Fairy tales are NOT what many people have experienced when they are close to death. (or even dying) You Tube NDE's (Near Death Experiences) . Move on from your fairy tale limitations. They really are for children !
I agree with you on much of what you said, barring some details, but mainly I _don't_ care what anyone believes, only how they act. _This_ seems to me to be foundational to a secular society.
While I still think focusing on behavior is important for a secular society, it’s true that beliefs can shape the way people interact with others and make decisions that impact the masses. For this reason, challenging harmful beliefs or promoting critical thinking becomes important-not to control beliefs, but to minimize the negative consequences they might have when translated into action. It’s a nuanced balance between respecting personal freedom and protecting societal well-being.
@@paulthompson9668 And you need to demonstrate your unproven claim. Prove that any God exists. Scripture is not evidence. Anecdotal evidence is not evidence. Use tangible evidence to demonstrate your claim or your unproven claim is rejected due to lack of evidence.
This video must be made for Americans. Most of the Western World is quite secular and in most of the Western World the right of abortion is not much of a debate. Having lived in many Western Countries (but not the USA), I can truly say most people I meet are agnostic or atheists. I do not feel discriminated against and don't share the feelings portrait in this video. I agree with what you say but have not experienced any of what you're describing.
I don't care much if people believe in god except in the sense that I would rather live in a society where most people rely on logic and reason. The more "believers" there are, the more likely it is that public policy will be influenced by their beliefs and that is dangerous.
as a christian. i don't discriminate or treat people unequally. i have never seen a case like that in my life time (though i'm not saying it doesn't happen btw) and please have an opened mind and understand, we in our hearts care for you and want you to seek God because we love you and want you to be saved, we do not condemn you to hell because its not our job and we don't know your hearts so that wouldn't be fair to you. try putting yourself in the shoes of a christian, its not easy. imagine seeing your friend running towards a pit of fire just to be burned alive, and you try to tell him " THIS ISN'T SAFE! YOU'RE GONNA DIE !" but he doesn't listen. how would that make you feel? me, i would feel irresponsible if i didn't tell him. this is every day life for us, please think about this
Demonstrate that your God exists. Scripture is not evidence. Anecdotal evidence is not evidence. Present tangible evidence that can be measured, tested, analyzed or verified. Otherwise your unproven claim is rejected due to lack of evidence.
@@FreethinkerJourney this can be explained by one question. could nothing give life ? is it scientifically possible for the whole world to had been created out of literally nothing ?
@@FreethinkerJourney so with that being said you're not so sure about what you believe in. and this is why Christians hold their beliefs so tightly, because we know what the only logical answer could be, Life gives life. you and i are in a disagreement, we don't believe the same. i still have respect for you, and i want you to think about this discussion we had, its not a matter of who's wrong or who's right but what is the truth.
@@FreethinkerJourney so with that being said you're not so sure about what you believe in. and this is why Christians hold their beliefs so tightly, because we know what the only logical answer could be, Life gives life.
There is a distinction to be made, though the line is blurred. I don't care if people believe in gods. I believe the meaning of life is to give life meaning. I have no leg to stand on in dictating how anyone ought to do that. However, I do care about its influence on my society as well as the `indoctrination machine` that perpetuates it. However, while I acknowledge that distinction, it IS blurred because how does one separate what you believe, from how you behave, or what you advocate for or against? In the end, it `is` an important distinction from a philosophical point of view, but somewhat meaningless in the practical sense of how we live our everyday lives.
You're raising a great question. The challenge lies in the fact that beliefs don't exist in isolation-they inevitably influence actions, even if indirectly. Philosophically, it's crucial to recognize the distinction between belief and behavior, as it allows for respect of individual thought. Practically, though, as you point out, that line gets blurred because belief informs values, and values guide actions, which then ripple into society. Maybe the key is in examining the intent and impact. While a belief might be personal, when it shapes advocacy or action that affects others, it crosses into the societal realm, where accountability matters. The blurred line becomes a space for dialogue-asking not just what someone believes, but how those beliefs manifest in behavior and their broader consequences. So, perhaps the real work lies in how we navigate that space with awareness and care. How do you think society could better engage with that complexity?
