War Thunder Bf109G2 vs P38J15 | Remarkably Even!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 ก.ย. 2024
- Ammo:
-7.92mm: Stealth
-20mm: Air Targets
Convergence: 400m
Manual Engine Control settings:
-30% radiators or automatic
With the help of dogeness, two very different aircraft duel and it's a tight match! 2 (3) duels are featured out of 25 minutes of fighting.
dogeness' TH-cam channel:
/ likemynewname
Sea level speed spreadsheet:
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Link to the Discord of my squadron:
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Fun fact: In the first fight I didn’t use prop pitch air brake and kept auto prop pitch on, which is why I overshot in the “rolling cylinder”. But in the second fight I did use prop pitch air brake and was able to stay behind him. That and a higher flap rip speed meant that the P-38J has a pretty good pseudo-airbrake too, just like the 109 :P
Yeah it seemed like your deceleration was higher in the second clip. Can't dwell on it too long during the fight though ;).
Is prop pitch airbrake the new meta?
lol yes it is
Adam514 i used it years ago ;) didn't tell anyone tho
Os2u vs. swordfish or po2????????
Haha I've gotta say I don't think I've ever flown them.
Gulag for u, always fly po-2
wanted to see how you would go as a p38
Can't you extrapolate?
Me too
@@AdamTheEnginerd Can you play the p38? We want to see what you would do in this fight as the p38 pilot
Perhaps eventually.
Rolling cylinder lmao.
Good fight .
Hahaha thanks!
13:51 when you and your enemy thought it was a good idea to turn in so we can get on each other 6 but instead you both predict it so early you bro hug each other.
Haha exactly!
"rolling cylinder" more like how to lose altitude xD
Lol 0% throttle with flaps and prop pitch airbrake, I hope we'd lose altitude! And it'll all be worth it if the enemy overshoots...
yea I know, like it wasn't to discredit the maneuver ...
what happens is both opponents try to get positional advantage by cutting their half turn into half split-s, so if you don't follow him down you can't win the turning engagement.
In a pure 1vs1 I think it's almost natural to do this kind of maneuver, since that's where most of the game is decided.
But early in the match, even if you are facing a much less maneuvrable plane and you know for sure you can outturn him, you generally don't want to spend the time and the altitude to do that and it can be quite frustrating ... That's why I generally hate when people do this kind of maneuver to me because that means I must not follow them and that's an opportunity to kill someone that goes away.
In a many versus many, I think quick kills that don't put you too much into danger is what you should be looking for, since when one team starts falling apart it's usually very hard for them to come back, especially if your team didn't have the time to die yet.
fuck this comment is way too long already
Yeah no worries, I didn't take it that way either.
Yeah in pure 1vs1 you can't hope to outdefensive fly your opponent either, since in a 1vs1 you don't have to worry on keeping your energy up/finishing the fight quickly.
Certainly, early in the match if they dive away and you could get the kill if you chased them, you shouldn't (if you are better than average). That means that your altitude is worth more to your team than the kill on the diving aircraft. That's part of the reason why you can't measure usefulness to the team by kills. Kills aren't all equal.
Nah not too long ;).
It's also why 1vs1s in no way reflect how you should be flying in a real match. Some stuff is the same, but a lot is different.
Well now we have to see Adam take P38 into realistic
I did P38L!
20 likes. 1 dislike. that one must be dogeness.
VikingSail lmao wtf dude? What reason would I have to dislike this? Adam is my friend and I love doing these duels with him
:))) are you german?
no I'm Brazilian American. Why?
Lol I'm sure VikingSail was joking, right?
oh germans don't have sarcasm I get it
Wait, if Bf 109 G-2 turns better, then why is this turn-fight so painstaking
P38 has better flaps and roll, and probably a better T/W at very low speed than the G2, so it's close.
A lot of this fight is adam being forced into manuevers that are not ideal because of the flaps and hard elevator authority on that p38. You really only see a straight up turnfight at the end before the 109's engine dies.
Dogeness doesn't just follow adam into a turn. Every time it looks like the 109 can go up a little higher and stall the p38 out, dogeness maintains just enough speed to get a shot if adam were to try that
Cannot tell you how many times my friend and I get into duels with similar performing aircraft and we naturally think to do the exact same thing at the exact same time and end up ramming each other in the end.
Haha! I know the feeling.
First!
