I forgot to mention this is the video but there's also a ridiculous amount of clipping with the models. Might make a separate video about it like a part 2. Hope your enjoying the video!
there is only 1 screen with a clipping model, which is mangle in the right vent. Some genuine feed back (not like the joke comment I left earlier) is that when you over exaggerate small issues, it makes your point come across as salty ranting, rather than an actually explanation as to why this game isn't good. A ton of the problems in this video are real problems, and I couldn't agree more that fnaf 2 isn't as good as people say, but there all blown way out of proportion.
There’s funny clipping in fnaf 1 as well like in the showstage freddy’s endoskeleton “hand” clips through his actual hand as well as the cupcake plate clips into chica’s arm also on the showstage. Not to mention all 3 on stage is the only rendition of showstage that keeps the wall in the background lol.
FNaF 1 starts the nights off slow, letting you slowly grasp the situation and feel afraid at every new thing that happens. 4 minutes into FNaF 2 and you're already juggling 5 animatronics, constantly winding the music box and frantically swapping the mask every 10 seconds. The game doesn't give you the time to feel scared, it just makes you stressed
@@jerakaigamezbut wait a minute in the worst and best parts of every fnaf game video you said that the stress of the fnaf 4 gameplay loop was what made it your favorite game in the series ?
Maybe because you should already know what to do if your playing in order of the trilogy, in fnaf 4 it’s the same thing and in fnaf Sl it needed to introduce new mechanics
@@FnafunCreator Fnaf world is the worst horror game, but other than that it's a charming RPG. The worst Fnaf game is probably FNAF AR, after all, you can't even play it anymore.
14:34 I feel like Toy Bonnie looking cute, excluding the obvious reason why an animatronic made to entertain children would look like that, does look quite creepy in some of it's camera shots. Especially when he's staring at the camera (cam 04), entering the vents (cam 02) and crawling in the vents (cam 06). However his renders actually peeking through the vent and especially sliding across the screen just look so goofy to actually be spooky and you never really get to see the good renders because you can't look off of the music box
they should have done music box as something like ucn original chica,instead of changing music you restart it when music stops,also you dont die immefiatly in camera flip and instead it gives you a timer like how there is a warning sign in current version of fnaf 2 when music box is left free
I have lots of respect for uploaders who have the balls to make videos criticizing beloved pieces of media like games or movies. This was a very well done video! 😁
@@xypherFNAFyeah help wanted included with sl and sb (they are not repetitive). Glad you agree with me, i get people say fnaf 2 is repetitive, but why does the other fnafs get away with that? But even though they can be repetitive, there are so fun.
Actually it has. Someone named 8brayden8 modded the game so all animatronics are actually at 20 AI and then beat it. According to him it’s actually easier than regular 10/20 mode because blackouts will almost always happen so you only need to flash foxy at the beginning of the night
In my opinion, you should only put the mask when a withered appears, because the toys would scan your face and see you are a normal person, but if you put the mask, they would think you are a criminal trying to disguise and they would kill you Edit: Also, i think that the Puppet could go to different cameras from like every 30 secs
I think the other way around, the withereds can see that you're a person wearing a mask but the toys just scan your face and see Freddy. Withered Foxy already has to be countered with the light, forcing you to look through cameras to find and flash the other withereds before they find their way to the office would fit the existing pattern as well as make the cameras useful beyond the puppet
Or maybe the contrary With the Toys using prototype technology with lots of flaws, making them think you're an animatronic and the Withered being able to "See" you instead of Scanning you
I don't know why people HATE Mangle being able to walk on the ceiling when there are literally deceased children ghosts possessing robots, and a man that keeps coming back to life. Her whole climbing mechanic is what sets her apart for me, for others it's probably her mangled appearance, which I love too.
I think most of the fnaf games, especially 2 and 3, really suffered from having to be rushed. But on the other hand I'm really glad that they've been rushed, because if FNAF 2 was released like a whole year after the first game, the hype would've probably ended, and the same thing applies to FNAF 3. Just look at Baldi's Basics: people got hyped to see what the creator was doing to the game, but the updates took long to start coming and so the hype died. When Scott takes more time to make a game, we have games that are (I'd say) inarguably better, like SL or FFPS - even though they have its own flaws, they're clearly more complex games
@@jajaleco I mean, the hype for Baldi’s Basics did kind of comeback with the debut Dr. Reflex, the new shop and items, and adding small but good details.
I also think it would be a nice touch if they had their original jumpscare sounds but more broken down. It doesn’t make sense to me how their jump scare sounds the same as the toy animatronics.
Yeah I like the idea of some animatronics having a negative reaction to the mask so you can’t just spam it. And i think the music box should only be checked and wound up every other hour or so (and ofc increasing in frequency every night). Aswell as getting rid of the warning sign when it’s almost up. That just makes the music box a mindless chore instead of a good mechanic. It would make the puppet feel like more of a looming threat if you had to consciously think about needing to handle it throughout the frantic gameplay, like foxy in fnaf 1 or nightmare freddy in fnaf 4.
i think the warning adds to the stress. you see it, so you know you *have* to act, and quickly however, due to the *everything else*, you're stuck between the immediate threats and a guaranteed death if you're too slow it makes the puppet scarier due to knowing the clock is almost done ticking
I mean, that's the thing, it's supposed to be creepy that these children's play place animatronics are sentient and are trying to kill you. They usually don't LOOK scary but the context of the situation does. These actively DON'T look scary, with or without the context, they just look odd
As a sequel, it's perfect: It expands on the established universe, adds new elements, and ups the ante. In action, tho, it's definitely a bit of a slog. I prefer the Help Wanted version of the game, where I can just jam my finger on the music box button while shining the lights everywhere and grabbing the mask
I agree with this, fnaf 2 is just looping gameplay over and over and over and over and over you get the point. The cameras shouldn’t even exist it should just be a music box. And you have so much battery power it’s stupid.
“why dont the animatronics just attack u when u dont have ur mask on and they are already in ur office” idk bro why dont the animatronics attack u in the first game immediately but instead can stand at the door
26:56 I think it's worth mentioning that the easter egg characters are broken. Y'know how when you see them you just have an awkward staring contest until you change cameras? They're meant to leave after a brief second while a sound effect plays.
I completely agree with this video. You always see people praising this game everywhere and you can notice how they always mention the time it came around in and how it made their teenage years and that sort of stuff. They are just blinded by nostalgia.
I like the idea of the game, being an onslaught of shit-loads of animatronics, causing carnage for you every night. But using the same mechanic for all but 2 animatronics is pretty dumb. Example: the flashlight should've been used for more than just foxy, which wouldve made Balloon Boy into an even bigger threat too. Maybe ALL the older withered moddles need to be strobed with the light instead of masked.
i would recommend fnaf 2: reimagined if you want these mechanics, instead of the mask you use the flashlight on withereds, jumpscares are MUCH better, and the best of all: no balloon boy and the puppet you still have to use cams due to foxy and freddy its also made in roblox somehow oh yeah also theres no gamer fart freddy
My opinion is that the main 5 nights are great, most of the Custom Night presets are fun, and Night 6 and 10/20 are absolute a** (seriously, 27 deaths so far on 10/20 and I still haven't beaten it).
I personally think Toy Chica has the worst design of FNAF 2 not only because of how sexualized it is (I mean seriously, why the fuck would Scott want to color her waist pink and make her torso woman-like), but unpopular opinion, removing the beak doesn’t make her look any scarier to me.
The mask one is just wrong. When you put on the mask, the animatronics see you as an animatronic, thats it. You can't expect them to remember that you weren't a second ago, all they see is another animatronic in front of them. As for the second thing, them not killing you until you open the camera IS the horror aspect. Players won't know whether they were fast enough or not until they do something else, which creates a lot suspence and therefore an even scarier jumpscare.
For the music box I'd have it go down slower the more characters you have active on custom night going for 10/20? the box takes 1 in-game hour to unwind fully, setting only Toy Freddy on 1?, the box unwinds very very fast, I'd additionally have the box slow down when a blackout is occurring also I'd remove Foxy being active even if his ai is 0 and give BB an exclusive joke jumpscare for when he's active and Foxy's not
@@somebody-who-thinks-hes-mature so you enjoy completely random unfair luck based gameplay then? The music box doesn't mitigate the other 10 characters, it just gives more breathing room for the player
@@somebody-who-thinks-hes-mature • Worrying about it constantly • Characters can pull your cams down 4-5 times while trying to wind it • Toy Bonnie can vent camp and make rng a problem for the box
as someone who likes FNAF 2 the best, you have a valid opinion, but I really like this game nonetheless, its the first one I mastered so every other game feels easier in comparison
I'm glad you enjoy it! FNAF 2 has a soft spot in my heart because i remember when the game came out and was super excited! I just find years later its doesnt live up to the hype but I'm glad it exists. Its not like a garten of banban kinda thing where no one values its existance!
These are very good points! Thank you so much for sharing your criticism. I've always wanted an explanation for the dislike of such a well received game.
I agree with this i remember watching FNAF 2 around 8 years ago and I was like wow this looks rally cool and scary! But after actually beating the game, it really does suck, i had like 20+ deaths just on night 5, beacuse i didn't know that you had to pull down the mask, i somehow made it to night 5 without knowing it, and after the 4th jumpscare it became annoying, not scary.
@@jerakaigamezthe youtuber i watched it from had like 25 attempts on night 4, he could not even get past the 6th night, because he said it's too difficult for him.
The worse? Nah, that's just mean, yes, the gameplay REALLY didn't aged well, but that's really the only thing that can be considered "bad". The ambience, story, cut scenes, minigames, (some) character desing, is just god tier of fnaf. But yeah, the gameplay kinda sucks, great vid btw! Awesome work that you've done were, for sure i'll continue checking your channel
I have to disagree about the delayed jump scares if you fail with the mask. It adds a sense of uncertainty of if you succeeded or not if it was close, and can be startling if you think you succeeded
I like this game but HOLY HELL Withered Foxy, Puppet and Balloon Boy's machanics SUCK They stop you from actually looking at the camera and you need to be nervous and stressed about them EVERY SINGLE SECOND. Like for real after the other Withered escape Part and Service on night 3 I just straight up stop checking the rooms because these three are always active and you can't make a single mistake. Also dear God I HATE night 6 so not only are Puppet,BB and Withered Fixy somehow EVEN MORE ANNOYING but EVERYONE is active and take SO DAMN LONG IN THE VENTS AND HALLWAY Not a bad game but Jesus Christ this there's machanics just ruin it
5:30 you say the fact that not putting the mask on dosnt instantly kill you makes the immersion worse whoch is important but you are forgetting that instead of immersion we get anticipation as to find out if i was quick enough or not to live. i still remember how scary those half second or two were when you got to the later nights and truly didnt know if you failed or succeeded whoch made the jumpscares ever scarier for me even though i was kinda anticipating them. great vid tho i love that you are open about your opinion and thats as allright as me loving this game and its 10/20 mode
I get that with the anticipation. I played this game recently and its definitely there, although I think the buildup is definitely more scary than the jumpscare itself. If I get jumpscared its more anger. But defs a fair point. Glad you enjoyed the video! I definitely want people to challenge me and talk about their opinions, I think open discussion is great, no one is right or wrong, everyone's just expressing their opinion!
