'd backed down. I gained respect for him that he explained the situation to Claire first.
Remember at this pint Jamie did not know Claire was a time traveler. He apologized for what he did.
@@rowanaforrest9792 And he's only 23. Corporal punishment is all he's known as a means of discipline.
It’s really not that serious lol just a tv show. Everyone was oppressed in someway. Men had to do the bulk of hard labor as well as fight the wars . That wasn’t really fair. But they don’t complain . Feminism only exists because good men have allowed it to
While it is disgusting, it makes sense. And he always wants to treat her with respect regardless of their differences. So he really had a tough choice to make here.
After this scene, in both the show and the books, he never raised a hand to her again.
I have way too much respect for myself, and I'm stubborn. "You want to floog me? Fine out in the open. In front of everyone. You won't hear anything but breathing from me doing it."
I can’t help but like this scene 😂
I know like dayum 🥵
The music makes it funnier than how it was supposed to be. He later apologized to Claire for doing so which was the right thing to do. Claire didn't deserve to be spanked, she's a grown ass woman. Unfortunately that was the norm in the 1700s.
Eventhough it was a sad reality to women of that time I found myself laughing hard too. 😂
They both learned their lesson.
Yes, they did - and loved each other more afterwards. Anyway men still spank their wives sometimes, and the women accept it and keep loving their husbands. I spanked my late wife twice, once for slapping my face in a fit of unreasonable jealody, and once for drunk driving, and on both occasions we forgave each other and made up and made love to each others, and the next week or more we were even more loving and intimate than usual. :-)
Watching the show, I honestly thought he was joking. I thought he wouldn't really do it. And I got really disappointed with Jamie. But he learned to do better not long after and I liked that about him.
Makes my skin crawl.
😂😂😂
Music makes all the difference
It's so dark, you can't see anything. Skip it.
He had peer pressure she put his men in danger I don't think he needed to use a belt
Highlander manners and ways 😊
Evet şidette karşıyız ama o zamanlar öyleydi ikisinde harikalar claire Jamie SAMHEUGHAN TEK KELİMEYLE HARİKASIN
In the 1700s a woman was considered to be a husbands property and Yes, he could punish her as he saw fit!
Still true today sans the legal acceptance of corporal punishment. Once a woman signs a marriage license by law she and any whit born belong to her husband who is bound by law to clothe, house, nourish and educate his lawful charges. Reading all the old fashioned verbiage descripting state law on marriage responsibilities is an eye opener. High schools should teach matrimonial laws as a mandatory social studies course.
@@ItsMrsWeingartlol, no. A woman and a child are not a man's property.
Period.
But,he was also responsible for any crimes she committed. It's swings and roundabouts.
@@ItsMrsWeingart Actually no, women can make their own decisions and own their own property thank you very much
@@shandrabarnhart1281 / In the 1700s No One in England were allowed to marry out of their Class or someone of a Different Color!
It was an outrageous, horrible, cowardly moment on Jamie's part. Despite 1700s tradition, the harm he caused to Claire was stupid, coming mostly from a gentleman who protected women and was always ready to suffer to the point of death to save them. He hurt Claire, even to the heart, just to give satisfaction to his brother in arms. Soon he realized his unacceptable mistake and made a moving devotion to never hurt her physically again, as a true man should do to the woman in her life, as well as to all of them. Later, when Claire told him that she was from the future and the reason she went to the Craigh na Dun stones, Jamie also showed himself to be a man ahead of her time. Then, Claire finally realized that he was the man of her life. Either way, Caitriona Balfe and Sam Heughan gave us brilliant interpretations of these moments in this epic, landmark, and already classic TV show. God bless these wonderful actors! Greetings from Brazil!
Yes, but giving satisfaction to his brothers in arms in this matter was also a matter of her life and death.