@@FreethinkerJourneyI believe it would require the majority to be willing to enter into those discussions with the mind set of "maybe I'm wrong," vs "I'm right! You're wrong." A lot easier said than done, however, especially if one of the main tenets of your worldview is to not doubt. To be `confident in your faith,` so to speak. Quite frankly, it's kind of difficult to have a discussion about a behavior, for example, when the person you're talking to simply says "God said so!" A false appeal to authority is no way to start. 🫤 Though, I do think you're on the right track, and I believe the effort is well worth it for everyone.
Try living outside the United States. All that you have said above will not be the case. Even in the US, when was the last time a religious law held you, personally, back? Why are you sick of seeing religious advertising but are OK with alcohol, gambling and other commercial advertising?
Your statement conflates two separate issues: the imposition of religious beliefs through law and the presence of advertising in public spaces. Let me address these points directly. First, religious laws may not impact every individual personally, but they have historically shaped policies that affect broad swaths of the population, particularly in areas like reproductive rights, LGBTQ+ rights, and education. Just because someone hasn’t been personally affected doesn’t mean others haven’t faced discrimination or restrictions. The principle of secular governance ensures that laws apply equally to everyone, regardless of belief. Second, comparing religious advertising to alcohol or gambling ads misses a key distinction: one is promoting a worldview, while the others are promoting consumable products. People have the right to advertise their beliefs, but when religious messaging dominates, especially in public spaces or government institutions, it can feel exclusionary to those who don’t share those views. A secular society provides a neutral space where no belief system-religious or otherwise-is given undue prominence. Ultimately, the issue isn’t about disliking religious advertising or wanting to suppress religious expression. It’s about ensuring that public spaces and policies remain neutral and inclusive, respecting the diverse beliefs of all individuals.
@@FreethinkerJourney Just dry theory. Here in Sydney, Australia the legislation is definitely in the atheists' favour. Abortion is on demand and staying that way. Protesting outside an abortion clinic is illegal. Euthanasia is legal. Gay marriage is legal. Apart from clergy, refusal to participate in a gay marriage is illegal. So called conversion therapy is illegal. In a democratic society, there is a diversity of belief. If you disagree, turn away. I believe alcohol, tobacco and gambling is of the Devil. So I turn away. Can't you? Or does the world have to revolve around you?
Quran 88:21-22 So remind them (O Muhammad) - you are only one who reminds. You are not a dictator over them. ---- Believe whatever you want to belive dear atheist brothers and sisters. This 1500 years old book guarantees complete freedom of religion and complete freedom of speech even against itself. The problem is the moment you'll wake up from the illusion of the time dimension and see that you dishonor your contract with your Creator.
You’re quoting a verse from the Quran, but all you’ve done is restate a religious belief, not provide evidence that supports the existence of a Creator. Just because a text says something, doesn’t make it true. Religious scriptures, whether from the Quran, the Bible, or any other text, are works of human origin, reflecting the beliefs of those who wrote them-not evidence of a divine being. You’re appealing to authority here, assuming that quoting religious scripture automatically settles the matter, but that’s not how truth works. If I’m supposed to believe in a Creator, I need more than just a verse that tells me to do so. You accuse me of dishonoring my contract with a Creator, but where is the evidence that such a Creator even exists? Why should I accept this idea just because a text claims it? If we’re talking about honoring contracts, then let’s have an actual discussion about what that contract is based on-an objective standard of evidence, not just appeals to faith. Without verifiable evidence, all you’ve got is a book full of stories, not a compelling case for a Creator’s existence. The freedom of belief you’re speaking about should also extend to the freedom to critically examine those beliefs, which you’re clearly not doing here. You’re just regurgitating scripture without actually defending the existence of the Creator it claims.
@FreethinkerJourney My comment wasn't about proving a Creator. It was a reply to what this video is claiming that ancient books are not good for our time. The Quran guarantees complete freedom of religion and complete freedom of speech even against itself. Disprove what i said and i will leave Islam and become an atheist. Proving the existence of a Creator, which I can by the way, is a completely different topic. As for your contract, then it's very simple. Look at the universe and yourself, believe in a Creator and do whatever you can to improve and not to destroy on this temporary design. Our temporary life here is just a test which we agreed to it. The moment we leave it's eternity according to our choices here.