I 100% agree with all of your points made. I was really excited to play this game. I got into the series about a year after security breach released and after playing the first game I fell in love with fnaf. The first game was a horror masterpiece and I was so excited to play fnaf 2 especially with all the good things I heard about it. And then I was extremely disappointed when I played it. I felt nothing playing it. (Besides night 6 but my only emotion was rage) The game is way too fast paced. Due to how fast it is you have absolutely zero time to think meaning there is no time for that sense of dread to settle in. What I love about these games is that it’s a mix between horror and strategy. This game there is no critical thinking like the others. It’s just mindless reflexes. What also makes me hate this game is that nights 1-4 are piss easy, night 5 has at least a decent challenge, and then night six is just straight rng Bull crap. Now what I really don’t understand is how people praise this game and then trash on fnaf 3. Unpopular opinion but fnaf 3 is my personal favorite game in the series. It does everything that fnaf 2 doesn’t. It’s gameplay is slow and require critical thinking. Every action you make has a consequence meaning you have to be very smart. It’s almost like playing chess with a rotting serial killer in a furry suit. The game isn’t frantic and allows that dread to slowly develop as the night goes on. I could go into more reasons why that game is my favorite but I don’t want this comment to be too long.
@@liptonpipton4135 ikr. The atmosphere has always felt so creepy yet weirdly nostalgic. Honestly this games atmosphere is more nostalgic to me than the first games. I don’t know what it is but I just feel’s that way. And the ambience makes it even better especially when it hits those high ear piecing sounds that tell you how close springtrap is.
Yes!! The third game is propably just hated because, at start it was ofc different then 1 and 2. And also the jumpscares are pretty mid. But other then those it’s a great game, i love that it’s not so fast paced
@@superadambomb5834 honestly the third was hated just because there was only one animatronic in the place and because Springtrap’s jumpscares were bad, the gameplay in itself was good but the community wanted more after FNAF 2. It doesn’t seem like it but FNAF 2 was really well welcomed, TH-camrs were really happy to play it and really afraid, it was the peak of the franchise. It’s because at the start, the looping technique wasn’t discovered or used. That’s what made the game cool, it was more fun and scary this way because everyone just thought about the fact doors weren’t here anymore, animatronics were now 11 instead of 4 (5 with Golden freddy) and there was a general misunderstanding about how animatronics worked in this game The game was really popular, the community was crazy for the new lore of this game. Now nostalgia helps a lot to carry it I still think Springtrap’s jumpscares are bad but it was a really over-hated game. It felt like the community wanted the same thing over and over again, with the same animatronics all the time. They were attached to the characters. I’m glad the dev tried new mechanics in each game, even if he failed sometimes. FNAF 3 really isnt the worst one
The vents should be replaced with doors that cant be closed that have lights and the first 2 nights, but one stops working on night 3 the other on night 4 so you have to check the cameras. The music box should be nerfed too
12:13 I find this funny, the suggestions you made, the game DOES. 1st. “There should be a character that gets angrier the longer you have the mask on.” This is what foxy does, he gets angrier the longer you have the mask on. 2nd. “Toy Bonnie and toy chica should kill you if you don’t put the mask on in time.” This does happen if you’re in the cameras for too long they’ll just kill you. Unless you mean in office, but none of the fnaf games have jump scares without a camera flip or they aren’t scary (UCN) 3rd “character should leave in 2-3 seconds instead of 4-6 seconds.” They are long to increase the tension between foxy as your not flashing foxy which means he’s angrier because you have the mask on. which rises the tension 4th “the music box when overwound it should be full for 30 seconds.” This would invalidate the cameras you ounce you hear the sound wind it for 2 seconds then wait 30 seconds to redo it. This also gives no reason to use the other cameras which I use to stall the other animatronics so I can wind the box for longer, but the box is no invalidated. Trust me, when a game is overhyped it can turn any great game into a bad one. It sucks when it happens. Then we look for nitpicks and inflate them into issues. This has happened to me too, and lots of other people.
One of the things I really don’t understand with this game is why does toy Bonnie not show up in the hallway everybody else does mangel foxy all of the witherds can show up in the hallway even golden Freddy just toy bonnie does not show up in the hallway even though toy chica does which makes no sense also you should be allowed to change the puppets ai in the custom night they should also make golden Freddy fade into the office at random times instead of him just appearing when you pull down the monitor he should also show up in the hallway more
I mostly agree with your takes but gonna agree to disagree about Toy Chica being a sexualized design- she just has curves and eye lashes. Imo feminine (compared to OG Chica) ≠ sexual, y'know? PS- Springtrap is melded to his Endo if you look at all the models :D so if anything he should be the heaviest of them besides the fun times
A criticism I have of this game that you didn't mention is that the environment is just so empty and boring. All the other fnaf games use dark, grungy colours to conceal the building, blue in fnaf 1, 4 & SL and green in Fnaf 3, but in fnaf 2 everything is just washed in this bright white. The game just doesn't have the environmental tension the other games have because everything is so bright. And not only that, the entire pizzeria is so empty, there's barely any props, all the rooms are so wide. Compare backstage in fnaf 1 to parts and service in fnaf 2. Backstage is tight & cluttered, animatronic heads lining the walls, the center of the frame being taken up by an unnerving endoskeleton. In fnaf 2, parts & service is a massive, empty white room with the 4 animatronics laying about. There isn't even like a repair bench in it. It's so plain and boring. This goes for basically all the other rooms in the game as well.
Claiming that the game coming out 95 days later being "rushed" ignores the fact Scott admits that he basically stayed up day and night to work on games back then. Probably not very healthy for him, but taking into consideration that ClickTeam is relatively easier to use, and he already had a solid basis for a sequel, it seems pretty reasonable. He was able to push games out easily.
I dont wanna discredit Scott but after talking to all my game developers friends who also say up all day and all night to complete games, it was definitely rushed. If you watch my video on all the clipping in this game you'll see what I mean. Obviously from a business perspective it was a smart decision to ride the wave but the game did suffer
@@jerakaigamez I really don't think so. Really the only points I can find myself agreeing on are the fact that the music box runs out way too fast in later nights, and that the jumpscares are heavily lacking (honestly they're worse than Springtraps for me in a lot of cases). Also I HATE Toy Freddy's office blackout, the black eyes are so fucking stupid to me cuz it's not like Toy Chica where it's the endo eyes, it's just like... He replaced his eyes? Like what even? But otherwise, I'd easily say (ignoring the Steelwool stuff obv) the worst game is UCN if I'm being biased, and FNAF3 if I'm being subjective. FNAF2 definitely isn't my favorite, (that goes to FNAF4 for me) but I really don't see it being the worst, especially considering almost everyone else agrees that it's just a general improvement over the first.
The reason the animatronics leave when you put the mask on once they already enter is due to the fact it confuses their A.I, I may be wrong but I think Phone Guy literally explains that
I believe that's the point of the game. It's meant to be a high stress, high speed onslaught where even the slightest error can kill you, and where you need to be careful with every move you make. That seems to be the appeal for everyone, beating a game relentlessly pushing at you again and again.
@@SteveCrafts2kTrue, but in fnaf 2 Scott is practically begging you not to switch the camera off of the puppet. So many party rooms, just to never be looked at past night 3.
@@SteveCrafts2kbut some fan games do cameras way better than Scott did, no offense to him. Five Nights at Candy’s and One Night at Flumpty’s for example.
Yes i can 100% agree with your opinion about this game and im sure others can too since this game can definitely be a PAIN out of all of the fnaf games. And its like you do the same thing over and over which gets boring when your repeatability charging up the music box and putting the mask on. ITS REDUCLOUS. But we can all agree on how good the lore is for this game.
good points, I still personally love fnaf 2 and its always been my favorite, I'm pretty weird though I think the music box is the only problem I have with this game that bothers me a lot because like, you literally do not use cameras, at all. just the music box, huge shame. Also you make really good videos, keep the youtube grind up bro
In a ironic way fnaf 2 Reimagined and Fnaf open source both make the withreds only effected by the lights which technically make sense like I understand that they only made foxy affected by the lights but why not the other 3 just make them a little bit easier than foxy except Freddy plus it doesn’t make sense for them to be affected by the mask since technically only the new models have the facial recognition scanner thing
honesty you have many valid points, as a fnaf enjoyer myself I can agree on a lot of the points that were made in this video, the only thing I don't like about this game is the toy animatronics.
I am open minded, i think you have good points but i think that the animatronics instantly killing you is bad, you pull the cameras up which blocks you whole screen, meaning it is actually blocking your face so they dont see you, thats why when you put the mask on when taking off the camera is like "oh its just Freddy" this is just my opinion but i hooe you can understand (also very late)
So far not all horror games should be scary at all times, sometimes it needs to be challenging because blinding everything with horror would only get used by players especially the horror gamers. Staying at cam 11 for the music box is actually a god tier mechanic, you can barely track down the treat because you're keeping an eye to a limited immobilizer that's keep running out from time to time. Also to mention not all people can handle extreme mechanics, some prefer to stick with simple but intense which FNaF 1 and 4 implied, shining lights and slamming doors. FNaF 2 also came out couple of months after Scott released FNaF 1 so it's possible that he's totally worn out, plus it's one of his early games so expect to be perfect. He does have extreme mechanics back then such as the toxic meter on the mask but he decided to take it out despite it may be too much for the player which is confirmed true cause there are many FNaF fan games that has toxic meter and most players are afraid to use the mask or either having bad timing despite after one animatronic left there's another one arrived and the meter is extremely high, so how do you expect them to survive in that scenario? Again, I know everyone has their own thoughts and I love FNaF 2 ever since I was a young boy and it's also my very first FNaF game which I'v discovered from DanTDM.
Thank you for making this video!!! Everyone ways trashes on Sister Location or Security Breach as the "worst FNAF games" but despite there many flaws, at least those games are fun and entertaining!!! FNAF 2 gameplay is borning and redundant!!! Nothing changes each night besides new characters but there's no way you can approach the game with different strategies because the problems all get solved the same way!!! The game is just overwhelming to the point were it's more stressful then scary!!!
I personally think that fnaf 3 is the worst bc the jumpscares aren’t even scary and I don’t like the characters in general, except for Springtrap tho he’s pretty creepy but his jumpscare is so bad. I can see why this is bad tho, but I love the withereds’ and mangle, the other toys are not that scary, but toy chica is terrifying without her beak, and puppet is just amazing, but the freaking music box, it’s so annoying and a bad feature that they added, I think they should have only make you play it 1-3 times during the night
The idea with springtrap is that he isnt a robot (well he is) But not pure robot he approaches you like a regular person as a murderer would i feel as if he should have lunged at us with a knife or smt bc the walking is pretty bad but idk
If there’s something I wish for this game it’s that on later nights the puppet was WAY more lenient, the toys came into your office instead of the withereds and the withereds needed the torch in the cams to be pushed back to parts and service. Wait, that sounds like something…
5:21 what are you talking about? In Ultimate Custom night it is even more forgiving. Toy bonnie will slide across your whole sceen and you just need to throw the mask on for a second before he moves across the whole screen. So i don't get your issue with the animatronics not instantly killing you. In all the games they could juat instantly kill you if they are standing right outside your door. Phone guy even said the mask messes with their ai, it's called suspension of disbelief. 6:14 you're acting like this isn't an issue for fnaf 1 and 3. In 1 you juat keep your cam on 4b and in 3 you keep your camera on the room right next to the room right outside your office and every once in a while reset an error. 10:26 saying this is crazy when fnaf 1 and 3 exist. Fnaf 1 is left light, flip cams, check for chica in 4b, if not right light, left light, flip cams. And fanf 3 is wait to see spring trap, audio lure, reboot. Amd hope he doesn't ignore like 3 audio lures in a row. 12:27 that is literally foxys job, I sort of get what you are saying that it should punish you if you put on the mask when no one is there but then you would have to turn down the speed that animatronics kill you if you don't immediately put on the mask. 15:54 again suspension of disbelief. in lore mangle isn't supposed to do things like walk on the ceiling yet because of either possession or the other possessed animatronics is causing mangle the be able to do that. 20:42 do you see the ventilation shafts? Those are definitely not normal vents that are in the ceiling made of tinfoil. 25:25 this whole point boils down to "the max mode is hard". so? The only valid complaint you really make is toy bonnie. Him being random may or may not have even been intentional but simply saying the max mode is hard and very time restrictive is laughable when 50/20 exists for difficulty and fnaf 3 exist for rng bullshit.