Not "1700s tradition". Tradition makes it sound too much like old habits or written rules slowly being forgotten. This is more like being aware of the actual reality of everyday life than about following "tradition", like "don't be a dangerous moron and run out into traffic for no reason so my brothers have to die to save you", in a modern context. Notice how hard it is to come up with a plausible 21st century equivalent, at least in a western country, we live in easier times yet than Claire came from. An equivalent to their situation might be, "hey we're in Russia so FFS stay hidden so the FSB agents don't find you and kill us all for laughs." Or, "hey this is Afghanistan so don't start doing a belly dance routine in the middle of the local village square while loudly singing the Star Spangled Banner".
She acted, to them, with barely credible foolishness and put them all in mortal danger, so much so that they had to at least consider whether her foolishness was in fact intended betrayal. They didn't yet have "oh she's a time traveller from the comparatively easy world of the 1940s so basically she's a dangerous idiot" to explain her unawareness of obvious risks she caused.
He was not kidding. If she had been a man in these times, and under these circumstances, and in league with basically insurgents, and put the team at this kind of risk, she would be regarded as too dangerous to live, and end up with a knife in her and left in a burn somewhere. If she had been one of them and had a track record of good work, then maybe this one mistake, though dangerous and foolish, would have just earned her a real beating.
That they were willing to trust Jamie and let him administer his idea of discipline, much, much, ever so much gentler, was a mark of their trust in him. Almost certainly that coin would have been good just once.
@@randomobserver8168 Your arguments are really plausible! But on the other hand, there are some things to consider. First, there was no reason to suspect Claire of being a traitor since she married Jamie after being tortured by Randall. Secondly, after a brief and difficult discussion with Jamie, she admitted that he was very brave and risked his own life and the lives of his brothers in arms to rescue her. Then Claire understood the whole situation and asked him for forgiveness. Jamie forgave Claire because the most important thing was to rescue the woman from his life. In Jamie's mind, he also admitted that he was in love with her and that he would do whatever was necessary to save her. Finally, after the couple was alone in the room, Jamie decided to hit and punish Claire mainly to get the attention of her companions, and not himself. Until then, I believe it was an unexpected attitude towards Jamie's characteristics compared to other highlanders. Despite the context that you correctly mentioned, perhaps it was to be expected that a man like Jamie would arrange a false punishment with Claire, a bit theatrical, but enough to convince all his brothers in arms. You are also right to remember 18th century values. Anyway, if I were Jamie, being the man in love with Claire that I have been since the first time I saw her, I wouldn't hit her. Instead, he would celebrate the miracle of making love to her one more night. Come on, with the beautiful Claire played by the wonderful Irish actress Caitríona Balfe, would you miss the opportunity to be close to Paradise?
Omg please go play the white night somewhere else his actions made perfect sense considering the circumstances, time line and the pressure from his men stop acting self righteous and morally superior especially considering the fact that u never had to experience even a fraction of what these men have to live with during this time or did u forget about Jamie's back and what mild offense he committed to earn those scars your ridicules chivalry is nothing more then a luxury of the times that u get to live in 🤮
This scene was funny, y'all reading too much into it...
In the book it was a lot worse than the movie scene and it shows the sad reality for many women of that time. But you're right I couldn't help myself either but to laugh. They make it to look funny but the book is a different story.
@@asiyobellema3795what happened in the book?
@@asiyobellema3795if she’d been turned over to the laird it would’ve been a lot worse. Men were flogged too or did you forget that.
I found it funny too. Some of his off the wall remarks in the process, lightened the whole scene.
He had to prove hes the man ! Per pressure for sure
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So did I. And what's the big deal - even today husbands still spank their wives - over his knees and on her bare bottom - when she endangers her own life and/or that of others. Only he should have used the flat of his hand and on her bare bottom.
In the book, she forgave him too quickly for my liking. 😡
I'ven't read the book. Do you care to elaborate a little how it all went down? Thanks in advance 😊
Jamie leaves the room after the spanking and leaves Claire alone. She is torn by her thoughts, understands him and wants to forgive him, but as soon as she sits on her bottom again, she thinks he should burn in hell. She hardly sleeps that night, partly because of the pain in her bottom and partly because she is so upset. The next morning Jamie tells her not to hide from the others and grabs her chin, whereupon she tries to bite him and he just laughs and says: "You don't know where my hands were last. He tells her to come down, the others will just tease her a bit, which they do. They tease her a bit and say to Jamie that he didn't have to beat her nearly to death and she thinks that no one would have kept their mouth shut during the spanking and is embarrassed. The men all want to pat her bottom and make jokes. All in all, Claire thinks it's bearable.