I'm still waiting Adam; I am still waiting for the Yak-9T video...
Just joking, but It would be cool if you did it.
edit: How did you get so good at flying?
Haha it's on my list!
90 days of fighters ;).
Edit: and Aerospace Engineering of course!
Best dogfight i ever seen. Very balanced.
Thanks, I agree!
Could you make a full K-4 match video?
Yes sir!
Adam, these videos are some of my favorites! It's always interesting watching you struggle since matchmaking seems to be a bit too easy for you lol
Haha glad to hear it! In fact in random matches a good portion of players don't care about the win, makes it boring sometimes...
Hey, watched some other videos which belonged to a couple of idiots trying to turn you down and I'm not proud of it. But I LOVED how you stayed calm an answered them. Keep rollin' bud!
Thanks mate! I always keep calm!
And no worries about watching them, I encourage everyone to watch everything and make your own opinion.
Imo u should have won if only that 20mm didn't spark
Meh, there's always a decent chance for any weapon to do little damage, as was the case irl. It happens.
Adam514 but it was a micong(can't spell it right lol) German he shell to the engine, that engine should have blown up, I blame how gaijin ruined cannons
Godxilxhero actually that much he means no pen, so some shell detonate on skin and do only airfoil damage and little spar damage
Also, air target belt isn't 100% HE mine shells. 2 out of the 6 shells are AP with no HE, so with such a short burst, it's possible that no HE shell hit at all.
Besides that, the P-38 is a huge aircraft. 1-2 HE shells are definitely not guaranteed to cause critical damage.
Good fights btw. Two skilled pilots duking it out is always exciting to watch.
I don't think it was a bit to the engine, it looked very central, like a fuselage hit.
I think Mg151s are perhaps the best cannon in terms of damage output. I'm very satisfied whenever I use them. I don't consider that small burst unlucky, every gun does that quite often and it's normal.
Thanks Broman! It was very intense!
Sooner or later, it’d be excellent if you could just teach us how to use manual engine control in a video!
(P.S. Forgive me Ashwin19 / Shadowaffles if you’re reading this, I realised I was being a pompous prat in the Discord)
Yeah I'll do that eventually haha.
Bf 109G2 just seems to be in controle in these fights, if no mistakes are made it should be a win almost every time. But the margin for error is pretty thin. So yea.. really fun matchup for Bf 109G2 as are most of the big fat US planes in its BR.
Hmm I think it was very close. G2 turns a bit better without flaps, but with flaps P38 might turn better.
GJ. Is there a difference in ammo weights? Could you dump 90% of your ammo to turn better? And also, I heard you could fuel purge, not sure if it is controllable or not? So maybe you could dump until 10 min left?
My hypothesis is yes, but it would require testing.
Airliners can dump fuel, WW2 fighters can't haha.
I recall one of my best moments in wt with my bf 109 g2 so we had mixed teams our team had cancer aka brits China and Germany 109s and spits mostly so the other team had japan and allies and like lo0ts of thicc p-47s and a ton of them were ground-pounding even some Japanese planes were ground-pounding! when we started killing the ground pounders the only planes that were up high were mostly Japanese and some p-47s then it became crazy EVERY single fighter dived and we had low altitude dogfighting everywhere also I say it as the "great war thunder turkey shootout" I got 5kills and in the last, there was just 1 Japanese b-17 and 5 of us even though his gunners got my pilot my teammate got the kill for me :)
Sounds fun.
the second duel looks like you lost because of the flap bleeding too much speed at the end.
Without flaps he would have outturned me with his flaps, I don't think I had a choice.
I don understand why you would want to keep your speed low cos the 109 turns a lot faster at around 400 kph
So does every plane. But Bf109s suffer from loss of thrust at low speed, so low speed turning/loops advantages its enemy.
That's the Rolling Scissors lol.
Great fight! Would you ever consider doing a video on MEC?
Nah in rolling scissors both planes cross each other, while we were turning around an imaginary line to make a cylinder.
Thanks!
Yeah I suppose I'll do a video on MEC eventually.
Excellent display. I assume he hit you with a .50 on that first shot; if it was the 20mm, you probably would have lost.
Yeah it was a tight one!
Probably, or perhaps it was the 20mm with one of the lower damage shells/got lucky with the hit placement as to do less damage.
I thought the p-38J turns better with flaps
It's pretty close that's for sure.
how to get the second infopanel?