Hi! I got some fnaf challange ideas for you guys! 1st: You have to beat Fnaf 1 all the nights BUT for every night you have to eat a slice of pizza. You have to finish the food before the night ends and you cant die. 2nd: you have to beat fnaf 2 but the music box cant go under half (i hope you know what i mean and also till the 3rd night not all of fnaf 2). 3rd: Try and beat fnaf 3 but you cant let springtrap be far from you you always have to make sure he is close but you cant die
WOW, I’ve never seen people who dislike FNAF 2, but I understand that people do. It’s a huge spike in difficulty compared to the original, but hey, this comes from a guy whose favorite game in the franchise is FNAF 3.
Most people have FNAF 2 at the top and FNAF 3 at the bottom, but for me it's the exact opposite. Of course, both have their own flaws, but FNAF 3 feels... smarter. Springtrap is a dynamic force that requires strategy to beat (unless you use the CAM 2 or CAM 10 strat), with the Phantoms being more of a supporting cast. In FNAF 2, every animatronic feels the same, minus Foxy and the Puppet.
I feel the same way. FNAF 3 was more personal and felt like you were doing more when you were doing less, while in FNAF 2 you have 9 characters would could just be the same character
I agree, even though FNAF 3 might be a bit boring, Springtrap being silent unlike Scraptrap is terrifying, not to mention it’s not only a good designed animatronic, Springtrap is a flipin killer. FNAF 3 isn’t my fully favorite, but it is up there for me.
honestly this video says everything i was thinking, the game is supposed to feel chaotic with having 10 different threats to deal with but really it's just 3, music box, flashlight, mask bitches. fnaf 1 alone has more varied threats with a fraction of the characters cause sure bonnie and chika are reskins of eachother foxy and freddy use the camera system differently and progress differently while both needing to redirect attention from the more basic animatronics. sadly i do think half of the scott cawthon fnaf games suffer from this exact issue of rushed development, dude himself said his only playtesters were his children and he probably could have got specific feedback on how to do good jumpscares especially since he had the reach and money after fnaf 1 to hire them. like fnaf 3 being way too easy to crack with lackluster jumpscares to 4's story needing a second pass, or any feedback whatso ever like making dream theory canon? that's the most hated media theory ever, any writer could have told him how annoying it'd be and even the retcon of fnaf 4 being a servelance thing doesn't work, i don't think afton can make a fredbear plush that turns its head into a flower. wasn't really until fnaf world where scotts habit of releasing alpha builds of games became enough of an issue to draw criticism, i like the fnaf world designs and love my quirky rpg systems but the game lacking any sorta skill progression was plain bad game design, like look at pokemon another massive rostered game where you progress by unlocking characters, their moves aren't fully unlocked when you get the character, there is a reason to level up beyond stat walls. you'll unlock moves with varying effects and functions and you'll have to replace your limited pool of moves. a good rpg has gameplay differences between level 1 and 100 and if it doesn't it'll have special mechanics for under leveled players be it kingdom hearts damage floors and instakill protection. and this is why i think scotts lightning in a bottle analogy in the dawko interview is a little innacurate, he was able to replicate and enhance the first games horror in 4, he just served undercooked games without the additional care the first game. it's not a coincidence his best game was the one forged from criticism while playing to the strengths of the game engine. i do like ucn and pizzaria simulator (i haven't personally played the other fnaf games and after his political donations i don't want my money to support them) they are only really limited by the game engine they're in, has the same feel as those non rpg rpg maker games where you really feel the game engine holding back the experience being created, though with the office designs yeah dude should have gotten feedback before making renders, scrap baby and molten freddy are fine but lefty has an entirely different artstyle and afton... well he's afton, i know making something you're bad at is hard, but as an artist i can say i'll at least erase a hand if it's so god awful it distracts from the rest of the piece.
Here are my thoughts on the video. It’s a lot so I understand if you don’t want to read it all: 3:18 agreed. Good cutscenes. 4:25 it does make you feel exposed which I think is good. I get what you’re saying that it needs to feel like you have time to put the mask on and that if the animatronic is already in your office, it’s dumb because you’ve already been caught. I just want to add the fact that in fnaf 1 when the animatronic is at your door and you have the light on it’s basically the same thing like, what’s stopping them from just going in why are they just standing there? I have seen a version of fnaf 2 which I believe is called fnaf 2 deluxe where the animatronics do an animation of them entering the office and they don’t look at you until the animation ends which is how I think it should be. 6:14 “too high maintenance” I agree, it feels like you need to be on it constantly and don’t have time to do anything else which can be bad since once the puppet’s out and you’re no where near finishing the night it’s over. You can’t really check any other camera and there’s no real need to. I came up with a solution but I don’t think many would agree. I thought of changing Mangle’s mechanics to work like Foxy but you use the camera lights on Mangle. You would hear the static similarly to something like Freddy playing his music in the kitchen in fnaf 1 and if the radio is louder in a camera then that is the camera Mangle is in, or you could just look at the camera and see Mangle but it would be more interesting if the darker areas of the cams were utilised and Mangle would hide there so you’d have to pay attention to the static. Plus it would parallel foxy since you use your flashlight for him while the cam light is for Mangle and they’re both foxes. Also I’d make the music box a tad slower so you actually have time to look at the cameras. If my idea doesn’t exactly work then that’s fine but the other cams aren’t utilised as much and the only important one is the music box. 9:37 “doesn’t feel like you’re pushing foxy back and it just seems like he gets bored and leaves” ok but how would you exactly change that? 10:43 gameplay loop is boring? Music box -> Mask -> Light. Fnaf 1 is somehow better? It’s just Cam -> Door -> Cam 11:28 ok I do have to give you that one. Too many characters behave the same. Again, why I wanted to change Mangle’s mechanic. Too many require the mask but I don’t think that’s a problem since everyone in fnaf 1 requires the doors. The problem is how they use the mask. I’ve watched a video from another youtuber called Sire Squawks where he mentioned how you should move around in the mask in ways to avoid the animatronics seeing you, at least that’s what I can remember since I haven’t watched that video in a while. The video was called “Where FNaF 2 & 4 Fell Short”. 13:10 I do agree the blackout characters should leave the office faster. Don’t know how I feel about a character not liking the mask and you have to leave it off, it could work with a withered animatronic because foxy already ignores the mask but it wouldn’t fit the lore of the toys except for mangle since they’re damaged and that could interfere with their facial recognition. 13:24 I definitely think the music box should be nerfed. It should be way slower but I don’t agree with it not needing to be wound after you fully wind it because I feel like it constantly winding down makes it stressful instead of a convenient task, just isn’t scary in my opinion if you can make the box stop going down for a long time. But that’s just my personal opinion. Your change can work but I’m not really a fan of the timer thing. Just make the music box slower. 14:03 ok, yes toy Freddy does look unsettling in the office but I’ve seen some people criticise it. I used to be unsettled by toy bonnie’s jumpscare because of how his eyes just got really small. I don’t anymore but for some reason I just got creeped out. Toy Chica is… unfortunate. The beak removing thing is cool but why did Scott make the design in general so SMASHable? It’s a robot for a kid’s restaurant! What? 15:05 I honestly think BB has a good design it’s just that his personality and mechanic with constant laughing is what makes people hate him. For a first time player, hearing him randomly say “hi” and leave the play area seems like it’s a decent lean towards creepy. I do think his concept can work and I don’t think he’s out of place at all. 15:18 puppet is definitely one of the best designs. The strings puppeteering it when it’s coming out the box is a cool touch and the mask with the purple tears is creepy. 16:00 it is weird that mangle can walk on the ceiling but is it not creepy? Even the jumpscare when it comes from above to bite you, that seems terrifying but I get not everyone would agree. Some people tried to explain why mangle can go on the ceiling because there are wires everywhere throughout the building but wouldn’t mangle get tangled up in all those wires? 16:36 the different jumpscare noise for toys and withereds a cool idea. I think they should generally have the main noise but the withered animatronics have a more “broken” or “glitchy” sounding version. The current jumpscare noise is too iconic for me to want it changed too much and the fangame “JR’s” has a jumpscare sound in the basement level that’s similar to the fnaf 2 sound. I definitely think the jumpscares when they jump at you look goofy but I do like foxy’s. 16:52 golden freddy’s jumpscare is just a floating head getting closer. I agree it looks a little low effort but I think there is a way to make it work with the right presentation. 17:29 withered Freddy is horrific? I can see that but to me he doesn’t look withered enough. That’s just me though, he still looks fine. His office render is genuinely amazing. So good that funko use it in merch but they never made actual merch of withered Freddy himself. 17:57 withered bonnie is my personal favourite withered, however some people say he’s overrated because it’s just bonnie without a face. Him missing his face is what makes it so unsettling but people do have different tastes I guess. 18:33 I don’t have much to say about withered Chica but she definitely is creepy with that broken jaw and wide eyes. The constant t-pose is kinda weird to me though. 20:39 office design? The vent thing? I don’t know how a massive animatronic can go there either but it’s more unique that just the fnaf 1 office again but now there’s a middle door. I think it’s fine for the toys to be able to fit in since they are smaller (other than toy Freddy). 21:36 oh yeah, those vents sure look big. Almost like they could fit an animatronic. You couldn’t have made it more obvious Scott. I really think the custom night is odd. First, the difficulties cap at 15 for most animatronics. Also toy Bonnie is just plain stupid. Also also, boring and repetitive? Again, fnaf 1 custom night isn’t? It’s literally camera, close doors, camera, open doors. That’s most fnaf 1 custom night playthrough I’ve seen at least. Anyway, that’s all my thoughts. It really sucks fnaf 2 turned out this way because it had the potential. You don’t have to reply to all my thoughts, I’m just commenting my opinions like what the comment section is literally used for.
Im replying to everything haha 1st Point: Agree cutscenes are banging 2nd Point: FNAF 1 obviously makes sense for sure with the doors, I think that the first game relied on player reactions (most people would immediatley close the door, plus animatronics lights in their eyes?) FNAF 2 deluxe is cool ive played it 3rd Point:I like your mangle Idea alot it would be cool if you had to prevent them from getting anywhere near your office 4th Point:Even a stinger would have helped like in help wanted. Have him appear with a stinger and then leave faster. Or have more renders of him getting closer and futher away like with Funtime freddy 5th Point:The difference is that when playing FNAF 1, theres more freedom in how to play and theres always RNG involved with characters hogging your door. EVeryone approaches this game differently and you can beat the game with different stratergies. FNAF 2 makes you use the gameplay loop, you cant improvise or make your own strat you have to do mask-light-music box. FNAF 1 you can keep track of every character, or just watch foxy, or just watch freddy, have freddy never leave the show stage or let him come to 4B, theres alot of possiblites. 6th Point: The doors work because 1:FNAF 1 is small enough that having 2 characters go to each door is different enough for the unquieness of it. 2.The doors are separate with different actions, you have to shut that door they are on and leave yourself exposed to the other one. In fnaf 2 regardless of where someone is its exactly the same respone. Also with the doors, shutting the doors has risk of power. Plus the doors are arguebly a stronger mechanic. Also ive seen that video I cant remember exactly why but i had some problems with how that video was presented. I agree with the mask movement thing though 7th Point: Main idea is the older models have the mask mechanic because they have the old glitch. The new ones would need to see the face isnt william which is who they would attack, except mangle and puppet. Something like that would have just added more to the game. 8th Point:Fair point with the timer, but yeah music box should be nerfed, by night 4 you wanna punch it outer existence 9th Point:Designs are peoples opinion you may like some you may hate others, but yes why is toy chica allowed to be considered smashable 10th Point:Design is subjective and I dont mind a mechanic like his I just think its a bit weak with how the game flows 11th Point:Yes 12th Point: I dont get Mangle walking on the ceiling regardless of how creepy it is its so unrealistic. Theres nothing that should let them do that 13th Point:Jumpsacres defs could be improved, also love JRS 14th Point:I agree FNAF 1 Golden freddys jumpscare is one of my favs because of the presentation 15th Point:I love withered freddys design but he could have been more withered (joy of creation) 16th Point:I agree withered bonnie is good, less is more sometimes 17th Point:Hate the T pose Final 2 Points: Office design went down when i played this the other day it looks really bad and makes no sense, FNAF 3s office is cool and you could do something a little different.My problem isnt the animatronics fitting into the vent (although again scott they are huge) its the fact they would break the vent because they are too heavy Overall, respect your opinion, hope you enjoyed the vid!