She does sewing work and says she needs good light for it, so she has an excuse to do it by the window.
Dougal then urges them to move on soon, as they are still on the run from the Redcoats. Claire wants to complete the hour-long ride with dignity and pride, but at some point thinks to herself with her aching backside: to hell with dignity!
She notices that the others are also considerate of her and keep taking little breaks because they need to relieve themselves or the horses need a break and at some point Claire claims that her horse is lame and Claire stays behind alone with Jamie because it's not much further and she wants to punish Jamie with silence the rest of the way.
Jamie manages to calm Claire down with words: He tells many stories from the past and she thinks it was very clever of him to explain, without literally apologizing, that it used to happen to him too that he got a beating from his father or from teachers and other respectable people and that it didn't hurt him/ it didnt last and he mostly deserved it. She becomes curious and asks more and more questions. He tells funny stories about what he has done in the paar and what he has been spanked for and Claire has to laugh too.
There is one story about how he had annoyed his sister and she had broken a jug because of him and he wanted to take the blame for teasing her, but his father had seen everything and knew that Jamie was to blame, so he deserved 2 beatings: one for teasing his sister and one for lying. Jamie then said to his father that he was old enough not to be hit on the butt like a little child but rather with his fist like a grown man and the father said that if he behaved like a little child then he didn't deserve it any other way. Jamie is too proud and doesn't want to make a sound and the father gets exhausted with the beating and at one point yells: "If you'd just make one sound, I'd know you're man enough and I wouldn't have to beat you up any more. Jamie then turns around angrily and shouts: "I wish you'd said that earlier, you old fool.“
If I remember correctly this is the moment when Claire laughs but also feels sorry for Jamie and she says oh Jamie I love you. Jamie then starts laughing and she asks him why he's laughing and he replies: I beat you half to death after you disobeyed my orders and I tell you the worst stories of my life and you say you love me. You're not very sensible but I Like you fine, Sassenach.“
(Or something like that. Unfortunately, it's been more than ten years since I last read it. And English is not my first language. But the story in the book goes something like this)
I think the scene ends when they're watching a pack of wolves from a distance and she thinks it's magical.
@@smartymuller8776 oh wow!! You're awesome and your English is perfect. Thank you so very much for sharing the original book story.
And I can't believe how completely they changed the story in the series. That means the entire series has been altered. Wow!
You are very welcome! And thank you.
I wasn’t sure if I mixed some things from the TV series and the books, but that is mostly it.
What I wanted to add is that Jamie tried to show Claire with the stories about the beatings that he thought his father was always just/fair.
I have not seen all the seasons yet but imo Season 1 sticks very close to the first book. There are quite a few scenes that are written exactly as Diana Gabaldon wrote them in the book. (E.g. in the wedding scene:
“How did you learn to kiss like that?
“I said I was a virgin, no a monk. If I need guidance, I’ll ask”)
I def like most of the changes they made. The wedding episode is especially made very well.
But Ron Moore (is the name, right?) and/or the showrunners knew that they had to do it right to keep a huge amount of fans happy.
But of course there are circumstances that limit the implementing, like the amount of time they have to tell the story.
When is the final season coming out?
We're still waiting on season 7 part 2. Hopefully it'll be released November of this year and the final season 8 next year June Hopefully.
Great scene between Jamie and Claire! It just shows the wonderful chemistry these two great actors have with each other! I found it rather sexy and intimate! And we must not forget how it ended with Jamie crawling back to Claire begging forgiveness and vowing that they’ll always be equal in the future! Just love this show! 💙🤍
Men still spank their wives if they endanger the lives of themselves and others, just as I once spanked my first wife for drunk driving. LO loved her and she accepted it and respected me for it. What's the big deal?