@@QuranLogicScienceYou have the burden of proof for being a theist. You’re the one making the positive claim for the existence of a God. I don’t have the burden of proof. I don’t have to convince you of anything since I’m not the one making a positive claim.
@FreethinkerJourney I think I was very clear that I wasn't talking about proving God. All I'm saying that Quran invalidate the argument of this video about freedom of speech and freedom of religion. You're talking about a different topic completely. Obviously you can't disprove what I said
Why not care about something that hurts us more? Dark money in elections, tribalism in politics, billionaire tax dodgers? Find something else for your whole life to be about.
I can walk and chew gum at the same time. I can be concerned about more than 1 thing. I don't see why you appear to have an issue with what I am doing.
You’re right-atheist broadly means non-theist. It’s not necessarily about claiming no gods exist but simply about not holding a belief in any deities due to a lack of verifiable evidence of its existence. That broader definition captures the essence of atheism as more about a lack of theistic belief rather than a definitive stance against it.
I understand where you're coming from, and I agree that everyone has the right to hold their own beliefs. The issue arises, however, when beliefs, whether religious or not, influence actions that impact others. If someone's belief system leads them to act in ways that affect society-whether through voting, policies, or interactions with others-those actions can't be isolated from the beliefs behind them. For example, if someone’s belief leads them to support policies that harm vulnerable groups or restrict personal freedoms, then that belief is no longer just personal. It affects the broader community. It’s not about “pushing” beliefs on anyone, but rather recognizing that our beliefs can shape the world around us. We all live in a shared society, so it’s essential to be mindful of how our individual convictions can influence collective decisions. The freedom to believe is important, but so is the responsibility to ensure that our actions reflect values that promote fairness, equality, and compassion. The line is about balance-respecting others' right to their beliefs while ensuring those beliefs don’t harm others or limit their freedoms.
@@FreethinkerJourney All of that is the pitfall of living in a democracy, now while it is proposed that we are a representative republic, with the exception of the President all elected officials are elected by majority rule. It is up to us , the people to ensure that all are protected under our constitution
@@Pmrace1960 You need to be incredibly arrogant to deny that there is no God, even more so to criticise those who say otherwise. I've yet to talk to an atheist that does not believe in evolution. If evolution is true then, we are simply programmed to believe and behave according to the way we have evolved. So the murderer is no worse than a doctor and the scammer just being smarter than the victim of the scam. You can probably surmise that I'm not an atheist..............
Cool. My God says I am allowed to take you as a slave, and I'm getting into office soon. When I, and all those that believe in the same God I do, begin crafting laws that subvert the laws that currently don't allow me to take anyone as a slave, you will be taken as my slave. And it'll be easy to do, since you don't care about what I and all like me believe!
Leave ancient fairytales out of laws, government etc.
I completely agree!
Fairy tales are NOT what many people have experienced when they are close to death. (or even dying)
You Tube NDE's (Near Death Experiences) . Move on from your fairy tale limitations. They really are for children !
I find it astonishing how religion has such a grip on America. 🇬🇧 🇪🇺
Yes, it's astonishing and disturbing.
It ain't religion holding the reins, it's money. Religion is a whip that money uses to work its will.
@ Religious leaders use money to stay in power rather than getting their hands dirty doing proper jobs.
It's sickening. Christians are vile, hateful, racist and sexist monsters.
I agree with you on much of what you said, barring some details, but mainly I _don't_ care what anyone believes, only how they act. _This_ seems to me to be foundational to a secular society.
While I still think focusing on behavior is important for a secular society, it’s true that beliefs can shape the way people interact with others and make decisions that impact the masses. For this reason, challenging harmful beliefs or promoting critical thinking becomes important-not to control beliefs, but to minimize the negative consequences they might have when translated into action. It’s a nuanced balance between respecting personal freedom and protecting societal well-being.
@@FreethinkerJourney You need to get on your hands and knees and pray for the Holy Spirit to fill you up.