I watched the vid and i totally agree with all of this, while i disagree about it being the worst this video definitely stated facts, me personally i love fnaf 2, flaws and all even if it ain't my favorite
This game use to be my favorite in the franchise when I was younger. I still like it but this game compared to others did not innovate at all. The worst thing of this game is the music box, it destroys the main purpose of FNaF. looking at the cameras and exploring, But Nights after 4 or t you need to focus on the music box, and the mask pretty much being used for most characters, it’s just incredibly unbalanced.
wait i thought that they didnt jumpscare you instantly if you didn't put the mask on in time to trick the player into thinking they're safe and adding some tension for like 5 seconds after they go away
As someone who's been trying to 100% the game for the first time, the biggest case against the game I see is that you need to be on the puppet's cam all night, which leads to you not seeing any of the really cool camera renders, and while i personally don't really like the puppet's mechanic, the second part is just not true. While most runs of the game only care about cam 11, 7 different animatronics can be stalled by flashing them in the cameras. And even though its really difficult to do, stalling the animatronics in this way is the only 100% consistent way to beat 10/20 mode, called the Minus 7 strategy. In fact, even the puppet can be stalled by the flashlight to an extent. Someone beat night 1 without winding the music box this way. So i dont think that the ganeplay is irredeemable, abd more importantly, the game did so much else for the series than just subpar gameplay. Minigames, Character Designs, Gender Disputes, Animations, Nostalgia, Theories, The Purple Guy, the first mention of Fredbear, Rare animatronics, and so much more. Even if you think that the gameplay or whatever else is atrocious in this game, you cant deny that it had the largest affect on the fanbase over any other game. Anyways, rant over, time to lose to 10/20 some more.
I came here just READY to be like man wtf this is literally the best one. But I do get the gripes and opinions are well constructed I suppose. This still will always be my favorite purely cus the vibe and from the time it came out generally
i completely agree fnaf 2 is extremely overrated the main problems being the gameplay loop ( which gets really boring after night 3). One of my only positives are the designs and the custom night challenges/plushies. (besides 10/20)
I mean Fnaf one is kinda overrated and there’s a loop of look at lights, check foxy,foxy is gone so close door,open door, check lights, check foxy, check lights see Bonnie/chica,close the door,and game is over. It’s just over and over (like Fnaf two )but Fnaf two has more animatronics and stuff (that’s my opinion)
@@maxtontheslothandthegang true but i beleive that in fnaf 1 there are enough characters that have different mechanics and are unique, fnaf 1 is also more lenient but i can also see where your coming from. FNAF 1 does have some flaws and im not saying fnaf 2 is horrible its just my personally my least favourite.
Gameplay loop of fnaf 2 definitely sucks. Also with FNAF 1 I understand that gameplay loop is quite simple too. One thing I love is that every character behaves differently. And the main difference is flexibility. FNAF 1 there is the optimal strategy you follow with checking freddy and foxy and lights but FNAF 1 is more of an experience game I feel. From watching someone else play it for the first time everyone approaches tings differently. FNAF 2 is mainly just training you to get into the rhythm and its not as fun
@@jerakaigamez honestly agree with fnaf 2 could have benefited with having different mechanics eg. having toy Freddy animatronics who need you to stare at the with the mask off or having the withered animatronics that pull your mask down. It’s ok to have animatronics have the same gameplay use some variety would just be good.
I also think it’s bad, but here is why it’s because night one is too easy for me and if it’s too easy, it’s not fun and if it’s not fun, it’s not good(this is just to agree for him)
Hi I'm a new subscriber and I liked your video and I respect your opinion about Fnaf 2 but I had a idea what if the mechanics from Fazbear entertainment storage We're in Fnaf 2 and maybe it could be a bit different or the same for the toys but I think the Withereds should have their own unique mechanics that are balanced and fun and not That difficult but yeah I think that would be a cool idea in my opinion
i wouldn't call it the WORST- i feel like there are other games that kinda disprove that. UCN majorly takes the cake for being "rushed", the jumpscares are lazy, and it's really just a mash of different games into one, and if you hate the game being overcrowded you would hate it more than fnaf 2. there is also pizza simulator, and fnaf 3, pizza simulator's nights are the most confusing and the audio doesn't work half the time. fnaf 3 is bad on terms of jumpscares. but the biggest game to really take the cake on being the worst is sb in my opinion. It's not really fnaf, and it's worse than poppy playtime because there is no scare factor at all in the game. The jumpscares suck, and it feels rushed because of how buggy it is. But i can also see why it's one of the worst games- you either know how to play it or you don't just like some of the other listed fnaf games, and yes, you can't really enjoy the game and what it has thanks to the puppet being so active.
foxy literally in his code gets more pissed off if you use the mask longer, my biggest problems with the game is that the cameras are useless u dont even have time in late nights to check them due to the music box. they dont have the same importance as in 1 or 3, its the most luck based game out of fnaf, and i dont like how the flashlight battery is useless its pretty impossible to lose power unlike the first game, but is still my personal fav fnaf
I know this is a 5 months video but did you noticed that after Pizzeria simulator is created Fnaf 1 becomes pointless to the story? I know this will be a quiet long explanation and you probably won't read it anyways but... Fnaf 2 and Fnaf 4 is the backstory , Fnaf 4 is where Michael accidentally killed Evan which caused William to go crazy and start to kill kids and his business partner's daughter charlie in FNAF 2 Sister location is when the plot begins to move, Michael sets on finding Elizabeth who also becomes an accidental victim of his dad's creation so he went there get scooped his body got taken got abandoned and then live once again And then Michael sets off to find his father to which he found at Fnaf 3 where William rises from the Dead and then to Pizzeria Simulator where both Michael and Henry (The business Partner) sets off to lure the Animatronics and William to a trap building to set the souls free and send William to Hell So what is FNAF 1's purpose?? Why would Michael go to a complete new place at a new location with no old animatronics are used in there but rather they build new ones with similarity to the old ones and same theme I'm not trying to disrespect the very first game to the franchise i still love it. Gotta love the OG
I forgot to mention this is the video but there's also a ridiculous amount of clipping with the models. Might make a separate video about it like a part 2. Hope your enjoying the video!
there is only 1 screen with a clipping model, which is mangle in the right vent. Some genuine feed back (not like the joke comment I left earlier) is that when you over exaggerate small issues, it makes your point come across as salty ranting, rather than an actually explanation as to why this game isn't good. A ton of the problems in this video are real problems, and I couldn't agree more that fnaf 2 isn't as good as people say, but there all blown way out of proportion.
Haha just came from that video😂I'm really glad I found this channel, great content!
Cheers!
There’s funny clipping in fnaf 1 as well like in the showstage freddy’s endoskeleton “hand” clips through his actual hand as well as the cupcake plate clips into chica’s arm also on the showstage. Not to mention all 3 on stage is the only rendition of showstage that keeps the wall in the background lol.
@@Brodude5747 theres clipping in each andd every fnaf game
FNaF 1 starts the nights off slow, letting you slowly grasp the situation and feel afraid at every new thing that happens.
4 minutes into FNaF 2 and you're already juggling 5 animatronics, constantly winding the music box and frantically swapping the mask every 10 seconds.
The game doesn't give you the time to feel scared, it just makes you stressed
Facts
Fnaf 6 also does the stress thing better, what the hell is this game
@@jerakaigamezbut wait a minute in the worst and best parts of every fnaf game video you said that the stress of the fnaf 4 gameplay loop was what made it your favorite game in the series ?
Maybe because you should already know what to do if your playing in order of the trilogy, in fnaf 4 it’s the same thing and in fnaf Sl it needed to introduce new mechanics
@@scrappy5833 there's a diffrence between stress because of fear and stress because you're annoyed
This game can't be the worst in the series, it introduced toilet bonnie
Valid argument Ill delete the video lol
Bro Fnaf world is the worst 😂
@@FnafunCreator Fnaf world is the worst horror game, but other than that it's a charming RPG. The worst Fnaf game is probably FNAF AR, after all, you can't even play it anymore.
@notZabami yeah I understand 👍
is that skibidi to-
fnaf 2 should just be called "cam 11: the game" 😭
FACTS
@@centipede47475 LOL
That’s literally for almost every fnaf game
@Sackiri FNAF 4 without cameras be like: you didn't have to cut me off-
@@Russsian-0907 no because he said almost. You're comment doesn't make sense bro
14:34 I feel like Toy Bonnie looking cute, excluding the obvious reason why an animatronic made to entertain children would look like that, does look quite creepy in some of it's camera shots. Especially when he's staring at the camera (cam 04), entering the vents (cam 02) and crawling in the vents (cam 06). However his renders actually peeking through the vent and especially sliding across the screen just look so goofy to actually be spooky and you never really get to see the good renders because you can't look off of the music box
True
they should have done music box as something like ucn original chica,instead of changing music you restart it when music stops,also you dont die immefiatly in camera flip and instead it gives you a timer like how there is a warning sign in current version of fnaf 2 when music box is left free
I have lots of respect for uploaders who have the balls to make videos criticizing beloved pieces of media like games or movies. This was a very well done video! 😁
Glad you like it!
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@CelestialStar46 or dox you
@drive578👶🍼
FNaF 2: Camera (Music box only), Light, Light, Light, Mask, repeat.
FNaF 1: Camera, light, repeat.
FOR 8 MINUTES
camera, mask, right light, hall light repeat
Sorry but you could say that about almost every fnaf besides sl, and sb.
@@landen57help wanted too
but yeah youre right
@@xypherFNAFyeah help wanted included with sl and sb (they are not repetitive). Glad you agree with me, i get people say fnaf 2 is repetitive, but why does the other fnafs get away with that? But even though they can be repetitive, there are so fun.
Fun Fact: 10/20 in this game has never been technically beaten, Foxy caps at 17 A.I for everyone else like 12-17?
Damn imagine if it wasnt capped!
@@jerakaigamez Foxy would take an extremely short time to get you.
Everybody but golden Freddy and foxy is 15 golden Freddy is 10
Actually it has. Someone named 8brayden8 modded the game so all animatronics are actually at 20 AI and then beat it. According to him it’s actually easier than regular 10/20 mode because blackouts will almost always happen so you only need to flash foxy at the beginning of the night
@@RavioliWasTaken Oh? Interesting!
In my opinion, you should only put the mask when a withered appears, because the toys would scan your face and see you are a normal person, but if you put the mask, they would think you are a criminal trying to disguise and they would kill you
Edit: Also, i think that the Puppet could go to different cameras from like every 30 secs
I agree!