No way. This was reality back then. It was the same for Jamie. If he put the mens lives in danger., their actual LIVES! He would have been punished a well. Wake up to what reality was. We love cushy safe lives. We have no idea what it was like to live like that. It might be like that again one day. As it is for many people in the world today. Think of being a woman in Ukraine right now for example. The time and place calls for different measures for their safety. Or just plain and simple. Lives are lost.
Actually it is reality a woman was her husband's property like a black slave was to there white master's
I feel there is a very real difference between an 'official' punishment for wrong doing from a group, and what this is. She was remorseful and ready to make amends, and if they had required some sort of act of public restitution, she'd have done it. This was just about control and putting her in her place, in a way which damaged her standing with the others in a dangerous way. There can be honor and respect in taking your licks and accepting responsibility, but this was meant to shame her and make her less-than.
@@blatherskitenoir The point I am making is that He grew up in a time in which that was the 'normal' way to handle things like that. He wasn't trying to do wrong. That was what was expected of him as her husband. But after that he came to a different understanding with her and promised to never do that again.
You're completely correct that people in those times were much more inured to hardship and severity, and certainly would not been as upset by this as many people today, but it actually was not the usual way to treat wives or how Jamie would have been raised. No, beating a wife was not illegal, but I have read enough books from the time to know it was seriously disapproved of, something only a coward or a drunkard who couldn't hold his own in a fight with other men would do. Even way back in Shakespeare's Othello, when the other men hear that Othello went so far s to 'what? Strike his WIFE?' they're horrified. True, they can't really do anything about it but the popular conception of the day wasn't actually that it was okay. Outlander is romantic fiction that takes some liberties to make the story more interesting.
I would believe it if a hardened warrior of the time were depicted as hitting his wife RIGHT AT THE MOMENT SHE DEFIED HIM, out of anger and urgency to stop what could become a dangerous situation if she didn't cooperate. I don't buy that he would have waited calmly and calculatedly until it was 'convenient' to punish her in what is depicted as being 'what was expected' when actually it was NOT expected and disapproved of when it occurred.
HOT...can't help it 😂
Siempre gime reacciono mal así a cler y mal zsi a cler igual lo hizo a favor de briana y en. O tra de cler😢
This was a lot different in the book much more brutal
Yeah and Claire forgave him quite quickly in the book. Or at least became friendly with him quicker.. Thats one change I liked better in the series.. That it took Claire a long time to forgive Jamie.
@@myran788 no it was longer in the book she wouldn't talk to jamie and dougal made them walk because he could tell how uncomfortable she was
@@charlotteyoutsey3468 yeah I remember that but in the book when they walked, she started to talk to him in a friendlier manner than in the series. She started to ask him questions about the stories he was telling her (since he was trying to ease the tension between them).. In the series I got the impression that she was still mad as hell when they arrived back to the castle (can’t for my life remember the name now 😂). And then she started talking to him politely but refused to let him lay in the same bed as her. To me that seems longer than in the book.
I’d have left him. If the stones sent her back through time why couldn’t she leave him and the whole 17th century and touch the stone again and travel back to her era?
@@tammytambrella6816 . she couldn't find her way back to the stones
Y el le pega con un cinto.
Ai se estan burlando de cait y sam no la defiende a q si fuera a briana lo hubiera echo
Behave yourselves. It was in another time in another country and besides, all of them are dead. Sorry to burst your bubbles but it is only a story.
This scene is what made me stop watching the show immediately. Jamie´s punishment of Claire might be true to history, but there was NO NEED to put funny, light-hearted music over a scene that portrays domestic violence and is INTENDED to be serious. I can just assume that the showmakers didn´t want to create a dark atmosphere and make Jamie a villain in a story that revolves around the love between him and Claire (and therefore he has to be labeled as the good guy exclusively). But guess what: this is the material you have to deal with. And there is NO WAY domestic violence will (or should) ever be perceived as funny or light-hearted. Claire definitely doesn´t take it that way in the books either. A really bad and damaging move.