@@paulthompson9668 And you need to demonstrate your unproven claim. Prove that any God exists. Scripture is not evidence. Anecdotal evidence is not evidence. Use tangible evidence to demonstrate your claim or your unproven claim is rejected due to lack of evidence.
@@paulthompson9668
Why? should get my knees dirty for a lie you just made?
@@FreethinkerJourneyExtraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, Carl Sagan
This video must be made for Americans. Most of the Western World is quite secular and in most of the Western World the right of abortion is not much of a debate. Having lived in many Western Countries (but not the USA), I can truly say most people I meet are agnostic or atheists. I do not feel discriminated against and don't share the feelings portrait in this video. I agree with what you say but have not experienced any of what you're describing.
Here in Australia, people couldn't careless if you believe a sky magic man or not. Same in most of Europe.
I care because utter nonsense gets legislated via these repulsive worldviews
i think in 50 years christianity will be dead but sadly i have a feeling islam will still be going strong...
Exactly.
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It is not only predatory, but very annoying.
@@maylingng4107 absolutely!
I don't care much if people believe in god except in the sense that I would rather live in a society where most people rely on logic and reason. The more "believers" there are, the more likely it is that public policy will be influenced by their beliefs and that is dangerous.
I agree.
as a christian. i don't discriminate or treat people unequally. i have never seen a case like that in my life time (though i'm not saying it doesn't happen btw) and please have an opened mind and understand, we in our hearts care for you and want you to seek God because we love you and want you to be saved, we do not condemn you to hell because its not our job and we don't know your hearts so that wouldn't be fair to you. try putting yourself in the shoes of a christian, its not easy. imagine seeing your friend running towards a pit of fire just to be burned alive, and you try to tell him " THIS ISN'T SAFE! YOU'RE GONNA DIE !" but he doesn't listen. how would that make you feel? me, i would feel irresponsible if i didn't tell him. this is every day life for us, please think about this
Demonstrate that your God exists. Scripture is not evidence. Anecdotal evidence is not evidence. Present tangible evidence that can be measured, tested, analyzed or verified. Otherwise your unproven claim is rejected due to lack of evidence.
@@FreethinkerJourney this can be explained by one question. could nothing give life ? is it scientifically possible for the whole world to had been created out of literally nothing ?
@@YSNostalgia The answer is we don't know, but that does not mean "Therefore God." That would be a non-sequitur fallacy.
@@FreethinkerJourney so with that being said you're not so sure about what you believe in. and this is why Christians hold their beliefs so tightly, because we know what the only logical answer could be, Life gives life. you and i are in a disagreement, we don't believe the same. i still have respect for you, and i want you to think about this discussion we had, its not a matter of who's wrong or who's right but what is the truth.
@@FreethinkerJourney so with that being said you're not so sure about what you believe in. and this is why Christians hold their beliefs so tightly, because we know what the only logical answer could be, Life gives life.
Even Cricket isn't Cricket any more. But I largely agree with what was said.
I appreciate your feedback. Thanks!
There is a distinction to be made, though the line is blurred. I don't care if people believe in gods. I believe the meaning of life is to give life meaning. I have no leg to stand on in dictating how anyone ought to do that. However, I do care about its influence on my society as well as the `indoctrination machine` that perpetuates it. However, while I acknowledge that distinction, it IS blurred because how does one separate what you believe, from how you behave, or what you advocate for or against? In the end, it `is` an important distinction from a philosophical point of view, but somewhat meaningless in the practical sense of how we live our everyday lives.
You're raising a great question. The challenge lies in the fact that beliefs don't exist in isolation-they inevitably influence actions, even if indirectly. Philosophically, it's crucial to recognize the distinction between belief and behavior, as it allows for respect of individual thought. Practically, though, as you point out, that line gets blurred because belief informs values, and values guide actions, which then ripple into society.
Maybe the key is in examining the intent and impact. While a belief might be personal, when it shapes advocacy or action that affects others, it crosses into the societal realm, where accountability matters. The blurred line becomes a space for dialogue-asking not just what someone believes, but how those beliefs manifest in behavior and their broader consequences. So, perhaps the real work lies in how we navigate that space with awareness and care. How do you think society could better engage with that complexity?