Im still putting the mask on if some big clanky metal robot stares into my soul with blood in its eyes
Idk I think the withered animatronics should get mad at you for wearing the mask, since that's what the person that killed them did
I think the other way around, the withereds can see that you're a person wearing a mask but the toys just scan your face and see Freddy. Withered Foxy already has to be countered with the light, forcing you to look through cameras to find and flash the other withereds before they find their way to the office would fit the existing pattern as well as make the cameras useful beyond the puppet
Or maybe the contrary
With the Toys using prototype technology with lots of flaws, making them think you're an animatronic and the Withered being able to "See" you instead of Scanning you
"Animatronic shouldn't be able to walk on the ceiling"
Proceeds to ignore the levitating puppet
I don't know why people HATE Mangle being able to walk on the ceiling when there are literally deceased children ghosts possessing robots, and a man that keeps coming back to life. Her whole climbing mechanic is what sets her apart for me, for others it's probably her mangled appearance, which I love too.
puppet can levitate because it is literally a puppet,it moves with ropes
I think most of the fnaf games, especially 2 and 3, really suffered from having to be rushed. But on the other hand I'm really glad that they've been rushed, because if FNAF 2 was released like a whole year after the first game, the hype would've probably ended, and the same thing applies to FNAF 3. Just look at Baldi's Basics: people got hyped to see what the creator was doing to the game, but the updates took long to start coming and so the hype died.
When Scott takes more time to make a game, we have games that are (I'd say) inarguably better, like SL or FFPS - even though they have its own flaws, they're clearly more complex games
It is true, if these games weren't pumped out the series may never have been as big as it is! Still fun to go back and look at how they have aged!
@@jajaleco I mean, the hype for Baldi’s Basics did kind of comeback with the debut Dr. Reflex, the new shop and items, and adding small but good details.
3 feels less rushed tho
I feel like the withered animatronics should get mad at you for wearing the mask, since that's what the person who killed them did
I think that would be cool!
I also think it would be a nice touch if they had their original jumpscare sounds but more broken down. It doesn’t make sense to me how their jump scare sounds the same as the toy animatronics.
@@meIatonin yeah it would make much more sense!
That's the case with all the animatronics though (besides the puppet)
Yeah I like the idea of some animatronics having a negative reaction to the mask so you can’t just spam it. And i think the music box should only be checked and wound up every other hour or so (and ofc increasing in frequency every night). Aswell as getting rid of the warning sign when it’s almost up. That just makes the music box a mindless chore instead of a good mechanic. It would make the puppet feel like more of a looming threat if you had to consciously think about needing to handle it throughout the frantic gameplay, like foxy in fnaf 1 or nightmare freddy in fnaf 4.
These small things would really improve the game!
I agree with the puppet needing to be a looming threat. We don’t need the warning sign.
i think the warning adds to the stress. you see it, so you know you *have* to act, and quickly
however, due to the *everything else*, you're stuck between the immediate threats and a guaranteed death if you're too slow
it makes the puppet scarier due to knowing the clock is almost done ticking
“the toy animatronics arent scary” did u forget the whole point is that these animatronics are made for children in a childrens pizzeria 😭😭
I mean, that's the thing, it's supposed to be creepy that these children's play place animatronics are sentient and are trying to kill you. They usually don't LOOK scary but the context of the situation does. These actively DON'T look scary, with or without the context, they just look odd
Did you forget the genre of the game
did you forget that they're characters made for a horror game
@@corfile3869and if Scott made them look scary you would flame him for not making the game look like toys lmao
@@xavierthecarnerd no, I wouldn’t
As a sequel, it's perfect: It expands on the established universe, adds new elements, and ups the ante.
In action, tho, it's definitely a bit of a slog. I prefer the Help Wanted version of the game, where I can just jam my finger on the music box button while shining the lights everywhere and grabbing the mask
As a textbook sequel and a story, yes its great! But the game is very lacking. Honestly yeah help wanted version was better!
But fnaf 2 is a prequel
@@Legendaryghazt game sequel not timeline
The help wanted version almost makes the game feel too easy to me for some reason, not sure as to why that's the case tho
this is what happens when you make a video right after dying on 10/20 mode in fnaf 2
I think ambience made a video where he said you can tell if someone has beaten 10/20 mode based on if they like fnaf 2 or not
@@jerakaigamezyeah but he also said that fnaf 6 Saturday was easier then fnaf 1 4/20 in that exact same video so who knows
@@maxwellmegagamer8535 i think its easier too
@@maxwellmegagamer8535 which video are you guys referring to?
@@therealmega_6 ranking the hardest nights in each fnaf game by ambience
I say this all the time, Fnaf 2 is the most overrated Fnaf game in the franchise. Lore wise it’s amazing, however gameplay wise it’s very bad.
I agree! The lore of this game is the highlight for me! Gameplay is just my main focus!
“This game achieved so much back then…… OMG THE FUCKING CUSTOM NIGHT”
😂😂😂
I agree with this, fnaf 2 is just looping gameplay over and over and over and over and over you get the point. The cameras shouldn’t even exist it should just be a music box. And you have so much battery power it’s stupid.
Facts! Definetly better Gameplay loops!
Just... Like every fnaf game?
fnaf 1 is the worst
its literally just
camera
light
camera
light
its the most boring shit ever
and you have to do that for 9 minutes
“why dont the animatronics just attack u when u dont have ur mask on and they are already in ur office” idk bro why dont the animatronics attack u in the first game immediately but instead can stand at the door
26:56 I think it's worth mentioning that the easter egg characters are broken. Y'know how when you see them you just have an awkward staring contest until you change cameras? They're meant to leave after a brief second while a sound effect plays.
I completely agree with this video. You always see people praising this game everywhere and you can notice how they always mention the time it came around in and how it made their teenage years and that sort of stuff. They are just blinded by nostalgia.
Agreed!
I like the idea of the game, being an onslaught of shit-loads of animatronics, causing carnage for you every night. But using the same mechanic for all but 2 animatronics is pretty dumb. Example: the flashlight should've been used for more than just foxy, which wouldve made Balloon Boy into an even bigger threat too. Maybe ALL the older withered moddles need to be strobed with the light instead of masked.
Literally all this game needed (not true but its a start)
i would recommend fnaf 2: reimagined if you want these mechanics, instead of the mask you use the flashlight on withereds, jumpscares are MUCH better, and the best of all: no balloon boy and the puppet
you still have to use cams due to foxy and freddy
its also made in roblox somehow
oh yeah also theres no gamer fart freddy
My opinion is that the main 5 nights are great, most of the Custom Night presets are fun, and Night 6 and 10/20 are absolute a** (seriously, 27 deaths so far on 10/20 and I still haven't beaten it).
Valid and just letting you know alot more deaths to come
“Fnaf 2 is the worst in the series”
security breach:
That isn't a fnaf game
@@ASTRO_MD1 AR is right there lmao
@@kal2886 that’s not Canon
@@ASTRO_MD1 doesn’t matter. plus it did have some lore hints leading into SB
@Ninjakatzkool 💀 you sure about that
I personally think Toy Chica has the worst design of FNAF 2 not only because of how sexualized it is (I mean seriously, why the fuck would Scott want to color her waist pink and make her torso woman-like), but unpopular opinion, removing the beak doesn’t make her look any scarier to me.
Personally I kinda agree I dont think shes scary at all! None of the toys really are scary
@@jerakaigamez i genuinely think the rockstars from pizza sim are scarier. Especially rockstar bonnie
@@CP-zn2mg EASILY although they need to be used in the right context
Now the question is....
HOW WOULD SHE BITE WITHOUT THE BEAK????
@@WitherBonus She'd poke Jeremy's eyes out.
The mask one is just wrong. When you put on the mask, the animatronics see you as an animatronic, thats it. You can't expect them to remember that you weren't a second ago, all they see is another animatronic in front of them. As for the second thing, them not killing you until you open the camera IS the horror aspect. Players won't know whether they were fast enough or not until they do something else, which creates a lot suspence and therefore an even scarier jumpscare.
For the music box I'd have it go down slower the more characters you have active on custom night going for 10/20? the box takes 1 in-game hour to unwind fully, setting only Toy Freddy on 1?, the box unwinds very very fast, I'd additionally have the box slow down when a blackout is occurring also I'd remove Foxy being active even if his ai is 0 and give BB an exclusive joke jumpscare for when he's active and Foxy's not
That could be cool and a good way for difficulty balancing.
Bad idea about the music box thing it would make the game way too easy
@@somebody-who-thinks-hes-mature so you enjoy completely random unfair luck based gameplay then? The music box doesn't mitigate the other 10 characters, it just gives more breathing room for the player
@@Fork219 the music box has nothing to do with Luck and fairness
@@somebody-who-thinks-hes-mature • Worrying about it constantly
• Characters can pull your cams down 4-5 times while trying to wind it
• Toy Bonnie can vent camp and make rng a problem for the box
if you think beating fnaf 2 is bad, you should try it on the old mobile version.
as someone who likes FNAF 2 the best, you have a valid opinion, but I really like this game nonetheless, its the first one I mastered so every other game feels easier in comparison
I'm glad you enjoy it! FNAF 2 has a soft spot in my heart because i remember when the game came out and was super excited! I just find years later its doesnt live up to the hype but I'm glad it exists. Its not like a garten of banban kinda thing where no one values its existance!
These are very good points! Thank you so much for sharing your criticism. I've always wanted an explanation for the dislike of such a well received game.
Glad you enjoyed
I agree with this i remember watching FNAF 2 around 8 years ago and I was like wow this looks rally cool and scary! But after actually beating the game, it really does suck, i had like 20+ deaths just on night 5, beacuse i didn't know that you had to pull down the mask, i somehow made it to night 5 without knowing it, and after the 4th jumpscare it became annoying, not scary.
Theres a reason these a considered TH-camr games, they are better to watch than to play
@@jerakaigamezthe youtuber i watched it from had like 25 attempts on night 4, he could not even get past the 6th night, because he said it's too difficult for him.
I agree with you but how the hell is withered chicas jumpscare good? It’s literally just a still image of her shaking like it’s some UCN jumpscare
Considering how creepy Withered Chica is, having the jumpscare basically be a shot of her face means you can take in the horrific details.
*you have made a powerful enemy based on that title alone.*
The worse? Nah, that's just mean, yes, the gameplay REALLY didn't aged well, but that's really the only thing that can be considered "bad".
The ambience, story, cut scenes, minigames, (some) character desing, is just god tier of fnaf.
But yeah, the gameplay kinda sucks, great vid btw! Awesome work that you've done were, for sure i'll continue checking your channel
I think now my opinion wouldnt be as harsh! Glad you enjoyed!
bro started tweakin at the custom night part 💀
LMAO Im passionate
I have to disagree about the delayed jump scares if you fail with the mask. It adds a sense of uncertainty of if you succeeded or not if it was close, and can be startling if you think you succeeded
I like this game but HOLY HELL Withered Foxy, Puppet and Balloon Boy's machanics SUCK
They stop you from actually looking at the camera and you need to be nervous and stressed about them EVERY SINGLE SECOND. Like for real after the other Withered escape Part and Service on night 3 I just straight up stop checking the rooms because these three are always active and you can't make a single mistake.
Also dear God I HATE night 6 so not only are Puppet,BB and Withered Fixy somehow EVEN MORE ANNOYING but EVERYONE is active and take SO DAMN LONG IN THE VENTS AND HALLWAY
Not a bad game but Jesus Christ this there's machanics just ruin it
5:30 you say the fact that not putting the mask on dosnt instantly kill you makes the immersion worse whoch is important but you are forgetting that instead of immersion we get anticipation as to find out if i was quick enough or not to live. i still remember how scary those half second or two were when you got to the later nights and truly didnt know if you failed or succeeded whoch made the jumpscares ever scarier for me even though i was kinda anticipating them. great vid tho i love that you are open about your opinion and thats as allright as me loving this game and its 10/20 mode
I get that with the anticipation. I played this game recently and its definitely there, although I think the buildup is definitely more scary than the jumpscare itself. If I get jumpscared its more anger. But defs a fair point. Glad you enjoyed the video! I definitely want people to challenge me and talk about their opinions, I think open discussion is great, no one is right or wrong, everyone's just expressing their opinion!