It's actually not true to history, unless you mean there have always been couples throughout history with a BDSM kink. It was NOT considered okay for a gentleman to beat his wife. No, it wasn't illegal but that is because they did not have the resources or communications systems to police every drunkard who knocked his wife about. It's clear from the writings FROMTHE TIME that while of course abuse occurred then as now, the usual expectation was that an abused wife would LEAVE her husband, and there's many accounts of people being just as confuses back then as to why SOME wives would forgive and stay with abusers as there are now!
Takes all sorts to make a world. History and society are not homogenous and people's experiences in the past were as varied as their are today. There probably were couples like Claire and Jaime, but they're not in any way representative of the entire era. You can't represent an entire era with only two people!
Eeso es ser hereje😢
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Oh hell no.
This was the part in the book where I literally threw it against the wall.
This is NOT an epic love story, past pretor future. This is textbook abuse and it is absurd that she stayed with him.
mckayge absolutely.
Qué horrible, no tenía idea de que en el libro esta escena fuera tan brutal 😔 es decepcionante, yo como solo he visto la serie, y lo muestran como algo gracioso y casi inofensivo, no lo había tomado tan en serio, y me alegra que lo hayan hecho más ligero en la serie. Sin embargo, al pensar en la cultura y el contexto histórico en que Jamie fue criado, realmente creo poder entenderlo. También creo que es algo que no podría perdonar jamás, y en estos tiempos claramente no es algo “aceptable” bajo ninguna circunstancia, pero en esos tiempos sí lo era…es complicado la verdad jajaja
Stay single, ladies! As a woman, that's the best thing you can do for yourself.
Eso no me gusto en esta cerie el maltrato del marido asia la mujer el machismo wuacala😮😮😮
won't go see this abuse
This scene is when my respect towards Jamie drop down to zero! I thought he was different with other men in his time. Dissapointed.
well he did say that if it was just him he put in danger he wouldn't have done that .... I think he did handle it in a better way than maybe another man would have back then ...however he could have been like my dad if he ever had to giving me a spanking when I was little ...he just couldn't so he would smack his hands and I would cry .... My mom thought I was spanked...she's the one who wanted it done ..... My dad would have thought of other ways like extra chores ..etc.....
I did feel Jamie needed to behave in a " manly" manner(whatever that means) before his comrades, whose lives had really been jeopardized by Claire's rescue.
This notwithstanding, he was in for a surprise to learn the deserved reaction of a true strong and self assured woman: end of her husband's warm bed. His was a harder to bear "punishment".
In this century, Western men who still have not learned that we women are free human beings, not property, might face either jail or😊 strong emotional damage reparation.
@@ceciledemontvert5163 why are we constantly putting men experiencing less pleasure as being a 1:1 with women experiencing pain?
It would've dropped down further if you read the brutality in the book.
@@ss-ds2dn I do not think I get your meaning clearly. Would you like to elaborate please?
Poor Claire. I hate Jamie in this scene.
I hope this show doesn’t get ruined by the woke mob
Muy feo jeimi pegándole con un cinto hombres machistas
Malos en esos tiempos esa parte no me gusta😢😢😢😢
I truly believe this was very realistic back then.....This must be the long lost secret to a long and happy marriage.....when men were men and women respected and loved them deeper them for it ......proofs in the pudding where today's women LOVE THIS SERIES.......LOL...
It is a long lost secret especially when done properly
Yeah i dont think so 😂 if anyone puts their hands on me showing anything other than gentle affection, theyre swallowing their teeth.
Nah this is delulu.
Women simply didn't have options back in the day. Women enjoy this series by actively blocking out this scene
Yeah, that show by even including nudity in even *one* episode, let alone practically *all* of them, is completely vile and totally evil in the conduct *required* of the actors; nobody in good conscience can ever watch that!
His actions are "not unacceptable".
How dare you judge others with today's standards. In my opinion, many of today's behaviors are just as unacceptable. Be fair. Think it through.
Today women can strike a man and not upset the great majority of people. Wring ad can be.