It's called the "local host".
How to access the "local host":
You need to be running War Thunder or it won't work!
Option 1: on the same computer that is running WT:
-Type localhost:8111/ in the address bar and press enter and voila.
Option 2 (which also works on the computer that runs WT):
-Type Your_IP_Address:8111/ where you replace "Your_IP_Address" by your IP Address (192.168.X.XXX) in the address bar and press enter and voila, you can look at the characteristics on another device while flying.
How does the P38 perform in rolling scissors? Generally I use that a lot to get them off my tail.
Depends on the version of the P38. Some roll really well, and if you use flaps you can out scissors 109s for example.
Problem is when I play the p38j I always fought k4s (this was fairly recent and the match making system I feel is broken) all I could do is out run him 6km up where I guess the p38j is faster than the k4 from my experience.
Dub Dots Yeah P38s are high alt fighters, while the K4 is good at medium alt.
Adam514 yess 😭
At ~6:40 you should have been lowering your throttle and doing lag pursuit in the rolling scissors. You are pulling too much lead pursuit, which is only making you overshoot.
That would only slow us both down, and P38 has significantly better low speed maneuverability with its flaps, and no thrust loss at low speed unlike the Bf109. I don't see where you get the "lead" part from.
@@AdamTheEnginerd It would have slowed you down, but the combination of throttle control and lag pursuit would help prevent you from overshooting like you did in the video. I recommend you watch Zelator's video on trajectories and his scissoring videos (turn on subtitles). The technique would have been applicable, even in dissimilar planes. Pulling lead pursuit decreases separation, making you overshoot. Its Buzz_Beurling_ , by the way, nice dueling otherwise.
I think I've dueled him recently. I don't think I was pulling lead pursuit, I was just making sure I don't point my nose too much towards the ground to avoid picking up too much speed which would then lead to an overshoot.
Thats the problem with the 20mm. It doenst do ****. Thats why i prefer the 30mm.
In Arcade everything is different in SIM the p38 whoops all the 109s! you can not win in any fighting style! It climbs it turns and accelarates better and most important of all it does not have any engine torque due to conter rotating props! The TA152 can beat it in one fight and thats climbing spirals at +10k ft altitude! So Im very happy to see you shot the P-38 down satisfying as hell! Thank you Adam! ever thought about playing Simulator mode?
I don't think the P38 has counter-rotating props though. In AB and RB, torque isn't modeled.
My pleasure! I have toyed with the idea of playing SB, but looking for dots for hours would be harsh on my eyes.
@@AdamTheEnginerd It was so In the begining after som hours your awerness will improve a lot and of course youre Adam514 so it will improve even more!
@@AdamTheEnginerd It has Adam in low speed it does not tip over like the 109! Especially with the autoslats that can pop out on one wing making it tip in the other direction :´( But this vid makes me happy again :)
@@AdamTheEnginerd The P-38 does actually have counter-rotating props.
Your BF 109 skills amaze me. When I play 109s I dive on enemies and when I'm at low alt, they sometimes shoot me down. Its easy to use the MER on the Ta 152 H, but for the Bf 109's I think you should go vertical to use the superior MER is it?
109s have average MER. Their main strength is their climb rate. You should start the fight above enemies, especially those you don't outturn.
@@AdamTheEnginerd Ummm sorry do you guys mind me asking what is MER?
Also hey I'm just getting the F series now I was wondering how I should try to fight the other nations generally? Just try to outclimb them and energy fight?
I felt like I enjoyed quite a bit of engine power and vertical performance in the E series but F and G I heard not so much?
@@hiram6123 MER (Maneuvering Energy Retention) is how much speed you keep after a turn or maneuver.
Maneuvering Energy Retention. Essentially it's a measure of how much energy (speed) an aircraft loses when maneuvering. Different aircraft will lose speed at different rates depending on their power, weight, wing, geometry, etc. I did some tests and made a video explaining it if you're interested: th-cam.com/video/wLA8cspXbbE/w-d-xo.html
Yanno for some reason I can not get used to German aircraft, so I end up flying the Italians instead.
Dinomra italian planes are more agile that the germans soo is somehow logic that you prefer them over the germans specially if you compare the G.55 Serie 1 and the Bf 109 G's
Yea the only thing I don't like is lack of armor, but the Germans do have the Cl-13 over the G.91 (which is still awesome) but not quite a 9.0.