I 100% agree with all of your points made. I was really excited to play this game. I got into the series about a year after security breach released and after playing the first game I fell in love with fnaf. The first game was a horror masterpiece and I was so excited to play fnaf 2 especially with all the good things I heard about it. And then I was extremely disappointed when I played it. I felt nothing playing it. (Besides night 6 but my only emotion was rage) The game is way too fast paced. Due to how fast it is you have absolutely zero time to think meaning there is no time for that sense of dread to settle in. What I love about these games is that it’s a mix between horror and strategy. This game there is no critical thinking like the others. It’s just mindless reflexes. What also makes me hate this game is that nights 1-4 are piss easy, night 5 has at least a decent challenge, and then night six is just straight rng Bull crap. Now what I really don’t understand is how people praise this game and then trash on fnaf 3. Unpopular opinion but fnaf 3 is my personal favorite game in the series. It does everything that fnaf 2 doesn’t. It’s gameplay is slow and require critical thinking. Every action you make has a consequence meaning you have to be very smart. It’s almost like playing chess with a rotting serial killer in a furry suit. The game isn’t frantic and allows that dread to slowly develop as the night goes on. I could go into more reasons why that game is my favorite but I don’t want this comment to be too long.
This was great to read! I like how you compared FNAF 3 to chess thats actually quite cool! FNAF 3 is one of my favourites too!
@@superadambomb5834 fnaf 3 is criminally underrated, atmosphere is peak, best in the series
@@liptonpipton4135 ikr. The atmosphere has always felt so creepy yet weirdly nostalgic. Honestly this games atmosphere is more nostalgic to me than the first games. I don’t know what it is but I just feel’s that way. And the ambience makes it even better especially when it hits those high ear piecing sounds that tell you how close springtrap is.
Yes!! The third game is propably just hated because, at start it was ofc different then 1 and 2. And also the jumpscares are pretty mid. But other then those it’s a great game, i love that it’s not so fast paced
@@superadambomb5834 honestly the third was hated just because there was only one animatronic in the place and because Springtrap’s jumpscares were bad, the gameplay in itself was good but the community wanted more after FNAF 2. It doesn’t seem like it but FNAF 2 was really well welcomed, TH-camrs were really happy to play it and really afraid, it was the peak of the franchise.
It’s because at the start, the looping technique wasn’t discovered or used. That’s what made the game cool, it was more fun and scary this way because everyone just thought about the fact doors weren’t here anymore, animatronics were now 11 instead of 4 (5 with Golden freddy) and there was a general misunderstanding about how animatronics worked in this game
The game was really popular, the community was crazy for the new lore of this game. Now nostalgia helps a lot to carry it
I still think Springtrap’s jumpscares are bad but it was a really over-hated game. It felt like the community wanted the same thing over and over again, with the same animatronics all the time. They were attached to the characters. I’m glad the dev tried new mechanics in each game, even if he failed sometimes. FNAF 3 really isnt the worst one
If that’s the office then why isn’t there doors to the office is an employee doing paperwork a attraction for kids aswell
The vents should be replaced with doors that cant be closed that have lights and the first 2 nights, but one stops working on night 3 the other on night 4 so you have to check the cameras. The music box should be nerfed too
12:13 I find this funny, the suggestions you made, the game DOES.
1st. “There should be a character that gets angrier the longer you have the mask on.” This is what foxy does, he gets angrier the longer you have the mask on.
2nd. “Toy Bonnie and toy chica should kill you if you don’t put the mask on in time.” This does happen if you’re in the cameras for too long they’ll just kill you. Unless you mean in office, but none of the fnaf games have jump scares without a camera flip or they aren’t scary (UCN)
3rd “character should leave in 2-3 seconds instead of 4-6 seconds.” They are long to increase the tension between foxy as your not flashing foxy which means he’s angrier because you have the mask on. which rises the tension
4th “the music box when overwound it should be full for 30 seconds.” This would invalidate the cameras you ounce you hear the sound wind it for 2 seconds then wait 30 seconds to redo it. This also gives no reason to use the other cameras which I use to stall the other animatronics so I can wind the box for longer, but the box is no invalidated.
Trust me, when a game is overhyped it can turn any great game into a bad one. It sucks when it happens. Then we look for nitpicks and inflate them into issues. This has happened to me too, and lots of other people.
I love 2 because of how it really kickstarted the lore, and I still really dig the character designs, but yeah
... The gameplay isn't spectacular
@charlieblanchard5644 honestly this is such a good point.
One of the things I really don’t understand with this game is why does toy Bonnie not show up in the hallway everybody else does mangel foxy all of the witherds can show up in the hallway even golden Freddy just toy bonnie does not show up in the hallway even though toy chica does which makes no sense also you should be allowed to change the puppets ai in the custom night they should also make golden Freddy fade into the office at random times instead of him just appearing when you pull down the monitor he should also show up in the hallway more
It do be a little inconsistent
Personally, I think sister location is worse gameplay wise, but I also believe they are both lacking horror wise.
I mostly agree with your takes but gonna agree to disagree about Toy Chica being a sexualized design- she just has curves and eye lashes. Imo feminine (compared to OG Chica) ≠ sexual, y'know?
PS- Springtrap is melded to his Endo if you look at all the models :D so if anything he should be the heaviest of them besides the fun times
She is in panties all the time.
26:03 I think Toy Bonnie got fed up when u called his design cute so he went to stage 2- ( cause the night guard to rage quick)
A criticism I have of this game that you didn't mention is that the environment is just so empty and boring. All the other fnaf games use dark, grungy colours to conceal the building, blue in fnaf 1, 4 & SL and green in Fnaf 3, but in fnaf 2 everything is just washed in this bright white. The game just doesn't have the environmental tension the other games have because everything is so bright. And not only that, the entire pizzeria is so empty, there's barely any props, all the rooms are so wide.
Compare backstage in fnaf 1 to parts and service in fnaf 2. Backstage is tight & cluttered, animatronic heads lining the walls, the center of the frame being taken up by an unnerving endoskeleton. In fnaf 2, parts & service is a massive, empty white room with the 4 animatronics laying about. There isn't even like a repair bench in it. It's so plain and boring. This goes for basically all the other rooms in the game as well.
No utilising of the cameras, sitting in the mask loads, repetitive mechanics and loads of RNG. Boring!
Opinion accepted (I love this game)
Claiming that the game coming out 95 days later being "rushed" ignores the fact Scott admits that he basically stayed up day and night to work on games back then. Probably not very healthy for him, but taking into consideration that ClickTeam is relatively easier to use, and he already had a solid basis for a sequel, it seems pretty reasonable. He was able to push games out easily.
I dont wanna discredit Scott but after talking to all my game developers friends who also say up all day and all night to complete games, it was definitely rushed. If you watch my video on all the clipping in this game you'll see what I mean. Obviously from a business perspective it was a smart decision to ride the wave but the game did suffer
@@jerakaigamez I really don't think so. Really the only points I can find myself agreeing on are the fact that the music box runs out way too fast in later nights, and that the jumpscares are heavily lacking (honestly they're worse than Springtraps for me in a lot of cases). Also I HATE Toy Freddy's office blackout, the black eyes are so fucking stupid to me cuz it's not like Toy Chica where it's the endo eyes, it's just like... He replaced his eyes? Like what even?
But otherwise, I'd easily say (ignoring the Steelwool stuff obv) the worst game is UCN if I'm being biased, and FNAF3 if I'm being subjective. FNAF2 definitely isn't my favorite, (that goes to FNAF4 for me) but I really don't see it being the worst, especially considering almost everyone else agrees that it's just a general improvement over the first.
The reason the animatronics leave when you put the mask on once they already enter is due to the fact it confuses their A.I, I may be wrong but I think Phone Guy literally explains that
I believe that's the point of the game. It's meant to be a high stress, high speed onslaught where even the slightest error can kill you, and where you need to be careful with every move you make. That seems to be the appeal for everyone, beating a game relentlessly pushing at you again and again.
@@SteveCrafts2k i just wish the cameras were more useful, the puppet ruined that. Also, the jumpscares are so bad.
@roland066
In defense of the camera, FNAF has often made it so that if you know what you're doing, you'd only need one or two screens at all times.
@@SteveCrafts2kTrue, but in fnaf 2 Scott is practically begging you not to switch the camera off of the puppet. So many party rooms, just to never be looked at past night 3.
@@SteveCrafts2kbut some fan games do cameras way better than Scott did, no offense to him. Five Nights at Candy’s and One Night at Flumpty’s for example.
For me I only like FNaF 2 is because of how many unique animatronics there are
Wow this contrasts with one of my older videos... "Why FNaF 2 is Peak Perfection". I'm curious about your thoughts on Sister Location as well.
I'm working on sister location!
I heard him say that ruin is his least favourite now
Yes
While the gameplay loop is indeed extremely shallow when looking back at it, we can’t forget the many good things it brought the series.
The music box exists because if it didn’t you would have to flush the toilet for the animatronics
Yes i can 100% agree with your opinion about this game and im sure others can too since this game can definitely be a PAIN out of all of the fnaf games. And its like you do the same thing over and over which gets boring when your repeatability charging up the music box and putting the mask on. ITS REDUCLOUS. But we can all agree on how good the lore is for this game.
Lore is goated but gameplay sucks
good points, I still personally love fnaf 2 and its always been my favorite, I'm pretty weird though
I think the music box is the only problem I have with this game that bothers me a lot because like, you literally do not use cameras, at all. just the music box, huge shame.
Also you make really good videos, keep the youtube grind up bro
Glad its your favourite even after my speech! And cheers appreciate it!
I mean the concept of a character that hates you wearing the mask would be withered Freddy right? Because HE'S Freddy not YOU
Facts
In a ironic way fnaf 2 Reimagined and Fnaf open source both make the withreds only effected by the lights which technically make sense like I understand that they only made foxy affected by the lights but why not the other 3 just make them a little bit easier than foxy except Freddy plus it doesn’t make sense for them to be affected by the mask since technically only the new models have the facial recognition scanner thing
honesty you have many valid points, as a fnaf enjoyer myself I can agree on a lot of the points that were made in this video, the only thing I don't like about this game is the toy animatronics.
Valid!
I am open minded, i think you have good points but i think that the animatronics instantly killing you is bad, you pull the cameras up which blocks you whole screen, meaning it is actually blocking your face so they dont see you, thats why when you put the mask on when taking off the camera is like "oh its just Freddy" this is just my opinion but i hooe you can understand (also very late)
It would have to be accompanied by a sound cue. Think fnaf 2 reimagined that game kinda got it right
To this day i will never understand how 10/20 is so much harder or hectic than 50/20
So far not all horror games should be scary at all times, sometimes it needs to be challenging because blinding everything with horror would only get used by players especially the horror gamers.
Staying at cam 11 for the music box is actually a god tier mechanic, you can barely track down the treat because you're keeping an eye to a limited immobilizer that's keep running out from time to time.
Also to mention not all people can handle extreme mechanics, some prefer to stick with simple but intense which FNaF 1 and 4 implied, shining lights and slamming doors.
FNaF 2 also came out couple of months after Scott released FNaF 1 so it's possible that he's totally worn out, plus it's one of his early games so expect to be perfect. He does have extreme mechanics back then such as the toxic meter on the mask but he decided to take it out despite it may be too much for the player which is confirmed true cause there are many FNaF fan games that has toxic meter and most players are afraid to use the mask or either having bad timing despite after one animatronic left there's another one arrived and the meter is extremely high, so how do you expect them to survive in that scenario?
Again, I know everyone has their own thoughts and I love FNaF 2 ever since I was a young boy and it's also my very first FNaF game which I'v discovered from DanTDM.