@@FreethinkerJourneyI believe it would require the majority to be willing to enter into those discussions with the mind set of "maybe I'm wrong," vs "I'm right! You're wrong." A lot easier said than done, however, especially if one of the main tenets of your worldview is to not doubt. To be `confident in your faith,` so to speak. Quite frankly, it's kind of difficult to have a discussion about a behavior, for example, when the person you're talking to simply says "God said so!" A false appeal to authority is no way to start. 🫤 Though, I do think you're on the right track, and I believe the effort is well worth it for everyone.
Try living outside the United States. All that you have said above will not be the case. Even in the US, when was the last time a religious law held you, personally, back? Why are you sick of seeing religious advertising but are OK with alcohol, gambling and other commercial advertising?
Your statement conflates two separate issues: the imposition of religious beliefs through law and the presence of advertising in public spaces. Let me address these points directly.
First, religious laws may not impact every individual personally, but they have historically shaped policies that affect broad swaths of the population, particularly in areas like reproductive rights, LGBTQ+ rights, and education. Just because someone hasn’t been personally affected doesn’t mean others haven’t faced discrimination or restrictions. The principle of secular governance ensures that laws apply equally to everyone, regardless of belief.
Second, comparing religious advertising to alcohol or gambling ads misses a key distinction: one is promoting a worldview, while the others are promoting consumable products. People have the right to advertise their beliefs, but when religious messaging dominates, especially in public spaces or government institutions, it can feel exclusionary to those who don’t share those views. A secular society provides a neutral space where no belief system-religious or otherwise-is given undue prominence.
Ultimately, the issue isn’t about disliking religious advertising or wanting to suppress religious expression. It’s about ensuring that public spaces and policies remain neutral and inclusive, respecting the diverse beliefs of all individuals.
@@FreethinkerJourney Just dry theory. Here in Sydney, Australia the legislation is definitely in the atheists' favour. Abortion is on demand and staying that way. Protesting outside an abortion clinic is illegal. Euthanasia is legal. Gay marriage is legal. Apart from clergy, refusal to participate in a gay marriage is illegal. So called conversion therapy is illegal.
In a democratic society, there is a diversity of belief. If you disagree, turn away. I believe alcohol, tobacco and gambling is of the Devil. So I turn away. Can't you? Or does the world have to revolve around you?
Quran 88:21-22 So remind them (O Muhammad) - you are only one who reminds. You are not a dictator over them.
----
Believe whatever you want to belive dear atheist brothers and sisters. This 1500 years old book guarantees complete freedom of religion and complete freedom of speech even against itself. The problem is the moment you'll wake up from the illusion of the time dimension and see that you dishonor your contract with your Creator.
You’re quoting a verse from the Quran, but all you’ve done is restate a religious belief, not provide evidence that supports the existence of a Creator. Just because a text says something, doesn’t make it true. Religious scriptures, whether from the Quran, the Bible, or any other text, are works of human origin, reflecting the beliefs of those who wrote them-not evidence of a divine being. You’re appealing to authority here, assuming that quoting religious scripture automatically settles the matter, but that’s not how truth works. If I’m supposed to believe in a Creator, I need more than just a verse that tells me to do so.
You accuse me of dishonoring my contract with a Creator, but where is the evidence that such a Creator even exists? Why should I accept this idea just because a text claims it? If we’re talking about honoring contracts, then let’s have an actual discussion about what that contract is based on-an objective standard of evidence, not just appeals to faith. Without verifiable evidence, all you’ve got is a book full of stories, not a compelling case for a Creator’s existence. The freedom of belief you’re speaking about should also extend to the freedom to critically examine those beliefs, which you’re clearly not doing here.
You’re just regurgitating scripture without actually defending the existence of the Creator it claims.
@FreethinkerJourney
My comment wasn't about proving a Creator. It was a reply to what this video is claiming that ancient books are not good for our time. The Quran guarantees complete freedom of religion and complete freedom of speech even against itself. Disprove what i said and i will leave Islam and become an atheist. Proving the existence of a Creator, which I can by the way, is a completely different topic. As for your contract, then it's very simple. Look at the universe and yourself, believe in a Creator and do whatever you can to improve and not to destroy on this temporary design. Our temporary life here is just a test which we agreed to it. The moment we leave it's eternity according to our choices here.