G56 is awesome. The rest of the Italian aircraft are like a mix between Germany and Japan.
In my eyes. You are a god. That rolling cylinder was BADASS!
Haha thanks! Indeed!
Ik it’s not the same plane, but I outturned a G2 in a P38 G before. It was with flaps tho. P38s and 109s are both very good so it’s an interesting dogfight
G would turn a bit better than J. It's close.
hey hero, engine temp is just part of life. you simply cant pull over and add coolant. Rest in Peace though v.v
As i said in another video, prop control makes the difference as u noticed! A more agressive use of the rudder could help u to do tigth turns too! Nice video!
Thanks!
Hmm still not convinced I could have turned better with rudder use, I'll have to see an example of that!
Try to use in the top of the loops (like we do in hammerheads) and in low speed turns and u´ll see the difference!
Whenever I used the rudder when not below stall speed I didn't like the outcome haha.
Are there any rock-paper-scissors cycles in dogfighting? i.e. Plane A usually beats Plane B, which usually beats plane C, but Plane C usually beats Plane A
Can you rank order all wt planes by dogfighting potential?
Usually no. I'd say you can rank them yeah. Good question.
@@AdamTheEnginerd If that's the case I'd be really interested to see you make a tierlist of the common fighters. I don't think such a thing exists for air rb yet.
@@appa609 Could do that for turn radius.
@@AdamTheEnginerd Maybe 1 v 1 who wins from a neutral merge? You test that quite a lot anyways
@@appa609 That would be very time consuming, since you need to duel multiple times and switch sides for an accurate assessment.
I still don't get how the P38 has a good roll rate. All I ever learned about why some planes have good roll rates and why some don't was that the ones with good roll have very little mass off the center axis (you know, the old "figure skater pulls her arms in to accelerate in her pirouette and extends them to slow down"-thing everybody has heard in any roll rate discussion or explanation). Not only does the P38 have 2 engines off the center axis, but also 2 tails. Most of the plane is off the center axis, actually. It should have the worst roll rate ever.
Mass off center affects the roll inertia (so roll acceleration), not the sustained roll rate. P38 does indeed have high roll inertia, but it also has huge ailerons to compensate. So it will bleed a bit more speed to accelerate its roll as a FW for example since there's a bigger surface deflected to provide that roll acceleration creating more drag.
Roll is quite complicated.
hey. nice vid. when u gonna go back to doing voice? reading is hard
Only for the weak-minded.
Listen, bish. Your vids without voice are basically a glorified screensaver. My Mac came preloaded with "flying toasters" or "Adam514 poaching newbs in silence." Get yappin!
it's an old vid but i think this an example of superior flaps on P-38 that can keep up.
Yup. In later P38 videos I show how good the flaps are compared to average with numbers.
Never clicked faster in my life! These vids are actually giving me the edge in some fights simply by using your tactics! Thx m8
Haha my pleasure m8!
omg u can use radiators in combat. the drag they create is very low at low speeds
Yeah I do use them?
@@AdamTheEnginerd when you were doing that long horizontal turn for 10 or 20 seconds it looked like you had auto radiator on
No I was on 100% probably haha.
@@AdamTheEnginerd the radiator looked like it was closed but ok
Oh damn this reminds me of 109Ks' duel last week .
Adam with full fuel tank ....
Hahaha! It was 2 days ago! Right?
Adam514 Can't remember the exact date . But i remember how I got rekt lol
Hahaha but I was using tricks!!
Adam514 yes the prop pitch one.
Also u forgot to turn on auto control in one duel and burn your engine
Adam514 in retrospect when you were loaded with full fuel I got rekt even sooner than I expected right after the merge. You did a half loop and had a smaller turn radius due to lower speed and got a nice shot. I still don't know how to counter it lol. But i need a modern AAM to be able to get a good shot as yours .Damn
Omg the lack of keyboard lol.....
Lmao where??
Everywhere really... Btw, I was the guy who you dueled ( well the a7m ruined it ) in the Ta-152
You could have used the roll key in some places to make the maneuver sharper and faster, making you harder to hit. And using the elevator keys might have made your turns tighter, as when you only used mouse I noticed that the elevator wasn't fully down or up. So the plane wasn't being pushed as much you could say. Only my suggestion anyway. o7 keep up the good work.