Thank you for making this video!!! Everyone ways trashes on Sister Location or Security Breach as the "worst FNAF games" but despite there many flaws, at least those games are fun and entertaining!!! FNAF 2 gameplay is borning and redundant!!! Nothing changes each night besides new characters but there's no way you can approach the game with different strategies because the problems all get solved the same way!!! The game is just overwhelming to the point were it's more stressful then scary!!!
No problem glad you enjoyed this video!
I personally think that fnaf 3 is the worst bc the jumpscares aren’t even scary and I don’t like the characters in general, except for Springtrap tho he’s pretty creepy but his jumpscare is so bad. I can see why this is bad tho, but I love the withereds’ and mangle, the other toys are not that scary, but toy chica is terrifying without her beak, and puppet is just amazing, but the freaking music box, it’s so annoying and a bad feature that they added, I think they should have only make you play it 1-3 times during the night
Fair enough and yeah the music box should be its own thing and be nerfed
The idea with springtrap is that he isnt a robot (well he is) But not pure robot he approaches you like a regular person as a murderer would i feel as if he should have lunged at us with a knife or smt bc the walking is pretty bad but idk
3:47 except its nonsensically a prequel
And also you cant even disable foxy and/or customize puppet, not to mention you cant even see half the cameras making them even more useless
If there’s something I wish for this game it’s that on later nights the puppet was WAY more lenient, the toys came into your office instead of the withereds and the withereds needed the torch in the cams to be pushed back to parts and service. Wait, that sounds like something…
5:21 what are you talking about? In Ultimate Custom night it is even more forgiving. Toy bonnie will slide across your whole sceen and you just need to throw the mask on for a second before he moves across the whole screen. So i don't get your issue with the animatronics not instantly killing you. In all the games they could juat instantly kill you if they are standing right outside your door. Phone guy even said the mask messes with their ai, it's called suspension of disbelief.
6:14 you're acting like this isn't an issue for fnaf 1 and 3. In 1 you juat keep your cam on 4b and in 3 you keep your camera on the room right next to the room right outside your office and every once in a while reset an error.
10:26 saying this is crazy when fnaf 1 and 3 exist. Fnaf 1 is left light, flip cams, check for chica in 4b, if not right light, left light, flip cams. And fanf 3 is wait to see spring trap, audio lure, reboot. Amd hope he doesn't ignore like 3 audio lures in a row.
12:27 that is literally foxys job, I sort of get what you are saying that it should punish you if you put on the mask when no one is there but then you would have to turn down the speed that animatronics kill you if you don't immediately put on the mask.
15:54 again suspension of disbelief. in lore mangle isn't supposed to do things like walk on the ceiling yet because of either possession or the other possessed animatronics is causing mangle the be able to do that.
20:42 do you see the ventilation shafts? Those are definitely not normal vents that are in the ceiling made of tinfoil.
25:25 this whole point boils down to "the max mode is hard". so? The only valid complaint you really make is toy bonnie. Him being random may or may not have even been intentional but simply saying the max mode is hard and very time restrictive is laughable when 50/20 exists for difficulty and fnaf 3 exist for rng bullshit.
Everything else you said I sort of agree with.
Hi! I got some fnaf challange ideas for you guys! 1st: You have to beat Fnaf 1 all the nights BUT for every night you have to eat a slice of pizza. You have to finish the food before the night ends and you cant die. 2nd: you have to beat fnaf 2 but the music box cant go under half (i hope you know what i mean and also till the 3rd night not all of fnaf 2). 3rd: Try and beat fnaf 3 but you cant let springtrap be far from you you always have to make sure he is close but you cant die
WOW, I’ve never seen people who dislike FNAF 2, but I understand that people do. It’s a huge spike in difficulty compared to the original, but hey, this comes from a guy whose favorite game in the franchise is FNAF 3.
I love Fnaf 2
Toy Bonnie is just a Silly Femboy
LMAOOOO
Lol
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you're not funny
Im not trying to offend anyone, but only children and actual femboys think toy bonnie is a femboy
I like how Mangle and BB work where you have to have the mask when they come in or you are screwed
Valid i do like how they don't kill u right away or cause u to die
Toy Chica technically also works like that, but she doesn't wait and immediately goes for the kill
Yeah and Mangle can make you feel on edge, knowing that you could be jumpscared at any moment.
I don’t really care for Fnaf 2 but I do like the blackouts and the ambiance it provides when the mask is on
I do too! I wish it was different for the withered and the toys though
Most people have FNAF 2 at the top and FNAF 3 at the bottom, but for me it's the exact opposite. Of course, both have their own flaws, but FNAF 3 feels... smarter. Springtrap is a dynamic force that requires strategy to beat (unless you use the CAM 2 or CAM 10 strat), with the Phantoms being more of a supporting cast. In FNAF 2, every animatronic feels the same, minus Foxy and the Puppet.
I feel the same way. FNAF 3 was more personal and felt like you were doing more when you were doing less, while in FNAF 2 you have 9 characters would could just be the same character
I agree, even though FNAF 3 might be a bit boring, Springtrap being silent unlike Scraptrap is terrifying, not to mention it’s not only a good designed animatronic, Springtrap is a flipin killer. FNAF 3 isn’t my fully favorite, but it is up there for me.
honestly this video says everything i was thinking, the game is supposed to feel chaotic with having 10 different threats to deal with but really it's just 3, music box, flashlight, mask bitches.
fnaf 1 alone has more varied threats with a fraction of the characters cause sure bonnie and chika are reskins of eachother foxy and freddy use the camera system differently and progress differently while both needing to redirect attention from the more basic animatronics.
sadly i do think half of the scott cawthon fnaf games suffer from this exact issue of rushed development, dude himself said his only playtesters were his children and he probably could have got specific feedback on how to do good jumpscares especially since he had the reach and money after fnaf 1 to hire them. like fnaf 3 being way too easy to crack with lackluster jumpscares to 4's story needing a second pass, or any feedback whatso ever like making dream theory canon? that's the most hated media theory ever, any writer could have told him how annoying it'd be and even the retcon of fnaf 4 being a servelance thing doesn't work, i don't think afton can make a fredbear plush that turns its head into a flower.
wasn't really until fnaf world where scotts habit of releasing alpha builds of games became enough of an issue to draw criticism, i like the fnaf world designs and love my quirky rpg systems but the game lacking any sorta skill progression was plain bad game design, like look at pokemon another massive rostered game where you progress by unlocking characters, their moves aren't fully unlocked when you get the character, there is a reason to level up beyond stat walls. you'll unlock moves with varying effects and functions and you'll have to replace your limited pool of moves.
a good rpg has gameplay differences between level 1 and 100 and if it doesn't it'll have special mechanics for under leveled players be it kingdom hearts damage floors and instakill protection. and this is why i think scotts lightning in a bottle analogy in the dawko interview is a little innacurate, he was able to replicate and enhance the first games horror in 4, he just served undercooked games without the additional care the first game. it's not a coincidence his best game was the one forged from criticism while playing to the strengths of the game engine.
i do like ucn and pizzaria simulator (i haven't personally played the other fnaf games and after his political donations i don't want my money to support them) they are only really limited by the game engine they're in, has the same feel as those non rpg rpg maker games where you really feel the game engine holding back the experience being created, though with the office designs yeah dude should have gotten feedback before making renders, scrap baby and molten freddy are fine but lefty has an entirely different artstyle and afton... well he's afton, i know making something you're bad at is hard, but as an artist i can say i'll at least erase a hand if it's so god awful it distracts from the rest of the piece.
If Scott spend an extra month just play testing, the games would probably be alot better
Here are my thoughts on the video. It’s a lot so I understand if you don’t want to read it all:
3:18 agreed. Good cutscenes.
4:25 it does make you feel exposed which I think is good. I get what you’re saying that it needs to feel like you have time to put the mask on and that if the animatronic is already in your office, it’s dumb because you’ve already been caught. I just want to add the fact that in fnaf 1 when the animatronic is at your door and you have the light on it’s basically the same thing like, what’s stopping them from just going in why are they just standing there? I have seen a version of fnaf 2 which I believe is called fnaf 2 deluxe where the animatronics do an animation of them entering the office and they don’t look at you until the animation ends which is how I think it should be.
6:14 “too high maintenance” I agree, it feels like you need to be on it constantly and don’t have time to do anything else which can be bad since once the puppet’s out and you’re no where near finishing the night it’s over. You can’t really check any other camera and there’s no real need to. I came up with a solution but I don’t think many would agree. I thought of changing Mangle’s mechanics to work like Foxy but you use the camera lights on Mangle. You would hear the static similarly to something like Freddy playing his music in the kitchen in fnaf 1 and if the radio is louder in a camera then that is the camera Mangle is in, or you could just look at the camera and see Mangle but it would be more interesting if the darker areas of the cams were utilised and Mangle would hide there so you’d have to pay attention to the static. Plus it would parallel foxy since you use your flashlight for him while the cam light is for Mangle and they’re both foxes. Also I’d make the music box a tad slower so you actually have time to look at the cameras. If my idea doesn’t exactly work then that’s fine but the other cams aren’t utilised as much and the only important one is the music box.
9:37 “doesn’t feel like you’re pushing foxy back and it just seems like he gets bored and leaves” ok but how would you exactly change that?
10:43 gameplay loop is boring? Music box -> Mask -> Light. Fnaf 1 is somehow better? It’s just Cam -> Door -> Cam
11:28 ok I do have to give you that one. Too many characters behave the same. Again, why I wanted to change Mangle’s mechanic. Too many require the mask but I don’t think that’s a problem since everyone in fnaf 1 requires the doors. The problem is how they use the mask. I’ve watched a video from another youtuber called Sire Squawks where he mentioned how you should move around in the mask in ways to avoid the animatronics seeing you, at least that’s what I can remember since I haven’t watched that video in a while. The video was called “Where FNaF 2 & 4 Fell Short”.
13:10 I do agree the blackout characters should leave the office faster. Don’t know how I feel about a character not liking the mask and you have to leave it off, it could work with a withered animatronic because foxy already ignores the mask but it wouldn’t fit the lore of the toys except for mangle since they’re damaged and that could interfere with their facial recognition.
13:24 I definitely think the music box should be nerfed. It should be way slower but I don’t agree with it not needing to be wound after you fully wind it because I feel like it constantly winding down makes it stressful instead of a convenient task, just isn’t scary in my opinion if you can make the box stop going down for a long time. But that’s just my personal opinion. Your change can work but I’m not really a fan of the timer thing. Just make the music box slower.
14:03 ok, yes toy Freddy does look unsettling in the office but I’ve seen some people criticise it. I used to be unsettled by toy bonnie’s jumpscare because of how his eyes just got really small. I don’t anymore but for some reason I just got creeped out. Toy Chica is… unfortunate. The beak removing thing is cool but why did Scott make the design in general so SMASHable? It’s a robot for a kid’s restaurant! What?
15:05 I honestly think BB has a good design it’s just that his personality and mechanic with constant laughing is what makes people hate him. For a first time player, hearing him randomly say “hi” and leave the play area seems like it’s a decent lean towards creepy. I do think his concept can work and I don’t think he’s out of place at all.
15:18 puppet is definitely one of the best designs. The strings puppeteering it when it’s coming out the box is a cool touch and the mask with the purple tears is creepy.
16:00 it is weird that mangle can walk on the ceiling but is it not creepy? Even the jumpscare when it comes from above to bite you, that seems terrifying but I get not everyone would agree. Some people tried to explain why mangle can go on the ceiling because there are wires everywhere throughout the building but wouldn’t mangle get tangled up in all those wires?
16:36 the different jumpscare noise for toys and withereds a cool idea. I think they should generally have the main noise but the withered animatronics have a more “broken” or “glitchy” sounding version. The current jumpscare noise is too iconic for me to want it changed too much and the fangame “JR’s” has a jumpscare sound in the basement level that’s similar to the fnaf 2 sound. I definitely think the jumpscares when they jump at you look goofy but I do like foxy’s.