@@QuranLogicScienceYou have the burden of proof for being a theist. You’re the one making the positive claim for the existence of a God. I don’t have the burden of proof. I don’t have to convince you of anything since I’m not the one making a positive claim.
@FreethinkerJourney
I think I was very clear that I wasn't talking about proving God. All I'm saying that Quran invalidate the argument of this video about freedom of speech and freedom of religion. You're talking about a different topic completely. Obviously you can't disprove what I said
Why not care about something that hurts us more? Dark money in elections, tribalism in politics, billionaire tax dodgers? Find something else for your whole life to be about.
I can walk and chew gum at the same time. I can be concerned about more than 1 thing. I don't see why you appear to have an issue with what I am doing.
atheist broadly already means "non-theist."
You’re right-atheist broadly means non-theist. It’s not necessarily about claiming no gods exist but simply about not holding a belief in any deities due to a lack of verifiable evidence of its existence. That broader definition captures the essence of atheism as more about a lack of theistic belief rather than a definitive stance against it.
In the slightest way, that's wrong "atheist" comes from the latin "theist" (god-believing) and "a" meaning opposing/against
@TeaIsGreatTeaIsGood a doesn't mean opposing. that's "anti." the prefix "a" means "lack of."
Your belief in anything is yours and yours alone unless you try to push your beliefs on anyone else.
I understand where you're coming from, and I agree that everyone has the right to hold their own beliefs. The issue arises, however, when beliefs, whether religious or not, influence actions that impact others. If someone's belief system leads them to act in ways that affect society-whether through voting, policies, or interactions with others-those actions can't be isolated from the beliefs behind them.
For example, if someone’s belief leads them to support policies that harm vulnerable groups or restrict personal freedoms, then that belief is no longer just personal. It affects the broader community. It’s not about “pushing” beliefs on anyone, but rather recognizing that our beliefs can shape the world around us. We all live in a shared society, so it’s essential to be mindful of how our individual convictions can influence collective decisions.
The freedom to believe is important, but so is the responsibility to ensure that our actions reflect values that promote fairness, equality, and compassion. The line is about balance-respecting others' right to their beliefs while ensuring those beliefs don’t harm others or limit their freedoms.
@@FreethinkerJourney All of that is the pitfall of living in a democracy, now while it is proposed that we are a representative republic, with the exception of the President all elected officials are elected by majority rule. It is up to us , the people to ensure that all are protected under our constitution
For god's sake, stop saying "for god's sake"
Noted.
Can I still say god damnit 😂
I only default because I can't find Pete.
can i still say good bye? ( God be with you)
@@MrRillin Certainly not!
Sometimes atheists can be so cringy...
but right...
@@Pmrace1960 absolutely!
@@FreethinkerJourney yeah, exactly that stupid attitude XD.
@@Pmrace1960 You need to be incredibly arrogant to deny that there is no God, even more so to criticise those who say otherwise. I've yet to talk to an atheist that does not believe in evolution. If evolution is true then, we are simply programmed to believe and behave according to the way we have evolved. So the murderer is no worse than a doctor and the scammer just being smarter than the victim of the scam.
You can probably surmise that I'm not an atheist..............
@@Pmrace1960 or wrong...
I don't care if anyone believes in the Almighty God... None of my business what other people believe.
It becomes everyone's business when those beliefs are used as a guide for people in power to make decisions and drive actions that stem from a belief.
I don't appreciate them knocking on my door wanting to save me
@@FreethinkerJourneyexactly. Keep religion out of our laws.
Cool. My God says I am allowed to take you as a slave, and I'm getting into office soon. When I, and all those that believe in the same God I do, begin crafting laws that subvert the laws that currently don't allow me to take anyone as a slave, you will be taken as my slave.
And it'll be easy to do, since you don't care about what I and all like me believe!
religion is man's worst invention bar none..and for people to say religion has done good things...what and when