What aircraft were you in?
Keyboard doesn't input more elevator than mouse. The restriction for elevator is the wing stalling. You can see that the angle of attack (AoA) is never higher than 12.5°. Over that, you enter a stall and your lift does not increase. Keyboard stops the AoA at 12.5° as well, same as mouse.
Its hard to explain, but I started using keyboard more for this reason. Sometimes when you move your mouse up, you think the elevator is fully up. But sometimes it's not, this probably made no sense whatsoever.
I was in the F8F-1, you were in the Ta-152. You said you wanted to duel even though it was on the deck with a Bearcat xD
Also, using keyboard allows you to look at the enemy without holding C, because the keyboard is controlling the aircraft, the mouse doesnt move it, allowing better awareness of where your enemy is. At 10:53, even though it was only slight damage, using keyboard could of saved you their imo because moving a mouse takes longer than pressing a button, and evading the shots but going up would of saved you from almost dieing at 10:58
Keyboard might deflect your surfaces faster to their max value. But the time difference must be minimal.
Oh yeah I remember!
I agree, however War Thunder is slow paced compared to other games, your opponent doesn't have full control of where he's going, so you never really lose track of him even if you aren't looking at him for a few seconds.
You cut throttle late in my opinion
If you let your radiators at 50% it wont overheat
G2Trop still overheats at 100%.
I cut it late because I use the prop pitch airbrake trick which drastically increases my deceleration, favoring a quick overshoot.
I dont know why War Thunder give G2 Trop with air filter instead of the regular G2. With the air filter the engine overheat easily and very slow to cool down!
Engine filter reduces the cooling effectiveness, and the filter irl was needed to protect the engine from sand.
ah yea the G2 is just much better in a turnfight
With flaps, not by that much.
@@AdamTheEnginerd I think flaps help the P-38 more than the 109 though
For sure, that's what I meant.
Thank you so much, sire!
Always a pleasure!
Do u keep held ur C button while fight him?
Well no, since I need to use my mouse. What I do is look with C, then move the mouse where I want to go, then look with C, repeat etc.
Adam514 thanks
un Han i am waiting adam to answers your question also xD
Adam514 what kind of this scissor is? th-cam.com/video/V8fpj3ZZMDI/w-d-xo.html
Notice when i fighting that last 109K
100% elevator doesn't mean max turn, since you're beyond the stall angle at that point which results in a big loss of lift. Keyboard, like mouse, gives you the best elevator for maximum amount of lift, so that part wouldn't change. Keyboard does deflect the control surface a bit faster so it might seem like you turn better initially, but the sustained turn rate after 0.5s is the same.
P-38k vs bf109 K4 of g-10
P38K should have the advantage in that matchup by a substantial margin.
Adam514 lol ik. Shits op
these r fun to do, i do these with my buddy every once in a while and its so fun... fun to watch too
Chridmill I agree!
10:58 wtf!!
Happens
It is at 2:55 that a rolling scissors is initiated. Though Rolling cylinder gets close, lol.
10:51 initiated into a flat scissors.
Rolling scissors is in the same plane though, while in this video we were rolling around each other to make a cylinder.
@@AdamTheEnginerd Don't remember reading that a Rolling Scissors had to be in the same plane, but..Whatever.
In typical scissors the aircraft cross each other.
@@AdamTheEnginerd At 10:51 you had started crossing each other. You crossed infront of the P38, which nearly ended the match. And tried to reverse the scissors on them. Which is the whole point of scissor. To get on the tail of the enemy. It's cited as a flat scissors.
10:51 I called it a rolling scissors, not a cylinder. That's my definition of a rolling scissors.
How do you do MEC in mouse aim? I can't figure it out, i can only access it with full real controls :(
You need to go in full real controls>engine controls and then bind a key to toggle MEC, and keys for radiators etc. Then switch back to mouse aim and by pressing your key to toggle MEC you can use radiators in mouse aim.
There are videos showing how to use MEC on TH-cam.
Adam514. Yupp. Thanks man i found em. Trying to learn your german air brake trick! But keep screwing my engine by over revving
You need to be at 0% throttle, and on anything other than 5.3 Bf109s, you can't do it at very high speeds for more than 2 seconds. So you need to burst it haha.