16:52 golden freddy’s jumpscare is just a floating head getting closer. I agree it looks a little low effort but I think there is a way to make it work with the right presentation.
17:29 withered Freddy is horrific? I can see that but to me he doesn’t look withered enough. That’s just me though, he still looks fine. His office render is genuinely amazing. So good that funko use it in merch but they never made actual merch of withered Freddy himself.
17:57 withered bonnie is my personal favourite withered, however some people say he’s overrated because it’s just bonnie without a face. Him missing his face is what makes it so unsettling but people do have different tastes I guess.
18:33 I don’t have much to say about withered Chica but she definitely is creepy with that broken jaw and wide eyes. The constant t-pose is kinda weird to me though.
20:39 office design? The vent thing? I don’t know how a massive animatronic can go there either but it’s more unique that just the fnaf 1 office again but now there’s a middle door. I think it’s fine for the toys to be able to fit in since they are smaller (other than toy Freddy).
21:36 oh yeah, those vents sure look big. Almost like they could fit an animatronic. You couldn’t have made it more obvious Scott.
I really think the custom night is odd. First, the difficulties cap at 15 for most animatronics. Also toy Bonnie is just plain stupid.
Also also, boring and repetitive? Again, fnaf 1 custom night isn’t? It’s literally camera, close doors, camera, open doors. That’s most fnaf 1 custom night playthrough I’ve seen at least.
Anyway, that’s all my thoughts. It really sucks fnaf 2 turned out this way because it had the potential. You don’t have to reply to all my thoughts, I’m just commenting my opinions like what the comment section is literally used for.
Im replying to everything haha
1st Point: Agree cutscenes are banging
2nd Point: FNAF 1 obviously makes sense for sure with the doors, I think that the first game relied on player reactions (most people would immediatley close the door, plus animatronics lights in their eyes?) FNAF 2 deluxe is cool ive played it
3rd Point:I like your mangle Idea alot it would be cool if you had to prevent them from getting anywhere near your office
4th Point:Even a stinger would have helped like in help wanted. Have him appear with a stinger and then leave faster. Or have more renders of him getting closer and futher away like with Funtime freddy
5th Point:The difference is that when playing FNAF 1, theres more freedom in how to play and theres always RNG involved with characters hogging your door. EVeryone approaches this game differently and you can beat the game with different stratergies. FNAF 2 makes you use the gameplay loop, you cant improvise or make your own strat you have to do mask-light-music box. FNAF 1 you can keep track of every character, or just watch foxy, or just watch freddy, have freddy never leave the show stage or let him come to 4B, theres alot of possiblites.
6th Point: The doors work because 1:FNAF 1 is small enough that having 2 characters go to each door is different enough for the unquieness of it. 2.The doors are separate with different actions, you have to shut that door they are on and leave yourself exposed to the other one. In fnaf 2 regardless of where someone is its exactly the same respone. Also with the doors, shutting the doors has risk of power. Plus the doors are arguebly a stronger mechanic. Also ive seen that video I cant remember exactly why but i had some problems with how that video was presented. I agree with the mask movement thing though
7th Point: Main idea is the older models have the mask mechanic because they have the old glitch. The new ones would need to see the face isnt william which is who they would attack, except mangle and puppet. Something like that would have just added more to the game.
8th Point:Fair point with the timer, but yeah music box should be nerfed, by night 4 you wanna punch it outer existence
9th Point:Designs are peoples opinion you may like some you may hate others, but yes why is toy chica allowed to be considered smashable
10th Point:Design is subjective and I dont mind a mechanic like his I just think its a bit weak with how the game flows
11th Point:Yes
12th Point: I dont get Mangle walking on the ceiling regardless of how creepy it is its so unrealistic. Theres nothing that should let them do that
13th Point:Jumpsacres defs could be improved, also love JRS
14th Point:I agree FNAF 1 Golden freddys jumpscare is one of my favs because of the presentation
15th Point:I love withered freddys design but he could have been more withered (joy of creation)
16th Point:I agree withered bonnie is good, less is more sometimes
17th Point:Hate the T pose
Final 2 Points: Office design went down when i played this the other day it looks really bad and makes no sense, FNAF 3s office is cool and you could do something a little different.My problem isnt the animatronics fitting into the vent (although again scott they are huge) its the fact they would break the vent because they are too heavy
Overall, respect your opinion, hope you enjoyed the vid!
the toy animatronics desing are one of the best desing when you remember you are in a place for kids,so it is not supposed to be scary,but friendly
I watched the vid and i totally agree with all of this, while i disagree about it being the worst this video definitely stated facts, me personally i love fnaf 2, flaws and all even if it ain't my favorite
Very glad you enjoy fnaf 2, its definitely grown on me with its strong suits.
This game use to be my favorite in the franchise when I was younger. I still like it but this game compared to others did not innovate at all. The worst thing of this game is the music box, it destroys the main purpose of FNaF. looking at the cameras and exploring, But Nights after 4 or t you need to focus on the music box, and the mask pretty much being used for most characters, it’s just incredibly unbalanced.
wait i thought that they didnt jumpscare you instantly if you didn't put the mask on in time to trick the player into thinking they're safe and adding some tension for like 5 seconds after they go away
The one thing I disagree with is that this game is very difficult. The withereds feel very unforgiving.
Night 6 and 7 are stupidly difficult
@@jerakaigamez I agree. I beat Night last night and called it quits after trying Night 6.
@@groveranimations you can do it!
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I think it would be better, if each animatronic had it's own gameplay mechanic (like UCN). So that would've been more interesting to play.
As someone who's been trying to 100% the game for the first time, the biggest case against the game I see is that you need to be on the puppet's cam all night, which leads to you not seeing any of the really cool camera renders, and while i personally don't really like the puppet's mechanic, the second part is just not true. While most runs of the game only care about cam 11, 7 different animatronics can be stalled by flashing them in the cameras. And even though its really difficult to do, stalling the animatronics in this way is the only 100% consistent way to beat 10/20 mode, called the Minus 7 strategy. In fact, even the puppet can be stalled by the flashlight to an extent. Someone beat night 1 without winding the music box this way. So i dont think that the ganeplay is irredeemable, abd more importantly, the game did so much else for the series than just subpar gameplay. Minigames, Character Designs, Gender Disputes, Animations, Nostalgia, Theories, The Purple Guy, the first mention of Fredbear, Rare animatronics, and so much more. Even if you think that the gameplay or whatever else is atrocious in this game, you cant deny that it had the largest affect on the fanbase over any other game. Anyways, rant over, time to lose to 10/20 some more.
I came here just READY to be like man wtf this is literally the best one. But I do get the gripes and opinions are well constructed I suppose. This still will always be my favorite purely cus the vibe and from the time it came out generally
I mean fair im glad you love this game! Glad you ended up enjoying the video!
Who let him cook?
i completely agree fnaf 2 is extremely overrated the main problems being the gameplay loop ( which gets really boring after night 3). One of my only positives are the designs and the custom night challenges/plushies. (besides 10/20)
I mean Fnaf one is kinda overrated and there’s a loop of look at lights, check foxy,foxy is gone so close door,open door, check lights, check foxy, check lights see Bonnie/chica,close the door,and game is over. It’s just over and over (like Fnaf two )but Fnaf two has more animatronics and stuff (that’s my opinion)
@@maxtontheslothandthegang true but i beleive that in fnaf 1 there are enough characters that have different mechanics and are unique, fnaf 1 is also more lenient but i can also see where your coming from.
FNAF 1 does have some flaws and im not saying fnaf 2 is horrible its just my personally my least favourite.
Gameplay loop of fnaf 2 definitely sucks. Also with FNAF 1 I understand that gameplay loop is quite simple too. One thing I love is that every character behaves differently. And the main difference is flexibility. FNAF 1 there is the optimal strategy you follow with checking freddy and foxy and lights but FNAF 1 is more of an experience game I feel. From watching someone else play it for the first time everyone approaches tings differently. FNAF 2 is mainly just training you to get into the rhythm and its not as fun
@@jerakaigamez honestly agree with fnaf 2 could have benefited with having different mechanics eg. having toy Freddy animatronics who need you to stare at the with the mask off or having the withered animatronics that pull your mask down. It’s ok to have animatronics have the same gameplay use some variety would just be good.
@@twisty_mullet absolutely would love some different mechanics
I also think it’s bad, but here is why it’s because night one is too easy for me and if it’s too easy, it’s not fun and if it’s not fun, it’s not good(this is just to agree for him)
Hi I'm a new subscriber and I liked your video and I respect your opinion about Fnaf 2 but I had a idea what if the mechanics from Fazbear entertainment storage We're in Fnaf 2 and maybe it could be a bit different or the same for the toys but I think the Withereds should have their own unique mechanics that are balanced and fun and not That difficult but yeah I think that would be a cool idea in my opinion
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i wouldn't call it the WORST- i feel like there are other games that kinda disprove that. UCN majorly takes the cake for being "rushed", the jumpscares are lazy, and it's really just a mash of different games into one, and if you hate the game being overcrowded you would hate it more than fnaf 2. there is also pizza simulator, and fnaf 3, pizza simulator's nights are the most confusing and the audio doesn't work half the time. fnaf 3 is bad on terms of jumpscares. but the biggest game to really take the cake on being the worst is sb in my opinion. It's not really fnaf, and it's worse than poppy playtime because there is no scare factor at all in the game. The jumpscares suck, and it feels rushed because of how buggy it is. But i can also see why it's one of the worst games- you either know how to play it or you don't just like some of the other listed fnaf games, and yes, you can't really enjoy the game and what it has thanks to the puppet being so active.
Withered Golden Freddy never needed to exist. It also never needed to be THE FASTEST ANIMATRONIC IN THE GAME
blud trynna be different🙏😭
A lot more people hold this opinion than you think, my guy.
wtf you talking about
Nah, he's spat facts. 2 is genuinely the worst fnaf game. It don't mean it's a bad game, just the worst of the original 4 or 5 games.
foxy literally in his code gets more pissed off if you use the mask longer, my biggest problems with the game is that the cameras are useless u dont even have time in late nights to check them due to the music box. they dont have the same importance as in 1 or 3, its the most luck based game out of fnaf, and i dont like how the flashlight battery is useless its pretty impossible to lose power unlike the first game, but is still my personal fav fnaf
Although your points are reasonable I dont think your arguments are enough to justify it as the worst, especially when security breach exists.
Respect your opinion! I personally love security breach I just have more fun with it
As someone who has been trying to beat 10/20 mode, I 100% agree with you on the music box and Toy Bonnie
@Afton-ph9uw I am beating the challenges and I can confirm that toy bonnie and puppet always suck no matter what challenge you playing
I believe the point of the game is to be quick in reflexes and be able to multitask three things at the same time.
I know this is a 5 months video but did you noticed that after Pizzeria simulator is created Fnaf 1 becomes pointless to the story?
I know this will be a quiet long explanation and you probably won't read it anyways but...
Fnaf 2 and Fnaf 4 is the backstory , Fnaf 4 is where Michael accidentally killed Evan which caused William to go crazy and start to kill kids and his business partner's daughter charlie in FNAF 2
Sister location is when the plot begins to move, Michael sets on finding Elizabeth who also becomes an accidental victim of his dad's creation so he went there get scooped his body got taken got abandoned and then live once again
And then Michael sets off to find his father to which he found at Fnaf 3 where William rises from the Dead and then to Pizzeria Simulator where both Michael and Henry (The business Partner) sets off to lure the Animatronics and William to a trap building to set the souls free and send William to Hell
So what is FNAF 1's purpose?? Why would Michael go to a complete new place at a new location with no old animatronics are used in there but rather they build new ones with similarity to the old ones and same theme
I'm not trying to disrespect the very first game to the franchise i still love it. Gotta love the OG
OG fnaf rules