Awesome. Thanks man. I'm playing the g14AS. I just have a soft spot for that plane
Adam514, hey i just played a match in my G14AS, climbed to 7000m only to be met by a squad of 4 p47s. They took turns taking passes at me, now that i figured out the german airbrake i was able drag them all 4 low and my teammates did the rest! That's an awesome trick to have in the bag
That was some of the most entertaining dogfights I have seen so far
Yeah they were pretty interesting!
Hey Adam RobbiE here can you fly lf mk 9 and do a video? Love you master
Hey RobbiE! It's on my list!
Thanks for your love!
Adam514 how about the OP 229?
Haha I turn into a flying saucer more often than not! I'm flying it from time to time, nothing TH-cam worthy yet.
Fantastic flying, I love the 109.
Thanks mate! They are fun indeed with their tricks.
I know that Hans-Joachim Marseille loved turn-fighting the Spitfires in his Bf 109 F-4, and later G-2. How come he got so many victories :/
Its a scissor manouver lol not cylinder 😭
Haha it's not a scissor because we don't cross each other, we're rolling around each other.
That was legitness
Haha is that good?
Lol of course. It's a meme.
And still to this day you haven’t hit me up, Hmm, something bout EGO.
Wut?
It’s literally called scissor fighting. Smh lmfao
There are different types of scissors.
Amazing
Thanks man!
-700 thrust wtf
gg as always
Usually!
don't be too shy mate , u r a great pilot, if i see U in the air i'll give U plenty material for a video ;p
Haha thanks!
Gj! Thx man
Thanks, and my pleasure! Eventually I'll have a match with the G2 I'm sure.
Poor...
what about a p38l in the same scenario ?
Sarp Kaplan I think the fight would be much the same, except it would have a much easier time staying behind the 109 in any kind of scissors maneuver due to the dive recovery flaps which act like airbrakes.
It would be similar as dogeness said. The 109 would have to be on the lookout for whenever dive brakes are used, which would mean the 109 should go vertical. P38L has a lower Power/Weight ratio I think, so it might fare worse in the sustained low speed turnfight like in the end of the second clip.
It would actually be better. The L has boosted ailerons which means that it can snap roll like a 190. I stopped the video at 1:35 and counted at least 3 instances where if Dogeness had the boosted ailerons he would have had great shots on you rather than snap shots or near chances. Outside of the boosted ailerons the L is pretty much a J. Very minor weight increase for amazing roll. The L is the 38 to be taking hands down between the J and L as a result.
A few more things after stopping again. The dive recovery flaps don't work in game the way they did in real life. In real life they didn't slow down a P-38 at all. They only changed the geometry of the wing allowing air to flow over the elevator at very high speeds giving pitch control in very high speed dives. However the P-38 in game cant reach those very high speeds because its in game rip speed is the onset of compression in real life. That makes the dive flaps in game completely meaningless. A side effect of this is that in game the P-38 starts to compress at lower speeds than it did in real life. These 2 things are the major factors in preventing me from flying the P-38s the most by far of any aircraft in game. Or at least of any American fighter in game.
Also at 3:28 you were forced out of the rolling cylinder first technically however he did a very badly chosen flat turn back into you getting out of it keeping him in front of your 3-9 line allowing you to get around on him. Had he done a good displacement roll you would've been completely screwed. This however is just my observation. I wasn't there flying and this is rather meaningless to say as a result.
I want to clarify what I said in regards to the 3rd part above to avoid any potential misunderstanding. You couldn't have gone down again in the descending rolling scissors. You would have ended up in the drink. You had to go either vertical or horizontal when you got to the bottom of where you were at. I don't know if Dogeness didn't read this or just didn't realize it. Either way for some bizarre reason he decided to turn flat back into you when he should have gone vertical into a displacement roll. Turning flat into your opponent at the end of a rolling scissors when your the last one down is going to get you in front of the opposing fighter every time short of you having the much better maneuvering fighter.
I had a similar fight in the 38J against another 109. The only time I flew the J. Same descending spiral and at the bottom I knew that he couldn't go back down or he was going to end up in the dirt. Once I got my nose down I raised flaps and built up as much energy in my dive going back down underneath him and went into a big displacement roll. He couldn't follow and I had him below and in front of me. He however had a friend that saved his life.
That said flying the Helldivers as fighters the past 2 and a half weeks (still not using the gun pods) has really helped me in terms of reading opposing energy sates as well as understanding mine. Still don't recommend you do it unless you want to really derp around. Really hard to get more than 2 kills a match in them unless things really go right.
About dive recovery flaps, they certainly do increase drag. It may not be its primary purpose (just like combat flaps), but bluntly changing the airfoil shape from the clean form to one with the dive recovery flaps extended will increase drag. Since the P38 compresses a bit earlier than it should as you say, wouldn't then the dive recovery flaps still be useful? They do reduce pitch compression by 0.5G or so.
At 3:28 I think he was hoping that since I was coming out of a dive portion of the rolling cylinder, I'd have enough speed to overshoot, or not have time to get a shot. Not sure what you mean by displacement roll, but I think the aircraft which exited the rolling cylinder ahead and first was going to lose.
Lol Helldivers. I can't perform in them at all.
Can you do something with the BF-109 G10
Also it’s called rolling Scissors.
This video featuring the G10 wasn't enough? th-cam.com/video/vWKWUcdwCl0/w-d-xo.html
Rolling scissors is when both aircraft roll and then pitch towards each other. They stay in the same plane.
For the rolling cylinder, both aircraft were rolling and pitching towards the center axis of the cylinder, which was also towards the other, but they weren't staying in the same plane..
Thx for the info I’m kinda a noob!
My pleasure!
Enjoy the G10 video!
Haha iv already seen it and I’m just about to spade me G10. If you get some time I would love to squad up.
mec?
P-38 is one of those aircraft woth magic flaps
You need to be able to notice it!
its 'neck and neck'. you were lucky here that he didnt kill you in the first 10 seconds good fight though
Hmm when could he? 10s is pretty quick too.
Soo whats the true weakness of the 109's...? Well ironically the engine It self
Adrian Diaz
109s are interesting aircraft to face against because your strategy against them depends entirely on which model you’re facing and what plane you’re in. For example, the earlier variants, the Fs and Es, are pretty maneuverable and depending on what you’re flying you have to be careful, but the later variants (the G and K) become worse and worse turners - as evidenced by this very video in which a P-38J was pretty equal in a turning fight against the most maneuverable 109G (the G-2).
dogeness yes i know about that... But in any case there is gonna be always a conuter plane for the 109's for the Emils and Friederich is the french planes and the brithis ones... While the Gustavs is the americans and the brits and for the Kurfürst... Well... Right now is the worst posible 109 in game in my own experience...
I think every nation has a counter to every nation :P All planes have their advantages/disadvantages compared to each other
Germany is hard countered by the US-UK combo at current BRs. Italians counter UK decently so the situation has improved slightly.
wow someone actually looking for weakness of 109's?
Do you think the Bf-109G2 is well placed at 4.3? With MEC, do you have to control all elements of the engine, or can you just control supercharger and prop pitch and leave the mixture/radiator to the instructor?
Yeah it's okay for the BR.
Everything is automatic, so you can only take control of the rads if you want.
You have got 1 airbrake he has 2 that was probably the case
He also has double the mass, so it ends up cancelling out. Plus German prop pitch airbrake is more effective than any other.
Love my g2 trop with pods.not in this kind of fight ,but in general.
It used to be my favorite German aircraft 2 years ago. I do recommend loading gunpods to anyone who isn't awesome at aiming, the performance drop isn't severe.
Pods ruins the 109´s performance! Try to improve your aiming and leave the pods in the hangar! The secret is shoot as close as possible and use mg to shoot at long range!
Nando_Br g2 trop only with the pods. I usually climb to about 17000ft then work top to bottom, the k4 is a good one. I try it your way, and see how it goes....
Will be a little frustrating in the beginning but when u improve your aiming with only one cannon u´ll see how good an 109 can be!
Nando_Br the g2 is the only 1 I use the pods on, my aim is alright, I'm always in a hurry. Lol
Poor use of the 109, and the throttle
Any specific example?
Adam514 I don’t expect a 109 pilot immediately do a sharp left turn, and question, why didn’t you use landing flaps when you were stalling instead of combat or atleast take off
And that's good or bad?
Adam514 I consider it bad, excuse my French climbing or at least the same vertical maneuver that the P-38 did in the beginning and struggled with should have been the first plan of action and I say atleast the first plan of action, climbing and utilizing the climb rate and abusing it is the key
Example look at 1:35 this could have been avoided, Utilize flaps to their fullest extent when you can
How do you do that? The thing to make it slow down?